Learning is light. But not for Ukraine


This year in Ukraine, the cost of tuition for students will increase sharply and everywhere. Moreover, it is planned to close as many universities as possible, to “reform”, “optimize” them, and the like, which in the Ukrainian version for those who become their object never ends with anything good. It seems that on the higher education system they finally decided to put an end to it.


The country of the victorious Euromaidan continues to move more and more intensively along the path of turning into an agrarian and raw materials appendage of developed countries, in addition supplying cheap and low-skilled labor there. The devastating reform of higher education actually started with the adoption by the Verkhovna Rada at the end of last year of a special law "On improving the educational activities of universities." Soon after, the Minister of Education of Ukraine (now former) Anna Novosad announced that the number of universities in the country alone should be reduced by three times, since now the state will finance them “based on performance indicators”. Who and by what criterion should determine those, was not specified.

So far, the main highlight of the planned innovations is clearly a significant increase in the cost of training for those who pass it on a paid (contract) basis. The Ministry of Education accuses university representatives of dumping, and the Ukrainians themselves of reluctance to spend money on a quality education. At the same time, according to officials, the quality of training is limping and “specialists” leave the walls of alma mater with diplomas, but without knowledge and necessary skills. On the one hand, there is some truth to this. On the other hand, given the real standard of living of the vast majority of Ukrainians, who in recent years have come to almost complete impoverishment, higher education costs will simply cut off hundreds of thousands of young people whose families will be physically unable to pay for it.

All this is all the more true that being a student in Ukraine right now is not a cheap pleasure. The number of seats for those who cook at public expense shrinks every year, like shagreen leather. In addition, in order to be awarded such an honor, an applicant needs not only to show excellent knowledge, but to break through the dense ranks of beneficiaries, today consisting primarily of the heroes of Euromaidan and participants of the ATO, as well as their offspring. All roads are open to those in the country ... The rest can only pay.

In the leading universities, “underestimated” for the year of study, before, it was necessary to spread from 30 to 70 thousand hryvnias (about 120-280 thousand rubles) per year. At the same time, in some institutes and even universities, a diploma could be obtained for a fee half or three times lower (12-20 thousand hryvnias per year). According to the new rules, not a single university will be able to take a student less than the amount of 30 thousand for an annual course of study. Moreover, every year this figure will steadily increase by another 10%. Depending on the specific educational institution and specialty, the price increase will be from 10-20% to 100%. On average, tuition prices will skyrocket by at least a third.

It’s easy to guess where this will lead. The same Novosad admitted last year: over the past decade, the number of students in Ukraine has already halved! In addition to the material side, there is one more point - often obtaining a diploma does not open any real prospects for a university graduate. Who, for example, needs “techies” in a country with completely destroyed industry? The conversations of Zelensky and the company about the upcoming "innovative breakthroughs" of Ukraine so far remain an empty air shake, in reality, the knowledge-intensive and technological sectors of the economy have almost completely degraded. Future "earners" higher education is not required, especially given the fact that they are increasingly mistrusted of Ukrainian diplomas in the world. And abroad, as a rule, those who are ready for the minimum fee to do the most difficult work, and not smart people with diplomas, are needed.

However, in the same Poland immigrants from Ukraine already account for more than half of foreign students. The tuition prices there were quite comparable with the Ukrainian ones before the “epochal” reform, and now they will even be lower. The prospect of employment after graduation from higher schools is much higher. Well, most likely, the data voiced by the Ukrainian Ministry of Finance in the middle of last year that at least one fifth of the country's able-bodied population (more than 3 million people) work today outside its borders will seriously change in the near future. Naturally, in the direction of increase.
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  1. Svarog 6 March 2020 16: 19 New
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    However, in the same Poland immigrants from Ukraine make up more than half of foreign students. The tuition prices there were quite comparable with the Ukrainian ones before the “epochal” reform, and now they will even be lower. The prospect of employment after graduation from higher schools is much higher.

