Give me gas, we’ll go west

Give me gas, we’ll go west

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It sometimes happens that everyone speaks of a certain phenomenon, but in nature it is absent or has not been studied much (yeti, UFO, fellow travelers). About the same thing can be seen about the well-known "richness vectoring." Literally everyone discusses it, and it entered the political vocabulary very tightly, however ... however, if we talk directly and specifically about the country of Ukraine and its foreign and domestic policy before the second Maidan, then in fact it did not exist.

Here you just need to start with the very definition of what is richness vectoring. So, at least in Russia, for some reason, everyone proceeded from what this means political balancing between East and West. Maybe I'm wrong. I didn’t find such an article on Wikipedia (maybe it’s worth creating?). Thus, the richness of vector was also presented in the Ukrainian press. It was.

So that's it political I somehow did not notice the balancing of Kiev between Russia and the West. I didn’t notice - and that’s it. If anyone noticed - please tell.

What took place from the point of view of the author? Yes, elementary: a complete and exclusive political and value orientation toward the West. That's right - and nothing else. Ukrainian elites, Ukrainian journalists and political scientists looked only at the West (certainly, the author’s personal opinion). Well, there was no noticeable doubt, hesitation and discussion.

Yes, economically the country was very dependent on Russia, but even that It had no serious political significance. This did not sound serious on the Ukrainian political scene. The need to maintain trade with Russia. The only thing that caused serious interest was gas and all the issues related to its procurement and transit.

Everything, nothing more. They had some kind of strange feature-richness, don't you find? With us (it is with us!), We constantly recalled culture, language, stories, religion, economics and concluded that we are without each other nowhere. In Ukraine, they have never reasoned like this. Free-will, decisive movement of the hand they all pushed aside. Everything. Already. And religion, and history, and culture. And even the economy.

So what do they want?


But gas, unfortunately for them, was critical. And only so they agreed to talk with Russia about something. Just because. And then through gritted teeth. And at us immediately the unsuccessful “analysts” rushed to draw the pathos “figs of friendship”.

And then we were sent completely and completely. This is me for those who did not understand, translate. Ukraine (in the person of its elite) completely and finally chose the West. Already defiantly and discarding all the "fig leaves".

That is, in fact, “balancing” took place - an attempt to feed at the expense of Russia, while politically orienting itself to the West. It’s kind of yes, but it’s kind of not quite like the very richness of the vector that we have been promoting for so long. It looks like something completely different. That is, if the West agreed to feed and finance Ukraine, then they would have fled there much faster and much earlier.

The fluctuations did not lie in the plane of “civilizational choice,” but in the plane of solving the problem of European integration at the expense of Russia. It is clear that all this sounds rather banal today, but we are stubbornly continuing to discuss some alternatives. They even continue to invite certain “pro-Russian Ukrainians” to the central heating center, it is not clear for what purpose. Today, the situation with Ukraine is more than obvious.

But people with persistence worthy of a better application continue to analyze what is not clear. It’s time to understand that the “choice” was made a long time ago and not in our favor. What else is there to discuss? Is that gas. And by the way, after the actual break all and every relationship "Gas negotiations" are ongoing. "Despite everything, ice cream is on sale." That is, even after Russia became an "aggressor country", gas negotiations continue non-stop.

And why? Yes, because that is precisely what was critical for Ukraine from the very beginning. They did not give a damn about everything else. A stormy stream washed away all the turbidity, and gold of true values ​​shone on the sieve of the gold digger. And this is by no means a common history and a common culture. And today, Ukrainians are really ready to discuss the same gas as 15 years ago, but nothing more.

In Minsk as in Kiev


In the most paradoxical way in fraternal Belarus, the situation is completely similar. The main topic for intergovernmental discussions is the price of gas (well, and other purely material issues). And that’s all. Other topics somehow do not recall. At least right away. Gas prices, export of incomprehensible quality and quantity of “milk”, tractors and other things. And even the transit of foreigners through Belarus to Russia - all this is very important. Everything else matters much less. That is, Belarusians consider the money very carefully, and even those pennies that are received from the transit of individuals to Russia are very, very interesting to them.

But everything else they are interested in is much less. That is, just material issues occupy 99% of the discussion field. Excuse me, does this remind you of anything? No analogies pop up in my head? That is, in fact, the question is not even what our gas price is and how many “milk” are imported into Russia. This is just absolutely uninteresting. Another thing is interesting: Belarus also made a political choice a very long time ago, and by no means in our favor.

And so, in order to hide this extremely unpleasant and extremely disappointing fact, a loud tantrum unfolds around the "economic issues". Allegedly, everything is decided here and it is here that a certain choice is made. Apparently, having brought every batch of “sanctions” to Russia, Belarus simultaneously makes a strategic civilizational choice, and so every time with every new smuggling wagon.

In fact, there is no choice anymore, the country is in full swing along the Euroslash. That is why it is absolutely impossible to discuss any purely political issues, as previously with Ukraine. I.e Any attempt to discuss with Belarusians любые political issues immediately leads to a series of scandals. That is why Belarusians are very fond of reducing negotiations to a purely economic theme, they say, and if we have one Union State, then why are gas prices different?

That is, they are ready to suck up this very topic endlessly, while any refusal to immediately satisfy all “Wishlist” is perceived as a terrible evil and causes a powerful hysteria and high-profile threats to go to the West. It is impossible to discuss political issues in principle, because well, we have very different domestic and foreign policies. And then it begins: Belarus is an independent state, with an independent foreign policy, Belarus should first of all follow its interests, and not the interests of its ally ... and so on.

Well, or actively (under a magnifying glass), the shortcomings and failures of Russia begin to be considered, a very critical approach to the Russian leadership and the like begins to be shown ... Note that the topic will be transferred to the political plane and get at least one honest answer from Belarusians is not just difficult, but incredibly difficult. About the same cholera took place (and continues to take place) with the so-called "pro-Russian Ukrainians". There, too, in order to break through the most powerful curtain of lies and hypocrisy, truly titanic efforts must be made. But the “species” that open after this can shock many.

There is no truth in words


This interesting (truly interesting!) Moment was noticed by some clever observers just when communicating with fraternal Ukrainians - people compose so professionally, so automatically, that in order to understand at least something in their true political appearance, ask not just a question, but chain of related issues, and demand (namely, demand, not ask!) to answer precisely these asked questions, and not to reformulated ones, and here then truly shocking details come to light.

One of the main myths is the myth of economic cooperation as the basis of a political alliance. Both in Ukraine and in Belarus. The essence of this myth lies precisely in the fact that Russia “offered little”, but if it offered more ... then the choice could be made in its favor. Beautiful fairy tale. In fact, a non-alternative choice in favor of the West was made both there and there a long time ago. And in response to absolutely any Russia's proposal could be said that this is not enough.

You understand that absolutely any amount of benefit can be called "insufficient" - this is a kind of path that has no end. And each time you will be right, because ten billion more than five, and thirty more than ten, and so on to infinity. And after all, no one in Ukraine today claims that the West "helps a little", no, just everyone is very happy. This is the wiring, gentlemen.

That is, we do not discuss political issues, we are constantly conducting an economic discussion and constantly declare the lack of assistance from Russia. Here, Medvedev also stated that Belarus should value the help that Russia provides to it. What's the problem? And the problem is precisely that ordinary and not very Belarusians compare the received Russian aid not with zero (which would be logical for a sovereign state), but with their “Wishlist”. And regarding these “Wishlist” - yes, Russian assistance is very insignificant. What they managed to do after the 91st both in Ukraine and Belarus was to “grow Wishlist” just to an unearthly scale.

Therefore, we do not observe any gratitude in response. People by default assume that Russia is just the same must solve all their material problems immediately, and if this does not happen, screams, threats and insults are immediately sent to her. Oddly enough, in the Republic of Belarus in this regard everything is even much worse than in Ukraine. The situation along the Moscow-Minsk line has simply reached an exorbitant level of insanity. In the last ten years, the anti-Russian and pro-Western line of Belarus’s foreign policy has clearly taken shape. And there is already no doubt or hesitation there.

And the choice has long been made


The choice is really was donebut for quite some time now. Not at all yesterday. And he was made not in our favor. That is why official Minsk has not recognized anything and is not going to recognize it. And then “Belarusian honesty” works: that is, hints and equivocations are made that if this or that material issue is resolved in favor of the Belarusians, then ...

Sorry, the geopolitical choice is not exactly a dessert choice. That is, he is being done seriously,once and for a very long time. And all further decisions stem precisely from this very choice. RB (its elite) made such a final choice back in 2008. And then did not recognize neither Abkhazia, nor South Ossetia, nor Crimea. And the videoconferencing base did not place and was not going to place. Ukraine made such a choice in 2004 (dates are approximate, perhaps everything was decided much earlier). After which the provision any contracts and preferences on the part of Russia has not changed anything.

At the end of 2013, Ukraine requested 15 billion “loans.” The West refused in a rude form (we do not trade in democracy!), And Russia provided a loan ... after which Ukraine predictably jumped to the West! But if he had a short-barrel ... That is, just in the framework of the narrow channel that the western choice provided for her, Ukraine painfully tried to get something from Russia there. From here all problems arose. Ukrainian negotiators did not have free hands in political matters. Hence all these jumps and tricks.

And in the late autumn of 2013, Ukraine no longer made any choice. Forget it. Mr. Yanukovych (such a whole pro-Russian one!) Went to Sochi to Mr. Putin with a big personal request for money ... just for money. Wherein for no He could no longer make political concessions in principle.

Pan Lukashenko fled about the same parasites in about the same place in February 2017 (February 17th!). About the same place he wound this year “just for money”, just money, without any conditions. All the years after the “non-recognition”, that is, after 2008, negotiations on the Moscow-Minsk line have been "ever more difficult." The "secret" is elementary - at least in the Kremlin, they realized that Belarus is no longer with us, and completely revised the policy.

With Ukraine, the same disgrace began after 2004. That is, Ukraine, in the person of its elites, has finally chosen the West (Maidan-1 is a kind of mega-referendum), and Russia, in response, began to fasten the faucet of economic assistance. I can, of course, be mistaken, but in 2004 they offered gas for almost $ 40 per thousand cubic meters. It seemed "little." After Maidan-1, prices crawled up and crawled far for $ 300 for the same thousand cubic meters. Even up to 400 dollars. Something like this.

But no it did not influence the foreign and domestic policy of Ukraine. This is where we lie about the choice! The choice has already been made. Ukrainians could spit and swear, but they could not demonstrate any riches. Because it was not originally. There was a myth about her. And there were endless gas talks. That is, they could just “start spitting gas from the pipe,” but they could not make any serious political concessions.

With Lukashenko - the same story. The same endless gas talks. The reason for their infinity is simple: Belarusians need low prices, and they can’t make any political counter-concessions. They are no longer free in this regard. An extreme case is the story with the base of the videoconferencing. In fact - a trifle, so, a trifle. In strategic terms, this does not mean anything and does not change anything. Purely local event. But, having returned to Minsk, Lukashenko immediately disavowed all agreements on this issue.

The richness myth


Well, think for yourself: by and large - there is this base, it is not there, nothing changes in the life of the Republic of Belarus, as in the life of the Russian Federation. So, a minor concession. But even here, Lukashenko was categorically incapable of such a small tactical step. Dictator, speak? Richness of vector? Agree that even the recognition of Tskhinval & Sukhum did not change absolutely nothing in Belarusian politics (provided that it is really rich-vector). Here they lost to Europe, here to Russia ... It’s something everyday. That is, this, in fact, petty solution almost completely removed a huge layer of problems in Russian-Belarusian relations. But at the same time in itself, no alliance has ever meant. This is a very dangerous illusion.

That is, three small, essentially local solutions (Crimea, base and Ossetia) almost completely cleared all the congestion on the path of gas negotiations and other economic negotiations. But this step was never taken. Is it exactly richness vector? Are you sure? That is, in fact, the mythical richness of the vector almost completely eliminates alliance. It is impossible to combine these two things. But the funny thing is that even the richness of the vector has not been observed for the past 10 years in relations between Belarus and the Russian Federation.

