Saved on pensions. 20 billion: is it a lot or a little?

Saved on pensions. 20 billion: is it a lot or a little?

In what currency will we count?



How to evaluate the effect of raising the retirement age if the reform has so far affected only one percent of pensioners? And in what currency will we count? If we were talking about debts of $ 20 billion, which Russia recently wrote off to African countries with enviable generosity, then there would have been a lot. Although this will affect the interests of millions of people from the "black continent."

But 20 billion rubles received at the expense of 400 thousand Russians who had to delay their retirement - this is unfortunate little. Having scattered such an amount into the 40 million pensioners who are still alive, we get pennies. Just something for 500 rubles each, and this is for nine months.


However, this is much more than the ruble with pennies for indexation, which a pensioner from Chelyabinsk decided to send to the Kremlin. With thanks! How not to understand her, if it was about 6,6 percent, it’s just not clear from what part of the pension the honored English teacher. Even from 10 thousand a month it will be 660 rubles - a week for milk and bread is enough. And then 1 ruble and 10 cents.

I wonder how much money, whether budgetary, or from the Pension Fund itself, was spent on calculating such compensation? Even if the robot counted, then its operation should also have been much more required.

But enough of the sad, rejoice for our Pension Fund. After all, as we see, he has already begun patching holes, for which he seems to have launched the entire pension reform. And after all, they did not promise us any golden mountains. When the officials only thought of reforming, they would have to say by name who these people were, they directly admitted that at first no financial effect should be expected at all.

Now it turns out that there is a financial effect. Positive. Apparently, it manifested itself because they began to count differently - not somehow bypassing, such as, for example, the ruble compensation to the teacher right there, but directly. How many pensioners were slowed down to get a well-deserved rest, and since each accounted for it, even the average figure was honestly called - 15,5 thousand rubles a month.

We multiplied and got that in the first year, more precisely, in nine months, the budget saved 21,5 billion rubles. Please note that the period of some characteristic chosen for the report is nine months. Now we can definitely note with satisfaction that the new pension system was born in Russia!

How to steal a trillion


Remember the legendary, one might say, a cult film with a very similar name: "How to Steal a Million." With the charming Audrey Hepburn in a co-star. There, the heroes steal a figurine for a million on their own. In the case of pension reform, there is an obsessive feeling that we are robbing ourselves twice in general. But more on that below.


As early as the summer of the year before last, when the government was obsessively propagandizing its pension reform among the masses, Alexei Kudrin, who had just headed the Accounts Chamber of Russia, suddenly decided to tell what this reform would bring to the federal budget. According to his calculations, by 2024, the budget savings should amount to 1 trillion. rubles.

A beautiful amount, although having painted it for 40 million pensioners, we’ll get not so much anymore - only 25 thousand rubles per brother. This is a year, which means that the monthly increase will be slightly more than two (only two!) Thousand rubles. And this is if all the penny to paint on people without commissions and fees for services to officials.

So was the game worth the candle at all? Do you need to drive hundreds of thousands of people for Mozhai, like the horses they shoot? And all for the sake of some two thousand a month. And then only in 2024. Saving on people is a traditional Russian practice. Today we are talking about saving the budget, although what is a budget without people is generally impossible to understand.

A very interesting controversy was voiced by the media immediately after the publication of the saved 20 billion. In response to the victorious reports about the “saved budget”, the Accounts Chamber stated that the effect of the pension reform could not be called “budget saving,” since it was already taking into account this indicator. However, a number of experts, very authoritative, including those from the government, expressed their disagreement with the Accounts Chamber, since in fact the budget does not make payments, which means that it still saves.

Yes, the budget really saves, but this also translates into the very double theft from ourselves. First, we will circle old people who have not yet reached 70, whose meager pensions continue to be consumed by inflation, or rather, price increases, which are much steeper than 4 percent inflation. And then those who go right after them, with sharply reduced chances to survive to this very pension.

And let Rosstat, along with some governors and mayors, continue to repeat to us about a record increase in life expectancy in Russia or only in Moscow. In fact, we all see that too many do not survive. And not just because the population of Russia continues to decline dramatically.

And all this seems to be with a good purpose. More precisely, even with two. Firstly, in order not to leave without a piece of bread the older generation who have already retired. And secondly, to guarantee a secured old age for a generation that retires with a delay. It is hoped that with a delay of only five years - for both men and women.

Is there money in the EU too?


It would be better, of course, less, but those tears that we seem to be about to offer retirees ahead of schedule are unlikely to suit anyone. What am I talking about? Yes, that is exactly how our pension bureaucrats are going to adopt the experience of civilized countries on early retirement. That's just adopted, as alas, it very often happens in Russia, exactly the opposite.

In Germany or Sweden, in order to encourage an already established pensioner not to rush to quit their job, they are ready to add 12-15, or even 20 percent, to their pension for each year of processing. As a result, in five years, the same ones who have added to our retirement age, a Swede or a German can even receive a doubled pension. And retirement, mind you, is not so scanty, but what is shy there - shameful, as in Russia.


Right now, the Pension Fund somehow resembled our average pension of 15,5 thousand rubles, which is a little more than 200 euros. In Germany with Sweden, less than 800 euros, no pensioner can receive by definition. Any, pay attention, pensioner, even if he has been parasitic for his whole life. They simply fear to humiliate people as is customary in Russia.

And this is done for the sole purpose - not to escalate artificially social tension. In France, they just tried it - they immediately received "yellow vests". Migrants are not just rushing to the EU countries. For social benefits, the countdown of which starts from 400 euros per month. There, in the EU, there is money, although, apparently, there is obviously less of it than in Russia, but no one will just think to say to citizens, and not to citizens either: “But you hold on.”

In our country, in a country with enormous reserves, which for some reason are invested in foreign assets, in a country with almost no debts, with a stable positive trade balance and a balanced budget, the end in itself is not people, but budgetary savings. Here, pensioners, they say, are becoming more and more, and working less.

Pension contributions are constantly in short supply, although it is completely unclear where did those that once should have been gone have gone? Default ate Gaidar's "shock therapy" or the latest crises and sanctions?
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  1. samarin1969 6 March 2020 06: 01 New
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    "Alexei Kudrin, who had just headed the Accounts Chamber of Russia, suddenly decided to tell what this reform would bring to the federal budget. According to his calculations, by 2024 the budget should be saved to 1 trillion rubles."

    And why did the "financial shaman" decide to "save" precisely on pensioners? Probably accustoms to a "healthy lifestyle": do not eat, do not drink, walk. laughing
    There is still much to save on: a fleet of officials, a swarm of “helpers” around each official’s body, pompous forums and shows, an empire of state buildings, epic comics from “movie masters”, etc. ... Mr. Kudrin has an unpowered field ahead " bully
    1. Finches 6 March 2020 06: 20 New
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      France is not a decree for us, of course! laughing
      As for the pension reform, everyone squeaks only on the Internet - and after all, every squeaker went to the polls and elected his deputy, who later voted for the pension reform ... Go and ask your deputies! I don’t go to the polls and I won’t go - but I don’t feel guilty for this anti-people’s decision - there’s no "my" servant of the people in the Duma! And on April 22, when everyone goes to change the Constitution, I’ll go to the wineglass and celebrate the birthday of the person who gave us the Great Country that we ... fook! And again, my conscience will not torture me in front of my descendants for the “ingenious” amendments proposed by the lyceum Mashkov and Isinbaev’s pole vaulter! laughing
      1. Stas157 6 March 2020 06: 54 New
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        Everything is classic, like banal scammers. Those camouflage their deception with good intentions. Pension robbery - a promise of a decent retirement for the remaining lucky. As a result, the old people were robbed, but the pension did not become decent.

        Well done, Tatyana, a bold article.
      2. Chervonny 6 March 2020 07: 29 New
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        Quote: Finches
        I don’t go to the polls and I won’t go - but I don’t feel guilty for this anti-people’s decision

        That is why pension reform has been adopted. You did not go, and your vote was given to the anti-people’s deputy. Do not go to a referendum anti-people amendments will be adopted. If you really want to celebrate the birthday of grandfather Lenin, then go and vote against the adoption of the amendments, and thereby we will bring the return of the people’s state created by the Great Lenin closer, and if you live by the principle of my hut from the edge, you can lose your Motherland and the Fatherland.
        1. Finches 6 March 2020 08: 32 New
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          hi Are you so naive in life or pretending to be?
        2. Boris55 6 March 2020 09: 10 New
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          Quote: Red
          If you really want to celebrate the birthday of Grandfather Lenin, then go and cast your vote against the adoption of the amendments

          That is, the current state of things suits you? You are satisfied that:

          - we are ruled by those with relatives, real estate and loot abroad;
          - that the laws of our enemies are higher than our laws and what they say, we will do it;
          - that Baidon can lead our government;
          - that pensions will not be indexed;
          - that the president in his entire life can be beaten only twice, etc.

          The next election is in the fall. In 2021, elections to the Duma will be held and if we do not accept the amendments to the Constitution proposed by the president, then it will continue to work for the interests of the West.

          Anyone who opposes amendments to the Constitution,
          works for the interests of our enemies.


