The development of compact radars for drones has begun in Russia

Promising future Russian unmanned aerial vehicles will receive small-sized radars in the future. As transmits "NPlus1" with reference to RT, Russian defense industry enterprises have already begun to develop radar data.

According to published data, work on the creation of a small-sized radar station is being carried out by specialists from the Era military technopolis. The project is still at the research stage. The details of the development are not disclosed, it is known that in the future it is planned to install mini-radar not only on UAVs, but also on ground Drones.

Another small-sized radar option is being developed jointly by the Fazotron-NIIR enterprise and the Moscow aviation institute. To date, they have managed to create a prototype of a radar station weighing about 50 kg. During testing, this radar was installed on the AN-2 aircraft. According to experts, even a small-sized radar is capable of forming a high-definition image.

According to the statement of experts, compact radar stations installed on drones will significantly expand reconnaissance capabilities. drones, as well as better navigate in the airspace.

In 2016, the American company Echodyne introduced the compact radar station MESA-K for drones, which allows you to get an idea of ​​the air situation at a distance of up to 3 kilometers. The length of the container with the radar is 21,6 centimeters, width - 7,6 centimeters, height - 2,5 centimeters, weight - 800 grams.

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[McDonnell Douglas]

Better late than never!

[rocket757]

Quote: McDonnell Douglas

Better late than never!

I agree, but DO NOT AGREE!

[FenH]

[quote] In 2016, the American company Echodyne introduced a compact radar station MESA-K for drones, which allows you to get an idea of ​​the air situation at a distance of up to 3 kilometers. The length of the container with the radar is 21,6 centimeters, width - 7,6 centimeters, height - 2,5 centimeters, weight - 800 grams[quote] (USA)
[/ quote] Today they managed to create a prototype of a radar station weighing about 50 kg !!!!. [quote] (Russia)
Long live our chips, the largest chips in the world

[FenH]

Quote: figvam

Echodyne introduced the MESA-K compact radar for drones, allowing you to get an idea of ​​the air situation at a distance of up to 3 kilometers.

Last year there was a message.

The Ruselectronics holding (part of Rostec) has developed a target radio illumination station (ROC), which can detect miniature unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) at a distance of up to 7,5 km. This was reported by the press service of the state corporation.

Sergey, what is the weight of the station? MESA-K has 800 grams-3 km

[figwam]

They don’t write anything about weight, but there are sizes.

The station consists of a compact multi-channel Ka-band radar, a control laptop, as well as a rotary device. The latter provides visibility in all directions. Coordination of the station is carried out both manually and automatically. When an object is detected, the equipment transmits information to the control room or to the control center. The size of the equipment presented is small - 325x240x230 mm.

The complex is a joint development of JSC NPP Salyut (part of Roselektronika) and MKB Fakel (part of Almaz-Antey East Kazakhstan Concern). The product is made entirely on the domestic electronic component base and has no analogues in Russia, TASS reports.

[FenH]

Quote: figvam

They don’t write anything about weight, but there are sizes.

The station consists of a compact multi-channel Ka-band radar, a control laptop, as well as a rotary device. The latter provides visibility in all directions. Coordination of the station is carried out both manually and automatically. When an object is detected, the equipment transmits information to the control room or to the control center. The size of the equipment presented is small - 325x240x230 mm.

The complex is a joint development of JSC NPP Salyut (part of Roselektronika) and MKB Fakel (part of Almaz-Antey East Kazakhstan Concern). The product is made entirely on the domestic electronic component base and has no analogues in Russia, TASS reports.

Too big

[figwam]

Quote: FenH

Too big

But he sees further.

[FenH]

Quote: figvam

Quote: FenH

Too big

But he sees further.

We have to think 325x240x230 mm-7,5 km versus 216x76x25 mm-3 km

[ultra]

But doesn’t it bother you that she only sees the air?

[Lopatov]

Quote: FenH

allowing to get an idea of ​​the air situation

to form a high definition image.

These are different types of stations

[Zaurbek]

If AFAR .... then one radar.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zaurbek

If AFAR .... then one radar.

Once again, "generate high definition images"
And here is AFAR?

[Zaurbek]

Gives a high definition image .... on the ground ...

[Lopatov]

Exactly.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Радиолокационное_синтезирование_апертуры

[Advisor to the Council of Advisers]

According to the published data, specialists from the Era military technopolis are working on the creation of a small-sized radar station.

It's nice to see that specialists from Era are working. It seems that the technopolis will bear more and more fruit.

[Wolf]

When and who makes a GOOD radar for drones, the DRONES DRIVER will immediately begin production, which would be useful for an example in Idlib. Then the Chinese will probably become the most powerful country in the world. It is easy for them to rivet them to thousands.