For all the pro-Western steps of Belarus, we are given explanations in terms of: we must work out an alternative (you don’t take milk from us ...). On the proposal to indicate some pro-Russian steps, deathly silence in the refrigerator follows. Well, or reasoning in terms of: yes, we are really cool guys in life ... That is, today the discussion of a certain unification of the Russian Federation with the Republic of Belarus is just a complete and absolute political science fiction. Because in the last decade, even the previous step - alliance - was somehow not observed from the word "completely." And there wasn’t even an even lower rung - richness of vector as such. Alas.

Therefore, even raising the question of unification today is completely absurd and untimely. That is why our Belarusian opponents, easily skipping the previous steps, begin to “rub” something about the union there. Which, of course, will take place, will certainly be, but not now, but in so many years ... many. No need to rush here!

No one, excuse me, does not start building a house from the roof, this is not accepted. That is, when the foundation pit has not yet been dug, you will not be able to lay the tiles unequivocally. This is impossible. That is, there is such a beautiful logical trick: they say that we are all talking about some minor disagreements? About some petty politics? We have the union (!) In front, but we must thoroughly prepare for it. In the meantime, you can start shouting "Hurray" and throwing bonnets into the air.

That is, the problem of Belarusians is precisely this: they need to offer the Russians at least something interesting, but there is absolutely nothing to offer. Both in politics and in ideology, a clear course "from Russia" has been taken. And when you get another “loan”, some tension involuntarily arises. And here comes the magic wand: integration! People begin to chat animatedly about some future “integration” and its conditions.

Well, since everyone understands that integration is a serious matter, then it can be postponed to the far, distant future and thoroughly prepare for this and discuss everything. Thus, classic political technology, which has become classical, is used: “either check or donkey”. That is, people have been ready to “integrate” for another 20 years.

Once again: all the same, I would like to see that very “multi-vector approach” in action, but, apparently, it is no longer fate — both with Ukraine and Belarus. Discussing a frankly artificial propaganda construct is ridiculous and absurd.

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  1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 15: 06 New
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    Ukrainian elites, Ukrainian journalists and political scientists looked only at the West (of course, the author’s personal opinion).

    Replace the word "Ukrainian" with the word "Russian" - all the same.
    Then rub about patriotism, and to own real estate and business there.
    Separated flies from cutlets.
    1. knn54 9 March 2020 15: 51 New
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      A Ukrainian and a Negro ride on a train. The black man takes out a banana and begins to eat it. Ukrainian turns to him: “What are you eating?” Negro: “Banana”. Ukrainian:
      "And give it a try?" The black man is divided. After some time, the Ukrainian takes out the fat and begins to eat it. Negro: “What are you eating?” Ukrainian: “Fat!”
      Negro: "And give it a try?" Ukrainian: "Why sho try it? Fat yak fat."
      1. Basil50 9 March 2020 16: 15 New
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        Your comments are such that you, like the author, cannot accept that there are those for whom to be decent, without tangible (monetized) benefits, is unacceptable.
        For them, decency without paying for this decency is just stupid. It is a pity that most often this goes unpunished, but the most disgusting thing is that these villains have written themselves in moralists and dare to judge others.
        By the way, the thesis that * the people have nothing to do with it * is erroneous. Have Lukashenko been elected? In addition, there in Belarus, as well as in the outskirts, they are diligently growing a new growth for which we are * non-brothers *, and some kind of donors who owe them. According to conviction, every year there are more and more such parasites.
        1. atalef 9 March 2020 17: 22 New
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          Quote: Vasily50
          Your comments are such that you, like the author, cannot accept that there are those for whom to be decent, without tangible (monetized) benefits, is unacceptable.

          But you understand that this often applies to both the buyer and seller.
          Quote: Vasily50
          For them, decency without paying for this decency is just stupid.

          And what do you mean by decency - decency, you probably mean decency in relation to .... to whom?
          Quote: Vasily50
          In addition, there in Belarus, as well as in the outskirts, they are diligently growing a new shoot for whom we are * non-brothers *, and some kind of donors who owe them

          Well, in general, you do not owe anything to anyone, as they can call brothers - the one they want.
          You’re not their brothers, actually.
          so what's the grudge?
          1. major147 9 March 2020 19: 49 New
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            Quote: atalef
            And what do you mean by decency - decency, you probably mean decency in relation to .... to whom?

            But can a decent person in life be not decent towards someone?
            1. atalef 9 March 2020 20: 16 New
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              Quote: major147
              But can a decent person in life be not decent towards someone?

              depending on who is that someone.
              1. major147 9 March 2020 20: 19 New
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                Quote: atalef
                Quote: major147
                But can a decent person in life be not decent towards someone?

                depending on who is that someone.

                Those. decent man, but options are possible?
                1. atalef 9 March 2020 20: 33 New
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                  Quote: major147
                  Those. decent man, but options are possible?

                  live with wolves - howl like a wolf.
                  1. akarfoxhound 9 March 2020 21: 32 New
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                    A man cannot be a bastard here, not here. Yours is not about decency, but about opportunistic sl. Xe. But it seems to you - it doesn’t matter
                    1. atalef 9 March 2020 21: 42 New
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                      Quote: akarfoxhound
                      A man cannot be a bastard here, not here. Yours is not about decency, but about opportunistic sl. Xe. But it seems to you - it doesn’t matter

                      Stop throwing your idealistic chips.
                      There is no absolute decency, no absolute truth, no absolute rules and ideal laws.
                      The world is not black and white in it a huge number of shades.
                      Enough to talk about decency - it can be different and the same for different people.
                      1. akarfoxhound 9 March 2020 23: 28 New
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                        Well, I said - you do not understand. Quite often there is such a self-confident type of people - if it is not clear and does not fit into your personal framework, then this is not. wink
                    2. rich 10 March 2020 01: 34 New
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                      Quote: major147
                      Those. decent man, but options are possible?

                      Of course possible. Absolutely all adjective objects, as parts of speech and semantic load are relative. I explain. Take for example any adjective, for example - ". Scary." For a mouse, a home cat is scary, and for a wolf, a meat pie yes Everything is relative.
          2. anykin 10 March 2020 10: 48 New
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            Quote: atalef
            what do you mean by decency

            Honesty.
          3. Akuzenka 10 March 2020 13: 33 New
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            Hardly offense, rather bewilderment. But they forgot that today capitalism is in the yard, and perplexity has been going on since the Soviet era. His own .... Alas, they no longer became their own, as soon as the USSR was plundered. Russia for Belarus is just a sales market and a supplier of cheap resources. Everything that goes beyond this causes a fair indignation in the Republic of Belarus. It is strange that the Russian Federation, to this day, does not have such indignation. I think it will exchange the Republic of Belarus and its independence for "European values." And then, Europe will return them to itself, with interest. This is how we now see 404 as an example.
        2. Basil50 9 March 2020 17: 33 New
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          I ask you to pay attention to the comment (alexander)
          This is how prostitution is justified not only by the body, but also by its worldview. Very significant
          1. atalef 9 March 2020 21: 46 New
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            Quote: Vasily50
            I ask you to pay attention to the comment (alexander)
            This is how prostitution is justified not only by the body, but also by its worldview. Very significant

            You probably have never dealt with women of easy virtue, and so my wife, as a lawyer, defended them in the courts and against deportation as well.
            You do not know life - there are different cases and women in prostitution find themselves for hundreds of different reasons and far from everyone deserves condemnation.
            Your comments - at the school level - have not seen and do not know life.
            Dosvidos- grow up, maybe then we'll talk.
            1. cherkas.oe 9 March 2020 23: 01 New
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              Quote: atalef
              so here is my wife by profession as a lawyer

              The second oldest profession after prostitution and occupation, the third journalism.
            2. anykin 10 March 2020 10: 53 New
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              Quote: Vasily50
              This is how prostitution is justified not only by the body but also by worldview

              Quote: atalef
              different cases happen and women get into prostitution

              A question about one, an answer about another))
        3. Minipig79 9 March 2020 18: 27 New
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          Lukashnko was elected once; he was the very first in 1994. And then - self-re-election. No, of course, parasitic parasites, police, and administration — they honestly vote in favor. And the rest, thank you, if for a long time in the villages they spit on this very one.
          Tell me the secret of how and whom we diligently raise? Maybe I go and do not see the obvious.
        4. Gardamir 9 March 2020 18: 28 New
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          In addition, here in Russia they are diligently raising a new shoot for which we are all * non-brothers *,.
          Something like this. Is it not Russian resources that fuel hysteria? Forgive Africans, but Belarusians are enemies.
          1. Okolotochny 9 March 2020 18: 58 New
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            Africans forgiven Soviet debts. The obligation to pay the Soviet public debt Russia took over. Gardamir, stop cheating.
            1. Gardamir 9 March 2020 19: 55 New
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              Africans forgiven Soviet debts
              And how long will you forgive Soviet debts?
              1. Okolotochny 10 March 2020 12: 20 New
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                And why didn’t your leaders get their idols, but continued to give away knowingly that these countries would never be given? Did not make it? Why didn’t you? And why didn’t the "fraternal republics" share the debt burden of Soviet debts that your idols took "fraternally" with Russia? It turns out that your idols still borrowed from the west? Ideological opponents were borrowed ??? Gardamir, better not say anything, get off the wise one)))
            2. Ingvar 72 10 March 2020 08: 47 New
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              Quote: Okolotochny
              Africans forgiven Soviet debts.

              Counter-question - has anyone forgiven Russia for Soviet debts?
              1. Okolotochny 10 March 2020 12: 16 New
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                Enough of verbiage and idle talk. I pointed out the logical non-docking (lack of mind) in the statement of your party member Gardamira. He, due to lack of (I said what), evaded the answer with a statement like "himself d ... k". You, apparently because of the lack of the same that Gardamir does not have, got in and supported the verbiage of your party member. Wow, how the monarchists live with the Communists - Tamara and I walk a couple)))
                1. Ingvar 72 10 March 2020 16: 03 New
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                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  Enough of verbiage and idle talk.

                  You are doing this, leading away the conversation by mentioning that the debts are Soviet. If you remember, Russia is the successor to the USSR, and all debts from the year 91 are Russian.
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  Wow, how the monarchists live with the Communists - Tamara and I walk a couple)))

                  Although we have different views on some things, but unlike you, we are patriots of our country, not the government.
                  1. sleeve 11 March 2020 05: 52 New
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                    Patriots? And which country are you patriots?
          2. major147 9 March 2020 19: 51 New
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            Quote: Gardamir
            In addition, here in Russia they are diligently raising a new shoot for which we are all * non-brothers *,.
            Something like this. Is it not Russian resources that fuel hysteria? Forgive Africans, but Belarusians are enemies.

            I think that by saying “Belarusians” people need to be separated from the authorities.
            1. Olezhek 9 March 2020 20: 00 New
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              I think that by saying “Belarusians” people need to be separated from the authorities.


              And what happens? belay
              1. major147 9 March 2020 20: 17 New
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                Quote: Olezhek
                I think that by saying “Belarusians” people need to be separated from the authorities.


                And what happens? belay

                Imagine. It is foolish to blame the machine operator from the Gomel region for the situation with oil from Russia, how foolish it is to blame me for forgiving a debt of some kind to Zimbabwe.
              2. Alexey LK 10 March 2020 03: 11 New
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                Quote: Olezhek
                I think that by saying “Belarusians” people need to be separated from the authorities.


                And what happens?


