"Better to die than to remain crippled." Mortal Wound of Prince Bagration

"Better to die than to remain crippled." Mortal Wound of Prince Bagration
Injury of Prince Bagration. Source: 1812.nsad.ru


The last battle of the prince


In the war with Napoleon, Prince Peter Ivanovich Bagration, general of infantry, commanded the 2nd Western Army, which was located on the left flank of the Russian troops on the Borodino field on September 7, 1812 (hereinafter, the dates will be in a new style). The center of all the events of that day was Semenov flashes, which became the object of constant attacks by the detachments of Napoleonic marshals Davout and Ney. It was here, in the midst of the battle, that General Bagration was located. He led the counterattack of units of the 8th Infantry, 4th Cavalry Corps and 2nd Cuirassier Division. At about 12 noon, the prince was injured in his left leg. The first few moments, he rests on his horse, but then falls - he was barely able to be picked up by close officers. Eyewitnesses describe the first minutes after being injured:

“... a face osmugilnoy powder, pale, but calm. Someone was holding him behind, clasping with both hands. People around him saw him, as if having forgotten a terrible pain, silently peering into the distance and as if listening to the roar of the battle. "



Source: EditionNews surgery "

It should be noted that Bagration’s wound was not fatal - it was a fragment of a “repaired” projectile that damaged one of the tibia bones (it is not known which one) in the lower leg region. "Chinenka" in those days was called an artillery shell filled with gunpowder, which became the prototype of modern fragmentation munitions. A distinctive feature of the “chine” was the high kinetic energy of the fragments, which exceeded the energy of a lead bullet at close range. As a result, the situation in which the general found himself was close to disaster. Around was not just a battle, but a real bloody battle - the French artillery and rifle weapons how could they restrain the Russian counterattack. At the same time, Russian artillery intensively supported their advancing units, sometimes not having time to transfer fire after the attack - Russian units often suffered from friendly strikes. At the time of the general’s wound, the battle lasted at least five hours, and the Russian troops already had sensitive losses. The 2nd combined grenadier division of Major General Vorontsov and the 27th infantry division of Major General Neverovsky turned out to be practically destroyed. By noon, everything around the Semenovskaya flush was littered with corpses and wounded, and the site itself was fired by 400 French guns and 300 Russian guns. From this meat grinder, the wounded Bagration is evacuated to the "sole of the Semenov height", that is, to a relatively safe place. The main problem at the same time was the search for a doctor. Two hours earlier, the chief physician of the 2nd Western Army, Gangart, was concussed (the core fell into the horse’s chest) and was taken to the 1st line hospital in Mozhaisk. The doctor was not in the nearest units, since they were, in fact, almost completely destroyed. To help the distressed left flank of the Russian army, Kutuzov put forward the Guards Finland, Izmailovsky and Lithuanian regiments. It was in the Lithuanian Life Guards Regiment for Bagration that the doctor Yakov Govorov was found, who later on published in 1815 about the tragic epic of the general’s unsuccessful treatment to publish the book “The Last Days of the Life of Prince Peter Ivanovich Bagration”.




Source: bibliokhronika.ru

According to all the rules of field surgery of that time, Govorov probes the wound, detects bone damage and applies a simple dressing. Let us clarify here that a simple regimental doctor could not produce any immobilization of a wounded limb, since there were no elementary devices for this. Decades later, Govorov was accused of erroneous actions on the “sole of the Semenov height”, which led to the aggravation of a fracture of the tibia of the left leg of Bagration. After this, the prince, according to one version, is evacuated to the nearest dressing station of the Lithuanian regiment, where he is already occupied by Jacob Willie himself, His Excellency the chief medical officer in the army. It was this man who determined the main paths for the development of military medicine in Russia both before the war and during hostilities. Therefore, there is no doubt in his actions. According to one version, already at the dressing station of the Life Guards of the Lithuanian Regiment, Bagration was offered a speedy amputation, but the answer was categorical:

"... it is better to die than to remain crippled."

According to another version, Villier made the dressing not at all in the Lithuanian regiment, but at the dressing station in the area of ​​the Psarevsky Forest - this is three kilometers from the site of the wound.

