The T-90M "Breakthrough" tank will be shown for the first time at the Victory Parade in Moscow

The T-90M "Breakthrough" tank will be shown for the first time at the Victory Parade in Moscow

The Russian T-90M "Breakthrough" tank will be shown for the first time to the general public at the Victory Parade, which will be held on May 9, 2020 on Moscow Red Square. This was reported by TASS with reference to a source in the military-industrial complex.


According to the source Tanks T-90M "Breakthrough" will participate in the Victory Parade. He recalled that the state tests of the tank have already been completed and in the near future the tanks will begin to enter the Russian army.

T-90M tanks this year will be presented for the first time at the Victory Parade in a column of military equipment

- the agency leads the words of the source.

In mid-February of this year, the head of Uralvagonzavod Alexander Potapov confirmed that the supply of T-90M tanks would begin in 2020, but refused to answer the question about the number of tanks that the Ground Forces would receive under the contract, stating that this information was not for wide distribution.

Earlier it was reported that the tests of the newest Russian tank T-90M "Breakthrough" were successfully completed, the timing and volume of serial deliveries of tanks to the troops will be determined by the Ministry of Defense. It is also known that funds for the purchase of T-90M tanks have already been allocated, the delivery of serial vehicles is expected in 2020.

Last year, the media repeatedly flashed information that the first batch of incoming T-90M weapons could be at least a battalion set.

The T-90М tank was developed as part of the Breakthrough-3 development work and is a deep modernization of the T-90 with increased combat and operational characteristics.

In the course of modernization, a new turret module with a 90-mm gun of increased survivability and accuracy was installed on the T-125M. A remote-controlled machine gun installation caliber 12,7-mm is installed on the turret. In addition, the new tank is equipped with a highly automated digital fire control system that provides search, recognition, auto-tracking and hitting targets.
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  1. Aerodrome 6 March 2020 14: 36 New
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    The T-90M "Breakthrough" tank will be shown for the first time at the Victory Parade in Moscow
    Today, 14: 32
    T72:? wow! dv really is not funny who sees 72 there ... models .. "fit" already ... in the series.
    1. Maz
      Maz 6 March 2020 14: 49 New
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      And how is the t90m different from the t90? There is data on it
      TTX in the internet?
      1. Grigory_45 6 March 2020 16: 37 New
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        Quote: Maz
        And how is the t90m different from the t90?

        1. The tower. A part of the ammunition stow has been moved to the aft niche, the Kalina fire control system has been installed, the installation of the 2A82-1M gun has been announced
        2. The reservation scheme has been changed. The relict dynamic protection and anti-fragmentation lining are installed.
        3. air conditioning and APU installed
        4. announced the installation of GOP MP (control levers replaced by a helm of the BMP-3 type)
        1. Mazuta 7 March 2020 20: 14 New
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          And "announced", how is it? Are these dreams or have they already been set?
          1. Grigory_45 7 March 2020 21: 53 New
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            Quote: Mazuta
            And "announced", how is it?

            then they promised to deliver
            Quote: Mazuta
            Are these dreams or have they already been set?

            we learn this by seeing photos of the aircraft transferred to the aircraft.
            Although, from all of the above, the confusion is really only on the cannon. They can deliver from Almaty, or maybe, due to cheapness, leave 2A46
        2. seregarodionov 8 March 2020 10: 57 New
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          and m and w forgot again?
      2. svp67 6 March 2020 16: 41 New
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        Quote: Maz
        And how is the t90m different from the t90? There is data on it
        TTX in the internet?

        Full ...

        Here is its export version run in the desert of Kuwait

        Well, here a little bit, we already have
        1. Fidel 7 March 2020 12: 10 New
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          https://vpk.name/library/f/mango.html

          The Mango shell was widely distributed in the Russian army, and was also exported complete with Russian and Ukrainian T-80U / T-80UD and T-90 tanks, delivered abroad in recent decades.


          Features:

          The length of the active part of the projectile - 574 mm
          The weight of the active part without a master is 4850 g.
          The standard penetration depth from 2000 m is normal 900 mm, at an angle of 60 ° - 560 mm
          The average penetration depth from 2000 m along the normal is 1000 mm of steel.

          Mr. Alkonafter, as always, lies in the characteristics of domestic armored vehicles and ammunition. In the direction of lowering the real characteristics. I noticed this for a long time with this strip. Also with regards to guided missiles and its characteristics. The same applies to the active protection of the T-90M, which supposedly "will not be."
          But the "alleged" and "possible" devices for the armored vehicles of the "partners" are presented as almost serial. The infamous tipok.
    2. Piramidon 6 March 2020 14: 55 New
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      Quote: Aerodrome
      The T-90M "Breakthrough" tank will be shown for the first time at the Victory Parade in Moscow
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      T72:? wow! dv really is not funny who sees 72 there ... models .. "fit" already ... in the series.

      Some kind of incomprehensible set of letters, signs and symbols. Articulate write is not fate? Or, if only in the forefront to rumble on the clave? A gold champion for the “first place” in the comments will not be given to you anyway. hi
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    3. 1976AG 6 March 2020 14: 58 New
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      Well, like the T-72 and T-90M are very different. If you look, you will see the differences.
      1. 210ox 6 March 2020 15: 05 New
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        I understand that the ammunition was carried out.
        1. svp67 6 March 2020 16: 45 New
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          Quote: 210ox
          I understand that the ammunition was carried out.

          Not mechanized ... previously placed shells and charges were removed from the case.
          But I can assume that with the next modernization, a completely “normal” crazy MZ may also appear there. This is the favorite thing of our UVZ, to issue a modernization of "an hour per teaspoon"
          1. Mazuta 7 March 2020 20: 10 New
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            Do you think “crazy MZ” a panacea ?!
            And if in a year, two or three, after the next sep. v ... have to increase the size of the BPS? what
            The favorite thing of our UVZ is to produce products for which money is paid ...
            Don't you think that the “speed of modernization” depends not only on UVZ ?!
            (I did not think that I would have to sign up for lawyers) repeat
            1. svp67 7 March 2020 21: 45 New
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              Quote: Mazuta
              And if in a year, two or three, after the next sep. v ... have to increase the size of the BPS?

              The "crazy MZ" has problems with long shells.
              1. Mazuta 8 March 2020 19: 36 New
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                Why's that?!!!
                1. svp67 8 March 2020 19: 39 New
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                  Quote: Mazuta
                  Why's that?!!!

                  And how is it limited there? Nothing, unlike the limited width of the armored hull of the "rotating conveyor" AZ
                  1. Mazuta 10 March 2020 18: 01 New
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                    The dimensions of a crazy niche ...
                    "Size always matters."
                2. Mazuta 8 March 2020 19: 42 New
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                  If again on the "next cycle of modernization", then maybe so ...
                  But you can “push in the non-pushable” to a certain limit ...
                3. Mazuta 8 March 2020 20: 27 New
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                  And the T-90, as the T-62 you do not consider a dead end development? Why?!!
                  1. svp67 9 March 2020 06: 16 New
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                    Quote: Mazuta
                    And the T-90, as the T-62 you do not consider a dead end development? Why?!!