          Understand that if we choose the Russian Duma, and the president’s amendments are aimed precisely at this, everything else will be leveled by laws in the interests of Russia.

          ps
          Amendments: https://zakonguru.com/izmeneniya/konstitutsia-rf.html
          1. edasko 6 March 2020 10: 51 New
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            All this fuss, as amended, was done only to strengthen the functions of the state council, which had not previously been mentioned in the constitution. Guess who will be the most important there? And the constitution is old and normal, it just had to be implemented. What does the amendment say about improving guarantees for ordinary citizens? Mostly about the federal government. Yes, and they inserted something that is not there - a creature with the post "god". So would write the name and surname. Or shy :)
            1. Boris55 6 March 2020 11: 26 New
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              Quote: edasko
              And the constitution and the old normal

              So you mean that Putin would rule forever? laughing
              1. edasko 6 March 2020 12: 34 New
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                I support Putin’s retirement. But I advise you to read what I wrote about the state council above. So we are not in danger. The new amendment ensures that no one then touches his finger. And by the way - "The ban on ownership of foreign real estate was not included in the draft amendments to the Constitution, since dozens of parliamentarians and officials would have to abandon it or resign from their posts. Interlocutors in the presidential administration and the State Duma told Vedomosti about this."
        3. edasko 6 March 2020 10: 33 New
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          So you can personally check how your vote is calculated? Where is the certainty that someone will pay attention to your scribble? They will be counted as they need. Who is calling you to the polls the most? Is it not the power itself and all sorts of platoshkins there? They need the legitimacy of existence. You just come, and they will count as it should. Of course, if there are not a dozen of us, and millions come, then nothing will change. But if on the contrary, the mode will begin to worry. With them, no one in the world will have any business - they will be illegitimate. And we will all see the results very soon. And retirement retirement, and everything starts to get cheaper ..
      3. smel 6 March 2020 07: 48 New
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        Quote: Finches
        France is not a decree for us, of course! laughing
        . Go and ask your deputies! laughing

        I went to my deputy in July 2018. The name of this deputy is Mazhar. He is the representative of United Russia in the Legislative Assembly of the Rostov region of the last convocation. At the meeting, he asked him about the requests that he made before deciding to support this theft. Inquiries to the regional Rosstat, inquiries to the registry office (registers the dead), in the end morgues and hospitals, in order to find out about the correctness of the allegations about increasing life expectancy. So: they have done NOTHING, not a single request, not a single document. He was able to show me only a stupid screenshot of an advertising clip that began to live in our country longer.
        In addition, I really wanted to get to a meeting of the Legislative Assembly during the consideration of the issue of support (the very support that Medvedev was knocking out of the regional authorities) to increase the retirement age. Failed.
        He thoroughly dealt with the report and co-reports at this event to support the theft. The main speaker is the Minister of Health of the Rostov Region Tatyana Bykovskaya (recently released from house arrest). At 18.00 p.m. on the eve of the speech, no one set about preparing the report. maybe I was just unlucky - for two hours I couldn’t find the person who prepared this report in the ministry by phone.
        In general, a full paragraph with a real consideration of this issue in the Legislative Assembly of the Rostov region. That's how EP manages it.
        Now I'm trying to peck a little on this organization on a different issue. This question is Volgodonsk. Its streets and the road to this city from the regional center. River communication, air communication, railway communication were stolen from this city (although a month ago they launched a new train to replace the ancient one, but the travel time is 2 times longer than by car). A deputy from EP by the name of Rudenko V.A. after three months of my waiting found time to chat with me. Naturally, the topics of conversation and questions were previously indicated. Not one question I received an intelligible answer. There was a suspicion that deputies from EP are all such nonsense. I decided to ask for a meeting with the leader of the EP faction, Mr. V. Revenko. Not fused: 4 months of waiting did not lead to a result. The meeting did not happen. In November last year, all the deputies worked for the reception of citizens for a week. I managed to run into accidentally from my point of view, deputy of the ZS V. Dorofeev. But apart from general conversations, the matter went nowhere. Next in turn is Mr. Ishchenko A.V., Chairman of the Legislative Assembly ..... Also United Russia ... I will make an appointment with him. Maybe he will say that.
        But here a week ago, a whole governor was concerned about the issue of the road indicated by me. Just a coincidence. He gave instructions for 4 years to bring in a divine form.
        And about the 22nd of April. Personally, I’ll go, vote against, and then celebrate the holiday.
        1. Den717 6 March 2020 09: 03 New
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          As a person with an active attitude, I want to express you sincere respect and support. I completely share your view that EP should be cleaned mercilessly. Today, as in the Communist Party, career catchers from the state (mun) service have signed up.
        2. Reptiloid 6 March 2020 09: 39 New
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          smel! ! Respect and from me.
          It is a little incomprehensible here ---- Did you record and wait and talk? It's great that they wanted to get it and find out! But did not write there in advance and in the process?
          There were such thoughts ---- more often there to write ..... like, I’m waiting for a month, I’m waiting for a week .... such questions ......
          It would be great if they answered you ---- everything would be confirmed! !!!!!
          After all, they always refuse from words later ..
          1. smel 6 March 2020 09: 56 New
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            Normal procedure: 1) Register on the official website
            2) Denote questions
            3) you wait (according to the law a month for He is busy), in reality at least two
            4) you come and you are convinced of incompetence (or impossibility)
            In a conversation with Mazhara - I wanted to know his position when voting for supporting the draft amendment of the pension legislation and on what this position is based.
            In order not to refuse personal mail there is an answer about making an appointment. And the reception itself is fixed by an assistant to the deputy. You can warn him and record the conversation itself on the phone, voice recorder, etc.
            During a conversation with Rudenko (she is a deputy from Volgodonsk), what did she do in matters of improving the transport connection of the city residents with the regional center and improving the quality of the road surface in the city of Volgodonsk.
            1. Reptiloid 6 March 2020 11: 09 New
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              smel! Thanks for the answer. Some of my friends love to write paper letters and collect their answers. Reserved answers for several years, then thrown away. As soon as they threw it away, I immediately needed to refer to these answers!
              In general, your questions and their answers in written paper would be good. hi
              1. smel 6 March 2020 11: 36 New
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                For four years I struggled to repair the roadway of the alley where my mother lived. It was not an alley, but a continuous puddle and potholes of more than half a meter. Started with the head of the city. The next year was in the fight with the Ministry of Transport of the region. Then a year - the governor. Then the plenipotentiary representative of the President. Mother passed away. Achieving the goal - has become one of the meanings of life. The struggle ended with the fact that some officials paid an administrative fine (not to be confused with the fine of an individual). Now the lane is one of the best in the city. As a bonus, even the sidewalks were tiled with tiles. I had to sweat a lot. I know that these persons do not even know about this episode. About my efforts ... But .... The road will be overpowered by the walker. And the fact that the governor was preoccupied with the road Volgodonsk - Rostov is a very small fraction of my efforts. And he will repair it, I guarantee. And in Volgodonsk, additional money will be given to repair city roads.
                1. Reptiloid 6 March 2020 12: 54 New
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                  Yes, it’s good that it turned out to defeat the bureaucracy. There are many of them and other goals
                  Moms, grandmothers leave .... My grandmother has been gone for more than 4 years. I often remember her.
                  Good luck in your endeavors!
      4. Den717 6 March 2020 08: 39 New
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        Quote: Finches
        And on April 22, when everyone goes to change the Constitution, I’ll go to the wineglass and celebrate the birthday of the person who gave us the Great Country, which we about ... fukali!

        That’s right, you and those same indifferent and unwilling to take responsibility all this and have profiled. And your conscience will not torment you for a completely different reason. And the lyceum and the pole vault are representatives of the public, i.e. you and I are the same as you, citizens of your country, but striving, unlike you, to perfect what they pass on to your children, and yours too. And you (and I), as the bearer of sovereignty and the only source of law in your country, have the opportunity through them to bring your own idea of ​​how to build your country. I think your dismissive tone regarding Mashkov and Isenbayeva is not entirely appropriate in this case.
        1. Finches 6 March 2020 08: 43 New
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          That's what I like about our people, and I myself am like that, it is an indestructible faith in a bright future and children's naivety in matters that they decide something there! This is the fundamental difference between our people, for example, from the pragmatists of the Anglo-Saxons ... It is high time to understand that under capitalism only the maestro of capital decides, and not your vote in the ballot box! All these election-elections are an ordinary tribute to the tradition imitating democracy (power of the people), as if a tribute to the ancient Greeks! laughing
          1. Den717 6 March 2020 09: 09 New
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            Quote: Finches
            It is high time to understand that under capitalism only the maestro of capital decides, and not your vote in the ballot box!

            This is your idea of ​​the world around. This is your level of thinking. Do you know why the US does not seek to participate in all wars with its ground forces? This is precisely because of the active electorate, by the way. As they say, there is only as much justice in the world as you can win. You sit straight - wait for someone to have you (this saying, do not take it for familiarity)
            1. Finches 6 March 2020 09: 13 New
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              I apologize, I myself will figure it out somehow myself - whether to go to the polls or not! And the United States, this is not a state, in its classical sense, but a large commercial corporation consisting of shareholders - that's why elections play a completely different role!
              And Russia is a historically established Empire and the model of Western democracy does not fit it completely from the word! This is my personal opinion ... So - I am sitting and waiting for when they get me! And you scamper about your choices - but you already have, had and will have! Feel the difference? hi
              1. Den717 6 March 2020 09: 34 New
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                Quote: Finches
                I'll figure it out myself somehow

                No problem. Understand yourself as you want. I’m not even trying to teach you. You said your opinion, I answered you. I’m not going to drive you at the feeding trough.
                Quote: Finches
                And you scamper about your choices - and you already have

                You would like it so much, in fact, everything is somewhat different, but this is my story.
                1. Finches 6 March 2020 09: 41 New
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                  Everyone on this occasion has their own position! In the USSR, elections were a vote and popular approval of the party’s line, while in Russia it’s just an element of people's participation in lobbying for the interests of one or another force behind which the interests of specific capitalists are - and what difference does it make to me — does Abramovich have me or Derepaska? You turn your head on and you will understand everything! hi
                  1. edasko 6 March 2020 12: 56 New
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                    Well, what is lobbying for interests? It’s just accepted - there must be elections. Like everywhere. They must come, vote and go home with the hope that they have influenced something there. It seems like adults come across here, they studied at the old school .. But you read them - well, sheep are rams. Indeed, in the textbooks everything was written about capitalism, and about what it would go for profit. And about the church, which again raises its head - the girls do not need education. So soon church tithe will be forced to pay. The people are dumbing at tremendous speed. The main thing is hope! So I’m going to the polls, I’ll vote against, they will see everything - well, I’m against it, and they will start sharing my rights and money with me. After all, they are not the same ugly monsters, as some write here. They are good (in the shower).
            2. snake 6 March 2020 13: 18 New
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              Quote: Den717
              As they say, there is only as much justice in the world as you can win.