About what happened in similar medical centers during the Borodino battle, an eyewitness I. T. Radozhitsky writes in “Travel notes of the artilleryman from 1812 to 1816”:

“The cutters washed the wound, from which meat hung in shreds and a sharp piece of bone was visible. The operator took out a crooked knife from a drawer, rolled up his sleeves to the elbow, then quietly approached the injured hand, grabbed it and so deftly turned the knife above the shreds that they instantly fell away. Tutolmin cried out and began to groan; the surgeons spoke in order to drown it out with their noise, and with hooks in their hands rushed to catch veins of fresh meat in their hands; they pulled and held them, meanwhile, the operator began to cut the bone. This caused, apparently, terrible pain: Tutolmin, shuddering, groaned and, suffering torment, seemed exhausted to fainting; he was often sprayed with cold water and allowed to smell alcohol. Sawing off the bone, they picked up the veins in one bundle and tightened the cut-off place with genuine leather, which was left and trimmed for this; then they sewed it up with silk, put a compress on it, tied it up with bandages - and that ended the operation. ”

Under approximately such conditions, the chief physician of the Russian army conducted a second examination of Bagration’s wound and dressing. During the procedure, Willie found out that the wound is severe, the tibia is damaged, the patient himself is in serious condition. During the examination, the healer even took out a fragment of the tibia. At the same time, Willie erroneously suggested the bullet nature of the wound, and this seriously complicated further treatment. The fact is that the doctors in the Russian army at that time did not try to amputate the wounded limbs in the very first moments - conservative treatment was in use. And the bullet in the course of suppuration of the wound often just went outside. Obviously, this was calculated in the further treatment of Bagration - to wait a few days until the pus removes the bullet from the wound. Although, according to some sources, the prince was still offered amputation. However, Willie, as we already know, was mistaken - the wound was not a bullet.

Evacuation


While medical work was ongoing with the wounded Bagration, the situation on the left flank did not develop in the best way. Both sides are introducing into the battle more and more reserves, which perish in a short time, dotting the battlefields with the bodies of the dead and the groans of the wounded. So, the Lithuanian regiment mentioned above, together with Izmailovsky, for some time were generally surrounded by the French and barely had time to repulse the attacks. The Lithuanian regiment lost 1740 out of 956 personnel in just one hour ... In addition, the absence of Bagration caused a management collapse, since almost simultaneously with it, due to severe shell shock, the chief of staff of the 2nd Western Army Major General E. F. Saint Prix. Kutuzov first appoints the commander of the Duke A.F. Württemberg, but then transfers the reins to General D.S. Dokhturov, but at that time he was too far from the village of Semenovskaya. Therefore, the commander of the 3rd Infantry Division P.P. Konovnitsyn, who recalled the minutes of that battle, remained elder.

“There are a lot of wounded and killed ... Clouds were wounded in the chest. Tuchkov Alexander is killed ... Ushakov’s leg is torn off. Driesen is injured. "Richter, too ... My division is almost nonexistent ... Hardly a thousand people will be considered."

As a result, the situation on the left flank was catastrophic - the battle formations of the 2nd Western Army were crushed and provided only focal resistance. M. B. Barclay de Tolly (incidentally, Bagration’s foe) recalled those watches on September 7:

“The second army, in the absence of the wounded Prince Bagration and many generals, was overturned in great disorder, all the fortifications with part of the batteries went to the enemy. ... The infantry was scattered in small heaps, already stopped at the main apartment on the Mozhaiskaya road; three guards regiments retreated in a hefty structure and were approaching other guards regiments ... "

In general, in the first hours after Bagration’s wound, they didn’t manage to carry out all the necessary procedures after being wounded for a banal reason - the enemy could burst into the location of the dressing point any minute and capture the illustrious commander. But this could not be allowed. That is why Jacob Willieu did not expand the wound with a scalpel, as his own "Brief Instructions on the Most Important Surgical Operations" demanded, and did not remove the fragment of the shell. In addition, Bagration at that time was in a state of severe traumatic shock - constant multi-kilometer movements across the battlefield and serious blood loss affected it.