                    The T-90 still has development potential, and the T-44,54,55,62 scheme has it all, exhausted
                    1. Mazuta 10 March 2020 18: 34 New
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                      I’m not getting used to the chat ... damn, I wrote, wrote and all the hell ....
                      Adversary "finally can not bother with the scheme" -
                      I rolled up the seventh skating rink, Negro, I’m sorry, the African American is a little later, and the curtain is like 4 in the cupboard ... Know, drag it until you overcharge ...
                      With such a "huge epaulet", as in 62-ke, where a unitary shot was manually charged, and then the sleeve was spat out
                      (correct if I lied, I can ...)
                      there was no potential? !!
                      Put at least a crazy MZ, at least an extra tower ...
                      1. svp67 10 March 2020 18: 44 New
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                        Quote: Mazuta
                        there was no potential? !!

                        Alas ... The tank’s weight was close to 40 tons, the installation of a 125-mm gun would add five more tons, since it would have to increase the tower’s overhead when using a unit, such a unitary ammunition would be very heavy, and using a separate artillery shot would reduce the rate of fire, so the choice of mechanization of the combat station was predetermined. We have half of the tank’s ammunition capacity, these are high-grade high-explosive shells. And they are heavy. If you watch the video of shooting from Western tanks, where they quickly and famously load the cannon, you can see that they use BOPS (armor-piercing feathered sub-caliber projectile), this is the lightest of the shells used by the tank, therefore the loading speed is such. Leave them charging a full-fledged OFS at a fast pace, 100% that their charging speed will immediately sag
                      2. Mazuta 11 March 2020 07: 14 New
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                        There is no need to increase the epaulet, that's for sure! Because nowhere to go!
                        I won’t argue about five tons. Though-
                        3,5 (39,5-36) this difference is given by the tower, the hull and the bk (to a lesser extent the gun).
                        Sq. Hangs OF26 I am in the know ...
                        I’m not going to agitate for the refusal of "mechanization of the combat unit"
                    2. Mazuta 10 March 2020 19: 17 New
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                      about the potential of the T-90 ...
                      Not a good life niche appeared. And the log on board ...
                      But the dimension of the case remained, alas, "without modernization."
                      God forbid, if I'm wrong ...
                      Look at the m / v hatch, VLD and the sloth case and compare with 72 ...
                      His tower is magnificent ("cats" envy), but why are the lower containers of the airborne landing so located?
                      What does she look like ?! You often recall this product, I am also very sorry for it ...
                      About VT (rotating conveyor):
                      Of course, the sides and redan are not rubber, but even here, on the site, a friend posted a picture (in my opinion, about an article in a Polish magazine). Alas, she did not seem interesting to anyone ...
                      “The condition of the neighborhood” is there, almost like the satellites in the planet.
                      But the epaulette ... t-62 I did not just remember.
          2. Grigory_45 7 March 2020 22: 00 New
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            Quote: Mazuta
            Do you think “crazy MZ” a panacea ?!
            And if in a year, two or three, after the next sep. v ... have to increase the size of the BPS?

            when the ammunition is located in the aft recess of the turret, the size of the shot is not so critical than when placing the ammunition under the BO polikom. Those. it can be increased almost seamlessly. For example, I’m sure that if a gun of increased power is placed on the T-90M and loaded with promising shots to it, then it is precisely in a non-mechanized laying in the aft niche.
            1. Salty 7 March 2020 22: 24 New
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              Quote: Gregory_45
              when the ammunition is located in the aft recess of the tower, the size of the shot is not so critical than when placing the ammunition under the polycom

              This is true, it is not entirely clear why this is necessary.

              Quote: Gregory_45
              I’m sure that if a gun of increased power is placed on the T-90M and loaded with promising shots to it, then it is precisely in a non-mechanized laying in the aft niche

              I wonder how these shots will fall into the cannon if they cannot fit in the MOH.
              1. Grigory_45 7 March 2020 22: 30 New
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                Quote: SaltY
                This is true, it is not entirely clear why this is necessary.

                promising shots (of the Vacuum family 900 mm long) in the MZ of T-72/90 tanks do not fit

                Quote: SaltY
                I wonder how these shots will hit the cannon.

                manual loading. Let it be for now.
                1. Salty 7 March 2020 22: 41 New
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                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  manual loading. Let it be for now

                  So, let's take a closer look. We have a shell in the stowage, a charge - it doesn’t matter where, albeit in the Ministry of Health. The task is to charge.
                  They ran to the stern after the shell, handed it to the man who charged it, shoves it into the gun (uncomfortable !!), how long it was short, but stuffed, put the charge in, a shot !!!
                  And - the second iteration ...
                  Somehow everything is very difficult, do not you think? I’m just silent about the rate of fire, it’s nothing ... do you have a not so perverted version of actions, is this categorically unsuitable for battle?
                  1. Grigory_45 7 March 2020 22: 49 New
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                    Charging the same as on foreign tanks, Abrams or Leopard. With the only difference being that the bottom is unitary, we have separate. And the rate of fire depends not only and so much on the pace of the MOH or the loader, but on the gunner of the operator. In addition, as he said, this measure is still temporary. For good, you need a new MOH and complete removal of the BC from the BO
                    1. Salty 7 March 2020 22: 53 New
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                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      Charging the same as on foreign tanks, Abrams or Leopard

                      I only saw these tanks in the movies, but the places are there, as in a room. And in ours - only to sit in its place, a little cowering. It will not work in the T-90 “as foreign”, it is crowded there and inconvenient. And I didn’t ask about this out of love for art, but because I can slightly imagine what kind of sekas it was — manually loading a fool under a meter T-90 in length. laughing

                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      And the rate of fire depends not only and so much on the pace of the MOH or loader, but on the operator’s gunner

                      Oh well ... no.
                    2. Grigory_45 8 March 2020 09: 36 New
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                      Quote: SaltY
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      And the rate of fire depends not only and so much on the pace of the MOH or loader, but on the operator’s gunner

                      Oh well ... no.

                      well yes. The MZ loading cycle of the same T-90 of later releases is 7 seconds. The gunner may need much more time (from getting the command to the firing of a shot), especially for a moving target and a moving tank.
                      Do not confuse the technical rate of fire and the practical rate of fire - the second is always lower, and noticeable.
                    3. Salty 8 March 2020 09: 45 New
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                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      The gunner may need much more time (from receiving the command to the firing of the shot)

                      Well, no. Projectile selection and loading after determination of the target and target designation to the gunner. After charging the time, the gunner needs only as much as it takes to combine the square with the target and press a couple of buttons.

                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      especially on a moving target and from a moving tank

                      Tanks fire a direct shot, the distance is usually “pistol”, the target moves or stands still, in this case it is almost indifferent. The gun on the stabilizer, whether the car is moving or not, is also practically indifferent, unless, of course, it goes along the "tank road" (it has a Japanese name, Toyama-Tokanawa) ... well, nobody canceled the "short" one laughing And as for manual loading, and a meter bandura, and in motion - here I have big doubts ...
                    4. svp67 8 March 2020 19: 54 New
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                      Quote: SaltY
                      And as for manual loading, and a meter bandura, and in motion - here I have big doubts ...

