750 billion rubles of debts written off to Russian defense industry enterprises

Debts will be written off to the Russian military-industrial complex. According to Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, the debts of Russian defense industry enterprises in the amount of 750 billion rubles will be restructured, about half of this amount will be written off.

Speaking to the board of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Tatarstan, Borisov confirmed that the debts of defense industry enterprises in the amount of 750 billion rubles would be restructured.

(...) 750 billion rubles will be restructured for defense industry enterprises. Half of them will be practically written off, the rest will be restructured for 15 years at 3% per annum

- said the Deputy Prime Minister, adding that this will free oneself from huge payments to banks, free up funds for their own development.

Earlier it was reported that 90% of the debts of the Russian defense industry enterprises are accounted for: the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), the United Shipbuilding Corporation (OSK), Uralvagonozavod (UVZ), High-Precision Complexes and Almaz-Antey. The military-industrial complex loan portfolio is about 2 trillion. rubles and defense industry enterprises are not able to pay loans to financial institutions, often sending all profits to pay off interest, thereby increasing the profits of banks, instead of investing in production and paying salaries.

The release of a closed presidential decree regarding the debt problem of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation was reported at the end of last year. In January of this year, the head of VTB Andrey Kostin said that the problem of the debts of the defense industry enterprises had been solved.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

What time? !! And why not retirees and low-income debts for a communal apartment? Give people the opportunity to rest, rather than endless running in a wheel ?!

[St Petrov]

let's help. than I can. if you have a difficult situation, I think here you will be thrown off as much as you can. different things happen in life

[The leader of the Redskins]

You write nonsense. As if you’re living in another country ... Thank God, at work, it’s all right to pay and work. But I also see that a little further than the nose.

[St Petrov]

Well, as usual. we have all the opposition - she lives normally, but worries about the people of Russia. Our opposition dreams of making people happy, and while tyranny is sworn and at work, they pay everything right

he also dreams about how he helps pensioners

[Serg65]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

But I also see that a little further than the nose.

It’s interesting, Comrade Leader, in Russia and Ukraine you don’t notice the Nazi occupation of the country, but in Russia, note every speck of dust, interesting!

[loki565]

It’s interesting, Comrade Leader, in Russia and Ukraine you don’t notice the Nazi occupation of the country, but in Russia, note every speck of dust, interesting!

Are you hinting at sho ??? here all the indigenous Muscovites)))

[Serg65]

Exceptionally indigenous, and in the fifth generation!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: loki565

It’s interesting, Comrade Leader, in Russia and Ukraine you don’t notice the Nazi occupation of the country, but in Russia, note every speck of dust, interesting!

Are you hinting at sho ??? here all the indigenous Muscovites)))

Not otherwise Karaite! I, Karaimka, a native of Crimea in the one hundred and fifth generation .. Daughter of a rabbi and a mullah ...

[Omskgasmyas]

+100500! I laugh wildly!

[Hagalaz]

You took the conversation in the wrong direction and raking for it. Although the attitude to the article really should be twofold. Because the top management of our military-industrial complex often lives on beyond its means or there is a misuse of funds. And debts are written off.

[antivirus]

The loan portfolio of the defense industry is about 2 trillion. rubles and the defense industry enterprises are not able to pay loans to financial institutions, often sending all profits to pay off interest, thereby increasing the profits of banks, instead of investing in production and paying salaries.
ABOUT GREATING - IT IS NECESSARY TO SEPARATE THE DEBTS INSIDE THE HOLDINGS AND WRITE OFF + RESTRUCTURING ALL TECH. IN CHAINS, AND NOT ONLY FOR THE HEADQUARTERS TO WRITE OFF FOR CONTINUATION "fatten" and invest in promising production - not take new loans (again to get into bondage)
market control is needed from the state-va (Borisova)

[Hagalaz]

I agree with that. This is the correct formulation of the question.

[orionvitt]

These debts have been going on since the 90s. It is necessary to solve the issue of competent banking policy in the state. Of course, with such bank interest, as in Russia, not such debts will run.

[antivirus]

they rinse me for challenging the formation of the ocean-going fleet - and we have lost a slave class in the defense industry - umpeltsev-universals, and there are simply no competent cnc-specialists in abundance. everything depends on "what goals - only the state defense order at an affordable price or --- preparation of the defense industry for a crisis situation - a war on 1 -2 -3 fronts. long, with mobilization not only in the army, but also in the military-industrial complex. the rear is more important than divisions. There are Strategic Missile Forces and other contractors (on a post basis they sit and monitor their site) how to put a competent worker to the machine (and what?). Where is it taken into account?
the country is ready only for the exchange of poison strikes and ... to paradise .. not ready for sanctions, isolation, refusal from external bargaining and import, maintaining order inside and on territories occupied during the war (and upon retreating we will run into deserts without villages ( milk, firewood, roads) - there are no logistics personnel and citizen specialists

[Alf]

Quote: orionvitt

It is necessary to solve the issue of competent banking policy in the state.

The Russian government does not know how to do otherwise. Remind the term "kudrinomics"?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And why not retirees and low-income debts for a communal apartment? ... Thank God, I’m working properly and paying everything

Well, then why are you constantly crying? I’m retired, I haven’t been working for 5 years, I don’t eat grouse and pineapple, but I also have no debts in the housing and utilities sector. I also help children with grandchildren.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And why not retirees and low-income debts for a communal apartment? ... Thank God, I’m working properly and paying everything

Well, then why are you constantly crying? I’m retired, I haven’t been working for 5 years, I don’t eat grouse and pineapple, but I also have no debts in the housing and utilities sector. I also help children with grandchildren.

Well, now tell me that you have a pension of 12 thousand ... Like the vast majority of pensioners in our country ...