              But there is a big difference: it’s one thing when people are active and himself trying to defend their rights, and another - when crooks arrange a type of referendum, where, with the help of fraud, they again try to push through the laws they need.
              1. Den717 6 March 2020 13: 23 New
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                Quote: serpent
                the other is when crooks hold a referendum type, where, with the help of fraud, they again try to push through the laws they need.

                Catch them by the hand. Expose fraud. What is a "type of referendum" than it does not suit you? Tell us what you see in the amendments that are proposed, how they threaten the common people, etc. This will be a substantive conversation. In the meantime, all this is some kind of worthless set of liberal slogans.
                1. edasko 6 March 2020 15: 34 New
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                  Sorry to get into your conversation. So the fact of the matter is that these amendments make people neither hot nor cold. All in order to stay at the helm you yourself know who. There was a president, he will become the head of the state council, which will be given powers like that of the government. Well, a little tame completely bruised officials. Just what prevents and now they are on the head to knock for someone else's citizenship, foreign property? After the amendments, of course, they will all be corrected and begin to live honestly. Oil painting - one husband is a Russian minister, and his wife and children are British. And with all this.
                  1. Den717 6 March 2020 16: 05 New
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                    Quote: edasko
                    So the fact of the matter is that these amendments make people neither hot nor cold.

                    And if the amendment makes it possible to legally not pay fines for far-fetched European courts and claims of $ 50 billion, will people be sensitive?
                    Quote: edasko
                    All in order to stay at the helm you yourself know who.

                    “You know who” and so will remain at the helm, but EBN2 can come, who will balance it?
                    Quote: edasko
                    Just what prevents and now they are on the head to knock for someone else's citizenship, foreign property?

                    The legal grounds for such to be completely excluded from state administration are being worked out. Then you won’t need to search, and you won’t have to knock on the head.
                    Quote: edasko
                    one husband is a Russian minister, and his wife and children are British. And with all this.

                    And let’s not let anyone out at all, we’ll create a semblance of DPRK. wassat
                    1. edasko 6 March 2020 19: 54 New
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                      This is how the amendment will make it possible not to pay according to the decisions of international courts? Those. here you accept some of your laws and do what you want? All foreign property belonging to the state will be taken away from us according to a court decision. You here at least follow all sorts of laws. Like I accepted, and I’m on us .. you. This does not happen. Here it will just be so - the current state will rob you, but you will not be able to go to the EPR, because there is a correction. Europe will not harness for you personally. And of course, you need to let everyone out, especially for the purchase of real estate by family members of officials and deputies.
                      1. your1970 12 March 2020 18: 16 New
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                        All foreign property belonging to the state will be taken away from us according to a court decision. You here at least follow all sorts of laws. Like I accepted, and I’m on us .. you.

                        there was such a leader, Comrade Stalin .. and there were French debts - recognized in the courts ... but strangely enough, in the pre-war period, when the army was still weak and the diplomats were not particularly, and the USSR itself was not yet recognized by everyone as a state - no one could overcome anything by the decisions of those courts
                      2. edasko 12 March 2020 20: 22 New
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                        Was there anything to wring out? Was Gazprom property? Or Sberbank? Or Lukoil? Or something else?
              2. snake 6 March 2020 16: 48 New
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                Quote: Den717
                Expose fraud.

                And what to expose them? At least the fact that the vote will be held on the principle of “yes or no amendment package” is already hinting that the case is not clean. Only specially gifted or paid Kremlin boats this is not clear. Well and a bonus - 14 billion rubles. to conduct a "popular vote".
                And why did you need to collect signatures to hold a referendum on pension reform, you see, and you do not need to change signatures of the Constitution - welcome to the "vote"?
                1. Den717 6 March 2020 18: 17 New
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                  Quote: serpent
                  And why did you need to collect signatures to hold a referendum on pension reform, you see, and you do not need to change signatures of the Constitution - welcome to the "vote"?

                  Because it is so written in our laws, written not under the current authorities. But you don’t know. For and the need for a constitution is not entirely clear. It is so?
                  Quote: serpent
                  At least the fact that the vote will be held on the principle of “a package of amendments - yes or no” already hinted that the case is unclean.

                  Write to the working group about your suspicions and request that the suspicious amendment be deleted. What is the problem? If you all clearly tell at least here about your suspicions. Nobody bothers either. Only I didn’t see anything sensible in the comments. Can you solve this conspiracy? And yet, the Kremlin is in no hurry to pay me something. It is necessary to eke out a miserable existence on a salary from the main job. What a pity?! laughing
                  1. snake 7 March 2020 21: 53 New
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                    Quote: Den717
                    For and the need for a constitution is not entirely clear. It is so?

                    Did you understand what you wrote?
                    Quote: Den717
                    What is the problem? If you all clearly tell at least here about your suspicions.

                    What's not clear? Russia owes $ 50 billion in the Yukos case. Putin does not want to pay (because he will lose face before the electorate), so there will be amendments to the Constitution - Russian laws are higher than European / world ones. But still, this is only a delay from the inevitable. You have to pay in any case. And by no means out of Putin's pocket.
                    1. Den717 8 March 2020 07: 22 New
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                      Quote: serpent
                      Putin does not want to pay (because he will lose face before the electorate), so there will be amendments to the Constitution - Russian laws are higher than European ones .... But still, this is only a delay from the inevitable. You have to pay in any case. And by no means out of Putin's pocket.

                      That is, you don’t even think that Putin is simply saving money for you, for me, for the budget of the country? Consider, if it is easier and more pleasant for you ... By the way, notice that they initially demanded 100. That is, already in court 50 were saved, and then the lawsuit was declared illegal in general. So, to whom and how much should Russia still have a question ... But you immediately took a defeatist position. Nah, yeah. Peter wouldn’t have stood up with you ...
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                      oh yes, you don’t even think that Putin is simply saving money for you, for me, for the country's budget?

                      How he “saves” me, pension reform has shown you and the country perfectly.
                      "At his inauguration, Putin said that serving his people as before will be the goal of his life.
                      PS. A list of these people will be regularly published in Forbes magazine. "(C)
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                      Nah, yeah. Peter wouldn’t have stood up with you ...

                      What side is Peter's defense for the Vova Games with the oligarchs? Just like a referendum on amendments to the Constitution: everything mixed up - horses, people ... Like, since I am against the GDP policy, I don’t want to defend my homeland either. So much for nah ...
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              Remembered today laughing - I once participated in the referendum of 1991 - with a known result, and then back in 1996 I went to the polls ... And I realized that everyone doesn’t care about the people in Russia! So I'm no longer a walker, wasting my time on this bullshit! And you walk, walk and comfort yourself with illusions!
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                So I'm no longer a walker, wasting my time on this bullshit! And you walk, walk and comfort yourself with illusions!

                In general, I long ago realized that you are closer to the position of a passive balabol, a kind of acne on the ass. Well, you have the right. Be proud of this high rank ... And I will try to do something ... To amuse myself with the illusions of bright prospects is more fun than to go out on a general conspiracy.
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                  I have given my almost 30 year debt to service in the Armed Forces of our country! From ordinary military service, by the way ... You can say from the sperm to the commander of a separate military unit laughing So take it easy on the bends, buddy! And this earned his civil right - to go or not to go to political events! hi
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                    I have given my almost 30 year debt to service in the Armed Forces

                    My track record is no worse. Are you here to surprise anyone? I already told you about your right. Everything said except this applies to your demonstrative position, nothing more. So cursing once again some shortcomings you noticed, remember, they also have your merit.
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                    I mean, you don’t have to be rude! I respect your position to go to all kinds of plebiscites, and I ask you to respect mine - do not go to them! The fact that you will vote for the amendments in no way improve the shortcomings will not change the pension reform that has already been adopted and will not lead the gas pipeline to distant Russian villages ... So, all this is relative to your active citizenship and my passive one in the capitalist world - it does not plays no role! Deficiencies are corrected only by labor and the performance of their duties qualitatively and nothing else! However, this applies to any system! Except for the fact that under capitalism one gains in whose pocket surplus value goes, and under socialism the whole people! But why the hell are we feeding a huge army of officials and deputies - which we choose - I do not know!
                  3. Den717 7 March 2020 12: 15 New
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                    I mean, you don’t have to be rude!

                    Where did you see rudeness? In the vicinity of positions? So I personally did not give you any names. For the hundredth time, I think it is unnecessary to explain the position. You say you commanded a separate unit? M-da-ah ... Even more disappointed ....
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                    I will disappoint you even more - I headed the department at the military institute, and now I work at the university laughing
                    But rudeness was - for example, I did not call you a balabol!
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                    I, for example, did not call you a balabol!