In the publication Surgery News, the authors S. A. Sushkov, Yu. S. Nebylitsyn, E. N. Reutskaya and A. N. Cancer in the article “Difficult Patient. Injured Peter Ivanovich Bagration” analyze in detail the clinical manifestations of the general’s wound in the first hours . Immediately after being wounded, Bagration loses consciousness from pain, then comes to his senses on the “Semenovsky sole” and even tries to lead the battle, and already at the dressing he is inhibited and depressed. This is a typical picture of a traumatic shock with which Villier and Govorov were certainly familiar. They made at that time the only right decision - not to carry out serious surgical intervention and prepare the general for evacuation as soon as possible. At the same time, many specialists blame doctors for the lack of immobilization of the wounded limb in Bagration, despite the fact that in each dressing station there were

“Ready-made devices for bandaging fractures and after surgery, all kinds of dressings, except bandages, head, chest, abdominal, shoulder, as well as surgical instruments, plasters, the necessary ointments, lotions, splints, silk, etc.”

Allegedly, this was the reason for the further complication of the wound - a complete fracture of the tibia. No source has written about the imposition of fixing pubes on the leg of Bagration, and there may be several reasons for this. Firstly, the doctors obviously decided not to pay attention to the fact of immobilization for granted, and, secondly, the methods for fixing broken limbs at the beginning of the XNUMXth century were far from ideal and completely allowed bone displacement during transportation.


Monument to Prince Bagration in the parish of the Church of Dmitry Solunsky in the city of Sim. Source: wikipedia.org

Be that as it may, the wounded Bagation was put into a carriage and evacuated to the Mozhaisk mobile hospital of the 1st line in a hurry. September 8, a day after being wounded, the general writes to Alexander I from his temporary haven:

“Although, the most gracious sovereign, in the case of the 26th I was not quite easily wounded in the left leg with a bullet with fragmentation of the bone; but I have no regrets about this, being always ready to sacrifice the last drop of my blood to defend the Fatherland and the August throne; it’s extremely unfortunate, however, that I, at this crucial time, remain unable to continue to show my services ... ”


To be continued ...

Based on materials of: publications: “Surgery News”, “Clinical Medicine”, Y. I. Govorov’s books “The Last Days of the Life of Prince Peter Ivanovich Bagration,” M. Davydov’s article “Was the Wound Fatal” in the journal Science and Life No. 9 for 2012 and the books of I. Radozhitsky "Campaign notes of the artilleryman from 1812 to 1816."
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  1. WILL 12 March 2020 18: 03 New
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    Thanks to the Author for the article on the Most Honorable Russian Commander (of Georgian origin)!
    We remember Peter Ivanovich Bagration, by the way, one of the most daring and successful operations of the Second World War - named after him, Operation Bagration!
    1. Olgovich 13 March 2020 09: 32 New
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      one of the most daring and successful operations of the Second World War - named after him, Operation Bagration!

      it’s important to remember also WHAT did with Bagration then the authorities to the 120th anniversary of his death and the anniversary of OB 1812-in a normal head, this just does not fit .....
      1. ccsr 13 March 2020 13: 16 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        it is also important to remember what the then authorities did to Bagration on the occasion of the 120th anniversary of his death and the anniversary of OV 1812 - this simply does not fit into a normal head .....

        It’s incomprehensible to me what your head does not fit into, but that’s what the Soviet government saved for posterity

        1. Olgovich 13 March 2020 14: 17 New
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          Quote: ccsr
          Quote: Olgovich
          it is also important to remember what the then authorities did to Bagration on the occasion of the 120th anniversary of his death and the anniversary of OV 1812 - this simply does not fit into a normal head .....

          What you don’t fit in my head is not clear to me, but here’s what saved for descendants of the Soviet government


          belay Aren't you ashamed at all? request

          HOW can this be written after ALL that the photo was EXPLODED in 1932and Bagration’s bones were scattered around the road for fun for dogs?

          This is all-NEWLY, and the coffin of Bagration-EMPTY.

          shame .....
          1. ccsr 13 March 2020 18: 27 New
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            Quote: Olgovich
            This is all-NEWLY, and the coffin of Bagration-EMPTY.

            shame .....