[Mikhail Tynda]

Why do we need the army and the defense industry? Some waste. But ... We do not want to feed our own - we will feed strangers. And strangers voracious and without politicians will take, but not their own and what they want.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: s-t Petrov

let's help. than I can. if you have a difficult situation, I think here you will be thrown off as much as you can. different things happen in life

old people point org. Do not forget to tell later exactly what helped, but as you know um ... to speak on the site, not toss the bags.

[St Petrov]

the site is supposed to speak only with tears in their eyes in caring for others
Did not read Siebeltrude from photography posts? He would fit in perfectly here with concern for the people

[ximkim]

NOT an option. Since nothing is written off to the source of money, only profit. There is a military-industrial complex, but like a swamp ..

[EnGenius]

If we divide 750 billion rubles into 46 million pensioners, we get 16 thousand 300 rubles per person. That is, in fact, the equivalent of 2 minimum pensions per person. Amounts seem huge, but do not forget about retirees or strategic enterprises. Many of the defense industry enterprises collected debts of both dollar and ruble at very high interest rates and many even now cannot be re-credited due to the pre-bankrupt state of debts. So the amount within the country is not super-gigantic. In any case, the state would be forced to buy defense industry products at inflated prices, and banks would receive wild interest on debts - they are apparently trying to avoid this.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

The defense industry enterprises survived without orders in the period from about 1995 to 2008 but, and many more. Someone who survived, but of course loaned by the most indulge, so the decision to restructure the right

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

The defense industry enterprises survived without orders in the period from about 1995 to 2008 but, and many more. Someone who survived, but of course loaned by the most indulge, so the decision to restructure the right

That is, the state appoints a director — he is recruiting relatives or ineffective managers with salaries ten times higher than qualified engineers and designers, machine tools, gaining loans, overstating the costs of reconstruction and repair, inflating the staff of useless employees — and is he invited to write off this?
Here, for each enterprise, it is necessary to restore order - where are the debts from when the supposedly most unparalleled ones are issued?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Dmitry, have you worked a lot at defense industry enterprises to write this? I have seen several such enterprises, I have never seen any "tenfold" ones. The difference in the salary of the top (commercial, financial director, production director, etc.) and a skilled worker is two and a half, well, three times the maximum. And sometimes one and a half. At the last place of work, the salary of top managers is approximately three times higher than the average salary of a worker in the plant. So average, not skilled workers.

[antivirus]

I have seen several such enterprises, I have never seen any "tenfold" ones. The difference in the salary of the top (commercial, financial director, production director, etc.) and a skilled worker is two and a half, well, three times the maximum. And sometimes one and a half.
they started optimistically, but 13 salaries or prizes from the head office of the daughter’s director (to the account department)? Is Chelyaba growing and developing?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Firstly, I talked about the tops, the director of the salary may be higher, but not many times. Well twice. And bonuses, yes, they do, but as a rule bonuses are related to the size of the salary.
That is, bonuses are far from at all enterprises. Where there is - sn tops below normal. For example, at one of the large enterprises of Transbaikalia, my salary was about 1,8-2,15 higher than a highly skilled worker. At 1,8 - without an annual bonus, and 2,15 - with an annual bonus.
And about the schemes - I’m talking about the schemes where they are. I'm still finder, so they go through me :)))

[antivirus]

the topic of boobs is not disclosed - there are schemes and financial and .... equipment transfusion from empty to empty.
profit at the plant-0, in the UK (holding) -100%. how costing on paper clips to make.
on the subject: for Borisov, "the point of attraction of costs" 750 billion rubles where? - salary of a turner-CNC or top (head of the shop-PDO-PEO)?

no one to escape from the question for whom GOZ ????????????? and further ?

for the top-a wise manager and his vacation in Turkey or a turner and a recreation center in the same town (max to go to the region center + Belokurikha or Zol ring) ???? and further ?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: antivirus

the topic of boobs is not disclosed - there are schemes and financial and .... equipment transfusion from empty to empty.

No offense, but I probably know much more about them than you :))))
However, to know is not to apply. On supply schemes - I'm afraid you have no idea how this is being controlled now, I just say honestly - you are tormented to do it.

Quote: antivirus

profit at the plant-0, in the UK (holding) -100%. how costing on paper clips to make.

Easy! Only here it will not be possible to drive up to the military representative with such expenses - he does not want to sit, so he will quickly pick up. In other words, no one forbids paying the plant of the management company "for paper clips", but the state will not pay the plant 100% of these costs. As well as bonuses for the management :)))

Quote: antivirus

on the subject: for Borisov, "the point of attraction of costs" 750 billion rubles where?

Actually - 375 billion, half is forgiven, the rest is debt restructuring.

[antivirus]

375 billion, half is forgiven, the rest is debt restructuring.
if we count "from the 90s and 00s," then a rectification from 28%? 3% is space

I haven’t been working in the defense industry for many years, I’m only standing on the porch

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: antivirus

375 billion, half is forgiven, the rest is debt restructuring.
if we count "from the 90s and 00s," then a rectification from 28%?

let's not fantasize on unfamiliar topics. There are no such% banking for a long time. Loans in those years were short, for a year and a half, the refinancing was already at new interest rates, so that no one has been paying 28% for a long time

[antivirus]

for a long time there are no such%. and how to build a boiler room (reconstruction, etc.) in how many years is it possible? with IP, garage, warehouses, Main production, auxiliary + procurement.
indeed, the last 10 years (many before) in the defense industry complex dropped all minor ballasts. even earlier housing and communal services and social programs (from 96g to 05g)
now you have only the assembly left, and many or some cotter pins and other "snot" are sharpening in "garages". could reduce the cost. and it turned out -------- 3-8% is also not enough for 100 tr / m for all workers (for a maximum pension according to modern coefficients).
the proportions of the economy and factories (not holdings) are all equally viable.
is it possible that everything will look good in the face of rockets and ChTZ, specifically enterprises, but in general, the standard of living in the cities and the country's development is not a flagship? but it is not your merit and problems. Forward to the victory of the Bubble over the uniform development of the whole country!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: antivirus

now you only have the assembly

Do not smack nonsense, it hurts. Antivirus, I held back for a long time, but it’s just impossible to read.
Let it be known to you that the military-industrial complex at one time introduced the 20 + 1 rule. This rule indicates that the state is ready to pay a margin of exactly 1% of the cost for all purchased products and assemblies. This was specifically done to exclude gasket companies that do nothing themselves but have a lot of resale. And if the military-industrial complex retained only the assembly, then it would have made profit only for the assembly.
At the same time, the military representative will not just accept the same purchased units from the defense industry enterprise - he will force them to submit the manufacturer's estimates to them, confirmed by the military mission operating on the manufacturer’s territory. I am silent about the new system of special accounts.