    Now imagine that Russia would be socialist .. with free and high-quality education, everyone would go to study with us, and many would stay with us, and those who left would gratefully recall our teachers and Russia .. Opportunity to get quality free education can serve as a great blessing for the prestige of Russia and, as a result, the acquisition of allies and friends .. and especially this is relevant for the Slavic peoples .. But Russia, unfortunately, cannot boast of it now ..
    1. Engineer 6 March 2020 16: 33 New
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      Compared Master Project Management programs in Russia and the USA (online)
      Higher School of Economics 620 thousand 2 years full-time
      Missouri State University $ 11 000 years online remotely
      University of Tennessee $ 7000 1.5 years online remotely
      Prices are approximately equal to plus or minus. For amers convenience and ability to combine with work. Plus, the diploma does not need to be confirmed anywhere.
      As a result, I opted for the United States.
      But Mr. Kharaluzhny is certainly more concerned about Ukraine
      1. Tatyana 6 March 2020 16: 40 New
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        Learning is light. But not for Ukraine

        Everything, as it is in education in Ukraine, is everything realized according to Soros!
        1. Tatyana 6 March 2020 17: 11 New
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          It is noteworthy that the Minister of Education of Ukraine (now former) Anna Novosad (born in 1990 in the Vinnitsa region) passed to the Verkhovna Rada from the party "People's Servants" Zelensky.

          REFERENCE
          Education
          - In 2007, Novosad Anna Igorevna received higher education in the Ukrainian Humanities Lyceum at KNU named after Taras Shevchenko.
          - At the National University of the Kiev-Mohyla Academy. She received a bachelor's degree in 2011.
          - In 2013, she received a master's degree in European studios from the Netherlands University of Maastricht.
          Novosad Anna Igorevna is a Fellow of the Open Society Foundation (Soros Foundation).
          Partly speaks English and German.
          Career and business
          In the period from 2007 to 2014, she was an adviser to the Minister of Education, Sergey Kvita. Later became Director General of the DIRECTORATE for Strategic Planning and European Integration of the Ministry of Education and Science.

          TOTAL Where in the education Soros and "pigs" pass, there is nothing for the simple people to do!
          And from a change of place in the Ukrainian government from the Zelensky party “Servant of the People”, nothing will change in Ukraine.
        2. Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2020 17: 20 New
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          In Ukraine, the best education in the world.
          1. Tatyana 6 March 2020 17: 24 New
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            Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
            In Ukraine, the best education in the world.

            Yeah! no And do not say! wassat It would be funny if I didn't want to cry. sad
            1. Nikolay Ivanov_5 7 March 2020 00: 31 New
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              It looks like there are a lot of maidanus skakusy - for the previous comment I caught a few minuses.
      2. businessv 6 March 2020 16: 51 New
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        Quote: Engineer
        But Mr. Kharaluzhny is certainly more concerned about Ukraine

        I don’t think it’s bothering, it’s just interesting information, especially against the background of the really deplorable state of industry.
        1. behappy 6 March 2020 20: 50 New
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          Quote: businessv
          ... deplorable state of industry

          ))))))))) Laughing out loud!! Interesting information (about education !!!!) ESPECIALLY against the backdrop of the deplorable state of industry. )))))))))))))))))
          The logic is iron! What vocational school did you graduate from? ))))
          1. businessv 6 March 2020 22: 47 New
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            Quote: behappy
            The logic is iron! What vocational school did you graduate from? ))))

            Dear Expert, there were many technical universities in the Square, there were more than humanitarian ones due to the fact that Ukraine was the most industrialized republic of the Union. These universities trained engineers for the industry of Ukraine, so the problems are not only with logic, but also with your thinking, my competent and logically perfect friend with preschool education! laughing
      3. 210ox 6 March 2020 17: 10 New
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        I would personally attend to the problem of education in Russia. They chose their path. Fair wind in the back.
      4. bk316 6 March 2020 17: 13 New
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        Compare Master Project Management Programs

        Well, firstly, you compare the country's most expensive university with a provincial, you compare with Harvard.
        Secondly, what kind of course is this? Give a reference?
        1. Engineer 6 March 2020 17: 20 New
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          I compare universities about equal in terms of demand in of Russia. Diplomas are quoted here approximately equally (personal assessment). For work abroad, these "provincial" universities are much more promising. HSE was not near Harvard. Both in cost and in quality and in career prospects.
          Secondly, what kind of course is this? Give a reference?

