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By order of the Government of the Russian Federation of October 28.10.2019, 2553 No. 2035-r, a strategy for the development of the shipbuilding industry for the period until 170 was approved. According to the approved strategy, in the shipbuilding industry, the main problem is the shortage of construction and launching facilities for the mass production of large-tonnage ships and vessels, which has a significant impact on the timing of their construction. Only a few domestic shipyards are capable of building civilian vessels longer than XNUMX meters.

On the basis of the enterprises of JSC Far East Center for Shipbuilding and Ship Repair, PJSC NK Rosneft together with JSC Gazprombank and JSC Rosneftegaz in the city of Bolshoi Kamen, a unique shipbuilding complex Zvezda is being created and a program for creating a shipbuilding cluster in the Russian Far East is being actively implemented .



The costs of building a shipyard designed to produce large-capacity vessels, ice-class vessels with a displacement of up to 350 thousand tons, special vessels and other types of marine equipment are estimated at 202 billion rubles.

An industrial group of enterprises is being formed next to the new shipyard for the production of ship components. Joint ventures were created with foreign companies in order to acquire competencies and subsequent localization of production in Russia. Currently, the first phase of the shipyard is commissioned and operating: an open heavy outfit slipway, a hull production block, a block assembly workshop, a saturation and modular assembly workshop, a pipe-processing and mechanical assembly workshop, paint booths, and a helical-steering column plant. A 110-meter Goliath gantry crane with a lifting capacity of 1200 tons, built in China, is installed on an open heavy outfitting slipway, which is capable of moving ready-made blocks to the ship's hull, and its two smaller brothers - gantry cranes with a lifting capacity of 320 tons. It should be noted that no domestic shipyard has gantry cranes with a lifting capacity of over 500 tons.













Among the facilities under construction in the second stage, a special place is occupied by the dry dock. Its dimensions: 485 × 114 × 15. There is no similar dry dock in the Russian Federation. The general contractor for the construction of the dry dock is the Chinese construction corporation China Communications Construction Company Limited. A second Goliath gantry crane, already two-girder, is installed on the pre-dock site, on which commissioning is being completed.









Currently, the shipyard is working on concreting walls and service galleries of the dry dock, dumping artificial land, construction of freight and outfitting embankments, as well as warehouses for outfitting and auxiliary workshops. A batoport is under construction - a special shutter installed to isolate the inside of the dry dock from sea water.

The production program of the Zvezda shipbuilding complex was developed until 2035 and has 178 units of ships and marine equipment of various types. 39 ships ordered to date. At the same time, the main load of the shipyard is provided by Rosneft PJSC, which placed an order for 28 vessels.

In February 2020, the Zvezda shipbuilding complex began cutting metal for the fifth large-capacity tanker of the Aframax type (Average Freight Rate Assessment) with a deadweight of 114 thousand tons. The tanker will be 250 meters long and 44 meters wide. The tanker will operate on fuel oil, diesel fuel and liquefied gas. The creation of such high-tech vessels at a domestic shipyard is necessary for the revival of the industrial and transport potential of Russia.

The tanker St. Petersburg (the first of the Aframax series) is scheduled to be launched in 2020. Since the construction at the shipyard has not been completed and the full production cycle has not been worked out, competencies have not been fully acquired, the St. Petersburg tanker was built almost completely (with the exception of the small bow block of the hull) in South Korea by Hyundai Heavy Industries and with the help of the China, a floating transport and transfer dock with a lifting capacity of 40000 tons has been lifted to an open shipyard slipway. The bow block was assembled at the Zvezda shipbuilding complex from separate sections, which were also made in South Korea and subsequently delivered to Big Stone. After docking the bow block with the rest of the vessel, the tanker will be launched.

As new workshops are opened, localization will increase and competence will be developed, new personnel will be trained and trained at the shipyards of South Korea, the proportion of independently performed work will be increased, production chains will be debugged.

Currently, the number of employees of the Zvezda shipbuilding complex has reached 3500. Upon completion of the construction of the shipyard, the number of employees should increase to 7500 people. In the future, in the Russian Far East, a branch of heavy civilian shipbuilding will appear.
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  1. +1
    9 March 2020 15: 04
    The news is certainly good. But I wonder where they will take the frames? The outflow of the population is progressing.
    1. +8
      9 March 2020 15: 17
      Do you have numbers on population outflows? By the way, the article says where they are going to prepare the shots!
    2. -3
      9 March 2020 15: 22
      And I’m more interested why 20 years ago it was impossible to build such a shipyard
      1. +4
        9 March 2020 16: 17
        20 years ago, no one could have imagined that LNG ships would be in demand.
        1. +5
          9 March 2020 16: 39
          Why immediately cng? We could start building container ships and tankers like Korean deo
          1. +13
            9 March 2020 17: 32
            Container carriers carry trading companies; in the history of trade, Russia did not work out. Just like that, no one will let you carry other people's goods from foreign ports raking in money.
            Korea first began to make goods for export, and only then ships went to ensure these exports.
        2. -2
          10 March 2020 08: 15
          Quote: READY FOR BREAKTHROUGH
          20 years ago


          Then, in the Russian budget, only mice were found, and perhaps they just didn’t hang themselves ...
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      3. +19
        9 March 2020 19: 33
        Quote: Clever man
        And I’m more interested why 20 years ago it was impossible to build such a shipyard

        20 years ago, the second Chechen one was what construction sites of the shipyards, what shisha, the question was about the unity of the Russian Federation within the existing borders. Everything is quickly forgotten from you.
        1. -8
          10 March 2020 00: 41
          20 years ago, except for Chechnya, everything was fine fine marquise
        2. -1
          10 March 2020 08: 35
          Quote: Mitroha
          Everything is quickly forgotten from you.

          +!
      4. +7
        10 March 2020 04: 12
        And I’m more interested why 20 years ago it was impossible to build such a shipyard

        How old are you, that you don’t remember (or don’t know) what happened in the country 20 years ago. The country came to life after a gang of drunk Yeltsin. What shipyards then? To feed.
        1. +6
          10 March 2020 05: 16
          In 1945, the most destructive war in the history of mankind ended, and in 1961 they sent man into space the first in the world. 16 years have passed from the destroyed country to the sending of man into space. Attention question in 2000 was worse than 1945?
          1. +7
            10 March 2020 06: 24
            In 1945 there were not enough workers, and in 2000 jobs, you understand the difference?
            By 1945, industry had taken an unprecedented rate of production, all that remained was to redirect it to peaceful purposes.
            By 2000, most industries were idle for one reason or another or ceased to exist.
            1. 0
              11 March 2020 13: 42
              there were not many reasons. only one.
          2. +1
            10 March 2020 07: 28
            Attention question in 2000 was worse than 1945?

