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Why "Stalin shot Suvorov": Nikita Mikhalkov on modern education

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The subject of education is often raised in programs, including on federal channels. The next issue of Besogon decided to devote this topic to Nikita Mikhalkov. To begin with, he cited excerpts from past shows where journalists interviewed young people and ordinary passers-by on the streets. It turned out that such a dialogue is possible:


Journalist with a certain share of irony and provocativeness:
The victory over fascism in the Great Patriotic War was won by the USSR under the leadership of Stalin. And then Stalin issued an order to execute the commander Alexander Suvorov. What do you think about it?

Young man on the street:

I think that Stalin did this ... without thinking. I would have awarded Suvorov in his place.

The following is the material of the associate professor of the journalism department of Moscow State University, where the data on the so-called installation dictation are announced. It is reported that if 3-4 freshmen usually do not cope with the dictation, then this year 82% of those who wrote, including those who scored 100 points in the USE in the Russian language, made 8 or more errors on the text page.

The associate professor calls this year's freshmen “aliens”.

The article suggests discussing what has become the unified state exam for our country, in what educational system Russia generally lives today. And why, in the end, it so happens that "Stalin shot Suvorov":
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 6 March 2020 14: 51
    +12
    You can talk and discuss a lot and for a long time ... But things are still there ...
    1. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 6 March 2020 15: 08
      +15
      In my opinion, uneducated people are becoming more and more in the world.
      More recently, I had to communicate with a group of young people, none of them knew the beginning of P and WWII.
      No one knew how the internal combustion engine works, the answers were like: well .... gasoline burns .... and the car goes. But in one they surpassed me, as expected, on the computer I was weaker. And why be surprised, grew up without him, played football and skied.
      1. tech3030
        tech3030 6 March 2020 15: 14
        +9
        And probably the answers are: the wind is blowing because the trees are swinging.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 6 March 2020 20: 34
          +4
          I thought so in the kindergarten 60 years ago. hi
          1. malyvalv
            malyvalv 7 March 2020 02: 05
            +2
            And I thought correctly. The more trees, the more rainfall brought by cyclones from the sea.
      2. Cut Samshitov
        Cut Samshitov 6 March 2020 15: 58
        +8
        He served in specific troops. Up to 90% of conscripts had higher education. For interest, we conducted a poll "the date of the start of World War II" with the political politician. A third did not answer, the rest proudly declared - June 2, 22. This was the beginning of the 1941s.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 6 March 2020 20: 42
          0
          Conscripts with higher education, but this cannot be. They just bought diplomas in the gateway and drove you in the ears.
          But I’m not surprised if freshmen and high school students in Moscow don’t know who Lenin is, then ...... I saw a direct poll from the mailbox, I immediately remembered the iPhone and thanked him very loudly for EG in very strong terms.
          1. mister-red
            mister-red 22 March 2020 21: 24
            0
            In Soviet times, if the department was not there, then welcome to the urgent, even with higher education. If it was, then 1 year lieutenant. But these castings ... it would be better if they were taken by soldiers, they were mostly stupid.
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 23 March 2020 09: 05
              0
              Are you confusing anything? They served as a soldier for a year, and two as a lieutenant. My son, my godfather, served like that for exactly a year as an ordinary.
              1. mister-red
                mister-red 29 March 2020 18: 07
                0
                Changes in the service for students appeared in the 80th and somewhere in the 81-82th they began to call until the end of the university. And after the university, the service life was 1,5-2 years. It concerned those born in the 1964-1970s, these are the children of those who were born in the war or a little earlier. For obvious reasons, there was a deep demographic pit. Prior to this, with a higher education without a department, they really served 1 year. I served 82-84 and we already had a tower and for a year no one seemed to be serving. Although it is possible because of the specifics - he served in the MP.
                The lieutenants after the department for the service saw those who came later than me and left earlier.
                But it was all so or not I can’t say.
                1. Ros 56
                  Ros 56 29 March 2020 18: 54
                  0
                  It was much earlier, he served in the seventies.
                  1. mister-red
                    mister-red 31 March 2020 19: 46
                    0
                    I got what you mean.
        2. fider
          fider 9 March 2020 09: 40
          -1
          Cut Samshitov
          "Up to 90% of conscripts had higher education."
          What is the use of your education? You have to judge by the number of startups sold and their cost.
      3. Shelest2000
        Shelest2000 6 March 2020 16: 59
        +8
        In my opinion, uneducated people are becoming more and more in the world.

