Why do we need Special Operations Forces?

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Last week, the Russian people were reminded of the existence of the Special Operations Forces of the Armed Forces of Russia, whose professional holiday has recently been celebrated on February 27.





The reminder was so loud and convincing that it was heard even in Venezuela, where the next day, President Maduro announced the creation of an analogue of the MTR - the Special National Anti-Terrorist Corps.

Without going into retelling stories the creation of the Special Operations Forces, which are detailed told on the pages of "Military Review"), dwell on the goals and objectives of the MTR, as well as the practice of using this unit.

Over the past couple of decades, Russians have finally become entangled in countless births and disappearing special forces. The average person is not always able to determine to which department (the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the Ministry of Defense) countless "Alpha", "Delta", "Vityazi", "Pennants", "Warriors", "Volcanoes", etc., belong, each of which branded and promoted the installation of its own elitism in the best traditions of modern marketing.

In this context, the Special Operations Forces differed from other special forces not only in that they were formed and deployed without too much fuss and in the prevailing secrecy regime, but also in the uniqueness of their mission and scope. First of all, it is counter-terrorism operations and the release of hostages in the territory of foreign states. All other MTR tasks are not unique and to one degree or another duplicate the tasks performed by other units of the RF Armed Forces.

From publicly available information on the practice of using MTRs, we can find out that this unit was used during well-known events in the Crimea, as well as in the North Caucasus and the Gulf of Aden (the fight against Somali pirates) and in Syria. There are no data on the hostages released, and work in Syria is more likely not an anti-terrorist operation (which almost any war is now called), but participation in full-fledged hostilities. At the same time, no one raises the question of the appropriateness of using a unique special unit, the preparation of which requires a lot of money, and designed to carry out targeted, jewelry, one might even say, intellectual operations, as a filling in the gaps as part of a full-time Russian military contingent. Unfortunately, the high qualifications of the SSO fighters do not always save their lives in the performance of functions unusual for them - they are just as dead from tank, artillery and mortar fire as fighters of sabotage and reconnaissance groups.


Briefly formulate military tactics in the conduct of large-scale hostilities, it consists in defeating (destroying) the enemy. The tactics of the operations of the MTR to free the hostages is the opposite - the release and preservation of life with extremely selective use of fire. Moreover, ideally (which is rarely achievable) we are talking about saving the lives of not only hostages, but also terrorists - for further transfer to the investigating authorities, identifying accomplices, and conducting trials.

Probably, the reason for the misuse of the Special Operations Forces lies in the full jurisdiction of the issues of their use to the Ministry of Defense, which uses the MTR in the framework of its tasks, while the capabilities and mission of this multifunctional unit are much wider, located, in fact, at the junction of the competencies of the Armed Forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Foreign Ministry.

Foreign experience


In the UK, Special Air Service (SAS) and Special Boat Service (SBS), subordinate to the British Armed Forces and the Royal Navy of Great Britain, respectively, deal with sensitive foreign operations. Is the special unit Special Projects Team (SP Team) directly involved in counter-terrorism operations and the release of hostages? numbering about 80 fighters. SP Team is not used in any combined arms operations and military operations and is in constant combat readiness at its bases in the UK. Actually, sending the SP Team to the war will not work, because it is not a team with a fixed staff, but consisting of constantly changing "around" fighters from other SAS units, which allows you to receive anti-terrorism training and refresh the skills of actions to free hostages throughout the service SAS composition. SP Team training facilities are equipped with special buildings and structures that simulate objects where hostages can be held. The decision to transfer control of the operation and the use of SAS in hostage release operations is made by the cabinet in the crisis meeting room COBR. The effectiveness of using SP Team is extremely high; losses among SAS hostages and fighters during the release of hostages from prisons and captured embassies are minimal, but there have been cases of the erroneous destruction of innocent unarmed people.



In Germany, Grenzschutzgruppe 9 (GSG 9) is directly and solely subordinate to the German Minister of the Interior in order to avoid unnecessarily involving units in minor operations, which units of a lower combat effectiveness and other target areas are capable of responding to. GSG 9 is the oldest anti-terrorist group in the world, having the highest efficiency and extremely low level of losses both among the fighters of the unit and among the hostages released by them.



Due to legislative restrictions on the use of GSG 9 abroad (this is possible only with the consent of the foreign state), a Kommando Spezialkräfte (KSK) division was also created in Germany, which has fewer such restrictions and is subordinate to the Ministry of Defense. An analysis of the activities of KSK shows that they were much more involved in the fact that someone was captured and killed than they were released and saved, taking part in full-scale hostilities in Iraq, Afghanistan, the former Yugoslavia. KSK continues to be heavily criticized by the press, public organizations, the legislature, and even representatives of the Bundeswehr due to misuse of the unit and closeness to parliamentary control. Massive criticism led the Bundeswehr to change its information policy in November and launch a campaign to improve its image, by running a series of articles and video clips where KSK was positioned solely as a special unit dedicated to the release of hostages and the rescue of German citizens. At present, the Bundestag parliamentary control over the use of KSK has been significantly strengthened. KSK losses during operations are still classified, and informational closure does not allow an objective assessment of their effectiveness.



The French GIGN (Groupe d'Intervention de la Gendarmerie Nationale) is simultaneously subordinate to both the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of the Interior, being considered a special forces detachment of both the army and the police. He does not participate in any military operations, being engaged only in the release of hostages and personalized operations to capture and destroy terrorists. The unit is rightfully considered one of the best in the world in its field and has achieved impressive results: more than 1600 operations have been carried out, about 625 hostages have been released, more than 1500 criminals have been captured or eliminated, losses among GIGN fighters did not exceed 11 people. It is noteworthy that in 2015 GIGN challenged the priority of its use in foreign terrorist attacks against the French with another special service - SOC (Special Operations Command), which is part of the French Armed Forces. As a result of consultations, work on the release of hostages abroad recognized the responsibility of GIGN, which has a narrower specialization and more experience in this field. The army team was left with work in the zone of armed conflict and actions for the mass evacuation of French citizens from dangerous zones.



In the USA, everyone who is not lazy is engaged in the release of hostages abroad: the Pentagon, the CIA, and units of the Special Operations Command. Recent operations were carried out by Delta and Seals. However, the units of the US Armed Forces and the US Navy were well trained in warfare, invading other countries and eliminating opponents, but often suffered loud failures when it came to rescuing hostages (operation in Yemen in 2014, Eagle Claw in Iran and others). In 2015, President Obama creates a special group for the return of hostages, which includes representatives of the Pentagon, the State Department, the FBI, the CIA, the Justice Ministry, the Ministry of Finance and several other government bodies. In essence, this means the creation of a new collegial body designed to coordinate the work of all departments in order to achieve a common goal. The decision is sound and, perhaps, worthy of the Russian Federation to take a closer look at it. But so far no reform actions have been taken to reorganize the hostage rescue units.



Finally, the Israeli Sayeret Matkal, who is a role model, thanks to the audacity, complexity and professionalism of her operations. The special forces accounted for more than 200 operations abroad. Efficiency is high: over the past 45 years, hostages have rarely died, casualties among personnel are minimal (for every hundred liquidated terrorists, 1 unit soldier dies). For the same period, there is no information on the participation of Sayeret Matkal in the hostilities, and the list of operations carried out by them is limited to the release of hostages, deep intelligence, and the neutralization of specific terrorists. Sayeret Matkal is subordinate to the Office of Military Intelligence (Aman), which, in turn, is an independent service, and not part of the ground forces, navy or air force.



Transformation into “combat spotters”?


Thus, we are witnessing a trend in accordance with which the most successful foreign counter-terrorism units are either not subordinate to the Ministry of Defense, or only partially subordinate to it, or strive for a separate functioning. We also see that world experience highlights the futility and harmfulness of using such structures in hostilities. However, the Russian Ministry of Defense continues to use the Special Operations Forces in Syria, deforming their unique skills and turning the SSO from an elite unit into regular combat spotters, gunners, DRG and DSB, which are already enough in our army.

It can be foreseen that supporters of the preservation of the status quo will say: the situation with the seizure of Russian hostages abroad is now not so acute as to pay special attention to this. However, in this matter it all depends on the interpretation of the concepts of "terrorism" and "hostage", which are undergoing a certain transformation in the present century. In particular, it is worth recalling the Geneva Declaration of 1987, which interprets mass arbitrary arrests, demonstration courts and other practices of the police state as state terrorism. And from the political concept of "state terrorism" to the legal term "terrorism" - just one step.

We came to the XNUMXst century with the realization that terrorism does not have a nationality. Now comes the understanding that terrorism also has no posts, titles or state status. That is, the obviously illegal (arbitrary) armed seizure of citizens and the deprivation of their freedom is, in fact, the same terrorism, regardless of whether it is committed by a religious fanatic or a man in police uniform, throws a person in a pit or in prison, and the field commander convicts or official court.

Today, about 6000 Russians are in foreign prisons, hundreds of them are there illegally, that is, without any legal grounds or by sentences disproportionate to the offense committed. This is exactly what is happening with dozens of our sailors in Greece, who are given life sentences for crimes they did not commit, and with our sociologists who are in a Libyan prison without trial. The migration crisis and recent events in Syria, Turkey, Greece and Libya make them hostages to the situation, since all these countries now want something from Russia, and the Russians sitting behind bars unwittingly become an element of political bargaining and pressure on the Russian Federation.

The limits of non-interference have clear boundaries outlined by international law and the domestic law of the state. The Israeli secret services will not stop the liberation operation even from the fact that Palestinian authorities seized their citizen. The US will not stop its “seals” because their diplomats were arrested by Iran’s official police. It would never occur to anyone to justify the Holocaust because it was in line with the official orders of the Third Reich authorities. And there is no reason for Russia to regard the illegal arrests of its fellow citizens as not terrorism and not be ready to carry out operations to free them.

The hunt for Russians around the world


And still, Russia has not used MTR units on the territory of countries where military operations are not conducted and with which interstate relations are formally maintained (with the exception of Crimea), preferring to use diplomatic methods whenever possible. This is partly due to the fact that when people who are illegally thrown into state prisons are released, it is almost impossible to avoid victims among the guards of prisons, who are essentially not guilty because they are obliged to comply with criminal orders of the authorities, not being able to assess their legitimacy and honestly carrying out their official duties responsibilities. Free five innocent Russians, while killing two dozen innocent foreigners is too high a price that negates the expediency of the operation and can lead to serious political costs. Including this aspect, it makes foreign counterparts of the MTR pay special attention to non-lethal and sublethal means of suppressing and neutralizing the enemy. For example, the anti-terrorist unit SAS invented the well-known stun grenade (G60), while the French GIGN practices the use of an electric pulse gun Taser X26, and when using a lethal weapons trying to shoot terrorists in the shoulder of an armed hand. “Our basic principle is to not use firearms until the last”- said Denis Favier, ex-commander of GIGN.

An analysis of video materials on the work and training of MTR allows us to assume that they are generally unfamiliar with non-lethal and sublethal weapons, and the Syrian experience is unlikely to teach them to shoot in the shoulder and encourages them to minimize the use of firearms.


On February 27 (on MTR day), the famous rock singer Yulia Chicherina said something that relatives and friends of prisoners of the Libyan prison Mitiga have long been thinking about:

“I think the only option is to exert force pressure on Tripoli in order to detain the Russians in the future for them was unprofitable. Steps to save their own citizens rally society, increase confidence in the security forces, the government in general, and this strengthens Russia's position. This is a challenge for our intelligence services: the time has come, and this is a good reason to restore order in Libya that the Americans destroyed. After the assassination of Muammar Gaddafi, the legal field in Libya is very arbitrary. A lightning strike with the support of the air forces will sober up all our ill-wishers and force us to Russian press in the region. "



You can be arbitrarily indignant over the competence of “these civilians” and resent the fact that “some singer gives advice to the military,” but those who wear epaulets must take for granted that they are not civilians, but civil society (through their representatives in power) determines the scope, time and expediency of the use of the armed forces (despite the fact that the competence of the military in choosing means, methods, strategies and tactics for the implementation of tasks) cannot be challenged. And in this regard, Chicherina expressed general sentiment in a society that is shocked by the mass arrests of Russians abroad, which today have reached such proportions that our country has not seen in all of post-war history. The United States plays an important role in this bacchanalia, at the request of which there is a hunt for Russians all over the world, which to a large extent has no proper legal basis.

