Turkey overestimated its capabilities. Results of the meeting of Erdogan and Putin


"Errors of Saakashvili" by Erdogan



The Turkish president did not enter these negotiations with the arguments that he hoped to have. When the Turks started all this catastrophe with Idlib, they hoped that Russia would not get in their way, the Russian contingent was relatively small, Russia itself was far from Syria (but it was close to Turkey, and this was not taken into account there), Russia appreciated cooperation with the Turks and will not go to its break or aggravation. And the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) is weakened by a long war, and the Turkish forces, together with the bandit forces that they take care of from the banned in the Russian Federation HTS and other terrorist (and "moderate" structures that differ slightly from the "official" terrorists), will not be able to resist. In addition, Turkey clearly overestimated the capabilities of its armed forces in general, and in particular the contingent that the Turks sent to Idlib.

In general, Erdogan made a typical “Saakashvili's mistake”, the only difference being that Saakashvili was pushed to her from Washington, but who pushed Erdogan is a big question so far. Either he himself thought of it, or it was someone from the former, but having achieved recognition of their loyalty, putschists, for example, Minister of Defense Hulusi Akar, one of the "locomotives" of power interventionist policies in Syria and Libya, or all together came to this . But in the end, the Turks themselves made the rake they stepped on.

Unexpectedly tough position of Russia


Everything went wrong. The Syrian army was not afraid of the Turkish threats and did not listen to the demands to stop the successful offensive and withdraw "beyond the Sochi lines." The Turks put forward these demands until yesterday’s negotiations and constantly threatened, if they did not listen, to achieve their strength. But in the end, these threats began to sound like some kind of background noise like the promises of Kiev politicians and generals about the “impending breakthrough” over Russia, the return of the Crimea and Donbass, etc. Why the Syrians were not afraid, of course.

Contrary to the dreams of the Turks, Russia immediately took a very tough stance and firmly supported its ally, taking the risk of breaking ties with Turkey and a direct military conflict, and, moreover, actively using force against the Turks. At the same time, first warning the Turks about the possibility of a “worst-case scenario” in the form of our direct participation, in which at first they did not believe. Turkish units mixed with terrorist battle formations or located at non-agreed deployment points (observation posts, of which there are exactly 12, with a strength of company personnel, and they are mainly in the rear of the SAA), were immediately threatened with fire and missile bombing from both the Syrians and the artillery and aviation grouping of troops (forces) (GV (s)) in the SAR. This also applied to 32 "self-proclaimed" platoon "observation posts, but, in fact, platoon strongholds, which are just as far from the normal GP in terms of arrangement and fortification as stars from Earth. And to other Turkish contingents in Idlib, which, of course, would not have gotten into the "mechanized division", which was recently spoken about in our Ministry of Defense, but most likely gained a total of brigade. The Turks, moreover, turned out to be at least indirectly involved in the death of 4 of our snipers from the Central Security Service of the FSB on February 1 in the Aleppo region, and this also wrote themselves a “black mark”.

Receive from Russia, but not from Russia


Almost immediately, the Turks began to “fly in” from both aviation and artillery, and it’s easy to understand whose, not always, of course. Moreover, in a growing column, it’s either hit the location, the artillery position, and eventually hit the headquarters, which officially killed 36 Turks, and unofficially the Turks themselves call numbers from 56-65 and up to 100 people. The list of losses of the Turkish army began to grow rapidly, and, no matter how the Turks tried to cheat with losses, various lists of the victims began to appear in Turkey, many times different from officialdom (for example, 156 names in one of them, and these people really died in the army , the question of when and where). It came to the use of the Tochka-U BR in the Turks, already by the Syrian army, and the Smerch MLRS. In the end, the Turks abandoned the practice of directly supporting the militants and took part of the forces deeper into the controlled territory, without stopping, however, the disturbing artillery fire.

The Turks themselves, of course, did not recognize and will never admit that they mainly got from Russia, even when Russian bombers in a frame characteristic of the VKS only came across in the frame. That's because Russia will have to answer then, which in the same way agrees with the Turks, that it has nothing to do with it. And Russia's response to this already can be very different, but certainly not only economic, but this time obviously military. And in Turkey, obviously, they understood that Russia would not be limited only to its own forces in the Syrian theater, and then no NATO could save the Turks. Yes, and NATO, in general, wished the Turks "stay and good mood", and in words even a declarative declaration of the alliance was vetoed by old friends of the Turks from Greece. The United States also did not note anything other than idle talk. The Turks, if they were counting on something, obviously forgot 2015, then it was the same. Well, this is not to deal with Libya or Syria itself, here is Russia, and this is “quite different,” as the liberal-minded public likes to say. What are allied obligations?

And the combat readiness of the Turkish army was much lower than expected. Even to enter Idlib, the Turkish General Staff had to “pull off” two battalion tactical groups from the brigades of the 1st Army, in particular, from the 65th mechanized brigade, which suffered the biggest so far simultaneous casualties of the Turks in the strike on February 27. The rest, including the brigades of the most “militant” 4th Corps fighting with the Kurdish partisans, were apparently not combat ready. It turned out that the Turkish army is very bad and controlled - the group in Idlib has a big "lag" in passing reports and reports up to the headquarters in the border Khatai, and in passing orders from top to bottom, it has problems in supply. Moreover, the precision munitions of the Turks turned out to be much less than was necessary even for a small-scale operation.

Beaten cards


The strength arguments of the Turks "did not play." The practice of saturating the militant detachments with their rather disgusting armored vehicles yielded nothing - the artillery of the SAA and the Russian, as well as the aviation, was deep "up to the lantern", the KhTSh fighters were traveling in aluminum cans ACV-15 and M113, or these are armored trucks that KhTSh, with the help of the same Turks, is being remade in series, or is it the Soviet BMP-1. In the same way, there was no difference, the T-62 tank supports the attack, or the M60 of any level of modernization (these also made their way and burned better). Nor did the Turkish "squadrons", which stimulate the bearded bandits to be very demotivated by constant defeats, fight. There was artillery support, and, coupled with reconnaissance UAVs, which at first practically did not touch, some damage was caused to the SAA, but not at all as we would like.

The only argument that allowed the Turkish-terrorist groups to turn the tide for a short period of time was the strike UAVs (UAVs) in the absence of military air defense, which the Syrians simply did not need before, inflicting short-term but very decent losses. And the fact that the militants and Turkish "vacationers" managed to advance in the area of ​​the M5 and Neurab and Sarakib highways, there is still a "merit" for the SAA itself, which replaced their main strike units, the 25th Special Forces Division (25 Special Operations Forces) of the Tiger Force "and the 5th Volunteer Assault Corps (5 DShK) in the area, sending them to the south of Idlib, in units that are not champions of SAA for stamina in defense. And then, when the headquarters of the GV (s) in Khmeimim, as the manager of the operation, reacted to the Turkish atrocities by transferring the Pantsir air defense systems, the Buk-M2 air defense systems and others to the front, equipping the units with anti-aircraft guns with MANPADS and providing electronic suppression, adversely affecting small UAVs and causing problems with large UAVs, the Turkish gambit with drones quickly ended. The Turkish unmanned air fleet quickly suffered heavy losses and sharply reduced its activity. And the Syrians, instead of fleeing to Damascus, as they had dreamed about in Ankara, Idlib and Ukraine, for some reason abruptly began to learn to dig in and disguise themselves. It would be better, of course, they had studied this before. But better late than never.

The Turkish army itself, frankly, did not make the impression that its numerous “fans” created among analysts: the Turks showed that they are also very illiterate and arrogant warriors who can’t create and do not like normal field fortification or masking positions nor the normal deployment of troops and armaments, reducing losses from artillery fire and missile bombing. Moreover, the mistakes they made are difficult to explain even with impudence, because they have already dealt with both Kurds and terrorists from ISIS, which we have banned. To locate very long-range 155-mm self-propelled guns 5-6 km from the front line, where they are even vulnerable to mortars, is this normal for the "second NATO army"? And having compiled self-propelled guns in a heap. Apparently, is this also the norm for the whole of NATO? As well as neglecting the basics of camouflage and field fortifications? Even the Ukrainian warriors, in spite of their rather stupid understanding of the Soviet charters, which they tried to forget, didn’t succeed, could teach the Turks in this matter. But it should be noted. that Turkish gunners fired quite well, until the stocks of adjustable shells showed the bottom - otherwise they would not have asked for high-precision munitions from the United States.