        The amount of reason on earth is a constant value. But the population is growing ... (c)
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 6 March 2020 20: 46
          -1
          Strongly said. good hi The automatic editor also shows problems with the brain, until this crap was written, missed, little text.
      4. Barmaleyka
        Barmaleyka 6 March 2020 22: 26
        +1
        Quote: Blacksmith 55
        In my opinion, uneducated people are becoming more and more in the world.

        the problem is that there are fewer competent professionals; you will hear such things that you grab your head, the "specialist" in computer graphics does not know what a printer resolution is
    2. Borik
      Borik 6 March 2020 15: 16
      +10
      We have no more education in our country. Destroyed. We who grew up in the USSR were taught an order of magnitude better. So I won’t ask my granddaughter (This is when she was at school) she has one answer that we didn’t go through, we didn’t tell us about it. Okay, now she’s 19 and even though she’s studying at a financial academy and has picked up something else on the Internet, she knows much less than I do. We must now re-educate teachers and only then children.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 6 March 2020 15: 22
        -3
        There is an education. Both secondary and higher. Otherwise, brains would not flow out of the country. And schoolchildren and students would not occupy first places at international olympiads.
        1. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 6 March 2020 16: 19
          +9
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          first places at international olympiads.

          there is a difference between physical education and high sports achievement so here Olympiads in subjects and general education are on different planes
        2. Chaldon48
          Chaldon48 6 March 2020 18: 45
          +6
          Those brains are flowing that really wanted to learn and, contrary to all the difference in modern education, taught themselves. I myself know, I liked the subject of chemistry, and over the years of my studies I gathered at home a whole library and read books not only on the institute's program, and therefore I still remember a lot, but I'm 71 years old.
      2. demo
        demo 6 March 2020 15: 27
        +1
        So I won’t ask my granddaughter (This is when she was at school) she has one answer that we didn’t go through, we didn’t tell us about it.
        Errors made in this sentence. Missing punctuation marks.
        Uppercase letters are not used correctly.
        This is to say that we were better taught in the USSR. hi
        Although, I also do not shine !!!
        1. WILL
          WILL 6 March 2020 15: 35
          0
          Here it is necessary to divide the problem into two components:
          1. A modern educational base (school) ... there is certainly something to work on, training programs - We need to review, change the distribution of school hours between subjects, work on Normal textbooks.
          2. Desire and Opportunities - Learn ... unfortunately, those who have Desire - do not always have opportunities. Well, if both Desire and Opportunity coincide - you can get a completely high-quality education.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 6 March 2020 16: 05
            +5
            Welcome hi
            In Soviet times, to get normal knowledge, you just need to carefully listen to the teacher. And to consolidate knowledge at home. Now a tutor is needed - without it in any way. And then you get a schooling that is not up to the Soviet level - with grandmothers, Chad's motivation, etc.
            We must return to the Soviet school system (and I am not a supporter of the USSR). It has proven its effectiveness. And it is normal to provide teachers by raising salaries and, accordingly, requirements for admission to the pedagogical faculty.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 6 March 2020 16: 12
              +2
              I fully support! good Moreover, most of the capitalist countries have adopted the Soviet system .. and judging by my own child, I can confidently say that now the quality of education is an order of magnitude lower than it was in the USSR.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 March 2020 17: 09
                +4
                Part of the cap. countries adopted the Soviet system of teaching natural sciences. )))
            2. businessv
              businessv 6 March 2020 16: 32
              +6
              Quote: Krasnodar
              It has proven its effectiveness. And it is normal to provide teachers by raising salaries and, accordingly, requirements for admission to the pedagogical department.