                    I have not awarded you this title either. I just said that your position is close ... You are a teacher, you must see the difference ...
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                    Well, well - get out! laughing God be with him - I never take offense at anyone! Only another time from public balabolism, in the modern information world, shortcomings are corrected much faster than the herd of going to the polls! By the way, as the German people chose a very nimble small and you know what came of it ... So all this is relative - election-election! A beautiful tradition of ostentatious democracy! The main point in all this fuss is the inviolability of former presidents. And the rest is words that will in no way change life in Russia!
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                    I’ll even continue - actor Mashkov proposed an amendment to fix the ban on the alienation of territories in the Constitution ... Only Mashkov was 30 years late with this idea! Comrade Yeltsin, whom many adore, has returned Russia to the borders of the 17th century without any amendments or constitutions! And he came to power illegally ... Nothing! But the Yeltsin Center, the library to them. Yeltsin (I am recorded in it, by the way laughing ) That you do not register there - if someone really needs it, without any noise and dust, it will change for itself - this is the political Russian reality and the essence of our mentality!
                    Now, if they had prescribed for the restoration of Russia within the borders of the USSR and the change of the political and economic formation from capitalism to socialism, I would have come to the polling station from the night to vote ... but I just don’t understand what to vote for now! hi
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                    Only Mashkov was 30 years late with this idea! Comrade Yeltsin, whom many adore, has returned Russia to the borders of the 17th century without any amendments or constitutions!

                    But what do you not remember Khrushchev, but rather Lenin? What, late, then no longer needed?
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                    Now, if they had prescribed for the restoration of Russia within the borders of the USSR and the change of the political and economic formation from capitalism to socialism

                    Do you want the moon in the subjects of the federation? But it’s a pity, and the territory is large, and do not care about all handy on top. wassat You describe some unscientific fantasies here ...
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                    And what does the moon have to do with it ?? My great-grandfathers and grandfathers expanded the borders of the Empire, protected them from adversary, erected factories, built houses ... not for a half-drunk clown to stroke all the merits of the Russian people with a stroke of the pen ... What do you see as a fantasy? I’m on my and your graves, by the way, the same ancestors - I’m not trained to spit, not so educated!
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                    And what does the moon have to do with it ?? My great-grandfathers and grandfathers expanded the borders of the Empire, protected them from adversary, erected factories, built houses ... not so that a half-drunk clown with a stroke of the pen would erase all the merits of the Russian people ...

                    I am surprised that, with all your experience, you still did not understand the role and place of a person in history. Apparently they forgot what they studied at the department of Marxism-Leninism at the school. A half-drunk clown is a private tragedy. The country was doomed to collapse, because by that time it had already lost its power and become led by the decaying party nomenclature. The old leaders have already survived from the mind, and the youth next to them have already sold for "jeans and chewing gum." Remember how the Baltic states scattered, how the Caucasus was seething, where the Warsaw Pact went. The empire was dying before our eyes. Have you not seen this ?!
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                    What is your fantasy?

                    The fantasy is that you dream of "sucking" a bunch of other UN member states into Russia. Even if this is done peacefully (I will also try to fantasize), then Russia will certainly collapse under the unbearable problems of the economies and social difficulties of these countries.
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                    I do not deny the mistakes made that led to the greatest geopolitical tragedy, but in addition to mistakes, the country was deliberately led to collapse - the collapse could be stopped, but no one did it - and this is not just an implacable course of history, but a betrayal of specific people! That's the problem! As for the rest - this is just a fact of the triumph of justice, as with the Crimea and nothing more! In 2008, we were not allowed to reach Tbilisi .... but in vain! Many problems could already be avoided ... But, unfortunately, history does not know the subjunctive mood!
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                    I do not deny the mistakes made

                    These are not mistakes, this is not the right course. Those. a bunch of mistakes that have developed in the inevitability of great geopolitical upheavals. Therefore, even if EBN were a teetotaler, the USSR could not be kept in unity.
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                    In 2008, we were not allowed to reach Tbilisi .... but in vain! Many problems could already be avoided ...
                    -you are ready:
                    1) feed Georgia
                    2) fight with fighters in Georgia (and with the opening of the border - in our Caucasus)
                    3) deal with dissatisfied in Georgia
                    4) fight the opposition in Georgia
                    5) deal with property in Georgia
                    6) restore all industry in Georgia
                    7) learn Russian language
                    8) fight corruption in Georgia
                    9) and so on
                    ????????????
                    Noble you offered a gift ... a solid "avoidance of problems" ...
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          like the German people chose a very nimble small

          A lot of money was invested under this small one. And the average German, like today the average Ukrainian, stupidly scored like a cockroach under the baseboard. Give the wrong example ...
          Quote: Finches
          The main point in all this fuss is the inviolability of former presidents.

          And give you every five-year Ipatiev's "amusement"?
        3. Finches 7 March 2020 13: 00 New
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          And where is the average Russian now - do not tell me? Ipatyev’s amusement has nothing to do with it - the Bolsheviks didn’t throw the tsar down, but what they shot, tragedy, yes, but the tragedy is really ordinary! Just an episode in a series of historical tragedies! Here, for example, the French do not sprinkle ashes on the cropped head of Louis and his wife ... However, this is not about that - but about amendments! I find this occupation pointless, you find it archival - go and vote! May God give us health and in a year you will write to me here on the site, in which direction your life has changed over the year and whether it has changed - maybe I will admit that I am wrong!
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          And where is the average Russian now - do not tell me?

          In the same place as before. With advice, he was in about the same place.
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          in a year you write to me here on the site, in which direction your life has changed

          My life, most likely, will not change if it is not covered with snow and the tram does not move. The results of these changes can be seen in 10-15 years. Our country is too big to turn it somewhere off the current direction.
        5. Finches 7 March 2020 13: 17 New
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          Under the Soviets, the average Russian had complete confidence in the future, but now it doesn’t ... But this is not about the political and economic formation, but about the Constitution! I apologize for the same blizzard when they adopted the Yeltsin constitution ... 30 years have passed, but what has changed for the better has nothing to do with the constitution - all changes for the better are the usual course of development and successful pricing on the energy market in 2000s, more or less correctly used for the development of the country's economy! But, on the whole, as you correctly noted, Deripasco has become richer, and the average Russian has remained in the same place ... In St. Petersburg, the average salary in the city is 36 thousand rubles, this is reality, what can we say about Kostroma? It’s a sin for me to complain that I have a normal pension and plus a salary (not a big one, but nonetheless), but the ensign of my military unit receives 12 thousand pensions ... But, just as active to the point of madness, he goes to the polls and hopes that he will be lucky! laughing
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          Quote: Finches
          but the ensign of my military unit receives 12 thousand pensions ... But, as active to the point of madness, he goes to the polls and hopes everything,

          And in addition to hopes, it was necessary to row paws in a timely manner - to get a profession, improve qualifications, change jobs, reside, and much more could be done. I myself went from Siberian poverty to Siberia, studied and now periodically study to conform, and therefore also do not complain about my life. Under the speed bump, alcohol does not flow laughing
        7. Finches 7 March 2020 14: 09 New
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          So this proverb has no social borders, no political system, but the ensign's pension in the USSR allowed him to live with dignity, as befits and deserves a man who devoted his years to serving the country ... That's what I need!
        8. Den717 7 March 2020 14: 59 New
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          ensign's pension in the USSR allowed to live with dignity

          I don’t know how the ensign lived on a pension under the USSR, but a family of 5 people, of which two worked, lived very modestly. With vast territory and confidence in the future, the city of Chelyabinsk has lived on food cards since the late 70s. And every year more and more products were covered by this distribution method.
        9. Finches 7 March 2020 15: 06 New
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          Something I don’t remember a card in the late 70s ... True, I didn’t live in Chelyabinsk, but in the republics, unlike the RSFSR, there was absolutely everything that you wish! After 85, real difficulties began that were artificially created by the corrupt elite of the USSR. But I will not go over to the argument about where it was better to live! Because it was absolutely sure that under the USSR there was a fair and popular system, and under capitalist Russia it was valid only for a handful of the elect! But this does not apply! And in general, thank you for the dialogue! hi
        10. Den717 7 March 2020 15: 12 New
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          True, I did not live in Chelyabinsk, but in the republics, unlike the RSFSR, there was absolutely everything

          Unlike the RSFSR - correctly noticed.
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          I am sure under the USSR there was a fair and popular system, and under capitalist Russia

          30-40 years ago it was getting better, because we were younger and healthier. This is simply called nostalgia for a lot of historical myths. And then justice was selective. Her justice was always not enough, then, and today. Yes, and tomorrow there will be no more. Thanks for your kind words. hi
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        I don’t know how the ensign lived on a pension under the USSR, but a family of 5 people, of which two worked, lived very modestly.

        In the 90s, the pension of two pensioners was enough to feed the children who were not paid salaries
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        Quote: Den717
        I don’t know how the ensign lived on a pension under the USSR, but a family of 5 people, of which two worked, lived very modestly.