Prerequisites


Of course, the MTR intervention should occur after a number of preconditions have been fulfilled, which must be implemented by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the legislature and the competent authorities. These conditions are:

- legal assessment and recognition of unlawful imprisonment of Russian citizens;
- confirmation that diplomatic methods for the release of citizens have been exhausted, and economic and political methods of influence have not yielded results;
- approval of the State Duma (President) of an operation outside the Russian Federation while maintaining the secrecy of the proposed operation;
- assessment of risks and expediency of the operation;
- assessment of political consequences and the implementation of a package of measures to minimize negative consequences;
- the creation of an operational headquarters for monitoring the operation from representatives of law enforcement agencies, competent departments and ministries, and legislators;
- approval of the plan of information coverage of the operation at all stages and the necessary control over the media;
- approval of the action plan in case of failure of the operation;
- implementation of a set of measures to prepare public opinion both domestically and abroad.

No proven algorithm


How these conditions will be implemented remains a mystery, because at the moment in Russia there is no proven algorithm of actions in such situations and there is no body designed to carry out interagency cooperation, respond and make decisions on protecting the constitutional rights of Russian citizens abroad by all available methods (in including power, if other methods have been exhausted). Ask any representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs about the scheme of interaction with the Moscow Region and methods of forcibly releasing Russians from foreign captivity, and in return you will get wide eyes and a statement that the Russian crisis cabinet is, in fact, the president’s office.

Today, the Special Operations Forces resemble an ultramodern concept car stuffed with the latest achievements of science and technology, but so classified that it is not known where it has a steering wheel, gearbox and clutch.

One of the most important components of the activities of counter-terrorism units is their public positioning and interaction with the media. Neglecting PR-technologies, the German GSG 9 got serious problems, and not neglecting competent advertising, GIGN turned from a line in the budget expenditures into a highly profitable enterprise, giving master classes around the world, advising the creation of similar units in other countries and teaching even the American " Delta "and the German GSG 9. But the most important thing is that a public demonstration of the unit’s capabilities in many cases has a psychological effect on the enemy, often avoiding conducting a power operation, and, therefore, to avoid possible casualties. An example is siege of Balk Streetwhen the terrorists surrendered after learning from the BBC broadcast that the British SAS was going to storm them.

A great example when the image of special forces and their willingness to use them work to prevent illegal seizures of citizens is the same USA that created the legend that any seizure of an American citizen abroad leads to the immediate sending of aircraft, aircraft carriers and combat swimmers to the incident area. Of course, this is just a myth: US citizens are not much less in foreign prisons than people with other citizenships. But if it weren’t for a competent PR campaign, then there would have been twice as many of them, and not only for the cause, but also without legal grounds.

How many foreign police, prosecutors or judges have been held accountable for the arbitrary arrests of Russians who were recognized as arbitrary and unreasonable in these countries? Zero! The absence of fear of the inevitable responsibility for arbitrariness and repression against our fellow citizens makes it possible to create any lawlessness against them with impunity. And while they watch overseas how our “commandos”, called upon to respond harshly to the illegal seizures and abductions of Russians, are fighting in Syria and practicing security measures at the training grounds, nothing will change in this regard.

What is the leadership of the Special Operations Forces in Public Relations doing? MTR has three channels for this: in networks VK и TwitterAs well as YouTube. Surprisingly, among the nearly fifty videos posted there about the MTR exercises and trainings, there are not a single that featured hostages or the release of civilians. Illuminating these tasks that the MTR should be able to carry out, it’s a stretch to take the only video, which briefly shows the exercises on the capture and clearing of a civilian vessel from two terrorists in training pants in the complete absence of hostages.



Among the published materials, you also practically will not find video training in buildings and enclosed spaces (where hostages are usually held), you will not see personnel evacuating citizens from dangerous facilities and helping the wounded. Everything that the foreign colleagues of the MTR try to focus on is missing.

The Ministry of Defense without hesitation throws its high-quality and expensive toy into the midst of armed conflict, while society expects the state to at least demonstrate a willingness to save civilians in different parts of the world.



What prevents the MTR command from building models of Mitig Prison, Guam Prison, or Saipan Prison on training grounds, where kidnapped Russians were detained and strategically available for special operations because of their proximity to the coastline and airfield (recall Entebbe operation)? Who, if not the MTR, should carry out operations that foreign special services are so proud of to capture (liquidate) and deliver for the court to the territory of the Russian Federation persons involved in the terrorist seizures of Russians? These questions are still unanswered.

On the example of the story with Viktor Bout, we see that our legal partners are not interfered with by any legal conflicts in order to command a foreign citizen to be seized abroad on charges of harming Americans outside the United States. But Russia is still inclined to practice “mirror responses” only when the harm to the citizens of the Russian Federation is inflicted within the territorial borders of the Russian Federation.

Perhaps for the leadership of the MTR this will be newsbut in Russia non-governmental organizations already exist that have plans for prisons where Russians are kept register, track the connections and movements of persons involved in state terrorism, have contacts of local citizens who are ready to assist in the liberation operations. And these organizations are ready to share their best practices, but nobody turns to them.

Why do we need Special Operations Forces?

Conclusions


It is likely that some of the MTR missions are still not declassified and not all the subtleties of their work are acceptable for public demonstration, which makes this analytical review not sufficiently objective and somewhat one-sided, but there are some conclusions that seem quite obvious:

1. The full-scale use of MTR in armed conflicts is harmful, inexpedient and unpromising.

2. It is necessary if not joint subordination of the MTR to several ministries (in addition to the Ministry of Defense), then at least the development of a mechanism for the operational interaction of the MTR leadership with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Human Rights Council. Perhaps this will be a kind of interagency committee that will determine the possibility and necessity of applying the MTR. Otherwise, the MTR will never release a single civilian hostage, if only because the Ministry of Defense does not have information about civilian hostages.

3. It is necessary to reorient the MTR to operations to release civilians (including those outside the combat conflict zone) and visualize this work in the form of relevant public video reports (as foreign units similar to the MTR do).

I would like to hope that the absurd paradigm in which armed people who illegally kidnap and hold our fellow citizens in foreign captivity, we can oppose only notes and petitions, will be changed, and every Russian will know that not only the Foreign Ministry and human rights organizations are behind him , but also a highly professional counter-terrorism unit.
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  3. +9
    7 March 2020 06: 04
    The author, the analysis is good and deep, but in my opinion the main mistake is that the MTR is not Alpha, the MTR has different divisions with different tasks, not only for the release of hostages .. But also adjustment and operational intelligence .. It's just different divisions MTR ..
    By the way, regarding the "partners":
    In the instruction “Fundamentals of the preparation and conduct of special operations of the land component of the MTR” (2018), new tasks assigned to the Special Operations Forces are defined: the formation of the operational situation; actions of advanced units of the MTR; intelligence activities.
    The American MTR has a purpose: In the course of their activities, the location of previously detected targets is clarified and further formation of the operational situation is carried out for subsequent strikes on them. These actions include: reconnaissance of targets from positions in their immediate vicinity; their classification and labeling, observation and positioning; organization of reception, deployment, concentration and subsequent advance of troops; preparation of infrastructure; adjustment of ground and aircraft weapons in the final section of the flight path of ammunition, etc. "
    Therefore, there is nothing unusual in such use of the "advanced units of the Special Operations Forces", just different units with "liberating" hostages .. no one is hammering nails with a "microscope". this is a normal world practice ..
    1. +5
      7 March 2020 07: 00
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      in the MTR there are different units with different tasks,

      That's it !!!! For some reason, the author missed one key detail - this is the wars in Chechnya. When there were a lot of special forces and there was no single command. The SSO corrected this deficiency. And otherwise, it is pointless to discuss its creation for the hundredth time. To perform tasks abroad. there is accumulated experience and VIMPEL subdivisions. But this requires the will of the country's leadership and an ass not soiled by foreign assets and real estate. What is the sin of our leadership, so much so that the new constitution did not even mention these assets. So everything will remain the same. ...
      1. +3
        7 March 2020 07: 56
        I wonder how the MTR corrected this flaw? All special units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were transferred to the National Guard, which is by no means to the MTR. The army as it was its special forces and remained
        1. -3
          7 March 2020 10: 08
          Quote: Nehist
          I wonder how the MTR corrected this flaw?

          On the example of Syria, all special forces involved in military operations are gathered together and subordinated to the general command. Even the VP.In Chechnya, the same task was carried out by different departments and each unit had its own commander. In turn, these commanders had their own command in Moscow, who did not submit to the general leadership of the counter-terrorist operation. Read the history of the confrontation and problems with the general leadership. I personally knew the deputy commander of the North Caucasus Military District during the second company. He spoke about the same.
          1. -2
            7 March 2020 11: 20
            MTRs did not fix this flaw.
            And if God forbid it smells, everything will return to the original.
            Because a single leadership never appeared. The only positive thing is that the "spetsnaz" of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the "spetsnaz" of the Internal Troops are now under the same "Russian Guard" command.

            Therefore, domestic action is a bad example.
            1. 0
              7 March 2020 11: 40
              Quote: Spade
              The only positive thing is that the "spetsnaz" of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the "spetsnaz" of the Internal Troops are now under the same "Russian Guard" command.

              This is not the MTR, and they cannot participate in wars and military operations, especially abroad. The military police are also not in their department. I believe that with the formation of the MTR, the activities of the special forces of the army and navy became much stronger. The spraying is not here because the MTR It does not replace their activities, but is simply imprisoned for certain tasks.
              1. 0
                7 March 2020 11: 55
                MTR as I see it now is something like a focal point. But they do not have their strengths and means. Since even in Syria such a hodgepodge. So dear Lopatov is right.
            2. 0
              8 March 2020 00: 17
              Quote: Spade
              The only positive thing is that the "spetsnaz" of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the "spetsnaz" of the Internal Troops are now under the same "Russian Guard" command.

              It is rather negative.
        2. 0
          7 March 2020 10: 25
          Quote: Nehist
          I wonder how the MTR corrected this flaw?

          Sorry, I was mistaken. For the deputy commander of the North Caucasian Military District, and the deputy commander of the 58th Army of the North Caucasian Military District in armament, deputy commander for armament of the entire group.
    2. +12
      7 March 2020 09: 32
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      The author, the analysis is good and deep, but in my opinion the main mistake

      ... that the author simply did not understand what MTR is.
      Because he wrote so much game.
      In fact, the scope of the MTR tasks for any country is much more extensive.
      And if in a simple way, they are used in peacetime and wartime to "forcefully support" the interests of the state, when the use of conventional units is impossible or impractical.
      1. +3
        7 March 2020 10: 56
        Short and capacious hi
      2. 0
        7 March 2020 14: 06
        they are used in peacetime and wartime
        The author just sees what is used "in wartime" and considers it harmful and inappropriate. If this was the intention, then the idea itself must be changed. Why the heck would send a surgeon to work in a slaughterhouse.
        1. +5
          7 March 2020 17: 40
          Quote: CPLCRB-press
          The author just sees what is used "in wartime"

          The author does not see.
          If he opened his eyes, he would find that the main job of modern MTRs is to prepare various formations for combat operations, to train them, and when they enter into combat leadership and coordination, including with aviation.
          Any conflict, and there it is.

          Quote: CPLCRB-press
          If this was intended, then it means you need to change the idea itself.

          Ага.
          Let's send Vasya Pupkin to Syria, half a year ago, drafted into the army. He will train Syrian fighters and coordinate the strikes of Russian aviation.
      3. 0
        7 March 2020 15: 00
        the author just did not understand what MTR is
        The author believes that the key to professionalism is precisely a narrow specialization, and an extensive range of applications is not buzzing. A sniper who hits a terrorist in the eye (so as not to spoil the skin) should not learn how to work with a mortar. And the one in whose work the use of fragmentation grenades is prohibited should not get into Syrian hell. No one will be better off.
        1. +5
          7 March 2020 17: 43
          Quote: CPLCRB-press
          A sniper who hits a terrorist in the eye (so as not to spoil the skin) should not learn how to work with a mortar.

          On the contrary, it is necessary. The sniper is simply obliged to be able to adjust the fire of other operating systems, from the AGS to 152 artillery.

          Quote: CPLCRB-press
          And the one in whose work the use of fragmentation grenades is prohibited should not get into Syrian hell.

          ??
          You did not confuse the MTR with the police special forces.
          1. 0
            21 May 2020 20: 34
            Quote: Spade

            ??
            You did not confuse the MTR with the police special forces.

            We do not have police units to carry out work abroad. Police operations to free hostages and neutralize terrorists outside the Russian Federation are assigned to the MTR,
        2. +4
          7 March 2020 18: 05
          Quote: CPLCRB-press
          A sniper who hits a terrorist in the eye (so as not to spoil the skin) should not learn how to work with a mortar.