              I have long wanted to post IT, but there was no reason: "In the United States, the scandalous trial of 76-year-old swindler Invar Johnson, who developed and implemented in the 1980s a system for assessing the knowledge of schoolchildren similar to the USE, has ended.
              As it turned out, Johnson posed as an expert in education for many years, while he himself with difficulty graduated from high school in Arkansas. He registered the organizations "Association for the Evaluation of the Quality of Education" and the "Pedagogical Academy of Capital City" and issued himself diplomas and certificates on his behalf. Then Johnson began to position himself as an expert - he went to schools with inspections and assigned them ratings, commented on the media and wrote several books. Seeing Johnson's popularity, some recognized experts began to write laudatory reviews of his books in order to stay in trend.
              The system of knowledge assessment described in one of Johnson's works was taken as a basis by the federal Ministry of Education during the reforms. Over the years, it was borrowed by other countries, including Russia in the form of the Unified State Exam (USE).
              The wrong thing in the USA was only suspected in the 2000s, when a number of independent examinations confirmed that the already deplorable education of Americans over the past years has noticeably worsened. During the investigation, it turned out that the author of the system actually graduated from the 8th grade of the school with low scores, and at first he issued all the letters and diplomas to himself.
              “The damage Mr. Johnson inflicted on the US education system is not in the money. This is a real disaster, the consequences of which will affect not only the current generation, but also several future ones, ”said the judge, announcing the verdict.
              Due to the fact that Johnson did not formally violate the law, posing as a specialist, he was convicted of "conducting a massive diversion in the education system of the United States of America", as well as for several light articles. Due to the age of the defendant, as well as since the defense proved that he had no anti-state intentions and had exclusively personal enrichment goals, he was sentenced to 25 years of house arrest with the payment of multi-million fines in installments not exceeding 30% of his monthly income.
              Since 2012, the US has completely abolished the assessment system of knowledge introduced in the 1980s based on Johnson's books. Experts note that the new education system that has replaced it in many respects resembles the Soviet one, although this is not declared at the official level. "(С)
              In the US today, only 86% are literate! This refers to those who know literacy (who can read).
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 March 2020 17: 12
                +5
                Nevertheless, the tower there is very high quality. Mathematics and physics are still one of the best in the world in the Russian Federation, but at MIT it is even cooler, for example.
                1. WILL
                  WILL 6 March 2020 18: 05
                  +3
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Nevertheless, the tower there is very high quality. Mathematics and physics are still one of the best in the world in the Russian Federation, but at MIT it is even cooler, for example.

                  Mutually hi about HSE - I agree, very high quality. But I categorically disagree with the rating of educational institutions! By what criteria did only ONE Russian University get into the ranking of the top 100 universities? Question to the compilers of the ranking!
                  I can say one thing, so far - due to the Soviet legacy, the system of primary and secondary education looks very decent compared to other countries .... BUT The situation needs to be drastically improved, to save the education system! Otherwise - Kirdyk.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 6 March 2020 18: 31
                    +3
                    There the system is this - if the university does not teach in English - minus so many positions, the number of grants is less than some amount - another minus, etc.
                    in addition, at Moscow State University for 100K tanks you will receive by love, to Harvard - for 5 million tanks, and if someone from the administration comes across - for life)))
                    1. WILL
                      WILL 6 March 2020 18: 39
                      0
                      Math - radishes ... still in Arabic taught! laughing
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      There the system is this - if the university does not teach in English - minus so many positions, the number of grants is less than some amount - another minus, etc. )))

                      Quote: Krasnodar

                      in addition, at Moscow State University for 100K tanks you will receive by love, to Harvard - for 5 million tanks, and if someone from the administration comes across - for life)))

                      And here I agree! Education and Bribes - Things Incompatible!
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 6 March 2020 18: 45
                        +5
                        In fact, the Arabs have different numbers. Own: ١ ٢ ٣ ٤ ٥ ٦ ٧ ٨ ٩
                        We use the Indian, which was distributed by Arab merchants - from there the name)),
                      2. WILL
                        WILL 6 March 2020 18: 47
                        +3
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        In fact, the Arabs have different numbers. Own: ١ ٢ ٣ ٤ ٥ ٦ ٧ ٨ ٩),

                        Zero - Where are you going? belay
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 6 March 2020 19: 09
                        +4
                        They have it - just a point. . Here))
                2. mister-red
                  mister-red 22 March 2020 21: 33
                  +1
                  National teams of Russia and the USA at the Mathematics Olympiad

            3. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 6 March 2020 20: 32
              +3
              Quote: Krasnodar
              We must return to the Soviet school system (and I am not a supporter of the USSR). It has proven its effectiveness. And it is normal to provide teachers by raising salaries and, accordingly, requirements for admission to the pedagogical faculty.

              I completely agree, it is also necessary to equate teachers and doctors with civil servants. . There should be a guarantee of obtaining official housing, and after fifteen to twenty years of your own .. Of course, the salary. certainly high. So it will be possible to increase the prestige of the profession, which means to raise the quality of education-medicine.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 March 2020 20: 40
                +4
                That's right. Plus tighten quality control.
          2. Alex Nevs
            Alex Nevs 6 March 2020 18: 58
            +2
            Borjomi will no longer help. The goals are different. Socialism? Oh well. Capital first of all. So mental impoverishment has long been and will be. What is the ideology? ... Such is also being. Remember in the old days Evening schools. Lenin's "Learn, learn and learn", and now "old grandfather."
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 7 March 2020 08: 18
              -1
              Quote: Alex Nevs
              Lenin's "Learn to learn and learn"

              And our rector modified this phrase, he said Learn to learn! acquire skills in working with information, learn to systematize and actively apply.
      3. Malyuta
        Malyuta 6 March 2020 16: 05
        +6
        Quote: Borik
        We have no more education in our country. Destroyed

        And we destroyed it, even Hitler did not achieve similar results as the actions of the authorities for less than 30 years.
        "If a country does not take care of the elderly and children, then this country is doomed to extinction."
        (Franklin D. Roosevelt).

