Cradle of giants


By order of the Government of the Russian Federation of October 28.10.2019, 2553 No. 2035-r, a strategy for the development of the shipbuilding industry for the period until 170 was approved. According to the approved strategy, in the shipbuilding industry, the main problem is the shortage of construction and launching facilities for the mass production of large-tonnage ships and vessels, which has a significant impact on the timing of their construction. Only a few domestic shipyards are capable of building civilian vessels longer than XNUMX meters.


On the basis of the enterprises of JSC Far East Center for Shipbuilding and Ship Repair, PJSC NK Rosneft together with JSC Gazprombank and JSC Rosneftegaz in the city of Bolshoi Kamen, a unique shipbuilding complex Zvezda is being created and a program for creating a shipbuilding cluster in the Russian Far East is being actively implemented .

The costs of building a shipyard designed to produce large-capacity vessels, ice-class vessels with a displacement of up to 350 thousand tons, special vessels and other types of marine equipment are estimated at 202 billion rubles.

An industrial group of enterprises is being formed next to the new shipyard for the production of ship components. Joint ventures were created with foreign companies in order to acquire competencies and subsequent localization of production in Russia. Currently, the first phase of the shipyard is commissioned and operating: an open heavy outfit slipway, a hull production block, a block assembly workshop, a saturation and modular assembly workshop, a pipe-processing and mechanical assembly workshop, paint booths, and a helical-steering column plant. A 110-meter Goliath gantry crane with a lifting capacity of 1200 tons, built in China, is installed on an open heavy outfitting slipway, which is capable of moving ready-made blocks to the ship's hull, and its two smaller brothers - gantry cranes with a lifting capacity of 320 tons. It should be noted that no domestic shipyard has gantry cranes with a lifting capacity of over 500 tons.













Among the facilities under construction in the second stage, a special place is occupied by the dry dock. Its dimensions: 485 × 114 × 15. There is no similar dry dock in the Russian Federation. The general contractor for the construction of the dry dock is the Chinese construction corporation China Communications Construction Company Limited. A second Goliath gantry crane, already two-girder, is installed on the pre-dock site, on which commissioning is being completed.









Currently, the shipyard is working on concreting walls and service galleries of the dry dock, dumping artificial land, construction of freight and outfitting embankments, as well as warehouses for outfitting and auxiliary workshops. A batoport is under construction - a special shutter installed to isolate the inside of the dry dock from sea water.

The production program of the Zvezda shipbuilding complex was developed until 2035 and has 178 units of ships and marine equipment of various types. 39 ships ordered to date. At the same time, the main load of the shipyard is provided by Rosneft PJSC, which placed an order for 28 vessels.

In February 2020, the Zvezda shipbuilding complex began cutting metal for the fifth large-capacity tanker of the Aframax type (Average Freight Rate Assessment) with a deadweight of 114 thousand tons. The tanker will be 250 meters long and 44 meters wide. The tanker will operate on fuel oil, diesel fuel and liquefied gas. The creation of such high-tech vessels at a domestic shipyard is necessary for the revival of the industrial and transport potential of Russia.

The tanker St. Petersburg (the first of the Aframax series) is scheduled to be launched in 2020. Since the construction at the shipyard has not been completed and the full production cycle has not been worked out, competencies have not been fully acquired, the St. Petersburg tanker was built almost completely (with the exception of the small bow block of the hull) in South Korea by Hyundai Heavy Industries and with the help of the China, a floating transport and transfer dock with a lifting capacity of 40000 tons has been lifted to an open shipyard slipway. The bow block was assembled at the Zvezda shipbuilding complex from separate sections, which were also made in South Korea and subsequently delivered to Big Stone. After docking the bow block with the rest of the vessel, the tanker will be launched.

As new workshops are opened, localization will increase and competence will be developed, new personnel will be trained and trained at the shipyards of South Korea, the proportion of independently performed work will be increased, production chains will be debugged.

Currently, the number of employees of the Zvezda shipbuilding complex has reached 3500. Upon completion of the construction of the shipyard, the number of employees should increase to 7500 people. In the future, in the Russian Far East, a branch of heavy civilian shipbuilding will appear.
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  1. Nehist 9 March 2020 15: 04 New
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    The news is certainly good. But I wonder where they will take the frames? The outflow of the population is progressing.
    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin 9 March 2020 15: 17 New
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      Do you have numbers on population outflows? By the way, the article says where they are going to prepare the shots!
    2. smart ass 9 March 2020 15: 22 New
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      And I’m more interested why 20 years ago it was impossible to build such a shipyard
      1. BREAKTHROUGH READY 9 March 2020 16: 17 New
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        20 years ago, no one could have imagined that LNG ships would be in demand.
        1. smart ass 9 March 2020 16: 39 New
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          Why immediately cng? We could start building container ships and tankers like Korean deo
          1. BREAKTHROUGH READY 9 March 2020 17: 32 New
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            Container carriers carry trading companies; in the history of trade, Russia did not work out. Just like that, no one will let you carry other people's goods from foreign ports raking in money.
            Korea first began to make goods for export, and only then ships went to ensure these exports.
        2. Insurgent 10 March 2020 08: 15 New
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          Quote: BREAKTHROUGH READY
          20 years ago


          Then, in the Russian budget, only mice were found, and perhaps they just didn’t hang themselves ...
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      3. Mitroha 9 March 2020 19: 33 New
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        Quote: Clever man
        And I’m more interested why 20 years ago it was impossible to build such a shipyard

        20 years ago, the second Chechen one was what construction sites of the shipyards, what shisha, the question was about the unity of the Russian Federation within the existing borders. Everything is quickly forgotten from you.
        1. seregarodionov 10 March 2020 00: 41 New
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          20 years ago, except for Chechnya, everything was fine fine marquise
        2. Insurgent 10 March 2020 08: 35 New
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          Quote: Mitroha
          Everything is quickly forgotten from you.

          +!
      4. maidan.izrailovich 10 March 2020 04: 12 New
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        And I’m more interested why 20 years ago it was impossible to build such a shipyard

        How old are you, that you don’t remember (or don’t know) what happened in the country 20 years ago. The country came to life after a gang of drunk Yeltsin. What shipyards then? To feed.
        1. smart ass 10 March 2020 05: 16 New
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          In 1945, the most destructive war in the history of mankind ended, and in 1961 they sent man into space the first in the world. 16 years have passed from the destroyed country to the sending of man into space. Attention question in 2000 was worse than 1945?
          1. Mitroha 10 March 2020 06: 24 New
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            In 1945 there were not enough workers, and in 2000 jobs, you understand the difference?
            By 1945, industry had taken an unprecedented rate of production, all that remained was to redirect it to peaceful purposes.
            By 2000, most industries were idle for one reason or another or ceased to exist.
            1. pin_code 11 March 2020 13: 42 New
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              there were not many reasons. only one.
          2. maidan.izrailovich 10 March 2020 07: 28 New
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            Attention question in 2000 was worse than 1945?