            Yes. Because most leaders of all ranks have sold their souls the devil the dollar. And still there are many. Therefore, there are no successes like those that our ancestors had.
            1. +1
              10 March 2020 08: 24
              Quote: maidan.izrailovich
              Therefore, there are no successes like those that our ancestors had.

              what I propose to shoot a couple of tens of thousands, a hundred thousand to the camps during construction of the century! Well, that success was .. like the ancestors!
              1. 0
                11 March 2020 13: 43
                but I do not mind. benefit candidates more than your numbers.
                1. +2
                  11 March 2020 14: 56
                  Quote: pin_code
                  There are more candidates than your numbers.

                  what I even suspect that the numbers will be much higher than the number of candidates you selected!
              2. 0
                11 March 2020 13: 43
                and even put you a plus.
        2. -1
          10 March 2020 09: 20
          .
          The country came to life after a gang of drunk Yeltsin. What shipyards then? To feed.

          In your opinion, the gang temporarily attacked the Russian Federation? Do you know, but the guarantor, the EBN protege, this gang is still in power now.
    3. +22
      9 March 2020 16: 26
      Quote: Nehist
      But I wonder where they will take the frames? The outflow of the population is progressing.

      There is a publication on the topic of recruiting "87 thousand a month and an apartment: how Sechin is sucking personnel from St. Petersburg for a shipyard in the Far East"
      link https://www.fontanka.ru/2019/04/12/134/
      In April 2019, employees were promised an average salary of 87 thousand rubles and 100% housing provision. Mostly recruited employees of the Admiralty Shipyards and Northern Shipyard.
      An engineer immediately after the institute, without experience, gets over 40 thousand. Leading engineers - 70 - 80 thousand. Welder-assemblers on average receive from 40 to 100 thousand rubles, depending on the category. Even the cleaning lady gets twenty-five. Weekends are paid, overtime is paid, ”he explained. - If the salary is not satisfied, then they can consider the issue of individual surcharge - if only the specialist was good. Do you have a Far Eastern coefficient? Six months, while you work it out, they will compensate, and this is 30% of the salary. So you decided to move, say, from St. Petersburg, you are a welder. You are immediately paid for tickets, baggage, transportation of your furniture and everything else, your family’s flight. Then they give you 31 thousand rubles. And then you still have a fund of 300 thousand rubles. You can spend it on your own. You bought a refrigerator, brought the check to the factory - they returned it from your salary. I bought a sofa, took the check, the cost came to you. Now the second program is planned, for especially valuable workers and managers and workers with large families - they plan to allocate 1 million rubles to them. All employees are provided with new housing.
      1. +2
        9 March 2020 21: 29
        That is, instead of training local staff with the necessary specialists (designers, technologists, mechanics, ship builders) from central Russia, they will work on the principle of “Trishkin's caftan” to recruit workers in St. Petersburg when they come and realize that they were deceived , will begin to recruit Severodvintsev, and when those eyes open, they will begin to follow Murmonchan.
        1. 0
          9 March 2020 21: 40
          Quote: Marine Engineer
          when they arrive and realize that they were deceived

          Where does the idea that they are necessarily deceived?
          1. +1
            9 March 2020 22: 50
            "Where does the idea that they are necessarily deceived?"

            Because everything that “effective managers” touch is transformed into a guano.
            1. -1
              9 March 2020 23: 00
              Quote: Marine Engineer
              everything that “effective managers” touch turns into a guano

              Clear. Previously, mermaids, gobies and brownies were to blame for everything, but now - "effective managers".

              The similarity is that both before and now - none of those who spoke about them live Yes

              Man, in this mood you can’t sell an elephant. And really, why move your legs and arms when all the same the managers will spoil everything? Well, what can I say ... also a position laughing
              1. +6
                9 March 2020 23: 42
                Well, I’ll decipher well: “effective managers are highly placed officials who, without a basic education, are set up, unfortunately, to manage our industries, but their mind and knowledge are not enough to understand what they manage and they simply can’t cope with the tasks at the epicenter of which they are. Now it is clear?
                1. -1
                  9 March 2020 23: 45
                  Quote: Marine Engineer
                  Now you understand?

                  Yes, from the very beginning it was clear. Only at the plant is the owner a director, not a "high manager". A good worker will always find a job. And also - under the lying lieutenant, vodka does not flow (folk).
                  1. -4
                    10 March 2020 01: 31
                    Golovan, I see, have you been "grounded" here too? :)
                    Twice dipping in guano will teach you something, interesting or not ...
                  2. +4
                    10 March 2020 07: 46
                    “Only at the plant the owner is a director, not a“ high manager ”. And a good worker will always find a job. "

                    Unfortunately, I can only answer in the evening. In order not to “shoe” twice, I suggest that you speak in more detail about the management in the “legal proceedings” and personnel policy, so as to reveal the whole “potential” so to speak, and I will try to rid you of illusions.
                    1. -5
                      10 March 2020 08: 07
                      Quote: Marine Engineer
                      and I will try to save you from illusions

                      Thank you, you have already done this:

                      Quote: Marine Engineer
                      Therefore, the leading experts on whom the plant management should rely in their work when fulfilling contract terms, mastering new equipment and technologies, are initially planned to be kept in a “black body” humiliating them with a lower salary than workers

                      70-80 sput for the leader - this is undoubtedly a humiliation. And much less than the welder (plug 40 - 100).

                      Further it’s even somehow uninteresting request
                      1. +1
                        10 March 2020 20: 26
                        “Thank you, you have already done this:”

                        Well, I don’t want to.
                2. +1
                  10 March 2020 21: 08
                  Not all effective managers are as dumb as you think. Meet and real ENGINEERS. For example, L.P.Beria was an architect by training, but taking into account modern concepts he was an effective manager and all the tasks before him were solved efficiently and quickly.
                  1. +1
                    10 March 2020 21: 41
                    We are talking about "effective managers" of modern Russia and not the USSR
            2. +5
              10 March 2020 02: 02
              Big stone is soooo Zadrischensk .... A very depressing place. Settlement until recently. Although on the weekend you can dangle in Vladik. And yet I still don’t understand such giants as PSRZ NSRZ were killed. Dalzavod in each of 20 thousand people worked with slip docks and there were an order of magnitude more people in Vlad Nakhodka with all the gas processing stations ... And now they are trying to build something in the open field .. If Rosneft is Sovcomflot St. Petersburg. The Korean STX or Hyundai Panamaxes all their aframaxes are lowered in 9 months and no one will beat their price. Here's how it says the tank’s lure and all the convention brand inside from there
              1. +2
                10 March 2020 05: 43
                The maximum deadweight that Dalzavod could pull is the cruiser "Rurik". Minsk was written off for a reason. There were no repair facilities. A military repair plant (closer to the center) is working. Some kind of marshal has been tinkering with lately.
              2. 0
                10 March 2020 07: 57
                ... killed such giants as PSRZ NSRZ Dalzavod ....