        “A good government is recognized by the way it treats children, the elderly, the sick and the needy” (Horace, 65–8 BC)
        1. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs 6 March 2020 19: 00
          0
          Borka was in vain that he otchuchuchka chichotka, and Brand immediately hid behind the hill. Abroad "us" "pamoget", and "helps" for a long time.
          1. Minipig79
            Minipig79 6 March 2020 21: 19
            +1
            Oh, how cute. The fight and the hump are to blame, and the receiver, as if not at work! Of course, the gdp wholeheartedly cares for a quality education in the Russian Federation, but the boyars are not given!
            1. Alex Nevs
              Alex Nevs 7 March 2020 08: 38
              -1
              You do not see what has been done with the Armed Forces.? And this is a very expensive pleasure and very necessary. . Now all the Yeltsin’s screaming would have been labored in front of the foreigners, like 404 neighbors along with the punishers of their people.
              1. Minipig79
                Minipig79 7 March 2020 16: 16
                +1
                I see. Just orient, how much did the formation of 90 dollar billionaires contribute to the strengthening of the Armed Forces? Why is it impossible to purchase new equipment without spitting from a high bell tower on this very people, due to which this government lives?
                1. Alex Nevs
                  Alex Nevs 7 March 2020 17: 06
                  -2
                  Yes . There is such a thing. I don't know about 90. But these are their own billionaires. There would be foreign ones, they would have pushed us head-ons, for it would be necessary to further divide the country. (country 404 as an example). And capitalism is this. I must say "thank you" to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union - for they have profited (dismantled the Warsaw Treaty). All physically rich people cannot be! No way. This is the dialectic. The Communist Party of the Soviet Union tried, at the initial stage it worked (including fear), and then the cunning ones realized it, stopped working, only to divide and consume. And everything flew into the "abyss". It's just a jungle.
      4. Stas1973
        Stas1973 6 March 2020 17: 23
        +2
        They taught better because the Teachers were with a capital letter. And who is teaching now? That's the whole story
      5. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 6 March 2020 18: 51
        0
        But the show-off beat the moldezh Moget OGOGO !!! And in the slang of foreign garbage "bot". And in a pool with carbon dioxide - you can't find words at all.
      6. Shelest2000
        Shelest2000 7 March 2020 10: 00
        0
        You don’t even need to comment on these education ministers, everything is clear ...
  2. paul3390
    paul3390 6 March 2020 15: 12
    +5
    Capitalism does not need very smart and educated people, just the opposite - illiterate people make less noise and cost less. Decent education - these are only for the type of elite, technical - for a few service staff. The rest - according to the precepts of the late EU leader 1.0 - count to one hundred, be able to read the signs, sign the statement well - and the language of the owners of course. In the sense of English. And these are the heirs of the country of great scientists, engineers, workers - the USSR! Ugh ..
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 6 March 2020 15: 25
      -1
      However, the damned capitalists with science and education are in full order. Just look at the number of their scientific discoveries and advanced technical developments.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 6 March 2020 15: 30
        +6
        Yeah. Only their surnames are mostly not kosher - Chinese, Russians and even Indians come across. So with science - thanks to a vacuum cleaner, it’s really not bad, but with education .. Who do you think our liberalists have blasted all these moronic innovations in education?
        1. knn54
          knn54 6 March 2020 15: 57
          +5
          According to the Americans themselves, more than 70% of their Nobel laureates have RUSSIAN (including Belarusian, Ukrainian) roots.
          And the incentive for a good education today, alas, is one-shed over the hill.
          It should be noted that they study only for the sake of grades / points. But not gaining knowledge.
          Previously, we read books, studied in sections. Today ALL THIS has replaced the PC.
          Yes, and there is more than enough garbage in the Internet. And they can no longer "filter" or do not want to.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 6 March 2020 16: 06
            +1
            It depends on which sections. Let's say that the section is not needed for programming now - all training is remote, you only need desire. Books? Now access to them is disgraceful relief - there is any literature on the internet. And on what medium it is recorded - it does not matter. I already forgot myself when I took the "analog book" in my hands - everything on a smartphone.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 6 March 2020 16: 09
          +2
          Quote: paul3390
          Yeah. Only their surnames are mostly not kosher - Chinese, Russians and even Indians come across. So with science - thanks to a vacuum cleaner, it’s really not bad, but with education .. Who do you think our liberalists have blasted all these moronic innovations in education?