            You are lying, as always, and I have not been surprised at this for a long time:
            Archaeologist Morev spoke in detail about what preceded the second burial of the famous commander.
            - In 1985, working on the Raevsky’s former battery, I discovered the ruins of a Bagration crypt littered with land and all kinds of rubbish. It was here that they managed to find fragments of the remains of the glorious general. The soldiers assigned to help me were imbued with the responsibility of the business entrusted to them and acted very carefully. They sorted the soil from the excavation literally at their fingertips ... In two months of painstaking work, we removed 4 buttons, scraps of old uniform cloth, fragments of an epaulet, scraps of leather straps from the garbage ... And most importantly, bone fragments: small pieces of the skull, ribs, hands, vertebrae. All our findings would fit in the palms of an adult.
            Evgeny Morev took the collected remains to the capital. The archaeologist hoped to conduct their examination. But money for such work was not provided for in the estimate. So even the legendary hero’s ashes had to be transported in the most primitive way: in a backpack thrown on the luggage rack of a commuter train. Then the Borodino finds for a long time lay in Morev’s office, waiting in the wings. Alas! In those difficult years, no one was eager to study the remains of the tsarist general. Everyone simply dismissed the persistent enthusiastic archaeologist, and after several months of fruitless attempts, Evgeny Ivanovich returned the Bagration dust to Borodino.
            - During the general’s repeated burial on the Borodino field, the remains we found were sewn up in a silk bag, which we put in a coffin. Of course, this bag turned out to be very small, and therefore it is not surprising that Ivan Fedorovich Laptev might not have noticed it, ”Morev recalls. “In addition, a capsule-sleeve was placed in the grave, in which they sealed a copy of the act of excavations and finds made.
            The very process of interredting the long-suffering ashes of the Russian general was carried out in working order. In addition to the soldiers brought by Colonel Laptev, only employees of the Borodino Museum and builders involved in the restoration of the crypt and monument were present at the funeral.
            The opening of the main monument, which took place a couple of weeks later, and dedicated to the 175th anniversary of the battle, was much more magnificent. Crowds of people, ceremonial ranks of troops, fireworks ... Army generals, leaders of the region and the district specially arrived in Borodino. The event was honored by the presence of even one of the secretaries of the CPSU Central Committee.
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              1. ccsr 14 March 2020 14: 55 New
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                Quote: Olgovich
                This is all-NOT BLASTED, a liar and an ignoramus ?!

                You're lying, as always, verbiage - it wasn't a crypt that blew up, which only suffered from an incorrectly calculated explosion:
                And the majestic monument over the grave of the commander became for "officials from proletarian culture" in an ordinary building made of cast iron, which should immediately be handed over for remelting ...
                Breaking - not building. With the help of dynamite, the main monument of the Borodino memorial on the former Raevsky battery was turned into a pile of debris. At the same time, the nearby crypt of Bagration was damaged, so that the remains of the prince were mercilessly thrown out by the explosion from there.

                I consider this a great stupidity, but do not ascribe to the Bolsheviks that they specifically destroyed the grave of Bagration.
                Quote: Olgovich
                The examinations of the fragments of Morev’s bones are NOT DONE, whose dogs they are or even whose nobody knows.

                And how were you going to determine the DNA at that time and with what to compare?
                Quote: Olgovich
                During the reburial, I managed to see the contents of the coffin - it was completely empty ... "

                Morev refutes this, because he himself laid the remains in the grave. Why should I not believe him?
                1. Olgovich 14 March 2020 16: 23 New
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                  Quote: ccsr
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  This is all-NOT BLASTED, a liar and an ignoramus ?!

                  You're lying, as always, verbiage - it wasn't a crypt that blew up, which only suffered from an incorrectly calculated explosion:
                  And the majestic monument over the grave of the commander became for "officials from proletarian culture" in an ordinary building made of cast iron, which should immediately be handed over for remelting ...
                  Breaking - not building. With the help of dynamite, the main monument of the Borodino memorial on the former Raevsky battery was turned into a pile of debris. At the same time, the nearby crypt of Bagration was damaged, so that the remains of the prince were mercilessly thrown out by the explosion from there.

                  I consider this a great stupidity, but do not ascribe to the Bolsheviks that they specifically destroyed the grave of Bagration.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  The examinations of the fragments of Morev’s bones are NOT DONE, whose dogs they are or even whose nobody knows.

                  And how were you going to determine the DNA at that time and with what to compare?
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  During the reburial, I managed to see the contents of the coffin - it was completely empty ... "

                  Morev refutes this, because he himself laid the remains in the grave. Why should I not believe him?

                  The FACT speaks of the explosion and the SCROLLED BONES of Bagration, which NO ONE thought to collect and then restore the crypt: this is very BRIGHT about the "fallacy" of the explosion.

                  Got it, no?
                  Quote: ccsr
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  The examinations of the fragments of Morev’s bones are NOT DONE, whose dogs they are or even whose nobody knows.

