A liberal veteran has attacked a veteran of the war in Chechnya for lessons of courage in schools

A liberal veteran has attacked a veteran of the war in Chechnya for lessons of courage in schools

We talk a lot about the approaching date - the 75th anniversary of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War. And it is right. Those who defeated fascism are worthy of the memory of their descendants. Like all those who gave their lives for the independence of our country in all wars in which the Russians had to participate. How enrages some fellow citizens of our memory! How much poison spills on those who speak directly about it!


The eternal war of good and evil. Who is who


Writing today about “it would be better if we lost the war and now we would live like Germans” is dangerous. They can fill the face. In the literal sense of the word. But you can "bite" those who are really, and not just in words and sponsor money, engaged in patriotic education. You can carry them in social networks. You can lie. Tell anything about them. Like, this is a personal opinion and no one has the right to forbid me to express it ...

But try to answer such “heroes from the monitor” in their own language. No, do not call names, do not use profanity. It’s simple enough to answer in the way that the deputy of the legislative assembly of the Sverdlovsk region, Andrei Gorislavtsev, did. "Your upbringing has not grown." A howl from "indignant parents", "the public", various "public assistants" is provided!

Many readers have already heard about the scandal erupting. Deputy of the Legislative Assembly of the Sverdlovsk Region, a master of boxing, a former SOBR officer who fought in Chechnya, was awarded the Medal For Courage in 1996, the head of the spiritual and patriotic movement Rus and vice president of the Boxing Federation of Yekaterinburg, director of the Ural Steel Construction Plant Andrey Gorislavtsev in Facebook reported on the next lesson of courage, which is held constantly in various schools of the region, held in the village of Mountain Shield.

Such lessons have been held for many years, and, I hope, will continue to be held. Association "Rus", war veterans and youth, bring models to schools weapons, talk about the wars in which they themselves participated, or about those in which our troops are participating today. The stories are accompanied by a display of weapons models that schoolchildren can touch, hold in their hands.

In addition, “Rus” also talks about the sports achievements of fellow countrymen, about the boxing school. Invites students to play sports. In parallel with the deputy and the leadership of the patriotic association, Gorislavtsev also runs a network of boxing schools in the city.

But suddenly (I repeat, “Russia” spends such lessons of courage in various schools of the region periodically) some of the parents saw the militarization of education in these lessons of patriotism! The discussion flared up under the post of deputy.

What happened during the discussion


I will quote some statements. Here is what the deputy wrote under the photo from the lesson:

“It turned out that Turkey associates Turkey with all-inclusiveness in Antalya, and not with bloody wars with Russia, in which the Ottoman Empire lost 2/3 of its territory.”
“You don’t like what we tell the guys about the feat of our ancestors who defended their homeland, and show samples of weapons. And you want to forbid us to tell children about the war through requests and complaints. Call yourself a human rights activist. And your goal: a generation of dancers accustomed to comfort. ”
"... boys are always drawn to fight, to win, to defend, this is natural and normal."
"... masks fall off in the war, traitors, all-wearers, cowards, pacifists, critics of power and the armed forces appear."


But these are the answers of the opponents of Gorislavtsev.

“Veterans came to us, yes. But machine guns and machine guns were not brought to school. They talked about the war, about the fact that it was horror, dirt, mutilation, death. About the fact that war is a great misfortune for any country, and God forbid that we children fall on it. And your war is normal, naturally, this is victory, order, honor, respect, patriotism. And about the severed legs and coffins with the young soldiers, you are somehow silent, apparently out of modesty. ”

(Alexey Sadovsky.)

“According to the Family Code of the Russian Federation, I am obliged and entitled to engage in the upbringing, education, development of the moral, spiritual, physical of my children. Where in the Family Code of the Russian Federation it is indicated that extraneous male pilots are entitled, and even more so obliged to intervene in the process of raising my children? Hands off our children! ”

(Konstantin Klimov.)

By the way, it was to this post that Andrei Gorislavtsev answered. The “wave” was raised by Olga Vekovshinina, public assistant to the Commissioner for Human Rights of the Sverdlovsk Region. It was she who found out a very important detail from the life of the future deputy. It turns out that he did not finish the pedagogical institute. Agree, the high school of police is not a teacher training institution. And the Russian language (or labor lessons) did not teach! He worked as an operative in the police department, "line of work: robberies, robberies." Here is her post:

“People completely far from teaching need your children. Entire organizations need. And they go to schools, go with weapons, sacredly believing that this is exactly what your children need today. I entered into a dialogue with men from the spiritual and patriotic movement "Rus", seeing their post with photos. A discussion ensued, the men went on the attack.
It turns out that they conduct “lessons of courage” in schools. I read about this organization, they have several boxing schools, and that's good. Why climbed into schools? Yes, even with such goals. After all, this is not provided for by the school curriculum, according to which children should receive knowledge. Do children have to watch extra hours about wars and see weapons? I intend to make a request to the Ministry of Education. ”


Will we talk about exploits in war or educate pacifists?


I'm probably something in this mess News missed. No longer fighting on earth? Did the NATO troops send their weapons to the scrap smelting plants? Have the Americans gathered all over the country to build a Crimean-style bridge across the ocean and hug their beloved Russian people? Is global terrorism over? The criminals themselves re-educated themselves and went to work as assistant teachers in kindergartens? Are we already living in the most peaceful time?

Then the rights of Mrs. Public Assistant. I agree with her conclusion about the lack of teacher education at the deputy. Probably, his upbringing was influenced by the fact for which he later received a very respected award “For Courage”. A lesson in courage ... Well, not comme il faut. The educator would call it something like this: a lesson in immersion in history. Come, schoolboy, look at the window and immerse yourself. Forget your dead great-grandfather.

I’m wondering why Mrs. Vekovshinina forgot about boxing? There, people hit each other in the face with their fists. Also not comme il faut. Nose can break or ears. Instead of boxing schools, it is urgent to introduce schools of kisses, for example. And what, beautiful ... Imagine a heavyweight championship fight. 12 rounds. Who will kiss someone before losing consciousness ...

That's how it turns out, the president constantly talks about patriotic education, the state spends huge amounts on creating “Patriots”, army games, restoring monuments to soldiers, and at the same time, in the places where most men have served or will go to serve in the army, they begin mud to enthusiasts who really work with children? And we are silent ...

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  1. St Petrov 5 March 2020 13: 06 New
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    "... masks fall off in the war, traitors, all-wearers, cowards, pacifists, critics of power and the armed forces appear."


    wassat here on the forum there is an information war, but the masks are also reset. In the classic war - all-scouts, cowards, pacifists and critics - it’s necessary in one trench - so that they boil there in their own juice

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      1. St Petrov 5 March 2020 13: 21 New
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        How can conditional waffles interfere? and who can they interfere with?
        There are examples, maybe?)

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          1. St Petrov 5 March 2020 13: 27 New
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            You never know, the main thing is that the other "waffles" have enough weapons))


            pick up in an enemy trench. it will be atonement for the motherland for all the sedition that poured from your mouth on the forums in peacetime.

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              1. St Petrov 5 March 2020 13: 34 New
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                Do you want to fight?

                who of those who came to our land with weapons asked my ancestors about this?

                though ... Attempts to offer to lay down arms were

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                  1. St Petrov 5 March 2020 13: 36 New
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                    need to draw more brackets. it will be more garnerous
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                  2. Skay 5 March 2020 14: 13 New
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                    Well, they’ll come with weapons to your land, volunteer to defend it))

                    Judging by the nickname and style of presentation, you are not from our lands. Therefore, live in your own peace and quiet. We will solve our problems ourselves.
                    - "Si vis pacem, para bellum". Want peace, get ready for war.
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                      1. neri73-r 5 March 2020 14: 39 New
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                        Something tells me a flair that you are moving in vain, we can meet in the future at a new place of residence! laughing Do not forget the language. wassat
                      2. Erich 5 March 2020 14: 41 New
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                        Who knows)) In vain I spent so much time for self-education on my field)) Regarding the demand and improving the conditions and food)) And about the meeting, I understood the hint, always sympathized with romantics and science fiction)) And so, I do not mind, just do not forget wipe your feet when you enter the house))
                      3. neri73-r 5 March 2020 14: 47 New
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                        A fairy tale come true, but a hint in it, about once every hundred years ....... United Europe ........, and then, I think, you know, although personally I would prefer that this bad habit disappeared in the heads of the leaders of the united "civilized", "democratic" West. hi
                      4. Erich 5 March 2020 14: 49 New
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                        I’m not going to fight with Russia or anyone else. You better address your relations to the "warriors". I do not care for you, if you still will be fine, then fine, if not, alas))
                      5. neri73-r 5 March 2020 14: 51 New
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                        Alas, when a mobilization is announced, they do not ask whether you want to fight or not, they offer two ways! fellow
                      6. Erich 5 March 2020 14: 52 New
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                        Are you talking about Russia or other countries?)) Both ways please voice))
                      7. neri73-r 5 March 2020 14: 54 New
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                        She is also a mobilization in Africa, and there are two ways either to fight or, at best, to prison.
                      8. Erich 5 March 2020 15: 07 New
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                        When will we see)) The main thing is that everything will be fine with you))
        2. Anika 5 March 2020 17: 30 New
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          By the way, Erich, in World War II, many fascists said the same thing that they were not enemies of the Soviet peoples, that their grandparents from the Russian Empire, but destroyed the population, regularly, when ours were already in Berlin, they said that “we were forced ", -" we did not know about the death camps. "
        3. Erich 5 March 2020 18: 11 New
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          It doesn’t interest me who and where said what, I speak for myself))
        4. Andrey VOV 5 March 2020 19: 08 New
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          Traitor you are German, that's all
        5. Erich 5 March 2020 20: 30 New
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          Whom did you betray? I live calmly, I cultivate my family, do not touch anyone or do evil)) In vain you are so, the rink of aggression is enough
  • Thompson 5 March 2020 15: 09 New
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    Quote: Erich
    Well, they’ll come with weapons to your land, volunteer to defend it)) This is honorable and valuable))

    Sooo interesting! What will you do?
    1. Erich 5 March 2020 15: 13 New
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      It is important what you will do, not me)) This is your choice and I respect him))
      1. Nonna 5 March 2020 17: 09 New
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        Erich, did you come late with sausage emigration - did you find the Comfrey NATO more familiar?
      2. Erich 5 March 2020 18: 12 New
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        It turns out like this))
  • mister-red 5 March 2020 21: 46 New
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    Quote: Erich
    volunteer to defend her)) It is honorable and valuable))

    Well what can I say - the bottom, nowhere else to go. Potential collaborator.
    1. Erich 5 March 2020 21: 53 New
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      You make hasty conclusions. You haven’t grown yet, or is it a fashion to approve clip-by-clip and then even though the grass doesn’t grow?
      1. mister-red 5 March 2020 21: 57 New
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        Well, why, I’m many years old, I even served under the Union. But laughter about defending the Motherland somehow does not lead to anything else.
        And you know, before you somehow knew how to write without emoticons - try it, you’ll suddenly be able to express your thoughts more accurately.
      2. Erich 6 March 2020 07: 57 New
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        I write as I feel comfortable and you write as you like)) I do not see any contradictions))) I am not interested in how you wrote before))
      3. mister-red 9 March 2020 11: 05 New
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        Write as you want, the main thing is that people understand the meaning. But he is not entirely clear. Then why write?
  • DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 22: 27 New
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    Quote: Erich
    It is honorable and valuable))

    To whom and why in your rational understanding?
    For now, forgive me, you do not understand Russian people very well (Russians, Mordovians, Tatars .... everyone).
    Russian will drink with you today and confirm your worst assumptions about him, and tomorrow will volunteer for even the most important war for him. Or something else - teach that you with your rationalism will never understand.
    1. Erich 6 March 2020 07: 58 New
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      And here is rationalism?
  • astronom1973n 6 March 2020 05: 05 New
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    Quote: Erich
    Well, they’ll come with weapons to your land, volunteer to defend it)) This is honorable and valuable))

