At the conference on Katyn in Warsaw they demand to name all those responsible


In 1990, the USSR officially pleaded guilty to mass shootings of Poles in Katyn. In 2004, the military prosecutor's office of the Russian Federation terminated the investigation, since none of the perpetrators remained alive.


This was reminded yesterday by the Deputy Prime Minister and Head of the Ministry of Culture and Heritage of Poland Petr Glinsky during the international conference on Katyn in Warsaw.

The Minister believes that the impetus for the Soviet Union to admit its guilt was the fall of communist regimes in Eastern Europe.

According to Glinsky, the Russian authorities are trying to hide the names of the criminals:

The legal and, unfortunately, more and more ideological successor of a totalitarian state, the Russian Federation, did not name or even resort to symbolic punishment of those guilty of the Katyn crime.

The Polish Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) calls the executions in Katyn genocide. They consider that it is necessary to make public the names of all those involved in the crime, and not to name only the top leadership of the USSR as the culprits.

On April 13, Poland commemorates the victims of the Katyn crime annually. During the main events on the occasion of the 80th anniversary of this event (as the official interpretation sounds), the names of Polish prisoners of war shot in Katyn will be read out at Pilsudski Square in Warsaw for 19 hours.
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  2. Alexga 6 March 2020 12: 30 New
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    Pshek already pulled up. Close and forget!
    1. Aerodrome 6 March 2020 12: 37 New
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      Quote: AlexGa
      Pshek already pulled up. Close and forget!

      appoint me already, and we will close the matter. non-traditional ...
      1. Alexga 6 March 2020 12: 46 New
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        Why prescribe? It’s easier to put together an initiative group, write a program and all that. In the year 24, anyway, the Main thing to change. And without hassle you can close the case. laughing
        1. krot 6 March 2020 13: 36 New
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          For me, it’s time to demolish the monuments in Russia to the Poles! An adequate response should be on our part to the demolition of our monuments in Poland! And it needs to be done!
      2. Malyuta 6 March 2020 13: 07 New
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        Quote: Aerodrome
        appoint me already, and we will close the matter.

        The thing is that at the Nuremberg trials, including the case of the execution of Polish citizens in Katyn, the judges unanimously blamed Hitler Germany !!!
        Initially, the lie of the Katyn crime was voiced by Goebbels, his theses were adopted by the opponents of the USSR in the post-war period.
        Then the topic was picked up by the Gorbachev-Yakovlev Judas.
        For the third time, the current leaders, such as Dmitry Anatolich and Vladimir Vladimirich, began to blame for the crimes of others.
        The deceased, Viktor Ilyukhin, seeing this lawlessness, defended our homeland of the USSR and conducted his own investigation of the Katyn case, in which he fully proved the guilt of Nazi Germany and the innocence of the USSR.
        So the question is closed !!!, and it is open only to those who want to drench the history of the USSR.
        1. Varyag_0711 6 March 2020 13: 22 New
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          In 1990, the USSR officially pleaded guilty to mass shootings of Poles in Katyn.
          Yes, for one this tagged should be shot.
          The legal and, unfortunately, more and more ideological successor of a totalitarian state, the Russian Federation, did not name or even resort to symbolic punishment of those guilty of the Katyn crime.
          And Poland does not want to answer for the tortured Red Army captives?
          In general, the beach psheks beguiled. With Poland you need to talk only from a position of strength, and not chew snot. And it’s not the figs to put wreaths on the president, the people did not authorize him to do so.
          1. tihonmarine 6 March 2020 13: 50 New
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            Quote: Varyag_0711
            And Poland does not want to answer for the tortured Red Army captives?

            Poland sees its preferences everywhere, but they don’t care about others. You can talk a lot about it, but they will repeat their own. They will soon agree to the point that the Nuremberg Tribunal will not be recognized.
            1. orionvitt 6 March 2020 15: 47 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              The Nuremberg Tribunal will not be recognized.

              Already do not recognize. Stating that the USSR is guilty of the beginning of WWII, which completely contradicts the decisions of Nuremberg.
          2. Alf
            Alf 6 March 2020 18: 30 New
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            Quote: Varyag_0711
            his people did not authorize it.