        In the 90s, the pension of two pensioners was enough to feed the children who were not paid salaries
        -trabl was that pension - also did not pay
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    Probably because our science is limping on all legs because universities are in the hands of people with dead eyes. God forbid my children get to such teachers! Sorry for the harshness ...
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    Others did not complain ... even vice versa laughing But my position is in no way related to teaching and to the eyes! They have completely different from me! But from stupid things, here you are right, go out!
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    and will not hold the gas pipeline to distant Russian villages ..
    - I'll tell you a secret - over the past 15 years, more settlements have been gasified - than for whole USSR gasification period
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    Your dismissive tone regarding Mashkov and Isenbayeva is not entirely appropriate in this case.
    With all due respect to the opponents, I still do not agree with you. It seems to me that this is not a dismissive tone. Rather, it is disbelief in the truth.
    Recently, at a very meeting of the President with members of the Government, some of them, when covering the issue of coronavirus, already sprayed poison against people who do not believe in the official number of cases and believe in fake news. Probably, this disbelief did not appear from scratch. The constant talichy about our good, happy and prosperous life, about increasing its duration, about a pension that you can travel around the world, about increasing gold and foreign exchange reserves, a positive trade balance, surplus ..., successes in ..., etc. d. etc. do not allow people to believe, because what they see around them does not correspond to this .. Well, deputies who voted together against their people, against their electors, deputies who do not share the hardships and deprivations of modern time with compatriots do not cause respect, do not cause sympathy, do not cause trust.
    Mashkov and Isinbayeva, like many others: fighters, TV presenters, observers and other "greats", are not representatives of society, not fighters for its interests. These are random people who fell into the highest bodies of state power by virtue of their celebrity and came there to support the interests of the party in power that brought them there, and not the interests of people.
    I do not watch TV shows. But, sometimes switching channels and meeting the same faces of endless soap operas about cops, about broken lights, about gangster Peter on the TV screen, with a shudder, I think that here they are !!! here they are new deputies !!! Watching sports programs and watching successful rulers of a ball or puck - the same scary thought comes.
    And about the fact that you need to go to the vote and say NO to a package change of the Constitution (or maybe someone these changes and for joy) - I agree with you.
    By the way, readers, take an interest in the topic of the State Council. He has already been in our country ... More than 100 years. True, when it is created, it will be necessary (if, in historical truth) to disperse 90% of the power
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      With all due respect to the opponents, I still do not agree with you. It seems to me that this is not a dismissive tone. Rather, it is disbelief in the truth.

      You can believe, but you can know. I try to know more than to believe. On the whole branch, only one tried to find out something and influence something. Did not work out. Today. But he continues, and I think, sometime, if not all, but it will work out. But it turns out badly because the rest are sitting and doing nothing. They are grumbling, but on the whole they are happy with everything. For if it burned under the ass, then there would be movements. Why are they sitting, but because laziness is scary, and what if it doesn’t work out, that’s a shame ... By this principle, why give them all the right to vote? What can they all sorts of non-lawyers? After all, such logic? And hypocrisy and leaps are mentioned not because they do not believe them, do not be fooled, first of all, but because they consider them incapable of influencing and generating ideas, like, who are they? And Mashkov moved the idea, maybe not only his own, about the inalienability of the country's territories. Who is against? All for. It was not before, but now it will be. And the GDP responded, something like "a good idea, let the lawyers pack it and go ..."
      Quote: smel
      Mashkov and Isinbayeva, like many others: fighters, TV presenters, observers and other "greats", are not representatives of society, not fighters for its interests.

      What are they guilty of? Or in another way - and who would you appoint your representative? And I know someone with an accuracy of 99%. Nobody. We’ll sort it out ourselves .... We’ll choose it. They will come to the meeting, assembled by the director on the order, listen, silently, they will ask a maximum of a question about a neighbor smoking in the entrance, how to punish him with a villain. That's all the acquaintance with the candidate for deputies of all levels. And then yes ... Where did they come from in the Duma, bastards, people, foreign citizens? Yes, from there, from our silence and disbelief with ignorance. So we whine about pension robbery, because we don’t want to think about ourselves in the future, or to influence anything. I do not want to teach or encourage anyone to exploit. Myself, I decided the pension issue and leave the old term, if I want. He also gave recommendations to children. And here, who like to wind snot, their right. I do not blame them ... Pleasures are different laughing
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        I agree in many ways. He went to rallies about pension reform. Carried out the Communist Party. Sadness. The Communist Party itself is sad, a rally, the desire of many to publicize. There are no personalities, but those who know the situation and want to influence it even less. The same sadness is opposition to the rally by the authorities, silence, blackout, etc. The truth that every nation deserves its ruler in our country is manifested at 100
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          He went to rallies about pension reform. Carried out the Communist Party. Sadness. The Communist Party itself is sad

          Although they went, it’s good. With your own eyes, it’s more useful to watch and listen to local partisans than to listen to what your neighbor tells about them. With the blackout - a little surprised. We have it turned off according to the plan periodically, well, at first it will be turned off, then they show the plans to the city prosecutor (he lives through the entrance). laughing
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      Probably, this disbelief did not appear from scratch. Constant Talking about our good, happy and prosperous life, about increasing its duration, about a pension you can travel around the world, about increasing gold and foreign exchange reserves, a positive trade balance, surplus ..., successes in ... etc . and so on do not allow people to believe, because what they see around themselves does not correspond to this ..
      - for some reason it immediately reminded me of the USSR - with its milk and cast iron ... hence the disbelief ..
      Z.Y. from the first day of the construction of the Balakovo NPP (in the absolute USSR !!!) in the grandmother’s village they said - "Herods are poisoned !!!! regularly they let gas in !!! and cucumbers wilt !!!"
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    And the lyceum and the pole vault are members of the public you and I are the same as you, citizens of your country, but striving, unlike you, to improve what will pass on to their children,

    Vladimir MASHKOV: In America, my son is growing!
    (https://www.nnov.kp.ru/daily/23933.3/69916/)
    Is it necessary to write about a resident of Monaco Isinbayev?
    And should these "patriots" amend the Constitution?
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      Vladimir MASHKOV: In America, my son is growing!

      And what from this? He is not a civil servant, he has the right to make children anywhere. What's question? And with Isinbayeva nothing out of the ordinary ... But we were proud of her achievements when she won with our flag in Monaco and other places and climbed the podium? She opened in Volgograd many sports grounds and gyms, held several championships with her prize pool. Have you even swept cigarette butts at the entrance with your broom? Do you have an asset built for your money sandbox for other people's children in the yard? What unpatriotic action of Isinbayeva can you bring?
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        And what from this? He is not a civil servant, he has the right to make children anywhere.

        Since he is not a civil servant, then what the hell is he correcting the Constitution for? Let him act in films (although he rolled down, but the essence). Isinbayeva let him train with a pole to jump, or let him go to the cinema too - now there is no need for acting talent. What do they even know about the people? How, living in America and Monaco, can you understand life in Russia? They are already far from both Russia and the people. I can’t say for sure who needs to change the Constitution, but certainly not for athletes and actors. Because of training and training, the former rarely read books, while the latter are ready to “play” for money in any slag. Modern actors, I mean.
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          Because of training and training, the former rarely read books, while the latter are ready to “play” for money in any slag. Modern actors, I mean.

          Isinbayeva, for a moment, is a candidate of pedagogical sciences, so that there is hardly a problem with books there. What do you have? How competent are you to deprive someone of the right to discuss the constitution? How many ideas did you submit?
          Quote: serpent
          Since he is not a civil servant, then what the hell is he correcting the Constitution for?

          He is not just an actor, he is also a director and screenwriter. And he is a citizen of the country. Representative of the cultural community. Why do you want to impress him in his rights? Incidentally, he proposed a good idea, but is yours better?
          Quote: serpent
          What do they even know about the people?

          Do you know more about the people? Share with the working group and suggest yours. Many suggested? Branding shame and suspicion from the couch is easy, but what did you do?
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            Isinbayeva, for a minute, candidate of pedagogical sciences,

            And just the other day I read the constitution. Good candidate ped. Sciences, you will not say anything.
            Quote: Den717
            He is not just an actor, he is also a director and screenwriter.

            And in all these forms - the bottom. Selling and lizoblyudskoe. Let your dirty hands keep away from the constitution.
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              And in all these forms - the bottom. Selling and lizoblyudskoe. Let your dirty hands keep away from the constitution.

              Well, this is your opinion. You do not admit that others can and have the right to think differently?
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    As Churchill said, people who do not come to the polls choose bad power
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    I don’t go to the polls and I won’t go - but I don’t feel guilty for this anti-people’s decision ... I won’t be tormented by my descendants for the “ingenious” amendments proposed by the lyceum Mashkov and Isinbaev’s pole vaulter! laughing

    Yes, Zyablintsev! well done, I took the ostrich's pose, it’s not me, I have nothing to do with it, I didn’t vote, I didn’t participate, I’m white and fluffy, it’s not my fault that I raised my retirement age, I was silent in a rag. And your children and grandchildren, when they come to retire, they still ask you, give you many years - Grandfather, why didn’t you keep silent? How can I survive until retirement ?, we are now suffering because of you, for your silence, indifference .. Oh am
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      I wish you success in your business - the selection of worthy deputies and the right amendments! I trust you - choose 30 years, but so far, you don’t really guess! Continue to do this further - I’m sure that someday you will be lucky with both the deputy and the amendments! laughing
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    I'll go to the wineglass and celebrate