    And your opponent and many many other real male defenders will go to defend the Homeland. And your inappropriate sarcasm is incomprehensible.
    1. Erich 6 March 2020 07: 59 New
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      It was not sarcasm, I really appreciated this desire. You have tricks everywhere. I write without them and write as I think.
  • Qiman Kyrivo 7 March 2020 17: 54 New
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    And you will go. Only not a volunteer!
  • Tank hard 5 March 2020 15: 33 New
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    Quote: Erich
    Do you want to fight? - go and fight, I do not mind that you go to fight, if that is what you need))

    The war never asks if you want it or not, the war comes unexpectedly and you won’t even be able to escape.
    1. Erich 5 March 2020 15: 35 New
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      Before the war I plan to be in another place))
      1. Tank hard 5 March 2020 15: 36 New
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        Quote: Erich
        Before the war I plan to be in another place))

        Commit suicide? Also an option.
        1. Erich 5 March 2020 15: 48 New
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          No, another country))
          1. Tank hard 5 March 2020 15: 50 New
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            Quote: Erich
            No, another country))

            Have fun! However, war may come there ... wink
          2. Erich 5 March 2020 15: 54 New
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            I'll figure it out)) You think for yourself and I think for myself))
          3. Tank hard 5 March 2020 16: 02 New
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            Quote: Erich
            I'll figure it out)) You think for yourself and I think for myself))

            I lived for myself, lived in post-Soviet Kyrgyzstan, I seemed to have given my debt to my homeland for a long time and did not expect any peculiarities, the IMU militants attacked that trouble, and I did not know about it. laughing I come home from work in the evening, and at the door of the apartment the officers of the military registration and enlistment office are waiting for me with a summons, they say that there cannot be one special unit without me, well, nothing. request laughing So, think and understand yourself, you are a very smart and thoughtful individual. repeat
          4. Erich 5 March 2020 18: 10 New
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            Yes, how to say thoughtful, I am responsible for myself and I don’t climb to others, that's all)) For myself and my family)) I did not say that I am smart or thoughtful))
          5. Tank hard 5 March 2020 18: 27 New
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            Quote: Erich
            I did not state that I am smart or thoughtful))

            This is sarcasm, if you do not understand ... I generally treat many and many with sarcasm after one not the most beautiful day we gathered a self-defense detachment from the inhabitants of 4 houses, but about 15 people actually gathered (approximately 7 were women and adolescents), the rest got scared or hid, or it was disgusting to hear adult men screaming sobbing into the phone that they did not want to die. And there it was also necessary to protect themselves and their families. After that time, people generally fell heavily in my eyes. wink
          6. Erich 5 March 2020 18: 28 New
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            It happens that there are a lot of surprises in life))
          7. Ka-52 6 March 2020 05: 41 New
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            It happens that there are a lot of surprises in life))

            Usually, ordinary cowardice and selfishness are hidden behind pacifism and hataskrainism. therefore it is not necessary here to cheek and preach in the spirit of Antisthenes
          8. Erich 6 March 2020 08: 00 New
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            Well, since you are better than I know my statements (in fact, no), then I see no reason to answer)) Let us dwell on the fact that I am a coward and an egoist, and you are the color of the nation))
          9. Ka-52 6 March 2020 10: 37 New
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            Let us dwell on the fact that I am a coward and an egoist

            by this recognition you had to open your first comment. Save your opponents a lot of time. And then they, hoping for the sanity of the interlocutor, tried to prove something to you
          10. Erich 6 March 2020 11: 28 New
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            This answer is unique to you, it makes no sense to argue with you, I am interested in communicating with other commentators)))
  • DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 22: 39 New
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    Yes, how to say thoughtful, I am responsible for myself and I don’t climb to others, that's all)) For myself and my family))

    You generally need to discover your own, personal country, so to speak - to create. Like, there was such - Sealand. A man began to live on (in the World War II built near the coast of Britain concrete float) such a building. He declared it a new country - Seeland, lived alone, drafted a flag, kept a constitution, kept a radio station - broadcast ...

    And, as he grew old and could no longer fight for "independence," he moved ashore to England to live on her retirement.
    That's it.
  • Erich 6 March 2020 08: 01 New
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    Yes, to me, and so, in countries, it lives well))) Why do I need my own country))
  • Qiman Kyrivo 7 March 2020 17: 58 New
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    And what do you write here. Get away from here and that's it)
  • Anika 5 March 2020 17: 32 New
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    Campaign Canada!?, Acquaintances of the Germans seem to be looking there, they want to get away from the Arabs
  • Alf
    Alf 5 March 2020 18: 40 New
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    Quote: Anika
    familiar Germans are looking there, they want to get away from the Arabs

    They think that African palm trees won’t get there ..
  • Erich 5 March 2020 21: 11 New
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    A good place, one of those where I would like to fly in the near future)) Many conferences on my topic and the open market)
  • ZAV69 5 March 2020 20: 05 New
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    Right now, the sultan will drive you back a couple of hundred thousand Mujahideen. Or overseas. There's an eternal lack of truck driver.
  • Erich 5 March 2020 20: 31 New
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    I am in the field of IT, so I can find a lot of work))
  • ZAV69 5 March 2020 21: 22 New
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    It seems so much. IT used to be full of work. Right now its much less.
  • Erich 5 March 2020 21: 25 New
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    Now it has become even more)) In addition to working for the company, you can always promote your own. In the whole world, there is a shortage of programmers and IT engineers)) It is for this purpose that I maximize my competencies in several directions, one of which is security and encryption / decryption, automation algorithms)) I will not be lost))
  • DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 22: 46 New
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    No matter how many countries you choose, you won’t find your homeland anyway ...
  • Erich 6 March 2020 08: 01 New
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    If you are looking for it, I will probably agree, but if ...))
  • viktor_ui 6 March 2020 12: 24 New
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    It became less ??? wassat Yes, you’re a science fiction - from the directions in IT the head is already square ... don’t say what you don’t know.
  • DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 22: 44 New
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    "The hopes of young men - nourish ..." (C) :)
  • Pushkar 5 March 2020 21: 57 New
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    "No, another country))“And here you, Erich, haven’t worked out the question. What is in the “landland”, in the “holy land” (countries with the main Soviet emigration) the authorities have long been aware of the wet dreams of “repatriates” and all transits are immediately and legally and economically blocked and dashes. I know from the experience of some people close to me. Good luck in Germany, where you will immediately become "Russian".
  • Erich 6 March 2020 08: 02 New
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    Thank you))
  • mark2 5 March 2020 17: 12 New
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    On another planet or what? Or are you self-conscious?
  • mark2 5 March 2020 17: 09 New
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    And you go to fight, you will not go anywhere. After your favorite NATO fighter cuts off your child’s head or puts a bullet in his forehead, then it seemed to him that you would go to fight and kill. Not so many others. There are no pacifists.
    1. Erich 5 March 2020 18: 13 New
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      Yeah, and eat my whole family)) You worry about your children, do not worry about mine))
      1. mark2 5 March 2020 18: 18 New
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        Disdains to eat. But it can shoot.
        1. Erich 5 March 2020 18: 27 New
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          Well, duck, they’ll shoot mine, that's what matters to me and my family. You protect your family, you don’t need to climb to mine))
          1. ZAV69 5 March 2020 20: 06 New
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            Do not worry, we will protect. In the warehouses of the state reserve, mosquitoes still lie. Enough for us.
          2. Erich 5 March 2020 20: 26 New
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            God forbid)) The country rests on you
          3. ZAV69 5 March 2020 21: 19 New
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            Well, he’s not holding on to you anymore. You can already be said here.
          4. Erich 5 March 2020 21: 27 New
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            While I am here, I cry in this country, poorly poor, but I participate in its economy and economy. How will I leave then yes, I’m gone. Anyway, I will visit Russia, relatives, the nature of the country. A beautiful country and a great people with many opportunities)) People are important to me and not division into categories, nationalities, political preferences))
          5. DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 22: 49 New
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            Quote: Erich
            People are important to me and not division into categories, nationalities, political preferences))

            That's it.
            In Russia, even blacks become Russian (with a certain desire and an obvious stock of soul and character).
            Good luck to you.
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            Thank you))
  • Andrey VOV 5 March 2020 19: 06 New
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    And you, Erich, are I suppose to be a white-ticket trainer? How did you serve in the army with such views, or did you not serve?
    1. Erich 5 March 2020 20: 25 New
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      He served, part 69806, first in Ro and RKhBZ and then in BS and RTO (ZKP) in 2012-2013. He went, my father served (Afghanistan) and my grandfather served (Semipalatinsk). I also wanted to try, served, all the rules. Especially in the army there is no ideological pump, everyone lives their own mind but according to the schedule))
  • tatarin1972 5 March 2020 21: 08 New
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    An admirer of Kharms and Kolya from Urengoy?
    1. Erich 5 March 2020 21: 12 New
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      I don’t know who it is. I am not a supporter of stars and media personalities. They carry all the bourd
      1. tatarin1972 5 March 2020 21: 25 New
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        Daniil Harms is a children's poet. As a poet he is good, as a person and a citizen of his country, complete shit. Kharms's words: “If they give me a mobilization leaflet, I will give the commander in the face, let me be shot; but I will not wear uniforms and will not serve in the Soviet troops, I do not want to be such shit. If they make me shoot a machine gun from attics during street fights with the Germans, then I will not shoot at the Germans, but at them from the same machine gun. " Well, the boy Kolya from the glorious city of Urengoy, speaking in the Bundestag, said that the soldiers of the Wehrmacht were harmless victims.
        1. Erich 5 March 2020 21: 32 New
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          About Kolya looked, the fashion is now so stupid to justify everything and change places. And about the poet, a rather critical statement. I'm not so hard of course. Then fuck it you will understand what are the reasons for the expression of people and thoughts. I have many relatives from the time of the Second World War (some of my relatives lived here and built moslobny farms in the Urals, sowed wheat. After the revolution, they counted them with fists and killed them) in the Second World War and shot them after the Second World War (we are Germans). I have no enmity about this: time was, to put it mildly, not the best
          1. tatarin1972 5 March 2020 21: 48 New
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            There are different Germans, many ethnic Germans served in the Russian Imperial Army and Navy, and during World War I they honestly performed their duty, during World War II Fritz Hans Werner Schmeenkel received the title Hero of the Soviet Union, and he started the war in the Wehrmacht.
          2. Erich 5 March 2020 21: 52 New
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            I agree with you, therefore I try to judge by the actions of a person and not by nationality))
      2. DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 22: 52 New
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        Quote: tatarin1972
        Daniil Harms - children's poet

        We have our own poet, Solzhenitsyn.
        He wrote almost verbatim too, I wish the American bomber to bomb all of these stupid Soviet people surrounding HIS.
        1. tatarin1972 6 March 2020 21: 21 New
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          I am familiar with Solzhenitsyn’s work, only Harms wrote it earlier, I despise the first for his cowardice and lies.
  • Dart2027 5 March 2020 14: 06 New
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    Yeah, immediately shoot

    Cartridges of money are worth it. Although if as in China ...
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    Do not worry, you will turn up, be shot. And rightly by the way they’ll do it. War, it’s not to pound on the clave, and write all crap.
    1. Erich 5 March 2020 18: 14 New
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      Shoot means they will shoot)) Two deaths will not happen and one cannot be avoided))
      1. rich 5 March 2020 20: 50 New
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        What did you attack the guy? Not a troll, not a boor, but it seems not an enemy. In the end, this is his personal life and his personal choice. Why impose his opinion on him. Even Marcus Aurelius used to say in his time: "Man, do what you must and consider it necessary, and the gods will do what is destined."
        1. Erich 5 March 2020 20: 50 New
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          Thank you for your kind word))
          1. Sunstorm 6 March 2020 19: 49 New
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            Personally, I agree with your philosophy. Everyone should take care of themselves, their family and destiny. Then there will be more order in the world, and fewer wars (of course, interpreted in his own way, but everyone has the right to his point of view)
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          Quote: Rich
          Not a troll, not a boor, but it seems not an enemy.