            The people did not authorize him for much ..
        2. Basil50 6 March 2020 16: 21 New
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          baby
          The Germans prepared a lot of provocations like Katyn, but only the Poles began to cooperate in this with the Nazis.
          The Katyn provocation was originally a joint operation of the Germans and Poles. It was not for nothing that the British nailed the outright traitor and his lackeys who appointed themselves * the rulers of Poland from London *.
          Today's Poles position themselves as one of pre-war Poland, dominated by Pilsudski and Ryz Smigly, Hitler's loyal associates.
          It’s worth actually instituting criminal proceedings:
          upon the genocide of the Russians during the creation of Poland by the Austrian-Germans
          upon the Polish attack on the RSFSR, and on the borderlands
          upon the death of the Red Army in Poland in the twenties
          upon the failure of the security agreement
          upon genocide in the occupied territories
          on the desertion of the Poles in Iran under the command of Anders
          on the fact of AK genocide against Jews and citizens of the SOVIET UNION
          upon the cooperation of the Poles in the provocation in Katyn
          upon the falsification of documents (not only in Katyn)
          And of course, to demand the return of the costs of the restoration of Poland.
          1. Basil50 6 March 2020 16: 39 New
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            A sample fake is given below in the comments of * Vladimir *.
            By the way, the authors of fakes very often admit to forgery. They worked under duress, and now * conscience * does not give life. The author of fakes in Katyn has long admitted to faking and even informed the customer and those who forced him.
            By the way, the Poles are well aware that all this is fake and because of everything that Gorbachev and Yeltsin provided them, they * lost *.
            Searched all over Poland so far.
        3. Tuzik 6 March 2020 21: 07 New
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          Quote: Malyuta
          The deceased, Viktor Ilyukhin, seeing this lawlessness, defended our homeland of the USSR and conducted his own investigation of the Katyn case, in which he fully proved the guilt of Nazi Germany and the innocence of the USSR.

          Why did the current government not listen to him and refute the accusations?
    2. spech 6 March 2020 12: 57 New
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      Dig up Kachi, he knows for sure!
    3. knn54 6 March 2020 13: 14 New
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      Why, I would punish the guilty: Gorbachev, Yakovlev ... for misinformation, and ultimately, for slandering the Country.
      1. tihonmarine 6 March 2020 14: 15 New
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        Quote: knn54
        I would punish the guilty: Gorbachev, Yakovlev ... for misinformation, and ultimately for slandering the Country

        And Yeltsin, and our scientists, politicians and writers, Nosov Boris Vladimirovich, Natalya Sergeyevna Lebedeva, Vladimir Abarinov and others who slandered their homeland.
    4. Maz
      Maz 6 March 2020 14: 45 New
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      But the Poles do not want to remember the captive Red Army men whom they starved of disease and hunger in concentration camps, after the unsuccessful attempt of the Red Army to take Warsaw as a civilian? Is this not genocide? They are not Poles, but Russians? Interactive girls are dancing
  3. The leader of the Redskins 6 March 2020 12: 33 New
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    Indeed, why so much to agitate the past?
    1. bessmertniy 6 March 2020 12: 46 New
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      They keep silent about the genocide against our Red Army soldiers captured during the Civil War, and do not consider themselves guilty. But you also have to answer for this!
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      2. Pavel73 6 March 2020 13: 46 New
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        Wouldn’t it be worthwhile to conduct a new investigation of the Katyn case? To conduct an examination of documents that allegedly prove the guilt of the USSR. To conduct investigative actions there, on the spot, to investigate the remains of the executed using modern technologies. Analysis of bullets, cartridges, clothes and shoes, insignia, personal items ... Is there really nothing left?
        1. dauria 6 March 2020 13: 55 New
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          Wouldn’t it be worthwhile to conduct a new investigation of the Katyn case?


          And really - to dig for real. Who and for what.
          Then it may come up that it was not enough to shoot the "innocent killed" - it would be necessary to burn alive for atrocities.
          Yes, publish - maybe then the people themselves will drive the bulldozer and level this grave to the ground.
          In the USSR, mortality even among prisoners of Stalingrad was above the norm only in the first months - the wounded died and
          sick. Then she was conventional for civilians.
      3. tihonmarine 6 March 2020 13: 55 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        They keep silent about the genocide against our Red Army soldiers captured during the Civil War, and do not consider themselves guilty.

        And remember the dead Red Army soldiers, for the liberation of Poland, only 600 were killed, and how many were crippled, and how many died from wounds after the war, and our families of those who lost their fathers and husbands, how many young guys and girls who did not recognize taste of a kiss.
    2. Fat
      Fat 6 March 2020 12: 50 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Indeed, why so much to agitate the past?

      These people just have nothing to stir up. They do not risk meddling in other dark affairs, with the exception of Polish side No. 1 ...
    3. Maverick78 6 March 2020 14: 31 New
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      Only politics ... and the current situation in Ukraine from the same opera.
    4. orionvitt 6 March 2020 15: 50 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Indeed, why so much to agitate the past?

      Because the Poles themselves snout to the nines. As Bender said, "more cynicism."
  4. Yurahip 6 March 2020 12: 35 New
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    First, let them answer for the genocide of our Red Army soldiers, otherwise they say they themselves died ...
  5. askort154 6 March 2020 12: 40 New
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    Russophobic hysteria of the Poles is limitless in its frenzy. I am surprised how they have not yet tied to the genocide of the Poles - Ivan Susanin.
    1. maidan.izrailovich 6 March 2020 12: 59 New
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      I am surprised how they have not yet tied to the genocide of the Poles - Ivan Susanin.