[antivirus]

put me minus and so
I'm talking about the development of the entire defense industry, are you about order in the defense order, and about garages there is no such thing in the country?

[Alf]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

The difference in the salary of the top (commercial, financial director, production director, etc.) and the skilled worker is two and a half, well, three times maximum. And it happens and a half.

What? Two or a half times? At Kuznetsovo ZP, the worker’s specialist is 30-35 thousand, the director’s corps BEGINS with 500 thousand.

[antivirus]

Do not break the faith of the dreamer, he writes well. lose inspiration

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Alf

On Kuznetsovo ZP specialist workers-30-35 thousand

I’m talking about what I saw myself.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Dmitry, have you worked a lot at defense industry enterprises to write this? I have seen several such enterprises, I have never seen any "tenfold" ones. The difference in the salary of the top (commercial, financial director, production director, etc.) and a skilled worker is two and a half, well, three times the maximum. And sometimes one and a half. At the last place of work, the salary of top managers is approximately three times higher than the average salary of a worker in the plant. So average, not skilled workers.

Samara "Motorostroitel" - head of the galvanizing shop - 3,5-4 million rubles of average annual income, including all bonuses.
The average salary in galvanic is from 18 to 25 thousand.
How many times will that be the difference?


Pens, notebooks, rulers, heaters - all are bought by employees themselves, for their money ...
For it does not stand out.
Save pancake.

[Tochilka]

One to one as in our factory! 46 deputies alone !!! And an artistic whistle in the media what awesome developments we have. Meanwhile, highly skilled workers have been reduced.

[Alf]

Quote: Tochilka

One to one as in our factory! 46 deputies alone !!! And an artistic whistle in the media what awesome developments we have. Meanwhile, highly skilled workers have been reduced.

You are not talking about PJSC Kuznetsov, are you talking? You describe the picture as you look into the water.

[Tochilka]

PJSC Mikron Zelenograd

[Alf]

Quote: Tochilka

PJSC Mikron Zelenograd

Hmm, the offices are different, the picture is the same.

[Tavrik]

Enterprises come in many forms of ownership. Not all state ones.

[pavelty]

Of course, the hard workers who are at the machine should also receive money, and lending from banks for enterprises at insane interest is a so-so successful solution ... and why comrades are weaving about pensioners, I did not understand

[ximkim]

So they survive now. These loans, this is a noose for enterprises. Again .. our defense industry is created only for the production of what attacks and what defends. (And the sales market does not increase accordingly). oriented., therefore, a pit with a requesting hand will be quiet and slow ..

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

The defense industry enterprises survived without orders in the period from about 1995 to 2008 but, and many more. Someone who survived, but of course loaned by the most indulge, so the decision to restructure the right

Yes, every 3-4 years all defense industry debts are written off from us if you don’t remember, but that doesn’t prevent them from collecting as much again in 3-4-5 years that they would again be removed from the state ...
UralWagonFactory the state issued almost 30 billion money to pay off debts in 2016-2017, so what?
In 2016, with an annual revenue of less than 100 billion rubles, the plant had real debts - 276 billion rubles!

In 2018, after many injections from the state, the debt became 150 billion rubles.
But it’s still 20 times more profit ...

And most importantly - URALWagonZavod - kills all its allies with its defaults.

All subcontractors did the work, paid for their purchases, paid their employees, and UralVagonZavod refuses to pay them ...
And then what?
Do you know how factories and enterprises crumble due to the crisis of non-payments? Especially if you don’t have a powerful hand in government?

Instantly, the director will also go to prison according to the Labor Code of the Russian Federation.

Not only the Ministry of Defense is suing Uralvagonzavod, many companies are suing him, and the number of cases does not decrease much from month to month. In March, UVZ received 14 claims, in April - 16, in May - 15, in June - 10, in July - 14, and since the beginning of August - 5.
The range of activities of organizations suing Uralvagonzavod and the amount of claims are interesting. Izhstal plant (producer of stainless and special steel grades) requires 88,077 thousand rubles from it, SG-Trans (carrier of petrochemical goods) - 30,914 thousand, Ugra bank - 91,617 million, Uralstankoservis (supplier of machine tools ) - 1,017 million, the Federal Freight Company - over a million (in two lawsuits) Lytkarinsky Optical Glass Plant - almost 9,9 million (two lawsuits), Degtyarev Plant (manufacturer of small arms and cannon weapons) - about 24 million (two lawsuits) ) “The flow of claims against the Uralvagonzavod testifies to his lack of temporarily free funds. And they would not have been served if the company paid its contractors in time. As a rule, lawsuits are filed with the courts when all payment terms stipulated by the contracts have already passed ”

Our defense industry has rotted - the entire top rotten ...

[St Petrov]

If we divide 750 billion rubles into 46 million pensioners, we get 16 thousand 300 rubles per person. That is, in fact, the equivalent of 2 minimum pensions per person. Amounts seem huge, but do not forget about retirees or strategic enterprises. Many of the defense industry enterprises collected debts in both dollar and ruble at very high interest rates and many even now cannot be re-credited due to the pre-bankrupt state of debts.

your formula does not have enough time - you need to divide by the number of years during which these debts were collected.