                      And how it was done before the T-64 on our tanks ... especially on the T-62. You can’t say that it’s a great pleasure, the “ballet” is still one, but it’s quite feasible
                    5. Salty 8 March 2020 20: 09 New
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                      And how it was done before the T-64 on our tanks ... especially on the T-62

                      So there everything was imprisoned for manual loading. And here you are not here, it is crowded and uncomfortable laughing
                    6. Grigory_45 8 March 2020 20: 53 New
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                      Quote: SaltY
                      And here you are not here, it is crowded and uncomfortable

                      Yes, it’s cramped and inconvenient, the ammunition shell is pushed all over the tank (if we are talking about the T-72/90), but still feasible. With the raising of the prayers of such a mother and with a drop in rate of fire to 1 round per minute.
                      As far as I know, experienced tankers did not replenish non-mechanized laying at all - they went without it. The sense of it in combat conditions is zero.
                      The legs grow, as always, from the incorrect demands of the representatives of the Moscow Region - they certainly wanted the tank to have at least 40 rounds of ammunition. So it was necessary to shove something that did not fit into the carousel literally throughout the tank - you know this better than me.
                    7. Salty 8 March 2020 20: 58 New
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                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      you know it better than me

                      Is not a fact. But you definitely know better than me how to manually push a 90-cm "scrap" in the T-90 into a gun. I can’t imagine such a thing, my imagination refuses.
                    8. Grigory_45 8 March 2020 21: 04 New
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                      Quote: SaltY
                      AK 90-cm "scrap" in the T-90 manually into the gun

                      in 2A46 you don’t cram it. It was a different weapon (re-read the comments). Manual loading is possible, although with ballet elements
                    9. Salty 8 March 2020 21: 07 New
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                      It was a different weapon (re-read the comments)

                      Yes? Blame, did not notice, re-read.
                    10. Mazuta 10 March 2020 19: 25 New
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                      under "increased power" we need another epaulet.
                2. Mazuta 10 March 2020 19: 23 New
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                  finally!!!!!!! Someone remembered about MO !!!!!!
                  if I could, I would put ten pluses ...
              2. svp67 9 March 2020 06: 17 New
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                And here you are not here, it is crowded and uncomfortable

                Also "reclining" ... yes
            2. Mazuta 10 March 2020 19: 22 New
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              So you remembered the T -62! with a kind word ... repeat
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      "... how much from the operator’s gunner ..." Really?
    5. Salty 8 March 2020 09: 49 New
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      Quote: Qas
      "... how much from the operator’s gunner ..." Really?

      Man theorizes don't bother laughing
  2. svp67 8 March 2020 19: 51 New
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    Quote: Gregory_45
    Charging the same as on foreign tanks, Abrams or Leopard.

    What is it like? The mechanic jumped to the stern, took out the shell - handed it to the commander, he drove it manually into the chamber, at that moment the mechanic takes out the charge, gives it to the commander, he loads the gun with them, the mechanic takes his place, the commander removes the gun from the stopper, the gunner makes a tip and fires a shot, after which the cycle repeats and all this is under enemy fire ... Do you understand all the idiocy of the situation? These shells are applicable only to the "MZ-Frenzied"
    Quote: Gregory_45
    And the rate of fire depends not only and so much on the pace of the MOH or loader, but on the operator’s gunner

    You are wrong right now. In our tanks, the line of sight, at the time of loading, is inconsistent, in automatic mode. This means that as soon as after loading the gun is removed from the loading angle and comes to the aiming angle, you can immediately shoot ... immediately. So the speed of loading is also important, since the gunner can aim at the moment when loading is carried out.
  3. Grigory_45 8 March 2020 21: 01 New
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    Quote: svp67
    You are wrong right now. In our tanks, the line of sight, at the time of loading, is inconsistent, in automatic mode. This means that as soon as after loading the gun is removed from the loading angle and comes to the aiming angle, you can immediately shoot ... immediately. So the speed of loading is also important, since the gunner can aim at the moment when loading is carried out.

    I don’t argue that aiming and loading cycles go in parallel. But still, AZ manages its work faster than a gunner. The rate of fire will be determined by the time of the AZ cycle only if the tank is used as self-propelled guns - it fires from a place at the same stationary target. In all other cases, and especially when shooting at enemy tanks in motion, the AZ will end its cycle much earlier, and the rate of fire will be determined by the speed of the operator.

    Somehow I came across calculations from the research of Moscow Region, even from Soviet times. Where the time of the aimed shot of tanks was compared with different SLAs (t-62, T-64A and later T-64). Firstly, the time for firing a shot from a standstill and on the move differs by about 5-10 seconds, and (well, it is commonplace for us) - the more advanced the LMS (stabilization of the sight field and automation of data entry into the field calculator), the higher the rate of fire. But the practical and technical rates of fire varied greatly - for example, the T-64A could fire an aimed shot in 25 seconds from a position in motion
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    for Gregory_45:
    This is "finally not an option."
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  • Lord of the Sith 6 March 2020 14: 38 New
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    Something about the T-14 is neither rumor nor spirit ...
    1. Werwulf_1989 6 March 2020 14: 49 New
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      In the same place as the Boomerangs, everything was already cut and bankrupt. But for the Aurus member ship, the platform was created and dviglo, so the specialists were paid 5k bucks, and then the old men plow for 20 and even experienced samples somehow to do.
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        do not carry nonsense. tests go on these platforms. everyone knows about this. throw it cool of course, but if not in the subject, why climb into the comments?
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          do not carry nonsense. tests go on these platforms. everyone knows about this

          You don’t bring nonsense, “Armata” a year ago they promised to put in the troops “cheers patriots” shouted. But in the end, what? “Armata”, except for the samples participating in the parade, was not lit up anywhere else, but now “Breakthrough”. A new way to cut loot?
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            me on the drum at who and what was yelling. the end of the tests was officially announced only at the end of last year. and you listen to anyone you want.
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              the end of the tests was officially announced only at the end of last year.

              Did they tell you this personally? And even earlier there was official information that last year the T-14s should have already arrived in the troops and the number was called.
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                Hangar, Armata ... Some mock promises.
              2. carstorm 11 6 March 2020 21: 51 New
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                they did. for testing. the car always goes through different stages. military trials is one of them.
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        Quote: Werwulf_1989
        In the same place as the Boomerangs

        Well, if 1989 is the year of birth, it is excusable, in part. yes laughing
    2. nickname7 6 March 2020 14: 57 New
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      Something about the T-14 is neither rumor nor spirit


      Dividends with PR actions were collected, but there the grass did not grow.
      T90 at least experienced well done, but still, it must first be put in the army, and then to the parade. But it doesn’t seem like they can’t show off, apparently they say when they put it there, and ratings are needed now.
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      The T-14 party is undergoing military tests.
      1. Lord of the Sith 6 March 2020 15: 04 New
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        It is clear that everything is still being tested;
        But some suspicious and ominous silence. As if they got water in their mouths, for a long time there was no news about the T-14.
        1. 1976AG 6 March 2020 15: 07 New
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          Do you know any other words than "sawing"? Or are you thinking of creating a new one, is it like going to the store? How to finish, announce
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            To saw? Budget? Where did I say that? Well ka?

            Finish = finish.
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              Do they finish this in the sense of completing it? Then I apologize.
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              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              To saw? Budget? Where did I say that? Well, ka ?.