            Yes. Because most leaders of all ranks have sold their souls the devil the dollar. And still there are many. Therefore, there are no successes like those that our ancestors had.
            1. Serg65 10 March 2020 08: 24 New
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              Quote: maidan.izrailovich
              Therefore, there are no successes like those that our ancestors had.

              what I propose to shoot a couple of tens of thousands, a hundred thousand to the camps during construction of the century! Well, that success was .. like the ancestors!
              1. pin_code 11 March 2020 13: 43 New
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                but I do not mind. benefit candidates more than your numbers.
                1. Serg65 11 March 2020 14: 56 New
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                  Quote: pin_code
                  There are more candidates than your numbers.

                  what I even suspect that the numbers will be much higher than the number of candidates you selected!
              2. pin_code 11 March 2020 13: 43 New
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                and even put you a plus.
        2. nickname7 10 March 2020 09: 20 New
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          The country came to life after a gang of drunk Yeltsin. What shipyards then? To feed.

          In your opinion, the gang temporarily attacked the Russian Federation? Do you know, but the guarantor, the EBN protege, this gang is still in power now.
    3. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 9 March 2020 16: 26 New
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      Quote: Nehist
      But I wonder where they will take the frames? The outflow of the population is progressing.

      There is a publication on the recruitment theme “87 thousand a month and an apartment: how Sechin sucks personnel from St. Petersburg for a shipyard in the Far East”
      link https://www.fontanka.ru/2019/04/12/134/
      In April 2019, employees were promised an average salary of 87 thousand rubles and 100% housing provision. Mostly recruited employees of the Admiralty Shipyards and Northern Shipyard.
      An engineer immediately after the institute, without experience, gets over 40 thousand. Leading engineers - 70 - 80 thousand. Welder-assemblers on average receive from 40 to 100 thousand rubles, depending on the category. Even the cleaning lady gets twenty-five. Weekends are paid, overtime is paid, ”he explained. - If the salary is not satisfied, then they can consider the issue of individual surcharge - if only the specialist was good. Do you have a Far Eastern coefficient? Six months, while you work it out, they will compensate, and this is 30% of the salary. So you decided to move, say, from St. Petersburg, you are a welder. You are immediately paid for tickets, baggage, transportation of your furniture and everything else, your family’s flight. Then they give you 31 thousand rubles. And then you still have a fund of 300 thousand rubles. You can spend it on your own. You bought a refrigerator, brought the check to the factory - they returned it from your salary. I bought a sofa, took the check, the cost came to you. Now the second program is planned, for especially valuable workers and managers and workers with large families - they plan to allocate 1 million rubles to them. All employees are provided with new housing.
      1. Marine engineer 9 March 2020 21: 29 New
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        That is, instead of training local staff with the necessary specialists (designers, technologists, mechanics, ship builders) from central Russia, they will work on the principle of “Trishkin's caftan” to recruit workers in St. Petersburg when they come and realize that they were deceived , will begin to recruit Severodvintsev, and when those eyes open, they will begin to follow Murmonchan.
        1. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 21: 40 New
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          Quote: Marine engineer
          when they arrive and realize that they were deceived

          Where does the idea that they are necessarily deceived?
          1. Marine engineer 9 March 2020 22: 50 New
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            "Where does the idea that they are necessarily deceived?"

            Because everything that “effective managers” touch is transformed into a guano.
            1. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 23: 00 New
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              Quote: Marine engineer
              everything that “effective managers” touch turns into a guano

              Clear. Previously, mermaids, goblins and brownies were to blame for everything, but now they are “effective managers”.

              The similarity is that both before and now - none of those who spoke about them live yes

              Man, in this mood you can’t sell an elephant. And really, why move your legs and arms when all the same the managers will spoil everything? Well, what can I say ... also a position laughing
              1. Marine engineer 9 March 2020 23: 42 New
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                Well, I’ll decipher well: “effective managers are highly placed officials who, without a basic education, are set up, unfortunately, to manage our industries, but their mind and knowledge are not enough to understand what they manage and they simply can’t cope with the tasks at the epicenter of which they are. Now it is clear?
                1. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 23: 45 New
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                  Quote: Marine engineer
                  Now you understand?

                  Yes, from the very beginning it was clear. Only at the factory is the owner a director, not a "high manager". A good employee will always find a job for himself. And yet - under the lying lieutenant, vodka does not flow (folk).
                  1. Honest Citizen 10 March 2020 01: 31 New
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                    Golovan, I see, you were “landed” here as well? :)
                    Twice dipping in guano will teach you something, interesting or not ...
                  2. Marine engineer 10 March 2020 07: 46 New
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                    “Only at the plant is the owner a director, not a“ high manager. " A good employee will always find a job for himself. ”

                    Unfortunately, I can only answer in the evening. In order not to “shoe” twice, I suggest that you speak in more detail about the management in the “legal proceedings” and personnel policy, so as to reveal the whole “potential” so to speak, and I will try to rid you of illusions.
                    1. Golovan Jack 10 March 2020 08: 07 New
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                      Quote: Marine engineer
                      and I will try to save you from illusions

                      Thank you, you have already done this:

                      Quote: Marine engineer
                      Therefore, the leading experts on whom the plant management should rely in their work when fulfilling contract terms, mastering new equipment and technologies, are initially planned to be kept in a “black body” humiliating them with a lower salary than workers

                      70-80 sput for the leader - this is undoubtedly a humiliation. And much less than the welder (plug 40 - 100).

                      Further it’s even somehow uninteresting request
                      1. Marine engineer 10 March 2020 20: 26 New
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                        “Thank you, you have already done this:”

                        Well, I don’t want to.
                2. efimich41 10 March 2020 21: 08 New
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                  Not all effective managers are as dumb as you think. Meet and real ENGINEERS. For example, L.P.Beria was an architect by training, but taking into account modern concepts he was an effective manager and all the tasks before him were solved efficiently and quickly.
                  1. Marine engineer 10 March 2020 21: 41 New
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                    We are talking about "effective managers" of modern Russia and not the USSR
            2. Kisa 10 March 2020 02: 02 New
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              Big stone is soooo Zadrischensk .... A very depressing place. Settlement until recently. Although on the weekend you can dangle in Vladik. And yet I still don’t understand such giants as PSRZ NSRZ were killed. Dalzavod in each of 20 thousand people worked with slip docks and there were an order of magnitude more people in Vlad Nakhodka with all the gas processing stations ... And now they are trying to build something in the open field .. If Rosneft is Sovcomflot St. Petersburg. The Korean STX or Hyundai Panamaxes all their aframaxes are lowered in 9 months and no one will beat their price. Here's how it says the tank’s lure and all the convention brand inside from there
              1. phair 10 March 2020 05: 43 New
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                The maximum deadweight of what Dalzavod could pull is the Rurik cruiser. Minsk was not just written off. There were no repair facilities. A military repair plant (closer to the center) works. Some kind of marshal has been tricked lately.
              2. maidan.izrailovich 10 March 2020 07: 57 New
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                ... killed such giants as PSRZ NSRZ Dalzavod ....