    At M. M. Zoshchenko it is more elegant - In a porter. drinks
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      There was another time! But you are right drinks
  • DMB 75 6 March 2020 09: 13 New
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    They found on whom to save. On their beloved officials, they do not want to save something ...
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    Colleague Samarin, when speaking about the empire of state buildings, you forgot to mention the empire of private bureaucratic palaces. I watched these videos - the jaw dropped! It was thought then: there, in that Empire, probably, the pointers are needed, as on the highway, otherwise you can get lost. What a modest thing! Sitting in their empires, they prescribe us to be humble to shabby Khrushchev, and even cardboard boxes.
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      Colleague Samarin, when speaking about the empire of state buildings, you forgot to mention the empire of private bureaucratic palaces. ..... What a modest thing! Sitting in their empires, they prescribe us to be humble to shabby Khrushchev, and even cardboard boxes.
      Greetings, Lyudmila! hi Khrushchev is not the worst, they are not so dilapidated, as sometimes the old foundation and barracks. ... but modest macaroni am at 3500 per month ---- unforgettable advice, also remember how hard it used to be. ...
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        About how hard they used to live, some official advised to remember ...... another deputy from EP in her leaflet welcomed the pension reform. .... Lyudmila Pakhomova ... the truth then they said, they say fake ..... or broke out of context .... the doctor living abroad also welcomed the reform on TV.
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        Colleague Samarin, when speaking about the empire of state buildings, you forgot to mention the empire of private bureaucratic palaces. ..... What a modest thing! Sitting in their empires, they prescribe us to be humble to shabby Khrushchev, and even cardboard boxes.
        Greetings, Lyudmila! hi Khrushchev is not the worst, they are not so dilapidated, as sometimes the old foundation and barracks. ... but modest macaroni am at 3500 per month ---- unforgettable advice, also remember how hard it used to be. ...
      2. depressant 6 March 2020 11: 35 New
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        Greetings, colleague! hi ))
        Do you know what bothers me the most? Sneaky selection of amendments. If I am against the State Council and say no to the amendments, then I say no to social amendments. And if I say “yes” to social amendments, then by that “yes” to the state council and other dregs that are sewn to them.
        Firstly, it is twisting the electorate’s hands, and secondly ... It turns out that the authorities are hinting that by not voting “for”, we will repeal all laws guaranteeing a social package. Does Putin even know that such laws exist? Did he even understand that in the form of their “own” amendments, these laws, literally repeated verbatim? I believe that he understands, but hopes that the population does not know the laws and perceives handouts of power as royal mercy, which may or may not be. And he will vote in favor, so that mercy is always there. So after all, our king has a very changeable mood.
        1. Reptiloid 6 March 2020 12: 22 New
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          Well, you never know what .. Lyudmila wassat lol ..How is Sheckley, our Robert? There is a right, but no opportunity to take advantage.
          After all, many laws are not implemented, are ignored
          I don’t understand something else, have repeatedly recalled Yeltsin’s, they say, it is necessary separately? And here again? And why not enough time? Catch up to the summer season? Why can not there be improvements? Now or never? Is it anyway? Some sort of blackmail. Isinbaeva only read the schass and read, so well, she didn’t star to tell the truth. Open soul good . The rest are cunning, silent.
          And about the children? State wealth? And then them ---- times! And where to the boarding school? And if it is an asset, then it should be on the provision of the state, with its support? Where is it? Shchassss will give?
        2. Reptiloid 6 March 2020 17: 30 New
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          Quote: depressant
          Greetings, colleague! hi ))
          Do you know what bothers me the most? Sneaky selection of amendments. If I am against the State Council and say no to the amendments, then I say no to social amendments. And if I say “yes” to social amendments, then by that “yes” to the state council and other dregs that are sewn to them.
          Firstly, it is twisting the electorate’s hands, and secondly ... It turns out that the authorities are hinting that by not voting “for”, we will repeal all laws guaranteeing a social package. Does Putin even know that such laws exist? .......

          Sneaky selection? Even some. Now I read that the deputies refuse to accept the amendment on the nationalization of the elites. Since many have foreign accounts ...... smile smile smile smile
          And what Putin suggested doesn’t agree, but do we need the whole package at once?
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      "sit in the Empire" I'm sorry I hope in Stalin?
  • Lannan Shi 6 March 2020 06: 06 New
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    And Mr. Garant was laid down to manage the affairs of Mr. Guarantor in 2020 - 165 billion. Here is a little cut back on Mr. Putin’s “modest” requests, and pension reform is not needed ....
    1. Uncle lee 6 March 2020 06: 45 New
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      Default ate, Gaidar's "shock therapy" or the latest crises and sanctions?
      Announce the entire list of "eaters" .... Pzhlst ...
    2. Stas157 6 March 2020 07: 27 New
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      Quote: Lannan Shi
      And Mr. Garant was laid in charge of managing the affairs in 2020 - 165 billion. Here's a little cut Mr. Putin's "modest" requests

      The costs of the incompetent government and state apparatus of officials are only growing. Moreover, the pace is much higher than inflation. In the current vicious system, only the lower people have to squeeze.

      I am not even upset, because for a long time I have not been deceived in expectations about our president. Indeed, it has never been otherwise in the Russian Federation.
    3. Svarog 6 March 2020 07: 30 New
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      Quote: Lannan Shi
      And Mr. Garant was laid down to manage the affairs of Mr. Guarantor in 2020 - 165 billion. Here is a little cut back on Mr. Putin’s “modest” requests, and pension reform is not needed ....

      There, not only Putin can be cut back ... if you seriously approach this issue, then there is enough money to pay decent pensions and social benefits ...
      1. Stas157 6 March 2020 09: 02 New
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        There, not only Putin can be cut back ..

        One could not even cut back - money would still be enough anyway. Pills and funds are bursting with surpluses, the budget is surplus, and existing pensions are scanty. People are simply robbed.
        1. Boris55 6 March 2020 09: 58 New
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          One could not even cut back - money would still be enough anyway.

          1. Money is the equivalent of manufactured products.
          2. If they are taken away from us, we will not increase.
          3. Prices correspond to the purchasing power of the population.
          4. The welfare of citizens does not depend on the number of candy wrappers in their pockets.

          It is not necessary to raise pensions and salaries, but to lower prices then welfare will increase, but this is a completely different social system ...
    4. Salty 6 March 2020 07: 37 New
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      2020 billion was set aside for managing the affairs of Mr. Garant in 165. Here is a little cut back on Mr. Putin’s “modest” requests

      Let’s cut this management altogether? And we’ll divide 165 billion into all pensioners, about 50 million of them, right? We’ll get, scary to say, more than 3000 rubles a year for each. Serious money, og.

      Quote: Lannan Shi
      and pension reform, as it were, is not needed ....

      Sometimes it's better to count than talk.
      1. Lannan Shi 6 March 2020 07: 53 New
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        Let’s cut this management altogether? And we’ll divide 165 billion into all pensioners, about 50 million of them, right? We’ll get, scary to say, more than 3000 rubles a year for each. Serious money, og.

        1. Eight times more serious than the current pension reform.
        2. Without cents, 20% of the budget of the Russian Federation, passes under secret articles. And having an idea of ​​the cost of maintaining lawns / ponds, I doubt very much that the contents of hats like this fit into the official 165 yards.

        That concludes the discussion. For stubborn fans to interpret something ... Occupation for violent optimists.
        1. Salty 6 March 2020 07: 58 New
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          For stubborn fans to interpret something ... Occupation for violent optimists

          I agree. In vain, I'm crucifying you here. However, you did not refute my calculation, but only tried to throw a louder, that is, the calculation is correct, and yours

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          Here’s a little cut back on Mr. Putin’s “modest” requests, and pension reform, as it were, is not needed ...

          as usual with your kind - empty talk. Not surprised.
      2. Ingvar 72 6 March 2020 11: 22 New
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        Let’s cut this management altogether?

        But is it okay that the administrative apparatus of all state structures is completely inflated, and as a percentage of the population we are almost ahead of the planet in terms of the number of officials? Why is the staff of FIUs many times greater than in any developed state, and pensions many times lower? Can't see the connection?
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          Why is the staff of FIUs many times greater than in any developed state, and pensions many times lower?
          -because in any There are no free pensions for the world’s state. All that’s accumulated - all yours are over - over a cardboard box under the bridge, from which 7% of the population will be insured against fires and floods ..
          Then they drown / burn and require new housing
          And so from year to year ...
          1. Ingvar 72 12 March 2020 18: 44 New
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            run out - there's a cardboard box under the bridge

            You should study in more detail the pension systems of the countries of the world. wink
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              Quote: Ingvar 72
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              run out - there's a cardboard box under the bridge

              You should study in more detail the pension systems of the countries of the world. wink

              please give an example
              but at the same time take an interest in - where, for example, pensioners of Canada went when grandma's pension funds invested in Busanga .....
              1. Ingvar 72 12 March 2020 19: 02 New
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                Quote: your1970
                please give an example

                Pensions in Germany. It does not end, as you say. And you don’t need to force me to look for information that is known to almost everyone - that’s not the point. The number of PFR employees has nothing to do with the number of pensioners; in the United States, exactly the same number of pensioners. And employees are many times less. They have more than 200 thousand police officers (900 including to 700 including), but their population is also twice as large. We are in the top five by the number of officials per capita, but judging by the efficiency of the economy, their work is poor. And this despite the fact that it is we who maintain them, at our own expense.
    5. Den717 6 March 2020 11: 35 New
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      Here is a little cut back on the "modest" requests of Mr. Putin, and pension reform is not needed ....

      PFR subsidies from the budget of 3,5 trillion rubles, expenditures of the PFR per year about 8 trillion rubles. Do you really think that 165 billion will affect something there?
      Well, let's cut a hundred. But a private village will wash it off by flood, as it happens every year, or a village will burn out with the bad fall of last year’s grass, from what savings will you liquidate the consequences? Let them figure it out somehow?
      1. Lannan Shi 6 March 2020 11: 45 New
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        Do you really think that 165 billion will affect something there?