                  And how were you going to determine the DNA at that time and with what to compare?

                  Morev offered, but he was sent, a dumb money, here he is with a backpack and UNKNOWN bones and dangled back and forth on electric trains
                  Quote: ccsr
                  Morev refutes this, because he himself laid the remains in the grave. Why should I not believe him?

                  OFFICIALLY answered for the ceremony and led by Laptev.

                  And if he said that he was "empty", then he had VERY reasons (he did not consider these dubious fragments reliable, for example)

                  Did you finally realize that the MAIN MONUMENT of Borodino was officially DESTROYED by the Russophobic authorities, like tens of thousands of other RUSSIAN monuments, and this is a CRIME, and not "stupidity"?

                  Go do such a "stupid thing" and see how many years you will cut down the forest ....
                  1. ccsr 14 March 2020 16: 46 New
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                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Got it, no?

                    Your hatred of the Soviet period of life is known throughout the forum - this time you wanted to impress me?
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    OFFICIALLY in charge of the ceremony and led LAPTEV.

                    So what follows from this? Could he not have been mistaken in his memoirs, especially since if he realized that he had done the work incorrectly?
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Did you finally realize that the MAIN MONUMENT of Borodino was officially DESTROYED by the Russophobic authorities, like tens of thousands of other RUSSIAN monuments, and this is a CRIME, and not "stupidity"?

                    Peter the Great melted the bells to the cannons when he lacked metal, so the Bolsheviks took advantage of his example.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Go do such a "stupid thing" and see how many years you will cut down the forest ....

                    You just saliva about the word "Soviet power" and that’s why you are giving me wild advice. And if they were smarter, then they would have understood that it was the Soviet government that taught me to take care of the monuments of the past, whoever they were placed, with the exception of the traitors and enemies of my people.
                    1. Olgovich 16 March 2020 10: 32 New
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                      Quote: ccsr
                      Your hatred of the Soviet period of life is known throughout the forum - this time you wanted to impress me?

                      1. I need to sneeze on someone else's “defeat”, I just brought the FACTS and strictly on the TOPIC, which you simply did not know.

                      They did not know and therefore awkwardly they tried to defend vandalism and the crime against Russian History and its Heroes by throwing ... deubic accusations that have nothing to do with the topic (nothing more to say lol ).

                      2. The past of one’s country cannot be hated — the country is always beautiful, like its people: giving birth and creating, in spite of any authorities.
                      Again incomprehensible?
                      Quote: ccsr
                      So what follows from this? Could he not have been mistaken in his memoirs, especially since if he realized that he had done the work incorrectly?

                      That RESPONSIBLE and RESPONSIBLE for everything.
                      And he did not consider it possible nobody knows whose put bone fragments in the coffin and he is right: it’s more honest.
                      Quote: ccsr
                      Peter the Great melted the bells to the cannons when he lacked metal, so the Bolsheviks took advantage of his example.

                      belay fool lol
                      Tell how much Column of Glory remelted Peter.
                      Or until now, has the difference not yet reached you?
                      Quote: ccsr
                      You just saliva about the word "Soviet power" that's why you give me wild advice.

                      The word "CRIME" against the memory and Heroes of Russia!
                      When will this simple concept REACH?
                      And it does not matter who made it, Pupkin or Lupkin: destroyed, then a criminal!
                      Quote: ccsr
                      Would be smarterthen you would understand what exactly withthe power of the government taught me to be careful about the monuments of the past, whoever they are placed with the exception of the traitors and enemies of my people.



                      1. Who are you ... to teach? belay lol No one is for me.

                      2. She taught you NOT TO KNOW a huge part of the story of her country, which was blown up, burned, destroyed, ruined, and about which she bashfully SILENT:

                      these are the main monuments and even the cemetery ОВ 1812, ПМВ, РЯВ, РТВ, ПИ, blown up and ruined tombs - the memorials of POZHARSKY and MININ, BAGRATION and DOROKHOV, RADETSKY and KORNILOV, LAZAREV and ISTOMIN in Moscow, the marble boards destroyed by Moscow, destroyed Kronshiadte, Petersburg, Vladimir and other and other-not enough volumes of books, enumerate destroyed
                      Quote: ccsr
                      except for the traitors and enemies of my people.