      Already....
      The Polish Foreign Ministry voiced demands aimed at compensating the damage of the Polish side in the form of monetary compensation, starting in 1613, when the Russian peasant Ivan Susanin led the Polish troops into the wilderness, which killed them, refusing to show the way back.
      https://zemlyaki.name/rossiya/229904-polyaki-trebuyut-kompensacii-za-podvig-ivana-susanina-i-drugie-absurdnosti-ih-politiki.html
    2. tihonmarine 6 March 2020 14: 04 New
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      Quote: askort154
      Russophobic hysteria of the Poles is limitless in its frenzy.

      But they forget one thing that time passes and the old German generation brought up after the war in the spirit of repentance leaves, and the new generation no longer considers itself guilty for the actions of the Hitler clique. So this generation will soon present Poland with claims to lands alienated in favor of Poland. And they will no longer have defenders. Already on the 75th anniversary of WWII in Warsaw, A. Merkel already stated that "we should repent before 12 million resettled Germans."
  6. Mytholog 6 March 2020 12: 40 New
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    Impudent from impunity ...
    It is necessary to pull the veins and the answer.
    In contrast to hang something on Katyn. Something about the same controversial or ancient.
    Historians will find if they look well.
    And then mutually drown the questions.
    1. tihonmarine 6 March 2020 14: 06 New
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      Quote: Mytholog
      Historians will find if they look well.

      Yes, and it’s not necessary, it all lies on the surface, you just need to have a clear position and desire, which is so far not visible.
  7. BAI
    BAI 6 March 2020 12: 41 New
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    In 1990, the USSR officially pleaded guilty to mass shootings of Poles in Katyn.

    Otherwise, as a goat, Gorbachev cannot be called.
    1. Dmitry V. 6 March 2020 13: 06 New
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      Quote: BAI
      Otherwise, as a goat, Gorbachev cannot be called.


      In 1940, Blokhin’s career, no matter how cynical and cruel it sounded, reached its peak. He, as part of a firing squad, took part in the execution of Poles from the Ostashkovsky camp. This bloody event went down in history under the name “Katyn execution”.in 1991, the former head of the NKVD in the Kalinin Region visited the USSR Military Prosecutor General’s Office for questioning. Dmitry Stepanovich Tokarev recalled: “Blokhin gave a signal, saying:“ Well, let's go, let's begin ”. Blokhin put on his special clothes: a brown leather hat, a long leather coat, brown leather gloves, with sleeves above the elbow. It was a great impression for me - I saw the executioner. "



      "Rosarchive posted on its website electronic samples of original documents about the Poles executed in Katyn", the head of the federal archival agency Andrei Artizov told reporters. According to him, all these documents have been kept in archives for a long time. Artizov said that there are still people who question the documents" related to the Katyn crime, they say it’s a fake, they say "that such documents were commissioned and there was no execution of Polish officers in Katyn, but the Germans shot."

      "In this regard, it was decided to post on the official website of the Federal Archival Agency of electronic images, originals of documents about Katyn that are stored with us, in the Russian State Archive of Socio-Political History", - added the head of the Federal Archives.

      "There were discovered Note by the People’s Commissar of Internal Affairs of Beria of March 1940 with proposals for the execution and liquidation of prisoners of war of Polish officers. On this note are genuine resolutions of Stalin and a number of other members of the Politburo, that is, Voroshilov, Molotov, Mikoyan. There, in this package, is the text of the Politburo resolution of March 5, 1940, which expresses agreement with Beria’s proposals for the execution of Polish officers "- said Artizov.






      Here is a link to copies of documents
      http://portal.rusarchives.ru/publication/katyn/spisok.shtml
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 March 2020 13: 33 New
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        Hmm ....
        At least the document you have cited, I have sincere doubts about the design of the resolutions of the first persons on such papers. At a minimum, there must be a decision - “I agree”, or a specific order is written “to organize the execution of t, ......”.
        That just a signature. Further, where are the materials of the work of listed persons. Where are the sentences of the tribunal? Tribunal in 1940 !!!? Contrary to the ban on this back in 1938 !!!?
        As Stanislavsky said, I do not believe !!!
        1. Dmitry V. 6 March 2020 13: 55 New
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          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          As Stanislavsky said, I do not believe !!!


          Yes, I'm not surprised - here unbelievers ran.
          Documents from the official website of the state archive - read this is the official opinion of the state today, you are not proof.
          Interrogation of witnesses in the USSR military prosecutor's office from 1990 - not proof for you

          Practical psychology, for some, it is impossible to accept the obvious, contrary to his perception of the world.
          I'm just curious to study the audience and the reaction to the "stimuli".
          So far, everything is very predictable - a lot of minuses from the Stalinists.
          1. Fitter 6 March 2020 19: 34 New
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            The official opinion of the anti-Soviet government, based on false documents, is definitely not proof for me.
            It bothers me that the same Russophobic articles about Katyn are published in the media of my Belarus:
            https://news.tut.by/culture/674784.html
        2. tihonmarine 6 March 2020 16: 30 New
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          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

          Hmm ....
          At least the document you have cited, I have sincere doubts about the design of the resolutions of the first persons on such papers.