          Any three links? Googles is elementary
          1. bk316 10 March 2020 10: 30 New
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            Any three links? Googles is elementary

            There, before the fig management programs in different areas and in different forms. Eating is much cheaper and more expensive. So I want to know if you compared correctly or how it is customary to soft with small laughing
            1. Engineer 10 March 2020 12: 20 New
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              https://build.missouristate.edu/pm/Traditional.htm
              https://www.hse.ru/ma/pm/
              1. bk316 10 March 2020 13: 39 New
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                Thank you.
                Well, yes, as I thought, you are comparing full-time and distance learning via correspondence.
                Why not full-time? Indeed, in Missouri, there is one. https://build.missouristate.edu/pm/estimated-costs.htm Only not $ 11K but $ 18K, that is, about 2 times more expensive.

                The funny thing is that it is written on the website of an American university: save your money, use on line. So that you do not take advice and choose not a tower but MSU. It will already be one and a half times cheaper. And if you choose the correspondence form, it will turn out 3 times cheaper than in the USA.

                By the way, I don’t understand. How were you going to study full-time? Are you a schoolboy?
                1. Engineer 10 March 2020 14: 15 New
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                  I wrote from the very beginning.
                  Higher School of Economics 620 thousand 2 years in person
                  Missouri State University $ 11 000 years online remotely

                  And if you choose the correspondence form, it will turn out 3 times cheaper than in the USA.

                  In 2019, when I chose, there was no recruitment for part-time study in this specialty either in the tower or at Moscow State University. Therefore, a comparison of full-time and part-time is quite legitimate.
                  By the way, I don’t understand. How were you going to study full-time?

                  For amers convenience and the ability to combine with work.

                  Just learning to read is enough.
                  1. bk316 10 March 2020 16: 29 New
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                    Therefore, a comparison of full-time and part-time is quite legitimate.

                    It is legitimate, but the conclusion at that time is different. You cannot get this education in this form at the HSE for any money. laughing

                    Probably you are right about the cost of some courses. You only need to understand that full-time evening and correspondence education are 3 different educations. laughing Since I lectured at the evening VMiK I know for myself. However, in my opinion, learning is always good, success. hi
                    1. Engineer 10 March 2020 17: 40 New
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                      Thank you.
                      By the way, MSU master's program is only full-time. All. The total cost of 800 thousand is much more expensive than the tower
                      1. bk316 10 March 2020 18: 25 New
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                        This does not fit?
                        https://hsmi.msu.ru/hqp-types/project-and-process-management
                      2. Engineer 10 March 2020 19: 07 New
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                        No. This is a professional retraining with a certificate. And to me the master must have
    2. mark2 6 March 2020 18: 05 New
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      Online training is like correspondence boxing. There is movement, no use. Only the diploma of the listed universities does not need to be confirmed.
      And then we wonder why the missiles do not fly, but there is no economy. No one needs to confirm a diploma.
    3. And Ukraine will soon fall apart, will soon freeze, will soon jump ... And that's all for Kharaluzhny.
      1. Nyrobsky 6 March 2020 23: 33 New
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        And Ukraine will soon fall apart, will soon freeze, will soon jump ... And that's all for Kharaluzhny.