                Well, in the NSRZ, life is still a greenhouse. And the rest you are absolutely right.
              3. +4
                10 March 2020 14: 09
                In 1989, Big Stone became a city of regional subordination.

                So there is no need for "until recently"
                Don't fill in the "depressed place" either. I live here and I don't see anything depressing.
                It’s 1.5-2 hours to Vladik if you are lucky to drive without traffic jams. If you are not lucky, then in 5 hours you can. But this is trash.
                How to complete the section of the Vladivostok-Nakhodka-Port Vostochny highway, in general, you can get there in 50 minutes
          2. 0
            11 March 2020 15: 25
            A fresh example, you don’t even have to go far. And this is a federal construction site.
            https://www.newsvl.ru/vlad/2020/03/11/188377/

            The same situation was with Rosneft, which Dalzavod in Vladivostok bought up and told how it is useful for Primorye. As a result, newcomers work on Rosneft's contract work (they don’t let locals in, no matter what qualifications they have), taxes go to Moscow, and salaries to other regions ... nothing for Vladivostok and Primorye. Although there is for Primorye - Dalzavod collapsed. All! This is capitalism, nothing personal, only money. But how they sang in their ears that this would give an impetus to Primorye ... Everything will be the same with the Star.
        2. +6
          9 March 2020 22: 11
          Murmanchan! This is firstly, and secondly, here in Murmansk, we are also building a shipyard for the assembly of various platforms (drilling, oil, etc.)
        3. -13
          10 March 2020 01: 30
          Hey, tell sedition :) Putin and Sechin are not mistaken ....
          And window dressing is a window dress in Africa ...
          Zatupintsy - ay, where are you?
        4. +3
          10 March 2020 14: 03
          At the location of the shipyard, the construction of a training center for her has begun. So everything is provided for, and the luring of specialists from other enterprises is only at the first stage of providing workforce.
        5. -4
          10 March 2020 14: 42
          Quote: Marine Engineer
          train field staff

          it's a few years ... request By the way, with SV it was also ...
          1. 0
            10 March 2020 22: 39
            There will be no factory without this.
      2. +6
        9 March 2020 21: 50
        Dear Aristarchus !!! Do you believe that people from St. Petersburg will go to a regular town with a population of 38000 people to hell with horns? Where are the prices for everything one and a half to two times higher? Hard to believe, the population with the Far East mainly flees
        1. +2
          10 March 2020 05: 39
          An hour by car to Vladivostok. The population is decreasing, but not running. From Peter, too, at first they fled;)
          1. +1
            10 March 2020 07: 59
            An hour by car to Vladivostok.

            On the dead road. Which is either being repaired or modernized all the time.
            1. +2
              10 March 2020 15: 45
              You move to us, or remove the cross. The track to Nakhodka is dug further.
        2. 0
          15 March 2020 14: 32
          Quote: Nehist
          Do you believe that people from St. Petersburg will go to a regular town with a population of 38000 people to hell with horns? Where are the prices for everything one and a half to two times higher? Hard to believe, the population with the Far East mainly flees

          Alexander hi I can’t predict the migration of personnel, life will show. As for faith, I'm not at that age to believe. About 10 years, it will obviously take years to train personnel for the shipyard.
      3. +1
        9 March 2020 23: 17
        Dear Aristarchus, the accuracy in the formation of the personnel policy is already visible in the phrase you quoted “Leading engineers - 70–80 thousand. "Welders-assemblers on average receive from 40 to 100 thousand rubles, depending on the category."
        Consequently, the leading specialists on whom the plant management should rely in their work when fulfilling contract terms and mastering new equipment and technologies are initially planned to be kept in a “black body” while humiliating them with less salaries than workers. I believe that with this approach, none of the efficient specialists, Work for five soldiers, they won’t go there, and without good specialists the director and the workers can do nothing good.
        1. +1
          11 March 2020 13: 51
          Already 8 people believe that you are wrong. I personally wouldn’t go for 100tys if it weren’t for extra buns. but a plus from me.
      4. +1
        10 March 2020 09: 55
        how Sechin sucks shots from St. Petersburg for a shipyard in the Far East

        This is one of the basic methods of the capitalists, as he listened to an audiobook for a long time, one businessman (Trump) businessman, as he boasted about recruiting personnel from competitors in the hotel business
        And by the way, in the future, competition for personnel leads to an increase in salaries.
    4. -2
      9 March 2020 19: 08
      So much whining that there is no work - so go ahead! Do not miss the chance!
    5. +2
      9 March 2020 23: 32
      From Peter, they lure him. They offer more salaries to those who are ready to move.
    6. +2
      10 March 2020 05: 38
      Will be delivered. In Terneyles Ukrainians, 80%. With any political upheaval, no difference for New Russia or for the Nazis, dismissal and deportation. Quiet. I think, from Yuzhmash and Nikolaev will go.
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  2. +1
    9 March 2020 15: 10
    Joint ventures were created with foreign companies with the aim of acquiring competencies and subsequent localization of production in Russia.
    Shchaz-zz - they rushed straight ahead, stumbling to share competencies .... sad
    1. 0
      9 March 2020 19: 11
      So after all - CREATED!
    2. +6
      9 March 2020 19: 34
      Quote: Radikal
      stumbling to share competencies ...

      For example, the R-70046 is a series of Arctic tankers with an azipod propulsion system, built in the 70s at Admiralty Shipyards. A joint project of the Finnish company Aker Arctic Technology and the Russian LLC "Admiralty Shipyards". Deadweight - 000 tons, 10 m longer than Aframax, which is being built at the Zvezda shipyard.
      1. -1
        10 March 2020 08: 28
        And why practically "super" azipods? He suddenly needed increased maneuverability?
        1. +3
          10 March 2020 19: 07
          But the minusers are not destined to just say that he goes forward in the ice stern? feel
    3. +2
      9 March 2020 19: 40
      Radical
      So after all, competencies are not only documentation and best practices, they are also, and not least, EXPERIENCE. And his existing generation, oh, how not enough. The gap between the generations of workers and engineers has affected
      So they will receive it
    4. +5
      10 March 2020 10: 03
      Shchaz-zz - they rushed straight ahead, stumbling to share competencies

      According to the principle of screwdriver assembly.
      According to the article, the body, in addition to the nose, was built in Korea, brought and put on a slipway. The nose section is also Korean.
      1. +2
        10 March 2020 20: 32
        Exactly. Took off the tongue.
      2. 0
        15 March 2020 17: 45
        Quote: nickname7
        According to the principle of screwdriver assembly.
        According to the article, the body, in addition to the nose, was built in Korea, brought and put on a slipway. The nose section is also Korean.