          This is a deep misconception, because in Soviet times, in Soviet times, everyone was trained not from mortars, but from grenade launchers, but reconnaissance group commanders, graduates of military schools, could use not only our mortars, but also everything that was at hand from foreign weapons. So the sniper was simply obliged to be able to conduct targeted fire from any standard weapon of the group - they were taught this. Well, the group commander was obliged to take tests on the knowledge of foreign armies, including the use of foreign weapons.
        3. +2
          7 March 2020 23: 56
          Probably, some of the MTR missions are still not declassified and not all the subtleties of their work are acceptable for public demonstration, which makes this analytical review insufficient objective and to some extent one-sided

          Author, your words or not?
          1. 0
            21 May 2020 20: 41
            Quote: brat07
            Probably, some of the MTR missions are still not declassified and not all the subtleties of their work are acceptable for public demonstration, which makes this analytical review insufficient objective and to some extent one-sided

            Author, your words or not?

            In the public domain there is never and will not be completely objective information about the activities of special forces, but by some miracle the society receives information about them and controls the activities of the paramilitary units that exist on their taxes. Uncontrolled paramilitary units do not have the right to exist in a democratic state.
    3. +4
      7 March 2020 12: 13
      The MTR is a force for conducting operations where we are not. This is what they are doing. If necessary - disguised as someone. WHO abroad is only part of their tasks. Declared. In general, any operations behind enemy lines or hostile neutrals are also their tasks. For example, in Idlib, from the very moment we entered Syria, field commanders of militants began to mysteriously die. From shots of snipers in the deep rear, from explosions, from attacks by unknown persons. During the operation in Aleppo, the MTR conducted reconnaissance, unexpected enemy attacks and sabotage actions. In the Syrian desert, the MTR hunted the militants and opened their communications. Also, having found the objects of the militants, they aimed aircraft at them. Very often, the MTR moved under the guise of military police or private traders.
      Special forces brigades of the General Staff of the General Staff are, after all, large units intended for military operations of sabotage and reconnaissance nature in the conditions of a military base. MTRs are relatively small professional teams capable of operating abroad and conducting operations there without displaying a flag or declaring war. Including under the guise of someone else. This is a much finer tool. hi
      1. +1
        7 March 2020 18: 17
        Quote: g1v2
        Special forces brigades of the General Staff of the General Staff are, after all, large units intended for military operations of sabotage and reconnaissance nature in the conditions of a military base. MTRs are relatively small professional teams capable of operating abroad and conducting operations there without displaying a flag or declaring war.

        You are too simplistic about the actions of such structures in a combat situation, because in order for them to be able to carry out their tasks, they must not only own the operational situation, but also constantly receive information about its changes, and this can only be given to them by the intelligence chief of the appropriate level . That is why the MTRs were born on the basis of Special Forces brigades, and if earlier the brigades were subordinate to the district command, then the MTRs were removed from the district subordination, as I understand it, and were closed to the General Staff structure - the GRU. And this is due primarily to the fact that only the GRU is able to provide all the necessary information on the area where such forces are used, and during the operations to organize their management through the special radio communications service. Not a single genus and type of our armed forces is simply able to ensure the existence of such groups in the rear, that’s why they must exist in a structure that can provide them with everything necessary and provide leadership, evacuation, rescue, support by other forces when they perform special operations.
        1. -1
          7 March 2020 19: 18
          You are mistaken. MTR is generally a separate structure which is engaged in combat coordination of various units from tankers to pilots. A kind of temporary, non-universal unit for the duration of the operation under its control. Something similar to the Combat Tactical Group, but with strategic objectives. Unfortunately, in the MTR there is a constant rotation of drugs and for a big war this structure will be useless
          1. 0
            7 March 2020 19: 23
            Quote: Nehist
            You are mistaken. MTR is generally a separate structure which is engaged in combat coordination of various units from tankers to pilots.

            Maybe I'm wrong, but you just don’t know how difficult it is to contain tanks, planes, special weapons in one structure, and yet hell knows how many different little things - you just don’t know what it is, that's why you paint so famously what is real life is impossible to organize.
            Quote: Nehist
            Something similar to the Combat Tactical Group, but with strategic objectives.

            And who will provide them while fulfilling strategic tasks, at least by means of communication?
            1. 0
              7 March 2020 19: 29
              You yourself wrote above who the General Staff of the GRU. That is, all control is closed to the General Staff of the GRU bypassing the General Staff of the armed forces and that's the highlight.
              Remember the second Chechen. Where intelligence and information support was provided by the GRU. While the Grushniki did not give a command, the units stood by and large, but coordination took place through the headquarters, which took time. That's the creation of the MTR and decided to abolish the extra links
              1. -1
                8 March 2020 11: 55
                Quote: Nehist
                Remember the second Chechen.

                At that time, our army was in discord, and for that period it is not worth drawing far-reaching conclusions - we must first make sense of everything before building anything.
                Quote: Nehist
                You yourself wrote above who the General Staff of the GRU. That is, all control is closed to the General Staff of the GRU bypassing the General Staff of the armed forces and that's the highlight.

                The highlight was that even in the prime of the GRU under P.I. Ivashutine, Special Forces brigades were not part of the GRU and were imposed during the time of A.A. Grechko, although initially they planned to obey only the high command of the Ground Forces. In general, this is a long story, and as I understand it, now the MTR is directly closed to the General Staff, and in what status their chief, I can not judge.
    4. +1
      7 March 2020 14: 03
      But also adjustment and operational intelligence .. It's just that these are different units of the MTR ..
      The question is why do you need to hang up on the MTR the formation of the operational situation and intelligence in hostilities, if there are staff units for this in the armed forces? So you need to change the rules of use. And the presence of several units within the MTR is logical - at least one frees the hostages, and the second catches terrorists in the valleys and on the hills. But hardly any of these units need mortar and artillery skills.
      1. +3
        7 March 2020 17: 59
        Quote: CPLCRB-press
        at least one free hostages

        What did you stick to these hostages?
        Here we read about the German MTR.
        "According to the" Concept of Special Operations of the German Ground Forces, "units of the FRG MTR can independently or jointly with units of the Armed Forces of partner countries conduct operations, including interspecific:
        - the initial period of armed conflict (war);
        - in the depths of the defense (territory) of the enemy;
        - against irregular (partisan) formations;
        - rescue.
        "(c) Colonel S Korchagin
        factmil.com/publ/strana/germanija/sily_specialnykh_operacij_bundesvera_2012/41-1-0-111
        Read, yet it is in the public domain ... Wikipedia is a bad source.

        http://factmil.com/publ/soderzhanie/sso/51
      2. +3
        7 March 2020 18: 24
        Quote: CPLCRB-press
        . And the presence of several units within the MTR is logical - at least one frees the hostages,

        Why would the ministry of defense take hostages?
        Quote: CPLCRB-press
        and the second catches terrorists in the valleys and on the hills.

        If it is in our country, then the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs exist for this, and if it is abroad, then why chase after terrorists, if it is much more important to find them and destroy them with precision weapons, for example from drones.
        Quote: CPLCRB-press
        But hardly any of these units need mortar and artillery skills.

        And why do you weave together the tasks of four different power structures of our country, and you think that the MTR should solve them at the same time. Do you even understand that this is complete stupidity, at least from the point of view of preparing and studying such units, and I’m not even talking about the application - you are tormented, for example, by coordinating evacuation if it is somewhere far from our borders.
  4. -2
    7 March 2020 06: 17
    Why do we need Special Operations Forces?

    Weird question. He who has the understanding, and he himself knows - for what ... And to the hamsters, no matter how you say, write, everything is in vain. They are up to the state, its interests - rainbow with a white ribbon

    The article is sensible, but as noted Nikolay / Level 2 Advisor /sins with a little inaccuracy.
    1. 0
      7 March 2020 14: 53
      Weird question.
      The question in the title refers to the scope of the MTR and does not in any way dispute the necessity and importance of the MTR.
  5. +5
    7 March 2020 06: 30
    As far as I know the number of MTRs, it is many times more than 80 people. Therefore, it is incorrect to compare MTRs with small specialized special forces. MTR has a much wider range of tasks. MTR is not a division at all, but structures.
    It turns out that the author compared the tasks of the special platoon with the tasks of the army.
  6. +3
    7 March 2020 06: 53
    In this context, the Special Operations Forces differed from other special forces not only in that they were formed and deployed without too much fuss and in the prevailing secrecy regime, but also in the uniqueness of their mission and scope. First of all, it is counter-terrorism operations and the release of hostages in the territory of foreign states. All other MTR tasks are not unique and to one degree or another duplicate the tasks performed by other units of the RF Armed Forces.

    And on the site of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, it was too lazy to go in order not to write something that, to put it mildly, is not true!
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation defines the term "special operation" as follows:
    "Special operations of troops (forces) is a set of special actions of troops (forces), coordinated in terms of goals, tasks, place and time, carried out according to a single plan and plan to achieve certain goals. Special actions of troops (forces) are activities carried out by specially designated, organized , trained and equipped forces using methods and methods of combat operations that are not typical for conventional forces (reconnaissance and sabotage, subversive, counter-terrorist, counter-sabotage, counter-intelligence, partisan, anti-partisan and other actions). "

    Despite the secrecy, even in matters of subordination, many experts agree that the difference between the MTR from special forces units (Alpha, Vympel, etc.) is that these are not separate groups of professionally trained military personnel, but a highly mobile army group, designed to perform special tasks abroad and domestically.
    1. +1
      7 March 2020 14: 24
      And on the site of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, laziness was to go
      So, not only on the website of the Ministry of Defense, but also in none of the Russian ministries, the tasks of releasing hostages abroad are not spelled out. Only the word "counterterrorism" hints at the work of the MTR in this respect. But there is a small ambush here - military operations abroad (without appropriate parliamentary approval procedures), outside the framework of official military operations, are generally prohibited by both international legal norms and our legislation. So here you have to read between the lines.
    2. 0
      7 March 2020 17: 44
      Unfortunately this group does not exist in real life. And she is going, as before, from different divisions, but now at least under one leadership, which is not a definite plus.
  7. +7
    7 March 2020 06: 58
    The author of the article is mistaken, MTRs are created to solve a wide range of tasks, and not just to free hostages.
    For example, the US MTR includes:
    The 75th Ranger Regiment - 3300 people. It is intended for reconnaissance, raids, sabotage, capture of enemy airfields for the transfer of their troops to the rear of the enemy by air.
    The task of the 4th group of psychological operations is to discredit the government of the target country, its policies, state leaders and the armed forces of the enemy, the decomposition of its troops, the prevention of guerrilla warfare, etc. The methods are usually traditional: leaflets, spreading rumors from person to person, the Internet, television, mobile communications, radio broadcasts (distribution or scattering of cheap radios tuned to the same frequency), broadcasting using loud-speaking communications. Organizationally, it consists of: a headquarters and a staff company and six battalions of psychological operations: 1, 5, 6 and 8 - regional, 3 - the preparation and distribution of print, audio and video information, 9 - broadcast installations. The group has 1200 military personnel (133 officers, two warrant officers, 1000 sergeants and soldiers) and 57 civilian specialists.
    The 95th Civil Administration Liaison Brigade is designed to ensure the "interaction" of the command of the US armed forces with the authorities and population of the host country in order to attract them and available local resources for the fullest possible support of the US military operations. The brigade has about 900 military personnel and civilian specialists. Organizationally, it consists of a headquarters and a headquarters company and four battalions for relations with the civil administration. Each battalion has up to 200 people.