        What counterarguments do you have to refute this? What have you created, what have you come to? The fact that Ukraine still exists is by no means its merit. This is due to the fact that she eats up what she inherited from the USSR, but this "forage base" is not infinite and naturally approaches complete exhaustion, after which everything will happen exactly according to Kharaluzhny.
        1. Please predict in which year it will fall apart. What will not freeze without our gas, and even make money on it, will you refute? Or did three lards also come from the USSR? Together with gas in storage?
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    5. carstorm 11 6 March 2020 21: 36 New
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      you do not compare distance learning and full-time then) I went through both of them and I can confidently say that these are very different things)
      1. Engineer 6 March 2020 23: 02 New
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        My experience is that it is very close.
        1. carstorm 11 6 March 2020 23: 20 New
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          Well, how can I say ... here my experience is that sleepless nights because I lived in the Far East and wild stress when you force yourself to learn modules every day is not quite the same as in normal listening to a lecture from a living person in normal time of day) so different that I would even say dramatically. the only plus for me personally from the distance is victory over myself. First, my wife studied, and then our child was less than a year old. so that she would sleep from work, leave in the morning and walk with a child for a couple of hours. Tutors do not care where we come from geographically.
          1. Engineer 6 March 2020 23: 45 New
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            You are right in that everything depends on the lifestyle and exacting work. My situation allows me to study without a strain. But discipline really needs tough. As for the tutors, I could only dream of such support as now
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  3. tihonmarine 6 March 2020 16: 40 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    Now imagine that Russia would be socialist .. with free and quality education,

    And what is there to represent, it was exactly in the USSR. At that time I was studying in Leningrad, how many dormitories were there in the metro station Prospect Stachek, in the Vyborg department store. Foreigners studied at every institute and technical school, especially from Arab countries and African countries. On Lesnoy Avenue, opposite the bathhouse, Chinese medical students lived there.
    1. Reserve officer 6 March 2020 21: 13 New
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      Yes, Vlad, right. There were a lot of foreign students in Leningrad and Moscow.
      But you commented something on my brain confused. Vyborg department store is Lesnoy, 37.
      Prospect Stachek - in a completely different area. And something I don’t remember such a metro station "Prospect Stachek". There are only three metro stations on this avenue - Narvskaya, Kirovsky Zavod and Avtovo. On this branch, on the one hand, the Baltiyskaya metro is already on Obvodnoye, and on the other, the Leninsky Prospekt metro is already on Leninsky. And only the metro station "Dachnoe" was renamed, it became "Leninsky Prospekt".
      Never in Leningrad there was such a metro station "Prospect Stachek". Or has something become of my memory?
      1. tihonmarine 6 March 2020 22: 05 New
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        But you commented something on my brain confused. Vyborg department store is Lesnoy, 37.

        That's right, house 37 sq. 481, the last entrance. Opposite the tram stop 9, a bathhouse on the right 300 meters to the right, on the second floor there is a men's section, with a buffet, with beer and rowan on cognac from the buffet, you can see a hostel for students of the Pediatric Institute opposite. That was a long time ago.
      2. tihonmarine 6 March 2020 22: 06 New
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        Quote: Stock Officer
        Prospect Stachek - in a completely different area.

        There is a fishing port, to Coal Harbor on the 17th bus, I worked there. Therefore, I know everything.
      3. tihonmarine 6 March 2020 22: 14 New
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        Quote: Stock Officer
        Stachek Rospect - in a completely different area. And something I don’t remember such a metro station "Prospect Stachek". There are only three metro stations on this avenue - Narvskaya, Kirovsky Zavod and Avtovo

        Avtovo metro, for 50 years I started to forget, but I remember the strike avenue, the bus 17 opposite, on the left in meters 300 meters away Krasnenkoe cemetery, and in the 60s the T-34 tank stood on a pedestal, further a swamp, and then a microdistrict grew, with streets of marshals . And in the 60s there was a swamp and a dump, and 3 yellow houses in front of the fishing port.
        1. Reserve officer 6 March 2020 22: 40 New
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          Yes, Vlad, time is running out. Tank KV-85 there on a pedestal. In 1951 he was put on. Now it’s difficult to get to know the city. I moved to Marshal Zhukov in 2009 from another district. So the border of Peter there was still along Valor Street, then - a wasteland. And now the Chinese have built a whole city there. All access to the bay is blocked. The city of childhood only remained in memory.
          1. tihonmarine 6 March 2020 22: 49 New
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            Quote: Stock Officer
            The city of childhood only remained in memory.