              You have a short memory. Whose words are:
              still being tested finish off
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                Read above, and indeed, this expression is familiar, after assembly to finish with a file?
                If anything, I can tell you what a file is, otherwise the "budget" immediately gets into my head laughing
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                  Quote: Lord of the Sith
                  Anyway, this expression is familiar, after assembly to finish with a file?

                  If this is what was meant, then, I apologize. We have recently the word "saw" is more associated with stealing the budget than even with files, sawmills and sawmills .. So, in order to avoid misunderstanding, it is better to use the word "modify", which everyone understands and is officially used by professionals. hi
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                    hi It happens

                    Then, the budget - to master, and the technique - to finalize))
                    1. Piramidon 6 March 2020 15: 32 New
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                      Quote: Lord of the Sith
                      Then, the budget - to master

                      Well, you can also more specifically - "pull" and "plunder."
                2. 1976AG 6 March 2020 15: 25 New
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                  But how can he not get into the head if almost every second likes to be smart about cutting the budget. There is nothing more to say.
                  1. Lord of the Sith 6 March 2020 15: 39 New
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                    Well, let’s say, every first one who hates other people's money in the budget winked
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                  Lord, next time, clarify what you are talking about.
        2. Vitaly161 6 March 2020 15: 23 New
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          why do we need a crude tank in the army? let them correct children's sores and work quietly quietly without fuss
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            why do we need a crude tank in the army? let them correct children's sores

            but do not tell me a method by which it is possible to identify children's (and not only) diseases of a machine without exploiting it massively in the troops? Share the know-how.
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              that is, what is currently undergoing trial operation, does this mean anything?
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                that is, what is currently undergoing trial operation, does this mean anything?

                and how many tanks pass it, which series, and in what parts? The answer to this question is very important, I think you can answer it

                Trial operation only bears fruit when they "roll" a more or less decent number of cars (and do not keep them in hangars - God forbid, young sergeants with their fleets will break them!), Those parts and those military personnel who will have to operate the equipment (and not testers or elite units), and even this takes a year or two at least.

                Are you ready to guarantee that we have at least the Armat regiment, which is "rolled" by the linear part?
                See what’s the matter. The larger the number of machines, and the more intensively operated, not by superprofessionals, but by ordinary military personnel, the more diseases of technology (and tactics of its use) will come out - and the more quickly they can be eliminated. Nobody wants to have such a situation, so that the flaws come out during the fighting?
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                  and since when should the RF Ministry of Defense personally report to you? Maybe this is information for the joint venture? or generally secret? will be the president of the Russian Federation, perhaps you will be better informed, and so far you look like a green spy)
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                    and since when should the RF Ministry of Defense personally report to you?

                    why are you so nervous? But you were sure that military operation was going according to plan. I wrote you how it should be. If you have any information that refutes me, please inform it in an acceptable form. If not, then you have only speculation, and your disputes with me are meaningless. Like your statements.

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                    maybe this is information for the joint venture?

                    Or maybe not. As far as is known from open sources, 12 vehicles were transferred to the Armed Forces.
                    As for the documents with the signature stamp of chipboard and in a secret manner, I had access to them. Because I have questions (because I know the kitchen from the inside), but you don’t (because you don’t know it, you believe the media)
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                      The signature stamp "Particleboard" and "top secret" is generally nothing. This is the level of a cleaning lady or secretary.
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                    and since when should the RF Ministry of Defense personally report to you?

                    Nobody pulled, to withdraw to the public space. But since Armata participated in the parade, it means that some information could be communicated to the public. Otherwise, the suspicion creeps in that Armata is "rubbing points"
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                      since Armata participated in the parade, it means that it was possible to communicate some information to the society

                      And you can, as we see, not inform. Passion on the Internet does not affect the process of rearmament of the army. tongue
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                        Passion on the Internet does not affect the process of rearmament of the army

                        Passion is one thing, but rearmament is stalled; they are not able to be effective in the economy. But to increase the rating, they imitate work, conduct public relations campaigns, about analogs. But in real life only pipes are pulled.
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                        In general, Armat planned about 2300, that is, the matter is in money, which is not enough. In fact, the Russian Federation has enough money for both tanks and ships, but it was stolen.
                        Here Boldyrev claims in the article "How to Steal One Wallet Twice"

                        Look at the registry: how many shares of Rosneft are directly owned by Russia? Surprise: an insignificant share is practically zero. And where is the state package? For a structure that I can’t evaluate in any way other than as a typical parasitic laying - at Rosneftegaz. This is a typical laying between state property and the federal budget, which should receive dividends on the state-owned shares. They should, but they go to the gasket, from which then only a small part is graciously sent to the budget. The sacramental question: for what is the gasket? Obviously: not to be washed, so skated, but to withdraw dividends from the budget


                        https://www.km.ru/economics/2020/03/08/sberbank/871796-putin-ne-ravno-rossiya-kak-ukrast-odin-koshelek-dvazhdy
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            but do not tell me a method by which it is possible to identify children's (and not only) illnesses of a machine without exploiting it en masse in the troops?

            I can add from my own experience. Our Tu-95RC is constantly being developed from the first to the last day of operation. A factory brigade was assigned to the regiment, which performed these works.
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              But how can these bastards know how the most sophisticated and latest military equipment is brought to mind? The same Grach doped up almost all of his experimental operation in Afghanistan, I think that people like Gregory are more complicated than incandescent bulbs and didn’t hold anything in their hands
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                But how do these lords know how the most sophisticated and latest military equipment is brought to mind?

                be nervous, the second time I advise you. I have a second admission group and 11 years in the defense design bureau. And what can you brag about that gives you the right to insult me? So I understand, having no merits, downgrade another?


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                I think that people like Gregory are more complicated than incandescent bulbs and didn’t hold anything in their hands

                but I think that you have described yourself now. Although self-critical, but true.
                And for the future: without knowing the person, it is very stupid to speak out about him. Now you yourself have exposed yourself in the most unsightly light. hi
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              I can add from my own experience. Our Tu-95RC is constantly being developed from the first to the last day of operation. A factory brigade was assigned to the regiment, which performed these works.

              this is normal practice. When a machine is needed, it is taken raw and, but at the same time, the industry is strained so that it brings the samples to mind - even in the acting parts.
              And this was done not only here, but also abroad. Therefore, I frankly do not understand those who stand by the mountain for trying the car for 100 years, and not to test it to the end, and at this time the aircraft will do what they have, and then master new technology for another 5-7 years. This is trying to justify the unjustified delay in the transfer of technology, and in fact - to justify the fact that our managers are not coping with their tasks.
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                you understand that it’s an order of magnitude more difficult to correct deficiencies identified on finished products, you can tighten the budget to rivet 500 valves, and after a year drag them back to the plant for modernization, you ask why? What is the need for valves at the moment?
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                  you understand that it’s an order of magnitude more difficult to correct defects identified on finished products

                  it is indisputable, but it cannot be otherwise.
                  Of course, the product goes through several stages of testing, it is rolled on stands and landfills in all kinds of conditions. But this never gives a guarantee of a full result. The testers have their own criteria (the compliance of the actual characteristics with the declared ones), and the parts that actually operate the machine may have their own. And in order to take into account the wishes of the personnel, to eliminate the design flaws identified by them, it is necessary to run the machines in linear parts. And the sooner it starts, the faster they will bring the car to a truly combat unit.