                Maybe I will surprise you, but it doesn’t just happen, but it always should be, if you want to understand something and build an effective line of behavior.
                The people as a whole are a kind of element, to the analysis of whose behavior, as well as to attempts to influence it, completely different approaches should be applied than when you want to convince a person with the help of rational arguments.
                If I understand correctly, you are the author of the article. So, your "richness of vector" - this is ignorance of the Ukrainian word "bagato-vector" - literally, simply "multi-vector", i.e. nothing to do with wealth. But this is not the main thing - you in the article appeal incomprehensibly to whom. The fact that public opinion in "fraternal countries" (in quotation marks, since there are no fraternal countries - there are and can only be fraternal peoples) is absolutely dependent on the influence of the information field, it should be clear without additional arguments - this is a reality in which we live, the property of "social matter". In a simple way, the mood of the broad masses is twisted as they want. Therefore, the question boils down to who "twists" and how and what tasks and goals it pursues. Depending on the task set for the state propaganda, people can easily and quickly explain both the desirability and even the necessity and inevitability of integration, say, of Belarus with the Russian Federation, and the directly opposite thesis. And I personally have no doubt that if the task were set like this, then it would have been completed long ago and effectively (of course, the operation would have to be complex - not only in information, but also in political, economic, social, etc. D. measurements). Those. already we would have seen how the enthusiastic residents of the two countries lined up in a living chain, holding hands, connecting the two capitals along the M-1 motorway ... But you need to understand that you are not acting on your own, in empty space. What will lead to your strengthening will find obstacles due to the opposition of your enemies. And in no case can not be allowed not just failures, but even hiccups in the process of integration with the Republic of Belarus - it simply must be exemplary! I hope it’s clear why. Residents of Belarus should immediately, unambiguously and significantly feel the improvement, if not in all, then in many areas of their lives after integration - and, thus, should themselves become the "free apologists" of the association, so that other countries in the queue have no doubts ... But this requires careful preparation, it is necessary to create the conditions ... I think that the time has not come yet. And actor Lukashenko is not bad ...
                If we proceed from the concept that people nevertheless have some subjectivity, i.e. something influences and his opinion somehow determines the policy of his country, then everything is simple - you need to clearly demonstrate to him (say, Belarusians) that here, where we invite you to integrate, to live much better ... Well Is this a bad goal in itself?
                In short, the matter is not in Belarusians and not in Ukrainians! They are just the most ordinary, typical peoples-inhabitants. Does Russia have any kind of policy, strategy in this regard? Can it be implemented? And certainly it doesn’t matter to the people what the price of gas or oil is - no one will clearly explain to you what the relationship is between prices and personally his / her level or quality of life. It matters only for those who make money on it, and for all others it’s an emotional informational guide, no more.
          3. Caretaker 9 March 2020 20: 24 New
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            Quote: Gardamir
            Something like this. Is it not Russian resources that fuel hysteria? Forgive Africans, but Belarusians are enemies.

            Right!
            Gas for Belarus and Bulgaria is sold at the same price, but for the Republic of Belarus, it is “Wishlist”, and for Bulgaria it is a “global trend.
            In the most paradoxical way in fraternal Belarus, the situation is completely analogous. The main topic for intergovernmental discussions is the price of gas (well, and other purely material issues). And that’s all. Other topics somehow do not recall.

            Why discuss the topic of the Russian language, which is the state language in Belarus. Why discuss the topic of military cooperation, the degree of integration in which is not lower than it was in the ATS.
            Unfortunately, the author is not aware of this.
            Paradoxically, the author of the article did not mention the coordinated and uncoordinated "road maps". Surely there are serious disputes there.
            Which of the participants in the discussion is ready to give a list of agreed and inconsistent "road maps", only honestly? The media are silent, do not give an answer.
            One of the main myths is the myth of economic cooperation as the basis of a political alliance.

            So, according to the author of the article, economic cooperation between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus does not exist yet?
            Doesn't a political alliance exist?
            The heads of state will be surprised, they thought that there is cooperation and the degree of integration is unprecedented.
            Although, the author has the right to have an opinion on this issue.
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              Although, the author has the right to have an opinion on this issue.

              His opinion is too intrusive, go over his articles. You can see them in his profile. He saw the Belarusians somewhere in life crossed the road.
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                His opinion is too intrusive, go over his articles. You can see them in his profile. He saw the Belarusians somewhere in life crossed the road.

                It is noteworthy that the opinion of the author of the article is fundamentally different from the official position of the head of state (RF).
                It looks like a non-systemic opposition, judging by the rhetoric. But, no one can forbid to defend his (or "his") point of view, both in articles and in comments.
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                  Quote: Caretaker
                  It is noteworthy that the opinion of the author of the article is fundamentally different from the official position of the head of state (RF).

                  It looks like a game of bad and good cops.
                  Quote: Caretaker
                  But, no one can forbid to defend his (or "his") point of view, both in articles and in comments.

                  I agree, but Yegorov’s engagement in relation to Belarus is already sore. He already has more than a dozen articles on the "freebies" of Belarusians.
                  In modeling the psychotype of a society, it is not the impact force that matters, but its duration. hi
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                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    It looks like a game of bad and good cops.

                    "Police" of different levels, and so it seems, the "voice of the people."
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I agree, but Yegorov’s engagement in relation to Belarus is already sore. He already has more than a dozen articles on the "freebies" of Belarusians.

                    I agree that in this and other articles, the one-sided coverage of the topic and the frank “distortion” of facts are unpleasantly surprising.
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          5. Alexey RA 10 March 2020 19: 10 New
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            Quote: Gardamir
            Something like this. Is it not Russian resources that fuel hysteria? Forgive Africans, but Belarusians are enemies.

            Africa forgiven $ 20 billion for the entire existence of the Russian Federation.
            Belarus is pulling this amount out of the Russian budget in three years.
        5. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 23: 33 New
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          By the way, the thesis that * the people have nothing to do with it * is erroneous. Have Lukashenko been elected?

          Well, Putin was elected. What's the question.
      2. Uncle Izya 9 March 2020 19: 18 New
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        But you comrade would share sturgeon caviar with your Negro comrade laughing
      3. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 23: 02 New
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        Quote: knn54
        Shaw to try it? Fat is fat. "

        Shaw to try it? Gas and gas in Africa.
    2. Kronos 9 March 2020 17: 48 New
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      Yeah, and then the accusations of Belarusians or Ukrainians are riveted
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        Yeah, and then the accusations of Belarusians or Ukrainians are riveted

        And where do they, Russia has its own life, its own people, but why feed others.
        1. Kronos 9 March 2020 23: 37 New
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          When the next article on the topic of someone feeds everyone, know the capitalists want to rob those whom they allegedly feed. Under the song that everyone feeds everyone and how the USSR will heal itself
          1. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 23: 40 New
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            Quote: Kronos
            When the next article on the topic of someone feeds everyone, know the capitalists want to rob those whom they allegedly feed

            Let's be simpler, capitalist Putin does not want to feed capitalist Lukashenko. And who is robbing whom ???
          2. Alexey RA 10 March 2020 19: 13 New
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            Quote: Kronos
            When the next article on the topic of someone feeds everyone, know the capitalists want to rob those whom they allegedly feed.

            Allegedly?
            ... from 2000 to 2010, the level of annual financial support of Belarus or the shortfall of income of the Russian Federation in our economic relations ranged from hundreds of millions of dollars to 2-3 billion, and now it is 5-6 billion per year
            © Mikhail Babich
  2. lexa333 9 March 2020 15: 08 New
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    There is nothing to comment on. They are coming our way. Sorry.
    1. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 23: 03 New
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      Quote: lexa333
      There is nothing to comment on. They are coming our way. Sorry.

      After 1991, the path is one CAPITALISM.
  3. DMB 75 9 March 2020 15: 21 New
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    Yes, the old man was already tired of blackmailing him ... But he himself does not recognize Crimea, does not let him build a base, the ally is called ... But take out the price of gas, as in the Smolensk region, but there will be no integration with him, no brainer.
    1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 16: 30 New
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      And he does not recognize the Crimea

      So we ourselves ... Sberbank Crimea does not recognize, what is it about the Old Man.
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        Quote: Honest Citizen
        So we ourselves ... Sberbank Crimea does not recognize

        Oh, trouble ... trouble is trouble (s) laughing
      2. businessv 9 March 2020 20: 17 New
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        So we ourselves ... Sberbank Crimea does not recognize, what is it about the Old Man.

        Crimea is not recognized by all banks in Russia, everyone is afraid of personal sanctions - how then to go to their over the hill? It’s only local, but it seems to work quite well until the Central Bank has taken away the licenses, although it’s also afraid that it will deprive the license, and the sanctions have been contacted by the leadership of Crimea! smile There’s not even a Pyaterochka, not to mention the Crossroads - sanctions, however!
    2. Minipig79 9 March 2020 18: 28 New
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      Hedgehog is understandable, but the gdp continuously pumped and pumped in loot and loans. Is it not a hidden enemy, comrade gdp?
    3. ZAV69 9 March 2020 19: 29 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      There will be no integration with him, a no brainer.

      The house will be in Smolensk. So as not to go far
    4. Caretaker 9 March 2020 20: 45 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      Yes, the old man was already tired of blackmailing him ... But he himself does not recognize the Crimea, nor does he allow the base to be built, the ally is called ...

      Why does Russia need a base in Belarus? Imagine that Belarus wants to create a base in the Kaliningrad region? For what?
      The armed forces are already integrated, only shhhh ... no word about that.

      Crimea has already been recognized de facto, and Lukashenko has repeatedly spoken about this.
      In Crimea, de jure there are no Rosneft, Sberbank, VTB, Russian Railways and many other Russian companies.
      Offer Belarus to run ahead of the Russian steam locomotive?
      1. Olezhek 10 March 2020 07: 33 New
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        Why does Russia need a base in Belarus? Imagine that Belarus wants to create a base in the Kaliningrad region? For what?


        Good such advice - do not "turn on the fool"
        And why do the States deploy bases in Europe in general and in Poland in particular?
        What for?
        Belarus stupidly does not have a modern army. Not at all. Nothing to post.
        And in general, from the military point of view, Belarus is an empty space, in which case NATO members will pass there like on parquet.

        Crimea has already been recognized de facto, and Lukashenko has repeatedly spoken about this.


        Again, no need to tell beautiful tales.
        The Belarusian state officially considers Crimea to be Ukrainian.
        All. Someone's hints and equivocations do not play a role.

        In Crimea, de jure there are no Rosneft, Sberbank, VTB, Russian Railways and many other Russian companies.
        Offer Belarus to run ahead of the Russian steam locomotive?


        There is a Russian state and Russian armed forces.

        You see - Belarusians are not going to do anything in this situation, they are going to sit and poison the bikes
        And who needs them after that?
      2. D. Gorodensky 11 March 2020 23: 39 New
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        They imperistye show off more expensive. There is a reason to embed their "woof", and by themselves in the Russian Federation they are sick and sissyKotno recognize Crimea as Russian.
    5. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 23: 42 New
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      Yes, the old man is already tired of blackmailing him.

      Sorry, but Old Man is the same capitalist as Putin. How do they differ from each other?
      1. vlad106 15 March 2020 19: 49 New
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        Old Man is the same capitalist as Putin. How do they differ from each other ...
        ===========================
        which capitalist?
        in Belarus, all property is nation-wide, and local factories operate.
  4. Sancho_SP 9 March 2020 15: 27 New
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    Well, who’s talking about ..

    Elites make money. Methods are completely irrelevant. Today it’s profitable like this ...
    1. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 23: 43 New
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      Quote: Sancho_SP
      Elites make money. Methods are completely irrelevant

      Capitalism is profit.
  5. Scipio 9 March 2020 15: 33 New
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    Old Man does not understand that as soon as he goes west and quarrels with Russia, he will not have long to be the head of state. Who needs Belarusian products in the west? He spits in the well from which he himself takes water ..... And the stupid blackmail does not work anymore ...
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      He understands, of course, that he has the richest experience, then a game for the public
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      Old Man does not understand that as soon as he goes west and quarrels with Russia, he will not have long to be the head of state.

      that is, he is the permanent head of state (in your opinion) - not because he is so good, but solely because Russia does not allow him to be dropped?
      Quote: Scipio
      Who needs Belarusian products in the west? He spits in the well from which he himself takes water ..... And the stupid blackmail does not work anymore ...