    Reconnaissance and sabotage groups are just one of the applications of MTR:
    Afghanistan, Operation Enduring Freedom. Reconnaissance and sabotage groups (RDG) of 6-12 people were formed from the 5th group of the MTR of the ground forces. Each RDG had an aircraft controller. The tasks of the reconnaissance were to clarify the location and condition of the objects of the planned missile and bomb strikes: state and military infrastructure, areas of concentration of personnel and military equipment of the armed formations of the Islamic movement "Taliban", training camps for militants of the "Al-Qaeda" organization, shelters of their leaders, etc. etc. As well as aiming strike aircraft at them and reconnaissance of the results of strikes to determine the need for repeated attacks. When detected by the enemy RDG, the latter was immediately evacuated by MTR helicopters. Subsequently, at the operational bases of the MTR in the cities of Kandahar and Bagram, from the usual units of the ground forces and the marines of the rapid response group (RRT) on helicopters were created. They were in 30-60 minute readiness for departure at the command of the RDG. The GBR were used to destroy small groups of the Taliban. Fire support for the RDG was carried out by CO AC-130H / U aircraft and F-18 fighter-bombers (flight time did not exceed 30 minutes)

    Consider two well-known examples of British MTR actions in local wars.
    The first. Operation to destroy Argentine Air Force aircraft during the Falklands Conflict at Pebble Island, May 14-15, 1982. The day before, four days before it began, two SBS patrols (four people each) were landed on the neighboring island of West Falkland by helicopters with the task of conducting reconnaissance of the aircraft base. Having crossed the strait in collapsible canoes, the patrols set up observation posts at a distance of 1800 meters from the airfield and conducted reconnaissance. On the morning of May 14, at the opposite end of Pebble Island, three Sea King helicopters landed two platoons from Company D, 22nd SAS. They were armed with 5,56 mm M16 rifles with underbarrel 40-mm M203 grenade launchers, 66-mm disposable M72 grenade launchers of American production (now in service with the UK SSO there is a 94-mm disposable anti-tank grenade launcher LAW80 of its own production), English 7,62-mm hand-held grenade launchers GPMG machine guns and two 81-mm mortars. Each soldier carried two mortar mines and explosive charges. Having made the transition to the place of the operation, the detachment divided into two groups and took up its starting positions. One group of 20 people was supposed to destroy the planes in the parking lots, the other covered their actions, preventing reinforcements from arriving from the nearest Argentine garrison. In addition to mortar fire, the actions of the MTR detachment were supported by the fire of the destroyer "Glamorgan" (the landing force included an officer from the destroyer to adjust the fire of the naval artillery). Since the operation took place in the dark, for better orientation, along with high-explosive fragmentation, lighting shells and mines were used for firing. During the operation, all 11 Argentine aircraft were destroyed. British losses - two wounded. In total, 45 people participated in the operation on their part.
    Second. Operations by four SAS mobile reconnaissance units in Land Rover 110 vehicles, Land Rover Defender 90 light reconnaissance vehicles and motorcycles in the rear of the Iraqi forces. They were entrusted with the following tasks: detection of Skat mobile missiles; guidance of aviation to detected missile launchers (PU), reconnaissance of the results of strikes; independent destruction of the launcher if it was not possible to call the aircraft or it did not have time to arrive in the launcher detection area before the start of the "Scud" missile launcher. The mobile detachment consisted of 12 vehicles and two or three motorcyclists. each vehicle had three people, a commander, a driver and a gunner-operator of the firing installation. As the latter, about half of the vehicles housed the Milan ATGM, and the rest - 12,7-mm Browning machine guns or automatic American 40-mm Mk-19 grenade launchers.
    The penetration of the British SAS into Iraqi territory began five days before the start of the war in groups of four and eight. They were delivered to pre-designated points in the western, southern and northern regions of Iraq at night by Chinook helicopters equipped with reconnaissance equipment and equipment for jamming enemy air defense radar systems. The use of such means made it possible to ensure the covert disembarkation of SAS groups with vehicles.
    In carrying out the task, the detachment advanced in the convoy of vehicles, with guards ahead of a pair of motorcyclists or a light reconnaissance vehicle. Upon arrival in the mission area, a base was organized from where reconnaissance patrols (RD) were sent by cars to inspect areas of the area. At the base location, the cars were lined up in a circle and camouflaged using regular means. The personnel, not busy with any tasks, were inside this circle: rested, put in order weapons and equipment. At a distance of 250-300 m, paired patrols were put up to guard the base, the number of which depended on the terrain and the proximity of the enemy. On the basis of constant watch was organized to maintain contact with taxiways and security. Having examined one area in this way, the entire column moved to a new one, where the whole procedure was repeated.
    Specific example. On February 3, 1991, the RD, consisting of three vehicles, discovered an Iraqi convoy with launchers (14 vehicles in total) in the area of ​​the city of Ar Rutbakh. Having conveyed a message to the command about the discovery of Scud missiles, the reconnaissance patrol, following a parallel route, constantly monitored the convoy. About 10 minutes later, two F-15 tactical fighters appeared and launched a missile attack on the Iraqi convoy. After the smoke cleared and the dust settled, the taxiway commander discovered that two launchers remained intact and reported this to the center by radio. Having received a message that there will be air support, but now there is no aviation in this area that could repeat the strike before the Skatov launch was made, the RD commander decided to independently destroy the remaining launchers with Milan ATGM fire (the remaining launchers had spent two ATGMs). The Milan missile strike betrayed the RD positions. During the ensuing battle with the Iraqi reinforcements arrived in time, one vehicle was hit. But the tactical F-15 fighters that came to the rescue struck the Iraqis and the British RD, taking advantage of the coming twilight, escaped pursuit in the remaining vehicles.


    Foreign experience

    The third section of my article is devoted to foreign MTRs.
    http://www.sinor.ru/~bukren21/VDV_Russia.doc
    1. +2
      7 March 2020 07: 48
      Well, and what tasks does the GRU do?

      About how our state treats its citizens is a separate story, when in spain, greece (programmers) are "taken", and upon request they are given striped ones, we express our concern ... on the right, you need to pull the fleet to the shores of the state, as we once did Americans, when their citizen was "pissed off" in Vietnam.

      And we only remember when Nastya the fish was chalky, then everyone fussed and everything was in my memory.

      Ps
      By the way, the fighter "Azov" who was recently detained in Greece was released ... handsome men, why ... they just shake the air. But a woman is “okay” for a plastic cup. Husks! Strong state!
      1. +1
        7 March 2020 08: 00
        Do not believe the GRU in priority intelligence and not all sorts of deviations there and so on
    2. 0
      7 March 2020 11: 50
      ,, ... my first syllable, at the bottom of the sea
      at the bottom of the sea, my second syllable ... ''
      Ilf / Petrov.
    3. 0
      7 March 2020 14: 29
      For example, the US MTR includes:
      The author just critically evaluates the US anti-terrorist units precisely for the lack of narrow specialization and misuse.
    4. +1
      14 March 2020 01: 09
      Quote: riwas
      MTR created to solve a wide range of tasks

      Absolutely.
  8. +5
    7 March 2020 07: 31
    What was it? those who wrote this might at least attend to the study of tasks, and from which departments did this structure even grow? Is it the former GRU of the former should the Interior Ministry obey and rescue the hostages or something? what commissions? what kind of liberal foolishness?))) visualization of this work in the form of relevant public video reports))) you generally trash it)))
  9. +4
    7 March 2020 07: 33
    The analysis of video materials about the work and training of MTR allows us to make an assumption that they generally unfamiliar with samples of non-lethal and sublethal weapons, and the Syrian experience unlikely to teach them how to shoot in the shoulder and stimulates to minimize the use of firearms.

    What is this nonsense from Leopold the cat? A good terrorist is a dead terrorist. The rest is "from the evil one"
    1. 0
      7 March 2020 14: 35
      A good terrorist is a dead terrorist
      Not certainly in that way. At least because it is not always possible during the operation to understand who the terrorist is and who is the hostage. Secondly, because it is desirable to leave them alive for interrogations and to identify customers and accomplices.
      1. 0
        7 March 2020 14: 49
        Israel is one of the countries most affected by terrorism. After the ultimatum "we are not negotiating with terrorists" and 100% "cleansing" not only of the terrorists themselves and their relatives (up to the demolition of their families' houses), the number of terrorist attacks sharply decreased. It was the same in Russia. While Chernomyrdin was persuading Basayev, they blew up or killed something almost every day.
        And those countries that "chew snot" - (England, France) there is a continuous relapse.
        It became known the name of a man who attacked passers-by with a knife on the eve of central London. According to Scotland Yard, the offender was called Sudesh Aman. He was 20 years old. He had previously been held accountable for terrorism and remained under the supervision of the British police. (February 3, 2020)
      2. +1
        8 March 2020 04: 09
        target identification is an intelligence task. collateral damage is possible but it will not be placed above the lives of specialists. this is not a police special forces. they have other tasks and powers. Attempts to capture this are unnecessary victims. destruction is a much more effective solution. and movies about the destruction of Hussein filmed for the townsfolk to justify this is stupidity. if they knew that he was exactly there, why was there an extra risk and an assault operation when it could be elementary with axes, for example, with illumination from a distance, to destroy him? this is a show.
  10. +3
    7 March 2020 07: 40
    An amateur wrote an article and a person is not in the subject, but as a test of the pen for the uninitiated
    1. 0
      7 March 2020 10: 26
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      An amateur wrote an article and a person is not in the subject, but as a test of the pen for the uninitiated

      There is another opinion:
      Excellent article.

      So it would be good to point out the author’s obvious mistakes that are in the article so that people understand what is at stake.
      1. +2
        7 March 2020 13: 32
        I answer the question. About Russian MTR there is very little information in open sources of information, there are a couple of videos on the network and that’s all, it’s secreted and protected by the state, so there’s no sense in writing an article about our MTR without reliable sources on this topic, a simple copyright if you are comfortable read on health, but the people involved in this topic the article will cause a grin
        1. -2
          7 March 2020 17: 55
          Quote: CommanderDIVA
          I answer the question. About Russian MTR there is very little information in open sources of information,

          Well, it’s not so small, considering that V.V. Kvachkov defended his dissertation about twenty years ago, in which he substantiated the need to create such forces on the basis of Special Forces brigades, but they simply did not listen to him and dismissed this idea for ten years.

          1. +2
            7 March 2020 19: 15
            I think the disser Kvachkova probably has a minimum "secret" stamp, so we will never see this scientific work in the media
            1. 0
              7 March 2020 19: 19
              Quote: CommanderDIVA
              I think the disser Kvachkova probably has a minimum "secret" stamp, so we will never see this scientific work in the media

              This is accurate, but in many interviews he himself substantiated his concept, and even in his books one can find what subsequently formed the basis for the construction of MTR.
              1. 0
                7 March 2020 19: 23
                Drop if there is an opportunity to link to Kvachkov’s books on this topic, if they are in the public domain
    2. 0
      7 March 2020 14: 38
      An amateur wrote an article
      When writing the article, the authors basically did not consult with the military, because the task was to show the view from the side of civil society. Therefore, the emphasis was placed on aspects beyond the exclusive competence of the military.
      1. +4
        7 March 2020 18: 27
        Quote: CPLCRB-press
        When writing the article, the authors basically did not consult with the military,

        And this is your big mistake, because the article sins with many erroneous conclusions.
      2. +2
        8 March 2020 04: 12
        but do not you think that civil society should not get into topics in which it is zero with a minus? maybe civil society should be engaged in what really concerns them? it is nonsense when someone without knowing either tasks or specialization climbs with tips.
        1. 0
          8 March 2020 11: 58
          Quote: carstorm 11
          but do not you think that civil society should not get into topics in which it is zero with a minus?

          They cannot live without it - to teach women to give birth, to teach military personnel to teach military affairs, to teach football coaches the skill of the game, etc ....
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  12. 0
    7 March 2020 08: 09
    Quote: Nehist
    Do not believe the GRU in priority intelligence and not all sorts of deviations there and so on


    Quote: Nehist
    Do not believe the GRU in priority intelligence and not all sorts of deviations there and so on


    I will not believe it, because I personally know a person who served in the GRU (urgent) and was, as they wrote above in this structure, exactly.
    And by the way, one of the operations of this kind, according to his story, was used on 08.08.2008
    "The task of the 4th group of psychological operations is to discredit the government of the target country, its policies, leaders of the state and the enemy's armed forces, decompose its troops, prevent guerrilla warfare, etc. The methods are usually traditional: leaflets, spreading rumors from a person to a person, the Internet, television, mobile communications, radio broadcasts (distribution or scattering of cheap radios tuned to one frequency), broadcasting using a loudspeaker communication. Organizationally, it consists of: headquarters and headquarters company and six battalions of psychological operations: 1, 5, 6 and 8 - regional, 3 - preparation and distribution of print, audio and video information, 9 - broadcast installations "
  13. +2
    7 March 2020 08: 27
    Quote: Nehist
    Do not believe the GRU in priority intelligence and not all sorts of deviations there and so on


    Correctly spelled DIVERSIONS ... but in general this is just one of the tasks of the DRG, and in general in the structure (teams) of the GRU, in addition to special forces, there is a separate mining detachment, this is just one of their immediate missions.

    The same applies to Maritime Reconnaissance Points (referred to the GRU), there is also one of the purposes of sabotage - one of the tasks of combat swimmers, including the tasks of releasing hostages on ships.
  14. -6
    7 March 2020 08: 30
    Excellent article.
    And Chicherina correctly said ..
    A lightning strike with the support of the videoconferencing system will sober up all our ill-wishers and make us respect Russians in the entire region .... in the world. So be it!
  15. 0
    7 March 2020 09: 54
    Other methods of pressure must be used to free our hostages in foreign prisons, but unfortunately the current government will not do this in order not to lose real estate, the possibility of rest and treatment, abroad, so that their children continue to study in schools in Switzerland and London.
    1. 0
      7 March 2020 14: 50
      Other methods of pressure must be used to free our hostages in foreign prisons.
      Undoubtedly! The use of the counter-terrorism unit is the last measure when all arguments are finally exhausted. But the sword of Damocles force release operation should be in constant readiness, even as a psychological tool of pressure.
      1. +3
        8 March 2020 04: 16
        the counterterrorism unit and the operation on foreign territory are different specializations and skills. in order to ensure this, months of work are needed, starting from undercover and ending with assault events.
  16. +2
    7 March 2020 10: 10
    A more stupid question as the title of the article is hard to come up with. I answer - to protect the interests and security of our country.
    Whom does not suit you, look for a country that will suit you and good riddance.
    1. +4
      7 March 2020 14: 47
      A more stupid question as the title of the article is hard to come up with
      The title of the article, of course, meant not a doubt about the necessity of MTR, but a question of the scope.
      1. +1
        14 March 2020 01: 13
        Quote: CPLCRB-press
        The title of the article, of course, meant not a doubt about the necessity of MTR, but a question of the scope.