        165 yards is the pension of 1 million senior citizens. Or the monetary content of 300-400 thousand contract soldiers. Or the salaries of about half a million medical teachers. Of course the little things.
        Just imagine. City millionaire, populated by retirees. And next to Mr. Putin in all its glory. And they cost the country the same. Is not dofiga dofiga money spent on one impudent person? If, in the Russian Empire, the entire imperial court cost the treasury 0.6% of the budget. Mr Putin is worth 0.8%. Oh how. Kolya romanov is a cross between the poverty of the sub-fence and the Kazan orphan, against the background of Mr. Putin.
        By the way. The US president costs the United States about 1.5 yards a bucks. Those. 1.6 times cheaper than our guarantor of Russia. Despite the fact that the striped budget is 10 times larger than ours. What fright have we got the biggest expenses in the world for feeding a chapter? Do not be difficult to clarify? And then we can talk about officials in general. There already the amounts will be quite comparable with all the pensions of the country.
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        In general, just try to realize. Every hundredth ruble of the budget is spent on feeding Mr. Putin. The Egyptian pharaohs were more modest.
        1. Den717 6 March 2020 12: 52 New
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          Mr Putin is worth 0.8%.

          And Mr. Garant was laid in charge of managing the affairs in 2020 - 165 billion.

          "...... MOSCOW, Sep 18 - RIA Novosti. 2018 billion rubles will be allocated from the budget for the functioning of the President of Russia in 15,945, 2019 billion rubles in 15,969, and 2020 billion rubles in 16,001, follows from the project the federal budget for 2018 and for the planning period 2019 and 2020, which is published on the portal of draft regulatory legal acts ......
          ..... According to the project, 2018 billion rubles will be allocated to the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation in 9,626, 2019 billion rubles in 9,649, and 2020 billion rubles in 9,650. The Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation will receive 2018 billion rubles in 5,002, 2019 billion rubles in 5,003, and 2020 billion rubles in 5,032 ..... "
          Something does not converge .... Summarizing everything we get for 2020 - 30,627 billion rubles. Where is the truth? And it's not cheap, maybe. It is difficult to judge without detailed budgets. At the same time, I am more concerned about the personality of the successor. Some “clown” on promises to cut down all officials and give a pension of a piece of greens to everyone would not have come across.
          1. Lannan Shi 6 March 2020 14: 15 New
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            "...... MOSCOW, Sep 18 - RIA Novosti. On the functioning of the President of Russia

            I remember I advised you not to poke around in garbage cans? Not? Well then, I advise now. Tea does not live in the Stone Age, the Internet is at hand.
            Ministry of Finance website. Budget 2020. Pages 1900-2000 somewhere in this range there were numbers of costs for Mr. Putin. And RIA Novosti, they are so ... peculiar. They say what is indicated to say, and not what actually is.
            1. Den717 6 March 2020 15: 18 New
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              I remember I advised you not to poke around in garbage cans? Not? Well then, I advise now. Tea does not live in the Stone Age, the Internet is at hand.

              Ehe-heh-heh ... That's always the way ... We found a document, but we don’t know where to look in it. The GDP in it is hidden in the line "President of the Russian Federation". Again, the amount that does not reach even half a billion rubles is very difficult to estimate, not knowing what events and payments are hidden there. To compare this line in the budget list with similar budgets and figures, you need to clearly understand the purpose and content of these figures. In general, RIA, whatever it is, is closer to the truth than you. The personal and the hostile should not obscure the objective, if you want to be heard at least.
              1. Salty 6 March 2020 15: 42 New
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                That's always the way ... We found a document, but we don’t know where to look in it

                Not so it was. Not at all like that:


                And the number is beautiful, and the young man is handsome ... what else does a girl need to unconditionally believe? lol
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                We found a document, but we don’t know where to look in it. The GDP in it is hidden in the line "President of the Russian Federation".

                Oh how. And then the remaining costs to whom we write? On Vasya Pupkina? Or do you think that when the Americans talked about spending on bambam at 1.6 yards, it was understood that he received 200 thousand salaries, and he bought hot dogs for 1.599.800.000 dollars? Nah ... That's exactly what the president’s expenses are considered. And deeply do not care how many days he was in the Konstantinovsky palace or the Volga cliff. 365 or exactly zero. If these objects are waiting for his money, then these are costs for Mr. Putin, and not for anyone else.
                By the way. All the official residences of the USA, Germany, Korea and Japan can be pushed into the Konstantinovsky Palace. Although I'm not sure about the latter. Japan may not have enough space. Are you firmly convinced that Russia is orders of magnitude richer than the United States, Germany, and Korea combined, which could allow it to contain such a residence for its tsar and follow up to two dozen more?
                By the way. Now in the United States howl that the tram flies too much. This is expensive. 30-40 lam for flights. And we can easily write off the administration of the president for 36 yards. Well, yes, we are rich, it is the Americans who have pensioners for 3-4 dollars a day live (after deducting the communal apartment), and not with us.
                Tired of me in general, with your strange twists.
                PS
                In general, you would like to visit dohtura. For fabrications in style are Mr. Putin’s residence, but the cost of maintaining it is not Mr. Putin’s expenses, like Mr. Putin’s plane expenses, it’s just expenses, not Mr. Putin’s expenses, that smacks of mental illness.
                Dixi.
                1. Den717 6 March 2020 18: 24 New
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                  And then the remaining costs to whom we write?

                  You have evidently never seen serious documents in your life. Your views on finances, like mine on ballet, progress is possible, with intensive studies laughing .Anyway. Why do you need it? To carry nonsense a lot of experience is not necessary ...
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                  In general, you would like to visit dohtura.

                  You better take care of yourself. Your bitterness and arrogant rudeness are precisely the symptoms of a life disorder. Okay. Learn Latin, it may come in handy ...
    6. Reptiloid 6 March 2020 16: 09 New
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      And immediately it was said that the benefits of the reform are few, little that it can improve. So why then? On the one hand, 5 years of life were stolen and ~~ 1 million from each. And then it says, like your 5 years of life and 1 million. --- So, some garbage, not really needed.
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      And Mr. Garant was laid down to manage the affairs of Mr. Guarantor in 2020 - 165 billion. Here is a little cut back on Mr. Putin’s “modest” requests, and pension reform is not needed ....
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      "Daughter ahvitser, everything is not clear" laughing I took it and multiplied the real figure by one hundred, and voila, you can scum!
  • Vyacheslav Viktorovich 6 March 2020 06: 06 New
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    In France, they just tried it - they immediately received "yellow vests".
    In Russia, there is the Rosguard for such a case.
  • siberalt 6 March 2020 06: 13 New
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    They robbed fathers and mothers, who all their lives on the state of mantulia and call it savings ?! Extreme cynicism! And this is with a flat scale of income taxes. If such a scale in Germany were there, too, pensioners would be sent to die to save. The state advocates family values ​​and constitutional amendments, declares itself social and fair, and the fact that from now on generations of grandchildren will be left without the care of grandparents, who are forced to earn an extra five years for a piece of bread for the sake of saving oligarch taxes - this is even cool. So what?
    1. Svarog 6 March 2020 07: 36 New
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      Quote: siberalt
      Extreme cynicism! And this is with a flat scale of income taxes. If such a scale in Germany were there, too, pensioners would be sent to die to save. The state stands for family values ​​and constitutional amendments, declares itself social and fair,

      I believe that there’s no longer even cynicism ... but a complete lack of conscience ... and after that, this person, who is the guarantor, as you can trust, already shows hatred of his citizens .. and against this background, he wants to become unreported and rule forever ..
      1. depressant 6 March 2020 09: 55 New
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        Yes, a Svarog colleague, exactly. Is it really about the money that the respected Author so scrupulously calculated? Although in them too. The thing is different. The people say this: I’ve deceived once, only round people will trust you. It turns out that some colleagues, without pointing a finger, urge us to be just that. But we are from a people who are patient, but not ready to be deceived forever. You can tolerate the truth, with deceit - humble yourself, but to a certain point. The ongoing fuss with the Constitution is preparing something for us. Well now - already 900 amendment proposals! Apparently, there will be something worse than the 91st year. And so I think - what? I won’t believe for any kind of carriage that on April 23 all officials, oligarchs and the president suddenly become moral with a wave of a magic wand. However, they can - within the boundaries of the immoral laws and state decisions they created. What is the law, such is the morality of power. And now I have to approve?
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          ! Apparently, there will be something worse than the 91st year.

          And what could be worse than the 91st? Carrying a snowstorm ... From boredom? You CPSU with a single community of the Soviet people were moral? Where did so many billionaires in the 90s get, right after the coup? All your party members, from the Communist Party and the Komsomol ...
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            Where did so many billionaires in the 90s got

            In the 90s there were a maximum of a dozen millionaires. However, over the past 20 years of persistent rowing, this number has increased by more than 10 times with the simultaneous collapse of industry. Who is well done? He is well done)
            1. Den717 8 March 2020 17: 46 New
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              In the 90s there were a maximum of a dozen millionaires.

              To appeal it is necessary not "a maximum of ten", but precisely and by name. Then look from "what edges comrade", then compare with those available today and separate the more or less honest thieves. The collapse of industry is about the same. To analyze the collapse of the 90s, and what was built in the 90s was destroyed in the 2000s. But it is imperative to analyze, for example, how effective AZLK was and is it worth shedding tears for its repose? I think today it’s useless to discuss this topic in the VO bands, because we practically don’t know what we want to discuss. Even those who really worked on the same ZiL hardly can reliably represent the reasons and the depth of the fall of this giant before liquidation. Such topics sometimes do not fit into a hundred volumes of a criminal case, so why comment on them in three lines?
    2. Den717 6 March 2020 16: 10 New
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      They robbed fathers and mothers, who all their lives on the state of mantulia and call it savings ?! Extreme cynicism!