[Alexey from Perm]

10 years later can do ..

[APASUS]

Not too late have begun the development of radar for UAVs?

[Sergey39]

You can use the best practices of foreign manufacturers, which came as a trophy.

[APASUS]

Quote: Sergey39

You can use the best practices of foreign manufacturers, which came as a trophy.

This is not the question, I think our experience is enough, the question is rather what did you do before? Where did the billions allocated for the program to create a modern UAV go if you just announced the creation of the radar?

[Hagalaz]

Yes, most likely they adapt one of the existing ones.

[rocket757]

Russian promising unmanned aerial vehicles will receive small-sized radars in the future. As reported by "NPlus1" with reference to RT, Russian enterprises of the military-industrial complex have already begun to develop radar data.

Shaw say, shaw say ... it was necessary to start, as if the day before yesterday.

[Hexenmeister]

So we finished the day before yesterday, here is the text from the open press, essentially a year ago:

By the order of the Kronstadt group, for a medium-high UAV with a long flight duration, Orion-E in NIIP, a radar with a rotary HEADLAND of a circular (± 180 °) view was developed. It is planned to transfer a prototype of such a radar to flight tests as part of a UAV in the near future.

[rocket757]

Question, but is it ???
A passing question - And on whose components?

[Thrifty]

In Chinese, whose else?

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Thrifty

In Chinese, whose else?

Do not talk nonsense ..

[FenH]

Quote: rocket757

Question, but is it ???
A passing question - And on whose components?

Judging by the weight of the product, it is from domestic

[Hexenmeister]

So a prototype for flight tests is not a wooden overall mass equivalent. And then NIIP is not the boys from the ERA.

[rocket757]

The prototype ... the thing is familiar, it’s long been true, but it was ALL OUR!

[Hexenmeister]

Well, this familiar case can most likely be attributed to the NIIR mentioned in the article, how much they already make the Afar Beetle, about ten or fifteen years?

[rocket757]

About ten years, fifteen, we think fell out of life and science! Maybe more.
Many here are such that have dropped out of the process for a long time and it is a great success that then a job was found at least somewhat close to the previous profession. Not everyone is so lucky.

[Hexenmeister]

Do not poison the soul :) For some reason, over the years, the question is more and more tormenting me, maybe it was better to wait out troubled times somehow than at least something close to the previous area of ​​work ...

[Horon]

In 2016, the American company Echodyne introduced the compact radar station MESA-K for drones, which allows you to get an idea of ​​the air situation at a distance of up to 3 kilometers. The length of the container with the radar is 21,6 centimeters, width - 7,6 centimeters, height - 2,5 centimeters, weight - 800 grams.

I don’t even want to comment on it somehow.

To date, they have managed to create a prototype of a radar station weighing about 50 kg. During testing, this radar was installed on the AN-2 aircraft.

So, it’s only possible to put it on a drone weighing at least 6 tons. But what if you have to use drones weighing less than 1 ton? How much weight will there be for other components and components? Neither the task of this radar, nor the correspondence of these characteristics to the intended tasks is clear. If this is a large drone, why not install a promising radar that will also be used for manned vehicles?

[Pivot]

And why a radar on a drone weighing less than a ton?

[Horon]

All the same reconnaissance, striking with small ammunition sometimes requires the same additional information that the radar, an anti-drone fighter, can provide. A drone flying during poor visibility also requires the presence of a radar to control the situation around.

[Thrifty]

Where are our attack drones? The Turks put us in an impenetrable light, bombing Syrian vehicles with their Ankas! What, there is nothing to answer? For many years we sculpt something, and are armed with a fig with butter? Although, with our realities, there is pure cookies, without oil. ..

[donavi49]

It was believed that UAVs are not needed, and if they are needed, then reconnaissance is enough. Then they began to speed up programs. Again, in Syria, a shortage of shock UAVs manifested itself - when an Outpost recorded the deployment of Babakh MLRS vehicles or the exit of a mechanized group from shelters, but there was nothing to cover or delay. As a result, either empty positions or shot farms were selected. In general, inflicted damage far from the maximum possible.

There are no shock UAVs in Russia. There are only prototypes.

On the other hand, if you really squeeze it, you can buy Chinese dragons. They showed themselves perfectly in Iraq, in Libya they show good. Yemen is worse, but there is a very complex theater, dubious operators and an ingenious opponent, who launches the R-27ET and R-73 through FLIR over air targets above 3km.

[Lopatov]

Quote: donavi49

and if necessary, intelligence is enough

?
Is a radar with a synthesized aperture for reconnaissance. UAVs are not needed? Especially in conditions of lag in IR intelligence systems.