          Besides the boor, the rest is debatable ...
          Quote: Rich
          In the end, this is his personal life and his personal choice.

          Well, yes, should someone else sacrifice themselves for the likes?
          Quote: Rich
          Why would he impose his opinion.

          I agree here.
          1. dauria 5 March 2020 23: 19 New
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            Well, yes, should someone else sacrifice themselves for the likes?


            What are these "like"? He did not slope away from the army, he works, he drags his family.
            They did not declare mobilization, there is no war. In principle, he acts more honestly than some Russian "patriots" I know.
            Will be able to live without the land where he grew up - his choice. It can’t - let it come back, I personally won’t say a word.
            1. Russian jacket 6 March 2020 04: 31 New
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              There are people in our city who have returned from the promised land and the landland. They are few, but among my friends. And frankly, with the exception of one adequately assessing the situation here and here, it would be better if they did not return.
              1. balunn 11 March 2020 12: 15 New
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                Well, maybe they immediately as enemies of the people? or something so that everyone has the right to choose the place where he is better.
                1. Russian jacket 12 March 2020 14: 22 New
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                  As you say. This is your thought. I’ll add from myself. One of the characters was a realtor. Having accumulated shekels left for the promised land. She was not going to return to the rashka. In letters praised the life there. But .... After a couple of years, she returned. Realtor again. It now covers the type of native land promised. Second. He left with his family. After some time he returned. Now he has Israeli police — satraps. I tried to teach my wife a fist, go away. As he got out, he is silent, but there are matyoty about the orders there. I have four friends. Adequately speaks about the problems there, only one. So the right to live where it is better does not negate at least elementary decency.
            2. Tank hard 6 March 2020 07: 08 New
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              Quote: dauria
              What are these "like"?

              Which, I said.
              Quote: dauria
              I personally will not say a word.

              This is your personal opinion, it does not coincide with mine.
          2. Erich 6 March 2020 08: 05 New
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            I urge you to sacrifice your life for me? You protect yourself, your land and your family - I do not need. As for the rest, I do not quite understand what trolling is in my words, you know better. It is also not clear what I am the enemy of, I do not dislike you, I do not want to capture you. Live as you want, it makes no difference to me. but you have insomnia until everyone around you will not share your opinion, probably.
            1. Tank hard 6 March 2020 11: 50 New
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              Quote: Erich
              I do not need.

              And I’m not going to ...
              Quote: Erich
              I don’t quite understand what is trolling in my words,

              About trolling:
              [media=https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3]
              Now about you ... An article, as it were, in defense of patriotism in general (and this includes the sacrifice of the individual, for the country, or for other individuals), as well as for a specific person. In addition to the fact that you personally are not going to sacrifice anyone (and even if it’s your own business). You also write a comment of this kind:
              Yes, immediately shoot, so that the Heroes would not stop you from killing a million enemy soldiers with one blow))

              Commenting on a patriotic individual. And your comment is second in the thread.
              For me, this is trolling and provocation is the most that is ...
              Quote: Erich
              . Live as you want, it makes no difference to me. but you have insomnia until everyone around you will not share your opinion, probably.

              Do not write the truth, it would be all the same, they would simply ignore my comment and that’s all, and so, it’s obvious that you’re getting burned. wink
              1. Erich 6 March 2020 12: 07 New
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                I always try to respond to comments, I'm curious as long as I have free time. If a person is patriotic, it’s fine, my words will not change anything for him, and that’s fine)) And as for the article, I’m not against the described person and his sacrifice, if you read my comments you probably understand this, I’m against doing it in open from parents. I have children myself, I need to know about all the activities in the school where my children participate. Here is my whole message under the articles. When patriots began to pour mud on me, I reply with the same coin, but I am not going to humiliate them. If you want to fight and defend - go, why do you impose your opinion on me? Want to donate? Go and sacrifice! Am I dissuading you from this chtoli?
                1. Tank hard 6 March 2020 12: 16 New
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                  Quote: Erich
                  When patriots began to pour mud on me, I answer with the same coin

                  Come on! laughing Your first comment on the topic immediately has a derogatory character to the previous commentator, although he personally did not touch you.
                  Quote: Erich
                  if you read my comments you probably understand this,

                  I understand very well. wink
                  1. Erich 6 March 2020 12: 18 New
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                    Excellent)) I'm glad you understand))
            2. A.TOR 6 March 2020 18: 47 New
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              In your words you don’t like what you think with your head. This, you know, is a sin. I also almost left, in Russia for 2-3 months. I feel more and more that I am no longer understanding mother - Russia. Especially after reading for a dream.
              1. Erich 6 March 2020 20: 14 New
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                Sometimes it happens))
          3. Sunstorm 6 March 2020 19: 56 New
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            Why sacrifice yourself for "conditional bastards", is it not better to take care of those who are truly dear?
            And the bastards in power and even halfway to it have always had enough and will be enough. I don’t have anyone in particular (global trend)
            1. Erich 6 March 2020 20: 15 New
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              It's right))
  • DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 22: 21 New
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    And, you choose other "values" for teaching children.
    Here, for example, such - fashionable -


    and directly cash-global and gender-neutral.
    1. Erich 6 March 2020 08: 07 New
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      My children and I have completely different values. Do not judge by yourself and everything will be all right in our dialogue)) As I understand it, you wanted to hurt me, but you put yourself in a completely different light ...
    2. balunn 11 March 2020 12: 21 New
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      when they give you a choice between the Emperor of All Russia and gay and say something or this, then yes, the choice is obvious, but there is much more between these two extremes.
  • Levius RU 6 March 2020 07: 09 New
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    Quote: Erich
    Yes, immediately shoot, so that the Heroes would not stop you from killing a million enemy soldiers with one blow))

    In wartime, this is done. And in any country.
    1. Erich 6 March 2020 08: 08 New
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      So, in your particular country, there will be no problems))
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  • Jcvai 5 March 2020 13: 33 New
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    Not necessary. There is medicine, logistics, production ...
    But malicious saboteurs and collaborators can be allowed to mine before detachments.
  • polar fox 5 March 2020 14: 07 New
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    Quote: c-Petrov
    here on the forum there is an information war, but the masks are also reset. In the classic war - all-scouts, cowards, pacifists and critics - it’s necessary in one trench - so that they boil there in their own juice

    simple question: you, dear, when was the last time you studied with children at school? You’re a “patriot” (judging by the posts), and I’m an “all-rounder” (according to your own scale) ... only I am with “pioneers” in my free time I’m doing it, chasing them like goats, in mountains, in general physical training, I give basics of boxing and shooting ... also served as an opera in due time. The older army passed, now they are working, they are studying. What are your merits? to spoil in comments?
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    But they do not want dirt in the trenches, they can be cold and kill. But crap from under the floor while lying on the sofa is please.
  • Serwid 5 March 2020 13: 08 New
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    Do the NVP lessons still exist? Just interested.
    1. Okolotochny 5 March 2020 13: 11 New
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      When my eldest studied, then no, it wasn’t. The youngest is still in the 6th grade. As of now, I don’t know.
      1. Reptiloid 5 March 2020 13: 28 New
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        A parent from patriotic education, from Veterans of Combat Operations decided to protect children by fumbling on social networks. negative Apparently, he himself was under-educated.
        1. Erich 5 March 2020 15: 51 New
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          Has the right to))
      2. figwam 5 March 2020 13: 42 New
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        After the ban, the NVP was the subject of life safety.
        1. DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 22: 54 New
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          Quote: figvam
          subject OBZH

          Taught by single grandmothers - misogynists.
      3. Okolotochny 6 March 2020 12: 28 New
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        It’s interesting, what did you write about that, which is minus? Minus members, explain?
    2. carstorm 11 5 March 2020 13: 26 New
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      There is no NVP at school for a very long time.
    3. Strashila 5 March 2020 13: 34 New
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      Yes, yes, otherwise people only know one-time masks, and they cannot do gauze-cotton themselves.
      1. Archon 5 March 2020 14: 56 New
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        disposable is better than gauze to reduce the spread of infections - so that they sneeze and cough. they protect a healthy person very weakly. and gauze dressings are good for protection against certain chemical poisonings (for example, chlorine) if soaked with water. one-time mask does not really impregnate.
        1. Strashila 5 March 2020 15: 20 New
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          gauze-cotton their charm is that they are sterilized with the help of an iron with steaming, ironed and carry on.
          1. Archon 5 March 2020 15: 25 New
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            well, or hang on the chimney - and dry and sterilize.
            1. Strashila 5 March 2020 15: 32 New
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              “dry and sterilized”, then yes, but hardly sterilized.
      2. Tank hard 5 March 2020 15: 45 New
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        Quote: Strashila
        yes, yes, otherwise people only know one-time masks, and they cannot do gauze-cotton themselves

        A good gas mask with panoramic glass costs less than a thousand rubles, why "collective farm" if you can buy?
    4. Tank hard 5 March 2020 15: 38 New
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      Quote: Serwid
      Do the NVP lessons still exist? Just interested.

      No, there is OBZH, but not enough ...
  • The leader of the Redskins 5 March 2020 13: 09 New
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    I have not heard about the scandal, it will be necessary to study ...
    And here is the article ... Trying on myself. And I admit that, like both, and there are right ...
    And veterans came to our class, and my relatives fought in the Second World War, but everyone stood up for peace and prayed in my heart that it would not happen again ...
    And then he went to the NVP lesson, and there the lieutenant colonel of the reserve taught the Kalashnikov to disassemble ...
    So am I pacifist or militarized?
    1. St Petrov 5 March 2020 13: 10 New
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      So am I pacifist or militarized?

      Is there a military card?

      1. The leader of the Redskins 5 March 2020 13: 12 New
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        There is. True, already in the category of "partially suitable ..." But I do not wish anyone a war! I’m not meeting my adversary, I don’t want to defend someone else’s Wishlist!
        1. St Petrov 5 March 2020 13: 14 New
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          Is.

          Congratulations, everything is fine. You are ours. Militarized.


          I don’t want to go somewhere else

          it will be decided by the Center laughing
          1. Judging by the "minuses", not everyone considers me "their"))) laughing
            1. St Petrov 5 March 2020 13: 23 New
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              so foolish digital war, what kind of you are yours?
              Or maybe the offended Baltic is sitting there. Or a Georgian offended. Or a Pole.

              Disassemble them - there are enough Russian-speaking mankurts. Then who just does not shy away. And do not even check - how many did not ask for a video call number here - check the theory - all included the back

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                Quote: c-Petrov
                check theory - everyone included the back

                At least the flags must be returned, otherwise many foreign citizens build themselves up as Russians and create a false-artificial opinion.
                1. Late. I myself now through the vpn program I go in and my flags are displayed ... The whole world!)))
                  1. rich 5 March 2020 22: 25 New
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                    Chief of the Redskins (Nazarius): I myself now through the vpn program I go in and my flags are displayed ... The whole world!)))

                    But what are the secrets in the internet?
                    Duo Security has opened for public use a convenient spy scanner for VPN Hunter web interfaces. With it, you can quickly scan the ports of any user and any organization for virtual private networks, mail portals, the exact location and other remote access services that are open to the outside.
                    The program is paid, but a free trial version for one month is also available.
                2. Tank hard 5 March 2020 15: 41 New
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                  Quote: figvam
                  It’s necessary to at least return the flags, otherwise many foreign citizens make Russians out of themselves and create a false-artificial opinion

                  GDRovsky is not ... repeat
                  1. rich 5 March 2020 22: 28 New
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                    and Yugoslav
                3. DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 22: 56 New
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                  otherwise many foreign citizens are pretending to be Russians


                  "See the root: the son always speaks the language of his father."
                  (C)
    2. tihonmarine 5 March 2020 13: 41 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      So am I pacifist or militarized?

      It is hard to say who, but I think that, a person who defends his family and his land.
    3. figwam 5 March 2020 13: 45 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      but everyone advocated peace and prayed in their hearts that they would not happen again ...

