There are data on strange "three points" in satellite images in the case of MH17


Bonanza Media, a platform for independent journalistic investigations, published a document on the case of a Malaysian Boeing shot down in 2014. The document describes the methods used by representatives of the so-called international investigation when searching for witnesses.


In particular, we are talking about the minutes of the meeting of the operational headquarters of the investigative group of January 25, 2018. The report states that the investigation, without informing the Russian authorities, was going to look for witnesses, "most likely living in Russia." It is noted that in fact a violation of Russian sovereignty was proposed when conducting a search for witnesses.

It is noteworthy that the representatives of that same “international investigative group”, including the Belgian and Ukrainian, said that “they did not see any particular difficulties in this.”

The protocol notes that it is necessary to actually lure witnesses to carry out their interrogation without notifying the Russian authorities about such actions.

Journalist Max van der Werff, who had previously published important documents in the case of MH17, notes that in this case the investigators are ready to violate Russian law. Van der Werff called the document "interesting, funny, but sad."

From the document, it becomes clear, for example, that the country did not participate in the discussion, to which the airliner shot down over Donbass belonged.

Strange details of the image in satellite images are also noted in the published materials. In particular, the investigation team says there are some “three points”. Representatives of the investigation during the discussion decided to ignore these images, so that "there would be no speculation and to avoid confusion." At the same time, the points in question are not identified: these could be fragments of an airplane, parts of a rocket.
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They do not even say that these points can be military aircraft. They prefer to ignore this issue.

It is added that the investigation examined the data from Russian radars, recognized them as objective, but in the end they did not take them into account, saying that "the media should be involved in the analysis."
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  1. Same lech 8 March 2020 07: 13 New
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    The Dutch no longer know how to pull Russia by the ears by this provocation ... it is evident from despair that they are going to yet another stupidity and insanity.
    1. maiman61 8 March 2020 07: 40 New
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      They, out of desperation, suggested not so long ago, Russia to plead guilty to the destruction of the plane!
    2. Victor_B 8 March 2020 07: 58 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      The Dutch no longer know how to pull Russia by the ears by this provocation ... it is evident from despair that they are going to yet another stupidity and insanity.
      Well, this owl does not stretch on their globe (Ukraine)!
      Well, the perpetrators have already been appointed, only for 6 years the "evidence" can not fit in the answer!
      If there were serious evidence, then a long trial would have taken place.
      1. orionvitt 8 March 2020 12: 31 New
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        Quote: Victor_B
        If there were serious evidence, then a long trial would have taken place

        Most importantly, the states are silent, "like a fish on ice." And they know everything perfectly, and who shot down, and when shot down, and how, and why. And they know that Russia knows. Therefore, significantly shut up. True sanctions did not hesitate to impose, as well, a holy cause.
    3. Going 8 March 2020 08: 33 New
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      The trial will begin tomorrow, all their abomination will be visible.
      1. anjey 8 March 2020 08: 44 New
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        The western apotheosis of political and judicial lawlessness will continue.
        1. bessmertniy 8 March 2020 09: 04 New
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          These three points are a thick spot in the case of the downed Boeing. no The question is why the investigation was so blind that for so many years it could not see these points. And still not able to identify. negative
      2. NIKN 8 March 2020 09: 56 New
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        Quote: Going
        The trial will begin tomorrow, all their abomination will be visible.

        This is not judgment, this is coven. Well, the concepts of sacred rites and spells are available only to participants in the Sabbath
      3. Oyo Sarkazmi 8 March 2020 22: 22 New
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        Quote: Going
        The trial will begin tomorrow, all their abomination will be visible.