[Yarik]

50 kg and 800 gr. Just earth and sky !!!

[Dikson]

50 kg ... is there a power supply unit from the 60s, with selenium diodes and a transformer weighing one and a half pounds? What kind of drone to put such a fool on? Oh yes, it’s written, they put it on the An-2 during the tests .. In general .. good luck!

[AVA77]

MESA-K Radar operates in the Ka-band (the base operating frequency of the station is 24 gigahertz) and can detect other airborne objects at ranges of up to three kilometers. This is certainly remarkable, the size and all that, but the range of 3 km does not go into any gates. Our muddy something more long-range from here and the weight of 50 kg.

Here it is this radar MESA-K-DEV and iPhone 6

[ultra]

And most importantly, it only works for air, and IMHO the main task of the drone is ground reconnaissance.

[AVA77]

So 3km can be dispensed with optics. All the same, the MESA-K thing is more civilian.
I don’t know why they screwed it to the article. Maybe for advertising purposes

[alexmach]

And what kind of wire is connected to it? Is it not food by chance?

[AVA77]

It does not look like an RF connector, most likely power. He has a campaign inside.
The main purpose for detecting la and preventing collisions.

[Lopatov]

Quote: AVA77

can detect other aerial objects at ranges of up to three kilometers

8))))
But how can she?

[yfast]

If you throw out all the mechanics, then, probably, kilogram 2 will remain. This is what we must go to.

[Reserve buildbat]

So look - it becomes sad. We have a 50 kg radar, 0,8 kg for mattresses. But the question immediately arises - what are the characteristics of our radar? After all, 0,8kg mattresses are wonderful, but a 3km range is ridiculous. UAV simply can not do anything before it is shot down. Again, there is the issue of noise immunity. And these are not milligrams of weight either. So we will wait

[Galleon]

Now you can understand my sadness when in the mid-90s I saw that my entire ship's radio intelligence group was able to replace a laptop with an all-band Japanese receiver the size of a brick and a XNUMX meter antenna.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Stroibat stock

If you look, it becomes sad. We have a 50 kg radar, 0,8 kg for mattresses.

Yeah, they have such a drill.

We have such

How scary to live ...

In general, their AN / APY-8 Lynx II radar for a similar purpose weighs not "0.8" but from 36 to 54 kg. So it goes...

[Shimshon]

https://www.iai.co.il/defense/air/airborne-radars
Hermes 900 Weatherproof Tactical Unmanned Aerial Vehicle
The UAV is equipped with a satellite communications system, optoelectronic surveillance systems, aperture synthesized radar, moving target radar, infrared sensors, a laser rangefinder, electronic warfare, as well as a data exchange system that allows the image to be transmitted to the control center in real time .

IAI Heron
The UAV is equipped with a MOSP TV / FLIR complex with a real-time transmission system for GCS or an EL / M-2055 SAR / MTI reconnaissance container; it can also be equipped with Elta EL / M-2022U Maritime Patrol Radar radars. The UAV has a digital control system with a two-way data transmission system

[kit88]

Again a plate? Where's the headlamp?
I hope the photo chosen by the author has nothing to do with the content of the article.

[Donkey driver]

"Promising unmanned aerial vehicles in the future will receive small radars"

Every sentence is beautiful in this sentence. Promising devices in the future will receive promising radars. Nothing has been done at all, neither the first nor the second, and medals are already asking.

[Ros 56]

Woke up, but this thing had to be ready at least 10 years ago. I can’t continue, there were only interjections.

[BREAKTHROUGH READY]

Say thank you to those who have called UAVs useless toys for all these 10 years and drowned so that resources (and they are not rubber) were allocated to unit wunderwaffes of dubious utility.

[Ros 56]

Yes, they are just jerks, I have students (aircraft models), but already adults, at the turn of the end of the beginning of the century, they put a mini video camera on the r / u model and shot a whole video. I didn’t even shake from the engine and the shooting was pretty high-quality, even the license plate numbers are visible, although the height was small from 50 to 100 meters, it’s hard to say by eye. Even we knew THAT could be adapted there. Even 40-45 years ago, these models were just beginning to emerge in our country and even our factories began to make equipment, though it was a discrete first, but even with it the boy learned to plant a glider within a radius of 15-20 meters from himself in just a few flights.

[Elephant]

Finally bothered!

[BREAKTHROUGH READY]

A radar, of course, is good, but a UAV needs first of all a high-quality optoelectronic system with high resolution, picture quality and zoom.