                Well, in the NSRZ, life is still a greenhouse. And the rest you are absolutely right.
              3. johnson-73 10 March 2020 14: 09 New
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                In 1989, Big Stone became a city of regional subordination.

                So no need for "until recently"
                As for the "depressing place" also do not fill. I live here and do not see anything depressing.
                It’s 1.5-2 hours to Vladik if you are lucky to drive without traffic jams. If you are not lucky, then in 5 hours you can. But this is trash.
                How to complete the section of the Vladivostok-Nakhodka-Port Vostochny highway, in general, you can get there in 50 minutes
          2. Nosgoth 11 March 2020 15: 25 New
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            A fresh example, you don’t even have to go far. And this is a federal construction site.
            https://www.newsvl.ru/vlad/2020/03/11/188377/

            The same situation was with Rosneft, which Dalzavod in Vladivostok bought up and told how it is useful for Primorye. As a result, newcomers work on Rosneft's contract work (they don’t let locals in, no matter what qualifications they have), taxes go to Moscow, and salaries to other regions ... nothing for Vladivostok and Primorye. Although there is for Primorye - Dalzavod collapsed. All! This is capitalism, nothing personal, only money. But how they sang in their ears that this would give an impetus to Primorye ... Everything will be the same with the Star.
        2. Dima 27 9 March 2020 22: 11 New
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          Murmanchan! This is firstly, and secondly, here in Murmansk, we are also building a shipyard for the assembly of various platforms (drilling, oil, etc.)
        3. Honest Citizen 10 March 2020 01: 30 New
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          Hey, tell sedition :) Putin and Sechin are not mistaken ....
          And window dressing is a window dress in Africa ...
          Zatupintsy - ay, where are you?
        4. johnson-73 10 March 2020 14: 03 New
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          At the location of the shipyard, the construction of a training center for her has begun. So everything is provided for, and the luring of specialists from other enterprises is only at the first stage of providing workforce.
        5. ser56 10 March 2020 14: 42 New
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          Quote: Marine engineer
          train field staff

          it's a few years ... request By the way, with SV it was also ...
          1. Marine engineer 10 March 2020 22: 39 New
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            There will be no factory without this.
      2. Nehist 9 March 2020 21: 50 New
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        Dear Aristarchus !!! Do you believe that people from St. Petersburg will go to a regular town with a population of 38000 people to hell with horns? Where are the prices for everything one and a half to two times higher? Hard to believe, the population with the Far East mainly flees
        1. phair 10 March 2020 05: 39 New
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          An hour by car to Vladivostok. The population is decreasing, but not running. From Peter, too, at first they fled;)
          1. maidan.izrailovich 10 March 2020 07: 59 New
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            An hour by car to Vladivostok.

            On the dead road. Which is either being repaired or modernized all the time.
            1. phair 10 March 2020 15: 45 New
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              You move to us, or remove the cross. The track to Nakhodka is dug further.
        2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 15 March 2020 14: 32 New
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          Quote: Nehist
          Do you believe that people from St. Petersburg will go to a regular town with a population of 38000 people to hell with horns? Where are the prices for everything one and a half to two times higher? Hard to believe, the population with the Far East mainly flees

          Alexander hi I can’t predict the migration of personnel, life will show. As for faith, I'm not at that age to believe. About 10 years, it will obviously take years to train personnel for the shipyard.
      3. Marine engineer 9 March 2020 23: 17 New
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        Dear Aristarchus, the accuracy in the formation of the personnel policy is already visible in the phrase you quoted “Leading engineers - 70–80 thousand. "Welders-assemblers on average receive from 40 to 100 thousand rubles, depending on the category."
        Consequently, the leading specialists on whom the plant management should rely in their work when fulfilling contract terms and mastering new equipment and technologies are initially planned to be kept in a “black body” while humiliating them with less salaries than workers. I believe that with this approach, none of the efficient specialists, Work for five soldiers, they won’t go there, and without good specialists the director and the workers can do nothing good.
        1. pin_code 11 March 2020 13: 51 New
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          Already 8 people believe that you are wrong. I personally wouldn’t go for 100tys if it weren’t for extra buns. but a plus from me.
      4. nickname7 10 March 2020 09: 55 New
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        how Sechin sucks shots from St. Petersburg for a shipyard in the Far East

        This is one of the basic methods of the capitalists, as he listened to an audiobook for a long time, one businessman (Trump) businessman, as he boasted about recruiting personnel from competitors in the hotel business
        And by the way, in the future, competition for personnel leads to an increase in salaries.
    4. Victor N 9 March 2020 19: 08 New
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      So much whining that there is no work - so go ahead! Do not miss the chance!
    5. g1v2 9 March 2020 23: 32 New
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      From Peter, they lure him. They offer more salaries to those who are ready to move.
    6. phair 10 March 2020 05: 38 New
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      Will be delivered. In Terneyles Ukrainians, 80%. With any political upheaval, no difference for New Russia or for the Nazis, dismissal and deportation. Quiet. I think, from Yuzhmash and Nikolaev will go.
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  2. Radikal 9 March 2020 15: 10 New
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    Joint ventures were created with foreign companies with the aim of acquiring competencies and subsequent localization of production in Russia.
    Shchaz-zz - they rushed straight ahead, stumbling to share competencies .... sad
    1. Victor N 9 March 2020 19: 11 New
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      So after all - CREATED!
    2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 9 March 2020 19: 34 New
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      Quote: Radikal
      stumbling to share competencies ...