        And in any other way it will not work. In order to build everything on the spot, it is necessary to provide the plant with rental, but no one thought about it. It will not be possible to transport it along the Trans-Siberian Railway, if it is only purchased in Korea or China, and in this case it will be cheaper to transport it in a cut-out form or in ready-made sections, so that completion is the maximum that the plant is capable of. Such production should be planned carefully, and not abruptly.
  3. -1
    9 March 2020 15: 32
    When / if everything works out .... in general, work is going on, we will see when the result is.
    1. -3
      9 March 2020 16: 13
      Victor, in anticipation of a vote on amendments to the current government, we need any, albeit miserable, success. Which they inflate to incredible sizes.
      1. +10
        9 March 2020 16: 57
        Excuse me, I can not grasp the thread of your logic, how is the "Star" and the vote on the amendment?
        1. +12
          9 March 2020 17: 08
          Voting has nothing to do with the construction of the shipyard. The Zvezda shipyard has been under construction in Bolshoy Kamen, Primorsky Krai since 2009. This is a long-term project. Initially, the project was created and started to be implemented by the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) and the South Korean shipbuilding company Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering Co. (DSME, a division of the Daewoo concern). Subsequently, in 2012 DSME withdrew from the project, and USC ceded a 75% minus two shares of the Far Eastern Shipbuilding and Ship Repair Center (DTSSS, which includes the Zvezda shipyard and a number of other shipyards) to the Consortium Modern Shipbuilding Technologies, created by Gazprombank and Rosneft ". I brought the Discovery Channel movie at the end of the publication.
          1. +4
            9 March 2020 18: 51
            I am aware, thank you, but I asked the question to the "Honest Citizen", because I can’t catch the logic in his comments!
        2. -7
          9 March 2020 18: 55
          Ivan.
          What successes does the government have? Really - none. From the word at all. Therefore, now any project, any construction site, will be presented by the media controlled by the authorities as "the great sovereign peremogue." Don't you think so?
          1. -4
            9 March 2020 19: 01
            Quote: Honest Citizen
            What are the successes in power? Really - no. From the word completely

            Weak statement, even purely formal. To break? wink
            1. -6
              9 March 2020 19: 02
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Quote: Honest Citizen
              What are the successes in power? Really - no. From the word completely

              Weak statement, even purely formal. To break? wink

              Break it. If you do not want here - you can dash in PM.
              1. -6
                9 March 2020 19: 04
                Quote: Honest Citizen
                Break it. If you do not want to here - you can dash in PM

                Well, why? The people should know their heroes ... I, if you are, know me well enough here. Where do we start? Politics, economics? wink
                1. -4
                  9 March 2020 19: 07
                  And we will start with domestic policy, which is inextricably linked with the economy and production. If you don't mind. laughing
                  And let’s leave foreign policy for a snack.
                  1. -4
                    9 March 2020 19: 08
                    Quote: Honest Citizen
                    And we will start with domestic policy, which is inextricably linked with the economy and production

                    Accepted. What exactly in it, internal, does not suit you?
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                    2. 0
                      9 March 2020 19: 21
                      Allow.
                      I wrote above - that the authorities have no achievements, and you undertook to break this statement. The ball is then in your half of the field.
                      Well, if you really need it.
                      Medicine, education, science, economic growth over 20 years of Putin, the commodity economy by 80%. The excess of mortality over fertility.
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                      2. -9
                        9 March 2020 19: 26
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        I wrote above - that the authorities have no achievements, and you undertook to break this statement. The ball is then in your half of the field

                        OK, accepted.

                        You see, I think that, for example, the very preservation of a unified Russian Federation (after Yeltsin's "take sovereignty, as much as you can take away"), the restoration of the army and the forces of law and order ... well, and much more, are undoubted successes.

                        Do not you think so? wink

                        Everything else - for the second time, there would be no state of the Russian Federation - we would not be sitting on the Internet here now.
                      3. -2
                        9 March 2020 19: 29
                        Much more - please expand the answer.
                        Personally, I consider it a complete failure with education, medicine and the economy. In the social sphere - despite attempts, also a failure.
                        What you wrote is undoubtedly important, but the level of corruption in the forces of law and order is off scale. Zakharchenko alone is worth something, and the summer scandal in the "Golunov case" with the planting of drugs.
                      4. -5
                        9 March 2020 19: 36
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        What you wrote is undoubtedly important

                        Bend one finger.

                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        level of corruption in the forces of law and order - rolls over

                        You see ... important here dynamics. I well remember what the police were like in the 90s, and I know pretty well what the police are now. Now I like it a lot more Yes

                        Corruption is not a good thing, but the fact that corrupt officials are caught and drained inspires hope that this phenomenon will be calmed down over time.

                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        summer scandal in the "Golunov case" with drug planting

                        In the same 90s it was all the time. And no scandals caused laughing

                        Total - positive dynamics. Which also does not arise by itself, which means that it can be credited to the system. So, or how?
                      5. +1
                        9 March 2020 19: 42
                        You see ... dynamics is important here.

                        It seems to me that scale is important here.
                        Corruption is not a good thing, but the fact that corrupt officials are caught and drained inspires hope that this phenomenon will be calmed down over time.

                        For all my dislike of Navalny, I didn’t hear something that, based on the results of his activities at FBK, at least one investigation would be initiated, well, with the exception of FBK employees.
                        Total - the dynamics are positive.

                        I do not see any positive dynamics.
                      6. -4
                        9 March 2020 19: 49
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        I do not see positive dynamics

                        Clear. What a difficult one you are ... but even though the bandits from the streets disappeared somewhere, did you notice, probably? Just don’t say that they went into power - there were too many of them, everything will not fit there laughing
                      7. -3
                        9 March 2020 19: 56
                        but even though the bandits from the streets disappeared somewhere, did you notice, probably?

                        He was on a business trip, in the city of Mines. I went in a taxi, talked with the driver.
                        The bandyukov was removed in the city according to the principle "a thief should be in prison, but how I put him there - it doesn't matter" (c) Almost everyone was taken with drugs.
                        That, by the way, and the so-called. "thieves in law" were found.
                        So about the city of Mines. According to the taxi driver, I have no reason not to believe him - all prostitution in the city is under the cops.
                        And then I had a chance to drink there with one major, from the Ministry of Internal Affairs system. His wife has a business: 5 long-range truckers who carry goods in the region.
                        So, he answered my question: if you stop being a major tomorrow, how long your wife’s business will last, he answered: a maximum of 5 minutes.
                      8. -2
                        9 March 2020 19: 58
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        The bandyukov was removed in the city according to the principle "a thief should be in prison, but how I put him there - it doesn't matter"

                        This is already particular. The bandits were? Yes. Not now? Well no. Is this an achievement, or an epic fail? wink

                        About the major - it’s not interesting: I have a couple of familiar long-range private owners, and somehow none of them are married to a police major ... they’re guys what to do request
                      9. -5
                        9 March 2020 20: 04
                        This is already particular. The bandits were? Yes. Not now? Well no. Is this an achievement, or an epic fail?