And these 16 300 too. divide by 10 years (conditional) and there payment is received at 1,63 tr per year and if you calculate how much per month ..

it’s from the category to remove deputies and divide their salary. Amount seems prohibitive - until you divide by 40 million

[Serg65]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And why not retirees and low-income debts for a communal apartment?

Ukraine, Nazarii, will write everything off to you!

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

What time? !! And why not retirees and low-income debts for a communal apartment? Give people the opportunity to rest, rather than endless running in a wheel?

As in the joke:
Question to Putin: - how can I live on a pension of 10000 rubles?
The answer is yes, and he did not hold such money in his hands.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And why not retirees and low-income debts for a communal apartment?

In our kingdom-state, all assistance is only to banks and the mining sector. Even the notorious "Family Car" program, promoted as helping large families and stimulating the car industry, is in fact nothing more than compensation for bank interest, because you can use this program ONLY if you buy a car on credit.
But the constant reorganization of banks has already eaten up billions, while the top managers of these banks received bonuses for "successful activities, and they do."

[Cycle boss]

They will be relieved of debts, and perhaps this enterprise will not have to carry out optimizations .. and optimization for the common people has never promised anything good .. but this is not accurate. Maybe there are pluses to this .. wait and see.

[Alf]

Quote: Cycle Boss

Relieve debt, and perhaps this company will not have to carry out optimization ..

Debt relief and staff reduction are two unrelated things in modern Russia.

[Ros 56]

Pensioners as a rule do not have debts for a communal apartment, I myself live among such people, so pay a red-skinned one, otherwise the sheriff will come.

[U-58]

Indeed, why ?.
And because debt cancellation is a great acquisition in private pockets.
And writing off to pensioners is, on the contrary, a loss from their pockets ..

[Runoway]

Well cool! Of course, I completely agree that the state support of the defense industry complex is mandatory, but it smacks of concrete laundering

[Cut Samshitov]

Quote: Runoway

Well cool! Of course, I completely agree that the state support of the defense industry complex is mandatory, but it smacks of concrete laundering

Before writing off debts, it doesn't hurt to compare the millions of salaries of "effective managers" in charge of the defense industry complex and the penny salaries of ordinary workers. If managers are so "effective", then where are the debts from?

[Runoway]

Absolutely agree!!! From such news, I immediately recall that there is not enough money in Almaty and much more, and we trade like fighters for palm oil! Managers on export do not work absolutely

[Serg65]

Quote: Sawing Boxwood

If managers are so "effective", then where are the debts from?

From hard workers! One needs to change the car, then the apartment ... give me money?

[Serg65]

Quote: Runoway

smacks of concrete laundering

And the nature of the origin of these debts is not comme il faut?

[bessmertniy]

They cheated on women, lost cards, ate in restaurants. Enough? Or do you need a complete list of this nature?

[Serg65]

Quote: bessmertniy

Or do you need a complete list of this nature?

To what? You do not already know the origin of these debts!

Quote: bessmertniy

They cheated on women, lost cards, ate in restaurants

Are these your pipe dreams?

[SSR]

Quote: Runoway

Well cool! Of course, I completely agree that the state support of the defense industry complex is mandatory, but it smacks of concrete laundering

I know "one" enterprise, which has actually become the second city-forming enterprise, which is trying to be / become a competitive and import-substituting enterprise, has gathered specialists of engineers and technologists from all over Russia! But here's the plug, you need modern equipment and areas for them, but where can you get money for a workshop of 7500 m2, for modern equipment and starting raw materials to start production? Unfortunately, management efficiency is also present, but you cannot get a modern enterprise out of an empty state. There are many more reasons, but write-offs and restructuring should help. At least for previously completed orders, they will pay off and not interest will be extinguished to the bank. Other smaller ones have fulfilled the order, spent materials and money, and are now waiting for the UAC type * to pay the remaining money.

[Graz]

debt relief should be accompanied by the transfer of enterprises to state ownership, if it is ao, zao and tp

[kjhg]

Quote: Graz

debt relief should be accompanied by the transfer of enterprises to state ownership, if it is ao, zao and tp

I also wanted to write about it. In general, writing off debts is the most economically inefficient step for improving the enterprise. Better and more efficient is loading orders for the products of a given enterprise for an appropriate amount. But since they were about to write off, everything should be civilized, otherwise it smacks of real corruption. Debt write-offs should be accompanied by the transfer of assets, to the appropriate amount, into state ownership, if they are in private hands. If they are already owned by the state, then a full audit of the activities of the enterprise with the relevant organizational findings, the adoption of anti-crisis measures, etc. should be carried out.

[Ros 56]

And I will support this idea.

[Shadow041]

It’s time to nationalize defense enterprises ...

[Ingvar 72]

And managers pay bonuses according to the results of the enterprise.

[Ros 56]

It is interesting that for the animal you rolled out a minus for such an offer.

[Ingvar 72]

See the manager.

[aszzz888]

and defense industry enterprises are not able to pay loans to financial institutions, often sending all profits to pay off interest, thereby increasing profitsat,

Bankers are fattening as before. They at least a global flood, still heated up by profit. And the news in itself is good, people at enterprises will be guaranteed to produce salaries.

[askort154]

aszzz888 ....Bankers are fattening as before.

There is one! Sberbank's net profit, which Gref reports to the president every year:
2017 - 674 billion rubles.
2018 - 831 billion rubles.
2019 - 870 billion rubles.
At the same time, his face always shines, and I want to shout - give him a lemon in his mouth.

[aszzz888]

askort154 (Alexander) Today, 10:37 ... Moreover, his face always shines, and you want to shout - give him a lemon in his mouth.

Thank you for the brief statistics. And although I know her - no words, only emotions.

2019 - 870 billion rubles.

I wonder how much train. wagons if denominations of 1000 rubles?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: aszzz888

I wonder how much train. wagons if denominations of 1000 rubles?

Yes, no matter how many were, all these funds are spent extremely inefficiently, and have almost no effect on the development of the economy.