        Yes, nothing will be visible. Four more years the algorithm of their actions was described.
        1st year - Boigg fell.
        2nd year - Boeing fell down.
        3rd year - Boeing fell to the ground.
        4th year - people on board died.
        .
        And this reference - the media must be involved in the investigation. Spit on MH17. The main thing is to make noise, make noise, make noise ...
    4. knn54 8 March 2020 09: 22 New
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      The husband arrives home late at night.
      Wife smelling alcohol, asks:
      - Again a banquet?
      - Yes darling.
      Seeing traces of lipstick on her husband’s cheek:
      - And again, colleagues kissed?
      - Yes darling.
      When the husband undressed, his wife asked in surprise:
      “But why are you wearing women's underpants?”
      Pause.
      “Honey, you’re so smart, come up with something.”
      1. Cutter 8 March 2020 09: 42 New
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        It is added that the investigation examined the data from Russian radars, recognized them as objective, but in the end they did not take them into account, saying that "the media should be involved in the analysis."

        Their insanity reached its highest point. The data from Russian radars is objective, but "you need to talk to reporters ..." fool fool
        1. Piramidon 8 March 2020 11: 00 New
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          Quote: Cutter
          but "you need to talk to reporters ..."

          Well, here's another, they will strain, look for journalists. They are fine, not taking their asses off the chair, draw Old and "evidence" on all kinds of "Censors", "Peacekeepers" and similar Internet dumps.
    5. YOUR 8 March 2020 09: 52 New
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      This is their usual practice. The more time passes after an event, the more witnesses and irrefutable facts appear.
      Any officer artilleryman or anti-aircraft gunner will determine where the projectile or rocket came from by the fragment shatter. But strange for some reason, such a respected commission does not do this. Moreover, the available materials, fragments of the aircraft are not completely examined. They took only the bow of the plane and that's it.
    6. Shuttle 8 March 2020 12: 22 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      The Dutch no longer know how to pull Russia by the ears by this provocation ... it is evident from despair that they are going to yet another stupidity and insanity.

      Not all Dutch are like that. For example, the journalist mentioned in the article.
    7. NF68 8 March 2020 17: 20 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      The Dutch no longer know how to pull Russia by the ears by this provocation ... it is evident from despair that they are going to yet another stupidity and insanity.


      They will smoke something and everything will work out after that.
    8. Alexander Malchukov 8 March 2020 19: 06 New
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      Alexei, this is neither stupidity nor insanity. This is the fulfillment of a political order to accuse Russia, regardless of any facts and circumstances.
      Alexander Malchukov.
      1. Michael67 9 March 2020 02: 58 New
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        “It is added that the investigation examined the data from Russian radars, recognized them as objective, but did not take them into account in the end, stating that“ the media should be used for analysis. ”- That's the main thing. To attract the media. In our house even our media are not all ours. But beyond the hillock and even more so. They urge people to sing through the media through the media, and not through the results of expert examinations of everything that is possible. And what can the media have to do with the investigation? That's right. Nothing! mind.
    9. Maz
      Maz 9 March 2020 10: 25 New
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      It's funny, here's how to work out American grandmothers - to insanity and idiocy.
  2. Moore 8 March 2020 07: 19 New
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    To rely on the objectivity of the "universal people" is not even Manilovism. This is some kind of masochism ...
  3. Tusv 8 March 2020 07: 21 New
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    media should be used for analysis

    You would have attracted word of mouth. Obs terrible power
  4. Al Asad 8 March 2020 07: 21 New
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    Russia entered into a secret conspiracy with an alien race and shot down MH17
    Therefore, the "exceptional" increase their current military budget by 500 times and deploy hundreds of military bases around the borders of the Russian Federation
    A curtain
  5. Zeev Zeev 8 March 2020 07: 29 New
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    I will quote TASS:
    Bonanza Media platform created by van der Werff and Yerlashova (former employee of Russia Today), this is not the first time he has published documents regarding the investigation of MH17. So, a few weeks ago, journalists published a series of documents, one of which indicates that, according to the Dutch side, the tragedy occurred in an area where there were no Buk anti-aircraft missile systems. Other documents suggest that during a plane crash, Ukrainian fighters were seen in the sky.