                  I do not propose to rivet thousands of tanks at once - just equip them with one or two parts, and carry out controlled operations by the personnel who will continue to operate these vehicles. Testers and conscripts (yes even young contract soldiers) have different training, different operating conditions (the same material base for servicing machines). And in this section you will immediately see how to modify the machine.
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                    I do not propose to rivet thousands of tanks at once - just equip them with one or two parts

                    That is 100-200 cars? Will not be too much?

                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    and carry out controlled operation

                    Horror ... do not write more of this, they will laugh. Better explain how you are going to charge the T-90 "Vacuum". laughing
              2. ROSS_51 7 March 2020 23: 44 New
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                this is normal practice. When a machine is needed, it is taken raw and, but at the same time, the industry is strained so that it brings the samples to mind - even in the acting parts.

                When is it needed? We have a war, or what? You flaunt your involvement here, but at the same time confuse the completion of the crude model and planned modernization, in connection with the natural development of defense systems, weapons, etc.
                And, excuse my interest .. the cleaning lady who washes the floors in the secret department, is that her group of security clearance? (I remembered an old bike about a cleaner in the CIA))
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                  When is it needed? We have a war, or what?

                  and when they adopted the T-64, was there a war? Or when they put on the wing of the Su-27, also fought with someone? If there is no war, then, in your opinion, there is no need to upgrade weapons? So you can now pull out the ancient T-64s, Mosin rifles, Maxim machine guns, and be satisfied))

                  The same T-64 was taken so raw that it wasn’t accepted for service for several years and was operated only in Ukraine - closer to the manufacturer. And what is the result? The revolutionary tank, the world's first tank of the second post-war generation, the first MBT. Many then could also say that there was no need for it - after all, the T-62 was perfectly mastered by parts and industry!
                  1. Vitaly161 8 March 2020 10: 42 New
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                    T-64 is a great example of how to merge millions into the toilet, now it’s not a union, we can’t afford it, 64ka was a very problematic car, unlike the T-72
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                      T-64 is a great example of how to merge millions into the toilet, now it’s not a union, we can’t afford it, 64ka was a very problematic car, unlike the T-72

                      only for some reason do you close your eyes to the fact that if there hadn’t been a T-64, there would have been no T-72
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                      what ?? and nothing that the t-72 is a further logical development of the t-62? and not a single unit, assembly or design is borrowed from 64ki
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                      but not that the T-72 is a further logical development of the T-62?

                      Attention, the correct answer is:

                      In parallel with the work on the tank "Object 438" in Kharkov, similar work was carried out in N. Tagil. Back in 1967, it was decided that the Plant them. Malysheva (chief designer A.A. Morozov) will be engaged in the refinement of the T-64A tank with the 5TDF engine (Object 434), and at Uralvagonzavod (chief designer L.N. Kartsev) they will work on creating a variant of the T-64A tank with engine type B-2.

                      Tagil machine received the factory index "Object 172". The work was set by a joint Decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the USSR Council of Ministers "On equipping the Soviet Army with new medium T-64A tanks and developing capacities for their production" No. 802-266 of August 15, 1967 and by order of the Minister of Defense Industry of January 5, 1968.

                      "Object 172" was created as a mobilization version of the T-64A tank ("Object 434") for production at the Uralvagonzavod in the "special" period. However, during the work in Tagil, the original design of the T-64A was arbitrarily radically altered. In January 1968, the MTS hosted the NTS under the project of the Object 172 tank, which was approved. The first prototype of the Object 172 tank at the Uralvagonzavod was assembled in the summer of 1968. The Object 172 tanks were a rework of the serial Object 434 vehicles (T-64A) produced in Kharkov

                      "Object 172M" under the name T-72 and was adopted.

                      http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=13079.0
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                      what ?? and nothing that the t-72 is a further logical development of the t-62? and not a single unit, assembly or design is borrowed from 64ki

                      first version of Object 172:
                      does not remind anything ???

                      T-72 was created as a mobilization version of the T-64, under the power and technology of UVZ. When working on bugs, the Ural designers changed components and assemblies of sixty-four, which do not meet the requirements of reliability or their view of what the tank should be like. It turned out its own design, but the beginning and concept of which comes from the T-64
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                      and as a result, from 64ki to 72m not a damn thing left, cool
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                      as a result, from 64ki to 72m not a damn thing left

                      left the concept. And no matter how much you accept realities, the fact remains that the T-72 grew out of the T-64
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                  Regarding the components and assemblies, a person is absolutely right ...
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                  controversial statement though ...
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                minus the man only for the fact that he is not an adherent of 64 ?!
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                We pray day and night for her ...
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            The same T-64 was taken so raw that it wasn’t accepted for service for several years and was operated only in Ukraine - closer to the manufacturer

            So accepted or not accepted? How can a tank not adopted for operation be “exploited”? What years are you talking about, please specify?
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              So accepted or not accepted?

              adopted in 1966, after the tank began to go into actual operation in 1964.

              Quote: SaltY
              How can a tank not adopted for operation be “exploited”?

              can. Just as they exploited the Yak-28, for example, which had never officially been in service with the USSR Air Force
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              adopted in 1966

              Yeah, "under the Christmas tree."

              Quote: Gregory_45
              the tank began to go into actual operation in 1964

              Do not share the details, what kind of "real exploitation" is this?
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              Do not share the details, what kind of "real exploitation" is this?

              The first vehicles were sent to the Kharkov Guards Tank Command School and the 41st Guards Tank Division (Chuguev) for trial operation. In the process of operation, the machines were constantly being refined (there was something to refine, and in considerable quantities) In the 64th, 90 tanks were released, in the 65th - 160, in 1966 - almost three hundred.
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              The first vehicles were sent to the Kharkov Guards Tank Command School and the 41st Guards Tank Division (Chuguev) in trial operation

              Here! Thank, exactly this I wanted to hear.

              Quote: Gregory_45
              In the 64th they released 90 tanks, in the 65th - 160, in 1966 - almost three hundred

              I don’t know the details in quantity, but I think that 5 tank regiments for trial operation is too much. Although the USSR could afford it. And now about Armata:

              As REGNUM reported earlier, a contract for the supply of a batch of Armata tanks for experimental military operation was signed in September 2019. In total, according to the contract, by the end of 2021, Uralvagonzavod is to transfer 132 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles to the Russian military on the Armata platform ordered by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

              There’s nothing left to wait, we’ll wait ...
  • ROSS_51 6 March 2020 20: 27 New
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    Quote: Gregory_45
    Quote: Vitaliy161
    why do we need a crude tank in the army? let them correct children's sores

    but do not tell me a method by which it is possible to identify children's (and not only) diseases of a machine without exploiting it massively in the troops? Share the know-how.

    Syria. Tested 210 weapons. 10 samples — procurement was suspended due to identified shortcomings.
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      Syria. Tested 210 weapons. 10 samples — procurement was suspended due to identified shortcomings.

      checking in real databases is also a way. However, there are two points.
      1. I talked about testing equipment in peacetime
      2. Syria is still not quite right. Because armored vehicles are not operated by our military, and the conditions there are quite specific. summarizing: a high-quality picture cannot be compiled. Although, the experience of the combat use of technology is mandatory carefully studied.
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        Quote: Gregory_45

        2. Syria is still not quite right. Because armored vehicles are not operated by our military, and the conditions there are quite specific. summarizing: a high-quality picture cannot be compiled.