In general, as soon as the “unmanned factor” was pushed into a certain framework, and the position of the SAA was covered by the hastily created system, but the military air defense system, and obviously the aviation began to destroy the UAV, the effectiveness and artillery fire immediately fell, and the pressure almost disappeared, which these devices exerted on unstable Syrians. In addition, those who were able to advance and win were again thrown into the battle - 25 SDPN, 5 DShK, Hezbollah, Palestinians from Liva al-Quds, etc. As a result, almost everything in the important intersection of the M4 and M5 highways (Neyraba and Sarakiba) was returned to the end of the negotiations, except for Neyrab himself, and in the south, even if not all, but won back.

The choice between bad and worse


The Turks faced a difficult choice. The escalation of hostilities will lead to an escalation on our part. Moreover, the option of continuing "indirect military operations" on our part is not ruled out, when the Turks will continue to receive accurate and heavy strikes from the "Syrian" artillery and aircraft, but on a completely different scale, while the losses have already reached extremely unpleasant values ​​without any visible success. The breakdown of economic ties with the Russian Federation is not at all necessary for Turkey - its economy is not in the best condition, it can finish it off.

Yes, it was possible to restrain the CAA attack, but no one planned to erase the entire “green spot” from the map of Syria this time. It was planned to recapture the M5 highway, vital for the economy of Syria and its usual locomotive - Aleppo. The city, of course, was badly damaged, but not all, and the industry was still preserved, and getting there was long and uncomfortable. It was planned to recapture the main fertile areas under the control of militants. This task, like the return of the M5, has been completed. Then, when it became clear that the resistance of the militants had completely weakened, a desire arose to take away both the south of Idlib and M4. But Idlib himself and the cities behind the tracks were hardly anyone hoping to return at this stage of the war. The key question that concerns both the Turks, who already understand that the game is lost, and Damascus: where to get the crowds of bearded bandits, their families, who are not much better, and those who lived quite comfortably under the rule of the Islamists? Damascus such "fellow citizens" (among whom are full of foreigners) did not give up in vain, in Turkey they need no more than a dog’s fifth leg. In any case, we need some kind of habitat, a reserve of bearded goblins, which should gradually shrink as they are gradually disposed of. The whole question was, in fact, in the size of this reserve and the conditions - there was a dispute about them.

From the very beginning, Russia was satisfied with the situation of temporary consolidation of force achieved. weapons status quo. This has happened before, the way it is now. The situation on the map is much better than it was before, and if you can also improve it during the negotiations, excellent!

"Drain" under the eyes of the great empress


Many noticed that Putin even the place of negotiations with Erdogan picked up an interesting from a psychological point of view - a hall where Empress Catherine the Great looked at the Turks, who are remembered very well in Turkey, as well as her magnificent commanders and naval commanders: Suvorov, Potemkin, Ushakov and others . This is not the first time that Turkish delegations in Moscow have undergone such trolling. Apparently, the invisible presence of one of the greatest rulers, not only in Russian stories, but also in European, had an impact. In this hall, the clock also stood with a sculpture dedicated to the feat of Russian soldiers in the penultimate official Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878. Interestingly, Erdogan paid attention to them? Or maybe Putin himself spoke about them?

What was agreed upon in the negotiations? About the ceasefire? So the SAA needs a respite, it is impossible to advance indefinitely, it takes time to replenish troops, train replenishment, repair equipment, replenish its losses, transport ammunition, and so on. Yes, just need a vacation. Moreover, the KhTSh have already stated that a truce is not a decree for them, which means that they will continue to be ironed by aviation and artillery. That is, the truce may well be frustrated. Have you agreed that Russia and Turkey create a security corridor, a demilitarized zone 6 km wide north and south of the M4 highway, and then begin joint patrols along it? But on both sides of the road there are only bandits, and how the Turks are going to remove them from there - it will be interesting to see. If they cannot or will not, they will have to act by other methods. At the same time, the piece that remains south of the M4 and the demilitarized zone under the control of the "green", obviously, is leaving Damascus - it will not work in any way to supply terrorists in these settlements. And if they don’t leave, they will have to ask by force.

Nobody remembers about the M5 highway and about some kind of “returns beyond the lines of the Sochi agreements and the line of observation points”. The order on the M5 is already being monitored by Russian units, which equipped their strongholds there and patrol the track. Obviously, the “rear” checkpoints will have to leave to the Turks, those who are surrounded by the SAA, although so far there are no direct indications of this. But, since the old lines of agreement have sunk into oblivion - they have nothing to do there. Apparently, they will strengthen the posts that are located behind the M4 and M5 highways, on the “so far green” territory. The only thing the Turks got was the legitimization of their new strong points, and the fact that the "sponsored" bandits would get a respite and not flee hundreds of thousands to Turkey. But this, if they really cease to shoot, otherwise there have already been many such truces. The previous one was from January 12, but no one noticed him.

As for Idlib behind the tracks, no one is going to touch him yet. It is better to let this region be a stone on the neck of Erdogan. Because with the loss of routes (through which various smuggling went, including to the regions controlled by Damascus - this is the East, they smuggled in there before the war), with the loss of fertile regions, the region becomes fully subsidized by the Turks. And this is not cheap. And the Turks themselves buy bread from Russia themselves, and they will have to share with the "bearded."

It turns out that the "Turkish sultan" simply "leaked". This is also understood in Turkey, where among the propaganda youth and Islamist-minded citizens such a spiritual fire began that its echoes reach the Russian segment of the Network. Apparently, they were waiting (along with their voluntary "assistants" from Ukraine) that Erdogan had come to accept Putin’s surrender. And it turned out almost the opposite, although the "Turkish partners" were given the opportunity to save face. Partially. And what it will cost the Turkish leader in the election is a question. In addition to the unsuccessful intervention in Syria, the growing problems in Libya, coupled with the escalating conflict with Egypt, Cyprus, Israel, Italy, France and Greece around the exclusive economic zone and shelf, are added.

And there are big doubts that Erdogan will be able to regain at least part of the very shaky trust that he managed to win from Putin since 2016. In Moscow, until the end, the Turks were not believed and will never be believed, of course, but at least somehow, apparently, the Turks were perceived as relatively adequate partners. Even if cooperation in the field of military-technical cooperation and other projects does not suffer, then all the same - any actions of the "partners" from Ankara will be called into question.
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  1. Livonetc 6 March 2020 07: 35 New
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    No one hoped for a different position of Russia.
    Erdogan quite consciously came out with the cards that he had in his hands.
    He tried to save face.
    And the result is not the withdrawal of all units of Turkey from Syria.
    Erdogan managed to avoid a complete collapse.
    He could restrain himself by stepping on the throat of his Sultan song.
    Very reasonable and worthy.
    1. kjhg 6 March 2020 07: 47 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      He could restrain himself by stepping on the throat of his Sultan song.
      Very reasonable and worthy.

      I agree. Before the direct intervention of Turkey, the SAA advanced on all fronts. For Turkey there was a real threat of losing the entire province of Idlib. Yes, with territorial losses, but Erdogan still managed to defend Idlib.
      For us and for Syria, the situation is also acceptable at the moment. And what about the return of Idlib and its remaining part - time will tell. At least, the current agreements do not seem final. Rather, it looks like another truce.
      1. Chaldon48 6 March 2020 09: 45 New
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        Erdogan is now the most important thing without losing completely to get out of the swamp into which he himself climbed.
        1. nikon7717 6 March 2020 23: 29 New
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          Quote: Chaldon48
          Erdogan is now the most important thing without losing completely to get out of the swamp into which he himself climbed.