    Attention, a question. How “independent media” is it, founded by an employee of a state agency specially created to create an information picture that is beneficial to a state? And how reliable is the media platform if it published versions refuted by the Russian Defense Ministry?
    1. Serg koma 8 March 2020 08: 23 New
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      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Attention, Question

      Attention, answer:
      media should be used for analysis
      laughing
    2. Volodin 8 March 2020 08: 25 New
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      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      How "independent media" is, founded by an employee of a state agency, specially created

      Do you have any questions about the “independence” of Bellingcat? Oh well
      1. Zeev Zeev 8 March 2020 08: 31 New
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        I do not have questions about the independence of Bellingcat, since they conduct investigations AGAINST the governments of the European Union. Which earned a certain authority.
        1. Non liberoid Russian 8 March 2020 12: 09 New
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          what, in honor of March 8, rolled and suffered ????
        2. Moskovit 8 March 2020 15: 25 New
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          And what did they reveal in the European Union?
        3. Pavel73 9 March 2020 11: 01 New
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          And the date of its foundation is not alarming? And nationality (this is a question of criticism of EU governments)?
    3. carstorm 11 8 March 2020 08: 25 New
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      and do you determine independence by your former place of work?))) or did you work as a Kremlin spy once in RT?))) Are you developing a new kind of xenophobia?)
      1. Zeev Zeev 8 March 2020 08: 32 New
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        Scouts are not former.
        1. carstorm 11 8 March 2020 08: 35 New
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          of course. and Simonyan who is pregnant all the time with general spies from spies) the world has finally left the reels)))
          1. Zeev Zeev 8 March 2020 08: 37 New
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            And Margarita Simonyan governs all this bacchanalia of the type, although in reality it’s just a face on the screen. With a budget exceeding the budget of an average Russian city like Voronezh
            1. carstorm 11 8 March 2020 08: 52 New
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              bacchanalia?) is this why it is curious?) and the budget. and what should it be for a large media?) small?) in fact, these questions are rhetorical) after your post, and so everything is clear that you are an ordinary xenophobe of a new formation) worked in RT means everything) you're lying and a spy)
              1. Zeev Zeev 8 March 2020 10: 13 New
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                And the media should not have a state budget at all. Otherwise, this is not the media, to the mouthpiece of state propaganda.
                1. Maverick78 8 March 2020 12: 20 New
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                  And if the budget is allocated by a certain intelligence service under the guise of a private? Or funded by a specific financial group. Is such a media independent?
                2. gsev 9 March 2020 00: 07 New
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                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  And the media should not have a state budget at all.

                  My friend worked for several years in the early 1990s in structures close to Russian television. The state then paid little. Therefore, many carried out orders of foreign countries. I was told that Azerbaijanis paid about 1000 rubles for one plot, and the Yugoslavs paid about 000 rubles. That is, then these earnings were simply flaunted. A friend realizing that her leaders are being fed by Europe and the Americas decided to go for sale to the Arabs. But she did a stupid thing. She decided to immediately be sold to all oil producing monarchies. At each embassy, ​​they listened to her and, having understood the plans, stated that they only needed devotees of their country. They can understand the betrayal of Russia and the desire to serve only Kuwait, for example, but they cannot allow service to Qatar, Oman and the UAR at the same time. I think this state of affairs forced the Russian government to accept the view that the media should have a state budget. And it turns out that Russia pays for machinery, equipment, and on this equipment for the share of a percent of the expenses of the Russian state they work in the interests of other countries.
              2. Zeev Zeev 8 March 2020 10: 13 New
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                And the media should not have a state budget at all. Otherwise, this is not the media, to the mouthpiece of state propaganda.
                1. carstorm 11 8 March 2020 10: 33 New
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                  So what? it means we can’t and the states can finance all sorts of freedom radio) is ridiculous.
                  1. Zeev Zeev 8 March 2020 10: 41 New
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                    So do not believe Radio Liberty.
                    1. sevryuk 8 March 2020 12: 15 New
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                      And we do not believe.
                2. Nikolay Mishakov 9 March 2020 09: 03 New
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                  Suppose, if the media finances the business, let’s say Khodorkovsky, this will not be the mouthpiece of Khodorkovsky,
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            3. Egor-dis 8 March 2020 15: 47 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              With a budget exceeding the budget of an average Russian city like Voronezh
              And what does the budget of Voronezh? Let's compare media budgets. For example, with the budget of the Air Force or Radio Liberty. Speaking of the Air Force, it exists with the state tax on broadcasting, and non-payment of this tax entails criminal liability. So what about independent media? wink
        2. Victorio 8 March 2020 09: 57 New
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          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Scouts are not former.