                        Hmm ... Interesting, it was necessary to order a girl with reduced social responsibility and ask, with whom did she live better, with bandits or now? laughing
                        Sorry, I didn’t guess.
                        By the way, I heard the opinion of one resident of Yekaterinburg. He had a small business, traded in the market. The opinion is this: under the Uralmashevsky order was more.
                        By the way, what do you think, why Roizman became the mayor there? He rode in the wake of the fight against drugs. Question: what is the militia / police doing here? Tosses?
                        And then what does particular mean. You just rewrite the situation on yourself - you have become objectionable for some reason. You were planted. And you yourself do not use, do not distribute - and you get a piece of gold.
                      10. -3
                        9 March 2020 20: 11
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        And then what particular means

                        Particulars are details that do not change the essence of the matter.

                        Another question: as a result of the activities of the authorities, bandits disappeared somewhere. Is it good or bad? wink
                      11. -4
                        9 March 2020 20: 13
                        Another question: as a result of the activities of the authorities, bandits disappeared somewhere. Is it good or bad?

                        Once again the answer:
                        but is there a difference who controls prostitution?
                      12. -5
                        9 March 2020 20: 19
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        but is there a difference who controls prostitution?

                        For me - no, I haven’t, and don’t. laughing

                        But these bandidos, they not only "controlled prostitution", did they? Did life become calmer when they suddenly disappeared, or not?
                      13. -1
                        9 March 2020 20: 27
                        Those. Replacing some criminal structures with others is good?
                        Well, if this is good for you, then the "peremog" is clearly on the face. laughing
                      14. -4
                        9 March 2020 20: 41
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Those. Replacing some criminal structures with others is good?

                        Do you mean the current policemen by "other criminal structure"? wink laughing

                        Ay-yay-yay ... and you are also called "Honest Citizen" ... you haven’t come running into you, you guys in the 90s never. Well, you did not try any other gingerbread of that time, hike. I've tried it, I know.

                        Man, the state has done what the state should have done: it took power into their own hands. And this is certainly an achievement. Bend the second finger or something Yes
                      15. -4
                        9 March 2020 21: 03
                        In the 90s, I studied, and went to work at the end of the institute only in 1997.
                        Bend the second finger or something

                        Only on the other hand. Because the change of personalities from one crime to other personalities - I can’t attribute it to achievements with a plus sign.
                        And if you recall the events in Kushchevskaya, where for decades the authorities turned a blind eye to Tsapkov’s adventures, and when a gang member later eats crabs in the zone, what kind of power are you talking about? What are you talking about?
                        PySy. I can tell you how the tax authorities "ran over" to my company at the very beginning of March 2018 :) Believe me, our stories will probably coincide, well, except that the methods are different.
                      16. -4
                        9 March 2020 21: 19
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        In the 90s, I studied, and went to work at the end of the institute only in 1997

                        Clear. I will be older request

                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Because the change of personalities from one crime to other personalities - well, I just can’t ascribe to achievements with a plus sign

                        Once again, extreme: in the 90s the police were either under crime, or the crime itself was. There were exceptions, but in 10 years I met this only once. True, the guys really saved my life, for which they were very grateful.

                        Now what is called the "police" is a completely predictable car, the CSS drives. And this is the result of the work of the state, not otherwise. Exceptions - yes, there are, but these are exceptions.

                        In general, on the whole, it is clear that both the current system and those in power are full of shortcomings that, if desired, are easy, ahem, to pedal. But there are flaws in any system, and there were many of them in the Union.

                        Dynamics is important... I see her, and in general she suits me. You are probably not, but on this basis make statements a la "no one does anything useful" and

                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        is there success in power? Really - no. From the word completely

                        - some... recklesslyI would say.

                        Thanks for the lyrics, I finished my report laughing
                      17. -6
                        9 March 2020 21: 29
                        Thanks for the lyrics, I finished my report

                        Wait, wait! You didn’t even start the report. Where is the economy? Domestic policy? External?
                        One thing I can say - you are me not even convinced with the police.
                        But there are flaws in any system, and there were many of them in the Union.

                        Nobody argues with this - there are drawbacks. But when their number exceeds the number of positive moments, then there is no need to talk about successes.
                        Okay. Let's move on to the economy.
                        I'm listening to you carefully.
                      18. -5
                        9 March 2020 21: 32
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Let's go to the economy

                        Let's get along. You bent one finger, saying:

                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        What you wrote is undoubtedly important

                        Let me remind you - this is about the integrity of the Russian Federation and the army.

                        Quote: Lyrical digression
                        The quantifier of generality in statements is an extremely harmful thing.

                        I undertook to refute only your "what are you doing? Yes no. From the word completely"and it is done. Even a single inconsistency breaks your statement. tongue
                      19. -2
                        9 March 2020 21: 46
                        Easily.
                        Now, as they say, the time has come for the opponent.
                        Those. you think that when the state fulfills its functions, let me quote:
                        Let me remind you - this is about the integrity of the Russian Federation and the army.

                        Is it already necessary to put in a plus?
                        Let me disagree. The analogies are insidious, but one I still give.
                        Imagine a married couple. If the husband is in a given pair, under any pretext, he ceases to fulfill his marital duty - but he may not count on fresh and hot borscht. Well, in the end, he also "horns" will grow.
                        Thus, the state is OBLIGED to ensure its integrity (Damansky, given to Putin and a part of the sea that Medvedev gave to the Norwegians), the protection of citizens both from external (sanctions, including WADA against our athletes) and from internal threats (so that the streets can be calmly was to walk, and not be afraid that you will be planted with drugs). There is much more to add here, but for now we will dwell on the power block. Those. it turns out that as a plus, you think that if the state, and the authorities need to read, with grief in half, struggling, tries to "fulfill their conjugal duty" - is this a blessing?
                        “If you have the right to rule,
                        So we have the right to stumble
                        And we can sometimes stumble - how to be -
                        To break Your Majesty against a stone. ”

                        Your point of view is strange.
                        Just imagine such a situation. You are hired, and you have to do, well, say 5 operations. And you do that, with jambs only 2. Are successes waiting for you?
                        Will the employer be satisfied?
                        So you definitely "fail".
                        What did you say there?
                        The country must know its heroes

                        Well, I hope she recognized you.
                      20. -7
                        9 March 2020 21: 52
                        Everything, the heat started laughing

                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Well, I hope she recognized you

                        I repeat, they know me well here. And those who are friends, and those who, ahem, are not very. But you showed yourself quite clearly, Malady good

                        All cabbage soup-plum. I left the dog for a walk, and to work tomorrow. And I'm already old, and I like to sleep. Good luck Yes
                      21. -3
                        9 March 2020 21: 56
                        Well what can I tell you ... walk the dog, relax.
                        Good luck. Quite sincerely.
                      22. +1
                        10 March 2020 10: 53
                        And about the economy, I can answer you, over the past 20 years it has changed more than, and for the better!
                      23. -2
                        10 March 2020 11: 23
                        Well, let's talk with you about the economy now. What do you see the improvement in economic performance over 20 years?
                      24. +3
                        10 March 2020 15: 44
                        You shared the story of the taxi driver, I will share the story of my family. In the "holy 90s" we finished the last horseradish with a turnip to buy a ragged dress (forgive my French) for my sister's graduation, 95g graduation, borrowed money from relatives, and this is how about all our relatives lived, friends, acquaintances for a rare except for those who did fit into the market. Now my sister lives in her apartment, although before that for 5 years she and her husband rented an apartment, the family has two cars, her husband is a simple hard worker, she herself does paperwork in the office, in the 90s we could not even dream of such a thing. My parents are retired now living better than when they worked, yes, Dad is a military pensioner, and my mother is a veteran of labor, but now they live normally, of course, adjusted for their age, 5 years ago, my mother had heart surgery recently the built cardiology center, the valve was replaced, the operation itself plus rehabilitation is all free, and I can also send you a video about how our city has changed over these 20 years!