          At the time of his arrival in Moscow, this was understandable, he was given a chance to get out of the water dry, agreed on the future of people in the territories adjacent to Turkey, and clearly discussed the Kurds. There are many debts for Erdogan. Again, because of his actions, our children died in Syria. In the account recorded ...
    2. Alex Nevs 6 March 2020 10: 16 New
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      Once upon a time (confrontation) is already going on, between Russia and the mattresses. Then someone who .... "tricks" in the trick (very soft .. very).
      1. Chaldon48 7 March 2020 03: 16 New
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        Putin has to help Syria constantly balance on the brink of a big war, which is highly undesirable and ruinous
    3. Mikhail3 6 March 2020 10: 30 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      Nobody hoped for a different position of Russia

      Yes, quit. Even as hoped. How many times did our leaders melt away from "expressions of friendship"? Arriving in Moscow, hugging, tell us about the bright prospects, and please you. Here and money, and equipment, and food, and eyes to various dirty tricks readily close. It just didn’t play this time. Wrong person Vladimir Vladimirovich ...
    4. TermNachTer 6 March 2020 17: 43 New
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      The author voices well-known things. In general, it is not clear why, having so many problems, Erdogan hung one more on the neck. Moreover, from the very beginning it was clear that Russia would not give in on this issue - have they helped in vain for eight years? But Turkey is not in a position in which you can "show off limonit".
      1. Azim77 7 March 2020 10: 24 New
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        Quote: TermNachTER
        why having so many problems, Erdogan hung himself "on the neck" another

        Erdogan (not Turkey) went all-in. Correctly compared him with Saakashvili .. Elections .. And when you have a lot of fans with knives and bats, you have to play not by the rules ..
    5. Ratmir_Ryazan 7 March 2020 12: 05 New
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      Erdogan managed to avoid a complete collapse.
      He could restrain himself by stepping on the throat of his Sultan song.
      Very reasonable and worthy.


      Why did Erdogan hold back, he won - he stopped the offensive of Syria and Russia alone, inflicting huge damage to Syria, which Russia protects, as it were.

      If it weren’t for Erdogan Idlib to be cleaned from terrorists, Idlib remains a hornet’s nest where tens of thousands of militants are sitting with equipment and continue to force Syria and Russia to divert huge forces to guard the perimeter of Idlib - a terrorist reserve. Instead of starting to squeeze Americans out of Zaefrati.

      In parallel, Erdogan conducted an excellent advertisement for his strike UAVs, disgracing the Russian air defense systems.

      And now Turkey has taken a break to replenish its forces and means and the terrorists in Idlib.

      By the way, today there was again a strike with the help of UAVs at our base in Khmeimim.
      1. TermNachTer 7 March 2020 12: 20 New
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        At the expense of victory, you are very excited. We have a certain intermediate option, which so far, relatively, suits everyone. In general, Erdogan’s position is “worse than governor’s”. Internal opposition in the army, parliament and the Kurds who live in Turkey. Kurds who live in Syria and Iraq. Finally, Syria itself, when it never recognizes the loss of its territories. And, like a cherry on the cake - Northern Cyprus, as long as Turkey has enough strength, the Greeks sit upright and sniff in two holes, but when the Turks begin to have serious problems, it’s a sin not to take advantage of the situation.
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan 7 March 2020 15: 39 New
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          At the expense of victory, you are very excited. We have a certain intermediate option, which so far, relatively, suits everyone. In general, Erdogan’s position is “worse than governor’s”. Internal opposition in the army, parliament and the Kurds who live in Turkey. Kurds who live in Syria and Iraq. Finally, Syria itself, when it never recognizes the loss of its territories. And, like a cherry on the cake - Northern Cyprus, as long as Turkey has enough strength, the Greeks sit upright and sniff in two holes, but when the Turks begin to have serious problems, it’s a sin not to take advantage of the situation.


          Erdogan successfully fights on several fronts. He fettered the forces of Syria, Idlib is a cancerous tumor that launches its metastases and kills Syria. He thwarted an operation to clean up Idlib and Syria is forced to spend enormous forces and resources to deter this terrorist reserve. And they could clean out Idlib and begin to rebuild the economy in order to regain their citizens and begin to develop, while simultaneously exerting pressure on the United States to get rid of Syrian soil.

          None of this happened and Syria continues to live on a martial law, which severely limits its recovery, and Assad is not eternal.

          Since the fall of Constantinople, the Greeks are an army of impotents under the boot of NATO, they will not do anything with either Cyprus or Turkey, and those who decide from politicians will simply not allow it.

          Erdogan won in Idlib and this is a fact. And the territory that the Syrian troops recaptured may be lost again tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, and the M5 and M4 routes are cut.
          1. TermNachTer 7 March 2020 18: 13 New
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            So far, the situation in Idlib has frozen, but talking about Erdogan’s victory is at least incorrect. And time does not work for him. He has elections on the “nose” and going to the elections with such a result is not a “gut”, especially since he has enough enemies. M 4 and M 5 will be cut, after the Russian air forces entered it, I personally have big doubts - Erdogan definitely does not need a direct conflict with Russia, because then Turkey is completely isolated. Do you consider Banderland a serious ally? And Israel is such an ally that "will surrender as glass containers", at any convenient opportunity.
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan 7 March 2020 19: 32 New
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              So far, the situation in Idlib has frozen


              She did not hang, she actually did not change much, the Idlib-Terrorist Reserve continues to live.

              The attack on Idlib failed and that is a fact.

              Erdogan will win the election, he has no real competitors.

              And Israel simply obeys the orders of the United States, it doesn’t give a damn about Turkey, but doesn’t give a damn about US $ 3,8 billion in annual aid from the USA and advanced military-industrial complex developments that the US shares with Israel. Therefore, as soon as the United States orders Israel, it will immediately strike at Syria.

              A gross miscalculation was made during the development of the attack on Idlib, our intelligence failed in the first place, the use of UAVs by Turkey had to be predicted, and our air defense systems were ineffective against Turkish UAVs and this is generally a shame. Yes, they shot down 10 pieces, only Turkey has more than 100 pieces, and now there will be even more, since Turkey appreciated the effectiveness of such weapons.

              Now the question is why Turkish UAVs behaved so brazenly in the Syrian sky?

              Or maybe because our air defense systems simply do not see UAVs made of composites ?!

              Then this is generally a disaster, which will still bring us a lot of grief, if the situation does not improve.
              1. TermNachTer 7 March 2020 19: 46 New
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                If he comes to the polls with a "broken face", options are possible. He has competitors. There are big doubts about the UAV. The engines were Canadian, now they were “slowed down” by the command from the USA. Zaporizhzhya has been put on the “Bayraktaras”, for how long “Motor” will live, even Allah does not know, so not everything is as brilliant as you see it.
                1. Ratmir_Ryazan 7 March 2020 19: 48 New
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                  Erdogan almost dropped his face and the Turks support him.

                  But they do engines for Ukraine for planes and helicopters, I think they will do for UAVs too, maybe they will be inferior to the Canadian ones in some ways, but not much and they can use them no worse than Turkey in Syria.
                  1. TermNachTer 7 March 2020 19: 52 New
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                    It has already been installed, and it flies, the problem is how long Motor will live. This will be decided by the Washington Reich Chancellery. And they have a "tooth" on Erdogan.
            2. Roman1970_1 8 March 2020 05: 22 New
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              Israel is such an ally that it will "surrender like glass containers," at any opportunity.