[Piramidon]

Quote: aszzz888

I wonder how much train. wagons if denominations of 1000 rubles?

Left behind from life. Money has long been measured not in suitcases and wagons, but in gigabytes. A few keystrokes and debts written off (or accrued)

[Ros 56]

And along the face of the face. salaries for girls' operators are ridiculous, interest on deposits is scanty. A heel hits my chest, I'm an effective manager. And whoever receives it decently does not see the light of white. Capitalism however.

[Strashila]

Information on the 20 billion savings of the Pension Fund seems a joke against this background.
That's where you need to properly clean up.

[signifera]

That's right. This is not the production of refrigerators or canned goods. Only the state can buy their products for themselves or for export. How should they live, survive and develop, if the state does not load them. All their debts are the fault of the state. Or let them sell tanks and other things to the public. If there are no roads, so the demand will be good)))). In general, all these enterprises should be 100% owned by the state, again, they do not produce toasters.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Signifer

Or let them sell tanks and other things to the public. If there are no roads, so the demand will be good))))

No need to be so dramatic. There are roads. And if everyone will ride on them in tanks, then then they definitely will not be.

[signifera]

Well, I agree, there are roads. But not everyone still has asphalt, where there is rubble, and where just the ground - until the first rain. And where are asphalt roads, like, so there the coating is destroyed so that you can shoot reports about Syria or Donbass. On the repaired after a month already track or new holes. But
since last year, we decided not to repair the drogues with us, so to cover up the little things or fill up the holes with rubble. We do not take Moscow into account, there are roads, I saw it. I even envy.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Signifer

We do not take Moscow into account, there are roads, I saw it. I even envy.

I don’t know your address and in what remote village you live, but I live far from the Moscow Ring Road, in the Vologda Oblast. In all of its regional and district centers I can easily get on a completely normal freeway. Most likely, you do not live in the countryside, and do not even leave the door of your house’s entrance, but draw information about the state of Russian roads from the messages of liberal trolls who roam around the outskirts with cameras and collect photos of all rubbish bins, abandoned houses intended for demolition , and roads in broken alleys, and even with its own Photoshop editing.

[signifera]

)))) is funny. Novosibirsk I have two cars and it's time for the second time I have a WU on time. You can get there - you can’t argue here. But it is necessary to maneuver constantly so that pits go around and wells that are either higher or lower than the canvas level, or everything is knocked out around them. And there is a street where you can’t go round at all, you roll from pit to pit. Sorry for the car. In winter, not everyone and often do not clean the streets, which additionally creates obstacles. You haven’t been in the region, I won’t say anything about the roads. Often I go to the Kemerovo region, the track is constantly being repaired, but it is still in waves, with holes, with a track. Signs, warnings about bumps and speed limits are poked everywhere, although I don’t want to fly there. Not to mention that it is two-way, the traffic is always such that tails gather behind trucks and low-speed vehicles. There are very few overtaking sites. And you must always go in suspense, because you have to peek out the next hole. Permanent accidents, people crash, a lot of deaths. Even in good clear weather, 450 km, you can travel 7 hours or more and come exhausted, although I am not driving in a car, since there is no way to go around any timber truck going 50 km / h and everyone is crawling behind it, but crawling in both directions. Four stripes - no? Why, let the people endure further. I don’t know what kind of photoshop and other things are in question, I say that I see it myself. was abroad, saw and NORMAL roads, traveled along them. Whoever does not have such an opportunity can see them in films, series, news, magazines. Or say everywhere there is Photoshop and the completion of graphics? The films are now dark, any country can be seen. And maybe we evaluate the quality differently? For me, the road is flat asphalt, marking. The car goes without hesitation, vibration, swaying, shocks, etc. If there are holes, roughnesses, cracks in the asphalt, the wells are not level, the waves and track are a bad road. In principle, these are GOSTs and are described. And also storms. During and after the rain, water must flow out of the road, but no, everywhere there are puddles and flooding, even in light rains. I slow down so as not to douse other cars and pedestrians, but there are bad people who fly specially. Something like that.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Signifer

)))) is funny. Novosibirsk

I don’t know how you are in Novosibirsk. It has not been east of the Kurgan since ancient Soviet times. Yes, here in Vologda the authorities do not reach the outskirts either. But in the last 7-8 years, the main city streets are maintained in good condition. It even dawned on the yards, which I am generally not very happy about. If before, before our yard was asphalted, I didn’t worry about my grandchildren riding scooter bikes there, now I’m looking at how some wisps, delighted on smooth roads, drive around the yard at a speed of 60-70 km / h and they don’t look at the fact that everywhere because of a number of parked cars that do not provide a view, a person can get out, I myself am ready to dig holes again across the road.

[signifera]

We have speed bumps stacked. To not drive. It helps a little. A few pieces along the house do not give much acceleration. But they are not expensive, I studied the issue, I want to add with us, 10-15 thousand without installation, not the cheapest and not the most expensive of rubber. Two years ago, too, the central streets were constantly repaired here, not very smoothly, but they were watched. Sometimes they went to secondary ones. And last year they didn’t start in the spring, so they left this year. They are doing something, but a drop in the ocean. The mayor of the Communist Party brings everything to the EP, such as interfering, I don’t know who is there, it seems that they really share the money.

[antivirus]

Even in good clear weather 450km you can go 7 hours or more and come exhausted, although I am not traveling by car, as there is no way to go around

not a topic - quote from you - 20 years ago IT WAS TO BORN CHILDREN (OR CREATE CONDITIONS) FOR POPULATION OF TERRITORIES. Now there would be car owners, payers of taxes for the repair of building roads. in 2020, the density and quality of roads in 2040-50gg is determined. already started to pay for the first.
in 2030 - for the obligation to give birth "in 5 years" will give 200-300tr?
there is a capital turnover rate and so on garbage - ask Andr from Chelyaba - you can not spend more than the standard for 1 square meter. the proportion of costs must be observed. everybody on the road - what about teachers? doctors? these "state employees" themselves spend little money, more concrete and rags to wipe the boards - builds, maintenance, repairs, inflate balloons at the entrance for the holidays, and the number of expensive analyzes, film projects, shoe covers, light bulbs not for 10 rubles - for 120 rubles,
schoolchildren used to cut trees around the school - how now?
there are also embankments, mountains, parks,
20 years ago (and earlier), they used to take children on sledges in winter, they can't drive through the snow in a stroller, 5-10 years ago the cry "does not clean the mountains admin-I" have seen enough movies about California? life is not unambiguously developing, but we are developing not standing still.