                        https://youtu.be/s6_VtOeNPd8

                        If we talk about macroeconomics, then here everything is not bad with us.
                      25. -1
                        10 March 2020 15: 54
                        It is a bit like an "officer's daughter". Although, if what you wrote is true, rallied for you, and health to your parents.
                        Well, now I will give some words.
                        The economic growth of the Russian Federation over 20 years amounted to 22,3%. This is slightly more than 1% per year, which is within the margin of error.
                        For 20 years, the Chinese economy has grown 30 times, the Belarusian economy 6 times. And this despite the fact that the Old Man does not have its own energy sources.
                        At the beginning of 2000, the share of oil and gas revenues in the Russian Federation was 60%. As I have already said, then there was a period of growth, getting up from our knees, a safe haven, social responsibility of business, getting off the oil needle, “sanctions are in our favor” - as a result, today we have a share in the revenues from the oil industry - 80%.
                        Really, we can be proud.
                        About the destroyed enterprises, optimizations, education, I modestly keep silent.
                        As well as the failed Strategies 2020 and other HPPs.
                        Also, I will not talk about the same people, only in different areas in government.
                        In general, yes, success is evident.
                      26. +4
                        10 March 2020 16: 23
                        Where did you get such figures in 22%? Can a source? , in 2000 GDP at the PPP of Russia was less than $ 1 trillion, in 2018 it was already more than $ 4 trillion, of course, inflation also enters here, but even adjusted for it, obviously more than 22%, the economy of Belarus also did not grow 6 times, In 2000, GDP at the PPP of Belarus was equal to $ 60 billion, in 2018 it was already 189 billion, and this is also taking into account inflation, where is the growth 6 times? Where do these numbers come from? , and the whole Old Man’s economy is supported by subsidies and cheap energy from the Russian Federation.
                        About China, in general, a separate topic, it arose due to the fact that the West invested there crazy capital, transferred its technology to them, and placed its production there, the entire so-called rust belt of the United States moved to China, while in the 90s they plundered Russia to China and laid out!
                        Share in income from the oil industry 80% ??? Where do these numbers come from? Even the budget does not have such a share of the oil industry, not to mention the entire economy, you have some kind of disinformation around! And about the "officer's daughter" it was not funny, I am not rude to you even once!
                      27. -5
                        10 March 2020 16: 28
                        I didn’t mean to offend you, but it all hurt you are rosy.
                        Alas, this is not the case with me.
                      28. +3
                        10 March 2020 16: 35
                        I am not saying that everything is rosy, but the changes are clearly for the better!
                      29. 0
                        10 March 2020 15: 59
                        As a percentage of 2000, industrial production growth in Russia amounted to 177%, which is better than the global 158%, and second only to China and India.
                      30. -1
                        10 March 2020 21: 10
                        Go to any store and independently evaluate the industrial growth of Russia. Reality is significantly different from fantasy.
                      31. +2
                        11 March 2020 05: 24
                        It’s easy, I wrote already and I’ll repeat it, at my place, all the major Russian household appliances, furniture, plumbing, all of ours, clothes, Ksati, too!
                      32. -5
                        9 March 2020 22: 26
                        True, the guys really saved my life, for which they were very grateful.

                        Probably by accident.
                      33. -3
                        9 March 2020 22: 35
                        Quote: Observer2014
                        True, the guys really saved my life, for which they were very grateful.

                        This is very badо

                        I recognize my friend Vasya! He said, and then he wondered ... it happens Yes
                      34. +3
                        10 March 2020 11: 11
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Quote: Observer2014
                        True, the guys really saved my life, for which they were very grateful.

                        This is very badо

                        I recognize my friend Vasya! He said, and then he wondered ... it happens Yes

                        And, it can (or exactly?) For him (the Observer) "deep analytical thought" winked in the theme "Cradle of Giants" ...
                      35. 0
                        16 March 2020 16: 23
                        With the bandits sorted out gangsters. It turns out that the gang is in power and not the state.
          2. -3
            9 March 2020 21: 11
            [quote = Honest Citizen] Ivan.
            What successes does the government have? Really - none. From the word at all. Therefore, now any project, any construction site, will be presented by the media controlled by the authorities as "the great sovereign peremogue." Don't you think so?
            I agree.
            1. +2
              10 March 2020 10: 31
              What are the successes in power? Really - no. From the word completely

              The authorities have successes, but only for themselves, in fact they built what they wanted - selling raw materials, from oil to timber, exporting money abroad, nationalizing losses and privatizing profits. In power, everything is fine.
              If, for example, Germany receives the main profits from the factories, it takes care of those who work there, in Russia the main profit comes from the bowels ...
              those. the population is ballast, so they don’t care about it. How much is enough there to service the pipe, according to Thatcher 30KK?
              1. -1
                10 March 2020 23: 04
                “The authorities have successes, but only for themselves, in fact they built what they wanted - selling raw materials, from oil to timber, exporting money abroad,”