      Generally not entirely clear.
      Ie do you mean that you buy from Belarus nobody else needed bullshit?
      1. Scipio 9 March 2020 17: 39 New
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        And in your opinion because of what? Lukashenko is called a dictator in the west, what do they do with dictators in the west, in the know? A lot of examples.
        Who is the main customer of MAZ, BelAZ and special tractors for military equipment, who is the main buyer of dairy products in Belarus? Europe?
        And the so-called Belarusian economic miracle, which allowed Lukashenko’s regime to exist not bad, from where? Ingenious managers? Shish there!
        1. Caretaker 9 March 2020 20: 53 New
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          Quote: Scipio
          Lukashenko is called a dictator in the west, what do they do with dictators in the west, in the know?

          So you are pro-Western oriented or write from there?
          Quote: Scipio
          And the so-called Belarusian economic miracle, which allowed Lukashenko’s regime to exist not bad, from where?

          Refusal of predatory privatization.
          Smart learn from other people's mistakes, like the Chinese, for example.
          1. Alexey RA 10 March 2020 19: 17 New
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            Quote: Caretaker
            Refusal of predatory privatization.

            Mwa ha ha ...
            ... from 2000 to 2010, the level of annual financial support of Belarus or the shortfall of income of the Russian Federation in our economic relations ranged from hundreds of millions of dollars to 2-3 billion, and now it is 5-6 billion per year

            Here it is - the true source Belarusian miracle.
            And here is the structure of Belarusian exports:
            - You know, in sport there is such a term - a habitual dislocation. Such a “dislocation” has been going on for many years in the assessments of individual leaders of Russia's real contribution to the development of the Belarusian economy, including by opening their markets for Belarusian goods.
            Someone really does not want to admit completely obvious facts. And the numbers. And they are as follows: out of 5,13 billion dollars of Belarusian agricultural products export, which our friends are so proud of, 4,1 billion falls on the Russian Federation, that is 80%. In milk, of the total exports of Belarus in 2018, this is 85%, butter - 72%, cheese and cottage cheese - 84%.
            For example, China, which is now cited as an example, accounts for only 74 million dollars of agricultural supplies from Belarus, and 216 million dollars to the EU.

            What will happen to export after Belarus turns to the West? And there will be an inevitable border with him, customs and duties. And a decrease in the competitiveness of Belarusian goods due to the inevitable increase in prices in the Russian market.
            Or is someone thinking of being in the EU and the CU right away? wink
      2. Olezhek 9 March 2020 17: 50 New
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        that is, he is the permanent head of state (in your opinion) - not because he is so good, but solely because Russia does not allow him to be dropped?


        Milosevic
        Saddam
        Gaddafi

        Doesn’t say anything?
        They were not bad
        but finished very badly

        .e you mean that you buy from Belarus no one else needed bullshit?


        This means that after the closure of the Russian market, all Belarusian industry can be closed.
        Agriculture - Similarly
        1. IS-80_RVGK2 10 March 2020 15: 16 New
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          Saddam

          You would be easier on the bends.
      3. musketon64 9 March 2020 18: 22 New
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        ///// That is, do you mean that you buy from Belarus no one else needs the bullshit? ////
        Yes, in Russia too few people need it according to the "price / quality" criterion. Not competitive. And this is without any customs duties. In our city, almost all the "From the Old Man" shops were closed.
        1. Minipig79 9 March 2020 18: 46 New
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          Your Ipeshniks hung barbel on advertising stickers, screwed up any interest you like. In Belarus there are no stores "from the aunt", "from the grandmother", etc.
          1. musketon64 9 March 2020 19: 20 New
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            ///// In Belarus there are no stores "from the aunt", "from the grandmother", etc. /////
            Well, no and no. And we had (keyword). True, tents have appeared now, Belarusians themselves have arrived. Purchasing hype is somehow not observed. Judging by the prices, and not surprisingly.
            //// Your Ipeshniks hung barbel on advertising stickers, screwed on any percentages you like ./////
            And where did you see IPES working without their interest? When it was not profitable to fasten interest on increasing prices (see above), they switched to purchases from domestic manufacturers.
        2. Minipig79 9 March 2020 19: 25 New
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          Little or not little. Aunt when arriving from Kurgan, constantly buys our strong cotton clothes. Considers, for some reason, high-quality. And the fact remains: the lion's share of woodworking, dairy, meat, engine building, mechanical engineering, car manufacturing, is somehow alive thanks to exports to the Russian Federation (and state support, of course). So take it. It will close the Russian Federation market; a mustachioed comrade will suffice immediately.
          1. musketon64 9 March 2020 19: 42 New
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            //// And the fact remains: the lion's share of the woodworking, dairy, meat, engine building, mechanical engineering, automotive industry is somehow alive thanks to export to the Russian Federation (and state support, of course). ////
            Well, thank God. As they say not to fat, I would be living. Here's a look at the "Blue-eyed Choke" movie. By the way, from a native of Belarus. Especially from the 45th minute tin. Https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = vg94wC_uRhY
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              Quote: musketone64
              Especially from the 45th minute tin.

              I live in a place where for a long time they have not been surprised at anything. He paused twice, on a smoke break. Still overlooked. 21st century. Starch Pasha never ceases to amaze. Photos of several of his friends in a nearby police department hopelessly hang under the words "They are wanted by the police."
      4. Alexey RA 10 March 2020 19: 26 New
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        Quote: atalef
        Ie do you mean that you buy from Belarus nobody else needed bullshit?

        No. We buy from Belarus that it cannot sell anywhere else in such quantities. For the markets are already divided.
        If the Russian market is lost, where will Belarus go to offer 80% of exports in the same food sector? Who needs Belarusian agricultural products in the EU? And how much Belarus will have to pay for the potential export to the EU in the same quantities as in the Russian Federation (I mean certification)?
        True, there is still China. But then it pops up yes ruble - transportation.
    3. Minipig79 9 March 2020 18: 29 New
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      He earned his billions (not rubles) a long time ago.
    4. businessv 9 March 2020 20: 30 New
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      Who needs Belarusian products in the west? He spits in the well from which he himself takes water ..... And the stupid blackmail does not work anymore ...

      Not only But father spits, all the former Soviet republics. The most nasty thing is that the leadership of our neighbors perfectly understands that nobody needs them in the collective West due to the banal backwardness in all areas of existence. But from them you can make a good buffer, in case of hostilities. Moreover, at a low cost - to allow the leadership, the oligarchy and their families to use Western benefits and - voila! The same thing applies to our oligarchs and bureaucrats of the highest rank. They, these poor fellows, are wholly and completely dependent on the countries in which their families live and their capital is located. As long as this happens, neither we nor our neighbors will live normally, unfortunately.
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      This is not blackmail, boy, but a demand to comply with the signed agreements, which the Russian Federation changes its mind every year.
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    Yes, let this Lukashenko bring down wherever he wants!
    Comrade Assad is now our friend, and also Erdogan - now it’s our everything ...
    Maduro is kind of like a friend.
    And there’s also Yanukovych in Rostov ...
    So go to your Europe, and here we are with a mustache .....
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    Zhirinovsky, once correctly said that she was from the great mistakes of the USSR was the construction of large enterprises in such national republics as Ukraine and Belarus and that it was necessary to build only in Russia itself. How much Ukraine prosrali wonderful production .....
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      Quote: Scipio
      How much Ukraine prosrali wonderful production .....

      replace the word "Ukraine" with "Russia." The meaning will not change.
      1. Scipio 9 March 2020 15: 58 New
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        If the meaning had not changed, then Russia as a country did not exist. Yes, they lost a lot of things, but they saved a lot, and some of them started to revive. Ukraine, too, may want to revive, but fail, it is not financially understandable, and the experts fled .......
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          So Ukraine and Belarus did not disappear ...
          We have exactly like them, even Chinese-made underpants and socks, only our products ...
          1. Scipio 9 March 2020 16: 05 New
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            Then here, as in America, they also have Chinese socks and underpants! Ingenious comparison
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              They have a developed industry and almost the entire Internet (except classmates and Yandex).
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              Then here, as in America, they also have Chinese socks and underpants! Ingenious comparison

              I am glad that you recognized the inferiority of the path chosen by you and your brothers.
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          and some began to revive.

          Give examples of what we began to revive? Ah, there was an article about a shipyard ...
          And what have we revived in microelectronics, machine tools? What have we revived in heavy engineering? In pharmacology? In the production of medical equipment?
          You understand, assembly production in Russia is not a revival. This minimizes the costs of the owner of the company.
          And the vile agitation "made by us" - when the achievement is the construction of something for 10-20 jobs - this is agitation.
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          2. Scipio 9 March 2020 16: 21 New
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            Your problem is that you need everything at once. How many specialists and scientists were lost? The same processor that we have come up with that everyone laughs at, this is a step in development, further more
            1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 16: 26 New
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              My problem is what I want to ask: was 20 not enough? What has been done in 20 years?
              Why every year I hear "there is no time for buildup," and everything continues to remain in place.
              Why for MCC they ordered electric locomotives from Siemens and not from their
              Why Vostochny began to be built without a project
              Why did our athletes compete under the neutral flag at the 2018 Olympics
              Where did our radio plants go?
              Where 25 million new, high-tech jobs
              And such questions are not with me alone.
              PySy. By the way, about the lost scientists ... And 20 years ago it was not clear that the brain drain is not doing well?
              1. Scipio 9 March 2020 16: 31 New
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                You probably didn’t live in Russia all this time, for 20 years the country has come to its senses from the collapse of the USSR! The country survived, not developed! What are you doing for society? Are you some kind of specialist whose work is good for others? Or are you only a specialist in buttons to make money and pour out gall?
                1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 16: 38 New
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                  After the most terrible war, the country not only regained its power, but was the first in the world to send man into space. And it took her 16 years.
                  We have passed 20.
                  Maybe the matter is the political will of the leadership?
                  And, by the way, the transition in a conversation to a person is a method of a typical demagogue. \
                  PySy. Can you answer the questions of the previous post instead of the guarantor?
                  1. Scipio 9 March 2020 16: 43 New
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                    Reception of a typical loser, to see the negative in everything around! Where did I get personal? About the specialist at the click of a button? It was a question! And by the way, I’m ready to argue that you are not a serious specialist in anything, and the most common whiner is to blame for everything around. Now I got personal
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                      Are you doing what is good for society? Are you some kind of specialist whose work is beneficial for others?

                      Those. it is in your opinion, not the transition to the individual?
                      Well, first you tell yourself about yourself, who you are, what you have done, how much useful you have done for your homeland, and then ask others.
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                        I explain again, it was a question! You do not understand the difference between the questions and the statement ???
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                2. Kronos 9 March 2020 17: 52 New
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                  No one in stable 2000 prevented everything from developing for this - the price of oil, there were no sanctions.
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                  Let me intervene. To remind that with all, albeit small successes in our industry, our elite remains comprador.
                  Like a litmus test, the struggle of this very elite against the inclusion in the Constitution of a clause on the inability of officials to have real estate abroad.
                  You don’t see such a point in the Constitution, you know - the corrupt elite won. And talking about success is very early.
                4. Caretaker 9 March 2020 21: 05 New
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                  ... 20 years the country came to life from the collapse of the USSR!

                  To be precise - 29 years.
                  For comparison, 29 years after the Great Patriotic War (by 1974), the USSR managed to do a lot of things.
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                Quote: Honest Citizen
                And such questions are not with me alone.
                PySy. By the way, about the lost scientists ... And 20 years ago it was not clear that the brain drain is not doing well?