        But you are in vain. No one will allow our Syrians to exploit our equipment unless it is bought by the Syrians.
        As for the conditions, the most normal. Armored vehicles will be used precisely in such conditions. Or can you imagine a local conflict between Russia and any of the countries bordering us?
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          But you are in vain. No one will allow our Syrians to exploit our equipment unless it is bought by the Syrians.

          saying that
          Quote: Gregory_45
          Because armored vehicles are not operated by our military

          mean completely different. The fact that the Syrian crews operate the equipment, and they have a completely different level of training and mentality. It’s like giving a monkey a machine gun and judging the qualities of small arms by the way she uses it.
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    Hello.
    At one time, the revolutionary t-64 tank began to be mass-produced and enlisted in the troops 14 years after receiving the first "traveling specimen" ..... Armata, like, in 10 years, if not less.
    Any questions?
    I have - not to you, but generally, to some impatient ones - why do you think that the Russian Federation has more resources and it is obliged to adopt high-tech weapons and military equipment earlier? what did they do in the USSR, and earlier than what did our probable friends do and do?
    Let me remind you - the Raptor was adopted and began to enter the army 14 after the take-off of the prototype, Fu 35 - 13 years later. Our fifth generation fighter - 10 years after the take-off of this version of the fifth generation fighter.
    I don’t understand - why are the critics dissatisfied ... with the fact that the terms are too short? So compared to who? Who did better?
    I don’t want to continue, I really want to swear in bad words, but I can’t use anything but “streamers and aphids” - bloody moderators will beat a zop with a stick, as one of my six-year-old friends said when he was five-year-old. :))))
    So it goes. :)))
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    We are waiting for the T-34 in the configuration "rout-10500". On “rebars” with “boomerangs” did plywood stratify?
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      Keep waiting and watching ... what
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        What do you suggest?
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      We are waiting for the T-34 in the configuration "rout-10500". On “rebars” with “boomerangs” did plywood stratify?

      At the circus school release of clowns happened? Something ran too much ..
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        She didn’t ... in Ukraine they let the madhouse go ... well, they ran into it, there were a lot of them there ..... and the topic was tasty for them - our all-conspirators regularly feed them.
        Rather, both sides feed each other with information cookies, which is why both sides experience an extraordinary emotional upsurge. :)))))
        If you translate Lavrov’s phrase about both of these sides from the diplomatic to the anecdotal - from db bl to English humor - you get the phrase of an English butler - "Thames, sir!" :))))
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        Top wit. Do you have internships in gum?
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          AleBors
          Hello.
          No. Therefore, I will not be able to protect you for admission to this institution. But you try, maybe you can do it all yourself.
          Aren't you tired of the clowning of professional all-singers, which I can’t look at without laughter?
          Interestingly, knowing that the T 64 tank had entered the troops after the prototype was created 14 years later, would they also screech at that time? And you expressed your concern just as seriously?
          You know that the most stupid and ridiculous acts and statements are issued by people with extremely serious facial expressions.
          Yes, but they wanted to say something, my dear, except that you do not like my humor? :)))
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            And you expressed your concern just as seriously?


            Throughout all the channels, the noise was sky high, on Zvezda the host spoke to the chant, about the coolness of the new tanks, like even NATO wanted to break up, they took sleeping pills because it was insomnia from agitation, but it turned out that Armat was 3,5 units. The criticism is that there is an unjustified PR, raw test samples. Let them bring, experience, but without noise.
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            Hello! Your humor is indifferent to me. Like the freak show on TV. About the clowning and "all props". Remind me where we built a factory for the production of high-precision machine tools or modern electronics? For the production of new engines for aviation, navy and BT? What do we have with science? Therefore, I do not share the enthusiasm that the tank was developed during the USSR, that is, in the last century, by some kind of tweaking and filing, giving out as "not having an analogous world."
            All our “breakthroughs” are the legacy of the USSR and its developments. Or do you disagree? Take off your pink glasses ... And I regard your gentility as a lack of culture and education.
            However, it is difficult to expect anything else from the Zaputinist and the Uriapatriot.
            I have the honor!
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              1. Thank God that my humor is indifferent to you ... that means, since you have begun to respond to my comments, do you start to speak in essence? Shaw. No? Well, how so ... because you actually admitted that you are not interested in humor - that you wrote nothing stupid about humor and a gum club ... in principle, thank you for understanding what absurdity they wrote.
              Accepted. No offense. ))
              2. You are directly informed about the timing of the adoption of specific equipment - because the terms do not fit into a universal squeal, the Ukrainian ideological system and a liberal buet - you begin to dodge, like in a frying pan .... instead of an honest answer on the topic, you started to refer to our deficiencies in engine manufacturing, the production of precision machine tools, electronics
              3. I repeat - you are not able to understand why the T 64 tank was adopted and went into the army only 14 years after the first model went, but you definitely know how to scream when the country is more revolutionary tank under current leadership will go into the army four years faster ....
              The statement that Armata is reworking something - in general - beyond good and evil ... sorry - but with a lie - this is overkill, since any person who still has a head will understand that you are lying ... Question - why are you lying so stupidly? No, I'm really interested, I'm not joking ....
              4. I will repeat - why are the complex models of weapons and military equipment that we have, that our probable friends have, that under the USSR, that now - they go through a long period from prototype to introduction into the troops.
              13-14 years old.
              You and your kind squeal about the lost polymers, although the equipment begins to go into the army in ten years - that is armata, that the su-57 is a quarter faster than it was in a successful Union or in the USA ...
              Do you have any. have a conscience?
              It seems that it’s completely absent - you don’t admit your lies when you were caught, you don’t even try to take a break and justify your position - you start raising new topics - in your case - engine building, electronics, etc.
              5. The lack of culture in which you accused me is quite possible - I have only two higher educations - and both are not about culture :)))
              The revelation of the "zaputinets" - joyfully I welcome - I remember very well that in the swamp Natsik. buggers and liberals stood shoulder to shoulder, demanding-Putin get ... :)))) Yeah, I remember the guys who got out of McFall’s reception (and there was a representative of the Communist Party - which is shameful for the sane communists) - and what can you say, for which of the listed scum do you drown?
              The penultimate - all developments are based on the developments of their predecessors - that of the evil bloody Communists, Ivan Terribbles, who worked by the inheritance of tsarist Russia, and that we have working by the legacy of the Communists. You might think tryndostan - from the word - to lie - does not work on its previous and stolen developments, but on invented again ... yeah, while they rejected all the achievements of their predecessors, chemistry, physics and aphids, necromancy - they all came up with a new thing. .... :)))))
              But it does not help. You have already been convicted.
              Given the above, it makes no sense to talk with you about the problems of engine building, or science - if you lie so impudently in such simple and verifiable things, then ... .. what kind of radar buoy did you communicate with a liar who either does not own the topic or does not want to talk the truth ... yeah, he also does not understand humor.
              Goodbye.
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    ... refused to answer the question about the number of tanks that the Ground Forces would receive under the contract, stating that this information was not for wide distribution.