      For example, R-70046 is a series of Arctic tankers with an azipod propulsion system, built in the zero years at Admiralty Shipyards LLC. A joint project of the Finnish company Aker Arctic Technology and the Russian Admiralty Shipyards LLC. Deadweight - 70 tons., 000 m longer than the Aframax, which is being built at the Zvezda shipbuilding complex.
      1. frog 10 March 2020 08: 28 New
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        And why is the "super" azipode practically? Did he suddenly need increased maneuverability?
        1. frog 10 March 2020 19: 07 New
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          But the minusers are not destined to just say that he goes forward in the ice stern? repeat
    3. Mitroha 9 March 2020 19: 40 New
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      Radikal
      So after all, competencies are not only documentation and best practices, they are also, and not least, EXPERIENCE. And his existing generation, oh, how not enough. The gap between the generations of workers and engineers has affected
      So they will receive it
    4. nickname7 10 March 2020 10: 03 New
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      Shchaz-zz - they rushed straight ahead, stumbling to share competencies

      According to the principle of screwdriver assembly.
      According to the article, the body, in addition to the nose, was built in Korea, brought and put on a slipway. The nose section is also Korean.
      1. Marine engineer 10 March 2020 20: 32 New
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        Exactly. Took off the tongue.
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        Quote: nickname7
        According to the principle of screwdriver assembly.
        According to the article, the body, in addition to the nose, was built in Korea, brought and put on a slipway. The nose section is also Korean.

        And in any other way it will not work. In order to build everything on the spot, it is necessary to provide the plant with rental, but no one thought about it. It will not be possible to transport it along the Trans-Siberian Railway, if it is only purchased in Korea or China, and in this case it will be cheaper to transport it in a cut-out form or in ready-made sections, so that completion is the maximum that the plant is capable of. Such production should be planned carefully, and not abruptly.
  3. rocket757 9 March 2020 15: 32 New
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    When / if everything works out .... in general, work is going on, we will see when the result is.
    1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 16: 13 New
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      Victor, in anticipation of a vote on amendments to the current government, we need any, albeit miserable, success. Which they inflate to incredible sizes.
      1. Uncle Vanya Susanin 9 March 2020 16: 57 New
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        Excuse me, I can’t catch the thread of your logic, what side is the “Star” and voting for amendment?
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 9 March 2020 17: 08 New
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          Voting with the construction of the shipyard is in no way connected. The Zvezda shipbuilding plant has been under construction in the city of Bolshoy Kamen of the Primorsky Territory since 2009. This is a long term project. Initially, the project was created and started to be implemented by the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) and the South Korean shipbuilding company Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering Co. (DSME, a division of Daewoo). Subsequently, in 2012, DSME withdrew from the project, and USC lost a package of 75% minus two shares of the Far Eastern Center for Shipbuilding and Ship Repair (DCSS, including the Zvezda shipyard and a number of other shipbuilding sites) to the Modern Shipbuilding Technologies consortium created by Gazprombank and Rosneft ". I cited the Discovery Channel movie at the end of the publication.
          1. Uncle Vanya Susanin 9 March 2020 18: 51 New
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            I am in the know, thank you, but I asked the question "Honest Citizen", because I can’t catch the logic in his comment!
        2. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 18: 55 New
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          Ivan.
          What are the successes in power? Really - no. From the word at all. Therefore, now any project, any construction site, will be presented to the media controlled by the authorities as "the great power of the paramogue." Don't you think so?
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            Quote: Honest Citizen
            What are the successes in power? Really - no. From the word completely

            Weak statement, even purely formal. To break? wink
            1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 19: 02 New
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              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Quote: Honest Citizen
              What are the successes in power? Really - no. From the word completely

              Weak statement, even purely formal. To break? wink

              Break it. If you do not want here - you can dash in PM.
              1. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 19: 04 New
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                Quote: Honest Citizen
                Break it. If you do not want to here - you can dash in PM

                Well, why? The people should know their heroes ... I, if you are, know me well enough here. Where do we start? Politics, economics? wink
                1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 19: 07 New
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                  And we will start with domestic policy, which is inextricably linked with the economy and production. If you don't mind. laughing
                  And let’s leave foreign policy for a snack.
                  1. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 19: 08 New
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                    Quote: Honest Citizen
                    And we will start with domestic policy, which is inextricably linked with the economy and production

                    Accepted. What exactly in it, internal, does not suit you?
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                    2. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 19: 21 New
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                      Allow.
                      I wrote above - that the authorities have no achievements, and you undertook to break this statement. The ball is then in your half of the field.
                      Well, if you really need it.
                      Medicine, education, science, economic growth over 20 years of Putin, the commodity economy by 80%. The excess of mortality over fertility.
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                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        I wrote above - that the authorities have no achievements, and you undertook to break this statement. The ball is then in your half of the field

                        OK, accepted.

                        You see, I consider it to be undoubted successes, for example, the very preservation of a single RF (after Yeltsin’s “take sovereignty, how much you will take away”), the restoration of the army and the forces of law and order ... well, and much more.

                        Do not you think so? wink

                        Everything else - for the second time, there would be no state of the Russian Federation - we would not be sitting on the Internet here now.
                      3. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 19: 29 New
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                        Much more - please expand the answer.
                        Personally, I consider it a complete failure with education, medicine and the economy. In the social sphere - despite attempts, also a failure.
                        What you wrote is undoubtedly important, but the level of corruption in the forces of law and order is going wild. Zakharchenko is the only one worth it, and the summer scandal over the “Golunov case” with a toss of drugs.
                      4. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 19: 36 New
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                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        What you wrote is undoubtedly important

                        Bend one finger.

                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        level of corruption in the forces of law and order - rolls over

                        You see ... important here dynamics. I well remember what the police were like in the 90s, and I know pretty well what the police are now. Now I like it a lot more yes

                        Corruption is not a good thing, but the fact that corrupt officials are caught and drained inspires hope that this phenomenon will be calmed down over time.

                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        summer scandal in the "Golunov case" with a drug uproot

                        In the same 90s it was all the time. And no scandals caused laughing

                        Total - positive dynamics. Which also does not arise by itself, which means that it can be credited to the system. So, or how?
                      5. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 19: 42 New
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                        You see ... dynamics is important here.

                        It seems to me that scale is important here.
                        Corruption is not a good thing, but the fact that corrupt officials are caught and drained inspires hope that this phenomenon will be calmed down over time.

                        For all my dislike of Navalny, I didn’t hear something that, based on the results of his activities at FBK, at least one investigation would be initiated, well, with the exception of FBK employees.
                        Total - the dynamics are positive.

                        I do not see any positive dynamics.
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                        I do not see positive dynamics

                        Clear. What a difficult one you are ... but even though the bandits from the streets disappeared somewhere, did you notice, probably? Just don’t say that they went into power - there were too many of them, everything will not fit there laughing
                      7. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 19: 56 New
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                        but even though the bandits from the streets disappeared somewhere, did you notice, probably?

                        He was on a business trip, in the city of Mines. I went in a taxi, talked with the driver.
                        Bandyukov in the city was removed according to the principle “the thief should be in prison, and it does not matter how I put him there” (c) Almost everyone was taken with drugs.
                        Which, by the way, and the so-called "thieves in law" were found.
                        So about the city of Mines. According to the taxi driver, I have no reason not to believe him - all prostitution in the city is under the cops.
                        And then I had a chance to drink there with one major, from the Ministry of Internal Affairs system. His wife has a business: 5 long-range truckers who carry goods in the region.
                        So, he answered my question: if you stop being a major tomorrow, how long your wife’s business will last, he answered: a maximum of 5 minutes.
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                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Bandyukov in the city was removed according to the principle "the thief should be in prison, and it does not matter how I put him there."