                Typical behavior of an addict, dragging everything from the apartment, if only enough for a dose.
          3. +3
            10 March 2020 10: 45
            No, I don’t think, firstly, for some reason this construction site is extremely poorly promoted, like other construction sites, have you heard anything about ZapSibNefteKhim, or the Amur Gas Processing Plant, etc., or how many school places were created in 2019? According to the federal media, all this is silent, although according to your logic they should yell from each iron, and secondly, I don’t see any connection between the amendments to the constitution and the PR of the successes of the authorities! It's rather the opposite!
      2. +1
        9 March 2020 17: 00
        There is such an option, play on emotions ....
        But the shipbuilding topic is a long game, and information can be found from any direction, so I urge, as always, to calmly figure out where the real facts are and where the fantasies of those who need it are.
        Nobody has been able to cancel common sense yet! Therefore, we collect "brains in a bunch" and study the documents !!!
        Those who want to make a choice consciously ... and the rest, all sorts, you can’t make them, after all, tear them away from ... your favorite occupations and will be enlightened at the expense of the laws by which we have to live.
        This then begins OH and AH, that them again and again! But, the train is the one to run after it will be useless.
      3. +2
        9 March 2020 18: 53
        Honest citizen than
        you do not like these amendments?
        https://youtu.be/zLqDOUWh6kY
        1. -2
          9 March 2020 20: 07
          When the term of the presidency and the term of the deputy were changed, no one asked anyone. Why is this question - about the status of the Russian language surfaced only now, and why it cannot be solved in the same way as it was decided with the term of the presidency and parliament?
          1. -4
            9 March 2020 23: 56
            Are you a typical one hundred percent demagogue with whom there is no sense in arguing from the very beginning, what did you do in real life? Have you served in the army? Have you done something material? Probably you are bummed or how can you now trade?
            1. -5
              9 March 2020 23: 59
              Andrei ...
              My child ... I have several discoveries in metallurgy technology, several publications in international journals, reserve lieutenant (military department) ... Material? Well, the plane did not, the tank, too ...
              So calm your ardor ...
              Who is it? what did you do? Traded? :) laughing
              1. -3
                10 March 2020 00: 12
                But your upbringing is zero, reserve lieutenant, cathedral, apparently you didn’t learn to communicate with the older ones by assignment, from the word at all, now it’s probably too late, but I won’t list what I’ve done in life, to understand this for you, here is the true technical intelligentsia, and here is how you are, everything is wrong for you, everything is bad, and your honesty is in doubt
                1. -2
                  10 March 2020 00: 14
                  Those. Do you consider your initial communication the height of verbal elegance and culture?
                  What have you done in life? Yes, I purple I KNOW what I have done in life - that’s enough for me.
                  Poking around in yours, I'm sorry ... I will not ...
                  I guess, or how can you now trade?

                  You are not even responsible for such words ...
                  EdRo?
                  1. +4
                    10 March 2020 02: 26
                    Sorry to interfere with your courtesy exchange hi
                    I'm just wildly wondering - what is "senior on assignment"? Are you special agents?
          2. +1
            10 March 2020 10: 56
            Have you noticed only one question with the Russian language? Because the introduction of these amendments into the basic law of the country is a completely different level of solution to this issue!
  4. -3
    9 March 2020 19: 05
    All power to Gazprom. Urya!
    1. 0
      9 March 2020 19: 44
      Quote: NordUral
      All power to Gazprom. Urya!

      Are you ill? You get well soon, please
      1. -3
        10 March 2020 13: 19
        You need to recover, Mitroha.
  5. 0
    9 March 2020 20: 09
    Tankers are also good, but as time shows, it’s time to take care of the pipe-laying vessels - because of American sanctions, the world's available do not agree to work for Rosneft and Gazprom.
    1. +6
      10 March 2020 00: 39
      Quote: Waldemaras
      it's time to take care of the pipe-laying vessels -

      Excuse me, then salt them, or what? request Or a dozen a year on a conveyor belt? This vessel is a piece product, and in large quantities it is completely unnecessary. At the moment, "we had it with us," and in the future, as necessary, the issue will be resolved. By the way, now "Chersky" is quietly drifting to its destination (most likely, with a call to us in St. Petersburg), and at this stage, accompanied by the ICR "Yaroslav the Wise", and with AIS disabled - just in case (pirates and all that ). They will go, of course, through the Red Sea and the Suez Canal. Let it be for now. hi
      1. +1
        10 March 2020 18: 46
        We didn't have it with us. Because why? Why waste MONEY upkeep of some wicked steamer? Then, SUDDENLY, we decided to start building pipelines. And, like real managers, they hired professionals who, what a bad luck, somehow manage to operate these vessels without Gazprom. Then, again, like every winter, SUDDENLY, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE WORLD, WITHOUT ANALOGUES, the event happened .... Sanctions. And all the steamers disappeared somewhere. And under the horse in peacetime, "in an atmosphere of the strictest secrecy," the academician hobbles from the Far East to Europe. Already changing the course and not going to Singapore, where the builders had to shaman him. Already after Lanka, he turned off the trance, so that they would not track it ... Now, it remains to fly over Suez under cover of night. And by the way, who will shaman him? And then he, according to rumors))), grenades of the wrong system ...
        1. +3
          10 March 2020 20: 20
          Quote: frog
          who will be a shaman?

          to St. Petersburg at one of the St. Petersburg shipbuilding plants of the USC for the installation of welding and technological equipment of a well-known European company that won the tender and has its own production site in the Leningrad Region. The ship also has to undergo medium repairs of the main propulsion system, screw and shaft chassis, which under Nakhodka SRH is impossible to do. On February 7, an announcement appeared that Gazprom Fleet had completed a tender on February 5 for retrofitting the pipe layer. The company did not provide the names of the participants, but indicated that there were three. Moreover, the winner was the one who submitted the documents on January 30, when the competition was extended. Previously, applications were accepted until January 16. The future contractor proposed to carry out work for 831 million rubles - 42 million rubles cheaper than the estimated cost.
          According to the technical documentation of the tender, after retrofitting, the vessel’s productivity should be at least 120-160 joints per day and calculated based on the conditions of round-the-clock operation of four welding posts. In other words, the vessel should lay per day from one and a half to two kilometers of the gas pipeline. At the same time, Academician Chersky is the only one of the three vessels suitable for the construction of the Baltic gas pipeline that has a dynamic positioning system. It was not required by the Danish regulator, but it is provided for in the permit for laying in the Danish economic zone in the Baltic Sea, so that ammunition lying on the bottom since World War II was not caught during work.
          1. -1
            10 March 2020 22: 03
            Mercy is awful)))) That's just ..... "At the same time, Akademik Chersky is the only one of the three vessels suitable for the construction of the Baltic gas pipeline, which has a dynamic positioning system." Is it all over the world? Or is it our effective managers?
            1. +4
              10 March 2020 23: 03
              Quote: frog
              worldwide? Or is it with our effective managers?

              Our all. "Fortune" and "Defender" with anchor.
              1. +2
                10 March 2020 23: 13
                Tady oh))) But thanks. That is, except for barges - only the Academician .... Cool. And you are right - why do we need them?
                1. +3
                  10 March 2020 23: 27
                  Quote: frog
                  why do we need them?

                  Duc, not all at once - needs in terms of ships and ships, good and different, to the point of foolishness. Here I had to choose: "buzz or more". And, again, and again - a piece goods, however. Well, they will pack SP-2 (one way or another they will reach it), and then what projects are there? request Not the Poles to take it ...
                  1. +3
                    10 March 2020 23: 48
                    It is clear that not all at once. First Eclipse, and then Chersky. It would just be funny if the opponent in the Big Game-2 sometimes included brains. For everyone has a problem with this matter. (Some, however, have no particular problems with money))). And Chersky (3 pah) suddenly broke? Next time, maybe they’ll find a brainy one .....
                    1. +3
                      10 March 2020 23: 51
                      Quote: frog
                      can be found brainy .....