            I only stayed in my memory, I moved to my grandmother on Lesnaya 37 in 1964, came to study. I live all the old memories of those years. But I didn’t even know about the Chinese. However, Matvienko probably tried.
  4. tacet 6 March 2020 17: 23 New
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    Studying at higher educational institutions of the USSR did not always make a friend of the USSR a student; (Kenyata Jomo, for example, and Jiang Jingo, the son of Chiang Kai-shek and the president of Taiwan) Yes, and free education in high school only appeared in 1956. This is me to the point that you should not idealize!
  5. Nikolay Ivanov_5 6 March 2020 17: 24 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    However, in the same Poland immigrants from Ukraine make up more than half of foreign students. The tuition prices there were quite comparable with the Ukrainian ones before the “epochal” reform, and now they will even be lower. The prospect of employment after graduation from higher schools is much higher.

    Now imagine that Russia would be socialist .. with free and high-quality education, everyone would go to study with us, and many would stay with us, and those who left would gratefully recall our teachers and Russia .. Opportunity to get quality free education can serve as a great blessing for the prestige of Russia and, as a result, the acquisition of allies and friends .. and especially this is relevant for the Slavic peoples .. But Russia, unfortunately, cannot boast of it now ..



    How many complaints do freeloaders have?
  6. Grandfather Crimea 6 March 2020 18: 22 New
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    Moreover, people would remain with us, kindred by mentality, what the doctor prescribed)))))) But so far alas (
  7. Tomich3 7 March 2020 17: 44 New
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    You are sick of it with your USSR and if yes
  • knn54 6 March 2020 16: 26 New
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    "STATE QUARTER", however.
  • gabonskijfront 6 March 2020 16: 36 New
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    I cannot understand why the charm of the peripheral, secondary, alien main part of the population of Ukraine, this Galician identity, and how this population could exchange Suvorov, Kutuzov, Nakhimov, our great common historical past for a miserable lie about underbodies like benders.
    1. 210ox 6 March 2020 17: 13 New
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      Population??!!!! Graduates of universities in the RSFSR and received distribution in the flourishing USSR now carry such nonsense ... And you are the "population" .... Zombies bit.
      1. Avior 6 March 2020 18: 21 New
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        You don’t need to go far for an example, Pavel Klimkin, graduate of the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, a native of Kursk smile
    2. Grandfather Crimea 6 March 2020 18: 30 New
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      Every school in Sevastopol has a Museum of Glory. There every meter of the earth is saturated with blood, everywhere monuments, streets are called heroes .... When you talk about this in the center of Ukraine, you cannot understand why everyone remembers and passes on through generations. And this is the core, it’s the reinforced concrete basis of patriotism. We studied almost at the same time, and in the center they don’t know anything. Teachers were bad. History has become not historical, but political. Marasmus and schizophrenia.
    3. Kronos 6 March 2020 19: 23 New
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      Everything is very simple propaganda and brainwashing for a long time, the higher standard of living of Europeans and not Russia did their job
    4. behappy 6 March 2020 21: 01 New
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      Suvorov, Nakhimov, Kutuzov .. Each country has its own heroes. Yes, this is a story, and for Ukraine too. But for Ukraine, these are events that have affected the country, and for Russia, this is something else. For Switzerland, these personalities are practically nothing at all. And nothing live, and how they live !! And without oil, and without gas in its bowels. And, damn it, without Suvorov and Kutuzov! How is that? How could they ?!
      Strange!
      1. primaala 6 March 2020 23: 23 New
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        Quote: behappy
        Suvorov, Nakhimov, Kutuzov .. Each country has its own heroes. Yes, this is a story, and for Ukraine too. But for Ukraine, these are events that have affected the country, and for Russia, this is something else. For Switzerland, these personalities are practically nothing at all. And nothing live, and how they live !! And without oil, and without gas in its bowels. And, damn it, without Suvorov and Kutuzov! How is that? How could they ?!
        Strange!