          ===
          like liars
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      1. Non liberoid Russian 8 March 2020 12: 10 New
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        but how shareware like you parted.
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    5. Waddimm 8 March 2020 10: 06 New
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      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      How “independent media” is it, founded by an employee of a state agency specially created to create a profit for some

      Long live the Dutch court, the most independent and humane court on Earth ?!
    6. Local from the Volga 8 March 2020 11: 52 New
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      I suggest the moderators ban for a certain number of minuses, even if there is no title on ava!
      1. Moon 8 March 2020 23: 23 New
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        Quote: Local from the Volga
        I suggest the moderators ban for a certain number of minuses, even if there is no title on ava!

        the opinion of the crowd against a separate opinion, not violating the rules of the forum, but requiring the brave soul to be crucified ...
        laws of the jungle ....
        There is an exchange of opinions, albeit with those that you don’t like, which you need to refute reasonably, and not sculpt minuses, like women on emotions against arguments.
        I do not like many opinions, but I did not put a single minus.
        At all times it was hard with this herd feeling.
        Going against him was always risky. But this was the only way to gain up.
        A much easier way is to lead the crowd.
  6. Thrifty 8 March 2020 07: 33 New
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    This is a world record of absurdity, how to overturn facts, how to ignore the obvious, how long to delay with the “investigation” for the sake of only one - impudent and vile lie to Russia!
  7. Andrei Nikolaevich 8 March 2020 07: 34 New
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    Some kind of nonsense .. These European little ones, the gut is thin for such things ... That's when "uncle-in-uncle" or "aunt-in-aunt" is their level. All the rest is not a hat.
  8. Cruel beaver 8 March 2020 07: 37 New
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    They, there in Holland, consume anything and everything ... What am can one expect from a state of drug addicts?
  9. Amateur 8 March 2020 07: 37 New
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    If the Dutch had real evidence of Russia's participation, they would not have called for "voluntarily admitting guilt in the MH17 case."
    “The EU calls on Russia to take responsibility [for what happened] and fully cooperate with the ongoing investigation. The EU expresses its full confidence in the independence and professionalism of legal procedures that are yet to be carried out. ”

    They would have this evidence
    with her face began to poke me in a mug (A.P. Chekhov, "Vanka")
  10. Mountain shooter 8 March 2020 07: 54 New
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    It was impossible to believe in the objectivity of the investigation from the beginning ... After all, the culprit was called, in my opinion, earlier than the wreckage of an airplane flew to the ground ... this alone left no doubt ...
  11. jovanni 8 March 2020 08: 05 New
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    With regard to Russia, the West has always acted as an arrogant swindler and cheater ...
  12. Errr 8 March 2020 08: 13 New
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    ... the investigation examined the data from Russian radars, recognized them as objective, but in the end they did not take them into account, stating that:
    media should be used for analysis
    Wow ... belay
    There are no words.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 8 March 2020 09: 09 New
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      the investigation examined the data from Russian radars, recognized them as objective
      This article, together with journalist Max Van der Werff, which is funny, recognize them to be biased - because they continue to raise the issue of "military aircraft" despite the fact that in the data from Russian radars nowhat was about officially declared at a briefing by the Ministry of Defense with the participation of Almaz-Antey specialists.
      1. Waddimm 8 March 2020 10: 14 New
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        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        despite the fact that in the data from Russian radars they are absent

        Your second post about the absence of Ukrainian letaki. On one article ..... Hmm ... If there is a third, then I will be sure that they were there!
        (You said the first time and I believed! You said the second time and I doubted! You said the third time and I realized that you were lying!)
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 8 March 2020 11: 32 New
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          And you can check it yourself (the official infa is good and is in the public domain), but really, why such difficulties.
          1. Waddimm 10 March 2020 09: 08 New
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            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            And you can