          Yes, 20 percent of Indians, Arabs, Turks, Chinese and Russians will be typed. The rest - pooh! Anglo-Saxons, not very foolish are those who self-selectively vilely bomb quietly)).
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 6 March 2020 15: 51
        +5
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        However, the cursed capitalists with science and education are in full order

        Far from complete .. very many can not afford to get a higher education .. Imagine, let’s say on the example of Russia, here we are 140 ml .. 10% are those who in the near future will be able to let them learn their child and give high-quality education .. The probability is that of 14 mil. a man will appear a genius, exactly 10 times less, in comparison with the socialist system, where everyone has the possibility of free education .. how many discoveries were made in the USSR, immigrants from workers and peasants ..
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 6 March 2020 16: 00
          +4
          We have a misfortune in another - in universities, the one who is written in the family is written to wave a broom. By mental abilities.
          For example, the United States - a student loan is available to everyone. Another thing is that not everyone at Harvard or Massachusetts technological study will pull. Again by mental abilities. In our MVTU or MAI too, although there are more than enough budget places there.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 6 March 2020 16: 06
            0
            We have a misfortune in another - in universities, the one who is written in the family is written to wave a broom. By mental abilities.

            There is such a thing .. but here you just have to be expelled for poor progress .. And I'm talking about opportunities that are greatly reduced under capitalism ..
            For example, the United States - a student loan is available to everyone.

            Firstly, not for everyone, and secondly, then they work most of their lives on this loan, and if you add a mortgage here, then you’ll be on guard, and if you put it on our Russian reality, where% is unbelievable, then there are opportunities for people tend to zero, and the state, in this situation, loses possible geniuses ..
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 6 March 2020 16: 15
              +4
              Germany, France. The first higher is free. Finland, Sweden, Belgium. The tower is free.
              My daughter received postgraduate education in France (Rene Descartes-Sorbonne University, medicine) Free of charge, she paid only for living and using the library. So much for the sinister grin of capitalism.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 6 March 2020 16: 27
                0
                Germany, France. The first higher is free. Finland, Sweden, Belgium. The tower is free.

                What do you tell me about for free .. for free there, but there are a lot of conditions .. The child must be ingenious to study there for free, but before that he must spend a lot of money on tutors, and% of free places there, 0,4 or 0,5 , 2024, if I’m not mistaken, of the total mass of students .. By the way, until XNUMX, we will also have .. I mean% of free places.
                And I also have an acquaintance who teaches his daughter at the Sorbonne .. study together with living costs him 30 tons of euros per year ..
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 6 March 2020 16: 34
                  +3
                  My was no longer a child - a young specialist, after residency. And the Sorbonne was, roughly speaking, the second residency and continuing education. Is free. Without any tutors. The basic condition is fluency in French. English-language educational programs there are really paid.
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 6 March 2020 16: 40
                    +1
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    My was no longer a child - a young specialist, after residency. And the Sorbonne was, roughly speaking, the second residency and continuing education. Is free. Without any tutors

                    Well, you see, your child is fluent in French and at the same time, I’m sure that she got a quality education in Russia too .. I don’t think that people who pay 20 years in Russia and receive a salary of 20-40 tons can afford it. .
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 6 March 2020 17: 05
                      +2
                      So hard to learn a language? Now, in the age of the Internet? Entire portals for learning and communicating with native speakers. Is free. Just have a desire.
                  2. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 6 March 2020 17: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    My was no longer a child - a young specialist, after residency. And the Sorbonne was, roughly speaking, the second residency and continuing education. Is free. Without any tutors. The basic condition is fluency in French. English-language educational programs there are really paid.

                    What specialty did you choose?
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 6 March 2020 17: 17
                      +2
                      The doctor is a clinical pharmacologist.
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 6 March 2020 17: 20
                        +3
                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        The doctor is a clinical pharmacologist.

                        Norm
                        I hope to make mine a radiotherapist and a neurosurgeon laughing
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 6 March 2020 17: 15
                  +4
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Germany, France. The first higher is free. Finland, Sweden, Belgium. The tower is free.

                  What do you tell me about for free .. for free there, but there are a lot of conditions .. The child must be ingenious to study there for free, but before that he must spend a lot of money on tutors, and% of free places there, 0,4 or 0,5 , 2024, if I’m not mistaken, of the total mass of students .. By the way, until XNUMX, we will also have .. I mean% of free places.
                  And I also have an acquaintance who teaches his daughter at the Sorbonne .. study together with living costs him 30 tons of euros per year ..