        The name itself allowed a double interpretation of the semantic direction of the article.
        Hence this interpretation.
        1. 0
          15 March 2020 02: 47
          The name itself allowed a double interpretation of the semantic orientation
          Sorry if that is so. We tried to choose the most neutral heading that does not cause erroneous interpretations.
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  18. +1
    7 March 2020 10: 45
    That's just interesting, and what service do we have assigned to liquidation abroad?
    And the fact that the results of their work are not visible for a long time. (for some reason, only Yandorbiev comes to mind, but Biletsky not)
    MTR in Syria seems more keen on solving the tasks of the military special forces.
    Although I would, for example, instruct them to destroy Turkish aircraft from duty stations (if it is difficult at the bases)
    1. +1
      7 March 2020 15: 00
      You are serious, that's what they told you. But actually it's time for individuals to arrange Bartholomew’s night, and for some people a day.
  19. -1
    7 March 2020 10: 46
    I would like to hope that the absurd paradigm in which armed people who illegally kidnap and hold our fellow citizens in foreign captivity, we can oppose only notes and petitions, will be changed, and every Russian will know that not only the Foreign Ministry and human rights organizations are behind him , but also a highly professional counter-terrorism unit.

    Here I completely agree with the author, chaos created by citizens of the Russian Federation must be stopped by any means.
    Well, for special units ... They are special for that, which cannot be universal in everything. Someone is better prepared for action in the aquatic environment, someone in the mountains, someone during police operations. to each his own.
    By the way, here is information on one of the most (in my opinion) interesting special units of the now defunct country. Anyone curious, take a look.
    It is a Selous Scouts.
  20. +2
    7 March 2020 13: 01
    The author has dumped everything in a heap. And the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Emergencies, etc. etc. Everyone is confused by the word special (special), we like to call them everything in a row. MTR is primarily scouts and saboteurs. There can be different sabotages, you can crash nuclear power plants and then on this topic, or you can deal with the moral decomposition of the enemy or train and arm (with trophy of course) local "Zulus". Those. damage to the enemy, preferably covertly, and in conditions where no one was declared to each other. What would our representative at the UN say I am not me and not my horse. Hostages, I think this is the last thing. And before the American MTR we are like the moon, they have in fact this is a whole kind of aircraft. Ships, etc. etc. As usual, we are leaving for the heroism of drugs.
    1. +3
      7 March 2020 14: 44
      everything is dumped in a heap. And the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Emergencies
      Where is the Ministry of Emergencies? Hostages are generally not their field of activity.
      It is very nice that the MTR became the next scouts and saboteurs, but the fact that the hostages are "the last" is at the moment, unfortunately, corresponds to reality, but it is very sad.
  21. -4
    7 March 2020 13: 19
    I completely agree. Which state, such and MTR.
    1. +3
      7 March 2020 15: 08
      Careful in the corners, they give their lives for us. Yes, at least as my fellow countryman:

      So bite your tongue, wise guy.
      1. 0
        7 March 2020 15: 24
        Just wondering what does Prokhorenko have to do with MTR? A typical PAN that does not detract from its merits (which, as far as I remember, relates to the VKS) But the guys from the MTR should cover it
        1. +1
          7 March 2020 18: 31
          Quote: Nehist
          Just wondering what does Prokhorenko have to do with MTR?

          The most direct - his photograph is placed in the anniversary calendar of the GRU General Staff along with other prominent Soviet-era intelligence agents. I posted a calendar scan here - his photo on the first page.
          1. -2
            7 March 2020 18: 36
            But he was not a member of the GRU unit. You can attribute his position to the intelligence officer PAN, but he was part of the structure of the air forces
            1. +1
              7 March 2020 18: 59
              Quote: Nehist
              But he was not a member of the GRU unit.

              Why do you think so? Why should the GRU add on other people's merits?
              Quote: Nehist
              You can attribute his position to the intelligence officer PAN, but he was part of the structure of the air forces

              How do you know this? By the way, the videoconferencing system has its own species intelligence, but they never had their own parts of special forces. Where then could they cook them - tell us.
              1. -2
                7 March 2020 19: 21
                Study the MTR structure; it consists of different types of troops, ranging from motorized rifles to dowry forces from the VKS. MTR is not a separate type of unit, but an analogue in the past of a combat tactical group but with strategic and objectives. Otherwise there would be no such rotation of drugs
                1. +1
                  8 March 2020 04: 20
                  From February 2018 to February 2019, the Special Operations Forces of the Armed Forces of Russia were reorganized into a separate branch of the armed forces taking place along with the Airborne Troops and Strategic Missile Forces
                  1. -1
                    8 March 2020 11: 02
                    Oh, how do you turn this nonsense yourself !!! Airborne Forces and RKVSN
                    1. +2
                      8 March 2020 16: 07
                      yes you are not looking at that. the kind of troops is the most important thing. Airborne is just an example of an organization. if you want to make sure, I advise you to look at the new chevrons.


                      the shield became round. this corresponds exactly to the type of troops. like Airborne Forces or RKVSN. and these changes just do not happen with us. no one from the bulldozer would not attach without reason.
      2. 0
        7 March 2020 15: 48
        Yes, at least as my fellow countryman
        This guy was admired even abroad. Remember this, it seems English, family that sobbing their medals sent him?
        But let's try to make sure that such cases are as few as possible and that the losses are not in vain, and the death of each soldier saved the lives of dozens and hundreds of other people.
        I don’t think that the commentator above wanted to insult the fighters, he just didn’t express his critical remark about the misuse of the MTR in the wrong way
  22. +1
    7 March 2020 14: 23
    Quote: CPLCRB-press
    they are used in peacetime and wartime
    The author just sees what is used "in wartime" and considers it harmful and inappropriate. If this was the intention, then the idea itself must be changed. Why the heck would send a surgeon to work in a slaughterhouse.

    And where does the surgeon fill his hand and can gain experience .. ?? And surgeons are first sent to the morgue, although slaughterhouses are sometimes used.
    1. -1
      7 March 2020 15: 50
      And where does the surgeon fill his hand and can gain experience .. ??
      Experience ? Shoot mortars and direct aircraft for bombing? How can this come in handy when releasing hostages taken, for example, at some Russian embassy in Africa?
      1. +1
        7 March 2020 18: 36
        Quote: CPLCRB-press
        How can this come in handy when releasing hostages taken, for example, at some Russian embassy in Africa?

        There are completely different ways for this - for example, in the sixties in one such banana republic, the flight of our two strategic bombers over the capital in the afterburner sufficed, and the entire embassy area was no longer fired at by both sides. In Lebanon in the seventies they promised to send the genitals to the son of a senior terrorist, and our hostages were immediately released. So there are different ways, you just need to be able to use them, and not come up with operations that could end worse than what the Americans had in Iran.
  23. +1
    7 March 2020 14: 27
    Quote: svoit
    That's just interesting, and what service do we have assigned to liquidation abroad?
    And the fact that the results of their work are not visible for a long time. (for some reason, only Yandorbiev comes to mind, but Biletsky not)
    MTR in Syria seems more keen on solving the tasks of the military special forces.
    Although I would, for example, instruct them to destroy Turkish aircraft from duty stations (if it is difficult at the bases)

    Bus with Turkish pilots
  24. -1
    7 March 2020 15: 30
    Another masterpiece of sofa analytics !? Despite the fact that the author is no one to call him, but "there are some conclusions that seem quite obvious" - like - harmful, inexpedient and unpromising, as well as two whole needs. Where is this world heading if there are people seriously discussing such "analytics"?
    1. +1
      7 March 2020 15: 57
      Another masterpiece of sofa analytics !?
      Are there alternative analytical materials? Did you discuss this issue somewhere else? Any counterarguments? - Set out. This article was written to invite discussion. You do not see a problem in the use of anti-terrorist units on the battlefield? - justify why; maybe we are wrong in some ways and missed important aspects; We will be glad to adjust our point of view. We are not here to defend our position (which we do not consider infallible), but to optimize and increase the effectiveness of state power structures.
      1. -1
        7 March 2020 17: 35
        Dear author. You do not much interpret the concept of MTR adopted in the Russian Federation. Above, you have criticized the US MTR. So the MTR of the Russian Federation are arranged exactly the same for one but !!! They have these units that are constantly included in this structure, as indicated above by one of the commentators. MTR of the Russian Federation does not have a permanent composition, but only dowries for a time of one or another unit, as mentioned above, it was also indicated. As for the rescue of the hostages, it really should be a separate unit dealing exclusively with this (the specifics are very different there)
      2. +2
        7 March 2020 18: 38
        Quote: CPLCRB-press
        and to optimize and improve the effectiveness of state power structures.

        Do you take too much on yourself without even basic knowledge of military affairs?
    2. -2
      7 March 2020 22: 54
      Quote: Vovan
      Where is this world heading if there are people seriously discussing such "analytics"?

      Don't put the analytics in quotes, colleague! And do not offend the authors who have done a lot of work to collect and process information. Competent processing and excellent presentation, I must say. And they were not afraid to express their opinion, albeit an unprofessional one. This does not prevent everyone from admitting that there actually is such a problem. The profile of the MTR is a little different from that of "Alpha", which specializes, among others, in the release of hostages. And it doesn't matter which unit will deal with the release of our citizens, but there should be such a unit!
      1. 0
        7 March 2020 23: 56
        Quote: businessv
        And do not offend the authors who have done considerable work on the collection and processing of information.

        Which authors? Last names turn up passwords in the studio! In the meantime, this is not - it is just "Competent processing and perfect presentation" for some unknown purpose. Agitation and Wishlist of different kinds - no more.
      2. 0
        8 March 2020 12: 10
        Quote: businessv
        Slightly the profile of the MTR is not the same as that of "Alpha", which specializes, among others, in the release of hostages.

        By and large, it is not the same at all, and it makes no sense to compare them, at least for the tasks that they had to solve. Let me remind you that in Soviet times, the entire number of "Alpha" was about 200 people, which by army standards is a couple of companies, and no more. And one special forces brigade was about 1200 servicemen in number, and such brigades were in every district, not counting the army's separate companies of the special forces.
        I am citing this so that readers understand that because of its small size, Alpha could not seriously participate in large-scale events that capture a large number of enemy troops in vast territories, and the storming of the palace in Kabul showed that they could not to perform such a brilliant operation. I am not even talking about intelligence support - it was impossible to do without units of the main forces there.
        As they say, Formula 1 cars can’t be used as a city taxi - that’s why you need to understand who is preparing for what and not hang up all tasks on the MTR, no matter how cool they are in terms of preparation.
  25. 0
    7 March 2020 16: 32
    Quote: CPLCRB-press
    Any counterarguments? - Set out.

    To begin with, introduce yourself - who you are, profession, stages of training and places of work with positions, achievements, etc. The people should know the author "by sight".
    1. +1
      7 March 2020 16: 52
      First, introduce yourself
      A team of authors involved in protecting the rights of Russians (and not only Russians) abroad. Among the authors there are those who initiated and promoted a number of amendments to the legislation of the Russian Federation in this area. There are also those who initiated changes in legislation in other countries. Among the authors there are those who have experience in being among the hostages abroad. Almost all (except women) authors have experience in the Navy and Armed Forces, but there are no active military personnel among the authors.
      1. 0
        7 March 2020 18: 40
        Quote: CPLCRB-press
        A team of authors involved in protecting the rights of Russians (and not only Russians) abroad.

        As it was said at the beginning - the author is nobody and cannot call him in any way, and therefore can’t give out anything sensible, surrounding the agitation, by definition.
        1. 0
          8 March 2020 09: 54
          Quote: Vovan
          As it was said at the beginning - the author is nobody and cannot call him in any way, and therefore can’t give out anything sensible, surrounding the agitation, by definition.

          And who are you that categorically express themselves on our forum? You can say the same about you, dear!
          1. 0
            8 March 2020 14: 25
            Quote: businessv
            You can say the same about you, dear!