              Israel is a reliable ally.
              Another question is when did Israel become an ally of Turkey?
              1. TermNachTer 8 March 2020 17: 34 New
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                In the early 2000s, they had a rather warm relationship, now they have become cooler. When and for whom was Israel a reliable ally? He situationally uses those who he needs now.
      2. meandr51 8 March 2020 22: 37 New
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        A highly controversial statement. From the same opera that Finland won in the “winter war”, and the USA (in points) won in Vietnam.
        As for the “shame” of Syria’s air defense, this thesis also does not roll. Since the air defense was not there. It is formed not instantly, but steadily. A classic example of the shame of air defense presented to the world of the United States in Saudi Arabia.
  2. Mastrer 6 March 2020 07: 50 New
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    How difficult it is to be a sultan without an Empire ...
  3. Strashila 6 March 2020 07: 50 New
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    Russia's position has been voiced on this issue for a long time and does not change. The fact that Turkey is stirring up in Syria has a clear smell of the “Georgian” events of 2008, that the Americans are behind them, who have been confirmed in that area, and the NATO people are clearly helping.
  4. Romey 6 March 2020 07: 54 New
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    When, finally, Shoigu will be conferred the rank of field marshal and will be given the second star of the Hero? It would be possible to generalissimo, but not by rank. But it’s somehow ugly: one victory is brighter than another, but no gratitude ...
    1. AleksUkr 7 March 2020 02: 45 New
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      Where are you from? Scatter in place. Envy or something else? Take a rag and lightly rub the foam from your mouth. You can choke. Good luck.
  5. anjey 6 March 2020 07: 59 New
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    they hoped that Russia would not get in their way,
    Erdig seems to have overestimated the "partnership" relations with NATO and the United States, or he seriously counted on their support, so that he could all fall on Russia together, or he would bluff well and naturally for domestic consumption, being on the side of GDP, but still probably the first one chance and the Sultan, if you want, if you don’t want, I had to turn back.
    1. AleksUkr 7 March 2020 02: 53 New
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      Can you give an example when NATO helped someone openly? Especially the regime, which recently spat on them a little. Everyone knows well that Turkey has never been a reliable partner. Although ambition and aggression are abundant, but we all know that wounded animals are always very dangerous. But let's hope that our leadership of Russia and the Army is well aware of this.
      1. anjey 7 March 2020 07: 21 New
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        This is the whole "effectiveness" of NATO and can be traced, the hopes of Ukraine and Georgia are the dreams and dreams of fools laughing As well as an occasion to think to other members of this organization ...
        1. 2 Level Advisor 7 March 2020 09: 09 New
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          if you think about it, they’re dealing with tasks, they’re mischief to Russia .. in Georgia everything remained as before the war, but presented us as an aggressor to the world and complicated possible rapprochement in the future, the same in Ukraine, in Syria - there were enough problems, Yes, and Idlib for the Turks so far, but they actually wanted this at least .. so I would not say that they are ineffective ... That they use their "younger members", yes, but that they are inefficient, I do not agree ..
  6. maidan.izrailovich 6 March 2020 08: 10 New
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    Erdogan has gone so far in his aggressive policy towards Syria that his possible deviation from his plans will invariably entail a collapse in rating and popularity among the Turks. And as a result, a possible political death.
    1. Air force 6 March 2020 09: 23 New
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      I partially agree with you, taking into account the fact that Erdogan has many opponents in Turkey, and especially taking into account the deaths of several dozen Turkish soldiers. But! He went a long way and as for me he didn’t expect to gain a foothold in that position where he had reached, it’s always better to start a bargain after having pre-set the price, if you buy at an “overcharge” (fixing to a position) it’s gorgeous, and if you start to bargain (negotiate, reinforcing them with a military argument) you have room for maneuvers in lowering the price (deviation from your plans or adjusting them, but not completely abandoning them and not retreating to your territory) How not to turn the eastern bazaar into action, Russia has a few centuries experience in such "trade" with the Turks, and more than once Russia proved that it would not be possible to fool it.
    2. MAGRIB 6 March 2020 10: 01 New
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      And the GDP rating is growing, do you think?
      1. Paranoid50 6 March 2020 22: 52 New
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        Quote: MAGRIB
        What do you think?

        Catch Erdogan's rating while above the baseboard. yes wink
      2. AleksUkr 7 March 2020 04: 51 New
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        Are you very interested in this? Maybe it affects your well-being? Rating is a chameleon. What is needed will be. Do not worry. Everything will be in openwork.
      3. meandr51 8 March 2020 22: 48 New
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        But how can it fall while water is flowing from the taps, and about 1000 loaves of bread can be freely bought for salary and pension? Let me remind you that even a 30-fold decrease in this amount did not lead to a "downgrade" of Stalin. Yes, and what's the point of all these ratings?
  7. oracul 6 March 2020 08: 13 New
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    Perhaps this is one of the few moments when the opinion of most experts largely coincided: Erdogan came to agree to save his face. And this is good. It is important for us to have a quiet time to solve our problems. It’s worth remembering that a bad world is better than a good quarrel.
    1. MAGRIB 6 March 2020 10: 00 New
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      The arrival of Erdogan is a gesture of will. Good or evil - I will not say. It will manifest itself soon.
      1. Gado 6 March 2020 16: 15 New
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        Good or evil - I will not say. It will manifest itself soon.

        Yes, who would doubt it. Everyone already knows your Erdogan, but how your soldiers are at war does not matter anymore, so far Russia has just clicked on your nose. Sit there in an embrace with terrorists and whine slowly.
        1. MAGRIB 8 March 2020 13: 53 New
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          The whole world saw who clicked someone on the nose laughing
          1. meandr51 8 March 2020 22: 50 New
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            Are you talking about Erdogan’s nose in the Yekaterininsky Hall?
      2. Ivan Karas 7 March 2020 16: 56 New
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        the adoption of Erdogan in Moscow is a gesture of will. so you can talk about everything, it’s called in general - an empty concussion
  8. Mavrikiy 6 March 2020 08: 19 New
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    Turkey overestimated its capabilities. Results of the meeting of Erdogan and Putin
    The pants still burst. East. They don’t know how to calmly. As fuel tankers burned, they began to forget.
  9. New Year day 6 March 2020 08: 27 New
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    Results of the meeting between Erdogan and Putin

    1. Russia and Turkey agree that the Syrian conflict has no military solution;
    2. from 0:00 on March 6 a ceasefire will be introduced in Idlib;
    3. A safety corridor will be created 6 km north and south of the M4 highway in Syria;
    4. from March 15, a joint Russian-Turkish patrol will begin along the M4 highway in Syria;
    5. The parties reaffirmed their commitment to the sovereignty of Syria and expressed their intention to fight terrorism;
    6. Turkey reserves the right to respond to the actions of the Syrian government forces.
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      5. The parties reaffirmed their commitment to the sovereignty of Syria and expressed their intention to fight terrorism;
      6. Turkey reserves the right to respond to the actions of the Syrian government forces.

      And how does it fit together?
      1. meandr51 8 March 2020 22: 53 New
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        No way. Agreements are never fully implemented by anyone. More important is the trend - direct threats are over.
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          Andrey, if so. The threats of unilateral actions have already begun.
  10. EvilLion 6 March 2020 08: 29 New
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    In any case, we need some kind of habitat, a reserve of bearded goblins, which should gradually shrink, as they are gradually disposed of. The whole question was, in fact, in the size of this reserve and the conditions - there was a dispute about them.


    It reminds a bike how ours surrounded a large group of Germans in a forest. They didn’t want to give up, and ours simply surrounded the territory along the perimeter with wire, putting the signs “prisoner of war camp”.
    1. 210ox 6 March 2020 16: 22 New
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      This is not a bike. The Kurland group nicknamed "Armed Prisoner of War Camp"
  11. Volder 6 March 2020 08: 30 New
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    Quote: romey
    When, finally, Shoigu will be conferred the rank of field marshal and will be given the second star of the Hero? It would be possible to generalissimo, but not by rank. But it’s somehow ugly: one victory is brighter than another, but no gratitude ...