          I also read everything that is indicated in the link of Dmitry Vladimirovich.
          "By the decision of the President of the Russian Federation D.A. Medvedev, electronic images of the originals of archival documents on the" Katyn problem "from" package No. 1 "were placed

          Here is one of the documents

          "The entire operation to liquidate these persons was carried out on the basis of the Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU of March 5, 1940." Even a schoolboy will understand such a linden. Read and find in half an hour a bunch of "mistakes". That which at that time simply could not be.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 March 2020 16: 32 New
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            I do not understand where does the Central Committee of the CPSU? In the year 1940 !!!?
            1. tihonmarine 6 March 2020 17: 16 New
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              Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
              I do not understand where does the Central Committee of the CPSU? In the year 1940 !!

              I also did not understand, but it is written, read and understand that "linden", in 1940 was the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.).
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            Help is issued in the 65th.
            1. tihonmarine 7 March 2020 11: 08 New
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              Quote: Alex Justice
              Help is issued in the 65th.

              And the notorious “linden” is immediately visible, and in 1965 they still understood the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, now it is possible to ride on the ears. I think that the certificate was compiled by a person under pressure from above, and so that in the future people would understand the truth, he made such a "linden". Yes, there are a lot of “lindens” there, then below is the “secretary of the Central Committee” in another “secretary of the Central Committee I. Stalin” and a red seal, but there is no signature and the same document. Knowing what Stalin had to do with the documents, one can understand what the Khrushchev libel was made, but the performers made under pressure and made various mistakes.
      2. T.Henks 6 March 2020 14: 02 New
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        Do you want to be a Pilate? Will not work. The fact that the link resulted is good. The morals of that time would be pulled for today. Then there were evil leaders, and from the time of the hunchbacked they were conscientious. And even Hitler did not inflict such damage to Russia as these conscientious ones.
        1. Alf
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          Quote: T.Henks
          And even Hitler did not inflict such damage to Russia as these conscientious ones.


          Here are just some of the main characters in the photo.
          1. tihonmarine 7 March 2020 11: 09 New
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            Quote: Alf
            Here are just some of the main characters in the photo.

            Thanks, I liked it, sorry without additional characters, but we don’t understand it ourselves.
      3. Pavel73 6 March 2020 14: 03 New
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        A few papers slipped into the archive during the Gorbachev "perestroika" - is it not enough to prove the guilt of the USSR?
      4. Pavel73 6 March 2020 14: 47 New
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        Firstly, the NKVD “triples” in 1940 have long been gone. The procedure for considering cases was established by a resolution of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks as early as November 1938: either a court or a Special Meeting of the NKVD. And secondly, how do you imagine the consideration of 25000 cases by one (!) “Troika”?
        1. Pavel73 6 March 2020 14: 49 New
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          And why do not you bring a note to Comrade Shelepin, where does he write about the decision of the Central Committee of the CPSU of 1940, when even the word "CPSU" was not?
        2. tihonmarine 6 March 2020 17: 18 New
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          Quote: Pavel73
          or Special Meeting of the NKVD

          I do not want to search the net, but the Special Conference of the NKVD had the right to give only 5 years.
      5. Alf
        Alf 6 March 2020 18: 37 New
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        Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

        He, as part of the firing squad, took part in the execution of the Poles from the Ostashkovsky camp .... Dmitry Stepanovich Tokarev recalled: “Blokhin gave a signal, saying:“ Well, let's go, let's start. ” Blokhin put on his special clothes: a brown leather hat, a long leather coat, brown leather gloves, with sleeves above the elbow. It was a great impression for me - I saw the executioner. "

        Why shoot a long leather coat, leather mask and leather gloves? Is he going to cut a Pole?
      6. Severomor 7 March 2020 01: 39 New
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        PPC, these are documents for whom? All signatures and visas have already been taken apart. Maybe enough post nonsense from fakes
    2. Barmaleyka 6 March 2020 13: 39 New
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      Quote: BAI
      Otherwise, like a goat

      there is great benefit from the goat, but from the tagged one harm, again when you get it you can put it on meat
  8. Odysseus 6 March 2020 12: 42 New
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    Well, judging by the article on RIA Novosti, where the Nazis are directly called the culprits of the execution, even our authorities finally began to realize that crawling on their knees in front of the sub-American Poles would not lead to anything good. Although the official Polish delegation to the "anniversary" was still invited ...
    1. DMB 75 6 March 2020 12: 57 New
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      This is not only in an article by RIA Novosti. A long-proven fact about the Germans as guilty. And who out there acknowledged that of our politicians is on their "conscience" even before the Last Judgment.
  9. Honest Citizen 6 March 2020 12: 56 New
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    And let me just remind you of some pearls ...
    Yushchenko: Celebrating the anniversary of the Holodomor
    Poles: Celebrating the start of WWII ...
    Coincidence? I don’t think so ...
    And Katyn - to cancel recognition in 1990 (are we not the masters of our word? They gave the word, they took the word)
    Let the Poles answer for the captured Red Army soldiers, for the same Jews whom they drove to German machine guns (for some reason the Germans pay for the Holocaust, although the Psheks played the last violin there), let them answer for a bitten piece of Czechoslovakia in 1938 ...
    I can still remember how the children of our diplomats were beaten in Poland, and this power was simply put on the brakes by this fact, but when the children of Pshek diplomats were Suddenly beaten by football fans in Msk - it was like a smoke yoke ...
    A nation with reduced social responsibility in power (psheki) is generally time to put in place.
    And every year to send them seedlings of Russian birch, for edification, so to speak ...
  10. NICK111 6 March 2020 12: 57 New
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    The behavior of the leadership of the late USSR, as well as of the External in this matter, is akin to surrender.
    In their quest to beat the past of their homeland, the liberals went so far that Russia would soon have to pay the bills from Poland. The late Viktor Ilyukhin talked about this more than once.
  11. Amateur 6 March 2020 12: 57 New
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    They consider that it is necessary to make public the names of all those involved in the crime, and not to name only the top leadership of the USSR as the culprits.