                  In Germany - 400 euros per semester for everyone.
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 6 March 2020 17: 24
                    +5
                    400 per year, this is not a tuition fee, this is a student fee - use of libraries and other goodies.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 6 March 2020 17: 24
                      +3
                      Then free
                      Although what's the difference? You mess up any
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      3. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 6 March 2020 15: 52
        -2
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Just look at the number of their scientific discoveries and advanced technical developments.

        Well, we also have enough discoveries and developments. The downside is that inventors and developers are led by "effective managers" who, as they say, are not in the teeth, but want to have their own priority in this. And if they are denied, they act according to the method, as in the play "Dowry" - "So do not get you to anyone."
        By hook or by crook, the impudent Saxons drag their candidates for the Nobel Prize, while in our country they search for or invent their own dirt on their own, so as not to put forward a prize. Therefore, they do not count the laureates, and we have enough fingers.
      4. nikvic46
        nikvic46 6 March 2020 18: 19
        0
        Andrei. Here you are right. I looked at the Nobel laureates. We had the highest peak in the 60s. The last prize in 1915 for literature.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 6 March 2020 23: 21
          +1
          Quote: nikvic46
          I looked through the Nobel laureates
          Looked badly.
          1933 - Bunin
          1958 - Parsnip
          1968 - Sholokhov
          1970 - Cofalsenitsyn
          Quote: nikvic46
          The last award in 1915 for literature.
          France.
          We have the last - Sholokhov.
      5. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 6 March 2020 19: 02
        0
        Not true. Bought minds. And they will buy. If they find educated. And they are already on the fingers.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 6 March 2020 15: 47
      0
      Quote: paul3390
      Capitalism does not need very smart and educated people, just the opposite - illiterate people make less noise and cost less

      And in our case, it’s almost feudalism .. and under the tsar the educated were 14% of the population .. You write everything correctly, that’s how it is .. you need a service who can hang noodles on your ears ..
    3. Minipig79
      Minipig79 6 March 2020 21: 21
      -1
      Unfortunately, these are not the heirs of that country. And the descendants of the prosravers of That Country.
  3. tech3030
    tech3030 6 March 2020 15: 12
    0
    In my opinion, it is time to cast out demons from this "demon" for a long time!
    1. fk7777777
      fk7777777 7 March 2020 16: 03
      0
      Russian is a very specific language, and it may make sense, guano simply drives ...
  4. Amateur
    Amateur 6 March 2020 15: 21
    +6
    The nasal gentleman sits and teaches everyone. And who was the first to start filming anti-Soviet and anti-patriotic films? Ugh on him. angry
    1. tech3030
      tech3030 6 March 2020 22: 55
      0
      It’s interesting that I’m talking about it too, and they’re minus me, but they put advantages for you, people that don’t know how to read and delve into the text! I just want to understand.
  5. Dart2027
    Dart2027 6 March 2020 15: 27
    +1
    In my opinion, this is not only about education. Man is not a computer and his brain does not work so accurately.
    When a question is asked in this wording, it may simply not occur to you that we are talking about a man who died long before Stalin was born. Was any Suvorov shot? Well there was. And who can list all the marshals and generals of the USSR in 1945? Only a specialist.
    This is like the case with General Karbyshev, who was joked about in 2013, and the scandal began a few years later, in 2019. It is unlikely that anyone who watched the program knew about the Soviet general and his death, but it never occurred to anyone to associate a humorous show with a real story.
    1. businessv
      businessv 6 March 2020 16: 21
      -2
      Quote: Dart2027
      And who can list all the marshals and generals of the USSR in 1945? Only a specialist.

      Duc to whom it was necessary to list all, colleague, this is not easy for a specialist either, and there is no need. The point is precisely in education, if people do not know our generalissimo, of whom there were only three Russian and one Soviet.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 6 March 2020 18: 38
        0
        Quote: businessv
        if people do not know our generalissimo, which were only three Russian and one Soviet
        You carefully read my post?
        Quote: Dart2027
        When a question is asked in this wording, it may simply not occur to you that we are talking about a man who died long before Stalin was born.
        I know who Suvorov is, but I’m not sure that I would immediately realize who we are talking about. In essence, magicians also distract attention.
        1. businessv
          businessv 6 March 2020 22: 39
          0
          Quote: Dart2027
          I know who Suvorov is, but I’m not sure that I would immediately realize who we are talking about. In essence, magicians also distract attention.