[Guards turn]

The Ministry of Defense lodged claims on 410 million rubles to the manufacturer Tornado, Smercha and Grada The Russian Ministry of Defense demands to recover more than 410 million rubles from PJSC Motovilikhinsky Plants. It is reported by REGNUM. The lawsuit has not yet been accepted for production.

On February 12, 2020, the application was filed with the Moscow Arbitration. The defendant is a holding company that works on the MLRS Tornado-G, Grad, Smerch and Tornado-S.

These MLRS, we recall, were developed by specialists of the Tula FSUE GNPP "Alloy".

Primorsky enterprise, 39,99% owned by Rostec State Corporation. In total, PJSC is the contractor for more than 60 contracts with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

Earlier, a similar lawsuit was filed against Kalashnikov Concern JSC (Udmurtia).

[faterdom]

I don’t understand at all, why are there banks?
Well, they would, at their own peril and risk, finance advanced developments with their resources that the army and navy would like to acquire ... But when did the state armament programs use budget money through banks ??? At interest? This is wrecking, in its pure uncluttered form - all that the bank strips away will not be received by the army.
And what, the care of the state and society is still banks? Or the army?

[carstorm 11]

these debts did not appear yesterday. Now the system has changed, but most debts have a very long history.

[Serg65]

Quote: carstorm 11

these debts did not appear yesterday. Now the system has changed, but most debts have a very long history.

Is this interesting to anyone? With this you will not get on an armored car!

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: carstorm 11

these debts did not appear yesterday. now the system has changed

The old, Yeltsin system lasted a little over 8 years. New, Putin, already over 20 has exceeded. Maybe enough already to refer to the dark past? The creator of these debts actually now sits on the throne. Maybe from the money for its maintenance, these debts should be covered? At 5 years old, it is quite possible to meet the deadlines.

[Salty]

Quote: Lannan Shi

The old, Yeltsin system lasted a little over 8 years. New, Putin, already over 20 has exceeded. Maybe enough already to refer to the dark past?

A simple analogy: it takes a couple of seconds to break a leg. To cure it, you need orders of magnitude more time. Yeltsin broke firewood, Putin is fixing it. Repairing is harder and longer.

Quote: Lannan Shi

Maybe from the money for its maintenance, these debts should be covered? At 5 years, it is quite possible to meet

Let's count it again? Last time you did it badly ...

[Serg65]

Quote: Lannan Shi

The creator of these debts actually now sits on the throne

Creator? There are two creators, one 13 years old, as he had already rested in a Bose, a friend is still alive!

Quote: Lannan Shi

At 5 years old, it is quite possible to meet the deadlines.

Madame Shea, you and your accomplices cannot rehabilitate themselves before the peoples of the former USSR for 30 years already, but for that you want to raise the country's economy in 5 years!

[carstorm 11]

what does Yeltsin have to do with it? read the questions themselves and understand when the changes began and why.

[paul3390]

It’s time to create a state bank, to say the Treasury, and let all state money go through it only. There is nothing for the bankers to fatten on the official dough.

[kjhg]

Well, you're an adult! I do not believe that you do not understand why the system is built in this way, and not otherwise, as if it were more reasonable, as you suggest. In the existing parasitic system, everything is complicated not because they don’t know how to do it differently, but on the contrary, everything is done so that when you overcome each step of this staircase you can nibble off a piece of cake. But the tweaking ones are not some random people, but who the people need. That is why the country cannot develop normally. For every really working person, there are several dozen parasites, the number of which is only growing.

[Alf]

Quote: faterdom

But when are state arms programs budget money through banks ??? At interest?

This is kudrinomika. All money is only through banks and loans.

[Dmitry Makarov]

On behalf of the Russian People, I fully support the cancellation of debts of the Russian defense industry.
It was still not enough that our defense enterprises owed someone. Their duty is to create Weapons as much as possible and better!

[vadsonen]

On behalf of the Russian People, I fully support the cancellation of debts of the Russian defense industry.

Who are you to speak on behalf of a whole nation?

[Dmitry Makarov]

And you don’t poke me, I did not pass pigs with you.

[vadsonen]

Sorry, monsieur, do not deign to disclose your rank, position and social position, allowing you to declare on behalf of a whole people?

[Ross xnumx]

750 billion rubles of debts written off to Russian defense industry enterprises

The cynicism of power goes wild. Do you know why? That is why:

... 90% of the debts of the Russian defense industry enterprises fall on: the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), Uralvagonozavod (UVZ), High-Precision Complexes and Almaz-Antey. The loan portfolio of the defense industry is about 2 trillion. rubles and defense industry enterprises unable to repay loans to financial institutions, often sending all profits to pay off interest, thereby increasing the profits of banks, instead of investing in production and paying salaries.

Do you understand the trick? The state will give all the money to the banks, which, with their and the Central Bank of Russia “credit policy”, have turned the entire population of the country into debtors, and the remaining afloat sectors will “bankrupt” in the most unscrupulous manner. And we are witnesses of how during the crisis the state gave billions of our money to us (“withdrawn from us in the form of unpaid salaries and pensions, taxes and levies) for the“ capitalization of banks ”:

Russian President Vladimir Putin signed Federal Law No. 26-FZ of December 2014, 448 "On Amending Article 23 of the Federal Law" On the Federal Budget for 2014 and for the Planning Period of 2015 and 2016 ".
The document gives the Government of the Russian Federation the right to make, in order to increase the capitalization of Russian banks, a property contribution of the Russian Federation to the property of the State Corporation "Deposit Insurance Agency" in the amount of up to 1 trillion rubles. Such a contribution is planned to be made through the transfer of federal loan bonds.
Recall that the Government of the Russian Federation proposed directing funds from the federal budget to additional capitalization of banks. The Bank of Russia also supported the recapitalization of banks, whose too small capital prevents them from issuing a sufficient number of loans.