    Shoigu has an administrative position. Well, if anyone is to be awarded, it’s a warrior - representatives of the General Staff planning operations.
    1. MONEY 6 March 2020 09: 01 New
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      And for what ?? For what victory ?? There is no victory and will not be ...
      1. Nastia makarova 6 March 2020 13: 33 New
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        great victory, not that you have pots
        1. MONEY 7 March 2020 13: 51 New
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          Do you have pots ?? !!)) It is ridiculous to listen to a person who does not know who he is talking with !! At least, a hint on the avatar !!!
        2. MONEY 9 March 2020 15: 45 New
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          Well, Nastyusha and ,, victory ,, the dollar, the fall of oil. And everything was clear as daylight ... Now, the work of several thousand ordinary citizens has depreciated .. yet there are more beggars ... Victory !!!;)
          1. Nastia makarova 11 March 2020 08: 05 New
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            only where does Syria and Erdogan?)))))))))))
  12. 7,62h54 6 March 2020 08: 32 New
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    In the photo the face is like a cannibal
    1. ABM
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      who exactly?
  13. MONEY 6 March 2020 09: 00 New
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    It is naive to believe that everything is over !! In a few days, the Turks will find reasons for violations of certain agreements !! And indeed, looking at today's events in the world, it is clear that current politicians are incapable in principle !! This applies to everyone without exception !! Starting from Putin, ending with a trump. I will say more. In my opinion, all politicians who exist today are liars !! Lies are now the main weapon in the world !! And they lie intentionally !! With special cynicism, savoring every lie and squinting your eyes with pleasure! ! The business of Dr. Goebbels not only lives, but also develops !! If we take and analyze all the events that have occurred since the collapse of the USSR, we can confidently say that the world is heading into the abyss, gaining more and more momentum every day. Yes ... A lot more blood will be shed, and so many innocent souls will disappear in the furnace. wars, crises that will be unleashed in the near future by these jackals from politics ...
    1. yura_g 6 March 2020 11: 49 New
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      Apparently I missed something. What segment of human history is marked by purity and truth? In my opinion, everything is as always.
    2. Garris199 6 March 2020 13: 37 New
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      You might think the leadership of the USSR simply bombarded us with the truth. More seasoned liars than the top of the CPSU still need to look.
    3. Alexey G 6 March 2020 19: 30 New
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      Yes, of course, the Turks can begin provocations, but they are unlikely to be able to successfully advance! Their main trump card drones received a pretty serious blow! And without them and high-precision shells, the offensive cannot be particularly resumed! Therefore, there will soon be no new war, unless of course the United States helps ... But there are doubts! Firstly, things are not going smoothly in their relations, the Americans will bring up Erdogan, now he will lick their shoes! Ask for help ... Secondly, the author is right and the Turks are bad warriors, like Georgians, Ukrainians, so businessman Trump will not want to invest in a deliberately failed project. This is a bad deal !!! laughing
      On the other hand, the Syrians will strengthen their ground and air defense, making it harder, so a respite in favor of Assad and Russia! And since new territories were conquered during the operations, the war can be considered successful!
  14. rudolff 6 March 2020 09: 12 New
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    Nobody achieved anything in these negotiations. Neither the Turks nor we. Nobody wants to give Idlib to anyone. At the moment, just took a break. This was the only possible step in this situation. What happens next, no one knows. But it is unlikely that the militants will calm down.
    1. rudolff 6 March 2020 09: 43 New
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      Perhaps a way out could be the entry into Idlib and a 30-kilometer buffer zone in northern Syria already forgotten blue helmets. Assad, the UN peacekeeping contingent would have suited us too. It is more difficult with Turks and Americans.
      1. Mitroha 6 March 2020 16: 03 New
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        If Syria and Turkey were parties to the conflict, then I would agree with you. But in this case, the parties to the conflict are the Syrians (well, not only of course) on both sides to the side of the noise there is a direct aggression of Turkey against sovereign Syria.
        And the introduction of blue helmets in our reality usually means freezing a conflict with the loss of territories.
        1. rudolff 6 March 2020 17: 06 New
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          Not really. The entry of Turkish forces into Idlib was preceded first by Astana, then by Sochi. We actually gave a green light and legalized their presence. And then they agreed to strengthen the Turkish contingent. By the way, Erdogan mentioned this yesterday. The Adan Agreement preceded the creation of a buffer zone in northern Syria, and then we climbed (after the Americans), recognizing Turkey’s right to self-defense on Syrian territory and organizing joint patrols. So, not everything is so simple. And the UN forces are needed not in parallel with the Turks, but in return for them, in order to remove the Turkish observation posts and precisely in order to save Idlib and pieces of other provinces within Syria.
    2. MAGRIB 6 March 2020 09: 53 New
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      Totally agree!
    3. Gost2012 6 March 2020 11: 10 New
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      Quote: rudolff
      Nobody achieved anything in these negotiations. Neither the Turks, nor we .... What will happen next, no one knows. But it is unlikely that the militants will calm down.

      To what extent you don’t want to see the obvious - you didn’t achieve ... We went to Idlib, occupied the territory, occupied important points, repelled and damaged the broads and the “second army”, almost a defeat, otherwise the Turks would not agree to give the road, in fact, he signed this: "I can’t take Serakib and the highway, let's stop it for now." The darkest is a genius, today there are no equal to him among the rulers, and now I’m definitely putinoid.
      I agree with the latter.
      1. rudolff 6 March 2020 13: 11 New
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        Excuse me, did they go right into the negotiations in Idlib and occupy the territory? There is a completely successful offensive operation of the government army and there are negotiations. This is not the same thing. In the negotiations, everyone remained of their own opinion. Assad wanted the Turks to leave Idlib and Syria altogether. Erdogan wanted Assad’s troops to leave the de-escalation zone and that Russia would not intervene. In the end, just took a break.
        As for the defeat of the Turkish army ... What? Erdogan's problem is simple. He wanted a quick and victorious war. But proxies, pro-Turkish fighters should have fought. And it didn’t work out, the militants could not cope. Remote support: UAVs, MLRS, artillery, the supply of military equipment - did not help. The Turks could change the situation if they moved their ground forces. But direct combat contact is the inevitable sacrifice of Turkish soldiers, which Erdogan fears. In the same way, we do not go into land operations, preferring to help remotely. So a stalemate arose. The result of the negotiations is a temporary truce and nothing more. Regarding the genius of the darkest ... I will leave no comment. I can only recall that it was thanks to this genius that the Turks ended up in Syria.
        1. Gost2012 6 March 2020 13: 49 New
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          Quote: rudolff
          Excuse me, did they go right into the negotiations in Idlib and occupy the territory? There is a completely successful offensive operation of the government army and there are negotiations. This is not the same thing.

          Of course, this is not the same thing, but these are parts of the same strategy, military and diplomatic components.

          Quote: rudolff
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          As for the defeat of the Turkish army ... What? Erdogan's problem is simple. He wanted a quick and victorious war. But proxies, pro-Turkish fighters should have fought. And it didn’t work out ...

          This is a defeat, albeit a tactical one. It is a military component not to be allowed to reach the opposite side of the tasks set by force, to force a compromise, creating also economic and political conditions - this is a diplomatic component.
          Quote: rudolff

          The result of the negotiations is a temporary truce and nothing more. Regarding the genius of the darkest ... I will leave no comment. I can only recall that it was thanks to this genius that the Turks ended up in Syria.

          Temporary, I agree. But the Turks are there thanks to completely different people, including themselves. When Assad began to bring down, the Turks took an active part in this, and were at home, and oil and all that. With the advent of the Russian Federation, their Syrian habitat has greatly decreased. And so they and Aleppo controlled.
      2. Pilat2009 6 March 2020 20: 45 New
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        Quote: Gost2012
        The Darkest - Genius

        He has a country of economic problems above the roof and he sits in Syria. Genius, what
        1. Gost2012 6 March 2020 22: 05 New
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          Quote: Pilat2009
          Quote: Gost2012
          The Darkest - Genius

          He has a country of economic problems above the roof and he sits in Syria. Genius, what

          And how do you think it was necessary? To leave Syria now, or not to go there at all in 2015?
          It seems to me that no matter what he does, all is bad for you.
          And, so simply, for my overall development - and in which country there are no economic problems? Well, so that they could go into Syria calmly, and no one would do as you did not say.
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            Quote: Gost2012
            And how do you think it was necessary?

            It was right not to go there at all. There is a doher of states that themselves would have to fight the igil. Sooner or later. What do you think, at the expense of whom will the cities be restored?
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              Quote: Pilat2009
              It was right not to go in there at all. There is a doher of states that themselves would have been forced to fight the igil. Sooner or later.

              Do you happen to be a taxi driver?
              1. Pilat2009 7 March 2020 12: 01 New
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                Quote: SaltY
                Quote: Pilat2009
                It was right not to go in there at all. There is a doher of states that themselves would have been forced to fight the igil. Sooner or later.

                Do you happen to be a taxi driver?

                And you are seen by Putinist
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                  Quote: Pilat2009
                  Quote: SaltY
                  Do you happen to be a taxi driver?

                  And you are seen by Putinist

                  There is no such profession. You apparently did not understand, I will explain:


                  So are you a taxi driver or a hairdresser?
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                    Quote: SaltY
                    Quote: Pilat2009
                    Quote: SaltY
                    Do you happen to be a taxi driver?

                    And you are seen by Putinist

                    There is no such profession. You apparently did not understand, I will explain:


                    So are you a taxi driver or a hairdresser?