      Nobody wants war, but for Peace to be, one must be prepared to defend it with weapons in hand, and this must be learned in peacetime.
    4. Maverick78 5 March 2020 14: 08 New
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      Everything is very simple ... if they know what can be taken away from you - the likelihood of a peaceful solution to the issue greatly increases)
    5. Dart2027 5 March 2020 14: 11 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      but everyone stood for peace and prayed in their hearts that they wouldn’t happen again

      Yes, it sounds right and good, "if only it weren’t." I am absolutely serious. But the problem is that our partners may not think so. And then what? As Machiavelli wrote in his "Sovereign":
      Knowing that many wrote about this, I fear that I would not be considered presumptuous because, having chosen the same subject, in the interpretation of it I most disagree with others. But, having the intention to write something useful for people who understand, I chose to follow the truth, not imaginary, but real - in contrast to those many who depicted republics and states, which in reality no one knew or saw.
      For the distance between how people live and how they should live is so great that one who rejects the reality for the sake of action acts more to the detriment of himself than to the good, because, wishing to profess good in all cases of life, he will inevitably die when faced with a lot of people alien to good.
      This is life as it is - either you or you.
    6. Strashila 5 March 2020 15: 21 New
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      "and there the lieutenant colonel of the reserve taught Kalashnikov to disassemble ...
      So am I pacifist or militarized? "
      if you follow the old joke, then it’s just a realist.
    7. mark2 5 March 2020 17: 17 New
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      In your case, you can quote hackneyed frauds about good with fists and about a good word with a revolver.
      Dreaming of war is not necessary, but if that, then do not just be a victim of circumstances.
  • My_log_in 5 March 2020 13: 13 New
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    Quote: Serwid
    Do the NVP lessons still exist? Just interested.

    No, now OBZH (the basics of life safety). The son once for all the time AKM saw and touched.
    1. Serwid 5 March 2020 13: 18 New
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      Quote: My_Log_In
      The son once for all the time AKM saw and touched.

      Sorry. In our school, AKM from the constant assembly of disassembly to shine were wiped.
  • Honest Citizen 5 March 2020 13: 15 New
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    The wave was raised by Olga Vekovshinina, public assistant to the Commissioner for Human Rights of the Sverdlovsk Region.

    And in my opinion, she just decided to "hypanut".
    Andrey Gorislavtsev is just fine. Personally, I would not refuse that people like Andrey would come to school with the lessons of Courage to my children.
    1. St Petrov 5 March 2020 13: 17 New
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      when I hear about "human rights," my eye begins to twitch. They also debased the topic, like our pseudo-shares, only their own.
      Some of them are all different

      We must tell this chick about the observance of human rights by Hitler, Bonaparte and others who come to our land. And then so that this hen told others.

      And yes, those who come to kill us, no matter - shkolota or not. This is from the experience of previous generations. So at school to talk about it - it's time. We need the children of the regiment, not smoothie lovers with tucked up pants

      1. Honest Citizen 5 March 2020 13: 19 New
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        "Human rights" "human couples" strife. This is a convenient wording to hide behind both the juvenile and really protect human rights.
        In this particular case, it is not human rights that are protected, but just a hype. You need to get media fame, and then you look from the assistant and she herself becomes the Manager.
      2. Erich 5 March 2020 13: 31 New
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        Well, here are your children and make the children of the regiment, who does not give you? What climb to others, who does not need it?
        1. St Petrov 5 March 2020 13: 37 New
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          What climb to others, who does not need it?


          so take the child out of school. And do not give to the army. And everything suits me in such lessons for children. I myself sat on such




          1. Erich 5 March 2020 13: 45 New
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            Duck, I don’t mind that your children go there, I don’t impose anything on anyone)) I’m only talking about my children))
            1. St Petrov 5 March 2020 13: 46 New
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              and I tell you - such lessons have been, are and will be.

              who do not like it - you know what to do. There are good schools with in-depth study of English. Paid. They will listen to you there. There you pay for services and demand their high-quality implementation, without any lessons of courage there.



              1. Erich 5 March 2020 13: 47 New
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                And I don’t deny it, someone will go there and someone will not, that's okay))
                1. St Petrov 5 March 2020 13: 49 New
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                  in general, they won’t ask you, and such lessons will continue in secondary and junior schools

                  You will either come to terms with reality and endure - or paid services

                  1. Erich 5 March 2020 14: 01 New
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                    Of course paid services)) It’s good that you don’t endure in Russia but live surrounded by care and confidence tomorrow)) Even if my children went to high school, they would not attend these lessons)) It’s better to play paintball or go camping instead of listening to scabies (I see closer to you a similar slang). In general, I still wish you and your children good health and compliance with the desired and possible)) I am not a supporter of conflicts, considering and respecting all opinions))
                    1. St Petrov 5 March 2020 14: 23 New
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                      Of course paid services))

                      So the question was resolved
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                      Uncle (erich), I am sorry for your children - you bring them up in a hurry. Well, of course, and of these
                      “He was so afraid of pain that at the slightest misfortune he froze, did nothing, and hoped for the best. When his beloved wife was strangled with him, he stood beside him and persuaded: be patient, maybe everything will work out! And when she was buried, he he went behind the coffin and whistled. Then he fell and died. Is it a good boy? "
                      1. Erich 5 March 2020 18: 49 New
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                        Well, since you already decided everything for me, it makes no sense to answer you)) Bisexual means bisexual)) Yes, and for "uncle" I am still very young))
                    3. Alf
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                      Quote: Erich
                      It's better to play paintball

                      So there, too, are taught to shoot ...
                      1. Erich 5 March 2020 18: 50 New
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                        Let them teach, I myself will build time with my children and teachings)) There are many children))
                      2. Alf
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                        Quote: Erich
                        Let them teach, I myself will build time with my children and teachings)) There are many children))

                        The French in the 40th also shouted, “Better to conquer us than Verdun again.”
                      3. Erich 5 March 2020 19: 03 New
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                        Do you want to convince me of something or you think that I am imposing something on you?)) Let them shout anything))
                      4. Alf
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                        Quote: Erich
                        Do you want to convince me of something or you think that I am imposing something on you?)) Let them shout anything))

                        To convince you of something is a dead issue, I already understood that. It’s just, firstly, that you are clearly a master at chattering, and, secondly, your life credo is to run away from everything, just so that they do not touch me. It is amazing that you served in the army, if, of course, you served.
                      5. Erich 5 March 2020 20: 28 New
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                        He served from 2012 to 2013)) I develop in my professional field)) I do not try to run away, I just evaluate whether I need it or not)) Yes, and I don’t need to talk, I do not convince anyone of anything))
                      6. Tank hard 6 March 2020 12: 05 New
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                        Quote: Alf
                        Your life credo is to run away from everything, if only they would not touch me.

                        No, rather convince others to do it.
                        Just like in the movie:
          2. 13-90 5 March 2020 17: 28 New
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            such lessons will continue in secondary and junior schools

            I’m embarrassed to ask, do all schools conduct such lessons?
            Do schools in Chechnya also talk about the courage of Russian artillerymen?
            1. Erich 5 March 2020 20: 29 New
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              Everywhere its own specifics))
            2. My_log_in 6 March 2020 09: 10 New
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              and in schools in Chechnya you can talk about Magomed Nurbagandov, for example.
    2. Russian jacket 6 March 2020 04: 35 New
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      Alexander, what hurts you so much? You are leaving soon.
      1. Erich 6 March 2020 08: 10 New
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        Do not hurt, just expressed his opinion))
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          Clear. Thank.
  • vadson 5 March 2020 14: 56 New
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    so that later the child of the regiment would defend with arms in your hands from your enemies? and your what will be doing at this time? in social networks to sit, gibbering "the tiger is under-reporting meat"?
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      Everyone will do whatever they see fit)))
      1. Alf
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        Quote: Erich
        Everyone will do whatever they see fit)))

        I understand that your son is already ready to take a place on the tower for MG-42?
        1. Erich 5 March 2020 18: 53 New
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          My eldest is almost 7 years old, it’s too early for him to stand behind a machine gun)) We deal with other issues)) Physical training, programming (my specialization) and woodwork, we will study metal a little later))) No, no, we’ll go hiking)) do not have from me something to hear related to the killing of my children by other people or what?
          1. Alf
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            Quote: Erich
            My eldest is almost 7 years old, it’s too early for him to stand behind a machine gun))

            The good answer is BEFORE EARLY, that is, the fact of the machine gun is not denied.
            1. Erich 6 March 2020 20: 17 New
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              I am glad that you saw that I did not deny his possible service in the army)) But you see your own truth, woven from their line-of-comment space))
      2. DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 23: 04 New
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        Quote: Erich
        Everyone will do whatever they see fit)))

        Cockroaches.
  • DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 23: 03 New
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    And, here’s the dossier “Bad Boy” whom we are now raising in schools -

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      In general:; “The chickens are considered in the fall.” One was no longer counted. Recently I read that Malchish Kibalchish now lives in the United States and works for the bourgeois. This is such a squiggle.
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    - The eternal war of good and evil. Who is who
    Which of the hu ...
    And let's not confuse liberals and liberals.
  • tihonmarine 5 March 2020 13: 46 New
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    And in my opinion she just decided to "hypanut"

    And when you have to defend your country, then this Vekovshinina will also talk about pacifism, or contact the Ministry of Education. Something here is incomplete by the government.
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      And when you have to defend your country, then this Vekovshinina will also talk about pacifism, or contact the Ministry of Education

      No, she will demand that she and her children be protected.
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        Quote: Serwid
        No, she will demand that she and her children be protected.

        Rather, she will begin to demand that she be protected from children.
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      Something here is incomplete by the government.

      No, the government is on the right track, if such creatures have appeared en masse ...
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    That is, you wouldn’t refuse that a man like Gorislavtsev, who appointed a “duel” -type duel, didn’t show himself to someone Mr. Shchirshikov, but instead sent him to dismantle Olympic boxing champion Yegor Mekhontsev ???? like that Mr. Veteran UBOP, and even the master of sports in boxing, words and deeds differ.
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    And why exactly in the facebook (facebook)? There was no place on the site of the region? Why do we have these muzzlebooks, trippwitters are now the basis for transmitting information? Own, including patriotic resources where?
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      Own resources on American technologies and their networks? It's funny))
  • Erich 5 March 2020 13: 17 New
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    I think that at school you first need to say in advance which topic will be presented, coordinate this with the parents and who agrees - their children will attend this meeting. I think everything is so honest. Those who don’t need it will be able to calmly leave or not go. With this approach, there would be no conflict.
    1. Honest Citizen 5 March 2020 13: 24 New
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      I will give an example from my personal life. When my eldest daughter was in 6th grade, a classy lady said at the parent meeting: “Some of the parents whose SONS are in our class wrote a complaint to GORONO about labor lessons. They say why their child is forced to burn out in a tree, and why should a child smell this rubbish. "
      Total. Boys in labor lessons made toys from fabric and buttons.
      Do you need such a generation?
      For me it’s not like that - let them work with wood, with iron, get initial skills in working with electricity.
      And NVP must be returned to school.
      And if you are a pacifist-tolerast, well, write a statement that would release your child from "unnecessary" activities. Only I think that the child will not thank you for this.
      1. Erich 5 March 2020 13: 29 New
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        Something I doubt that this cartoon was written by the dads of these boys, and I strongly suspect that they were mothers)) And about the work, if it’s smeared in the program and gives skills in working with iron and wood, then it’s fine (I can teach this child myself) . here the matter is different, a man comes and begins to romanticize the horrors of war, telling his gaze. First, warn the parents and ask permission from them. If the parents agree and the child does not mind - for God's sake, if they do not agree, I think he will find another occupation))
        1. St Petrov 5 March 2020 13: 32 New
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          First, warn the parents and ask permission from them.


          wassat military review 2020. How to esteem

          Conditional Adolf will also ask you permission before you burn the school with the kids. Will gather all the parents - and consult with you

          1. Erich 5 March 2020 13: 44 New
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            You are a master of comparisons, it's the same thing))
        2. Honest Citizen 5 March 2020 13: 51 New
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          Something I doubt that this cartoon was written by the dads of these boys, and strongly suspect that they were mothers))