                        This is already particular. The bandits were? Yes. Not now? Well no. Is this an achievement, or an epic fail? wink

                        About the major - it’s not interesting: I have a couple of familiar long-range private owners, and somehow none of them are married to a police major ... they’re guys what to do request
                      9. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 20: 04 New
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                        This is already particular. The bandits were? Yes. Not now? Well no. Is this an achievement, or an epic fail?

                        Hmm ... Interesting, it was necessary to order a girl with reduced social responsibility and ask, with whom did she live better, with bandits or now? laughing
                        Sorry, I didn’t guess.
                        By the way, I heard the opinion of one resident of Yekaterinburg. He had a small business, traded in the market. The opinion is this: under the Uralmashevsky order was more.
                        By the way, what do you think, why Roizman became the mayor there? He rode in the wake of the fight against drugs. Question: what is the militia / police doing here? Tosses?
                        And then what does particular mean. You just rewrite the situation on yourself - you have become objectionable for some reason. You were planted. And you yourself do not use, do not distribute - and you get a piece of gold.
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                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        And then what particular means

                        Particulars are details that do not change the essence of the matter.

                        Another question: as a result of the activities of the authorities, bandits disappeared somewhere. Is it good or bad? wink
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                        Another question: as a result of the activities of the authorities, bandits disappeared somewhere. Is it good or bad?

                        Once again the answer:
                        but is there a difference who controls prostitution?
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                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        but is there a difference who controls prostitution?

                        For me - no, I haven’t, and don’t. laughing

                        But these candidas, they didn’t only “control prostitution,” did they? Did life become calmer when they suddenly disappeared, or not?
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                        Those. Replacing some criminal structures with others is good?
                        Well, if this is good for you, then the "peermoga" is clearly on the face. laughing
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                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Those. Replacing some criminal structures with others is good?

                        By “other criminal structure” do you mean current cops? wink laughing

                        Ay-yai-yay ... and also called "Honest Citizen" called ... did not run into, know, you guys in the 90s never. Well, you did not try other gingerbreads of that time, a campaign. But I tried it, I know.

                        Man, the state has done what the state should have done: it took power into their own hands. And this is certainly an achievement. Bend the second finger or something yes
                      15. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 21: 03 New
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                        In the 90s, I studied, and went to work at the end of the institute only in 1997.
                        Bend the second finger or something

                        Only on the other hand. Because the change of personalities from one crime to other personalities - I can’t attribute it to achievements with a plus sign.
                        And if you recall the events in Kushchevskaya, where for decades the authorities turned a blind eye to Tsapkov’s adventures, and when a gang member later eats crabs in the zone, what kind of power are you talking about? What are you talking about?
                        PySy. I can tell you how the tax “hit” my company at the very beginning of March 2018 :) Believe me, our stories will probably coincide, well, except that the methods are different.
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                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        In the 90s, I studied, and went to work at the end of the institute only in 1997

                        Clear. I will be older request

                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Because the change of personalities from one crime to other personalities - well, I just can’t ascribe to achievements with a plus sign

                        Once again, extreme: in the 90s the police were either under crime, or the crime itself was. There were exceptions, but in 10 years I met this only once. True, the guys really saved my life, for which they were very grateful.

                        Now what they called the "police" is a completely predictable car, CSS is steering. And this is the result of the work of the state, not otherwise. Exceptions - yes, there are, but these are exceptions.

                        In general, on the whole, it is clear that both the current system and those in power are full of shortcomings that, if desired, are easy, ahem, to pedal. But there are flaws in any system, and there were many of them in the Union.

                        Dynamics is important. I see her, and she, in general, suits me. You are probably not, but on this basis, make statements a la "no one does anything useful" and

                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        is there success in power? Really - no. From the word completely

                        - some... recklesslyI would say.

                        Thanks for the lyrics, I finished my report laughing
                      17. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 21: 29 New
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                        Thanks for the lyrics, I finished my report

                        Wait, wait! You didn’t even start the report. Where is the economy? Domestic policy? External?
                        One thing I can say - you are me not even convinced with the police.
                        But there are flaws in any system, and there were many of them in the Union.

                        Nobody argues with this - there are drawbacks. But when their number exceeds the number of positive moments, then there is no need to talk about successes.
                        Okay. Let's move on to the economy.
                        I'm listening to you carefully.
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                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Let's go to the economy

                        Let's get along. You bent one finger, saying:

                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        What you wrote is undoubtedly important

                        Let me remind you - this is about the integrity of the Russian Federation and the army.

                        Quote: Lyrical digression
                        The quantifier of generality in statements is an extremely harmful thing.

                        I undertook to refute only your "what success? yes no. From the word completely"and that is done. Even a single discrepancy" breaks "your statement. Challenge tongue
                      19. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 21: 46 New
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                        Easily.
                        Now, as they say, the time has come for the opponent.
                        Those. you think that when the state fulfills its functions, let me quote:
                        Let me remind you - this is about the integrity of the Russian Federation and the army.

                        Is it already necessary to put in a plus?
                        Let me disagree. The analogies are insidious, but one I still give.
                        Imagine a married couple. If the husband is in this pair, under any pretext ceases to fulfill his marital duty - but he can not count on fresh and hot borsch. But in the end, he’ll also have “horns”.
                        Thus, the state is obliged to ensure its integrity (Damansky, given away by Putin and part of the sea that Medvedev gave to the Norwegians), protection of citizens both from external (sanctions, including WADA against our athletes) and from internal threats (so that you can safely walk through the streets was to walk, and not be afraid that they would give you drugs). Much more can be added here, but for now we will stop at the power block. Those. it turns out that with a plus you think that if the state, and you need to read the power, with grief in half, pushing, trying to "fulfill your conjugal duty" - is that good?
                        “If you have the right to rule,
                        So we have the right to stumble
                        And we can sometimes stumble - how to be -
                        To break Your Majesty against a stone. ”

                        Your point of view is strange.
                        Just imagine such a situation. You are hired, and you have to do, well, say 5 operations. And you do that, with jambs only 2. Are successes waiting for you?
                        Will the employer be satisfied?
                        So you definitely "fail".
                        What did you say there?
                        The country must know its heroes

                        Well, I hope she recognized you.
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                        Everything, the heat started laughing

                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Well, I hope she recognized you

                        I repeat, they know me well here. And those who are friends, and those who, ahem, are not very. But you showed yourself quite clearly, Malady good