    Materialized materials:
    The commission did not find direct evidence of the USSR’s guilt, but in December 1987, on the basis of the commission’s work, a note of four was prepared in the Polish sector of the Central Committee on the need to admit the guilt of the Stalinist regime. It was signed by the secretaries of the Central Committee; members of the Politburo A. N. Yakovlev, V.A. Medvedev, Foreign Secretary E. A. Shevardnadze and Minister of Defense Marshal S. L. Sokolov.

    Fakes made public and handed over to the Poles
    M. S. Gorbachev knew about their existence. B. N. Yeltsin received the documents of the Special Folder personally from Gorbachev during the transfer of power by the latter [67]. 8 months later, on September 24, 1992, package No. 1 was opened containing documents related to Katyn. On October 14, copies of these documents were handed over by the head of the State Archival Service Rudolf Pihoy to the President of Poland, Lech Walesa, and thus made public

    By the way:
    When PSU received very serious evidence that A.N. Yakovlev was an agent of the CIA, Vladimir Alexandrovich reported this to Mikhail Gorbachev ... and thanks to Gorbachev, the verification of these data did not pass. And if it had passed, then confirmation of these data on Yakovlev would have been carried out. His arrest and interrogation would follow ...
  12. Kerensky 6 March 2020 12: 58 New
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    Well, let a book about Katyn be read and refuted. People tried, wrote ... I, it seems, agree - there was no point in us disposing of the Poles ...
  13. Jcvai 6 March 2020 13: 00 New
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    Just remember the attack on the USSR in 1920, during which of the 150 thousand captured Red Army soldiers in Polish captivity, about half died (while 4421 Poles died near Katyn). Also take into account that out of 40+ thousand captured Poles, more than half were released, and the decision to shoot was made because of the impossibility of either letting go or keeping (the Poles refused to work in captivity for self-sufficiency).
    That is, from the point of view of a modern person: yes, a war crime. But, objectively looking at the historical facts of "Russian-Polish relations" and the current situation of that time ... "who would say so"
  14. iouris 6 March 2020 13: 00 New
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    There is information that Stalin and Beria took refuge in Georgia. Contact.
  15. Ross xnumx 6 March 2020 13: 03 New
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    At the conference on Katyn in Warsaw they demand to name all those responsible

    Isn’t it time to document what Viktor Ilyukhin talked about?
  16. Adam Khomich 6 March 2020 13: 05 New
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    Quote: Jurachip
    for the genocide of our Red Army will answer

    And for the active participation of the Poles in the Holocaust,
    desecration of the graves of executed Jews (they tore their golden teeth from corpses).
    And let them name the names of all Poles who "worked" in concentration camps
    sources of crematoria and warders.
  17. sanik2020 6 March 2020 13: 06 New
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    What crime are we talking about? In 1939, during the liberation of western Belarus and Ukraine, these officers simply committed atrocities against the sympathetic population and the Red Army. Then there were captivity, trial, sentencing and execution. By the way, everyone then had such laws and not only the USSR. And not all prisoners were shot, but only the most bloody and frenzied.
    It is necessary to publish archived documents about Polish atrocities against ethnic Belarusians, Ukrainians and others more often than in the USSR on Poland.
    1. Alf
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      Quote: sanik2020
      In 1939, during the liberation of western Belarus and Ukraine, these officers simply atrocities against the sympathetic population and the Red Army.

      No wonder then the Poles wandering in columns of prisoners asked the Red Army for protection from the local.
  18. Shuttle 6 March 2020 13: 10 New
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    Something tells me that if when Russia names the real culprits and documentary evidence, the need for fire engines will increase significantly in Poland, because many burning seats must be extinguished.
  19. vladimirvn 6 March 2020 13: 10 New
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    At that time, the Poles were enemies. The NKVD destroyed the most dangerous. The question is closed.
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    Until Poland was responsible for the occupation of Moscow in 1610, there is nothing to talk about with it!
    Pasha nafig, Happy New Year ....
  21. gig334 6 March 2020 13: 12 New
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    Let the Psheks deal with Germany on this issue, because the Germans did this, and not the USSR.
  22. Den717 6 March 2020 13: 12 New
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    According to Glinsky, the Russian authorities are trying to hide the names of the criminals:
    The legal and, unfortunately, more and more ideological successor of a totalitarian state, the Russian Federation, did not name or even resort to symbolic punishment of those guilty of the Katyn crime.