                      Yes? and brackets, rosenbergs, krylki, Tukhachevsky and the like 80% of the Central Committee, PB and pr-destroyed and ... rehabilitated, who is this for you, heroes or ... enemies? lol laughing
                      1. ccsr 16 March 2020 12: 21 New
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                        Quote: Olgovich
                        I just brought the FACTS and strictly on the TOPIC, which you simply did not know.

                        I was at the Battle of Borodino memorial and therefore saw that everything was perfectly done there, which is why I do not take your whining seriously. Go and see for yourself - then we'll discuss it.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        The past of one’s country cannot be hated — the country is always beautiful, like its people: giving birth and creating, in spite of any authorities.

                        Why then spit in the Soviet past?
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Who are you to ... to teach? No one is for me.

                        Like you too, in order for me to take you seriously - this is just an ordinary forum key for a teacher.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Yes? and brackets, rosenbergs, krylki, Tukhachevsky and the like 80% of the Central Committee, PB and pr-destroyed and ... rehabilitated, who is this for you, heroes or ... enemies?

                        These are just personalities associated with our history. As far as I know, Tukhachevsky was certainly not a traitor, so why drag him into this?
                      2. Olgovich 16 March 2020 13: 55 New
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        I was at the Battle of Borodino memorial and therefore saw that everything was there well done, that's why I do not take your whining seriously. Go and see for yourself - then we'll discuss it.

                        made a BATCH, you do not understand the difference with the ORIGINAL? Which could not be touched?
                        And I was there. AND?
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Why then spit in the Soviet past?

                        1. I must love the MOTHERLAND, and not power. What's not clear?
                        2. What is the "spit"? belay In .... truth? belay
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Like you too, in order for me to take you seriously - this is just an ordinary forum key for a teacher.

                        "The little difference is that I DO NOT touch you and DO NOT teach you ANYTHING, and whether you are here or not, it makes no difference to me.
                        Quote: ccsr
                        It only personalities associated with our story. As far as I know, Tukhachevsky was certainly not a traitor, so why drag him into this?

                        1. it is "only" top echelon that power.

                        2.Stalin clearly stated that Tukhachevsky SPION of Germany and transferred to it ALL strategic plans of the USSR, etc.
                      3. ccsr 16 March 2020 19: 01 New
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                        Quote: Olgovich
                        .Stalin clearly stated that Tukhachevsky was the SPION of Germany and transferred to her ALL strategic plans of the USSR, etc.

                        Stalin said this from other people's words - you could know this before drawing your conclusions.
                      4. Olgovich 17 March 2020 11: 10 New
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        Stalin said this from other people's words

                        1. Stalin ...- the puppet in the wrong hands ?! belay lol
                        and so, all 16 years after the process yes

                        I haven’t heard such a thing ...... lol
                      5. ccsr 17 March 2020 12: 27 New
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                        Quote: Olgovich
                        I haven’t heard such a thing ......

                        They didn’t hear as much as they did not think - Stalin used the information that the NKVD provided him with, and this information could be unreliable.
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        They didn’t hear as much as they did not think - Stalin used the information that the NKVD provided him with, and this information could be unreliable.

                        You did not answer the question: "Stalin ...- the puppet in the wrong hands ?!
                        Quote: ccsr
                        The NKVD provided, and this information could be false.

                        yeah, tail steers a dog lol
                      7. ccsr 17 March 2020 13: 18 New
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                        Quote: Olgovich
                        You did not answer the question: "Stalin ...- the puppet in the wrong hands ?!

                        No, of course - you would like to imagine that time so much.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        yeah, tail steers a dog

                        Watching how to present the information of special services - you should at least understand this, and not pretend to be a mitrofanushka.
                      8. Olgovich 17 March 2020 15: 32 New
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        No, of course - you would like to imagine that time so much.

                        This is YOUR statement, see above.
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Watching how to present the information of special services - you should at least understand this, and not pretend to be a mitrofanushka.