            It’s impossible, because I’m not promoting the agitation here, hiding behind anonymity.
            1. 0
              8 March 2020 16: 04
              Quote: Vovan
              It’s impossible, because I’m not promoting the agitation here, hiding behind anonymity.
              Well, if you think that such categorical statements are not agitation against what the authors said, then you are mistaken!
              1. 0
                8 March 2020 20: 09
                Quote: businessv
                not an agitation

                Since when is a statement of fact equated with agitation based on its categorical nature?
                Threat logic is resting.
        2. 0
          15 March 2020 02: 54
          author no one and call him nothing
          Do not mind - consider what the robot wrote. Since the article is an analysis and processing of facts (world experience), any homeless person could write it (that is, do purely technical work) - the personality of the author here is as important as the personality of the computer processor.
          1. +1
            15 March 2020 13: 45
            Quote: CPLCRB-press
            Since the article is an analysis and processing of facts (world experience), any homeless person could write it (that is, do purely technical work) - the personality of the author here is as important as the personality of the computer processor.

            But this is already an outright lie, because, under the guise of anonymity, you can carry any nonsense and agitation to the masses, passing it off as "analysis and processing of facts": here the accents are shifted, an owl stretches on the globe, there are Wishlist and so on, so forth. ..
      2. -3
        7 March 2020 21: 15
        A team of authors involved in protecting the rights of Russians (and not only Russians) abroad.

        That is, your goal is the creation and preparation of a special force unit engaged in the liberation of Russians from foreign prison camps?
        Then you will need several units. Too different conditions of detention in different countries.
        Zindan in Idlib is one thing, Bang Kwang in Thailand is another, and completely different is Marion Correctional Prison, where Booth is sitting.
        In the state of Illinois, the most stringent laws on weapons, and you need to storm and heavy. laughing
        1. 0
          8 March 2020 16: 08
          Quote: Arzt
          The state of Illinois has the most stringent laws on weapons, and you will need a heavy assault

          Have any experience? Share ... feel
          1. -3
            8 March 2020 21: 02
            Have any experience? Share ...

            That was sarcasm. Here recently, cockroaches were slightly poisoned, so the whole world was noisy, and a friend was about to open a prison.
            Although Otto Skorzeny ...
            1. 0
              9 March 2020 09: 36
              Quote: Arzt
              It was sarcasm.

              Yes I understand. But comrade, in my opinion, is right. Special units in the form of a kind of "intervention group" are needed by the Russian Federation to one degree or another. Sometimes this is the last hope for the captured Russian citizens. Although it is difficult, it is sometimes possible to open a prison outside the Russian Federation. They themselves wrote:
              Zindan in Idlib is one thing, Bang Kwang in Thailand is another, and completely different is Marion Correctional Prison, where Booth is sitting.
              1. -3
                9 March 2020 10: 14
                Special units in the form of a kind of "intervention group" are needed by the Russian Federation to one degree or another.

                Subdivision up to the brigade, with specific training and selection of l / s by region. North and South Europe, USA and Canada, Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, Asia.
                8 to 10 battalions, plus support - from space to diplomats.
                In short, the bicycle has already been invented - GU GSH is our everything! am
                1. 0
                  9 March 2020 17: 55
                  Quote: Arzt
                  In short, the bicycle has already been invented - GU GSH is our everything!

                  Judging by this "inscription" you just laugh here, well, laughter is not tears, laugh.
                  1. -3
                    9 March 2020 19: 07
                    Judging by this "inscription" you just laugh here

                    Not at all. It just does not make sense to create a separate unit for the release of hostages abroad, it will 90% duplicate the functions of the General Staff, the former GRU.
                    1. -1
                      9 March 2020 20: 26
                      Quote: Arzt
                      , it will 90% duplicate the functions of the General Staff, the former GRU.

                      The former, the main thing here. (Although maybe I don’t know what). My friends served in one of the GRU divisions for an urgent period, the same landing force with enhanced physical training and nothing more. feel But maybe these were not the units you are talking about, here I am not an expert. request
                      1. -3
                        9 March 2020 20: 51
                        But maybe these were not the units you are talking about


                        Your friends served in the district special forces brigades with a limited range for the interests of the military district in a special period (war).

                        For the tasks of releasing hostages in peacetime on the territory of other states, an analogue of deep intelligence units, consisting of officers and ensigns, selected according to external data, physical and psychological parameters for a specific region, will be required. It was planned to throw them in the threatened period with the aim of sabotage at special facilities (nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power stations, etc.) and elimination of high-ranking officials.

                        There have been attempts to revive these units.
                        Article here at VO
                        https://topwar.ru/56178-missiya-vypolnima.html

                        Maybe now they are, who knows ... tongue
                      2. 0
                        9 March 2020 20: 54
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Your friends served in the district special forces brigades with a limited range for the interests of the military district in a special period (war).

                        For the tasks of releasing hostages in peacetime on the territory of other states, an analogue of deep intelligence units, consisting of officers and ensigns, selected according to external data, physical and psychological parameters for a specific region, will be required. It was planned to throw them in the threatened period with the aim of sabotage at special facilities (nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power stations, etc.) and elimination of high-ranking officials.

                        There have been attempts to revive these units.
                        Article here at VO
                        https://topwar.ru/56178-missiya-vypolnima.html

                        So many words and all is air. A footnote on VO is not the best recommendation. tongue
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Maybe now they are, who knows ..

                        That is, you do not know? wink
                      3. -1
                        9 March 2020 21: 20
                        That is, you do not know?

                        No, I do not know. But there used to be.
                        You understand, it’s not even the very possibility of holding an action. An attempt to covertly forcibly liberate Russian citizens on the territory of a developed Western state will bring unacceptable diplomatic complications, and may lead to war.
                        However, I fully admit work on the territory of the third world countries. But even that is very difficult. During the war in Afghanistan, options were considered for the release of our prisoners on the territory of the Pandsher Gorge. They came to the conclusion that the losses would significantly exceed the number of prisoners.
                        Remember even Chechnya. Almost our territory, almost completely controlled, a million people, no diplomatic restrictions.
                        Do you recall many cases of force release? Almost everyone was bought out or changed.

                        So sсsr is right, it's only Rambo, but in the TV series "Homeland" and in the "Bureau of Legends" it rolls.
                        Well, Skorzeny, he’s a hammer, you won’t say anything.
                      4. -1
                        10 March 2020 08: 08
                        Quote: Arzt
                        No, I do not know. But there used to be.
                        You understand, it’s not even the very possibility of holding an action. An attempt to covertly forcibly liberate Russian citizens on the territory of a developed Western state will bring unacceptable diplomatic complications, and may lead to war.
                        However, I fully admit work on the territory of the third world countries. But even that is very difficult. During the war in Afghanistan, options were considered for the release of our prisoners on the territory of the Pandsher Gorge. They came to the conclusion that the losses would significantly exceed the number of prisoners.
                        Remember even Chechnya. Almost our territory, almost completely controlled, a million people, no diplomatic restrictions.
                        Do you recall many cases of force release? Almost everyone was bought out or changed.

                        In principle, I agree with you. But I will support the author, I personally think that such units should be, because you never know what ... They won’t be superfluous. hi
                        Quote: Arzt
                        So sssr rights

                        This is not my authority here, not once ... laughing
                      5. -1
                        10 March 2020 16: 22
                        Quote: Arzt
                        consisting of officers and warrant officers, selected according to external data, physical and psychological parameters for a specific region.

                        For the first time, this was realized in the Special Forces brigade in Maryina Gorka back in the early eighties, where one of the companies was without conscripts.
                        Quote: Arzt
                        It was planned to throw them in the threatened period with the aim of sabotage at special facilities (nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power stations, etc.)

                        Conscripts were also ready for this - they were taught how to find the vulnerabilities of any structure and destroy it with several kilograms of explosives.
                        Quote: Arzt
                        and eliminate dignitaries.

                        It was too difficult to do at the European theater about forty years ago, and even more so now. So it’s hardly necessary to do this at all - it’s easier to destroy the whole country if it threatens us with war.
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            2. -1
              9 March 2020 11: 11
              Quote: Arzt
              and a friend was about to open a prison.

              He had seen enough of the American fighters, and so he created a picture in his head that everything will turn out as it was in the blockbuster.
              1. -1
                9 March 2020 17: 56
                Quote: ccsr
                He’s seen enough American militants

                Here you are not different.
                1. 0
                  9 March 2020 18: 04
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  Here you are not different.

                  What specifically can you formulate, or so, blah blah blah?
                  1. 0
                    9 March 2020 20: 20
                    Quote: ccsr
                    or so, blah blah blah?

                    This is your main occupation at VO. laughing
        2. -1
          15 March 2020 02: 59
          That is, your goal is the creation and preparation of a special force unit engaged in the liberation of Russians from foreign prison camps?
          Of course, there should be narrow specialists in different regions. For example, the Western colleagues of the MTR have special translators used in different countries, as well as a mechanism for using seconded local agents from countries where the operation is planned. If not separate units for each country, then at least an apparatus within the MTR, which will analyze, adjust and adapt operations for each country (taking into account its characteristics), is necessary.
          1. 0
            15 March 2020 10: 31
            Quote: CPLCRB-press
            For example, the Western colleagues of the MTR have special translators used in different countries, as well as a mechanism for using seconded local agents from countries where the operation is planned.

            Instead of ranting, it’s better to name the dozen successful operations of the American special services to free the hostages at least in the last thirty years, so that we understand how effectively what you paint here. And in more detail about how the American special operations forces took part in this, except of course the movie scenarios. So, you can start with the embassy in Iran or with the operation in Mogadishu:
            It turned out that 13 American and 1 Malaysian soldiers were killed, 74 American and 2 Pakistani soldiers were injured, and another 6 were missing. It soon became clear that five of the missing people also died, and Warrant Officer M. Durant was captured by the Somalis. Subsequently, Mike Durant was released, but in any case, the loss of American special forces had a strong demoralizing effect on the military.

            https://topwar.ru/153142-operacija-v-mogadisho-polnyj-proval-amerikanskogo-specnaza.html
          2. 0
            15 March 2020 11: 38
            Of course, there should be narrow specialists in different regions. For example, the Western colleagues of the MTR have special translators used in different countries, as well as a mechanism for using seconded local agents from countries where the operation is planned.


            Translators? Yes, if they wish, whole armies can recruit ethnic immigrants from different countries, not to mention the special services.
            Do you know the name of the previous EU intelligence chief?
            Alafuzov Georgy Borisovich.

            If not separate units for each country, then at least an apparatus within the MTR, which will analyze, adjust and adapt operations for each country (taking into account its characteristics), is necessary.

            This is not enough. The liberation operation will require comprehensive training involving various structures of the entire state, all special services and diplomatic, and if necessary, military cover.
            The assault group is the final chord, they will be prepared on the model of the building in the interior of the country, and they will be informed about the specific place, time and purpose of the operation just before the start.
  26. 0
    7 March 2020 17: 29
    The article is mixed! On the one hand, it is quite deep, since it contains an attempt to comparatively analyze the approaches of various special forces of the leading powers. There is also a worthy idea that insults and humiliations of Russians should be answered not only with notes of protest! Yes! Perhaps in some situations you can show the strength and skills and determination that politicians do not always have!
    But this is a very complicated question! It is thought that in order to free his citizens from the prisons of some countries, you need to have a very effective intelligence system, agents in these countries, otherwise you can get involved even cooler! Lose people! What if special forces are captured in Libya? Not so simple. Take the special forces to give him an order and let's go ... Special forces because this is not an independent tool, it can not do all the work from start to finish! And we think there is no such a powerful intelligence system as in the years of the USSR! And the very idea of ​​liberation is not always the best! Sometimes it's better to go the other way! Arrest someone from those who are needed by the same Libyans, deliver an unexpected blow in another place, but sensitive for those who gave the order for the arrest and so on!
    The author does not fully understand the strategy or philosophy of our state! And it lies in the fact that the sovereignty of states is indisputable![i] [/ i] An attack on the prison of another state is an invasion of this sovereignty! By our actions in Syria, Venezuela we prove it! We represent ourselves as defenders of sovereign states! In contrast to the US, which are the opposite! Even the events in Ukraine show that Russia tried to restrain the Orange Revolution and help maintain the regime of Yanukovych, who was saved as the legitimate president of Ukraine!
    The author of the article does not understand this! He wants us to act as Americans, French and Germans! But he does not understand that Russia considers such a practice to be vicious! As you know, we are for peace, not war!
    To implement our plan, we sell air defense systems to other countries, as it can be used to defend against aggressors, that is, defensive weapons that also play on the image of Russia as a state that respects the sovereignty of other states! And MTRs are needed in order to help restore order to our allies if the enemy uses terrorists that the C300 and shells don’t shoot at! After all, allies need to be reinforced, trained, and more!
    1. 0
      7 March 2020 17: 55
      you need to have a very effective intelligence system

      Well, of course, the MTR should have the necessary support
      Sometimes it's better to go the other way!

      Well, if you can go then why not go?
      There, when they released our hostages in Lebanon, they went, and some people even managed to be released after a month. I am surprised that even among the Palestinians then our undercover positions were rather weak.
      that the sovereignty of states is indisputable!