                Sergey, you’re right .. but not everyone is able to ask questions, even to himself .. and there are two reasons, the first is to have critical thinking, and therefore intelligence, and the second, which follows from the first, is enough for many when answers to questions gives them the media ..
                But there is an antidote and the only remedy that helps to separate flies from cutlets is the facts .. and they are:
                -Population of Russia is reduced by 300-400 tons per year, and this despite the influx of non-citizens .. who are given the Russian passport .. which means that the decrease is much higher ..
                -As you know, it is scientific discoveries that are the basis or foundation for the development of the economy in the future .. But it is also known that nothing is known about our discoveries ..
                Otherwise, they simply do not.
                - The economy has not changed for 30 years .. it is still a commodity ..
                - Medicine even the guarantor gave an assessment .. on this without comment
                - Industry, machine tool industry, electronics - this is simply not there.
                While oil was expensive, today's magicians easily managed to build illusions among the population, and stuff pockets in parallel .. as soon as the oil went down, many people immediately felt at their fifth point, hu hu ..
                The conclusion is obvious - thieving mediocrity rule the country .. But it would not be so scary if they had not yet remade the Constitution and laws for themselves ..
                1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 20: 12 New
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                  Vladimir
                  It’s scary not only to rewrite the Constitution. It is terrible that the apologist of the "darkest sect" does not understand this.
                  For the 2020 strategy and the HPP (which no one saw) - so no one was held responsible. All problems are agitated.
                  So everything is fine. Fall (s)
            2. Minipig79 9 March 2020 18: 42 New
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              What does it mean all at once? Further, maybe YOU, as an employer, are willing to adequately pay for the work of an engineer? What no? So what the fuck revival Taldychite! Vocational schools closed, do not need skilled workers? So what the hell are you stuttering revival ?!
            3. IS-80_RVGK2 10 March 2020 18: 36 New
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              Quote: Scipio
              Your problem is that you need everything at once.

              But do you have to wait a hundred years until a bright capitalist future comes? I look at the rhetoric of the propagandists does not change. Only Budenovka on the White Guard cap was changed. Lied 30 years ago, offering to suffer despite the fact that they did not know at all what to do and what road to go to communism and now they lie for pieces from the master's table.
          3. Dart2027 9 March 2020 17: 32 New
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            And what have we revived in microelectronics, machine tools?

            And there were problems with this before.
            https://versia.ru/tajnaya-pokupka-stankov-v-yaponii-pozvolila-sssr-rezko-snizit-shumnost-svoix-atomnyx-podvodnyx-lodok
            Here's an example.
            1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 17: 36 New
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              There were. And they were solved. Now it’s not a matter of saying how efficiently, but for example, we produced machines and computers, and in which case we could easily manage our production, regardless of import.
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                and if something could easily do with their production

                Could. Only the quality was, let's say, average. Well, they are trying to decide now.
                1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 18: 05 New
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                  Now, unfortunately, we have assembly production in the machine tool industry. There are no own developments.
                  About microelectronics - modestly keep silent.
                  Yes, the quality was, I say harder, so-so. But these were our developments. Now the country does not produce capital goods. Unfortunately.
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                    Yes, the quality was, I say harder, so-so. But these were our developments.

                    A double edged sword. On the one hand, we need our own, on the other hand, if we have our own “so-so,” we have to buy for something serious.
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            Assembly production of foreign companies, and not their own. The same Iskander and Daggers are equipped with electronic components of Belarusian manufacture, Chinese, Japanese, until recently the United States, but not the Russian Federation.
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      Quote: Scipio
      How much Ukraine is about .... la wonderful productions .....

      This is Ukraine’s concern, it’s too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have fallen off. "
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      Quote: Scipio
      Zhirinovsky, once correctly said that she was from the great mistakes of the USSR was the construction of large enterprises in such national republics

      and then what was the USSR?
      we are like one big and beautiful RSFSR - and are you all the other devils on the premises?
      Quote: Scipio
      . How much Ukraine prosrali wonderful production .....

      What about Russia?
      1. Olezhek 9 March 2020 17: 53 New
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        we are like one big and beautiful RSFSR - and are you all the other devils on the premises?


        And everyone else (namely Ukraine + Belarus) has a blue dream to become a Polish colony.
        And even if not their children ... but their grandchildren and great-grandchildren will become true Euroopeians, that is, Polish slaves!
        It's worth living for!
        1. atalef 9 March 2020 17: 59 New
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          Quote: Olezhek
          And everyone else (namely Ukraine + Belarus) has a blue dream to become a Polish colony

          If so, then why should you stop them from going to their dream?
          Quote: Olezhek
          And even if not their children ... but their grandchildren and great-grandchildren will become true Euroopeians, that is, Polish slaves!

          baby talk.
          You would like the summit to live at the European level - no way. request
          therefore, except for sprinkling saliva and calling others slaves, you do not succeed.
          The arguments are zero.
          Quote: Olezhek
          It's worth living for!

          To you or to them?
          1. Olezhek 9 March 2020 18: 22 New
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            You would like the summit to live on a European level - no way


            You understand the difference between German and Russian on the one hand and
            Osteuropeans on the other?

            The first understand that money can only be earned independently
            All. Number one he's the last. No other options

            Osteuropeans rush around in different directions with eyes burning with greed, do different nonsense
            they are finishing the economy and can’t understand anything ...
            Where are the pennies? Well hde pennies?
            The funny thing is that these Young Europeans agree on everything ...
            but it doesn’t help. request
            1. atalef 9 March 2020 18: 30 New
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              Quote: Olezhek
              You understand the difference between German and Russian on the one hand and
              osteuropeans with another?

              know how to express in normal language?

              Quote: Olezhek
              The former are well aware that you can only earn money yourself
              All. Number one he's the last. No other options

              Seriously ?
              Ie in Europe, no one except the Germans works?
              Look at the economic performance of Poland over the past 10 years, lick your lips and envy
              Quote: Olezhek
              Osteuropeans rush around in different directions with eyes burning with greed, do different nonsense
              they are finishing the economy and can’t understand anything ...
              Where are the pennies? Well hde pennies?

              Have you seen enough of Kiseleva and Solovyov?
              Quote: Olezhek
              but it doesn’t help.

              abroad except Turkey where there were 7 more
              maybe worked in Europe?
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                osteuropeans on the other

                know how to express in normal language?


                And as if collectively ironic expression
                Germans yes, there is something to respect
                Although not for everything of course.
                Belt of young democracies from Estonia to Bulgaria ... Including the country of Ukraine and super-promising Moldova?

                Understand, by default, no one will respect anyone.
                Not at all.

                Ie in Europe, no one except the Germans works?
                Look at the economic performance of Poland over the past 10 years, lick your lips and envy


                A counter question - there were more than one Pole from the EU for one Belarusian from Russia
                The results are very different.
                They don’t know how to work there at all?
                Yes, I compare. I compare the performance of Poland and Belarus and draw very definite conclusions.
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                  Quote: Olezhek
                  Belt of young democracies from Estonia to Bulgaria ... Including the country of Ukraine and super-promising Moldova?

                  In all these countries - with the exception of Moldova, the minimum wage is higher than in Russia. and prices are lower.
                  Quote: Olezhek
                  A counter question - there were more than one Pole from the EU for one Belarusian from Russia

                  How do you know ? Will you give the numbers?
                  Or, as always, OBS?
                  Quote: Olezhek
                  The results are very different.
                  They don’t know how to work there at all?

                  who?
                  Quote: Olezhek
                  Yes, I compare. I compare the performance of Poland and Belarus and draw very definite conclusions.

                  strange no more than an hour ago
                  Quote: Olezhek
                  Osteuropeans rush around in different directions with eyes burning with greed, do different nonsense
                  they finish the economy and so they can’t understand anything

                  fool
                  1. Olezhek 9 March 2020 20: 30 New
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                    In all these countries - with the exception of Moldova, the minimum wage is higher than in Russia. and prices are lower.

                    Yeah, from all these countries there is a mass labor emigration
                    Keyword Bulk.
                    What for?? If at home so good?

                    Yes, I compare. I compare the performance of Poland and Belarus and draw very definite conclusions.


                    EU assistance to Poland: from 2007 to 2013 - 67 billion euros (https: //ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/sources/docgener/inform ...), from 2013 to 2020 - 86 billion euros (https: // ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/sources/policy/what/inv ...), which gives us an average of 11 billion euros per year. If converted to dollars, that’s 12 billion dollars.

                    In the December interview, Russian Ambassador Mikhail Babich estimated the level of annual support from Belarus by Russia at $ 4-4.5 billion, and in March - already at $ 5-6 billion. Director of the EAST Research Center Andrei Eliseev, in a publication on reform.by, carried out a calculation of the volume of subsidies to Belarus article by article
                    http://www.iarex.ru/news/65912.html
                    .


                    Poland's population is 38 million
                    Belarus - 9 million

                    Something like this ...
                    1. atalef 9 March 2020 20: 38 New
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                      Quote: Olezhek
                      Yeah, from all these countries there is a mass labor emigration
                      Keyword Bulk.
                      What for?? If at home so good?

                      migrants climb to us from Russia in a ramshackle - they are caught and deported. and they vseravno climb - is bad at home?
                      the answer is simpler - a person is looking for where better.
                      you are not surprised by US citizens working in the emirates?
                      Quote: Olezhek
                      EU assistance to Poland: from 2007 to 2013 - 67 billion euros (https: //ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/sources/docgener/inform ...), from 2013 to 2020 - 86 billion euros (https: // ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/sources/policy/what/inv ...), which gives us an average of 11 billion euros per year. If translated into dollars, then $ 12 billion.

                      give a reference normal. what the hell ?
                      Quote: Olezhek
                      In a December interview, Russian Ambassador Mikhail Babich estimated the level of annual support from Belarus in Russia at $ 4-4.5 billion, and in March at $ 5-6 billion. Director of the EAST Research Center Andrei Eliseev, in a publication on reform.by, calculated the volume of Belarus subsidies item by article

                      well, yes. you and Ukraine almost helped 100 billion. laughing
                      so don’t help.
                      / And then you don’t understand - you help - I don’t like it. Do not help - do not like it.
                      what do you need?
                      1. IS-80_RVGK2 10 March 2020 18: 45 New
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                        Quote: atalef
                        migrants climb to us from Russia by ramparts - they are caught and deported

                        Straight shaft? And in numbers, how much? One and a half digger? smile
                        Quote: atalef
                        you are not surprised by US citizens working in the emirates?

                        Also in bulk? And how many hundreds of thousands of millions?
                      2. IS-80_RVGK2 10 March 2020 18: 54 New
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                        Quote: atalef
                        what do you need?

                        Adequate attitude. That's just the whole post-Soviet rusher of the specific princes and boyars can justify the collapse of the USSR in this way - shouting about their exclusivity and oppression by bloody Muscovites. They have no other options. This is the only way to justify the collapse of the country and the decline in the standard of living of most of the population. Well, they won’t say what happened because they simply robbed and continue to rob people.
                    2. Liam 9 March 2020 20: 39 New
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                      Quote: Olezhek
                      EU assistance to Poland

                      Quote: Olezhek
                      gives us an average of 11 billion euros per year. If translated into dollars, then $ 12 billion.

                      Learn a better topic and don’t write a letter to Filkin. Poland, as well as not only receives money from the EU budget, it also pays contributions there every year.
                      Poland's contribution to the EU budget in 2018 amounted to about 4,3 billion euros.
                      1. Olezhek 10 March 2020 07: 38 New
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                        Learn a better topic and don’t write a letter to Filkin. Poland, as well as not only receives money from the EU budget, it also pays contributions there every year.
                        Poland's contribution to the EU budget in 2018 amounted to about 4,3 billion euros.


                        Learn to finally read: my idea was that a resident of Belarus received on average more subsidies from the Russian Federation than a resident of Poland from the EU
                        Learn to read
                      2. vasek5533 10 March 2020 12: 36 New
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                        When it comes to stubborn ones, that subsidies from Poland are various programs for the development of a lot of things from farming to industry, which ultimately translates into an increase in living standards. And so-called. support from Babich is a hypothetical amount from the sale of oil for all years, if it were sold at world prices and, best of all, loans that are repaid with interest.
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                        that donations from Poland are various programs for the development of a lot of things from farming to industry, which ultimately translates into an increase in living standards. And so-called. support from Babich is a hypothetical amount from the sale of oil for all years,


                        Let's see - Poland received money, and Belarus received oil cheaper
                        market, then resold this oil and products from it

                        this is a hypothetical amount


                        What does “hypothetical” mean?
                        It’s real.