            So there were no letaks or what?
            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 March 2020 09: 58 New
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              Quote: Waddimm
              So there were no letaks or what?
              Sorry, I can’t answer your question, because you said that if there is a third post about litaki, then you will be sure that the litaks were there. I took your threat very seriously, so I will refrain from writing the third post. laughing
              1. Waddimm 14 March 2020 06: 05 New
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                Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                Sorry, I can not answer your question,

                And I know a magic spell! Hiley Likely !!!
      2. Liam 8 March 2020 10: 36 New
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        The only useful information from this stuffing is that there are satellite images in the criminal case. A lot of info copies were broken about this.
  13. evgenii67 8 March 2020 08: 28 New
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    How many years have passed, the Dutch are buzzing about the same thing, the planes are waiting for the same.
    Cyborgs with blue eyes melting under the fire of a machine gun.
    At least someone should melt.

    Soon dawn, there is no way out, turn the key and flew.
    It is necessary to write in someone’s notebook, in blood, as in the subway:
    “There is no way out,” no way out!

    This crap will never end. It's like with the Polish president, who crashed near Smolensk, is still being smuggled.
  14. Jurkovs 8 March 2020 08: 33 New
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    The protocol notes that it is necessary to actually lure witnesses to carry out their interrogation without notifying the Russian authorities about such actions.

    Another Rodchenkov will not be difficult to find. Slop, to pour on our country, they also have enough. The question is that someday all this will end. And when they realize this, they will not at all embarrassed offer us to start from scratch. And we will, as always.
  15. Chingachguk 8 March 2020 09: 25 New
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    Well, really already by ourselves should be ashamed of such a "consequence" !!!! The skripals are completely muzzled, where are they even now? English speakers are silent, as if they had taken water in their mouths !!!! Clown Zelensky generally going to plant those who burned people in Odessa !? And these footprints can not understand how to fix this belebber according to Boeing.
  16. Yurahip 8 March 2020 09: 38 New
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    We play here, we don’t play here, but here we wrapped the fish ....
  17. Victorio 8 March 2020 09: 52 New
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    It is added that the investigation examined the data from Russian radars, recognized them as objective, but in the end they did not take them into account, saying that "the media should be involved in the analysis."
    ===
    and it’s such and such media attraction
  18. major147 8 March 2020 10: 03 New
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    so that “there is no speculation and to avoid confusion”

    Yeah! "Here we play, here we do not play. Here the fish was wrapped!" (C)
  19. Aleks2000 8 March 2020 10: 07 New
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    Three points .... three bananas .... Independent journalists with Russian connections ....
    And in the state. TASS and others are still hanging: "Militiamen of the proclaimed DNR shot down the An-26 plane of the Ukrainian Air Force"
  20. Victor March 47 8 March 2020 10: 43 New
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    "It is added that the investigation examined the data from Russian radars, recognized them as objective, but in the end they did not take them into account, saying that" the media should be involved in the analysis. "

    Just great. Newspapers, whether paper or electronic, will analyze radar data. This is how much the level of these prostitution scribblers has grown, you must !!!
    Of course, penguin radar data is not even laid out and is not discussed. But the Russians will be obstructed by a fascist public.
  21. Ros 56 8 March 2020 11: 16 New
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    We need lawyers who are competent in international law with decent remuneration and mandatory unguarded security.
  22. orionvitt 8 March 2020 12: 19 New
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    “The analysis should involve the media.”
    Something new. And I always thought that the experts should be engaged in the analysis, and the media should not just "get underfoot". Well, the Western "zhurnalyugi" on this analyze.
  23. Volgar 8 March 2020 12: 38 New
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    the investigation examined the data from Russian radars, recognized them as objective, but in the end they did not take them into account, saying that "the media should be involved in the analysis."