    Afraid, probably, as if the adversaries were not curled up laughing.
    But I'm not funny. More to such machines.
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      He said it right. Information on ammunition stockpiles also refers to state secrets and no one will ever tell you the truth.
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        Quote: 1976AG
        Ammunition Stock Information

        Did I understand you correctly? Amount of delivered tanks and information on ammunition stockpiles (?) Somehow connected?
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          Misunderstood. Not connected. Just such information is a state secret.
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            Just such information is a state secret.

            What information? What does the ammunition have to do with it when it comes to the number of tanks.
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              Information about the planned deliveries of tanks is not yet public. So understandable?
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                No. What does it have to do with
                Quote: 1976AG
                Ammunition stockpiles also relate to state secrets
                ?
                1. 1976AG 6 March 2020 15: 27 New
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                  Relax, you are clearly overworked. Or read carefully.
                  1. Vasyan1971 6 March 2020 17: 39 New
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                    Quote: 1976AG
                    Relax, you are clearly overworked. Or read carefully.

                    That is, I am also to blame for your nonsense?
    2. carstorm 11 6 March 2020 15: 12 New
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      about how) adversaries laugh? and how many tanks a year does it build, for example, the USA?))) Well, or is there Germany?))) or England?)))
      1. Vasyan1971 6 March 2020 15: 18 New
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        Compare, for example, the supply of Su-57 and FE-35, draw an analogy ...
      2. Vitaly161 6 March 2020 15: 18 New
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        USA, no one like BE) only the modernization of the existing park, but they riveted their mother do not worry ..
        1. Astra wild 6 March 2020 15: 49 New
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          By the way, my boy ends up in a tank, not very high opinion of American tanks: "they are good against poorly trained and without normal means of anti-tank army"
          He highly praises the “biathlon” T 72. (he knows well). I asked about "Armata", and he joked
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            Quote: Astra wild
            I asked about "Armata", and he joked

            What does it mean to joke? A belt?))
      3. ROSS_51 6 March 2020 20: 31 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        about how) adversaries laugh? and how many tanks a year does it build, for example, the USA?))) Well, or is there Germany?))) or England?)))

        You won’t believe it at all. Now they are mostly modernizing.
    3. BREAKTHROUGH READY 6 March 2020 15: 17 New
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      At the adversaries and themselves now in the tank park, the cat burst into tears.
    4. ROSS_51 7 March 2020 16: 49 New
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      Quote: Vasyan1971
      ... refused to answer the question about the number of tanks that the Ground Forces would receive under the contract, stating that this information was not for wide distribution.

      Afraid, probably, as if the adversaries were not curled up laughing.
      But I'm not funny. More to such machines.

      First, you count how many adversary tanks in Europe. All together. Which are on the go.
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        Quote: ROSS_51
        You won’t believe it at all.

        I will not believe it because I know that it is. Flutter, perhaps, somehow unconvincing.
        https://m.gazeta.ru/army/2019/03/20/12254869.shtml
        https://www.vpk-news.ru/news/33966
        https://yandex.ru/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Fbmpd.livejournal.com%2F1271251.html
        They are trying to stir up something like this in an embrace with the fanboys. Well, to the heap:

        But, the flaw in our "probable friends" cannot be an excuse for our own. I think so. ©
  • alavrin 6 March 2020 15: 05 New
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    "A 12,7-mm remote-controlled machine-gun mount was installed on the turret." - The long-awaited.
  • Dmitry Makarov 6 March 2020 15: 21 New
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    I hope they will not remove the log from the starboard side of the T-90, even if it is driving along the Red Square with it.
  • Mentat 6 March 2020 15: 24 New
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    Quote: AleBors
    We are waiting for the T-34 in the configuration "rout-10500". On “rebars” with “boomerangs” did plywood stratify?

    Sit and calmly nurse your grandchildren, and do not pour your mold and bile into the forum. Have you served? - relax! And do not harm the country with thoughtless texts.
  • Astra wild 6 March 2020 15: 32 New
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    Quote: carstorm 11
    do not carry nonsense. tests go on these platforms. everyone knows about this. throw it cool of course, but if not in the subject, why climb into the comments?

    To cry
  • Zabvo 6 March 2020 15: 37 New
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    Only probably it is necessary not to drag equipment to parades, but to deliver to the troops in the required volumes. And then from the "Amusing Regiment" is no longer funny.
  • BREAKTHROUGH READY 6 March 2020 15: 40 New
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    These "breakthroughs" on the T72 case have been rolling around the exhibitions since the 90s, and things are still there. The same amount of time will go from parades to combat units.
  • Wolf 6 March 2020 15: 50 New
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    The T90M is a good tank, but the question is how it is with the electronics and whether the "glass armor" eats so that the review would be 360 ​​degrees. In addition, given the experience in Syria, Terminators must necessarily be part of a tank company with a radar that will determine where the ATGM fire is being fired to cover immediately. There are many ATGMs in such wars and they must be quickly destroyed. In addition to this, the T90M, having drilled for today, is probably the best tank in the world itself and convincingly! The tank is a balance of speed and fire force, and everyone saw that MOVING LIFE !!! Voevoda Zhivoin Mishich - God saw this in war and in practice He showed 116 years ago there! wink smile smile
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      Quote: Wolf
      The T90M is a good tank, but the question is how it is with the electronics and whether the "glass armor" eats so that the review would be 360 ​​degrees. In addition, given the experience in Syria, Terminators must necessarily be part of a tank company with a radar that will determine where the ATGM fire is being fired to cover immediately. There are many ATGMs in such wars and they must be quickly destroyed. In addition to this, the T90M, having drilled for today, is probably the best tank in the world itself and convincingly! The tank is a balance of speed and fire force, and everyone saw that MOVING LIFE !!! Voevoda Zhivoin Mishich - God saw this in war and in practice He showed 116 years ago there! wink smile smile

      the person is clearly not Russian, but in my opinion everything that he said is clearly smarter than what was said above.
      1. Kurare 6 March 2020 17: 33 New
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        Quote: awg75
        the person is clearly not Russian,

        Judging by what quotes the Voivode Zivojin Mishić (19th-century Serbian commander), Wolf - Slav Serb.
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        Quote: awg75
        the person is clearly not Russian, but in my opinion everything that he said is clearly smarter than what was said above.

        He is from Serbia.
  • 1970mk 6 March 2020 17: 28 New
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    Circus ... is it when the tests passed? What about Armata? All?
  • fk7777777 6 March 2020 18: 31 New
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    Yes, okay, and it’s good, it’s better to ride than to go badly. So do not la, la, ... I propose to name the first tank "freedom fighter V. I. Lenin", the supastats will be more understandable))) ...
  • Alexey from Perm 6 March 2020 20: 01 New
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    another concept car?
  • Radikal 6 March 2020 20: 32 New
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    Quote: Gregory_45
    Quote: Maz
    And how is the t90m different from the t90?