                        If Belarusians could not manage this money, then this is only and exclusively a problem for Belarusians themselves.
                    3. Liam 10 March 2020 12: 43 New
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                      Quote: Olezhek
                      my idea was

                      I read (and believe) well. You are trying to promote your thesis
                      manipulating numbers. It's called a filkin letter
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          I am wildly sorry, boy, how old are you and where have you been abroad, in which countries, just not to be confused with the term "on vacation"?
      2. anykin 10 March 2020 11: 01 New
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        Quote: atalef
        You would like the summit to live at the European level - no way.

        Yes, no hand does not rise to rob the lower races (
    4. Svarog 9 March 2020 20: 12 New
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      Quote: Olezhek
      And even if not their children ... but their grandchildren and great-grandchildren will become true Euroopeians, that is, Polish slaves!
      It's worth living for!

      You forget to say with whose supply they will become such .. Russia is doing what would not happen?
      1. Olezhek 9 March 2020 20: 33 New
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        You forget to say with whose supply they will become such .. Russia is doing what would not happen?


        And what do you propose to do with people who dream of grandchildren - in the status of Polish slaves?


        “A slave cannot be freed unless he is freed himself!” And you cannot enslave a free man - the biggest, you can kill him.
        - Heinlein R. Double Star.
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          Quote: Olezhek
          And what do you propose to do with people who dream of grandchildren - in the status of Polish slaves?

          Where did you see such an offer from me?
          If we observe indifferently how our peoples are divided, and according to a long-established scheme, what result do you expect. This is a failure of foreign policy that began 30 years ago, but to this day nothing has been done to rectify the situation ..

          - Heinlein R. Double Star.
          Quote: Olezhek
          “A slave cannot be freed unless he is freed himself!” And you cannot enslave a free man - the biggest, you can kill him.
          - Heinlein R. Double Star.

          Are you talking about domestic Russian politics?
          If you are not talking about Belarus, then they are not slaves .. the example you cited does not correspond to reality, for any citizen of any country who wants to live better can be brought under slaves, and therefore he is looking for a better place ..
          I’ll repeat my question on this, but what are we doing to ensure that Ukraine, Belarus remain in our “orbit” ..?
          Nothing is done by itself, even children .. If you want a result, make an effort, want to follow you, suggest an idea, want to be respected, share and offer an idea that can improve the lives of peoples and show by your example that she works..
          1. Olezhek 10 March 2020 12: 22 New
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            If you are not talking about Belarus, then they are not slaves .. the example you cited does not correspond to reality, for any citizen of any country can be brought under slaves,


            "Lies are the lot of slaves, free people must tell the truth" Michel de Montaigne.
    5. Sklendarka 9 March 2020 21: 44 New
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      Olezhek that Belarusians in the compote wrote to you for a long time.
      But after all, many saw how the son of a lawyer distributed money on Red Square to your slaves. And you know, I won’t be surprised that among those slaves there were Olezhek and you ....
      And an intimate question, and who are you Olezhek ?, and what are you able to do except scribble the paper ?, and they pay a lot for such slander of the farthing?
      Take care of it, write the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation ..., al they have already come up with everything for you ...
      And about oil, soon the line will be built for Luka, so that he just bought it ...
      Understand, Olezhek, on people like you who are ready to cheat on NINE MILLION people for 3 copecks Russia does not hold .... You are a limited person, Olezhek ... sorry for you ....
  8. Kronos 9 March 2020 17: 53 New
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    Well, this is done by the Nauvets apparently thinks that everything needs to be set up in one place as it’s now in Moscow and to pull the juices from other territories
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    Atalef, would be silent already. When did they close? To Semibakshchina? And Israel will betray the killer of Nevzlin? The one who participated in the oil industry Deriban? And who was the Security Council Secretary then? Borusik? And who worked as “raising the economy” as consultants for Chubais? And who participated in the development of the Constitution? Although, what can be expected from Russophobe. So you are tearing your fifth point for Ukraine, now for Belarus you continue to tear it and scream Russia is bad. Let's continue traveling around Lviv, breathe the air of freedom on Bandera and Shukhevych Avenues. In the city where his "heroes" exterminated your co-religionists.
  • Alexander X 9 March 2020 15: 43 New
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    And what is it with the lady’s face in the foreground of the photo? I can’t even find out (sarcasm) .... The photographer tried or has already distorted this way of life?
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    Go .. Go ... Go ...)
  • tihonmarine 9 March 2020 16: 17 New
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    Once again: all the same, I would like to see that very “multi-vector approach” in action, but, apparently, it is no longer fate — both with Ukraine and Belarus. Discussing a frankly artificial propaganda construct is ridiculous and absurd.
    All this happened not yesterday and not 10 years ago, it happened on December 26, 1991. Even then, the newly formed elite of Ukraine and Belarus took an orientation toward the West, and all the games of fraternal peoples were simply at the expense of Russia to support their economy, and they had been able to do this for 29 years, and was it really incomprehensible. It is time to understand one thing, there will not be anything fraternal, the "brothers" are already deeply bogged down in the West and will not be released back.
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      Sadly, I have to agree that there is no significant difference between Ukraine and Belarus and both of them are enemies ...
      1. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 23: 15 New
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        Quote: Victor N
        Sadly, I have to agree that there is no significant difference between Ukraine and Belarus and both of them are enemies ...

        You are being neglected, but I support you. After the collapse, they all sided with the West. It was not the people who defeated fascism, but those who seized power, and who instilled "Western values" into the people. And they these authorities have long sold their people, coming from Russia, to a piece of Western values ​​(dollars and euros). Or am I wrong?
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      Especially when in the beginning of the 91s the entire Russian elite kissed and laughed at the West (and continues to this day) and helped them to pursue the sanctions policy of the West and the USA against Belarus under their tune and pointer for 25 years.
  • AAK
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    I will not go into global issues, a small example from personal production experience.
    2014, September, for several structural divisions of our enterprise in the Crimea it was necessary to purchase medium-power transformers. We are looking for the best deals. The largest segment of the CIS market, the largest range of products and reasonable prices - Minsk Transformer Plant. We call to Minsk - you need 3 transformers, type, model, when can you deliver? - where are you going? - to the Crimea, aaaaaa ... and we are forbidden to work with Crimea on direct deliveries, you will contact our daughters in "mainland" Russia (there are only 30 percent more expensive) ... such integration. .
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      Minsk Transformer Plant. We call to Minsk - you need 3 transformers, type, model, when can you deliver? - where are you going? - to Crimea, aaaaaa ... and we are forbidden to work with Crimea on direct deliveries


      In fact, it’s time to send “fraternal Belarusians” to ... the international market.
      With all their cheeses, sausages and MAZs
      There is an unlimited amount of money! fellow
      1. atalef 9 March 2020 18: 32 New
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        Quote: Olezhek
        In fact, it’s time to send “fraternal Belarusians” to ... the international market.
        With all their cheeses, sausages and MAZs
        There is an unlimited amount of money!

        Absolutely correct.
        and what will happen to them is absolutely none of your business.
        This is their life and their decision, as Russia is your life and your decisions.
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          ask for gas and oil in the west, maybe at the price you want))) independent)))
        2. Uncle Izya 9 March 2020 19: 41 New
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          What's interesting is that tanker Russian oil is more profitable through pipes that you don’t have to pay premiums to the supplier. Well, if onion wants oil to buy an alternative, you had to move earlier
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          Absolutely correct.
          and what will happen to them is absolutely none of your business.
          This is their life and their decision.


          See what the trouble is:
          Their export earnings are generated either in Russia or through resale (processing)
          Russian oil (until 2020)
          "Their life" means the fall of this revenue at times.
          What to live for?
          Hundreds of thousands of Belarusians are working in Russia (such as the Union State)
          "Their life" means what?
          Russia is not obliged to provide these places to foreigners correctly.

          "Their life" is an instant (by historical standards) collapse of the Belarusian system.

          And yes, "their life" is zero smuggling to Russia, and on this occasion (overlapping smuggling routes)
          Lukashenko himself spoke very, very emotionally.

          “Their life” de facto means instant nullification of the Belarusian economy and foreign trade.
    2. Caretaker 9 March 2020 21: 20 New
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      Where are you going? - to Crimea, aaaaaa ... and we are forbidden to work with Crimea on direct deliveries, you will contact our daughters in "mainland" Russia (there are only 30 percent more expensive there) ...

      You will be surprised, but Sberbank, VTB, Russian Railways, Rosneft will refuse to work with you directly in Crimea.
    3. Ingvar 72 10 March 2020 09: 01 New
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      Quote: AAK
      and we are forbidden to work with Crimea on direct deliveries, you will contact our daughters in "mainland" Russia

      With Sberbank a similar situation. With Megaphone the same. All through the daughters. wink
    4. D. Gorodensky 11 March 2020 22: 56 New
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      So why then from the Russian Federation do not trade directly to the Crimea, but through offshore "daughters"? Kavminsteklo JSC was a supplier of glass bottles to the Crimea for wineries. Top manager Aleksandrs Pavlovs said that "following the economic sanctions imposed by the USA against Crimea, he will stop any cooperation with bottle consumers located in Crimea." According to RBC Sevastopol winemaker Pavel Shvets, founder of the Uppa Winery winery, he also orders bottles from the Kavminsteklo company. But the delivery had to be done through a Moscow company, since the manufacturer refused to work directly with Crimean enterprises. “This is an amazing story, because the company is registered in Russia, it pays taxes to the budget, but refuses to deliver to the Crimea,” says Shvets. So maybe you yourself, for starters, recognize Crimea as Russian, and then your show-offs ... Does Russian Railways work in Crimea?
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    Huge +, not even a plus but a plus! I understand that this forum is not a social network, but it’s burnt. Last year we went to see my relatives in Smolevichi. Relatives-granddaughter, sister and aunt. Granddaughter went to university in Vienna. Naturally needed money. Asked for help. They borrowed 3 thousand euros. They tearfully promised to return it, even with interest. But what could be the interest from relatives. Even the fools didn’t take any receipts. Now they are sending to ... Well, in general, you understand. From now on, I don’t foot to the Bulbas. so ,, intimate ,, details.
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      so we, too, are full of such people, it’s not about nationality
  • Alex Nevs 9 March 2020 17: 52 New
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    TWO options for events. Unification (alaSSSR) or very small fragmentation through military and casualties (alaYugoslav). Skakuasiya-Valtsmaniya-404 in the attempts (according to Yugoslav).
  • malyvalv 9 March 2020 17: 55 New
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    Oh sensible article. Thank you so much.
    I can only add that now, worldwide, globalization is declining. About unification and alliance, even speech to lead the point is lost. So in the foreseeable future, hope is only for oneself. How do we work then and dig. Still, our comprador elite should be let loose from the country's leadership and everything would be normal.
    1. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 18: 21 New
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      Quote: malyvalv
      I can only add that now, worldwide, globalization is declining.