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        You are a little confused. Europe is not all in chocolate. Germany, Great Britain, Switzerland, Sweden and a little \ a little France. Other countries under the EU are impoverished and unemployed. What Brussels singled out is what they live for. It’s not worth talking about the Baltic states. There is generally a pipe. As for the "live well." The Bilderberg Club cannot allow all of Europe to become impoverished. Therefore, the owners of the Fed roulette, (and these are Soros), "mint" the dollar and Eureka for days on the machine. For just so unfasten the leading countries in the EU. Brussels - CASH. That's the whole layout of your dreams.
      2. dauria 6 March 2020 23: 39 New
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        But for Ukraine, these are events that have affected the country,


        Kutuzov affected the country called "Ukraine"? What, by taking Ishmael?
        Well, you see ... he did not know then that in 1992 such would appear. I have a table in a room older than the whole "Ukrainian" history.
        So after all, you can get down to the point of absurdity — they say that the Swedes and Russians of some kind of hell on a “Ukrainian” land near Poltava started a fight.
        Dubolomes, instead of being proud of their history and their people as part of the USSR and the Russian Empire (and there is something to be proud of). They took- and erased bashfully with a wet rag. Tfu.
  • Galina schreder 6 March 2020 16: 41 New
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    Sors does not need smart in Ukraine.
    1. Svarog 6 March 2020 16: 44 New
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      Quote: Galina Schreder
      Sors does not need smart in Ukraine.

      Yes, and in Russia are not needed .. we were divided and quietly driven into the Stone Age ..
      1. KVIRTU 11 March 2020 15: 52 New
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        A branch of the Soros Foundation was opened in one of the buildings of our school, KVIRTU, in 1994. In 1999, the school was disbanded ... As, however, the Krasnoyarsk radio command ... It was still Vilnius.
  • Alien From 6 March 2020 17: 00 New
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    The non-brothers forgot that the slaves must be illiterate ....... or their owners did not tell them about ....!
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    Something this reminds me of ... Ah, well, yes, with us it is almost the same. Years passed a few years ago.
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  • vladimych 6 March 2020 17: 42 New
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    The rich people are in Ukraine. 280 thousand per year for training.
    1. Avior 6 March 2020 18: 16 New
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      This author has a rich imagination
      35 per year. One and a half monthly salaries
      1. asv363 6 March 2020 19: 16 New
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        Sergey, the author has written from 30000 to 70000 in hryvnias. Ruble prices are based on the rate of 4 rubles. for 1 hryvnia.
        1. Avior 6 March 2020 19: 27 New
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          Actually, up to 15 thousand in hryvnias per year, I gave the link below, this is the usual price
          This is approximately 35- 38 thousand in rubles
  • Undecim 6 March 2020 17: 56 New
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    I wonder what audience the fiery speeches of the propagandist Haraluzhny are intended for.

    Growth dynamics of the annual cost of training at the Higher School of Economics at the specialties in the period from 2015 to 2019, in rubles.
    I propose to calculate the percent of the growth in the cost of training for Haraluzhny.
    1. Engineer 6 March 2020 18: 12 New
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      for which audience are the fiery speeches of the propagandist Kharaluzhny?

      Unfortunately, it seems that for the main one. I hope that this is a mistake and we simply do not see the silent majority.
    2. carstorm 11 6 March 2020 21: 47 New
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      HSE is autonomous and can show any dynamics. This is a university of the three most desirable for admission. he is a leader in employment. his students are the most sought after in the market in the country.
  • Avior 6 March 2020 18: 15 New
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    What article is incomprehensible about
    This Novosad is no longer what the new minister will say, is unknown
    The usual cost of training in Ukraine is 15 thousand hryvnias per year, that is, this is one and a half average monthly salaries
    http://pk.zntu.edu.ua/fakultety-ta-napryamy-pidhotovky/vartist-navchannya-bakalavr
    Not very high pay, to be honest
    Metropolitan, understandably more expensive
    And what is going to Poland from Ukraine to universities is not for the sake of the quality of education, but to make a good job easier to find. The problem is not in universities, but in salaries. And by the way, it’s quite possible to learn from the Poles for free
  • Million 6 March 2020 20: 42 New
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    I won’t be surprised if the same thing happens in Russia in a year or two.
  • Vladimir Mashkov 6 March 2020 20: 50 New
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    NOTHING surprising: the collapse of everything and everything, the debilitation of the under-state is in full swing! It is clear that the puppy MUST die. But when? There is no strength to endure, but everyone pretends that it does not concern them !!!
  • Igoresha 6 March 2020 21: 43 New
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    Of the 18 students of 11 grades of my teacher, only two went to study on a budget - the rest are paid; True, he prepared for a long time, scored on unnecessary items and hired repeaters in key disciplines.