    Firstly, in order to name the names of the perpetrators, you must have a court decision in this case. A political statement has no legal consequences until it becomes a material evidence in the case and is recognized as such by the court.
    Secondly, any discussion on this subject can begin after the trial of the Polish warriors who trained in felling with sabers on captured Red Army soldiers, or the camp administrations, which allowed pest of prisoners of war in the camps.
    And thirdly, they should take an example from Erdogan on how to build productive relations despite the complexity of history.
    At the site of the administration of the memorial in Katyn, I would have made an exposition strictly on the basis of the case (which I don’t discuss today, I didn’t see it), and the entrance for the Poles was “very” paid, and the place where their plane crashed with the president would have been cleared under the field for golf or football (as you like) because there are no graves there, all bodies are in Warsaw.
  23. vvp2412 6 March 2020 13: 13 New
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    At the conference on Katyn in Warsaw they demand to name all those responsible

    All those who were shot are all to blame for themselves.
    Those. how the Red Army shot the Poles - so normal. And when the return line arrived - so - And us for SHO !?
  24. Titus 6 March 2020 13: 14 New
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    And in general, they don’t give a damn what our leadership confessed to something ... they wanted to lick, but if this institute of memory wants to punish all involved, then let them find it justified with evidence and so on.
  25. Dmitry V. 6 March 2020 13: 23 New
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    Documents published.

    Were questioned in 1990 at the USSR General Military Prosecutor's Office witnesses to the shooting of Polish officers in 1940.

    Tokarev recalled: “Experienced executioners shot at the neck, holding the barrel obliquely up. Then there was a chance that the bullet would come out through the eye or mouth. Then there will be only a little blood, while a bullet shot in the back of the head leads to heavy bleeding (more than one liter of blood flows out). And they killed at least 250 people a day. When all the prisoners in Ostashkovo had already been destroyed, Blokhin arranged a farewell libation for those who killed more than 6300 people. Blokhin received a bonus in the amount of the monthly salary. Someone was given an award reward Nagan, a bicycle, a gramophone as a prize. ”

    According to Dmitry Stepanovich, the firing squad worked at night for 10 hours. And they spent about 3 minutes on one suicide bomber. After each night shift, Blokhin gave alcohol to his subordinates. And among them, he was the only one who remained calm, showing complete indifference to what was happening.
    1. Dmitry V. 6 March 2020 14: 06 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      Documents published


      Thanks to the Stalinist gentlemen for the minuses, I expected this very reaction to the official opinion of the state, to copies of the original documents, to excerpts from interrogations of the USSR military prosecutor’s office.
      This is a common clinical case of psychology:
      Negation - mental process, attributed to the mechanisms of psychological defense. It manifests itself as a refusal to recognize the existence of something undesirable.

      Denial is one of the basic defenses of paranoid personalities acting in tandem with "Projection"
      As a defense mechanism projection allows a person not to feel responsibility for their own shadowy content (unacceptable feelings, desires, motives, ideas, etc.) by perceiving such feelings as strangers. A negative consequence of such protection is the desire to fix an external object onto which something negative is projected, or to get rid of him altogether so as to get rid of the feelings “caused by him”.

      Those. people with mental disorders - unfortunately, "pierce" on such simple irritants - publications.

      Denial: the belief that some painful or traumatic circumstances, events or memories do not exist and did not occur. In psychology, denial is a protective mechanism of a person in the form of an inability to recognize an unpleasant reality for him
      1. nov_tech.vrn 6 March 2020 16: 53 New
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        Gorbachev’s falsifications have been exposed so many times that it’s just disgusting to touch the traces of the life of the Gorbachev-Yakovlev investigations, sometimes it even seems that the employees who forced him to do this deliberately made mistakes so that a qualified expert would not find a dock.
      2. voyaka uh 6 March 2020 18: 43 New
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        "Thanks to the Stalinists gentlemen for the minuses - it was precisely such a reaction to the official opinion of the state, to copies of the original documents, to extracts from interrogations of the USSR military prosecutor’s office in 1990 that I expected" ////
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        So neo-Stalinism is now booming. Read about 30 articles of Mr. Samsonov on
        historical branch of VO: "Stalin - the peak of world civilization."
        With such constant ideological nourishment, what other forum response can we talk about?
      3. Fitter 6 March 2020 19: 39 New
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        You called me crazy, u. bl. Yu. Dock liberoid?
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          You called me crazy ...?


          You yourself answered your question - do not spare money for a visit to the doctor.
  26. Pavel57 6 March 2020 13: 27 New
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    Ours behave somehow passively with the Poles. And Belarusians too.
    1. iouris 6 March 2020 13: 31 New
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      Quote: Pavel57
      Ours behave somehow passively with the Poles.