      Simply put, capitalization, not globalization.
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      more precisely a provocative article
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    Comrade Egorov undertakes to write about things in which he is neither ear nor snout.
    1. If comrade Yegorov was at least a little versed in the subject of the opus, he would know that there is no opinion and desire of some Belarusians, but only the desire and opinion of one barbel, who has not swept his neck for 26 years.
    2. Brest and Grodno regions. can be attributed to gravitating to Poland. Mogilev and Vitebsk to the Russian Federation. Minsk and Gomeda-like who. Therefore, there is no consensus among the people.
    3. The fact that our barbel is 26 years old sitting on 2 chairs does not stop him from constantly snatching buns from the Russian Federation. This is obvious to everyone. Why all the GDP and Kodla swell into the black hole of Belarus all this time of subsidies, it is not clear to me. Obviously, there is nowhere to put money in the Russian Federation (as thousands of other examples confirm).
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      Do not invent who gravitates to whom in the Brest region, there are not many Poles in the city, yes
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        T.E. from Brest (as well as from Grodno) from the 90s did not reach Poland from small to large with cigarettes-alcohol-solarium on fv b4?)
        Both Grodno and Brest would gladly become part of Poland, if their will.
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          I have relatives in Brest and do not have to be rude
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            I am not rude. That everywhere there are people who earn not as the majority, no doubt. Which does not cancel what has been said. Do you want to convince yourself that you will conduct a survey in Brest to join Poland, the majority will not say yes? Scold your soul. Poles live much better than Belarus, this is a fact.
            1. Uncle Izya 9 March 2020 20: 17 New
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              For example, Belarusian nationalists like Pozdnyak want to Poland, well, well
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                Xs what they want. Not as many as they would like.
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              Spent around the city or only among their bchbeshnikov?
    2. Olezhek 9 March 2020 19: 35 New
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      but there is only the desire and opinion of one barbel, who for 26 years has not been sweetened from the neck.


      Like that, but not really.
      Remember - some people cannot rule a multi-million dollar country without any support at all.
      In 2010-11, Lukashenko would inevitably lose power (a terrible crisis in Belarus + a sharp conflict with Russia and the West)
      But domestic support saved
      Something like that.
      Every nation has the government it deserves
      Lukashenko did not fall from the moon.
      1. Minipig79 9 March 2020 20: 08 New
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        What everyone has is unconditionally. That a certain percentage (militia, pretentious and mistaken) support sincerely, no doubt. What adm. resource and falsification - no doubt. But, do not give the Russian Federation constantly new loans (to pay off old ones) - a naked king would fly off long ago. You do a disservice to the public in the end.
        We had no economic miracles. And the sooner the illusions were destroyed, the faster they would begin to work productively. But for decades, the Russian Federation gave beer “sober” that the head of a big badoon would not fall apart.
    3. ZAV69 9 March 2020 19: 36 New
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      2. Brest and Grodno regions. can be attributed to gravitating to Poland. Mogilev and Vitebsk to the Russian Federation. Minsk and Gomeda-like who. Therefore, there is no consensus among the people.

      The Ukrainians had the same thing .... So do not promise. My relatives in Ukraine for a month reforged in Svidomo, although they were born and raised in the RSFSR
      1. Minipig79 9 March 2020 20: 17 New
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        And here to promise, a simple calculation. A lot of business is tied to the Russian Federation, people will definitely not trample against the Russian Federation. I and like-minded people are never ideologically opposed to the Russian Federation. But after the current turn to Elbasy, all sorts of Zakharchenko, etc., I don’t even want to become part of the Russian Federation by the region.
        1. ZAV69 9 March 2020 20: 39 New
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          And here to promise, a simple calculation.

          And there was also a calculation. Do you know how many Ukrainian goods we had? I have a house on Dnepropetrovsk screw piles. There were a lot of milk in the shops. Relatives were going to visit. Maidan happened. A month later they are no longer relatives ....
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            Well, there are all kinds of people. Someone smeared with kakakhami, someone drinks a wiper. But this is not an indicator.
  • Dembel77 9 March 2020 18: 28 New
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    So in the foreseeable future, hope is only for oneself.

    Mostly yes. To myself. Well, and also the fact that we will not step on the same rake again (well, like, friendship of peoples). As we jokingly said before, friendship is friendship, but the tobacco is apart. And now this joke is not at all funny .. unfortunately.
  • Uncle Izya 9 March 2020 19: 14 New
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    Belarus pays more for gas than Germany
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      I see the winged agitation of a barbel grabbed and quoted. Well, write the purchase prices for gas in Germany and Belarus for 2010, 2015, 2020.
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        In 2016, gas for Belarus was 129 US dollars, and for Germany - 146 US dollars, so calculate if it is strong in arithmetic. As you calculate, then we’ll talk about other years.
  • ZAV69 9 March 2020 19: 33 New
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    Who is the main customer of MAZ, BelAZ and special tractors for military equipment

    And for how long? KAMAZ is already working in full swing with Mercedes, Volvo is being assembled in Kaluga, an analogue of the MZKT has been assembled at BAZ, Kamaz is also making a whole line. Instead of Belaz there is Tonar and imports. So Belarusian products are already considered and not needed.
    1. Uncle Izya 9 March 2020 20: 06 New
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      Well, for example, to Russia, for example, 26% of their vehicles send to Russia only the rest to Turkey, OJSC to Saudi Arabia
      1. Olezhek 9 March 2020 20: 11 New
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        Well, for example, to Russia, for example, 26% of their vehicles send to Russia only the rest to Turkey, OJSC to Saudi Arabia


        Where is the droushka?
        Will you bring statistics?
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          I watched the broadcast about the MZKT; there the workshops showed equipment
  • businessv 9 March 2020 20: 07 New
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    nevertheless, I would like to see that very “multi-vector approach” in action, but, apparently, it is no longer fate — both with Ukraine and Belarus. Discussing a frankly artificial propaganda construct is ridiculous and ridiculous.
    Oleg, thanks for the topic, very interesting! I would like to develop it - how can we live without brothers, what will our oligarchs who have invested in the economy of the Republic of Belarus and independent do, how we will solve issues of common daily life - will we introduce passports for neighbors, or just forbid them to work at our enterprises and how these enterprises will cope without the labor of Ukrainians and Belarusians. All the former union republics made their choice for a long time and firmly - there is no union, and the leaders of the republics, in order to look cute in the face of their citizens, blame all the failures on Russia, which throughout the entire existence of the Union did not allow them, poor but progressive, to develop! I would also be pleased if we dwell in more detail on the "urgent" amendments to the Constitution regarding the adoption of citizenship by former Soviet people who want to become citizens of Russia. We simply welcome them, strongly welcome them, or, nevertheless, destroy the bureaucrats who solve these issues at their discretion and simplify the adoption of citizenship simply because Russia is the continuation of the Union !? This means that every person born in the USSR should have the right to be a Russian. No questions and papers, except for a birth certificate. In general, thanks for the article! good
    1. Olezhek 9 March 2020 20: 15 New
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      I would like to develop it - how can we live without brothers, what will our oligarchs who have invested in the economy of Belarus do


      But there wasn’t much chance to invest there.
      The Russians request

      This means that every person born in the USSR should have the right to be a Russian.


      No, dear, they fled to national apartments, then fled
      Each has its own apartment.
      And enough here communal cities.

      You need to accept only yours.
      1. Avior 9 March 2020 22: 39 New
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        I would like to understand, are you Russian or not?
        1. Olezhek 10 March 2020 07: 42 New
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          I would like to understand, are you Russian or not?


          Euro-oriented citizens - definitely not
      2. businessv 10 March 2020 00: 26 New
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        Quote: Olezhek
        You need to accept only yours.

        I would like to hear my own - which ones? Or do you think that everything in Russia is normal with demographics? And the inhabitants of LDNR are strangers, judging by the actions of bureaucrats who send people to the square, directly at the bunk, not looking at either the residence permit or their families ?! And one more remark - from national apartments, if you sell them, it’s not really possible to buy anything in Mother Russia, so don’t be so categorical, dear author! Well, and about investing in the economy of our neighbors, it’s you who is completely a finger in the sky! The largest mobile communications operator in the independent one is the Russians, Alfa Bank, factories, 10 billion investments annually until 2013, and much more, which is why a lot in relationships is getting on the brakes! hi
  • g_ae 9 March 2020 20: 11 New
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    Here, I read the article, read the comments. It seems that the name of the author and commentators is not Miller, not Sechin. Well, then so pins them. Obviously, the Russian disaster, not related to the roads, is getting worse. I recall the immortal words of Foreign Minister Lavrov.
    1. g_ae 9 March 2020 23: 22 New
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      By the way, I immediately remember a joke. If the third husband hits in the face in a row, maybe you should think that it’s not about husbands?
      1. Tzar 10 March 2020 05: 44 New
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        The analogy is not quite true, it’s rather like this: the third wife leaves her husband, because ... she has a low level of social responsibility, to put it mildly.
        1. g_ae 10 March 2020 06: 54 New
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          Yes Yes. All the women are fools. Around the enemies and traitors. Even if so, but if the third wife leaves you, maybe at least it’s worth starting to think. Dance on a rake somehow turns out. Or maybe it's worth starting to stop drinking?
          By the way, did Belarusians bring down the oil price for you too?
          Well, I’m talking to Sergey Viktorovich.
      2. Olezhek 10 March 2020 10: 31 New
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        If the third husband hits in the face in a row, maybe you should think that it’s not about husbands?


        Are you talking about the fact that Lukashenko took up the cement industry - she died
        for woodworking - died
        for livestock ...

        Yes, it's a problem
  • Brigadier 9 March 2020 21: 02 New
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    Vali Lukash to the West! Vali!
    You’ve already been waiting for you in the Hague court!
    And after him you will envy the dead !!!
  • Vladimir Mashkov 9 March 2020 21: 49 New
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    The article is long and extremely ornate. Everything could be said shorter and easier. In almost everything, the author is right, but in some ways he is very mistaken.
    Yes, Belarus clearly acts on Ukrainian patterns and clearly repeats the path of Ukraine. In this, the author is completely right.
    What is he wrong about? In the beginning, he casually mentions that power (elite) and people are NOT the same thing. However, later on (by accident or intentionally), speaking of both Ukraine and Belarus, he puts an equal sign between them. And this is not so! In both countries they have - authorities and people - DIFFERENT concepts and interests! Some say: but after all, the people choose power, it means that the people are responsible for the actions of the authorities, they want exactly such power! I don’t know about Belarus, but in Ukraine MOST people have been striving for friendship and cooperation with Russia for 30 years and choose politicians (until 2014) who promise this. But EVERY time, having come to power, another politician cruelly deceived people and began to pursue a more or less Russophobic and thieves anti-state comprador policy. Is the people to blame or not? Definitely to blame. But, for some reason, in Ukraine there are no patriots in the power elite. I think this is because Ukraine has long been controlled by the Americans, who close to power do not allow true patriots. And Russia, busy with its problems, unfortunately missed Ukraine, appointing mediocre people as ambassadors.
    1. Ingvar 72 10 March 2020 09: 08 New
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      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      In both countries they have - authorities and people - DIFFERENT concepts and interests!

      But in Russia, the interests of the authorities and the people are much further than in Belarus. request
  • camo ridges 9 March 2020 22: 55 New
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    One thing is not clear - why do we always need so much time to suddenly
    to see - after all, it was clear for a long time that the Old Man was driving by the nose, that with anyone and
    he will never unite - all his actions simply shouted about
    this one. But how many years did this last with complete impunity. And we are all
    mumble, we all hope for something. Tough measures had to be resorted to
    much earlier - then the result was still possible. And now except
    resentment from the side of the Belarusian elite who is not thinking without parasitism
    we won’t achieve anything ...
  • 30143 10 March 2020 00: 19 New
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    "Well, think for yourself: by and large - there is this base, there is none, in the life of the Republic of Belarus nothing is changing, as in the life of the Russian Federation. So, a minor concession."
    The author wrote, but he did not think of it. Lukashenko has an example of Ukraine, where there was a base of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation. Where did the Crimea end up? Therefore, Lukashenko will never let the Russian Federation. Then, as a fox can not be expelled. Himself will have to leave the country. And even more, the Muscovites will come and teach him the mind ...
    1. Olezhek 10 March 2020 07: 53 New
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      Well, think for yourself: by and large - there is this base, it is not there, nothing changes in the life of the Republic of Belarus, as in the life of the Russian Federation. So, a minor concession. "
      The author wrote, but he did not think of it. Lukashenko has an example of Ukraine, where there was a base of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation. Where did the Crimea end up? Therefore, Lukashenko will never let the Russian Federation.