    1. The tower. A part of the ammunition stow has been moved to the aft niche, the Kalina fire control system has been installed, the installation of the 2A82-1M gun has been announced
    2. The reservation scheme has been changed. The relict dynamic protection and anti-fragmentation lining are installed.
    3. air conditioning and APU installed
    4. announced the installation of GOP MP (control levers replaced by a helm of the BMP-3 type)

    PMP and helm began to be installed even with BMP-1 bully
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      Quote: Radikal
      PMP and helm began to be installed even with BMP-1

      if you were dealing with BMP-1/2 and BMP-3, then you know the differences, and you must understand what he meant. On tanks the installation was announced precisely with BMP-3, GOP MP and automatic gear shifting by analogy with APP-688
  • Victor March 47 7 March 2020 00: 39 New
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    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: Aerodrome
    The T-90M "Breakthrough" tank will be shown for the first time at the Victory Parade in Moscow
    Today, 14: 32
    T72:? wow! dv really is not funny who sees 72 there ... models .. "fit" already ... in the series.

    Some kind of incomprehensible set of letters, signs and symbols. Articulate write is not fate? Or, if only in the forefront to rumble on the clave? A gold champion for the “first place” in the comments will not be given to you anyway. hi

    A crowd of feelings could not push through the brain.
  • Victor March 47 7 March 2020 00: 41 New
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    Circus ... is it when the tests passed? What about Armata? All?

    There was still not enough to drive Armata for export. The T-90 will cost with all the upgrades. Hard to understand? I chew.
  • Dzafdet 7 March 2020 08: 59 New
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    Is the tower inhabited? Then this is just another cut of the budget. Will burn for a sweet soul ...
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    Something about the T-14 is neither rumor nor spirit ...

    There are big problems with the engine. Uraltrac could not design a reliable engine. That is, there are cases, but there is nothing to carry them ...
  • Radikal 7 March 2020 23: 10 New
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    Quote: Gregory_45
    Quote: Radikal
    PMP and helm began to be installed even with BMP-1

    if you were dealing with BMP-1/2 and BMP-3, then you know the differences, and you must understand what he meant. On tanks the installation was announced precisely with BMP-3, GOP MP and automatic gear shifting by analogy with APP-688

    I honestly did not understand your idea, and I repeat once again that the planetary rotation mechanism (PMP) and the helm began to be installed even with the BMP-1. With this you hope you will not argue? bully
  • Dubog 8 March 2020 06: 18 New
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    The armature was already shown, and so it was shown and .... now they started to show the breakthrough, and where to hide one’s eyes from these shows.
  • Whalebone 8 March 2020 10: 00 New
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    After Armata, this is a short game. Migi 21s are not overwhelmed? To paint - and to the parade.
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    an excellent tank, but without KAZ it is defenseless against the javelins, and their Americans are now selling everything to everyone, and they suburbanized all of Europe and the whole of Europe
    1. Grigory_45 8 March 2020 21: 11 New
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      Quote: _Ugene_
      great tank, but without KAZ

      Firstly, KAZ can be put at the request of the Customer. There are requirements in the statement of work, paid the option - let there be Arena or Afghanistan in a simplified version

      Second.
      Quote: _Ugene_
      but without KAZ, he is defenseless against the javelins,

      before Javelin and Spike (and some other modern 4th and 5th generation ATGMs) KAZ can save. Because these missiles have a slide mode - a tank attack from the upper hemisphere, through which KAZ cannot work
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        KAZ can be placed at the request of the Customer. There are requirements in TK
        here is the key word - maybe when tanks are suddenly suddenly needed for their immediate mission, it’s not very interesting for tankers to find out what theoretically can be and what cannot be
        these missiles have a slide mode - an attack from a tank from the upper hemisphere

        so am I about the same, we need kaz, and even covering the upper hemisphere
        1. Grigory_45 9 March 2020 11: 28 New
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          Quote: _Ugene_
          here is the key word - maybe when tanks are suddenly suddenly needed for their immediate mission, it’s not very interesting for tankers to find out what theoretically can be and what cannot be

          the question is exclusively to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Manufacturers have something to offer in this area, but it is the Ministry of Defense who decides in which configuration to buy the cars.
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            there’s nothing for our manufacturers to offer to protect the tank from tankers in the upper hemisphere, why they don’t put ordinary kaz either is not clear, though they would have covered it from TOW and the like, either our manufacturers are not happy with what the manufacturers offer, or they think there’s nothing to regret tankers, women give birth
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              Quote: _Ugene_
              there is nothing for our manufacturers to offer to protect the tank from tank in the upper hemisphere

              All the developments that are available in this area are fully implemented on the T-14 Armata. Question: will they be on production machines, open.

              Quote: _Ugene_
              ordinary kaz why they don’t put it is also not clear

              I believe, for one reason: it is expensive for us (although the USSR was a pioneer in the development and implementation of KAZ for armored vehicles - unfortunately, mainly for prototypes, the only serial tank (and the first in the world equipped with KAZ), which was installed on a regular basis active defense complex, there was a T-55AD with the Drozd complex - but they were also released a little)

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                all the developments that are available in this area are fully implemented on the Armata T-14
                in Afghanistan there is no protection of the upper hemisphere, there is only smoke, aerosols and other dust in the eyes, although in fairness it should be noted that at the moment no one has serial KAZs that completely cover the tank from above, but this will not make it easier for our tankers
    2. Grigory_45 8 March 2020 21: 14 New
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      Quote: _Ugene_
      and their Americans are now selling everything to everyone, and they overpowered the Ukrainians and the whole of Europe with them

      well, no need to dramatize. There are not so many similar complexes yet, they are very expensive. In addition, the calculations need to be trained - and expensive ATGMs do not shoot much. Thirdly, there is a right to them too - because missiles have GOS, and everything that has it can be confused. This is not uranium scrap, against which there is actually no reception
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        dear they are much
        expensive in comparison with what? with the cost of the T-90M?
        they have control - because missiles have GOS, and everything that has it can be confused
        and what kind of T-90M have regular means of counteracting the seeker? smoke screen or what? this is an extremely ineffective tool, how will the tanker understand that it’s time to put it? when it has already flown into the roof it’s too late to put the curtain
        1. Grigory_45 9 March 2020 11: 47 New
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          Quote: _Ugene_
          expensive in comparison with what?

          with anti-tank systems of previous generations. Often arranging real firing is too expensive; for the most part, operators will have to be content with simulators.

          Quote: _Ugene_
          and what kind of T-90M have regular means of counteracting the seeker? smoke screen or what? this is an extremely ineffective tool, how will the tanker understand that it’s time to put it?

          several tools have been developed:
          1. protective coatings (the so-called Cape), reducing and distorting the thermal signature of the machine
          2. aerosol grenades for Clouds hiding the tank not only in the optical, but also in the IR and radar range.
          3. Shooting IR traps.

          And although the KOEP Shtor floodlights on the latest versions of the T-90 have been removed (due to inefficiency against modern ATGMs), the sensors are left - as soon as the tank is illuminated by a laser, a command must be sent to turn the turret towards the threat and launch aerosol grenades

          Much worse than Javelin is the Israeli Spike and the French MMP - they have feedback from the PU (operator) and can be manually guided through a fiber optic cable - so most of the interference is not scary for them, although it forces the operator to stay in position until the rocket hits the target.
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            I hope you understand the real effectiveness of the funds that you listed against the Javelins, Spikes and MMP