                    You know, if a person rules the state, this does not mean that he rules correctly. Nicholas 2 also ruled
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                      Quote: Pilat2009
                      You know, if a person rules the state, this does not mean that he rules correctly. Nicholas 2 also ruled

                      Clear. You are not even a hairdresser, but simply a demagogue. Goodbye.
    4. Nastia makarova 6 March 2020 13: 33 New
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      rave ??? Paul Idlib gave SAA
  15. Yrec 6 March 2020 09: 14 New
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    Good article, quite detailed and objective. Not with all I agree, and too positive conclusions for us. The topic si ... is not disclosed, in the sense of influencing the situation of Iran and Israel. Yes, and the bearded democrats on the ground have already sung with the Turkish military, the situation there looks different than seen from the Erdogan sofa. It is unlikely that the current agreements will last at least three days.
  16. shinobi 6 March 2020 09: 18 New
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    Most likely, Putin is giving Assad’s army time to consolidate and regroup which he started a little earlier, at that moment the sultan got in. Everything is clear from NATO, analysts immediately said that they would take an observer position. NATO still remembers 2008 and how quickly the Russian army can stick it if it’s good to anger it before. Now they are trying to rebuild their strategy in the case when Russia does not bend under the pressure of the “world community” and is ready to fight. Here their strategists have a complete break in the template, they are not used to the fact that then do not attention to the concerns of the block.
  17. Tank jacket 6 March 2020 09: 37 New
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    Quality analytics. Thanks to the author for the article. good
    1. NordUral 6 March 2020 10: 56 New
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      High-quality, but with some optimism some sorting, Ruslan.
      1. Tank jacket 6 March 2020 11: 49 New
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        Some busting, you think? Give examples, discuss.
        1. NordUral 6 March 2020 12: 56 New
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          Here in this, Ruslan:
          “Some time ago, we reached an agreement with Russia: reinforcements will be sent to stabilize the region. This step will be taken to, on the one hand, contain some attacks and contain the regime’s actions, ”Erdogan said.

          I quote not from the article, just information, as an argument to what I said.
  18. Keyser soze 6 March 2020 09: 38 New
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    I wrote that the Turks are still warriors .... and here - the second NATO army, blah blah ....
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    Well xs xs who got max dividends
  20. MAGRIB 6 March 2020 09: 51 New
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    [/ quote] Turkey overestimated its capabilities. [quote]

    This is certainly not the case.
    And at the expense of the truce, I think you should not rush.
    1. Gado 6 March 2020 16: 25 New
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      Well, well, you've already read your statements - and about the mountains of skulls, and about the power of your troops. You were blown away like a mushroom in the sun. And no one already believes you and your Erodogan, and it is clear to everyone that the agreements agreed in Moscow are just a pause and that the fighting will begin again soon. Get ready for big losses or leave, that's all. Till.
  21. CBR600 6 March 2020 10: 13 New
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    Thanks draws on analytics.
    ___ Glory to Russia, finally peace! Yes short, but very important
  22. v.biseroff 6 March 2020 10: 14 New
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    All that the bosses have agreed on, it is still necessary to clearly communicate to the local barmaleys, so it’s too early to rejoice, there is no end in work. Now our concern is again to protect Erdogan from a new coup. And the Turk himself must make every effort to prevent these barmales from bothering our military bases more from the word "never at all" perhaps then the truce will be long.
    1. yura_g 6 March 2020 12: 00 New
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      Here is the answer - why did they save Erdogan from the first coup. Now with a strain it is much easier for him to turn to a friend Vladimir. In today's realities, this has saved many lives, and literally.
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    do not run hundreds of thousands to Turkey

    Straight hundreds of thousands? wassat

    And Putin (portrait, watch) essentially just mocked Erdogan, and everyone understood that. I would also put Israeli tomatoes on the table, right in the package ...
  24. Vyacheslav p 6 March 2020 11: 09 New
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    It is necessary to call Erdogan on May 9 to completely demoralize the Sultan)))
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      The jamb after him - at the pan-legger with a greeting burst.
  25. Kostadinov 6 March 2020 11: 28 New
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    It’s good that it all ended so well. I hope that the US henchmen in the Turkish army and among the "rebels" will not be able to disrupt the truce. Turkey will potentially be an ally against US hegemony. The people are good, modest and have suffered from American domination. They have more anti-Americanism than Russians and Bulgarians taken together. Of course, there is religious fanaticism and nostalgia for the Ottoman past among part of the population, but there are such among all nations.
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    To place very long-range 155-mm self-propelled guns 5-6 km from the front line, where they are even vulnerable to mortars, this is normal for the "second NATO army". And having compiled self-propelled guns in a bunch. It can be seen, and for the whole of NATO this is also the norm

    Strictly speaking, this is the norm for us ...
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      Strictly speaking, this is the norm for us ...

      Is it?
      Not 10-15 km from the front is located BraG?
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        Not 10-15 km from the front is located BraG?

        What is she to do there?
        Firing range 2S19 30 km.
        Moving the firing area 15 km away from the contact line, you will actually reduce it by half. At the same time, reduce accuracy, increase the line of safe removal, and so on.
  27. Kostadinov 6 March 2020 11: 47 New
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    The only argument that allowed the Turkish-terrorist groups to turn the tide for a short period of time was the strike UAVs (UAVs), in the absence of military air defense, which the Syrians simply did not need before, causing short-term but very decent losses.

    You can not attribute the success of shock UAVs only to the absence of air defense. This is a very effective and cheap weapon. One could expect Syria to use shock drone on a large scale, having Russia, China and Iran as allies. In addition, the opite of the Yemenite Hussites beat the successful use of drones against the Saudis. It is not clear why pilots use aviation primarily and risk the lives of pilots and expensive cars.
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      You can not attribute the success of shock UAVs only to the absence of air defense. This is a very effective and cheap weapon.

      Shaw seriously? The value of the Turkish Anka slipped, or 15, or 30 million green ones. This is the cost of 3-6 good tanks or one or two Mi-8s.
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    a month ago I wrote:
    What is interesting about this large-scale victorious offensive by saa? the greens lose dozens of settlements that they have been holding for years, while there are virtually no clashes, the losses are ridiculous, you can’t even see the traditional photo reports with corpses for the war, the Turks put up posts to cover the rebels' departure and at the same time take away the entire population from cities and villages, to which saa is about to enter. Asadovtsy enter empty towns.
    the question is - where did the Turks need several hundred thousand (according to some sources, more than a million) peacekids?
    after the demonstrative surrender of sarakib, it became clear to me that this was a pure agreement. it remains to wait a few days and see what our part of the deal is.

    Until the bombing of the Turkish convoy / headquarters (what exactly was there?), I was convinced that this was a treaty war. when the Turks died and their response by saa by drones began, I hesitated, I thought that everything was real. but the campaign was an excess of the performer, who almost broke the agreement.
    after yesterday's meeting, he returned to his original opinion - an agreement. the first part was played, as it were, yesterday everyone looked happy.
    the most interesting - what is the second part?
    1. Ural resident 6 March 2020 13: 29 New
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      Quote: protoss
      a month ago I wrote:
      What is interesting about this large-scale victorious offensive by saa? the greens lose dozens of settlements that they have been holding for years, while there are virtually no clashes, the losses are ridiculous, you can’t even see the traditional photo reports with corpses for the war, the Turks put up posts to cover the rebels' departure and at the same time take away the entire population from cities and villages, to which saa is about to enter. Asadovtsy enter empty towns.
      the question is - where did the Turks need several hundred thousand (according to some sources, more than a million) peacekids?
      after the demonstrative surrender of sarakib, it became clear to me that this was a pure agreement. it remains to wait a few days and see what our part of the deal is.

      Until the bombing of the Turkish convoy / headquarters (what exactly was there?), I was convinced that this was a treaty war. when the Turks died and their response by saa by drones began, I hesitated, I thought that everything was real. but the campaign was an excess of the performer, who almost broke the agreement.
      after yesterday's meeting, he returned to his original opinion - an agreement. the first part was played, as it were, yesterday everyone looked happy.
      the most interesting - what is the second part?