                        All cabbage soup-plum. I left the dog for a walk, and to work tomorrow. And I'm already old, and I like to sleep. Good luck yes
                      21. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 21: 56 New
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                        Well what can I tell you ... walk the dog, relax.
                        Good luck. Quite sincerely.
                      22. Uncle Vanya Susanin 10 March 2020 10: 53 New
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                        And about the economy, I can answer you, over the past 20 years it has changed more than, and for the better!
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                        Well, let's talk with you about the economy now. What do you see the improvement in economic performance over 20 years?
                      24. Uncle Vanya Susanin 10 March 2020 15: 44 New
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                        You shared the story of a taxi driver, I will share the story of my family. In the "saints of the 90s" we finished the last horseradish with rutabaga to buy a scuffed dress (sorry for my French) for my sister's graduation, graduation 95g, borrowed money from relatives, and so lived about all our close friends, acquaintances who were rare with the exception of those who fit into the market. Now my sister lives in her apartment, although before this she and her husband rented housing for 5 years, the family has two cars, the husband is a simple hard worker, she herself is on paper work in the cantor, in the 90s we could not even dream of such a thing. My parents retired pensioners now live better than when they worked, yes, Dad is a military pensioner, and mother is a labor veteran, but now they live normally, of course, adjusted for age, 5 years ago, my mother had heart surgery recently the cardiology center was built, the valve was replaced, the operation itself plus rehabilitation is all free, and I can also give you a video about how our city has changed over these 20 years!

                        https://youtu.be/s6_VtOeNPd8

                        If we talk about macroeconomics, then here everything is not bad with us.
                      25. Honest Citizen 10 March 2020 15: 54 New
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                        Something like the "daughter of an officer." Although, if what you wrote is true, it scored for you, and the health of your parents.
                        Well, now I will give some words.
                        The economic growth of the Russian Federation over 20 years amounted to 22,3%. This is slightly more than 1% per year, which is within the margin of error.
                        For 20 years, the Chinese economy has grown 30 times, the Belarusian economy 6 times. And this despite the fact that the Old Man does not have its own energy sources.
                        At the beginning of 2000, the share of oil and gas revenues in the Russian Federation was 60%. As I already said, then there was a period of growth, getting up from our knees, a safe haven, social responsibility of the business, getting off the oil needle, “sanctions for our benefit” - as a result, today we have a 80% share in oil revenues.
                        Really, we can be proud.
                        About the destroyed enterprises, optimizations, education, I modestly keep silent.
                        As well as the failed Strategies 2020 and other HPPs.
                        Also, I will not talk about the same people, only in different areas in government.
                        In general, yes, success is evident.
                      26. Uncle Vanya Susanin 10 March 2020 16: 23 New
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                        Where did you get such figures in 22%? Can a source? , in 2000 GDP at the PPP of Russia was less than $ 1 trillion, in 2018 it was already more than $ 4 trillion, of course, inflation also enters here, but even adjusted for it, obviously more than 22%, the economy of Belarus also did not grow 6 times, In 2000, GDP at the PPP of Belarus was equal to $ 60 billion, in 2018 it was already 189 billion, and this is also taking into account inflation, where is the growth 6 times? Where do these numbers come from? , and the whole Old Man’s economy is supported by subsidies and cheap energy from the Russian Federation.
                        About China, in general, a separate topic, it arose due to the fact that the West invested there crazy capital, transferred its technology to them, and placed its production there, the entire so-called rust belt of the United States moved to China, while in the 90s they plundered Russia to China and laid out!
                        Share in oil revenues 80% ??? Where do these numbers come from? Even the budget does not have such a share of the oil industry, not to mention the whole economy, you have some kind of disinformation! And about the "daughter of an officer" was not funny, I didn’t be rude to you even once!
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                        I didn’t mean to offend you, but it all hurt you are rosy.
                        Alas, this is not the case with me.
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                        I'm not saying that "everything is rosy," but the changes are clearly for the better!
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                As a percentage of 2000, industrial production growth in Russia amounted to 177%, which is better than the global 158%, and second only to China and India.
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                Go to any store and independently evaluate the industrial growth of Russia. Reality is significantly different from fantasy.
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                It’s easy, I wrote already and I’ll repeat it, at my place, all the major Russian household appliances, furniture, plumbing, all of ours, clothes, Ksati, too!
  4. Observer2014 9 March 2020 22: 26 New
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    True, the guys really saved my life, for which they were very grateful.

    Probably by accident.
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    Quote: Observer2014
    True, the guys really saved my life, for which they were very grateful.

    This is very badо

    I recognize my friend Vasya! He said, and then he wondered ... it happens yes
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    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Observer2014
    True, the guys really saved my life, for which they were very grateful.

    This is very badо

    I recognize my friend Vasya! He said, and then he wondered ... it happens yes

    And, it can (or for sure?) For him (the Observer) "deep analytical thought" winked in the topic "Cradle of Giants" ...
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    With the bandits sorted out gangsters. It turns out that the gang is in power and not the state.
  • Marine engineer 9 March 2020 21: 11 New
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    [quote = Honest Citizen] Ivan.
    What are the successes in power? Really - no. From the word at all. Therefore, now any project, any construction site, will be presented to the media controlled by the authorities as "the great power of the paramogue." Don't you think so?
    I agree.
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      What are the successes in power? Really - no. From the word completely

      The authorities have successes, but only for themselves, in fact they built what they wanted - selling raw materials, from oil to timber, exporting money abroad, nationalizing losses and privatizing profits. In power, everything is fine.
      If, for example, Germany receives the main profits from the factories, it takes care of those who work there, in Russia the main profit comes from the bowels ...
      those. the population is ballast, so they don’t care about it. How much is enough there to service the pipe, according to Thatcher 30KK?
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        “The authorities have successes, but only for themselves, in fact they built what they wanted - selling raw materials, from oil to timber, exporting money abroad,”