                        Those. tail? lol
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    "Not that the current tribe"
    1. Rey_ka 13 March 2020 10: 21 New
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      the current tooth is not pulled out without anesthesia, and then they sawed a bone on a living ...
  • bubalik 12 March 2020 18: 50 New
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    what happened in similar medical centers during Borodinsky
    ,,, I do not remember what the book is called what about partisans of the Second World War. In the story, a hand with gangrene, without anesthesia, was amputated with a hacksaw.
    1. Svarog51 12 March 2020 19: 43 New
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      Such cases cannot be counted. A glass of alcohol (if there is instead of anesthesia), the operation is also "bitten" into the teeth. Against the background of what is happening now (in civil medicine) - well, at least it led to something positive. Sometimes. There were no antibiotics. How lucky someone.
      P.S. Today, according to RenTV - they forgot to remove the sheet from the woman in labor. Reform of medicine. I try not to think that I will get to them on the table.
      Sergei hi
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        Fat 12 March 2020 20: 48 New
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        Quote: Svarog51
        Against the background of what is happening now (in civil medicine) - well, at least it led to something positive.

        Reform of medicine for many years.
        But with young doctors it’s worse, but this is already a change in education, however.
        No internship in Russia since 2016 ...
        PS after RenTV I try not to think about the weather, about food, about crooks on every corner, about public transport, even thinking about it while taking another breath ...)))
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          After RenTV and reptilians will seem, and fortunetellers with witches :). Nevertheless, even bad medicine of the beginning of the 21st century is better than the most wonderful medicine of the beginning of the 20th. And the mortality rate of the wounded and the percentage of disabilities in those days was certainly huge, you can easily bend from one shock - after all, no one will inject a tube with promedol or butarfanol after an injury, even if you are a general or marshal even three times. And the prince died like a real warrior, again, with such a track record, few people survived almost fifty dollars in those days.
    2. Astra wild 12 March 2020 22: 08 New
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      I once read: “The Scouts of the Elusive is not a fiction, but a story about real events. If this is the book, then remember, the partisan detachment left the base, and a nurse and badly wounded partisans remained in the disguised dugout. to save the wounded
    3. denplot 13 March 2020 11: 42 New
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      "Strong in spirit" Medvedev
      1. bubalik 13 March 2020 19: 46 New
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        denplot
        Today, 12

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        1. denplot 13 March 2020 21: 23 New
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          You are welcome. The guy was only 21 years old, an explosive punitive bullet. The instrument was disinfected with alcohol and fire, and the doctor Cesarsky performed the operation. Successfully.
  • Dart2027 12 March 2020 19: 22 New
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    Where, Clio, take a pen to write his case? At Glory from the wing.
  • vladcub 12 March 2020 20: 11 New
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    When I read the description of P. I. Bagration’s wound, another general came to mind: N. F. Vatutin — also a wound in the leg also resisted the operation. And I also remembered Serpilin from Simonov’s novel: “Alive and Dead” by the author. Serpilin also dies after being wounded in the leg. Probably, K. M. was impressed by the wound and death of Vatutin?
  • Undecim 12 March 2020 20: 18 New
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    Field (battalion or regimental) set of 22 surgical instruments in a case, made in the workshop of JC Schnetter (Munich), presumably at the beginning of the 1813th century (until XNUMX), and is intended for military field surgery.
    Above in the photo - tools for amputation of limbs, on the bottom - for trepanation.
    Doctors did not yet know the words “humanism”, therefore even in 1839 the famous French surgeon Velpo publicly stated that “eliminating pain during operations is a chimera that you cannot even think about; cutting tools and pain are two concepts that cannot be separated from each other "To make the operation painless is a dream that will never come true."
    1. Undecim 12 March 2020 20: 35 New
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      Meanwhile, back in 1799, a 21-year-old Englishman, Humphrey Davy, received nitrous oxide, which was called “laughing gas” for one of the forms of exposure. Humphrey Davy, doing experiments on animals and on himself, found out that after inhaling the gas, sensitivity to pain was lost. However, Davy was not a doctor, but a chemist and physicist, and apparently he simply did not think about adapting the laughing gas to medicine. The laughing gas went into the circus and served the audience for amusement until 1845, when the dentist Horace Wells, who came to the show, suddenly saw this as a medical perspective. (However, Wells was not lucky - nitrous oxide did not give a deep sleep, and after one of the dentist’s patients woke up during the operation during pain, Wells’s pain relief method was ridiculed and the dentist went broke).
  • Mikhail Drabkin 13 March 2020 01: 54 New
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    Well done author!
    He writes well!
    And competently!
    Russian language, without Anglo-American borrowing!
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  • denplot 13 March 2020 11: 46 New
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    One of the most prominent commanders of Russia, he was always sorry for him. The gravest loss of the Russian army.