      And Turkey, what proofs from such an agreement? just merge part of the territory?
      1. protoss 6 March 2020 13: 50 New
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        And Turkey, what proofs from such an agreement?

        apparently profits? I don’t know yet. from what could be given in response to him - this is a tel-rifat with manbij. and how to give - this, it seems, is not under the assad. just turn away at the right time to the side, as with Afrin.
    2. Nastia makarova 6 March 2020 13: 39 New
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      Edik also wants to eliminate the militants from the idlib who are not subordinate to him, they accept weapons and supplies, but refused to go to Libya, so he decided to grind them not with his own hands and not lose face
      1. Ural resident 6 March 2020 15: 38 New
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        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        Edik also wants to eliminate the militants from the idlib who are not subordinate to him, they accept weapons and supplies, but refused to go to Libya, so he decided to grind them not with his own hands and not lose face

        the fact that he does not need them in Turkey is unambiguous, but it’s well suited as a tool for capturing neighboring territories. The only thing is to keep them without a fight is unprofitable, the infantry should be in action, while the ideology is pumped up. Maybe he’ll throw it to Libya. It's amazing how at 00.05, according to the arrangement (Poddubny writes), the militants ceased fire. Here is disobedience so disobedience. It turns out that Erdogan and Nusra are one and the same ..
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          that’s exactly what not everyone obeys, nusra and other ideological groups, including those who are called moderate
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            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            that’s exactly what not everyone obeys, nusra and other ideological groups, including those who are called moderate

            In Idlib, there were no moderates. There are moderate 10% of all. When they were left to their own devices, they sorted out relations between themselves, as a result, the moderates were pushed to the north, including to the Afrin region, and they don’t want to fight anymore. Only "nusra" remained in Idlib, and after the arrangements, their composition was significantly updated at the expense of Erdoganushka's friend and partner.
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              Quote: A resident of the Urals
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              that’s exactly what not everyone obeys, nusra and other ideological groups, including those who are called moderate

              In Idlib, there were no moderates left. ...


              They have never been there. They generally do not exist in nature, moderate these, the term was coined for various justifications of their actions and diplomatic casuistry. And that is precisely why Erdogan didn’t share them with the barmaleas and will never share them - because there are no moderates, no one to separate, they are the same barmalei.
  29. flicker 6 March 2020 12: 22 New
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    The king is played by a retinue, especially one like Erdogan. The retinue whispered to him: raise rates, Russia has invested too much in our economy and will certainly pay back. When this did not work, the retinue again offered to raise rates ... as a result, they raised so high that it began to threaten Turkey itself.
    If Erdogan does not finish his retinue (Fidans and Khakars), which drowns more for geldings than for Turks, then the retinue will kill Erdogan himself.
    And Erdogan has very little time for this.
    1. Selevc 6 March 2020 16: 57 New
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      Quote: flicker
      The king is played by a retinue, especially one like Erdogan. The retinue whispered to him: raise bets,

      It reminds me of current fashionable phenomena in the cinema and in the press that - "The Führer is personally to blame for all the sins of fascism and the rest are" victims of the moment "- they simply had to follow the leader like a humble herd ... and so on in the same spirit "...
      These are excuses at the level of a pickpocket thief - "it wasn’t me stealing your wallet - it’s just that my hand accidentally ended up in your pocket ..."
  30. Selevc 6 March 2020 13: 50 New
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    Yes, and NATO, in general, wished the Turks "hold on and good mood"
    Very good help from the allies ... It would not hurt to "express my diplomatic concern" - it is also very effective help ...))
  31. Miron 6 March 2020 14: 17 New
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    One hell knows that he taldychit here.
    Not to clean up the country with tactical weapons, build hotels, and bring uninterrupted air traffic.
    They spend gold personnel so that the pressure in Heaven in the Security Council does not jump. Instead of taking care of vacations and a good night's sleep of fellow citizens and allies.
  32. Mitroha 6 March 2020 15: 47 New
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    Everything is painted just fine. Many thanks to the author.
  33. Shahno 6 March 2020 15: 51 New
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    The position is good ... Only the eastern ruler.
    Now he can accept. And then .. In a couple of weeks
    1. Mitroha 6 March 2020 16: 08 New
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      It seems that you are sending telegrams to your thought. Do not save letters, otherwise you are hard to understand
  34. parusnik 6 March 2020 16: 16 New
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    The meeting ended in a draw, in our favor ...
  35. Selevc 6 March 2020 16: 38 New
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    Relations between Russia and Turkey have recently been quite remarkable - they resemble the dialogue of two people who seem to want to be friends, and they seem to be friends - but each has his own fig in his pocket ....
    Erdogan is notable for the fact that he conducts the policy of his country as independently as possible from the USA and Europe ... Therefore, those who do not really harness for him ... I think that those who will play after him will no longer be able to ... So what can I say that Erdoganov’s Turkey is Turkey closest to Russia ...
  36. 2Albert 6 March 2020 16: 43 New
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    The Russian Federation sells grain to the Turks, from which they make flour for export to Asia and Africa. Turks provide themselves with food grain. KhtaSh maintains and finances Qatar, and they used to contain almost 60 thousand nusrit, so for military Turks this is a good business.
  37. Selevc 6 March 2020 17: 32 New
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    Yeah - if Erdogan planned to revive the Caliphate and make himself a new Osman, then the Idlib Gambit is clearly the first damn thing ...
    1. dauria 7 March 2020 00: 56 New
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      if Erdogan planned to revive the Caliphate and make himself a new Osman


      Among the sultans and caliphs, the opposition sat on a stake and with skin stripped off. And he doesn’t write angry facebook posts and demands democratic elections.
      A real sultan would begin with warriors inside, and not with warriors with neighbors.
  38. TatarinSSSR 6 March 2020 21: 18 New
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    I don’t understand even - it turns out that Idlib is lost, i.e. vast territory - for Damascus victory over Erdogan? Syrian planes shot down by the Turks - the victory of Russia, which controls the Syrian sky? Dozens of destroyed armored vehicles, air defense systems and other things, and most importantly - a hundred at least Assad's killed Syrian fighters - is it like the collapse of Erdogan? Is Russia’s harsh response — personal apologies to the president of the Russian Federation and condolences for the dead Turks — harsh? What was the author’s article that saw victorious, that he painted here a 10-page novel about how we all of them are? Syria lost for many years part of its territory. It is a fact. Militants will be crowded, budded, trained, armed in this territory, and as a result, attacking the troops and settlements of Syria - this is a fact. If Erdogan had not been stopped by negotiations, with a request to stop thrashing the Syrian army with air and ground strikes, Turkey would have driven Assad’s entire army into the Stone Age in a month. It is a fact. Russia would rest further - it would come to a serious aggravation of relations between Turkey and Russia - the overlap of the Bosphorus and hostilities would bring down the already suffering Russian economy to the level of the 90s. And everyone would help Turkey - from sheikhs to the United States - for future more loyal loyalty. The author caught up with the snowstorm ala, "How Erdogan was bent, well, well done," that's just all nonsense. Facts are facts. And there is nothing to be proud of.
    1. Salty 6 March 2020 21: 47 New
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      Quote: TatarinSSSR
      If Erdogan had not been stopped by negotiations, with a request to stop thrashing the Syrian army with air and ground strikes, Turkey would have driven Assad’s entire army into the Stone Age in a month. It is a fact

      Somehow strange it turns out: Erdogan could easily decide everything by force, but he went to negotiations and obeyed Putin's advice. Why's that?
      1. TatarinSSSR 6 March 2020 21: 50 New
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        And this is you from Putin and ask what kind of golden mountains he promised to Erdogan in order to save the Syrian army and the “Syrian express” along with Tartus and Khmeimim. For this “Victory” over Erdogan, Russian taxpayers are now paying half a century now.
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          And this is you from Putin and ask what kind of golden mountains he promised to Erdogan

          And he certainly promised them?

          Quote: TatarinSSSR
          taxpayers

          All. No comments laughing
          1. TatarinSSSR 6 March 2020 21: 53 New
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            Well, thank you. At least you won’t have to answer stupid questions.
            1. Salty 6 March 2020 21: 56 New
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              Well, thank you

              Do not mention it. Taxpayer. laughing
              1. TatarinSSSR 6 March 2020 22: 18 New
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                I pay taxes. Stable And as a jur. face and how physical. face. And according to the article, the only thing the Kremlin has achieved is the suspension of the full-scale beating of the Syrian army by the Turks. And then temporarily. And there are Israeli raids. And American. Putin just saved Assad’s army. Well, he didn’t quarrel with Turkey. And that’s it.
                1. Salty 6 March 2020 22: 24 New
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                  Quote: TatarinSSSR
                  the only thing the Kremlin has achieved is the suspension of the full-scale beating of the Syrian army by the Turks

                  After the Turks took half of Idlib, the situation was recorded. The Turks, of course, overpowered.