Got it? It is necessary to give money to banks, because they can no longer give loans ...
Here, not only the mind cannot be understood, but criminal penalties cannot be measured ...

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Is it so easy to write off 375 billion rubles of inefficient expenses?

Can write off "ineffective managers" for such statements and start with the Deputy Prime Minister !?

[Alf]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

start with vice premier!

Only with the deputy prime minister or with his employer?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Serg65

And the nature of the origin of these debts is not comme il faut?

If you believe it
The total debt of domestic defense enterprises is about 2,3 trillion rubles. Debts began to accumulate back in the 2000s, when the annual interest on loans reached 23 percent. State aid was provided to enterprises, but it did not cover all costs.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

What time? !! And why not retirees and low-income debts for a communal apartment? Give people the opportunity to rest, rather than endless running in a wheel ?!

Just because there are catastrophically more necessary things compared to prosperous ones (????) (inflation in minutes will gobble up any supplements to pensions, forgot, scoundrel, as we were all millionaires, but were poor anyway?) . Any additions to salaries and pensions in our economy are not effective. Inflation is held back not by COMPETITION AND COOPERATELY RISING TAX SCALE, but by the lack of money among the population. You will be the first to yell that you were again robbed if you denationalized the economy, giving industry to private hands.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Victor March 47

Any additions to salaries and pensions in our economy are not effective.

Output?

[Victor March 47]

Quote: ROSS 42

750 billion rubles of debts written off to Russian defense industry enterprises

The cynicism of power goes wild. Do you know why? That is why:

... 90% of the debts of the Russian defense industry enterprises fall on: the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), Uralvagonozavod (UVZ), High-Precision Complexes and Almaz-Antey. The loan portfolio of the defense industry is about 2 trillion. rubles and defense industry enterprises unable to repay loans to financial institutions, often sending all profits to pay off interest, thereby increasing the profits of banks, instead of investing in production and paying salaries.

Do you understand the trick? The state will give all the money to the banks, which, with their and the Central Bank of Russia “credit policy”, have turned the entire population of the country into debtors, and the remaining afloat sectors will “bankrupt” in the most unscrupulous manner. And we are witnesses of how during the crisis the state gave billions of our money to us (“withdrawn from us in the form of unpaid salaries and pensions, taxes and levies) for the“ capitalization of banks ”:

Russian President Vladimir Putin signed Federal Law No. 26-FZ of December 2014, 448 "On Amending Article 23 of the Federal Law" On the Federal Budget for 2014 and for the Planning Period of 2015 and 2016 ".
The document gives the Government of the Russian Federation the right to make, in order to increase the capitalization of Russian banks, a property contribution of the Russian Federation to the property of the State Corporation "Deposit Insurance Agency" in the amount of up to 1 trillion rubles. Such a contribution is planned to be made through the transfer of federal loan bonds.
Recall that the Government of the Russian Federation proposed directing funds from the federal budget to additional capitalization of banks. The Bank of Russia also supported the recapitalization of banks, whose too small capital prevents them from issuing a sufficient number of loans.

Got it? It is necessary to give money to banks, because they can no longer give loans ...
Here, not only the mind cannot be understood, but criminal penalties cannot be measured ...

Unicellular amoebas, of course, are not able to distinguish CHARGE from PAYMENT for the debtor. Hence the stink.

[Burdock]

The good news is to attract those figures who caused such debts. On this wave, Armat could have been assembled at least a little.

[Vyacheslav p]

It is high time. We write off to the Africans, but to our own defense industry.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Victor March 47

Any additions to salaries and pensions in our economy are not effective.

Output?

The way out to which the government and the whole society will decide is known, but not possible now. FULL privatization of the means of production. Full privatization of production. The transfer to the government of ONLY management functions, removing from it the functions of a participant in business. Control, budget management, but, in the framework of private production, competition. Example - an official has only the right and obligation to manage the rail track, while maintaining and maintaining its high-quality operation. Through the conclusion of repair contracts and so on.
All other property in Russian Railways is private. Train brigades, stations, depots, carriage facilities. The state has rails. EVERYTHING All private operators. The state may block the passage of ANY company for violating laws, security, quality of service, INCREASE PROFIT over and above the reasonable, and approved by the state, norms. Blocked, sit at home. pay taxes, pay salaries to employees, but income will be zero. It is not possible to sell such a company with encumbrance. No one will pay other people's debts. And in such conditions TRY !!!. But bureaucrats can neither sell rails, nor lease, nor corporatize.


Question- who will pay him a bribe? Yes. who needs it?
Bottom line - BY CINEMA PROPERTY, THE STATE is steering tax with trilliard assets.
Also with oil, also with gas .....

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Burdock

The good news is to attract those figures who caused such debts. On this wave, Armat could have been assembled at least a little.

The government is subsidized, subsidizing semi-standing production facilities that are unable to work in connection with the destruction of all economic relations, for example, for the Maidan in Ukraine, in order to save workshops, preserve teams and equipment. What are you chopping, ignoramus?

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Volvo Penta

It remains only to understand and forgive ...

By the way, after the cancellation of debts, the entire leadership of the military-industrial complex will write itself bonuses as effective managers ...

This is for the President. Since the military-industrial complex is in the hands of the state. Call and demand ....

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

Is it so easy to write off 375 billion rubles of inefficient expenses?

Can write off "ineffective managers" for such statements and start with the Deputy Prime Minister !?