      You are a little wrong (or not you)
      The sovereignty of our state is indisputable!
      who was saved as the legitimate president of Ukraine!

      I still do not understand - nakoy? How did we use it later?
      that Russia considers such a practice to be vicious!

      But with this exact point of view we must fight, we must learn from those who have success!
      1. +1
        7 March 2020 18: 07
        The sovereignty of our state is indisputable!
        No, I was not mistaken!
        The policy of the Russian Foreign Ministry comes down to the fact that we (Russia) against invading the interests of other countries! At least officially! Read an interview with Lavrov! This thought is obvious! After the collapse of the USSR, we gave the Americans the freedom to do whatever they want and when they finally realized that it wasn’t possible, at the last moment when Syria almost fell and when Kiev almost left us, we started shaking !!
        But with this exact point of view we must fight, we must learn from those who have success!

        Success is a vague concept! It can be momentary or long-term! Americans sow the wind, and reap the Storm! The chaos that they produce is too expensive for them! Do you think that treaties with the Taliban in Afghanistan are from a successful policy ?? I don’t think so! We have a glorious historical past! You need to learn from yourself, but something useful can be learned from others! The author of the article did not understand this, he leads us to the western pipe!
        Russians remove their MTR from Syria, they prevent terrorists from defeating! Engage in the release of those we have arrested here and will still be arrested!
        That's what this song is for! laughing
        1. -5
          7 March 2020 18: 28
          If Lavrov said this in an interview, then it’s time for him to vacate the post of Foreign Minister! All world politics was built and built solely by interference in the interests of others and not allowing interference in their affairs
          1. 0
            7 March 2020 19: 04
            exclusively by intervention
            ! Fu, how rude! This is not our approach! There is a good term Cooperation, cultural and economic ties! Mutually beneficial relationships built on justice and mutual respect!
            1. -1
              7 March 2020 19: 24
              All cooperation in international affairs is always and history has proved it! It boils down to one - Be me a good friend !!! Or shitting a club on the head !!!
          2. 0
            8 March 2020 16: 09
            Quote: Nehist
            If Lavrov said this in an interview, then it’s time for him to vacate the post of Foreign Minister!

            Are you applying for a seat?
      2. +1
        7 March 2020 18: 11
        I still do not understand - nakoy? How did we use it later?

        I think we thought that the situation could turn out differently, that Yanukovych could still be restored, but they were mistaken! it happens!
        1. 0
          7 March 2020 18: 19
          the situation may turn

          She usually turns to where they turn her.
          But the Olympics turned out to be more interesting to watch.
          1. +1
            7 March 2020 18: 26
            Well, did you want to immediately defeat the United States on a white horse, after so many years of collapse? Now there is a long work ahead. Alas!
    2. -1
      8 March 2020 10: 00
      Quote: Alexey G
      But this is a very complicated question! It is thought that in order to free his citizens from the prisons of some countries, you need to have a very effective intelligence system, agents in these countries, otherwise you can get involved even cooler! Lose people!

      The article does not say that this is a simple question and is solved at the click of a finger! And in vain you doubt our intelligence and agents, colleague! And the article also said that the presence of such a unit would discourage many from abducting our citizens! And then, there are many examples of the release of hostages and prisoners without reasoning like yours because there simply are units that are capable of this, as well as political will.
      1. 0
        8 March 2020 12: 22
        Quote: businessv
        And the article also said that the presence of such a unit would discourage many from abducting our citizens!

        Well, did the presence of special forces in the US army strongly influence the capture of the American embassy in Iran? Do not forget that the events on Dubrovka showed that the first thing in such cases, the terrorists bring a huge amount of explosives into the enclosed space, and suicide bombers are ready to destroy everyone. And if on our territory we can somehow liquidate such invaders by using all possible methods, then an attempt to do this on someone else’s territory will turn out to be a big scandal for us, because any country in the world will consider this an encroachment on its sovereignty. But even that is not the point, let us beat them to the fullest and decide to conduct a difficult operation. And here the most difficult question arises for us - the counteraction of the American special services, which will not only inform our opponents, but will do everything to make the operation fail. I hope the story of Yandorbiev showed everyone that our people were arrested on the tip of US intelligence, i.e. this is a fact that does not require special evidence, and I think that we have made the right conclusions in leading circles from this case.
      2. +3
        8 March 2020 12: 39
        Apparently you are a young idealist romantic! Of course, I have no doubt in our intelligence, it is and it works! But! For what the author writes about, something more is needed! In a country where special forces have to act, you need to have your supporters among the locals! Something like the underground, partisans who can shelter people in case of failure of the operation, then we need the latest electronic intelligence system! And we still do not read telegrams in the interests of security! And these two clowns from Salisberry who slept in the same room, and then said they were homosexuals! laughing We are seriously behind the level now needed. We surrendered most of our agents in eastern Europe! Remember the surrender of the Stasi! Yes, you need to work hard to reach the level of the KGB, which was simplified and replaced by the FSB, which practically does not do intelligence abroad, limiting itself to counterintelligence! After the collapse of the USSR, the SVR and the GRU are still far from their former capabilities! For cool intelligence, you need serious money, technology, the presence of support in various countries, a strong economy and much more, which we lack!
        will discourage many from abducting our citizens And then, there are many examples of the release of hostages and prisoners without reasoning like yours because there simply are units that are capable of this, as well as political will.

        And someone can use your naivety to hunt for our special forces, knowing how sentimental you are! And try to break into our territory with the same intentions!
        All this rubbish is just a distraction of the military unit to secondary goals! There are other more effective methods to solve this problem! He wrote about it above in comments!
    3. -1
      9 March 2020 15: 11
      The author does not fully understand the strategy or philosophy of our state! And it lies in the fact that the sovereignty of states is indisputable
      Article 61 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation stipulates that the Russian Federation guarantees its citizens protection and patronage beyond its borders. There are no restrictions on the methods and forms of protection in the Constitution. In the event of attacks on citizens of the Russian Federation, nothing prevents (and illegal seizures and illegal deprivation of liberty is an attack) to apply to the state the methods of symmetrical actions in order to release citizens. Of course compulsory The condition for applying extraordinary measures to free the Russians is their unlawful detention - that is, violating both international standards and the legislation of the country holding them (this is repeatedly mentioned in the article). By the way, the planned amendments to the Constitution, according to which the laws of the Russian Federation take precedence over international law (as well as the recent withdrawal of the Russian Federation from the International Criminal Court), can create problems in this area, since we lose the right to demand from others what we have refused. But then the violation of the internal laws of the countries during the capture of the Russians is all the time. That is, it is quite difficult to consider the violation of the sovereignty of the country the actions of foreign anti-terrorist units that restore the rights of citizens in accordance with the laws and the Constitution of the same country.
    4. 0
      15 March 2020 03: 05
      He wants us to act as Americans, French and Germans! But he does not understand that Russia considers such a practice to be vicious! As you know, we are for peace, not war!
      The author considers the options for responding to an attack, considering it illegal (when this is confirmed) to seize his citizens as an attack, which means a war that we did not start and in which the state must respond accordingly. We are not attacking, but they are attacking us. And this from any point of view justifies mirror measures.
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        15 March 2020 10: 57
        If our citizens are attacked by pirates, this is one thing! But if they are detained by the police by order of the legally elected government, this is different! But even in the first case, your idea is very dangerous and you must act very carefully! Watch the Black Eagle Falls movie about Somalia! You'll like it...
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          21 May 2020 21: 24
          Quote: Alexey G
          If our citizens are attacked by pirates, this is one thing! But if they are detained by the police by order of the legally elected government, this is different! But even in the first case, your idea is very dangerous and you must act very carefully! Watch the Black Eagle Falls movie about Somalia! You'll like it...

          Well, who did not watch this movie)
          With regard to detentions and arrests, we are talking only about illegal actions of such a plan, that is, about detentions without signs of crime (arbitrary arrests). Such "arrests" differ from typical terrorism only by the epithet "state". It should be clearly understood that not everything that legal representatives of the legal authority do is related to the law.
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    7 March 2020 22: 45
    I would like to hope that the absurd paradigm in which armed people who illegally kidnap and hold our fellow citizens in foreign captivity, we can oppose only notes and petitions, will be changed, and every Russian will know that not only the Foreign Ministry and human rights organizations are behind him , but also a highly professional counter-terrorism unit.
    An excellent analytical article with an excellent selection of videos of excellent quality about the material under discussion! I am sure that 90% of our citizens will even agree with Chicherina, not to mention the opinion of more respected military experts, who even say that the use of MTRs in hostilities is simply criminal, due to the highest qualification of the unit’s fighters.
  29. +1
    8 March 2020 02: 01
    Quote: CPLCRB-press
    And where does the surgeon fill his hand and can gain experience .. ??
    Experience ? Shoot mortars and direct aircraft for bombing? How can this come in handy when releasing hostages taken, for example, at some Russian embassy in Africa?

    Gunpowder to smell it is a good experience, and it is only in a real battle and not a training ground. In addition to guiding the aircraft, and this, by the way, is a very difficult matter, or firing from a mortar, there are other trainings that will come in handy .. As an example, the elimination of checkpoints, roadblocks, gatherings of barmalei ..
    1. -1
      8 March 2020 16: 49
      Gunpowder to smell it is a good experience, and it is only in a real battle and not a training ground
      Certainly, certain positive experience is gained there. But, unfortunately, negative experience is also gained. For example, neglecting random victims and indiscriminate firing is not the kind of experience a counterterrorism unit needs.
  30. +1
    8 March 2020 13: 42
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    To carry out tasks abroad, there is accumulated experience and VIMPEL divisions.
    Do not confuse the Soviet "Pennant" and the current one! Completely different divisions, both in terms of tasks and personnel. sad
  31. 0
    8 March 2020 16: 18
    Quote: CommanderDIVA
    all this constitutes state secrets and is protected by the state, so there is no point in writing an article about our MTRs without reliable sources on this subject
    At the end of the article there is a remark that the article cannot claim full objectivity due to the fact that part of the information is closed. Therefore, only those facts that were known were subjected to critical analysis.
  32. -2
    8 March 2020 16: 39
    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: CPLCRB-press
    and to optimize and improve the effectiveness of state power structures.

    Do you take too much on yourself without even basic knowledge of military affairs?

    Do you think that only a policeman can criticize the militia, only a tax inspector is indignant at taxes, and only a Chinese can doubt the quality of Chinese goods? The article does not address issues that are the exclusive competence of the military. Public criticism and control over the actions of law enforcement agencies will always be negatively perceived by the professional military and police, but they have always been and will be.
    1. 0
      8 March 2020 18: 45
      Quote: CPLCRB-press
      Do you think that only a policeman can criticize the militia, only a tax inspector is indignant at taxes, and only a Chinese can doubt the quality of Chinese goods?

      You can criticize anything, but for criticism to be constructive, you must at least study the very subject of criticism, and not build it on your own illusions as it should be, according to your imagination.
      Quote: CPLCRB-press
      Public criticism and control over the actions of law enforcement agencies will always be negatively perceived by the professional military and police, but they have always been and will be.

      And this gives you the right to decide what the MTR should do as part of the country's armed forces only on the basis of your illiteracy in military affairs? Do not tell my slippers ...
      1. 0
        9 March 2020 00: 22
        And this gives you the right to decide what the MTR should do as part of the country's armed forces only on the basis of your illiteracy in military affairs?
        Exactly. Any citizen of the country has the right and must demand that his taxes be used most effectively and require the optimization of measures to ensure the safety of citizens. Note - the authors had the mind not to get into the sphere of exclusive competence of the military, and the issues discussed mainly concern the scope of the MTR outside the combat zone. It is strange that you consider the analysis of world experience and the conclusions and suggestions made on its basis as illusions and fantasies.
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          9 March 2020 11: 09
          Quote: CPLCRB-press
          Exactly. Any citizen of the country has the right and must demand that his taxes be used most effectively and require the optimization of measures to ensure the safety of citizens.

          Maybe you will also demand from the doctor who is carrying out the emergency operation that he should report to his relatives in everything why and why he performs certain actions on the patient’s body?
          So it is possible to reach insanity, that is why it is better to be treated by a professional, and not by a popularizer of medical services from the magazine "Health".
          1. -1
            9 March 2020 14: 44
            Maybe you and the doctor who is conducting an emergency operation will demand that he report on everything
            Well, excesses happen everywhere and this is the flip side of the coin. But yes, yes - I want medicine to have a certain degree of public control. Wouldn’t it be preferable for you to go to a doctor who did not practice at a veterinary clinic and who knows the cost of medical error for his career. Let me remind you that the MTR was born under Serdyukov, who was not a regular military officer, but formed into a full-fledged capable unit under Shoigu, who also never was a regular military officer. I will not remind you that in a heap of countries of the world the defense ministers continue to remain civilian and this experience is very successful. By the way, the National Anti-Terrorism Committee of the Russian Federation more than half consists of civilians.
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              9 March 2020 16: 39
              Quote: CPLCRB-press
              Let me remind you that the MTR was born under Serdyukov, who was not a regular soldier,

              Serdyukov had nothing to do with this at all - events after the collapse of the USSR pushed the creation of the MTR, and this was the beginning of the birth of the idea of ​​having such connections.
              Quote: CPLCRB-press
              and formed into a full-fledged capable unit under Shoigu, who also never was a regular military officer.