      On the contrary, it’s very active: they gave confession, cooperate.
  27. usr01 6 March 2020 13: 38 New
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    Question has long been closed !!!
    Ilyukhin, Strygin, Mukhin, Swede and others.
    https://russianpulse.ru/colonelcassad/2020/03/05/1877481-raskrutku-katyni-odobril-gitler-kto-na-samom-dele-ubival-nbsp-polyakov
    And the Poles will doldrify their mantra ...
  28. tihonmarine 6 March 2020 13: 40 New
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    The Minister believes that the impetus for the Soviet Union to admit its guilt was the fall of communist regimes in Eastern Europe.
    The impetus was the betrayal of Gorbachev, Yeltsin and our adherents Goebbels, who betrayed their history and their people.
  29. gramatey 6 March 2020 13: 43 New
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    Even in his youth, he read the memoirs of one of the NKVD employees, including those related to this issue: The NKVD officers had the strictest instruction that during execution of the sentence there should not be any documents, personal items, etc. on which the body could be identified. This was strictly observed even at the beginning of the war, when it was necessary to retreat. In the Katyn burial at each deceased, certificates, diplomas, awards were found, someone even had a personalized dirk. Some nonsense.
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      Quote: gramatey
      . In the Katyn burial, at each deceased, certificates, diplomas, awards were found, someone even had a personalized dirk.

      Ha, NEWSPAPERS with that date were found! Every day, the Poles were brought to the camp fresh press ...
  30. Andrey Mikhaylov 6 March 2020 13: 43 New
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    In the works of modern Russian researchers, various data appear on the number of Red Army prisoners then captured: 157 (Meltiukhov), 000 (Mikhutina), 165 (Matveev), 550 (General Kirilin). Plus - thousands of White Guards and thousands of fighters of nationalist Ukrainian armies.

    The number of those who returned from captivity does not cause doubts and disputes. Russian historians called 67, the Poles did not mind. The rest (calculate the difference yourself) remained in the Polish land.

    At the same time, the Poles - just like in entertaining arithmetic - believe that 16-18 thousand died in captivity. Strange arithmetic among the Poles, in which about a HUNDRED THOUSAND people are "lost"! Who will answer in Poland for our prisoners ??????
  31. sleeve 6 March 2020 13: 44 New
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    I propose an open joint investigation under the auspices of the Security Council and the Russian and Polish prosecutors. Disclosure of the investigation. Joint open parliamentary hearings. No shtunny trunks and The Hague or whatever else from a gateway. Giving up? So they know the truth.
    1. Alf
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      Giving up? So they know the truth.

      They will refuse. But not the Poles, but the Russian side.
  32. nov_tech.vrn 6 March 2020 13: 48 New
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    We will use materials on this issue established as a result of the investigation by real historians.
    An article entitled “The GPU - The Killing of 12 Polish Officers” appeared in the main Nazi newspaper Völkischer Beobachter (People’s Observer) on April 000, 13. At the same time, in the process of exhumation, the Nazis staged a large propaganda show. However, it is known that the Nazis voiced the “Katyn case” in close contact with representatives of the Polish government in exile, who was in London. By the way, the source of this information was archival reports of Sandor Radó (Radó Sándor) - a resident of Soviet military intelligence during the Second World War.
    In the process of exhumation and identification of corpses, the Nazis were actively helped by specialists from the technical commission of the Polish Red Cross. The results were presented in the "Official Material on the Massacre in Katyn", which was published in 1943 in Berlin. The document said that 4143 corpses were exhumed from the graves, of which 2815 (67,9%) were allegedly identified. At the same time, the Nazis allegedly found lists of Polish officers sent to Smolensk in the spring of 1940 in the building of the NKVD of the Smolensk Region in July 1941. But in 1945, all the "documentary evidence" of the NKVD responsibility in the "Katyn case" was for some reason burned by the Nazis at the direction of Berlin.
    It is known that on the instructions of the prosecutor Krakow Roman Martini, who opened in the fall of 1945 a criminal case on the death of Polish officers, Polish forensic experts (professors Jan Olbyht and Sergiusz Sengalevich) prepared a review of the Nazi material. The Poles discovered "a lot of gaps, mistakes and inaccuracies." The recall of Polish experts was to be submitted to the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal. However, this was not done. And in March 1946, the prosecutor Martini was strangely killed.
    It is established that most of the exhumed corpses were dressed in Polish uniforms. Meanwhile, according to the "Regulation on Prisoners of War" of March 19, 1931, prisoners of war in the USSR "were allowed to wear their uniforms, but without the decals assigned to the rank or position." In addition, Geco 7,65 D. pistol cartridges (Gustav Genschow & Co.) with stainless brass sleeves were produced in Germany only until the end of 1940. In 1941, due to the shortage of non-ferrous metals, the Nazis had to switch to the production of copper-plated steel sleeves, and then pure steel sleeves coated with gray-green varnish. That is, it was possible to put an end to the Katyn affair even then.
  33. Freedim 6 March 2020 13: 53 New
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    By name, say .. Well, let's start with the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in the person of King Sigismund III, who nestled on Russian lands in 1609 and terrorized the Russian people for almost a decade, organizing unrest, and dealing with the genocide of the local population.
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  35. Cheerock 6 March 2020 14: 11 New
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    at the Nuremberg trials, including the case of the execution of Polish citizens in Katyn, the judges unanimously blamed Hitler Germany !!!