We can even hang not only them, but also their family, up to 7 knees. Will this help?
Ask from comrade V.I. Lenin for such a device of the RSFSR, and with comrade I.V. Stalin for dividing a single country into republics, and even with the right to leave the USSR. This is precisely what caused the collapse. BORDERS. There were none. Only Poland and Finland, then having a national education and borders, fell off.
Look at the world today. No state with such a device is durable. Ireland is about to fall off, Scotland, Wallonia. Kurdistan......

[Alf]

Quote: Victor March 47

Look at the world today. No state with such a device is durable.

Does the US example say anything? Under their constitution, each state has the right to secession from the United States. What state was released?

[Arg107]

The question of backfill, where to make a poor financier?

[BREAKTHROUGH READY]

The key rate is more likely an indicator of the health of the economy. It depends on REAL inflation and pledged risks.

[Alex Justice]

We have a mortgage of 4 percent

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Where did such debts come from?
Unclear.
The guarantor raised the country from its knees, re-equipped the army, the factories are loaded with work until the very 2040th year. Tanks T-72, T-70, Armata, etc. are already knocking at the door. Su-57, Ka-52, Mi-28 went into series, in the troops and abroad.
Ships and submarines with Caliber have scared the whole world.
All plants have been operating in 3 shifts for many years. Everyone is happy and satisfied. Attention Question:
Where did such debts come from?
Apparently who works that and milk, so it turns out?
And of course, our sun-assured guarantor just found out about it!

[BREAKTHROUGH READY]

Where did such debts come from?

Officials shift from one pocket to another, master the state budget, rob taxpayers. In the 90s they bred suckers into "thimbles", and now in large chairs they say "twist, twirl, I want to confuse."

The guarantor raised the country from its knees, reequipped the army, and the factories were loaded with work for the most 2040th year.

You see, we've done a good job, now we need to snatch into our own pockets with the permission of the sovereign. After all, each "steward" is in his place for a reason, he is a godfather, brother, matchmaker or a friend in the judo section.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi

Attention question:
Where did such debts come from?

Once again :)))) From the period 1991-2009 when the military-industrial complex practically had no orders

[antivirus]

practically had no orders

had orders, including to warehouses. just support the manufacturer. and then the state defense order did not solve all the problems of the defense industry

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: antivirus

had orders, including to warehouses.

I can only repeat - do not write nonsense, please. In the 90s, what was ordered under the USSR was still being completed, but there inflation was furious, and they did not pay on time, so the enterprises were in huge losses, and from the second half of the 90s orders went down. What was given to the military-industrial complex in those years was a miser, and even that was stolen before reaching enterprises

[antivirus]

I agree................................................. .................. briefly prohibited

[sanik2020]

So they constantly said that the Russian defense industry was overwhelmed with orders and almost stunned by profits, but now it turned out that it would be impossible to survive without writing off debts.

[BREAKTHROUGH READY]

So they constantly said

and you and ears hung up?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: sanik2020

So they constantly said that the Russian defense industry was overwhelmed with orders and almost stunned by profit

Since 2010, approximately. And before that was the period 1991-2009

[iouris]

Do not envy the defense industry. The defense industry budget is approximately $ 750 billion.

[Yeraz]

so where are the debts from if there is a sale of weapons.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Alf

Quote: Victor March 47

Look at the world today. No state with such a device is durable.

Does the US example say anything? Under their constitution, each state has the right to secession from the United States. What state was released?

What are the names of all states that have in their name the nationality of this state in history.

I would have looked at the free will of the people of the state. And, especially not when everything is good, but when everything is bad.

Mordvinians have no division into moksha, erzyu. And, therefore, they consider themselves a single people. But, if someone would have thought of quarreling, then the Republic of Mordovia would have been composed of the Erzya region and the Moksha region. Moksha is more numerous. And such a division would work much faster than otherwise. A year later, they would have fought because of a lake, a meadow,
Have you read Sholokhov's Virgin Lands Upturned for a long time? What did Razmetnov say to Davydov about the spring fights between the Cossacks? "The lines are to blame, the lines are because of them, the damned ...."
Here the boundaries between the republics exploded. Especially, relocation and cutting from one to another helped a lot to get into a quarrel. Crimea recall?

[Alf]

The split in the USA.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Arg107

The question of backfill, where to make a poor financier?

What did you bring here? Bank rates? And can it be less than or equal to the level of inflation? Learn to control inflation, then tweet. It can be made zero. Easily. Do not pay money from the word at all. To nobody. Price increases will stop. There will even be a decline. For a buyer who has at least a penny, they will begin to hunt. Low prices. But the budget will die, bater and that’s it. Dash-on-dash will change in the streets.

Our profit is not limited by anything. Network structures will not move their ears for 500% of profits. And Bill Gates gave 9 billion to charity so that they would not pay taxes. So cheaper. They have 5% per year, the limit that does not ruin production.
The Swede pays 75% of taxes from big business. hard worker at the machine-25%. Such, here is Swedish socialism.

[cat Rusich]

The defense industry enterprises could "credit" the State, then write off debts ... for example, like Cuba. But from Ukraine "three rubles of Yanukovych "to collect, you can even land (Novorossiya).

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Alf

The split in the USA.

300 thousand. This, of course, is power. The real indignation will begin when there is nothing to eat in the stores.
But we will wait a long time. If only because they can print green as much as they want. Others will have to pay for this issue.
Such a trick, someone asks for a loan. Trillion, for example. They will, be calm. Turn on the machine and print. At 1% per annum, as much as you want. Give how much to them? 1% of the trillion- 10 billion. And the body of duty. Give. Papers can be burned, they are dummies, not provided ANYTHING. But, these percentages are provided by the labor of those who used the loan. This is real money. So those 10 billion are taken from the air. Hold it in your hands. During the abolition of the Bretton Woods system, since 1978, thousands of such somersaults have done. What makes the penguin economy swell? From the mind? No, from deception.