          Then you hit the nail on the head. Mom and not one distinguished themselves.
          here the matter is different, a man comes and begins to romanticize the horrors of war, tell his own story

          Alas, you can’t rewrite history. Rather, it’s just possible to rewrite it, but only it will still remain in the memory of those who fought there. And to tell her the next generation, I believe that they have the right.
          I can recall the words from the song Vysotsky:
          ", .. and in basements and semi-basements
          the kids wanted tanks ... "(c)
          And ask? You can ask in different ways.
          Option 1: Do you want your child to be told about the horrors of war?
          Option 2: you want the class of Courage to be held in the class where your child is studying, which will be attended and conducted by the combatant.
          What option of "permission" do you propose?
          1. Erich 5 March 2020 14: 02 New
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            I would not forbid them to roll out about their exploits, but only to those who are interested and who do not mind)) I propose initially asking parents and children. If necessary and interesting then please)) Ask as is))
            1. Honest Citizen 5 March 2020 14: 57 New
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              I suggest initially asking parents and children. If necessary and interesting then please))

              You know, I thought for a long time how to answer you. Now I know.
              I was born in the USSR, and in my childhood, boys wanted to become astronauts, soldiers, doctors, engineers, pilots, ship captains. They wanted to become Heroes. And the country was working on it. And they didn’t ask parents when children from the school were taken to historical museums, when veterans came to us.
              My maternal grandfather ended the war in Prague. And I remember how I climbed to his knees and asked: "Grandfather, tell me how you killed the fascists?" And he told, and then showed where the shrapnel from the enemy shell went into his neck. And I remember asking my grandmother: "Where have you been?" My grandmother at the age of 19 headed the shift at the factory, which was evacuated to Krasnoyarsk, made shells. And she told how they were hungry, wallowing with fatigue, brought to life the slogan: Everything for the front, everything for the Victory.
              I am proud of my ancestors.
              And, strangely enough, I did not grow up a psychopath, a sadist, I do not suffer from a phobia. I have a family, four children, and no one suffers from domestic violence. All have a normal orientation. I have no deviations in the psyche.
              Therefore, for me, the question is simply not whether courage lessons are needed in schools.
              Now, if tolerance classes were conducted in schools - yes, for me the question would be about the advisability of my child attending such a lesson.
              If the school is going to conduct classes on advertising homosexuals - I am against.
              If the school is going to conduct juvenile lessons, I am against it.
              If at school they are going to give out to graduates (it really was in Ukraine in Nikolaev) books - how not to get a venereal disease when working as a call girl, I am against.
              But if a veteran comes to school who talks about the war, which brings mock-ups of weapons - I only welcome.
              Apparently we have different upbringing.
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                I bow to your Ancestors, I am younger than you, I also have 4 children (the youngest is 10 months old and the oldest is almost 7 years old). I have a different view of what you say, I am not against the lessons of courage and everything else, I am against this being compulsory (like the lessons of tolerance and so on). I'm just saying that people can choose: I’ll go / I won’t go, that's all))
                1. Galleon 5 March 2020 16: 56 New
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                  Quote: Erich
                  I'm just saying that people can choose: I’ll go / I won’t go, that's all))

                  This is where your mistake lies. You refuse to give your children the experience of generations, your own experience and want to leave them alone.
                  There is a wonderful parable on this subject - THE PARABLE ABOUT THE ENLIGHTENING SHOVEL.

                  One day, three of his children came to Master Van, and everyone wanted something strange.
                  “Father,” said the eldest son, blushing and blushing. - I think I love men more than women. And among men, I love Sun Ahui from a neighboring village the most. I understand that you wanted to see in me a support in the future, a continuer of the lineage and heir to your skill, but ... I'm sorry, I want otherwise. Nothing, if I bring Sun Ahui into the house, and we will sleep in the same bed and sit by the fire, holding hands?
                  “Dad,” the middle son said, looking down. - It seems to me that I am a pacifist and I can’t even look at weapons, meat food and other people's suffering. I understand that you would like to see in me a strong warrior, winner and defender, who will become famous throughout the Middle Kingdom, but ... I'm sorry, I want to do otherwise. Is it okay if you dissuade me from the army and we take our piglet, which we feed on the Lantern Festival, to the house? I will call him Pikachu, I will bathe in warm water, I will tie a blue bow around my neck, and Pikachu and I will only eat plant foods!
                  - Dad! - said Master Wang's beloved daughter, Ma Xian, leading her graceful foot along the clay floor. “You know, I'm a young, beautiful and smart girl.” Therefore, I want to fulfill my potential and live for myself. I understand that you would like to see in me the loving wife of your husband, a skilled housewife and a caring mother of numerous grandchildren, but ... sorry, this will not happen. Is it okay if I leave for the city, become an office worker there, make a career and become childfree? And on weekends, I will come to your nursing home on my Matis and buy you a wonderful rocking chair ...
                  Master Wang had already opened his mouth to loudly tell the children everything that he thinks about them, but still did not make a sound.
                  “Is it necessary? He thought suddenly. - But what right do I have to decide for my children, how they should live, with whom to sleep, what to eat, what to believe? They are independent individuals! So what if the eldest is only seventeen? Just think, I don’t like it! I’ll tolerate it, but my children will be happy! In the end, the more civilized a person is, the more tolerant he is, so will I really behave like a savage ?! ”
                  “Good,” he said wearily, “live as you wish ...”

                  Ten years have passed. Children lived as they wanted. The elder, after much illness and suffering, died of AIDS. The middle one spent more and more time in the pigsty, addicted to the singing ergotou and taught all the boars to drink with it; from time to time he woke up, philosophized with Pikachu for some time that our world was nothing more than a cluster of fetid sewage, and again fell asleep. The daughter at first became rich in the city. But one day she was fed up with business partners, and all of them seemed to her too old and weak for her bed. And the young lover, whom she hired for a fair price to provide sexual services, deftly faked her signature, transferred all her assets to herself and left them penniless; daughter returned to master Wang, with her soul rushed to self-improvement and spent days under drying trees, tirelessly reciting the mantra "All scum ... all scum." Master Wang regularly carried the pot behind her and was horrified about who would do it when he himself completely became decrepit: after all, Heaven had not sent him a grandson or even a granddaughter.
                  Once he came to a neighbor to share his misfortune and saw that Master Zhang was sitting in the gazebo in front of a rock garden, drinking plum wine and smoking his favorite crooked pipe.
                  - How are you, neighbor? - asked Master Van. - Is everything alright? What are the kids?
                  Master Zhang slowly took a sip from the cup and replied:
                  - The eldest son became interested in deciphering epitaphs on ancient tombstones, he learns the greatness of the past and makes good money. He married the daughter of the county judge, they live in perfect harmony, they have a big house in the city. The middle son serves in the imperial cavalry on the southern border. He is the head of the "long hundred" horsemen. Enemies are afraid of him like fire, friends love, subordinates respect, and bosses appreciate. And the daughter - well, there’s my beautiful daughter, her beloved husband and five of my grandchildren ...
                  - Incredible! - cried Master Van. - But didn’t ten years ago, your children, being young, hot and stupid, came to you, wanting something strange ?!
                  Master Zhang nodded gravely.
                  - How did you manage to raise such glorious children?
                  “I just told them that if they don't stop fooling around, I will beat them with a shovel. ...”
                  Since then, the teachings of the Free Person in the Celestial Empire have subsided, and the teachings of the Enlightening Shovel have flourished.
                  1. Erich 5 March 2020 18: 09 New
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                    Everyone has their own right)) The main thing is that you yourself are doing the right thing, but I myself will somehow figure it out))
                    1. Galleon 5 March 2020 18: 21 New
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                      Enough of the rights already, the young man, his mouth is full, the right word. Is it time to remember the responsibilities? If you are a father, you are obliged to educate, give concepts about what is good and what is bad, what is good, and what is disgusting. And only after vaccination of moral guidelines for a child, you can tell him: decide for yourself. That’s the hitch that you yourself can’t figure it out yet, because you only remember about rights, but you don’t remember about duties and obligations. The conversation shows that you are a good person, but the core should be strong. These were our ancestors. regardless of nationality, by the way.
                      1. Erich 5 March 2020 18: 26 New
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                        I have 4 children (1 daughter and 3 guys) and I instill in everyone respect for the law, respect for people and the ability to stand up for themselves and their loved ones. In addition, I give the concept of justice, I never took anything from your country and do not intend to, in your country I served in the army and I fulfilled my duty on this issue, I pay taxes (as an LLC (I created myself, the IT field) and how citizen). And even when I was studying (spent in vain 4 years - SUSU in Chelyabinsk as a programmer-technician) I paid for everything a long time ago. Do not need me about the duties, I more than gave them and fulfilled them. And I’m taking my family away from the country in order not to prove something to anyone, I am doing this out of our family interests and do not impose such behavior on anyone. I think I explained quite clearly.
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          here the matter is different, a man comes and begins to romanticize the horrors of war, telling his gaze.

          "romanticize" can only be one who himself has not "grabbed" such a romance. Or did not serve at all, smeared out ...
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            I served but did not participate in the hostilities. 2012 - 2013 years. I do not need these lessons, as well as my children. Who needs - please visit. You think for yourself and not rake others to yourself. It is as if your task is for everyone to think like you)) I, it’s even more, I say to everyone who wants “unity of opinion coupled with the party line,” and not specifically to you.
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              2012 - 2013 years.

              the same age as my elder ...
              1. Erich 5 March 2020 14: 51 New
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                Excellent)) he served in the HF 69806 Air Force - it was an interesting time))
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                  served in hf 69806 air force

                  I won’t write where I served ... he still serves. under the contract. non-travel)))
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                    Excellent, well done)) Good service to him))
    2. carstorm 11 5 March 2020 13: 39 New
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      these activities are voluntary. you can simply prohibit your children from going there like any elective. you read poorly. they are annoyed by the very fact of their presence at school. and this despite the fact that on November 15 of each year the Campaign is held. he somehow provided. on a large parade ground they drove out equipment, set tables with weapons and stands. students from our school and from the whole city come. wild interest. and now they are also conducting.
      something like this.
      1. Erich 5 March 2020 14: 03 New
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        Great event, especially for those who are interested))
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        wild interest. and now they are also conducting.


        Recently, the younger brother also went on an excursion to the military unit. He also said that it was interesting. Showed pictures. I see in the pictures such beauty.
        The parade ground almost glistens, the curbs are whitewashed, the cantes are repelled and sprinkled with sand, the grass is mowed by BSLC.
        I told him: "Hmm, small. You can’t even imagine how much labor has been spent on this exhibition." crying
        Well, nothing, soon he will go to serve himself, and I will see where his interest is going. laughing
    3. Hagalaz 5 March 2020 13: 59 New
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      And I believe that in this particular case, even parents do not have the right to limit the child’s right to information. Gradually, everything on its own “on the shelves” will decompose. And about heroism and the horrors of war. Yes, and parents have the opportunity to convey their opinion.
      1. Erich 5 March 2020 14: 04 New
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        First we ask the parents, if they are allowed, then let them sort them out on shelves))
        1. Hagalaz 5 March 2020 14: 14 New
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          First we ask parents ...

          Not necessary.
          1. Erich 5 March 2020 14: 16 New
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            Ok, your opinion))
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              So it was presented from the very beginning.
      2. Reserve officer 5 March 2020 20: 09 New
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        Roman, right. The child must know the whole truth about the war. And about heroism, and about horrors. And this is the task of both the state and parents. If both of them want to bring up a true citizen of their country.
        This topic is close to me. We have long been creating dioramas in military-patriotic clubs and schools. Using the models of small arms of the Great Patriotic War. And I want to say that schoolchildren have a huge interest in all this. You do not need to be a great psychologist to understand what is happening in the soul of a boy holding a real PCA or PPS with the stigma of graduating from the war years. The weapon is deactivated, but it is now. And before, fighters looked through these sights and cleaned our land of all evil spirits. Take a good look at our guys and you will see their serious eyes. Have matured.
        But we are doing all this because it is far from indifferent to us how our children learn about the history of this war. According to dubious texts of self-proclaimed “historians” on the Internet, to false “feature” films, to computer games, or to live evidence of the feat of their great-grandfathers.
        If you want children to grow up as real people, you need to communicate with them as early as possible. Without false talk, honestly. Children feel falseness very well, but they also feel trust and frankness very well. What you put into their soul will grow.
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          What you do is worthy of respect)) Dioramas in particular))
        2. Hagalaz 5 March 2020 21: 56 New
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          Mutual understanding is worth a lot! A person like you leads the children's military-patriotic organization of our city. My sons were its members at the time. We need to try hard, there is a terrible force against our children, on the other end of smartphones.
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      coordinate this with parents and who agrees - their children will attend this meeting.