    Not true. The court found the evidence insufficiently weighted and withdrew the charge from the Reich.
  36. Vitaly Tsymbal 6 March 2020 14: 25 New
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    The Polish Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) calls the executions in Katyn genocide. They consider that it is necessary to make public the names of all those involved in the crime, and not to name only the top leadership of the USSR as the culprits.

    The institute of memory has a bad memory .... Katyn is remembered, but they don’t remember 1920 and 1939 .... the words of Yevgeny Leonov in the film "Gentlemen of Fortune" creep into my head - HERE I REMEMBER, HERE I DO NOT REMEMBER.
    Stalin shot those who shot the Red Guards + those Poles in 1920, who in 1939 did not comply with the order of the Polish government not to resist the USSR, not to kill Soviet soldiers ... and the Poles killed them, although by all agreements, the Poles who surrendered to the USSR army should deported to England ... Raise the archives to understand who was shot ...
    Stalin, of course, is evil, but in those days the massacre of people was NATURAL !!!
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      Stalin, of course, is evil,

      Do not carry nonsense, if you are Russian and Stalin is evil, then you would not be .... well, something like this (s)
  37. tomket 6 March 2020 14: 51 New
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    I demand to punish all the guilty Poles in the Russian genocide during the Time of Troubles. My windows just go to the place where Maria Mnishek’s camp was, so everyday contemplation of this place brings me mental anguish))) In general, I demand from the Poles, peace, apology, reporters.
  38. Olddetractor 6 March 2020 15: 45 New
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    They lie. The genocide is Stutthof, Plaszow, Chelmno, Treblinka, Sobibor, Majdanek, Auschwitz
  39. Kostadinov 6 March 2020 16: 37 New
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    The Polish Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) calls the executions in Katyn genocide. They consider that it is necessary to make public the names of all those involved in the crime, and not to name only the top leadership of the USSR as the culprits.

    Absolutely right. Here are the main culprits by name - Hitler, Himler and Goebels and the indirectly hanging leadership of Poland in 1939. In addition, the genocide of the Poles has never been beaten in history.
  40. Scharnhorst 6 March 2020 16: 45 New
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    I propose to demolish the monument in Katyn in the framework of the Polish "decommunization"! An adequate measure for the demolition of many monuments at the graves of Soviet soldiers-liberators in Poland itself. It also seems that near Smolensk, where the Polish government board crashed, they were planning to erect a memorial ... Raise everything and let them grow a primitive eco-friendly forest so that it doesn’t smell of Polish spirit!
  41. Pacifist with AK 6 March 2020 17: 04 New
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    The situation is unpromising. No matter what documents are provided, this will not solve, absolutely
    NOTHING! The West does not need the truth from the word “completely”, they need “Hiley likes” and Russia designated as guilty! To hammer and forget! Send everyone into a tolerant hole and live on according to YOUR own rules! Well, Poland is an eternal litter, indecent girl posing as a krulev.
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      The West doesn’t need the truth from the word "completely",

      But is the truth needed by the Russian authorities?
  42. Pavel73 6 March 2020 17: 48 New
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    That the “Package N1” and all its contents is fake is quite obvious. There are a lot of signs. But this is why our state officially continues to recognize this fake, and does not expose it, this is a question. Most likely due to the fact that in our archives there are a lot of important and genuine documents regarding the bad deeds of our neighbors on the planet. And if we expose the Katyn fake now, it will cast a shadow over everything else that is stored in our archives. Then they will tell us: yeah, you have all the fakes! The time has not come yet.
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      Quote: Pavel73
      That the “Package N1” and all its contents is fake is quite obvious. There are a lot of signs. But this is why our state officially continues to recognize this fake, and does not expose it, this is a question. Most likely due to the fact that in our archives there are a lot of important and genuine documents regarding the bad deeds of our neighbors on the planet. And if we expose the Katyn fake now, it will cast a shadow over everything else that is stored in our archives. Then they will tell us: yeah, you have all the fakes! The time has not come yet.

      By the time Ch is waiting, Harvard wise men will find out that the USSR is a provocation (fake) invented by the Democrat Roosevelt to raise the rating before the next election (well, there wasn’t such a country), and Pearl Harbor is just as random as Honda Point .. Let the Katyn fake be sucked as they want. The Russian Federation, as I recall, made no statements on this issue and UPAshnikov did not recognize fighters.
  43. Yuri Mikhailovsky 6 March 2020 19: 29 New
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    Your ally, Hitler, with whom you were the first in Europe to sign a military alliance and began to sharpen your teeth in the USSR.
  44. Metallurg_2 8 March 2020 10: 26 New
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    The main culprits are Pan Pilsudski and others like him. For it was not necessary to annex territories east of the Curzon line.