      Now explain why Poland places US military bases?
      We are either allies or not.

      Or do you want to say that Ukraine in March 2014 pursued a policy friendly to Russia?
      If Lukashenko wants to pursue a similar junta policy, and he actually wants to, then yes the base will interfere.
      But then what kind of “friendship” can we talk about?
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        For two military bases in 25 years, how much did the Russian Federation pay?
  • Pavel57 10 March 2020 01: 32 New
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    The understanding of the risk of friendship with Belarus in the Russian Federation was not realized yesterday. An example of the development of multi-axis platforms for military systems.
  • hermit 10 March 2020 01: 44 New
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    There was no privatization in Belarus. Integration with Russia is fraught with the fact that sooner or later factories, plants, land will be in the hands of Russian oligarchs. Movement to the west of Belarus threatens to repeat the Ukrainian or Baltic scenario. Those. complete de-industrialization. So Lukashenko simply has no choice but to try to maneuver between Russia and Europe. As they say, if you want to live, be able to spin. So he spins. And reasoning in the style of “brothers are not brothers” is about nothing.
    1. Olezhek 10 March 2020 07: 49 New
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      There was no privatization in Belarus. Integration with Russia is fraught with the fact that sooner or later factories, plants, land will be in the hands of Russian oligarchs


      And now there is everything around the people ...

      There was an interesting industry
      years 20 ago
      Not anymore.
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        Quote: Olezhek
        There was an interesting industry
        years 20 ago
        Not anymore.

        Olezhek, is it weak for you to write about what industry was in Russia, and what happened to it today? Moreover, give data on the "development" of the industry of the Russian Federation as a percentage of Belarus and Ukraine? With Kazakhstan? Or do you as a religious preacher rely only on the illiterate? wink
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          Olezhek, is it weak for you to write about what industry was in Russia, and what happened to it today?


          A weak not to change shoes in the air every time?
          And do not translate the arrows?

          All large enterprises of Belarus are either dead or unprofitable
          There is nothing to buy and nothing to seize

          Lukashenko killed everything and created nothing
          (except for the resident presidency of the oh presidential residence)

          Once again: in Belarus today there are no more enterprises of interest to Russia.
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            Quote: Olezhek
            Lukashenko killed everything and created nothing

            Everything is known in comparison, which I wrote to you about above. You are talking about some kind of shoe change in the jump. fool Let's compare the number of enterprises killed. With figures, it’s weak to convince me of wrongness, but can we only emotions? wink
            1. Olezhek 11 March 2020 20: 01 New
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              1 Sparkling Belarusian humor in Russia is not in demand (it’s like urban culture, not collective farm)
              2 What are the profitable large enterprises in Belarus
              3 What are the large enterprises created by Lukashenko.
              4 Just name the plants that are worth buying / capturing in Belarus
              announce the whole list
              5 To compare the enterprises of an independent power and a country that is not able to feed itself is ridiculous enough.
              1. Ingvar 72 12 March 2020 16: 30 New
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                Quote: Olezhek
                Sparkling Belarusian humor in Russia is not in demand

                Strange you Olezhek. I have already told you more than once that I was born and live in Russia. But you write me down with manic persistence in the citizens of Belarus.
                Quote: Olezhek
                Name

                You yourself wrote that there was a delicious industry 20 years ago, but in response to a request to give an example of a figure, sprinkle a list of “name” to me. Are you normal at all? I asked you to do this, and in comparison with similar figures for Russia. fool
                1. Olezhek 12 March 2020 19: 28 New
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                  Strange you Olezhek. I have already told you more than once that I was born and live in Russia. But you write me down with manic persistence in the citizens of Belarus.


                  You know - today in Russia is full of Russians despising their country and admiring Lukashenko. I believe..
                  You probably also think that the Russians have “no brains, no money”?

                  You yourself wrote that there was a delicious industry 20 years ago, but in response to a request to give figures as an example


                  You have in Belarus a bunch of idlers, ideologists with tasty salaries, and order them a statistical study, if you're interested.

                  What are the numbers? Today in Belarus there are practically no factories interesting to Russia.
                  The numbers you want to hear?
                  Agricultural towns are also absolutely uninteresting.
                  The numbers of what?
                  1. Ingvar 72 12 March 2020 19: 39 New
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                    Quote: Olezhek
                    The numbers you want to hear?

                    Figures of closed / open enterprises indicating the number of jobs in Russia and Belarus. I already wrote about this to you.
                    1. Olezhek 12 March 2020 19: 55 New
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                      Figures of closed / open enterprises indicating the number of jobs in Russia and Belarus. I already wrote about this to you.


                      My friend, you have a scoop!
                      In Russia, the task of the enterprise is to make money.
                      No one will drag an unprofitable enterprise indefinitely (except deeply defense)
                      In Belarus, the main task of "enterprises" is to provide jobs for statistics.

                      Tell us how to build / modernize a plant in Russia?
                      Private traders take a loan or invest their money.
                      The state owes nothing to anyone (except possibly for tax benefits)

                      in Belarus ... the state takes a loan! And with credit money he builds / modernizes the plant
                      The plant is usually the result in a deep minus ... and the state continues to pull it
                      Almost the entire state industry of the Republic of Belarus is deeply unprofitable and is used to working in a warehouse.

                      Conclusion: the Russian plant feeds the state, in Belarus everything is exactly the opposite!
                      So what to be proud of?

                      Who needs jobs that do not produce the goods the market needs?
                      Who work at a loss?
                      Belarusian industry is a district job with scanty salaries (so as not to die of hunger) What is there to be proud of?
                      Belarusian industry lives off loans and works in the red.
                      Who needs it?

                      And to the heap - over the past few years, the entire regional industry has either died (gone bankrupt) or in deep suspended animation
                      People fell in Minsk from all over Belarus ...

                      About the numbers of open / closed plants
                      Any middle-aged entrepreneur can open several "factories" in a year. And close them. And open again. And with state support, "open" dozens of them. These numbers are fools to deceive.
    2. Alexey RA 10 March 2020 19: 39 New
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      Movement to the west of Belarus threatens to repeat the Ukrainian or Baltic scenario. Those. complete de-industrialization.

      Yeah .. that's why Belarus went its own way - to invite oligarchs from abroad, and then take away their property.
      Remember Boguslaev and Orsha ARZ? There was Boguslaev in the shareholders - the plant was profitable. They even wanted to organize the repair and assembly of the "Motor Sichevsky" engines. Then came Lukashenko and stabbed a chicken. egg-laying made an offer to Boguslaev that could not be refused (up to the arrest of Boguslaev’s plane, where he flew to Orsha). “Oligarch” gave up shares and was still glad that he was released. And the next year, Orsha ARZ (according to factory statistics) ended with a negative profit on production.
      1. Caretaker 10 March 2020 22: 03 New
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        Yeah .. that's why Belarus went its own way - to invite oligarchs from abroad, and then take away their property.

        Watching which oligarchs. For example, Gutseriev owns blocks of shares in the Mozyr Oil Refinery and a fertilizer company in Belarus.
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        Before writing nonsense, you need to know the question, and not the headlines from such "authors" of the hawthorn who had drunk hawthorn on March 8, and on the morning of 9, for the apocalypse who scratched this heresy.
  • Tzar 10 March 2020 05: 48 New
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    Good article: not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. It remains to be hoped that the Russian authorities also understand this and will act accordingly ...
  • pro100y.belarus 10 March 2020 06: 23 New
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    "What ungrateful you, old man. We feed you." - says the attending physician to a hopelessly sick patient and injects another dose of morphine.
    And, leaving the chamber, he adds: “Yes, by the way, if you don’t rewrite your apartment for us tomorrow, we will stop feeding you. You can die painfully.”
    And the notary is already waiting in the hallway ...
    1. g_ae 10 March 2020 07: 28 New
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      Yeah. Both the face and the doctor are so affectionate, affectionate, bowish, gangster. And the diploma in the transition is bought. Effective technokrad.
    2. Alexey RA 10 March 2020 19: 42 New
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      "What ungrateful you, old man. We feed you." - says the attending physician to a hopelessly sick patient and injects another dose of morphine.

      You have repeatedly been asked to get off the needle. Each time there was a hysteria in response with threats to leave for the West and demands Russia must!

      And yes, 6 billion a year is not morphine. This is an intravenous artificial nutrition.
      1. D. Gorodensky 11 March 2020 22: 03 New
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        layout for "6 billion a year" do not give?
        1. Olezhek 12 March 2020 15: 50 New
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          layout for "6 billion a year" do not give?


          Which Kastus - there is a tsifir comrade. Babich persistently voiced - if curious - it was necessary to listen.
          And for the deaf, they don’t serve mass twice
  • Viktor Sergeev 10 March 2020 08: 04 New
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    For me, I would give a pendell and let it fall to the west, and we will see how soon it lasts. We do not need Belarus, from the word in general.
    1. g_ae 10 March 2020 08: 46 New
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      Just do not start to beat the dishes.
      1. g_ae 10 March 2020 10: 31 New
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        By the way! From Belarus dust particles need to be blown away and cherished. As a result of the perdumono-glue that has been upset in Russian foreign and domestic policy in recent years, Belarus has remained the only country in front of which the painfully pruritic ChSV can be pulled with impunity.
        1. Alexey RA 10 March 2020 19: 27 New
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          For 6 billion dollars a year? Too expensive scratching is obtained.
          1. g_ae 10 March 2020 19: 35 New
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            Well, Duc. It's not the same for everybody. Do not scratch.
            1. Alexey RA 10 March 2020 19: 46 New
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              Quote: g_ae
              Well, Duc. It's not the same for everybody. Do not scratch.

              They tried. Hinted. They directly said that one must live within one's means.
              In response, they received a standard set that Russia helps the fraternal people, but has no right to demand something in response from a sovereign state.
              And that the legitimate demands of Russia to stop sucking from its state budget are chirping painfully pruritus. One hysteria about what the tax maneuver was worth ...
  • Selevc 10 March 2020 13: 19 New
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    So I look at the photo in the title of the article and think - How good it was in Soviet times when religion was REALLY separated from social life and especially from politics !!!
  • NF68 10 March 2020 17: 11 New
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    You are needed in the West. Keep your pockets wider.
  • EvilLion 11 March 2020 09: 02 New
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    It’s just that in Russia in 20 years they managed to build both their ports, and their factories, and there was nothing to twist their hands. Soon, gas transit will be covered.
  • 1536 11 March 2020 11: 09 New
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    Most importantly, in the former Soviet republics, youth is brought up in a spirit of hatred for the former USSR and specifically for Russia, they come up with a story that has nothing to do with the present, systematically destroy the Russian language in education, traditions, Russian culture, etc. And we have the whole world, friendship, chewing gum, all people are brothers, bhai-bhai ... To live with wolves, howl like a wolf. Otherwise, you can lose everything overnight and find yourself in the best case in some ghetto, and at worst in a concentration camp.
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      Yes, for God's sake, we are not going to construction sites for them, but they are coming to us.
    2. Olezhek 11 March 2020 19: 55 New
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      systematically destroy the Russian language in education, traditions, Russian culture, etc. And we have the whole world, friendship, chewing gum, all people are brothers, bhai-bhai ...


      Dangerous, by the way, illusions.

      .
  • sagitch 11 March 2020 12: 25 New
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    Blackmail, pure water ...
  • D. Gorodensky 11 March 2020 22: 00 New
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    Given actor how many hawthorn did he eat?
  • D. Gorodensky 11 March 2020 23: 08 New
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    [quote = Olezhek] [quote] that donations from Poland are various programs for the development of a lot of things from farming to industry, which ultimately translates into an increase in living standards. And so-called. support from Babich is a hypothetical amount from the sale of oil for all years, [/ quote]

    Let's see - Poland received money, and Belarus received oil cheaper
    market, then resold this oil and products from it

    Cheaper to the market? To which and by how much? Well, I would very much like to see the alignment. With numbers, please. And it’s not my grandmother’s to buy oil products.