          Well, thank God, at least you know! No one distracts attention, for concentration there is a dialogue during which you can put everything in its place, if there is a desire.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 7 March 2020 08: 29
            0
            Quote: businessv
            No one distracts attention, for concentration there is a dialogue during which you can put everything in its place

            Why not just ask "Do you know who Suvorov is?" Why bother Stalin?
            1. businessv
              businessv 7 March 2020 11: 40
              0
              Quote: Dart2027
              Why not just ask "Do you know who Suvorov is?" Why bother Stalin?

              It seems to me because the authors of this test wanted to show that people have forgotten how to think more broadly than is suggested by the correspondent, or by the situation, to connect events, personalities and circumstances. Indeed, concentrating on Stalin, a person misses the very meaning of the asked question and its components! It’s the same as to distract your attention, tell you about the untied lanyard at a time when you need to urgently clear the way for transport, but you, of course, first step aside because you evaluate the whole situation.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 7 March 2020 12: 57
                0
                Quote: businessv
                Indeed, concentrating on Stalin, a person misses the very meaning of the asked question and its components!

                This is the essence of distraction.
                Quote: businessv
                about the untied lace at a time when it is urgent to clear the way for transport

                The example is clear, but not entirely correct. Any person will instinctively concentrate on transport, because this is a more serious factor.
  6. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 6 March 2020 15: 30
    +3
    The Roman emperor Tarquinius the Proud once said: "Extortions, taxes, hard labor - all this is part of my system of government. It is easiest for me to govern a poor and oppressed people." ©
    Two thousand years have passed .....
  7. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 6 March 2020 15: 39
    +2
    I'm still waiting for him to tell us about his uncle Misha, not everyone can serve in the SS, we should know about the "hero" or let him shoot the film.
    1. fk7777777
      fk7777777 7 March 2020 16: 00
      0
      Yeah, uncle there, dad wrote the anthem, the papa’s anthem itself slipped into the basis of the anthem of Russia, a pretzel, another one.
  8. Galleon
    Galleon 6 March 2020 15: 46
    +8
    "He spoke, wringing his hands, babble and troublemaker" ...
    Well, the great cinematographer and "aristocrat" did not make a film about A.V. Suvorov? His creative life was so long - well, he would have removed what to play in "Zhmurki" by Balobanov. Muds his gum, licks it with an air of mortal resentment, complete powerlessness, feigned ignorance and intellectual spineless indifference. Ugh!
    1. Minipig79
      Minipig79 6 March 2020 21: 23
      -1
      Just Zhmurki has repeatedly revised and will revise, in contrast to the oversight of "tired 2" and other anti-Soviet lies.
  9. Loess
    Loess 6 March 2020 16: 09
    +1
    Without touching on the problems of education, I note the following.
    What I saw in the video was leading questions to the answers that journalists needed. Girls on the issues of history to drive? Well, yes, they have frankly weak knowledge. But as far as I can remember, girls never know history. especially military, did not shine.
    The guy, of course, was stupid. On the other hand, there was a clear message - Stalin. The Great Patriotic War. Hundreds of generals. Does anyone know them all? Someone can confidently say that there was no Soviet general - the namesake of the legendary commander? Without using reference materials, any of us will name a dozen or two surnames, hardly more. Of the four hundred plus.
    1. Yury Siritsky
      Yury Siritsky 1 May 2020 12: 27
      0
      Do not be foolish, dear, the question was asked not regarding the same-name man, but Generalisimus Suvorov. Or do you think that the guy knew the Soviet Suvorov.
  10. businessv
    businessv 6 March 2020 16: 15
    0
    The associate professor calls this year's freshmen “aliens”.
    But how could it be otherwise if they speak English - Russian surzhik, thanks to television people, journalists and bureaucrats who themselves do not know how to say the word tolerance, a tendency in Russian, instead talking about tolerance and trends! How can they correctly write a dictation ?!
  11. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 6 March 2020 16: 20
    +5
    I can not stand Mikhalkov - a sort of sleek, imposing gentleman ... I won’t be surprised if he has a batman.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 6 March 2020 19: 06
      0
      Correctly. Do not be surprised. And not only the diary. He also has rational grains, but he began to present it like that - right down to diarrhea.
    2. fk7777777
      fk7777777 7 March 2020 15: 57
      +1
      To get started, take an interest. who is his uncle, especially where, when, he served, much will become clear ...
  12. nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 March 2020 18: 26
    +2
    Today I read a comment from an ordinary user: "The dream of sausage and lace panties has come true. We stopped flying in our sleep." You can treat this differently. But this is an important detail in our life.
  13. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 6 March 2020 18: 54
    -1
    Quote: Svarog
    We have a misfortune in another - in universities, the one who is written in the family is written to wave a broom. By mental abilities.