                  Quote: TatarinSSSR
                  I pay taxes. Stable

                  Well done, you would still learn to write competently. "Payer".
    2. 16329 6 March 2020 23: 15 New
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      Another nonsense, written, even criticize laziness. Turkey, in general, set as its goal the return to the line of the Sochi agreements of 2018, Assad was able to overcome some of the territories of Idlib, which were not under his control from 2012-2013,
      Unblocked roads, security corridors created, an excellent reserve for the future, to take control of the rest of the province
      The complete military and political victory of Russia and friendly Syria, the ability of Turkey to save face, etc. Stories about Western support for Turkey, blocking straits, the strength of the Turkish army, all this nonsense. You can tell yourself before bedtime to calm the nervous system
  39. Host Tavern 6 March 2020 22: 03 New
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    the deaths of 4 of our snipers from the TsSN FSB

    Remember !!!
  40. Sarkazm 7 March 2020 00: 38 New
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    Quote: TatarinSSSR
    I pay taxes. Stable And as a jur. face and how physical. face. And according to the article, the only thing the Kremlin has achieved is the suspension of the full-scale beating of the Syrian army by the Turks. And then temporarily. And there are Israeli raids. And American. Putin just saved Assad’s army. Well, he didn’t quarrel with Turkey. And that’s it.
    You are closer to the truth than the author of the article, but also in my opinion, go to extremes. Politics and decisions cannot be considered as a linear chain of decisions, it is a matrix, a complex.
    It is clear that the Turks did not like much, we did not like much, but neither the Turks nor we need a confrontation, the transition of events to a direct armed conflict. The GDP and its advisers have chosen the tactics of actually threatening direct conflict, this is a dangerous game, I repeat firstly Turkey is a NATO country, secondly they showed that they have eggs and they can go into direct conflict, and thirdly an asymmetric answer is possible.
    Everything is different with us, who breathed a sigh of relief, who took Erdogan’s arrival as a defeat and jumped with some kind of victorious hooting and unreasonable. Few people understood that they came to us as a big child down, and they communicate with us more and more often. Yes, we have the strength, but with our hope only in nuclear weapons and military force, the remnants of the former luxury of the USSR, inertia, that is, the lack of flexibility, topshin in foreign policy, we are already rolling down to a level below North Korea, and this is shameful. But the problem of Down is that he does not know shame, and simply does not understand shame. We lose on all counts, and the fault here is only on us, or rather, on our gentlemen, this is simply unsuitability, if you call a spade a spade.
    These events have once again shown that we are at the end, we have not reached the bottom yet, but we are approaching it. The rudeness of our authorities, impunity and lack of accountability in domestic politics, gives them a false impression of permissiveness and pushes them to unreasonable actions in foreign policy. Our people can endure for a long time, this is our personal business, as they say, but beyond the borders of our kingdom-state, such a practice cannot last long. We are losing both allies and partners as a result of such a policy. It was necessary to be above the situation, events, not their participant, and it was necessary to find solutions, including those acceptable to the Turks, especially since we had already faced our foreheads in Syria.
    Once again, it was a very favorable set of circumstances for us with pulling Turkey away from the United States, but in the end I think we lost Turkey as a partner. Yes, maybe we will supply the S-400, build a nuclear power plant, but this will not be the same, there will no longer be any prospects in this. We did not hear the Turks for the first time and it all ended with a downed Su-24, we did not hear them and now, for a long time no one will put up with us. The Turks are our neighbor, and by definition are always behind us, it was difficult to count on them as a pillar, but the situation could lead to such a development when the Turks would not consider the possibility of a blow to our backs. And now, as they say, God forbid we slip.
    So there are no reasons and grounds for victorious marches, it was our defeat and already one of them, as more and more countries along the perimeter of our borders begin to hate us and perceive us as inadequate.
    1. Whalebone 7 March 2020 07: 19 New
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      And you well done
    2. www3 7 March 2020 18: 43 New
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      the coolest thing is that Russia is constantly repeating that it is only in Syria legally and at the invitation of the Assad. in this case, all other aggressors and Turkish partners including)). What negotiations with the aggressor could be in this case? what victory is everyone broadcasting here? )) Russia stood on a par with criminals negotiating with them on an equal footing))
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        Speak the truth!
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  42. Klingon 7 March 2020 03: 38 New
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    Edik was given the same Tsak and politely (as yet) asked to put it on his nose wassat
  43. Ivan Osipov 7 March 2020 05: 22 New
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    A very competent article, a deep and versatile education of the author is felt. Great logical analysis. Thank!
  44. Whalebone 7 March 2020 07: 17 New
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    There is an excellent English proverb: action sounds louder then words. "So let's see. Sounding, as they say, does not turn over the bags. The next couple of weeks will show what we really (not) agreed on.
  45. Hazarov 7 March 2020 09: 22 New
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    If everything is so rotten for the Turks and rosy for Russia, then why did the Turks start all this? What did you want to achieve? A case of not stopping the advance of the SAA on Idlib? The defeat of the bearded man before the US withdrawal from Agan is needed by the Turks? If you defeat them now, then who will be the whole bunch of terror? To the Turks? Do they need it? Can the Turks pull the cat by the tail, and then ferment the whole topic of banderlog to Agan? And have fun in Central Asia while leaving there?
    And if so, is it a victory for our cause? No matter how zemshchina did not have to puff at the end for all these victories!
  46. syndicalist 7 March 2020 10: 03 New
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    As a result of negotiations, Erdogan received absolutely everything that he was counting on. The main thing is that the Idlib zone was assigned to him, along the border of which he also managed to establish a buffer zone.
  47. MKPU-115 7 March 2020 11: 06 New
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    The arrival of Erdogan is a gesture of will. Good or evil - I will not say. It will manifest itself soon.

    On the part of the assessment of diplomacy: those who desperately need it go.
  48. Fidel 7 March 2020 11: 13 New
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    Lying is a very dangerous thing. Destructive to the lying. Especially when it turns into self-deception. And the nonsense suddenly believes in that crazy picture that he painted for others. What we are observing now is climbing from all the cracks of the "collective West". Nedosultan is no exception.
  49. Essex62 7 March 2020 23: 20 New
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    Can I already scream cheers and throw a hat in the sky? Where is the victory? The Turks left the SAR or stopped sucking other people's oil. I didn’t even read to the end. Zadolbal this cheer - patriotism!
  50. Sarkazm 8 March 2020 03: 54 New
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    ... No matter how zemshchina did not have to puff at the end for all these victories!
    When it was different in general and do we have the right to expect anything else from the present?
    A whole series of mistakes and punctures, which are VERY expensive by the way, and even against the background of sanctions, falling oil prices, and their Majesties began to recall that, for example, the total expenses of the Russians, you and me, exceed significantly, the total OFFICIAL income. BINGO!!! This means there is a reserve due to which you can replenish the budget, which in turn pays for not only the chic life of poor geniuses in power and the "talented" managers from friends and colleagues appointed by them, but also the mistakes, sorry, mediocrity, all mentioned.
    But one small problem, our Russians, the relationship with the government was built on the principle that everyone steals as much as possible and wherever possible, plus the distribution of the loot from the top is ensured through the order of services from the lower classes. Now, the tops want to steal as before, but put the bottoms in a stall, but this is the problem of problems - in our country you can violate and redraw the constitution, violate any rights, but not touch one right, the right to steal if the authorities steal themselves, this is fraught with another revolution laughing Therefore, probably, changes to the constitution were required laughing
    Joke wink

    Syria is not interesting in itself, I repeat, we are a young capitalist country with the power of the oligarchy, we have no ideology for export, only the business and interests of a handful of our fellow citizens who own everything and everything in the country. But you need to look carefully at the reasons for the prerequisites for the beginning of the civil war in Syria and the further development of events more because it really hurts a lot of analogies in its recent past and in the actions of the authorities asking for our reality and probably possible development of events in the relatively near future.