      I completely agree with you, Alexander. hi I am categorically against the fact that someone there would decide for me what exactly my children should know and from whom. People who have gone through the war are very different, just like those who did not go through the war, for that we are all people. And I would like to see a person who will talk with my child on such a specific topic. As for the teaching of military affairs at school, I am only for, but without any lessons of “Courage”, it is not clear from whom. Weapons, equipment, charter, but no propaganda!
      My son finished school at the beginning of the two thousandth, there was no military affairs in the school and I taught him everything myself. He went through his war and is not at all disposed to talk about it, like the overwhelming majority of front-line soldiers with whom I had a chance to talk. They do not like to scuffle for a war.
      And you need to decide not at the local level. We need state policy, and here ... "Something is amiss in the Kingdom of Denmark."
      1. Erich 5 March 2020 18: 17 New
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        Everything should start from parents)) However, everything must go through parents))
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      Quote: Erich
      I think that at school you first need to say in advance which topic will be presented, coordinate this with the parents and who agrees - their children will attend this meeting. I think everything is so honest. Those who don’t need it will be able to calmly leave or not go. With this approach, there would be no conflict.

      Then, before the physical education lesson, you need to tell your parents how many times you need to pull yourself up, push yourself out, how many meters to run, and everything else. Dissenters let them go.
      1. Erich 5 March 2020 19: 00 New
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        Ideally, the parent should know what will be in the program, in general it’s bad when you don’t know something, especially about those places where children spend a lot of time)) You transferred the responsibility for the education of the child to the school (state) and it will sculpt the citizen who he needs)) And God forbid this is a kind image of a citizen an e just a stupid consumer with clip thinking))
    6. DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 23: 09 New
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      Those who don’t need it will be able to calmly leave or not go.

      Pacifists, gender, Satanists ... this is possible.
      If your child brought up according to your ideology will be beaten, then -
      Quote: Erich
      Those who don’t need it will be able to calmly leave or not go.
      and do not get into a fight to protect him from morons.
      1. Erich 6 March 2020 08: 13 New
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        I work to ensure that my children can stand up for themselves and each other. Well, I show them a personal example))
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          Well, I show them a personal example))

          Leaving, i.e. running away? An example worthy of imitation ...
          1. Erich 6 March 2020 20: 16 New
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            I show the worries of my loved ones, an example, a professional example)) I do not run away and go to a place where I want to put my strength and mind more)) These are two different things in my understanding)) You have it differently with me))
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    This is an expected phenomenon in a capitalist society where young people have already learned that everyone in this world and in Russia in particular is for themselves. Young people have no involvement in the state because the state itself pushed this feeling away. She pushed away her attitude towards pensioners, teachers, and doctors .. There is a clear discord here, when on the one hand we have “No money, but you hold on,” and on the other, the state’s need for patriotism among the population. A gap appears in society between the ruling class and the people, which leads to similar protests, which are expressed, including in this form.
    This is a consequence of the policies pursued by the current government ..
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      Quote: Svarog
      This is an expected phenomenon in a capitalist society where young people have already learned that everyone in this world and in Russia in particular is for themselves. Young people have no involvement in the state because the state itself pushed this feeling away.

      In those states where the war is now going on, they also thought so, but the war came and there were only two choices, one to defend the homeland, the second to sit as refugees in camps.
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        In those states where the war is now going on, they also thought so, but the war came and there were only two choices, one to defend the homeland, the second to sit as refugees in camps.

        That's right, for this reason, God forbid war, we will have a lot of refugees, and they went to the USSR as volunteers ..
        1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 13: 39 New
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          Article 6. Land, its subsoil, water, forests, factories, factories, mines, mines, railway, water and air transport, banks, communication facilities, large agricultural enterprises organized by the state (state farms, machine-tractor stations, etc.) , as well as utilities and the main housing stock in cities and industrial centers are state property, that is, the public domain. (1936 constitution)
          "The working time determined by the internal rules of the enterprise ... should not exceed 8 working hours per day and 48 hours a week, including here the time used to clean the machines and to put the workroom in order." (Decree of the Council of People's Commissars on an eight-hour working day)
          "Women in the USSR are granted equal rights with men in all areas of economic, state, cultural and socio-political life" (USSR Constitution of 1936)
          The right to education, indicating the obligations of the state, was first enshrined in Article 121 of the 1936 Constitution of the USSR.
          The right to work (Article 118 of the 1936 Constitution of the USSR)

          I’ll tire of further listing, because of which they volunteered for the front in 1941. When the data (not a complete list) of the rights were accepted in Europe, see for yourself. It was for this, for the happy future of their children, that they were going to fight. And now?

          According to article 9, paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation: “Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership”
          according to the report of the Center for Economic and Political Reforms, only from 2000 to 2015 the number of Russian hospitals was almost halved - from 10,7 to 5,4 thousand. Vladimir Putin called the situation in healthcare “a failure”. Dmitry Livanov, appointed Minister of Education in the new government, proposed halving the number of budget places in universities "We must get away from universal free higher education," 12,2 million Russians are looking for work. Of these, 9,5 million people do not receive unemployment benefits. In the second half of the 2010s, the number of homeless people in Russia ranged from 1,5 to 3 million people. According to the director of the Institute of Sociology of the Russian Academy of Sciences, academician Mikhail Gorshkov, they have an income below the established subsistence level for the I quarter of 2015, 22,9 million (15,9%). Professor Natalia Tikhonova, Doctor of Sociology, notes that in Russia “the poverty of working citizens is greater than ever”

          You are now calling for a fight? for this state? BOTH grandchildren of the Queen of Great Britain fought, and in 2018 it became known that the full namesakes of the son, daughter-in-law and two granddaughters of the director of the Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) of Russia Sergey Naryshkin were on the list of those who applied for a residence permit in Hungary. not only the names of close relatives of the head of the Foreign Intelligence Service, but also the dates of their birth. Whether as a result these people received a residence permit is not specified. The SVR press service declined to comment on this information. A list of the remaining children of our legislators and whose citizens they yourself will find.
    2. carstorm 11 5 March 2020 14: 00 New
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      in general, the MO is engaged in such things



      there are a lot of children. You will find darkness of similar photos and videos in any city. just need to be interested in it. These are annual promotions. schools have many cadet classes. almost every military unit has a sponsored school. they spend both lightning and various charges. open lessons and the like in the article. so you are mistaken.
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        in general, the MO is engaged in such things

        MO in this academic year did not give cartridges for firing to graduation classes ...
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    In Germany, they over-dacified ... men in high heels are jumping like goats kas \ spending, to support their ... weak half of society. That's how it can be in geyropov.
    We are for the world, but it is not worth it to go all the way to complete debate / whiteism in such vital topics as preserving a kind, our country ....
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      Not quite a good example.
      In Germany, with * great depression *, almost all girls boys earned prostitution (according to the then German media), and under Hitler they all became bandits and sadists together. By the way, the Germans, with the * leader *, brought in a labor force, so there is considerable experience.
      The current inhabitants of Europe, including buggers, dream of colonies with obedient slaves. Publications on this subject are already appearing, all the more so since the premier in England has not shy already voiced * the European dream *.
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        all the girls boys earned prostitution (according to the then German media)

        What does it have to do with it? The conversation that a effeminate under-husband / husband, he is such in all circumstances, mentally and physically ... and a low social order is, as a rule, very lively, combat contingent, otherwise it’s just NOT SURVIVE!
        1. Basil50 5 March 2020 14: 20 New
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          You do not quite understand. In Europe, there was already a dominance of buggers with lesbians. Just then it was hiding behind prostitution. Goebels's followers creatively developed the theoretical calculations of their idol, if only with current capabilities.
          Without exception, all the fashion trends in Europe are very easily transformed into Nazism. When screaming about * freedom * in Europe, they KILL anyone who does not fit into the idea of ​​that * freedom and democracy *. There, each group of the population is carefully selected, from those in power to criminals. I had a chance to witness how the police, the church, politicians and * private entrepreneurs * mastered their own population there.
          1. rocket757 5 March 2020 14: 33 New
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            A simple question - Why do the “new gay men” do what they want? - After all, they are completely different in all respects, there are fewer of them, and what matters they do ... It's not a joke, at least those who have flown away from us clearly say to us that there was never such a mess and dominance by foreign elements . Notice, not anti-social, but somehow it's your own, but completely ALIEN!
            not everything there is now simple and clear. for their own people, but we are all far away from that ....
            1. Basil50 5 March 2020 14: 51 New
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              All this was already in Europe in the 30s of the last century about the same as it is today, well, except for the developed media and electronic media.
              To grow up a sadist - a bastard convinced of his own greatness, any one suits * shell *. Pederasts, lesbians, pedophiles and other mentally unhealthy people are convinced of their own elitism because * not everyone is given the opportunity to be a pederast or ........ *. Under elitism, * right * is attached to anything from sadism to slavery, since this is * the lot of the elite *.
              All this also happened in RUSSIA in the North Caucasus, when Chechen and Dagestan bandits were raised. Today, Georgians with Ukrainians and Belarusians follow this path.
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                Today, Georgians with Ukrainians and Belarusians follow this path.

                This is so and this is a challenge to both our humanity and our COURAGE!
                Break through, not the first time.
  • Pacifist 5 March 2020 13: 23 New
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    Who is she there? Human Rights Assistant? Well, let it deal with human rights. Not liberal wretchedness, perverts and consumers, namely man. Let her tell you how she protects the rights of veterans, the disabled, etc. .... and patriotic education, history lessons and meetings with real participants in the hostilities is none of her business. Let it roll to the demon. Her opinion in this matter is needed as a cow saddle and not a bit interesting.
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      Quote: Pacifist
      Human Rights Assistant?

      Whatever assistant is so liberal.
    2. bober1982 5 March 2020 13: 57 New
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      Let it roll to the demon

      She doesn’t even have to roll to him, he (a demon, even a bullock) sits in her and yells, she doesn’t even suspect about it, I say in all seriousness, the question is very important. Unhappy woman.
  • bandabas 5 March 2020 13: 28 New
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    Tolerance is now in fashion. Like "cheers-patriotism" recourse.
  • Whalebone 5 March 2020 13: 49 New
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    It is necessary to leave parenting to children. The task of the school is to provide basic knowledge and adapt children to the team. Religion, Patriotism, sports, various electives are a matter of choice for parents and children.
    I won’t give up the youngest to boxing, went to fight. I think it is more healthy and harmonious for physical development. My son will read the necessary books, I will take care. The kid will learn to assemble / disassemble the machine gun not in a lesson at school, but in a shooting club, if he wants. State money spent on "patriotism" - in the form of financing low-grade films about the Second World War (99 percent), feeding all kinds of oversized mummers like Zaldostanov and hedgehog with them, I do not approve of parks with temples for billions. Ordinary manger of hypocrites with real estate and children in the west. There is one “boxer-patriot-public figure-rip-for-Putin” in my city. So he puts such pearls in the FB, that at the time of a mental urgency to cause. If this comes to broadcast to school, then the children will have a hard time. Mine just laugh, but after all, someone can take his nonsense seriously. So I’ll start with what I graduated from - they give knowledge at school. Religion, politics, etc. - outside the walls and with parental permission.
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      There is one “boxer-patriot-public figure-rip-for-Putin” in my city. So he puts such pearls in the FB, that at the time of a mental urgency to cause.