    There is such a thing .. but here you just have to be expelled for poor progress .. And I'm talking about opportunities that are greatly reduced under capitalism ..
    For example, the United States - a student loan is available to everyone.

    Firstly, not for everyone, and secondly, then they work most of their lives on this loan, and if you add a mortgage here, then you’ll be on guard, and if you put it on our Russian reality, where% is unbelievable, then there are opportunities for people tend to zero, and the state, in this situation, loses possible geniuses ..


    well, not a big part of life, but in the classic case it’s 10 years .. and thanks to specialty and knowledge, it’s still more profitable in the future than not to study - noticeably .. and no one even doubts the profitability of this loan .. plus, bonus system for good studies, sports, general activities, giving a very good student money savings ..
    Unfortunately, they have now, the level of education is on average a cut above that of us .. I'm primarily talking about universities of average ranking, it’s clear that we also have a dozen and a half excellent universities, thank God it’s preserved ..
  14. nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 March 2020 19: 59
    0
    Quote: Alex Nevs
    Borjomi will no longer help. The goals are different. Socialism? Oh well. Capital first of all. So mental impoverishment has long been and will be. What is the ideology? ... Such is also being. Remember in the old days Evening schools. Lenin's "Learn, learn and learn", and now "old grandfather."

    I myself am a supporter of socialism. But we did not manage to defeat such "qualities" as covetousness, nepotism, honor (servility), bai attitude towards subordinates. Many connections simply come from love or not love for subordinates. Whatever society is, all these vices it will be destroyed.
    1. fk7777777
      fk7777777 7 March 2020 15: 56
      0
      The bestial mentality is the basis of the destructive state.
  15. nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 March 2020 20: 06
    +1
    Why did I start making mistakes in the comments? Vision fell, I began to listen to audio books. And yet I think we have a lot of gifted young people. They just need to be given the way. But this does not always work, because we did not get rid of the bones of thinking. The more bronze appears in our state, the more we are at a loss, and what should we do.
  16. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 6 March 2020 22: 16
    +1
    Let's vote for the column in the discussion of constitutional amendments - return Soviet education !!!
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 7 March 2020 11: 29
      0
      Quote: Igor Polovodov
      Let's vote for the column in the discussion of constitutional amendments - return Soviet education !!!

      No "graph" - only "package".
    2. fk7777777
      fk7777777 7 March 2020 15: 54
      0
      Yes, and not only education ... Return.
  17. Givi_49
    Givi_49 7 March 2020 01: 08
    +1
    In the USSR, we were taught “so that we can work (as one teacher told us directly),” now they teach us so that they can consume, but we must teach so that people understand the world in which they have to live, create and create. This is a question of worldview and ideology, a question of what is not.
  18. malyvalv
    malyvalv 7 March 2020 02: 07
    +3
    Mikhalkov is the most Judaic phenomenon in the modern culture of Russia. The man who shot Burnt by the Sun drowns the most anti-Stalinist film in the world for Stalin. What could be more absurd? And this is a fact.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 7 March 2020 11: 27
      0
      This is a vivid representative of the "second oldest" ..
  19. fk7777777
    fk7777777 7 March 2020 15: 53
    0
    They used to ask in the Union - what will you do if you see a nuclear explosion in the open window? ...
  20. Old26
    Old26 7 March 2020 18: 31
    +1
    Quote: 30 vis
    I completely agree, it is also necessary to equate teachers and doctors with civil servants. .

    Yuri! Under damned tsarism, doctors, teachers (especially high school), engineers were, if not the highest paid categories, but the most respected. And you propose to equate them with civil servants. Push civil servants away from the feeder .... Not good. They will have to share and have less. Teachers and doctors will intercept everything from them ... laughing

    But seriously, there is another category. These are cultural workers (please do not confuse with show business). Here's another who sits on a starvation diet, although doing a great job

    Quote: 16112014nk
    Well, we also have enough discoveries and developments. The downside is that inventors and developers are led by "effective managers" who, as they say, are not in the teeth, but want to have their own priority in this. And if they are denied, they act according to the method, as in the play "Dowry" - "So do not get you to anyone."

    It was in Soviet times too. He worked at the department "mining machines". One of the graduate students began to use subtraction equipment in calculations. As a result, the penetration parameters increased. An associate professor approaches him and says: “If you put me in a co-author, you will defend yourself once. No, they will throw you“ black balls. ”He refused. As a result, he defended either 3 or Institute of Mining. So not only "managers" do this ...
  21. Yury Siritsky
    Yury Siritsky 1 May 2020 12: 18
    0
    This EGE will not lead to anything good.