        Typical behavior of an addict, dragging everything from the apartment, if only enough for a dose.
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin 10 March 2020 10: 45 New
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    No, I don’t think, firstly, for some reason this construction site is extremely poorly promoted, like other construction sites, have you heard anything about ZapSibNefteKhim, or the Amur Gas Processing Plant, etc., or how many school places were created in 2019? According to the federal media, all this is silent, although according to your logic they should yell from each iron, and secondly, I don’t see any connection between the amendments to the constitution and the PR of the successes of the authorities! It's rather the opposite!
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    There is such an option, play on emotions ....
    But the shipbuilding topic is a long game, and information can be found from any direction, so I urge, as always, to calmly figure out where the real facts are and where the fantasies of those who need it are.
    No one has yet managed to cancel common sense! Therefore we collect "brains in a heap" and we study documents !!!
    Those who want to make a choice consciously ... and the rest, all sorts, you can’t make them, after all, tear them away from ... your favorite occupations and will be enlightened at the expense of the laws by which we have to live.
    This then begins OH and AH, that them again and again! But, the train is the one to run after it will be useless.
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin 9 March 2020 18: 53 New
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    Honest citizen than
    you do not like these amendments?
    https://youtu.be/zLqDOUWh6kY
    1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 20: 07 New
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      When the term of the presidency and the term of the deputy were changed, no one asked anyone. Why is this question - about the status of the Russian language surfaced only now, and why it cannot be solved in the same way as it was decided with the term of the presidency and parliament?
      1. Andrey VOV 9 March 2020 23: 56 New
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        Are you a typical one hundred percent demagogue with whom there is no sense in arguing from the very beginning, what did you do in real life? Have you served in the army? Have you done something material? Probably you are bummed or how can you now trade?
        1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 23: 59 New
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          Andrei ...
          My child ... I have several discoveries in metallurgy technology, several publications in international journals, reserve lieutenant (military department) ... Material? Well, the plane did not, the tank, too ...
          So calm your ardor ...
          Who is it? what did you do? Traded? :) laughing
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            But your upbringing is zero, reserve lieutenant, cathedral, apparently you didn’t learn to communicate with the older ones by assignment, from the word at all, now it’s probably too late, but I won’t list what I’ve done in life, to understand this for you, here is the true technical intelligentsia, and here is how you are, everything is wrong for you, everything is bad, and your honesty is in doubt
            1. Honest Citizen 10 March 2020 00: 14 New
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              Those. Do you consider your initial communication the height of verbal elegance and culture?
              What have you done in life? Yes, I purple I KNOW what I have done in life - that’s enough for me.
              Poking around in yours, I'm sorry ... I will not ...
              I guess, or how can you now trade?

              You are not even responsible for such words ...
              EdRo?
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                Sorry to interfere with your courtesy exchange hi
                It’s just wildly interesting to me, what is “senior on assignment”? Are you special agents?
      2. Uncle Vanya Susanin 10 March 2020 10: 56 New
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        Have you noticed only one question with the Russian language? Because the introduction of these amendments into the basic law of the country is a completely different level of solution to this issue!
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    All power to Gazprom. Urya!
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      All power to Gazprom. Urya!

      Are you ill? You get well soon, please
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        You need to recover, Mitroha.
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    Tankers are also good, but as time shows, it’s time to take care of the pipe-laying vessels - because of American sanctions, the world's available do not agree to work for Rosneft and Gazprom.
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      Quote: Waldemaras
      it's time to take care of the pipe-laying vessels -

      Excuse me, then salt them, or what? request Or release a dozen per year? This ship - is piece goods, and in large numbers absolutely unnecessary. At the moment, "we had with us," and in the future, as necessary, the issue will be resolved. By the way, Chersky is quietly drinking at their destination (most likely with a call to us in St. Petersburg), and at this stage, accompanied by the Yaroslav the Wise missile defense system, and with the AIS turned off - just in case (pirates and all that ) They will go, of course, through the Red Sea and the Suez Canal. Let it be for now. hi
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        We didn’t have with us. Because why? Why spend MONEY on the maintenance of some absurd steamer? Then, SUDDENLY, we decided to start building pipelines. And, like real managers, they hired professionals who, it’s bad luck, somehow manage to operate these vessels without Gazprom. Then, again, like every year winter, SUDDENLY, FOR THE FIRST TIME in the WORLD, HAVING None of Analogs, the event happened .... Sanctions. And all the steamers have gone somewhere. And under the horse in peacetime, "in an atmosphere of strict secrecy," the academician waddles from the Far East to Europe. Already changing course and not going to Singapore, where the builders had to podshaman him. Already after Lanka, the trance turned off, so that they would not be tracked ...... Now it remains to cover the Suez night only. And by the way, who will be a shaman? And then he, according to rumors))), the grenades of the wrong system ....
        1. Paranoid50 10 March 2020 20: 20 New
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          who will be a shaman?

          to St. Petersburg at one of the St. Petersburg shipbuilding plants of the USC for the installation of welding and technological equipment of a well-known European company that won the tender and has its own production site in the Leningrad Region. The ship also has to undergo medium repairs of the main propulsion system, screw and shaft chassis, which under Nakhodka SRH is impossible to do. On February 7, an announcement appeared that Gazprom Fleet had completed a tender on February 5 for retrofitting the pipe layer. The company did not provide the names of the participants, but indicated that there were three. Moreover, the winner was the one who submitted the documents on January 30, when the competition was extended. Previously, applications were accepted until January 16. The future contractor proposed to carry out work for 831 million rubles - 42 million rubles cheaper than the estimated cost.
          According to the technical documentation of the tender, after retrofitting, the vessel’s productivity should be at least 120-160 joints per day and calculated based on the conditions of round-the-clock operation of four welding posts. In other words, the vessel should lay per day from one and a half to two kilometers of the gas pipeline. At the same time, Academician Chersky is the only one of the three vessels suitable for the construction of the Baltic gas pipeline that has a dynamic positioning system. It was not required by the Danish regulator, but it is provided for in the permit for laying in the Danish economic zone in the Baltic Sea, so that ammunition lying on the bottom since World War II was not caught during work.
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            Mercy is awful)))) That's just ..... "At the same time, Academician Chersky is the only one of the three vessels suitable for the construction of the Baltic gas pipeline that has a dynamic positioning system." Is it all over the world? Or is it with our effective managers?
            1. Paranoid50 10 March 2020 23: 03 New
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              Quote: frog
              worldwide? Or is it with our effective managers?

              Our all. "Fortune" and "Defender" with anchor.
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                Tady oh))) But thanks. That is, except for barges - only the Academician .... Cool. And you are right - why do we need them?
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                  Quote: frog
                  why do we need them?

                  So, not all at once - needs in terms of ships and ships, good and different, to the point of foolishness. Then I had to choose: "buzz or more". And, again, and again - a piece of goods, however. Well, they will lay down SP-2 (one way or another they will hold it), and then what projects are there? request Not the Poles to take it ...
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                    It is clear that not all at once. First Eclipse, and then Chersky. It would just be funny if the opponent in the Big Game-2 sometimes included brains. For everyone has a problem with this matter. (Some, however, have no particular problems with money))). And Chersky (3 pah) suddenly broke? Next time, maybe they’ll find a brainy one .....
                    1. Paranoid50 10 March 2020 23: 51 New
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                      can be found brainy .....