      Last name is not Petrov? laughing
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        No laughing I will not do advertising for the whole world. To nothing. Let the local holy fool stay.
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    1. bober1982 5 March 2020 14: 12 New
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      In America, an army of professionals

      Is it true that bestiality was legalized in the American army?
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        1. bober1982 5 March 2020 14: 49 New
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          Quote: Domobran
          Even so - and so what?

          Are the restrooms "M" and "Zh" - joint?
          1. Domobran 5 March 2020 15: 02 New
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            No, that's too much.
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          Even so - and so what?
          You need to fight from the professional military, their personal sexual preferences are irrelevant

          Right.
          The more junk you have in the army and in society, the better.
          And then they are surprised ... "and why are these Russians not afraid of death?"
          And therefore.
    2. Nikolay73 5 March 2020 14: 25 New
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      You give out your advice that we will decide how to do it ourselves somehow.
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        1. Nikolay73 5 March 2020 15: 02 New
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          I repeat my question again: - Who are you and where will you be from? Who appointed you to give us advice? On what basis did you decide that you have the right to do this and have the competence to make your judgment about whether our decisions are successful or not?
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            1. Nikolay73 5 March 2020 15: 55 New
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              Not at all confused, and yes, in my opinion this is important. If you are Russian, then why are you not in Russia? If a citizen of Croatia - maybe you should pay attention to the country of residence? You see the situation from the outside, we are from the inside, what is up to your assessments - I repeat, why do you think you have the right to give advice? You are talking about a discussion - I am discussing with you and waiting for a logical justification from you ... I am not trying to make your opinion null and void ...
              1. Domobran 5 March 2020 17: 08 New
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                I moved to the former Yugoslavia before the war.
                Now we are not talking about Croatia.
                I see it from the inside, there is a connection with people and sometimes I happen to be.
                This is not advice, this is an opinion. In any case, the children themselves will decide what is more interesting for them, that they would not be advised from outside the country or at home in the kitchen.
                1. Nikolay73 5 March 2020 17: 19 New
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                  We have a law, I think in other countries they also have ... according to our law, young people serve and this is not the subject of discussion if it is not put to a popular referendum, and therefore - be correct and do not discuss the legislation in force in the Russian Federation, you like it or not. This is clear?
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                    1. Nikolay73 5 March 2020 17: 38 New
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                      Who told you that? This is your personal opinion ... what you personally believe and what not is your personal business. With regards to the call, you also spoke out and unlocking is pointless.
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                      2. Nikolay73 5 March 2020 17: 48 New
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                        The laws in force in Russia? Discuss me with you? Sorry, why? You live in another country, what is your interest in our laws? The laws of Croatia are not interesting to me.
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            You call my country - a poor Russia driving children into the army ... consider yourself Russian and live in Croatia ... doesn’t it seem to you too much?
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              1. Nikolay73 5 March 2020 17: 21 New
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                There is a law and while I am a citizen of Russia I will discuss its legitimacy only within the framework of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and other legislative norms and not because I am afraid, but because I respect the laws of my country.
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                  1. Nikolay73 5 March 2020 17: 51 New
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                    That's when it will be necessary for us, in our country, to discuss everything ourselves ... where are you? Correctly! What do you care about our laws?
                  2. Nameless 6 March 2020 00: 34 New
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                    Freedom does not mean permissiveness. Living in a society cannot be free from it. Living with other people you acquire some responsibilities towards them. therefore, do not try to substitute concepts.
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                If the call were at will, what do you think - would there be a shortage?

                Young Americans do not want to join the army. This year, the United States armed forces planned to recruit more than 76 thousand new troops, but barely overcame the 70 thousand mark, TASS reported, citing American media.

                Even an increase in funding does not save: each recruit is awarded $ 40 in bonuses when joining the army. The Ministry of Defense allocated $ 200 million for these purposes. Among other things, the military promised to help repay loans at banks. However, these measures did not produce a significant effect.

                The military associates a decrease in interest in military service with an improvement in the economic situation, a decrease in the number of unemployed, as well as low physical training of recruits. Not all current young people have good health.

                It is worth noting that there are not enough military personnel in many European armies. For example, the Bundeswehr complains about a shortage of specialists. Despite the increase in funding, the German army needs at least 21 thousand new recruits.

                The situation is similar in the British Air Force. This year, only 23% of the required number of pilots were hired, only 17% of aviation engineers, and 26% of the optimal number of analysts. In total, the army needs over 8 thousand new military personnel by 2022. But they are unlikely to be found, it follows from the report of the British Parliament.
              3. DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 23: 20 New
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                There are those who wish, I do not argue,

                Those who want to get a good salary in the army (especially there, you ...) are only in peacetime.
                What if it’s war?
                What to do then?
              4. Nameless 6 March 2020 00: 32 New
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                Voluntary armies do not exist. Calling is the same obligation as paying taxes or paying utilities.
          3. Nikolay73 5 March 2020 16: 05 New
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            Or maybe you did something that gives you the right to speak in a similar tone about Russia on the Russian resource?
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              1. Nikolay73 5 March 2020 17: 31 New
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                Do not try to skimp if you have lost the ability to understand the Great and the Mighty I will explain to you - you haven’t done anything for Russia, for its citizens, you are a resident of another country, but nevertheless have the audacity to speak derogatoryly about Russia, to crawl with your inappropriate advice and reasoning. Still have questions?
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                  1. Nikolay73 5 March 2020 17: 45 New
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                    The fact that you served in the armed forces does not give you the right to derogatoryly speak about Russia. In Russia, there is freedom of speech, I express my opinion ... do you not like it? Don't you think it appropriate? Whether you like it or not - I don’t care, discussing how we live in our country is appropriate with a resident of this country or do you disagree with this?
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                    2. Nikolay73 5 March 2020 18: 02 New
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                      I don’t care what you think there. I believe that a normal well-mannered and adequate person will not speak out in this way about a foreign country. And it's not about me ...
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      Take away the mattress tolerast from here
  • strannik1985 5 March 2020 17: 48 New
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    In America

    With the voluntary principle of manning.
    Initial military training in the U.S. High School has been introduced since 1999.
  • ZAV69 5 March 2020 23: 18 New
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    America has not fought for 160 years on its territory. Why does she need an army?
  • Horon 5 March 2020 13: 56 New
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    In my time, veterans came to school, and were taken to museums to look at weapons, and there were NVP, and in high school they were taken to a shooting range, and they played war games. I did not become more militarized from this, even cooled to arms over time, but, in my opinion, it is necessary not only to show one side of the coin. It is necessary to talk about the war, about the exploits, but not to forget about the losses, about the horrors of the war, while one of the factors of great losses is not the ability to use weapons correctly and efficiently, as well as the ability to provide first aid correctly. Only in the complex. But the desire to fight, can give an ordinary computer, with its virtual "realism" and real personal security. Without real life experience, a computer, with its virtual reality, can easily make a scumbag out of a child.
    1. DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 23: 25 New
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      We must talk about the war, about the exploits, but do not forget about the losses, the horrors of war,

      In horror, as a kid in the 60-70s, there were enough Soviet films about the war, although they spared us - the audience.
      But the films were not bad and brought us up in the right direction, not like now, confusion and reeling.
  • Nikolay73 5 March 2020 14: 21 New
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    I read what was written now and once again held my old opinion - in vain the NVP were taken out of the school curriculum ... OBZh of course at least something, but ... you need to return the NVP and add hours to OBZh - it is also NECESSARY! And so that officers who have passed and have military experience taught, to girls - at will, boys - with passing the standards of at least the simplest.
    1. would 5 March 2020 19: 14 New
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      OBZh of course at least something


      You just didn’t see him. I have seen. First aid is studied by dictation, the teacher dictates, and students write in notebooks. And so all the lessons I have seen, such a training program. I think the comments are superfluous.

      I want to believe that in other places everything is qualitatively different, and there is money for inventory, and the desire of teachers ...
      1. Erich 5 March 2020 20: 34 New
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        With colleges, weapons are dismantled and stores are taught to equip both boys and girls)) So not everything is so bad)) When I was studying, we put on gas masks and collected weapons for a while))
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        It’s very bad if so, in my understanding, the essence of the subject applies to all aspects of life and to give children the skills necessary in life is very important, I hope there are teachers who can give children the necessary knowledge in the right amount ... moreover, I am for returning men to schools, in my opinion it is useful for children, especially now when the number of single-parent families multiplies like a snowball ...
  • JonnyT 5 March 2020 14: 30 New
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    Of course, there is no need to ratify and praise the war! But about the exploits and dedication of our ancestors must be told necessarily.
    And naturally, even a schoolboy should already know that the first duty of a citizen is a defender.
    When I was no longer in high school, there were "saints 90", but the military came from the unit, brought weapons, doctors told how to provide assistance, a man brought radium in his pocket, and talked about protection against radiation and chemistry. I remember the words of the teacher OBZh, when the boys with the class returned from the firing range from the firing range, he then said: "Now you are not meat, maybe you are still living, if God forbid war"
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      But the deeds and dedication of our ancestors must be told necessarily.

      Here is a screenshot from my desktop. I pray for some for peace, and for Tasbolat, forgiveness.
      And this is not the whole list for whom I pray.
  • Blue fox 5 March 2020 14: 35 New
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    I will say how a person several times spent something like "lessons of courage". There is plenty of dirt in this matter, starting from the kids (I’ll say right away that they are mostly not to blame for this because there was no one and no time to tell the truth about it), who, in the 8th grade, sometimes sincerely believe that they had to give up fascists back in the 41st and ending with the attitude of parents. Therefore, I immediately ask the children who are not interested and I ask them not to interfere in this case, but simply step aside if there is an excursion or transfer to the back rows if the lesson is held in an audience. It’s good that so far the number of those who are not obviously interested does not exceed 1-2 out of ten, but among the remaining, if you subtract those who are just interested to take a look and take pictures with mock-ups of weapons of that period, there are only four people who are interested in the topic of patriotism to myself. Moreover, if it’s somehow understandable with the Second World War, it’s very difficult to talk about “Afghanistan” and “Chechnya”, the whole cliches that are put into the heads of children, mainly by films, some kind of hellish potpourri from the “Afghan break”, “9 companies” , "War", "Storm Gate" and more. But it’s difficult to do something about it, because there is a school program and study time, so for those miserable 45 minutes-an hour it’s very difficult to tell something. And it's good that in St. Petersburg there are hours provided for such classes in the curriculum (and for which many, many then write reports and get pluses), I know that in other regions this is worse.
  • kiril1246 5 March 2020 14: 59 New
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    and about the bottle of justice in the lessons of courage tell?
  • Engineer 5 March 2020 15: 29 New
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    Nose may break or ears.

    Ears break in the fight. And not in boxing.
    enthusiasts who really work with children begin to pour mud.

    I didn’t see any dirt, there is a usual discussion, it is conducted in a civilized, legal field. But the mummy militarists were overexcited again
    Gorislavtsev in the video:
    We are in this state - prewar paramilitary

    Why is Mr. Deputy still not in Syria?
    They are listing what kind of fellow and master of sports he is, etc.
    Gorislavtsev is a deputy from United Russia. That’s all you need to know about him. Such an audience should not be allowed close to children.
  • Ingenegr 5 March 2020 16: 03 New
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    And veterans came to our class, and my relatives fought in the Second World War, but everyone stood up for peace and prayed in my heart that it would not happen again ...