    on Mir channel, the plot of Moldavian woman recently entered the Prague chemist university, it is very happy because among the subjects there is no nonsense such as ethics and philosophy, only specialized disciplines
    1. Sergej1972 7 March 2020 16: 58 New
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      Strange, but I read that in the Czech Republic the old European traditions of higher education have been preserved and the humanitarian block is very strong even among tech students.
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        in the Czech Republic and Poland, a fairly high level of universities.
  • Petrol cutter 6 March 2020 21: 47 New
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    Speaking of birds!
    I can’t understand what kind of situation is happening in Russian schools in Crimea?
    I work in a closed factory. I do not have the right to disclose (although I did not give a subscription). I told the same child / wife just once.
    Teachers, for some reason, are forced to write some essays on the topic of the plant, then photographs from the place of work (it is forbidden to take pictures).
    Is this the case with everyone, or "should I have a closer look" at the teachers?!.
    Therefore, it’s just another, but personally, I may have problems at work with such essays and essays ... request
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich 7 March 2020 11: 32 New
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      if this is the case, then it’s time to teach the school itself to "write essays" in the office of an investigator or operational FSB officer
  • Bagalan52 6 March 2020 23: 28 New
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    Quote: behappy
    And, damn it, without Suvorov and Kutuzov!

    In Switzerland, Suvorov is remembered. And there is even a monument.
  • Sahalinets 7 March 2020 08: 54 New
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    I work in Russian higher education. I don’t know how it is in Ukraine, but our tower is a sinking ship, and the authorities stupidly rearranges the chairs on its deck.
    It is necessary to beat this alarm, and not laugh at the non-brothers! In this area, we certainly have nothing to be proud of.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich 7 March 2020 11: 30 New
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    I do not understand why they need a higher education at all? To lay bricks, wash toilets, pick strawberries, you can without a diploma. To be able to put a signature and know the numbers, up to 20 is quite enough.
  • parusnik 7 March 2020 15: 05 New
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    And in parrots I’m much longer ... smile In the sense, you look around Russia, look at Ukraine and yes ... in parrots we have much better ... Although .. there are bourgeois in power, we have ... Whose bourgeois is better ... laughing
  • Fishery 9 March 2020 14: 02 New
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    Well, such a process, Ukrainians are students in Poland, in their place are Syrians, Turks, Pakistanis and others, I see the whole process clearly, the former receive education tied to the realities, the latter apparently return home with cheap diplomas. local rectors also indulge, because they need to be taught for the budget and these places are reduced every year, and foreigners pay stably.
  • Lara Croft 25 March 2020 22: 18 New
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    However, in the same Poland immigrants from Ukraine make up more than half of foreign students. The tuition prices there were quite comparable with the Ukrainian ones before the “epochal” reform, and now they will even be lower.

    The aforementioned applies to the Russian Federation as well, to get a quality higher education in the Czech Republic is cheaper than in Moscow ..
    there is one more point - often getting a diploma does not open any real prospects for a graduate. Who, for example, needs “techies” in a country with completely destroyed industry?

    This took place in the Russian Federation in the 90s, when industrial enterprises and vocational schools / vocational schools / technical schools were closed at them ...
    Anna Novosad said that the number of universities in the country alone should be reduced by three times, since now the state will finance them "based on performance indicators."

    Only repeats the words of DAM, about a large number of lawyers and managers ... if you are building a country with a market economy, then there can be no extra lawyers, managers, economists (serving your business) in nature, if you build an economy where state dominates. monopolism, then you better have strong punitive / cameral organs and a manual criminal defense lawyer corps ...