              And Shoigu had nothing to do with this - he only signed what was poured into his ears.
              And after such statements, do you want professionals to seriously consider your fantastic ideas?
              Quote: CPLCRB-press
              By the way, the National Anti-Terrorism Committee of the Russian Federation more than half consists of civilians.

              Well, then leave the civilians to release Bout from an American prison, or to release our sailors from Somali captivity - the flag is in your hands.
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                9 March 2020 23: 50
                Serdyukov had nothing to do with this
                Sorry, but this information is taken from a number of official sources.
                And Shoigu had nothing to do with this - he only signed what was poured into his ears.
                Again, infa from official sources in the public domain.
                Well, then drop the civilians to free Bout from an American prison
                If someone will throw the military to release civilians, then it will definitely not be military. Thank God so far the issues of the scope (geography) of the use of aircraft outside the Russian Federation are not decided by the Moscow Region. The armed forces work for society and the state, respectively, society and state institutions determine where and in what conditions to apply them (of course, the voice of the Ministry of Defense in these matters is slightly higher in status than deliberative). As for the Somali pirates, the fight against them and the release of the hostages are carried out with the sanction of the UN and with the good of the Russian Foreign Ministry, which requested permission from the Somali government for this.
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                  10 March 2020 16: 03
                  Quote: CPLCRB-press
                  Sorry, but this information is taken from a number of official sources.

                  You still say that it was Serdyukov who created the regular army, and not Peter the Great.
                  Quote: CPLCRB-press
                  Thank God so far the issues of the scope (geography) of the use of aircraft outside the Russian Federation are not decided by the Moscow Region.

                  That's why you so famously indicate what the military should do, because you don’t know why the army is being prepared.
                  Quote: CPLCRB-press
                  As for the Somali pirates, the fight against them and the release of the hostages are carried out with the sanction of the UN and with the good of the Russian Foreign Ministry, which requested permission from the Somali government for this.

                  But you don’t find that our military budget does not plan the costs of ensuring the safety of shipowners - let them hire PMCs or other similar companies at their own expense to accompany their cargoes. Why do we have to pay for their safety - do you even think what you are offering?
                  1. 0
                    10 March 2020 19: 29
                    That's why you so famously indicate what the military should do, because you don’t know why the army is being prepared.
                    You are absolutely right - the authors of the article belong to the very civil majority of the country (and the planet) who invented the army, endowed it with the necessary functions and put it at their service. Because of this, the authors consider themselves in the right to express the interests of this majority and determine what the army should do.
                    And you do not find that our military budget does not plan the costs of ensuring the safety of shipowners
                    Fair remark. If the budget is not enough, then the state’s task is to provide this budget. Including for this, the Ministry of Defense needs interaction with other ministries and departments. If shipowners feel the need for help from the MTR, and the Ministry of Defense is ready to help, but does not have enough resources for this, then of course the military has the right to raise relevant financial issues with the executive and legislative branches. New realities require new budgets.
                    1. 0
                      10 March 2020 19: 38
                      Quote: CPLCRB-press
                      Because of this, the authors consider themselves in the right to express the interests of this majority and determine what the army should do.

                      Have not tried your "majority" to give instructions to an experienced surgeon during the operation - can you start with the doctors?
                      There was one such "great specialist" in medicine, a certain Zurabov - ask the doctors what memory this representative of the "majority" left about himself in our medicine.
                      Quote: CPLCRB-press
                      If the budget is not enough, then the state’s task is to provide this budget.

                      By the way, we have a budget surplus for 2019, but this is not a reason to spend surpluses on any whim.
                      Quote: CPLCRB-press
                      New realities require new budgets.

                      Do sanity in budget spending exclude new realities?
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                        15 March 2020 03: 16
                        can you start with the doctors?
                        Why do we start? - Let's continue! Areas of medicine, budgets for medicine, staff qualifications, training for health workers and even the prevention of coronavirus are primarily not done by doctors at all. Doctors only fulfill the social order of the civil majority.
                        this is not a reason to spend surplus on any whim
                        I assure you that most Russians do not consider their safety during foreign trips and business trips to be a greater whim than the war in Syria.
                        And sanity in budget spending doesn’t exclude new realities
                        Demand sanity! Logic, balance, soundness, and sanity.
                      2. 0
                        15 March 2020 10: 23
                        Quote: CPLCRB-press
                        Why do we start? - Let's continue!

                        The orderly? I wish you success in mastering this profession.
                        Quote: CPLCRB-press
                        I assure you that most Russians do not consider their safety during foreign trips and business trips to be a greater whim than the war in Syria.

                        Even more Russians believe that any fools who do not listen to the advice of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs not to visit certain regions of the world should not be rescued by special operations, after they, by their stupidity, have stuck in the history of hostages. For this, the efforts of diplomats are enough, and no more.
                      3. 0
                        15 March 2020 16: 52
                        For this, the efforts of diplomats are enough, and no more
                        It would be great if that were so. Unfortunately, neither in Greece, nor in Libya, nor in the USA, these efforts so far help. And even if someone is released after 5 years, it is difficult to consider a victory of diplomacy - people's lives are almost flushed down the toilet, and Russia often loses very valuable specialists, which harms the economy. Terrorists who know that they will be fought with exclusively diplomatic methods feel completely safe.
                        Unfortunately, troubles also occur in those countries that are not listed by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs as dangerous.
                        But fools also need to be saved - until a law has been passed on the deprivation of citizenship for manifestation of stupidity, they still remain our citizens and can count on the protection laid down by them under the constitution. Blaming an innocent person who has become a hostage in a dysfunctional country for his own idiocy is not much wiser than blaming the rape victim for blaming herself because she put on a short skirt and went to a disco.
                      4. +1
                        15 March 2020 17: 34
                        Quote: CPLCRB-press
                        Unfortunately, neither in Greece, nor in Libya, nor in the USA, these efforts so far help.

                        There is nothing for cyber crooks to travel around the resorts or shuffle to Libya, where the war is on - you have to stay at home, once you participated in criminal activity.
                        Quote: CPLCRB-press
                        And fools also need to be saved

                        Why on account of taxpayers? Let them create an insurance fund for extreme sports enthusiasts, where they will make deductions according to the degree of risk, and at their expense they will be pulled out from there by various PMCs.
                        Quote: CPLCRB-press
                        Blaming an innocent person who has become a hostage in a dysfunctional country in his own idiocy is not much wiser,

                        Why on earth do you think I have to pay for his stupidity if the Foreign Ministry warns of the dangers of such trips?
                        Quote: CPLCRB-press
                        than blaming the rape victim for blaming herself because she put on a short skirt and went to a disco.

                        Typical demagoguery - this example does not work in Saudi Arabia, where such women are simply stoned. There will be more sane reasons why we should help those who put on the warnings of the Foreign Ministry?
            2. -1
              9 March 2020 20: 11
              that the MTR was born under Serdyukov, who was not a military man

              On the contrary. Serdyukov nearly killed the most combat-ready special forces - GRU special forces. After the event of Vladimir Vasilievich Kvachkov, some comrades decided that we did not need the reconnaissance and sabotage subunits as part of the RF Armed Forces, there were even thoughts that one service would cope with over-the-top intelligence.
              But when the "Arab Spring" and especially the Kiev Maidan began, it turned out that it was not enough to be able to drink a liter of whiskey at a diplomatic reception, you still need to have agents among the scum, and sometimes run around with a machine gun without sweating. They realized it, but those who had and were able to remain a little, had to quickly recruit a lot of young people, so the connection between generations was slightly interrupted. Hence, some clumsy in the actions. It's okay to be polished, the school remains.
              1. +1
                10 March 2020 16: 32
                Quote: Arzt
                On the contrary. Serdyukov nearly killed the most combat-ready special forces - GRU special forces.

                That was exactly so - under Serdyukov, the GRU suffered such losses that they can be compared with what Beria did on the eve of the war with military intelligence.
                Quote: Arzt
                After the event of Vladimir Vasilievich Kvachkov, some comrades decided that we did not need reconnaissance and sabotage units as part of the RF Armed Forces,

                I think he was specially framed by those who wanted to crush the MTR in our country, and then it is clear why this outstanding commando was removed.
                Quote: Arzt
                It’s okay to polish, the school has remained.

                Of course, it will recover - it is now clear that in some places we will have to fight in the future, and it is possible that in the former post-Soviet republics. Therefore, we need new personnel who can master the experience of the past and apply it in the current realities.
  33. 0
    9 March 2020 05: 40
    I, as a layman and honest taxpayer, really and "... finally got confused in the countless number of special forces born and disappearing." Maybe one of us will be more than enough? There are a lot of special forces, but what's the point. Like in Krylov’s fable about a swan, cancer and a pike.
  34. 0
    18 March 2020 19: 27
    The process has begun.
    It is proposed to amend the Constitution of the Russian Federation to protect Russians abroad
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5adcce3e2f578c346a9d2912/predlojeno-vnesti-popravki-v-konstituciiu-rf-dlia-zascity-rossiian-za-rubejom-5e7247adf51e694667a03734
    TFR resumed the case of abduction of pilot Yaroshenko by US intelligence agencies
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5adcce3e2f578c346a9d2912/skr-vozobnovil-delo-o-pohiscenii-amerikanskimi-specslujbami-letchika-iaroshenko-5e7117b5e5fa715ea911a494

    Legal framework in preparation. Now it is up to the implementation of a mechanism to protect the rights of Russians and to catch the guilty. So far, only MTR can be considered as such a mechanism and tool for implementing the plan.
    1. 0
      April 7 2020 18: 50
      Quote: CPLCRB-press
      The process has begun.

      The process doesn’t quite go that way, and V.V.Kvachkov talks about it in detail in an interview
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12EopZAmB6M&app=desktop
      1. 0
        April 22 2020 04: 48
        With all due respect to merit ... Kvachkov is something having little to do with modern reality and common sense. Let us respect the age and length of service of this person, but let us leave him alone.
        1. 0
          April 22 2020 10: 48
          Quote: CPLCRB-press
          Kvachkov is something that has little to do with modern reality and common sense.

          I strongly disagree with you, if only because he retained a sound mind, and if not everyone likes his views on some political processes in the country, then his theoretical developments regarding special operations forces have found full understanding and implementation in the current army. Why do you think that he was mistaken, or now something has radically changed in the practice of creating and applying MTR?
          1. 0
            20 May 2020 19: 04
            Quote: ccsr
            Quote: CPLCRB-press
            Kvachkov is something that has little to do with modern reality and common sense.

            Why do you think that he was mistaken, or now something has radically changed in the practice of creating and applying MTR?

            Without disputing his merits in theoretical developments, let us assume that indeed some things have changed radically. And it's not only about technical aspects, but also about shifting priorities. For example, such a concept as "at any cost" is a dangerous anachronism for civil society. Now the preservation of lives is not even becoming a priority in relation to political goals, but the political goal itself (human life and freedom are the highest value). Accordingly, this introduces significant adjustments to the strategy and tactics of using the MTR. And this is absolutely correct.
            1. +1
              21 May 2020 12: 10
              Quote: CPLCRB-press
              For example, such a concept as "at any cost" is a dangerous anachronism for civil society.

              In military affairs, this is not an anachronism, especially when the question is about the salvation of their comrades.

              Quote: CPLCRB-press
              Now saving lives is not even becoming a priority in relation to political goals, but rather to the political goal itself (human life and freedom are the highest value).

              I have no doubt, all the more it became noticeable in the operation in Syria when they refused to use motorized rifle units.
              Quote: CPLCRB-press
              Accordingly, this makes significant adjustments to the strategy and tactics of the use of MTR. And this is absolutely correct.

              But this is fundamentally wrong, if only because the MTR servicemen have very few chances to survive during operations, and this was already known when creating special forces units in the USSR.
  35. 0
    19 May 2020 14: 33
    But what happens when, instead of the competent work of the MTR, aviation is engaged in the release of hostages.
    Russian aviation bombed an al-Qaeda prison (a banned organization in the Russian Federation), killing 52 prisoners. But you could do everything clearly, smoothly and with minimal losses. https://jornalggn.com.br/asia-oriente/ataque-russo-contra-prisao-na-al-qaeda-deixa-81-mortos-na-siria/