                      Here it is "who did not hide - I am not to blame." yes laughing
                      1. frog 11 March 2020 08: 42 New
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                        Did someone blame you?))) Well, you don’t steer the mentioned organs ..... And, by the way, “Power of Siberia” SUDDENLY, a preventive stop was needed. About which you must (sic!) Mention in the news repeat
                      2. Paranoid50 11 March 2020 09: 34 New
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                        Well you do not steer the mentioned organs

                        So, I meant taxiing. laughing
                      3. frog 11 March 2020 10: 07 New
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                        Well, glory to Him .... And then all of a sudden, SUDDENLY, I had the opportunity to chat with one of these fabulous .... but I didn’t know?))) Although I talked with a little less fabulous. And given the growth of fabulousness along with career growth - it’s scary to imagine what's up there recourse
    2. Marine engineer 10 March 2020 21: 31 New
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      A colleague, frog, here our “effective” ones managed a great deal and at the same time set up their patron.
      1. frog 10 March 2020 22: 51 New
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        Well, the titanic successes of this tribe are well known wink And since I'm a little aware of how the design of boxes for the Star is going on, and how things are going on on the Star itself - there are no doubts in this place for me. As in many others, however, as with the same long-suffering icebreaker with such a juicy name lol
  • Vladimir Mashkov 9 March 2020 20: 51 New
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    The construction of new shipyards is definitely good. Although very expensive. But this is a strategic issue. Although SIGNIFICANTly, it seems, it is better and easier to get them in New Russia, yes, having repaired, started. However, it seems to be a lot more complicated ...
    1. Mitroha 10 March 2020 06: 37 New
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      So began to build the Star before the events in Ukraine
  • rosomaha 9 March 2020 21: 09 New
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    hurt yourself .. so the oil workers and gas workers live in a "parallel state-ve"? They have money for such large-capacity projects. But at the same time, we are racking our brains about where to make massively UDC, destroyers and cruisers. As a result, something like, something there ... but in fact the rejection of their construction .. type mosquito fleet will manage. Now they will start to rub that panic ... the economy is more important ... it is necessary to trade, not to fight. Yes, only the loot flows into private pockets and then settles in the offshore and banks of our hostile countries, and it will “cost us”. And as for the enemies and the war ... they say that we are not in any state of war. And you see over the past 60 years, someone has declared war to someone, as officially as the First World War? did the Americans send their diplomat to Belgrade, Baghdad or Tripoli with this news? It turns out declared a war - the matter is purely within the state and political ... they say politics are fighting high ... and the traders are cutting the loot. Isn't sanction a war? And it doesn’t care — hot, cold, oil or economic — but this is war. Accordingly, attacks against us on any "front" must be answered. But taking into account the specifics - that we’ll lie at war — it’s a war of special forces, trained people, not reservists and militias — if someone says that you take an assault rifle and go to war. No, modern warfare is a struggle of specialists. And we lived somewhere far away from the front, but being sick and worried about ours there, we will continue this - everyone has their own war.
    1. carstorm 11 9 March 2020 22: 23 New
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      do not you understand that at these capacities it will be possible to build large ships for the Navy?)))
  • 7,62h54 9 March 2020 21: 56 New
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    When "our Trump" will promise new sanctions, how long will the "partners" participate in the project?
  • IC
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    The problem is that the construction time, and especially the cost of the ships
    uncompetitive in the region. Therefore, only Russian companies can be customers. The state is forced to subsidize the difference in value. Information on the organization of the production of certain types of garden equipment is not entirely true. This is still a long way off. Of course, staffing issues in this region can be a key issue.
  • Whisper 9 March 2020 23: 31 New
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    For a hundred parts to the Far East, no one will go from St. Petersburg. That's bullshit. Three thousand dollars ... no less.
  • 75 Sergey 10 March 2020 00: 07 New
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    Murmansk is still being built, although it is said that there will be “islands" for gas production.
  • Romanenko 10 March 2020 08: 16 New
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    Really touched? Nevertheless, we decided to raise the country from its knees! So little by little, you look, and the rivers come to life, and the plants begin to build and give people work ...
    Now, secondary specialized education will need to be restored in all its past volume and grandeur, because without working hands there will be nothing, it’s not in a white collar with a tablet in hand, here you need to do business.
    We assume that the first step has begun to be taken, here are still managers who were effective with a filthy broom from everywhere.
  • Zoer 10 March 2020 08: 54 New
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    Then, in the Russian budget, only mice were found, and perhaps they just didn’t hang themselves ...

    No, 20 years ago, money was already pouring into the budget. It's time to start working. But, the king built a vertical based on corruption and mutual responsibility. Not until the construction they had. And now it’s not very.
  • Konstantin73 10 March 2020 10: 11 New
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    Good day to all. Here in Primorye, we read a lot of VO and write a little. I saw separate phrases from local, but more often from the top link or custom-made. From the comments I see that the people here are mainly from the West. But according to the reviews, they got the gist exactly - the personnel issue with us is the main one. Then I give my article on this topic in the print version, about the problems of construction, territory and personnel. The review is superficial, because otherwise the book will have to be written https://primamedia.ru/news/917318/
  • sd000016 11 March 2020 05: 48 New
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    A huge shipyard, advanced technologies, huge and complex ships powered by any fuel are all of course nice to see and hear about, but what is the ultimate goal of all these expensive enterprises? And the ultimate goal is simple - to quickly and in large quantities to export the natural resources of Russia, the money for which will be stored in no one knows where, it will be controlled by nobody and who will go for what. Although something about the direction of movement of possible new revenues can be assumed.
    Does Russia really need to increase an already considerable cash inflow from outside?
    Are there any other tasks that are more significant in terms of increasing public welfare?
    For example, we have problems with machine tools.

    https://www.informdom.com/novosti/rossiiskoe-stankostroenie-sostoyanie-i-perspektivy.html

    Metallurgy "reached the pen", in Russia, they forgot how to make good metal

    https://svpressa.ru/economy/article/247977/

    There are big problems with the production of modern bearings

    https://expert.ru/expert/2019/44/vagonyi-shodyat-s-rolikov/

    And the government throws huge resources at increasing the export of natural resources.
    Is it correct?
    1. Marine engineer 11 March 2020 17: 15 New
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      All right. From me, plus.
  • Boratsagdiev 11 March 2020 10: 44 New
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    This news is not the first year, the essence is different - the "oil and gas system" is building for its purposes (platforms, tankers, etc.) ... but for the rest they will most likely build on the residual principle.
    1. Boratsagdiev 11 March 2020 11: 22 New
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      the truth is often not polite ...
      especially when there is no worthy opponent)
  • Pavel Fedorov 12 March 2020 12: 01 New
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    Based on how the Kremlin’s managers arrived with Siberia, they sleep and see how to do this with everything else! Joint ventures say? Then everything will be in their hands and will be sold!