    Professionalism in the behavior of investigators is not even visible.
  24. jaroff 8 March 2020 12: 55 New
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    Commented, but have to repeat:
    And all this is because they allowed to give a damn and rub the ICAO rules on accident investigation. In total, the cause of the AP is determined. The reason is determined - external impact. Next, the circumstances of getting this aircraft to the point where it was externally affected are determined. It also clarifies the compliance with the flight plan, route, negotiations, whether there were any other factors that brought it to this point at that time, for example, a thunderstorm and was forced to bypass the thunderstorm, changed the level. It is also specified here that the operator or other parties, including organizations responsible for airspace, did not violate ICAO's governing documents and / or their governing documents governing this flight. Investigation of aircraft according to ICAO rules does not identify the perpetrators, but is carried out in order to prevent similar aircraft in the future, aimed at increasing the level of flight safety.
    After that, and only after that, the commission makes a conclusion about the cause of the AP and the factors contributing to this AP. It also indicates what actions or omissions, I emphasize, by aviation officials that led to the AP.
    And only then the conclusion of the commission, if necessary, is attached to the criminal case, if it is instituted.
    In my opinion, such a purely aviation technical investigation has not been carried out, I believe that intentionally, due to the fact that then 100% AviaRukh would be indicated as the organization responsible for security in its airspace, but intentionally, knowing about unsafe conditions in the airspace along the flight route, did not close the airspace.
    Everything else is secondary. It doesn’t matter who in the war pulled the trigger or battle button. This is war.
    1. ender 8 March 2020 13: 22 New
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      in the final version of the technical investigation report, the conclusions of the Netherlands Security Council are indicated regarding the inadequacy of measures to ensure flight safety over Ukrainian territory.
    2. Avior 8 March 2020 13: 33 New
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      . In my opinion, such a purely aviation technical investigation has not been conducted.

      Why do you think so? This investigation was, all interested parties admitted to it, the results have long been published.
      It was only then that a criminal investigation began, and no one was allowed to access it.
      1. Victorio 8 March 2020 14: 29 New
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        Quote: Avior
        Why do you think so? all interested parties admitted to it

        ===
        // Mohamad recalled that the crashed airliner belonged to a Malaysian airline, on board, including, were citizens of this country. Therefore, it would be logical to expect that Malaysia will take part in the investigation. But in the end, she was not allowed to investigate Western countries, the Malaysian prime minister was surprised.
        // "Unfortunately, we are not allowed to conduct a full-fledged investigation, therefore, we have no reason to fully trust the results of this investigation. We are not taking part in it," Putin said //
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          Putin is the head of Malaysia?
          I don’t keep up with the news :)

          And Malaysia took part in the investigation, there is a statement by the deputy prosecutor general of this country
          1. Victorio 9 March 2020 09: 46 New
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            Quote: Avior
            Putin is the head of Malaysia?
            I don’t keep up with the news :)

            And Malaysia took part in the investigation, there is a statement by the deputy prosecutor general of this country.

            ===
            Your resourcefulness can be envied. // Mohamad recalled that the crashed airliner belonged to a Malaysian airline, on board, including, were citizens of this country. Therefore, it would be logical to expect that Malaysia will take part in the investigation. But in the end, she was not allowed to investigate Western countries, surprised malaysian prime.//
    3. Azim77 8 March 2020 13: 36 New
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      In addition, even if you focus on these unprofessional methods of investigation, where is the main question from the investigators - WHY? The motives of the crime, if it existed, should have been studied first .. And even worse: the fact that the West has already imposed punishment (sanctions) before a court decision is made is worse than any repressions that the West loves to refer to.
    4. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 8 March 2020 13: 40 New
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      Quote: zharyoff
      In my opinion, such a purely aviation technical investigation has not been conducted.
      It was - an investigation according to ICAO rules was conducted by the Dutch Safety Board, to which Ukraine transferred the right to conduct this investigation (as provided for by ICAO rules). The guilty party for poor security was called Malaysia Airlines.

      She already pays compensation - https://www.bfm.ru/news/417815
      1. Victorio 8 March 2020 14: 48 New
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        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        Quote: zharyoff
        In my opinion, such a purely aviation technical investigation has not been conducted.
        It was - an investigation according to ICAO rules was conducted by the Dutch Safety Board, to which Ukraine transferred the right to conduct this investigation (as provided for by ICAO rules). The guilty party for poor security was called Malaysia Airlines.