    Most normal people do not want to happen again. Military professionals for peace. They are the very first candidates for the “Cargo 200”, if it catches fire, and they perfectly understand this.
    And normal people should understand that world peace is impossible. Conflicts of interest will always and everywhere where more than one individual gathers. The only question is time. And then the guarantee of peace will be only an advantage in power, or their parity.
    For the weak, the world only happens when they themselves or their values ​​are not interesting or are not needed by the strong.
  • Moore 5 March 2020 16: 22 New
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    Somehow it turned out that it was Yekaterinburg that became the Mecca for our "good-faced" people. Either the Alco-Center has some kind of magical property such as the Eye of Sauron, or the residual effects of the consulate being a beacon of democracy ...
  • Krasnodar 5 March 2020 16: 31 New
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    Such organizations need financial government support and PR on federal TV channels. Nobody came to the senior school - he himself gave it to the sections, I drive through museums, talk about weapons. More to such enthusiasts ..
  • samarin1969 5 March 2020 17: 01 New
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    Absolutely correct theme and position of the author. The schools are now officially taking a course to replace the military theme with a "history of life and culture." 3 hours are allocated for the study of "gender relations", and 1812 hour for the entire Patriotic War of 1. The study of the "figures of the Enlightenment" allocated the same hours. how much - for the Great Patriotic War. Patriotism is brought up exclusively by "remakes" of songs and dances.
    Without the harsh truth of real men, Russia is doomed to takeover by alien passionaries.
    1. Reserve officer 5 March 2020 20: 21 New
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      Konstantin Viktorovich, I shake your hand.
      By the way, if interested, go to my profile. There I have only one article - but just on the topic of patriotic education.
    2. DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 23: 37 New
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      Schools now officially take a course to replace military topics

      My grandson has a 4th grade student in “labor” lessons (something is called “technology ...”) and boys and girls with one teacher (he still has one) are engaged in embroidery and applique work.
  • Pacifist with AK 5 March 2020 17: 52 New
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    I understand that it’s not quite a topic ... I understand that I’m not a Russian ..... I understand that perhaps it’s too pathetic .... But let the children listen to real men better than the blue storytellers-tolerasts ... IMHO.
  • BOR-5 5 March 2020 22: 00 New
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    Oh and a hash in the article.
    1). War is dirt, blood, loss. Is always. Remarque on this subject left good works.
    2). Distinguish defensive wars from aggressive ones and in whose interests wars are waged. It is unlikely that it will be possible to instill patriotism on the examples of the Russo-Japanese or World War I. Although it turns out to exploit the Great Patriotic War, removing from there the socio-economic base. And without this, many exploits (even pioneers) cannot be understood.
    3). Should educate people who are ready to defend the interests of peoples. But whether they will be ready to fight in the interests of various capitalists - let them then decide for themselves. The First World War is a very good (although few conclusions were made) example. It is enough to look at the financial conditions of various military companies of different participating countries.
  • Grandfather Crimea 5 March 2020 22: 20 New
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    The site interested me in military information, but the fact that after such articles people pour buckets of shit on each other’s heads and given that they are Russians (the overwhelming majority of Russians) is like a homogeneous mass. .... I’m not at all surprised that Ukrainians have such a mess .... One thing is clear that guys should be masculine, not pediculed, this should be manifested both in clothes and behavior. But this should be set from above, but glamor with TV wins, fashion puts everyone on the shoulder blades. Children adopt the worst, educate women in schools, the network zombies everyone, children tremble and die from gadgets. And then what do we want from the children? One of the parents who asks this question means spending his time not in vain on the child. And whoever yells the most, you see that finger will not hit a finger.
  • fif21 5 March 2020 22: 47 New
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    I remember school years. Front-line soldiers came to the class, participants in the Czechoslovak events, a border guard from Damansky .... and, interestingly, no one complained of hardships and hardships. After their stories, pride for their country grew, and there was a desire to resemble the Heroes of the Brest Fortress, 28 Panfilovites ... What happened to us over the past 30 years? The political system has changed! And “chernukha poured”. And when they suddenly realized and understood where the “European values” were leading us, it turned out that people's minds had already been reformatted. I’m sure that the new Russia has and will have heroes that the boys would like to be like. But you need to talk about this, make films in the Hollywood style and write books. The dog barks, and the caravan goes on. Thank you Andrew and good luck. soldier
    1. Nameless 6 March 2020 00: 14 New
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      Yes, it’s not a matter of changing the political system - it’s just that people have become more dampened by the appearance of all kinds of benefits. Their life simply does not temper problems.
  • Pushkar 5 March 2020 22: 53 New
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    Each generation has its own wars. My grandfathers - Civil, Finnish, World War II. My parents have the Great Patriotic War, Korea. My generation has Vietnam, Afghanistan. The generation of Andrei Gorislavtsev is the Chechen, but in fact the Civil Wars, in which they honorably defended the integrity and security of Russia. And no matter how the liberal public rolls its eyes, it’s necessary to prepare the guys for war. Really cook, with the ability to own weapons, with an initial knowledge of tactics. Then the world will be.
  • Nameless 6 March 2020 00: 11 New
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    Quote: polar fox
    Quote: c-Petrov
    here on the forum there is an information war, but the masks are also reset. In the classic war - all-scouts, cowards, pacifists and critics - it’s necessary in one trench - so that they boil there in their own juice

    simple question: you, dear, when was the last time you studied with children at school? You’re a “patriot” (judging by the posts), and I’m an “all-rounder” (according to your own scale) ... only I am with “pioneers” in my free time I’m doing it, chasing them like goats, in mountains, in general physical training, I give basics of boxing and shooting ... also served as an opera in due time. The older army passed, now they are working, they are studying. What are your merits? to spoil in comments?

    And let me find out what is your "all-proverbial" philosophy?
  • Nameless 6 March 2020 00: 25 New
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    Moreover, if it’s somehow understandable with the Second World War, it’s very difficult to talk about “Afghanistan” and “Chechnya”, the whole cliches that are put into the heads of children, mainly by films, some kind of hellish potpourri from the “Afghan break”, “9 companies” , "War", "Storm Gate" and more.

    About Chechnya (specifically about the first campaign) Nevzorovskoye “Purgatory” will very well and intelligibly explain to them. I don’t know the truth, how correct and appropriate it is to show children such a movie - but in my opinion this is the most realistic film about the war.
  • Nameless 6 March 2020 00: 39 New
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    Quote: Whalebone
    It is necessary to leave parenting to children. The task of the school is to provide basic knowledge and adapt children to the team. Religion, Patriotism, sports, various electives are a matter of choice for parents and children.
    I won’t give up the youngest to boxing, went to fight. I think it is more healthy and harmonious for physical development. My son will read the necessary books, I will take care. The kid will learn to assemble / disassemble the machine gun not in a lesson at school, but in a shooting club, if he wants. State money spent on "patriotism" - in the form of financing low-grade films about the Second World War (99 percent), feeding all kinds of oversized mummers like Zaldostanov and hedgehog with them, I do not approve of parks with temples for billions. Ordinary manger of hypocrites with real estate and children in the west. There is one “boxer-patriot-public figure-rip-for-Putin” in my city. So he puts such pearls in the FB, that at the time of a mental urgency to cause. If this comes to broadcast to school, then the children will have a hard time. Mine just laugh, but after all, someone can take his nonsense seriously. So I’ll start with what I graduated from - they give knowledge at school. Religion, politics, etc. - outside the walls and with parental permission.

    Well, he convinced me that he was not a liberalist! Not ashamed?!
  • Nameless 6 March 2020 01: 00 New
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    and real people, you need to communicate with them as early as possible, as with adults. Without false talk, honestly. Children feel falseness very well, but they also feel trust and frankness very well. What you put into their soul will grow.

    And again, the liberals go into battle! The article is already different (We saw each other) - and your pearls are the same!
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    In those states where the war is now going on, they also thought so, but the war came and there were only two choices, one to defend the homeland, the second to sit as refugees in camps.

    That's right, for this reason, God forbid war, we will have a lot of refugees, and they went to the USSR as volunteers ..

    I saw through you - you are neo-Stalinist! You are essentially doing the same thing as the liberals, but on the “other” side.
  • Russian jacket 6 March 2020 04: 46 New
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    Yeah .... Not Military Review, but some kind of jellyfish .... Shame.
  • ApJlekuHo 6 March 2020 06: 43 New
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    Better an officer son than a transvestite. Today is an informational background in which children can get enough of this.
  • Levius RU 6 March 2020 07: 11 New
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    Quote: Erich
    Do you want to fight? - go and fight, I do not mind that you go to fight, if that is what you need))

    And we will go to war. But they will come for you too. And either in the trench or to the machine. Well, or to the wall. Aside, do not sleep
    1. Erich 6 March 2020 11: 44 New
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      Then it's better to the wall
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    Mwg 6 March 2020 07: 19 New
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    Why do children need to know about weapons? We don’t need about weapons, let’s better study about condoms and sexual self-determination. When the enemy comes to be met with quality sex instead of weapons, it’s probably
    1. Erich 6 March 2020 08: 17 New
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      More topics to study in your head, or weapons or condoms? Probably hard to earn "intelligence" to you ....
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        Mwg 6 March 2020 09: 28 New
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        And what, dear moderator, Mr. Erich shouldn’t answer me either? Comment disappeared somewhere ...
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        Mwg 6 March 2020 09: 43 New
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        Intelligence is the ability to analyze the information received. so she either is or is not her. And if someone decided to “develop” the intellect - no matter what the child was amusing, if only he would not cry
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          Mwg 6 March 2020 09: 45 New
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          And this one did not disappear, it is more tolerant than the previous one))))))))))))))
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          Quote: MVG
          Intelligence is the ability to analyze the information received. so she either is or is not her. And if someone decided to “develop” the intellect - no matter what the child was amusing, if only he would not cry


          But small children immediately turn out to be able to do everything, just do not know how to speak?
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  • Shadow041 6 March 2020 09: 17 New
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    A machine gun is in the hands of a man, this is the ability to defend his country and his family and not women to get into men's affairs ... Learn how to cook better, otherwise you can live by the fact that there are people who don’t know how to fry eggs, but men climb to live and teach and lead the country!
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  • Pashhenko Nikolay 6 March 2020 10: 02 New
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    At the time. We had a teacher of the National Political Camp brought a Kalash at a break and threw and left. And we both this and that, and for a while and just. Who the store trains to train. And nothing, no one's murderer has grown. And then look how you injured their kids , a stick-shooter showed a real, not computer.
    1. Thompson 6 March 2020 12: 47 New
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      we had not only Kalash ... and even a tar machine gun
  • Thompson 6 March 2020 12: 46 New
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    It is important what you will do, not me)) This is your choice and I respect him))

    Ie you are deeply indifferent to the option of my choice ?? Very interesting ....
    I can’t reciprocate, not knowing the direction of your choice
  • saygon66 6 March 2020 14: 33 New
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    -M-yes .... If the son will not go to this terrible box, and will not touch the disgusting, dirty machine gun - mom will give her son beautiful thongs ....
    - Have come ... am
  • BISMARCK94 6 March 2020 16: 44 New
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    Man handsome, I wish to win this confrontation!
  • AleBors 6 March 2020 16: 58 New
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    In Moscow time, some of my friends had serious problems with the law, conducting similar lessons in schools. Moreover, they were invited there. But some parents, with perseverance worthy of a better use, made a serious mess. You can say as many as you like: "Are they no longer fighting on the earth? Did the NATO troops send their weapons to the scrap metal remelting plants?" But this does not penetrate them.
    Accordingly, I am conducting a similar activity among Orthodox parishes. And there, at times, friction arises, with "non-opponents" and pacifists.
  • nikvic46 6 March 2020 18: 44 New
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    This veteran protects from the evil influence of society. Many guys may not go to serve in the army. But now they are trying to make them real men. But these makings in education are very necessary. And the main thing is not to overdo it.
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    Germans, Americans, Japanese, Turks - they are all good democrats bringing us freedom! They are so kind that they hung and shot us Russians, considering them subhuman. WE HAVE ALREADY PASSED THIS, BUT SOME FORGOTS AND TRAINED OURS.
    I have a teacher education and I see very well what our school has turned into and what entails a lack of patriotic education. To my regret, while hucksters are in power, schools will train anyone but those who can crush liars and traitors.
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      You do not look like a teacher - rather a fanatic.
  • border 10 March 2020 15: 29 New
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    Man cut himself off from Russia - considers it "your country." And you want to explain and convince him something? He is already in another dimension. and his children will be citizens of that country where they will live and assimilate to that way and with the "local" values.
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    Liberal schiz of neither homeland nor honor, one stomach and ape apathy, from the western "civilization"