                      At this point "who did not hide - I am not to blame." Yes laughing
                      1. 0
                        11 March 2020 08: 42
                        Razi someone blames you?))) You don’t steer the aforementioned bodies ..... And, by the way, "Power of Siberia" SUDDENLY, a preventive shutdown was needed. Which must (sic!) Be mentioned in the news feel
                      2. +4
                        11 March 2020 09: 34
                        Quote: frog
                        Well you do not steer the mentioned organs

                        So, I meant taxiing. laughing
                      3. 0
                        11 March 2020 10: 07
                        Well, glory to Him .... And then all of a sudden, SUDDENLY, I had the opportunity to chat with one of these fabulous .... but I didn’t know?))) Although I talked with a little less fabulous. And given the growth of fabulousness along with career growth - it’s scary to imagine what's up there recourse
        2. 0
          10 March 2020 21: 31
          A colleague, frog, here our “effective” ones managed a great deal and at the same time set up their patron.
          1. +1
            10 March 2020 22: 51
            Well, the titanic successes of this tribe are well known wink And since I'm a little aware of how the design of boxes for the Star is going on, and how things are going on on the Star itself - there are no doubts in this place for me. As in many others, however, as with the same long-suffering icebreaker with such a juicy name lol
  6. -1
    9 March 2020 20: 51
    The construction of new shipyards is definitely good. Although very expensive. But this is a strategic issue. Although SIGNIFICANTly, it seems, it is better and easier to get them in New Russia, yes, having repaired, started. However, it seems to be a lot more complicated ...
    1. +3
      10 March 2020 06: 37
      So began to build the Star before the events in Ukraine
  7. 0
    9 March 2020 21: 09
    zashib .. so oil and gas workers live in a "parallel state"? They have money for such large-scale projects. But at the same time we are racking our brains where to make massive UDCs, destroyers and cruisers. As a result, something like, something there ... but in fact, the refusal of their construction..type mosquito fleet will manage. Now they will start to rub me in that I hare to panic ... the economy is more important ... we need to trade, not fight. Yes, only the loot flows into private pockets and then settles in offshores and banks of our enemy countries, and we will get rid of it. And as for the enemies and the war ... they say we are not in a war with anyone. And you see, over the past 60 years, someone declared war on someone, as officially as the First World War? Did the Americans send their diplomat to Belgrade, Baghdad or Tripoli with this news? It turns out that he has declared war - a matter purely within the state and political ... they say the politicians are fighting ... and the hucksters cut the loot. Are sanctions not a war? And do not care what is hot, cold, oil or economic - but this is a war. Accordingly, attacks against us on any "front" must be answered. But taking into account the specifics - that we will make war - these are wars of special forces, specialists, trained people, and not reservists and the militia - if someone says that take a machine gun and go fight. No, modern war is a struggle of specialists. And as we lived somewhere far from the front, but being sick and worried about ours there, we will continue this - each has its own war.
    1. +6
      9 March 2020 22: 23
      do not you understand that at these capacities it will be possible to build large ships for the Navy?)))
  8. +5
    9 March 2020 21: 56
    When "our Trump" promises new sanctions, how long will the "partners" be involved in the project?
  9. IC
    +1
    9 March 2020 22: 13
    The problem is that the construction time, and especially the cost of the ships
    uncompetitive in the region. Therefore, only Russian companies can be customers. The state is forced to subsidize the difference in value. Information on the organization of the production of certain types of garden equipment is not entirely true. This is still a long way off. Of course, staffing issues in this region can be a key issue.
  10. -3
    9 March 2020 23: 31
    For a hundred parts to the Far East, no one will go from St. Petersburg. That's bullshit. Three thousand dollars ... no less.
  11. +2
    10 March 2020 00: 07
    They are still building in Murmansk, although they say that there will be "islands" for gas production.
  12. -2
    10 March 2020 08: 16
    Really touched? Nevertheless, we decided to raise the country from its knees! So little by little, you look, and the rivers come to life, and the plants begin to build and give people work ...
    Now, secondary specialized education will need to be restored in all its past volume and grandeur, because without working hands there will be nothing, it’s not in a white collar with a tablet in hand, here you need to do business.
    We assume that the first step has begun to be taken, here are still managers who were effective with a filthy broom from everywhere.
  13. +1
    10 March 2020 08: 54
    Quote: Insurgent
    Then, in the Russian budget, only mice were found, and perhaps they just didn’t hang themselves ...

    No, 20 years ago, money was already pouring into the budget. It's time to start working. But, the king built a vertical based on corruption and mutual responsibility. Not until the construction they had. And now it’s not very.
  14. +3
    10 March 2020 10: 11
    Good day to all. Here in Primorye, we read a lot of VO and write a little. I saw separate phrases from local, but more often from the top link or custom-made. From the comments I see that the people here are mainly from the West. But according to the reviews, they got the gist exactly - the personnel issue with us is the main one. Then I give my article on this topic in the print version, about the problems of construction, territory and personnel. The review is superficial, because otherwise the book will have to be written https://primamedia.ru/news/917318/
  15. +1
    11 March 2020 05: 48
    A huge shipyard, advanced technologies, huge and complex ships powered by any fuel are all of course nice to see and hear about, but what is the ultimate goal of all these expensive enterprises? And the ultimate goal is simple - to quickly and in large quantities to export the natural resources of Russia, the money for which will be stored in no one knows where, it will be controlled by nobody and who will go for what. Although something about the direction of movement of possible new revenues can be assumed.
    Does Russia really need to increase an already considerable cash inflow from outside?
    Are there any other tasks that are more significant in terms of increasing public welfare?
    For example, we have problems with machine tools.

    https://www.informdom.com/novosti/rossiiskoe-stankostroenie-sostoyanie-i-perspektivy.html

    Metallurgy "has reached the handle", in Russia they have forgotten how to smelt good metal

    https://svpressa.ru/economy/article/247977/

    There are big problems with the production of modern bearings

    https://expert.ru/expert/2019/44/vagonyi-shodyat-s-rolikov/

    And the government throws huge resources at increasing the export of natural resources.
    Is it correct?
    1. +1
      11 March 2020 17: 15
      All right. From me, plus.
  16. -3
    11 March 2020 10: 44
    This news is not the first year, the essence is different - the "oil and gas system" builds for its own purposes (platforms, tankers, etc.) ... and for the rest they will most likely build on a leftover principle.
    1. -4
      11 March 2020 11: 22
      the truth is often not polite ...
      especially when there is no worthy opponent)
  17. +2
    12 March 2020 12: 01
    Based on how the Kremlin’s managers arrived with Siberia, they sleep and see how to do this with everything else! Joint ventures say? Then everything will be in their hands and will be sold!