        She already pays compensation - https://www.bfm.ru/news/417815


        ====
        Do you think that the lawyers of the victims do not know that you will not get anything from Ukraine ?!
        1. Avior 8 March 2020 20: 39 New
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          If you don’t prove guilt in court, you won’t get anything, you’re right
  25. Boris Sorokin 8 March 2020 13: 06 New
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    And the Americans weakly repent and say, the devil beguiled.
    1. ender 8 March 2020 13: 34 New
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      Quote: Boris Sorokin
      And the Americans weakly repent and say, the devil beguiled.


      Russia blocked in the UN Security Council a draft resolution on the creation of a Boeing tribunal.

      Voting results in the Security Council - 11 votes in favor, one against (Russia), three abstained
  26. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 8 March 2020 13: 29 New
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    It is added that the investigation examined the data from Russian radars, recognized them as objective, but in the end they did not take them into account, saying that “the media should be involved in the analysis”
    This is not true for several points at once.

    At first, JIT did not recognize the data as “objective” (in the sense, authentic). One possible reason for the lack of a rocket is called "manual cleaning."
    Secondly, took them into account. It is indicated that they are filed to the case.
    ThirdlyJIT did not offer to "attract the media." The data was transmitted to two independent experts on radar data, their findings are filed to the case.

    Sources:
    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:FPs2ALzcbp8J:https://www.om.nl/%40103185/radar-experts/+
    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4_vipI1UP90J:https://www.om.nl/publish/pages/57677/appendix_radar_experts_confirm_previous_conclusion_of_the_jit_april_3_2018.pdf+
    1. Moon 8 March 2020 23: 32 New
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      This is not true for several points at once.

      disproving an article or sites is usually difficult.
      Not because you argue, but because you're fighting windmills.
      As far as I remember, the radar data was transmitted more than once (the encoding or format of the first ones was not allowed to decrypt, there was even an article, though they distorted its essence). The commission asked to give in normal (generally accepted) quality.
  27. sanik2020 8 March 2020 13: 31 New
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    To shoot down a plane over a densely populated country in Europe is like farting loudly in a crowd. Almost everyone knows the truth, they only use it in their own way.
  28. Vladimir SHajkin 8 March 2020 13: 36 New
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    When the accusation is written and 100 times expressed and most likely made before the plane crashed, then what investigative actions do you want from the "independent" Dutch investigators.
  29. polpol 8 March 2020 13: 36 New
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    "near the Malaysian aircraft, the Ust-Donetsk radar did not observe any third-party objects that could be the cause of its destruction."


    This means exactly that the locator did not see either missiles or planes.
  30. Grandfather Crimea 8 March 2020 13: 41 New
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    If every day you smoke on a twist with hemp, and from the bush that grows at the bright window of the priyam in the kitchen (not only that you run and look, but you don’t even have to stretch!), Then you can carry on such processes .... There will still be roofing felts) ))))
  31. Yuri Mikhailovsky 8 March 2020 13: 43 New
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    They knew very well which plane sent the ukroletun ... they’re breaking a fool.
  32. Evil Booth 8 March 2020 13: 52 New
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    so what? that’s all!
    1. Avior 8 March 2020 20: 54 New
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      And what is it?
      Some strange pictures.
      You would give a link ....
      1. Moon 8 March 2020 23: 36 New
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        Some strange pictures.

        I personally understood everything. The picture shows the launch site by the nature of the damage. (And experiment)
        However, whole articles and forums are devoted to this ...
        and this picture is not enough ... more precisely, it is not quite objective.
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          fellow and what is not objective there?
  33. Tarasios 8 March 2020 14: 24 New
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    The approach to the cause of these international "legalists" is surprising and outraged. By excluding the injured party (Malaysia) and the accused (Russia) from the “investigation” process. This moment alone is one hundred percent proof that the "investigators" have their own benefits and goals, far from seeking the truth.
    1. Avior 8 March 2020 20: 56 New
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      Malaysia was not excluded; they participated in both the technical and criminal investigations.
      And in the technical investigation, representatives of Russia also took part.
  34. Alsur 8 March 2020 15: 37 New
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    I do not have questions about the independence of Bellingcat, since they conduct investigations AGAINST the governments of the European Union. Which earned a certain authority.