[viktor_ui]

The news from the category is either neighing, or crying ... maybe this is an element of misinformation? 21 century overboard, and we have AN-2 and 50 kg of the small-sized miracle of microelectronics

[Mentat]

Quote: FenH

In 2016, the American company Echodyne introduced the compact radar station MESA-K for drones, which allows you to get an idea of ​​the air situation at ranges of up to 3 kilometers. The length of the container with the radar is 21,6 centimeters, width - 7,6 centimeters, height - 2,5 centimeters, weight - 800 grams

(USA)
Today they managed to create a prototype of a radar station weighing about 50 kg !!!!.(Russia)
Long live our chips, the largest chips in the world

Just to let out vital products louder? Is that the point of your stay on the forum?

The American station operates at a range of up to 3 kilometers, weighs 800 grams, the Russian weighs 50 kg, but the range is x. So where did your vital products come from? Do you know the power of the Russian device? - no. Do you know the detail characteristics of both stations? - no. Moreover, the weight of the Russian sample is given at the research stage, the American device is a finished sample.

Total: empty noisy letting into the puddle poured something on the forum.

[viktor_ui]

If we correlate the distance to the weight, our experienced mini-station, with a weight of 50 kg should beat as much as 187.5 km ... let me think about it ... they have a serial model, and we have a stage of research and refinement against the background of the eternal AN-2 (well, not software -2). Even here is not it. Oh yes, and these half-center have the prospect of a device for the drone as the final nail ??? Trying to pull an owl on the globe? And we will not focus on gases.

[Mentat]

Quote: donavi49

On the other hand, if you really squeeze it, you can buy Chinese dragons.

Dear Chinese marketer, Russia is not building the previous generation of UAVs not because it cannot, but because it has deliberately abandoned them. At the moment, systems are being created using AI systems, this is a completely different level.
Chinese UAVs, thanks, are not required.

[viktor_ui]

We will wait for the AI ​​in our drones, maybe we will catch up with and surpass Turkey in terms of swarms of UAVs based on maize
"Russia is not building the previous generation of UAVs" - and after all, recently there was a noise that we are de second in the world in terms of the number of drones .... I wonder what generation they are?

[Dzafdet]

Quote: Galleon

Now you can understand my sadness when in the mid-90s I saw that my entire ship's radio intelligence group was able to replace a laptop with an all-band Japanese receiver the size of a brick and a XNUMX meter antenna.

as I understand you. In 1988, I saw a PC that could replace 8 SM computer cabinets and I felt sad ...

[viktor_ui]

In 1989, I moved from SM-2M to Toshiba and Olivetti laptops ... both had monochrome displays and it was AWESOME (DOS, Norton shell and its competitor - I forgot the name already), and in 1991 I managed to get the windows 3.0 distribution and it started

[Mentat]

Quote: Dzafdet

Quote: Galleon

Now you can understand my sadness when in the mid-90s I saw that my entire ship's radio intelligence group was able to replace a laptop with an all-band Japanese receiver the size of a brick and a XNUMX meter antenna.

as I understand you. In 1988, I saw a PC that could replace 8 SM computer cabinets and I felt sad ...

Late, you woke up with your "understanding."
In the Soviet ITC, a couple of years before this, the Robotron 1715 PC had already appeared.

[Mentat]

Quote: viktor_ui

If we correlate the distance to the weight, our experienced mini-station, with a weight of 50 kg should hit as much as 187.5 km ... let me think more ..

You obviously cannot think. It would be better if you didn’t disgrace yourself with your “calculations” that the radar should “because” they demonstrate that you are not kicking a foot in the matter over which you are trying to "neigh", as you deigned to put it.

[Dzafdet]

Quote: viktor_ui

In 1989, I moved from SM-2M to Toshiba and Olivetti laptops ... both had monochrome displays and it was AWESOME (DOS, Norton shell and its competitor - I forgot the name already), and in 1991 I managed to get the windows 3.0 distribution and it started

We had Apricot, one for the whole department. The screen is also monochrome. It was his turn to work and play. He was alive until 2004, until one craftsman burned it by connecting a crooked measuring system ...

[Dzafdet]

Quote: Mentat

Quote: Dzafdet

Quote: Galleon

Now you can understand my sadness when in the mid-90s I saw that my entire ship's radio intelligence group was able to replace a laptop with an all-band Japanese receiver the size of a brick and a XNUMX meter antenna.

as I understand you. In 1988, I saw a PC that could replace 8 SM computer cabinets and I felt sad ...

Late, you woke up with your "understanding."
In the Soviet ITC, a couple of years before this, the Robotron 1715 PC had already appeared.

You do not understand the humor of this phrase. And as for the PC, this was in the next department with OSS long before 1988. We walked, looked and licked, but the currency, sir, plus IOM ...