    Do not tell anyone, this is a project of British specials. services. They left the EU, and therefore are conducting investigations against the EU. The negotiations between the WB and the EU were very difficult for the WB, counterarguments and a negative background against the EU were needed, and that is why there were investigations on the EU.
  35. Aleksandr_12 8 March 2020 15: 41 New
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    Hiley Likely is getting ready
  36. yaelxninsh 8 March 2020 17: 44 New
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    Three citizens of the Russian Federation can apply to the court of Malaysia in the case of MN 17.
  37. Kunica 8 March 2020 18: 27 New
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    One fact struck me at that time. A video posted by the passenger of this aircraft went on the network. Nothing unusual, but immediately hit the top (why?). He rejoices there before taking off that he flies home, takes off himself and shows his passport in expanded form. I do not know. Maybe it’s so customary for them ... Everything from the cabin (about to fly). In short, after a few hours, we are shown a video from the crash site, where this very passport is picked up from the wreckage. Not damaged. Again, demonstrate in open form. Vague doubts torment me to this day.
    1. Avior 8 March 2020 20: 58 New
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      They collected a whole pack of passports after the crash
      They are other than people, unfortunately :(
      1. Kunica 8 March 2020 21: 56 New
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        They gathered a lot of things there, but not everything was poked into the camera.
  38. Alexey from Perm 8 March 2020 22: 23 New
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    It’s your fault that I want to eat. That's all the rules of the investigation.
  39. priboy57 9 March 2020 10: 29 New
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    The Dutch have irrefutable evidence of Russia's guilt: "Well, after all, everyone knows that Putin shot down MH17." What other evidence is needed?
  40. Vladimir Mashkov 9 March 2020 11: 08 New
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    Dear community! I observe several people who are constantly writing topic-to-topic Russophobic nastiness and stupidity, have a multi-hundred negative rating. What is the basis for banning them forever? How many minuses are the basis for the eternal ban? WHY is strict VO administration so condescending to them? Excessive democracy? I will be very obliged to the one who will competently answer!
  41. Olegi1 9 March 2020 12: 55 New
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    Lavrov said everything, you can not repeat
  42. Dembel77 9 March 2020 18: 43 New
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    It is added that the investigation examined the data from Russian radars, recognized them as objective, but in the end they did not take them into account, saying that "the media should be involved in the analysis."
    An interesting method, to put it mildly. We should recommend the so-called “investigation” for analysis to attract our honor and conscience, unless of course they still have such concepts. Ugh, trash!
  43. Follow_Follow 10 March 2020 00: 55 New
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    In my opinion, this is the upcoming SURPRISE for the DPR and LPR + (Russia) about which the ex-president of Ukraine, Mr. Poroshenko, made one of his speeches (a couple of months before the event). After that there will be a guaranteed break. Statements by parties (interested) after hour X speak more than any commission or verdict issued by a court can tell. Identify the customer (I am sure there is a director and the script was prepared in advance). The calculation is on the perception of a normal person. A decent person will not have the thought that OWN can be sacrificed by their own citizens (in this number) to achieve the goal. Believe CAN. Especially for those who plan such events, only their relatives are their own .. the rest go to the "consumables" column. Who needed sacred sacrifices in that place? (randomness excluded)
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    The title is intriguing, but where are the dots themselves and the data about them?
  45. tolmachiev51 10 March 2020 03: 49 New
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    Series No. 2 "Hiley Likely" !!! The process for the media and people, you are already starting to get used to idiocy, but I just can’t understand how GRU officers are involved in this, they carried a pocket BEECH !!! ???
  46. Andrey Komkov 10 March 2020 08: 41 New
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    Do you want to laugh? It turns out there were TWO BEECHS !! One of them, which were driven by Mad Cats with their photo and video evidence, it turns out, BROKEN and did not reach LDNR. And I hit the BEECH with a completely different BEECH. But he is also from Russia. This was written by the most honest media - the Air Force (at www.bbc.com/ russian / news - 51804425). That's the turn :))).