      Our fathers and mothers have long been retired, who are alive. Reform does not change anything for them.
  • Old partisan 6 March 2020 06: 34 New
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    In 1917, liberals were in power from February to October. These are something delayed. Everything goes to that. History does not teach them anything.
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    From the point of view of financiers, the table should have 20 million in the population graph, and the export of raw materials in the graph should show steady growth. Margin will be fire! ...
  • Ryaruav 6 March 2020 06: 37 New
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    they were completely overwhelmed up there, and the guarantor was making a smart face, as he had lied before and is lying now
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    at the expense of 400 thousand Russians who had to delay retirement

    And how many more! Hold up.
    It is about the deterioration of the situation of millions of citizens of our country. Even the constitution does not order to do so.
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    If you raised your retirement age, then you had to make flexible taxation. And talking about flexible taxation, that this will not bring the desired effect, at least silly.
    1. Lannan Shi 6 March 2020 07: 20 New
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      . And talking about flexible taxation, that this will not bring the desired effect, at least stupid.

      You're not right. The purpose of the guarantor, the government and others like them, is to fill pockets, their own, relatives and friends. So explain how well flexible taxation will contribute to this goal? If only a regression scale is entered. With income of 10.000, income is 50%, with income of 10.000.000 0.5%. But it will be difficult.
      1. Svarog 6 March 2020 07: 39 New
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        You're not right. The purpose of the guarantor, the government and others like them, is to fill pockets, their own, relatives and friends.

        I absolutely agree ... now it’s no longer possible not to see .. they don’t even hide it .. they even want to change the Constitution in order to absolve them of responsibility .. they’re robbing already insolent ..
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    Vrotenbergs will be happy ...
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    There are no words! Rather, there are, but banned. I read on Twitter that the same amount was seized from two promoted corruption lieutenant colonels that sounded in the article. And how many people have lost faith in states, the government, and finally justice ?! What currency is it to measure? How many “opponents” came from this “thought-out decision” and how much will they spoil? And the last - who will answer for all this?
    1. depressant 6 March 2020 10: 27 New
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      And there a third person appeared - the friend of Colonel Dmitry Zakharchenko, Colonel Sergei Terentyev. As soon as Zakharchenko was arrested, he threw his mansion for a billion rubles, acquired by excessive labor, including overseeing the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Abkhazia, and fled abroad with his family. And such there - a whole gang, trillions brought abroad. These fruits have been observed already since 2010 and still have not been taken all. And you know how they struggled with the withdrawal of trillions? You will laugh! Nabiullina covered the banks through which the withdrawal was carried out. But in reality it was only an excuse to make a monopolist out of Gref’s Sberbank, to raise the quotes of its shares on international exchanges (the transfer of depositors to Sberbank from sanitized ones). At the same time, the persons involved in the case, one by one, safely ran abroad to the stolen money. And this, instead of taking the whole gang at once for the gills, was nevertheless clear from the very beginning. And imagine, some were sanitized so gently, and those numerous that were in uniform were supposedly not noticed, and everyone was allowed to run away, and trillions continued to flow away. I’m wondering, what’s Kolokoltsev there? Not asked to resign due to shame? There was a rule, according to which the dismissal of a subordinate in disgrace entails the resignation of the entire department head. And here it is.
      And now Nabiullina again zealously undertook to cover small banks, often causing irreparable damage to bona fide investors. On the one hand, increasing the quotes of Sberbank, and on the other ... Trillions are still being withdrawn? And here the Author is talking about some pathetic 20 billion saved on unfortunate retirees.
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    Tatyana, hi First of all, we have problems with the economy — as such, the country has almost none! The same sales of oil and gas, forests, that’s the basis of foreign exchange earnings. And the country needs its own industrial production, its own clothes and shoes, its toys for children, and not Chinese consumer goods, of ugly quality, and dangerous to life and health. The Kremlin’s unwillingness to solve these problems is the reason for the total poverty of the population, hence the meager pensions!
    1. AU Ivanov. 6 March 2020 09: 41 New
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      Industrial production of what? What will not be sold because it is cheaper to buy abroad? How do you imagine that? To set up enterprises that will work in a warehouse without sales? Neither you nor I will buy a domestic product, if it will be cheaper to purchase a foreign analogue.
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        Industrial production of what?

        This thing is fixable wink Sooner or later, all the same, duties will close the domestic market.
      2. Ingvar 72 6 March 2020 11: 30 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        What will not be sold because it is cheaper to buy abroad?

        Andrey, are you married? Wasn't it cheaper to call the girls constantly? wink They will cost a hundred pounds cheaper, with a serious calculation of costs. And the children are so expensive - what a horror! wink
        You do not want to understand one simple thing - the construction of one large plant gives an impetus to the development of many small enterprises. And judging by your opinion, we do not need to produce anything at all.
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          Building a plant is not a thing. The problem is marketing its products. How many such enterprises were opened and closed after a while? Due to the lack of demand for their goods. The same AvtoVAZ, without injections from the budget, would have covered up long ago. Why? And Lada does not roll, compared to foreign cars.
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            The same AvtoVAZ, without injections from the budget, would have covered up long ago.

            VAZ was in debt only for tax deductions. At the same time, he dragged the entire social and cultural life of the Avtozavodsky district of Togliatti. These are kindergartens, dispensaries, palaces of culture and much more. The French shook off all social and cultural life in the municipality, and naturally came out in profit. How do you like these “achievements”?
            And about the "Do not drive Lada in comparison" - compare prices. Now they have reached the level, and the prices have become equal.
            1. AU Ivanov. 6 March 2020 17: 11 New
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              The plant should not be engaged in social and cultural life - this is the task of the state. And the quality of the car, yes, well done, pulled up. I taxied here on Vesta, not yet Toyota, but not Lada anymore - a nice typewriter and stuffed not bad.
  • Strashila 6 March 2020 07: 32 New
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    "saved 21,5 billion rubles," the concept with saved, not paid, that is, stolen from pensioners. In the system of "guaranteed" payments, by definition, there can be no savings, any "savings" is a fraud and fraud on the trust of a citizen, it can be obtained only from a reduction in the financing of the structure that controls these payments.
  • Den717 6 March 2020 08: 05 New
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    And retirement, mind you, is not so scanty, but what is there to be ashamed of - shameful, as in Russia.

    If you are such an advanced specialist in pension systems, then you could take an excursion into the European pension systems - where does the money come from and how are it distributed. And there, by the way, almost half of the pension contribution to the worker is paid by the worker himself from the amount that he receives on hand. And thus, with his money, the employee forms his retirement account. Are we ready to add another 13% to the Pension Fund plus 11% of personal income tax?
    They simply fear to humiliate people as is customary in Russia.

    And how is this customary in Russia? Lowest tax rate? Assignment of duties to collect FIUs to the state and the employer without affecting the real wallet of the future pensioner? Bearing nonsense, without delving into the essence of the matter, is easy, you try to understand at least something in essence. At least go to the Foreign Ministry and ask how the debts are written off to different countries. And there are a lot of interesting details that are not always under the heading of distribution restrictions. Some OBS, honestly. Are you actually a specialist? If you are not a journalist, then excuse me, I am not at the address ... And if you are earning a living from this, and even studied for it in a specialized institution, then you should be ashamed, and I am bitter for the level of our journalism ...
    1. depressant 6 March 2020 10: 56 New
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      Den, Den, Den ...
      It’s time to introduce ourselves - who are you? And what is your education? You see, shocked by the level of your competencies, we together, in awe, will make your multi-wise special knixsen in the “ku” format.
      After all, you also stuck to me on a previous topic - they say who she is. I assure you that I have a cool education that allows me to draw conclusions on the basis of the obtained analytical capabilities, based on the fact that the media bring the population to the public. And if you are unhappy with Tatyana’s article, --- claims to the official media, and not to her.
      In addition, more than once or twice at the HE forums, the features of the European pension system were discussed, including the feature you mentioned that does not justify the government’s atrocity against the people of Russia. Poke around in past topics! I believe you will find a lot of interesting things for yourself.
      And so, excuse me, the VO Administration did not provide for access to statements in accordance with the competence of the indignant.
  • nikvic46 6 March 2020 08: 05 New
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    Now some commentators have started talking about some two systems. The system is one, the approaches are different. Why did they unanimously reject the proposal for a ban on holding posts if there is capital abroad? When I discuss the article in the Constitution, I ask you to read the article in the Communist Party about the city of Rzhev today.
  • Shadow041 6 March 2020 08: 09 New
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    You need to save money not on pensions, but on ineffective patients with Russophobia, redhead managers and parasites sleeping in the State Duma
  • Amur 6 March 2020 08: 31 New
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    When yes, having already collapsed all that is possible in the country of Kudro-gaydo-forever, the leaders shut up and go on a well-deserved rest?
    Put them in a place with relatives for a minimum pension, you might think ...
  • Jcvai 6 March 2020 08: 59 New
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    Quote: Den717
    Assignment of duties to collect FIUs to the state and the employer without affecting the real wallet of the future pensioner

    I suppose a little confusion: the current bourgeois system with the previous socialist one. Even 30 years ago - yes, the pension was provided by the state and the structures under its control without "getting into the future pensioner's wallet." And now, all these 30 +% deductions a specific employer takes from the salary of a particular employee. And this is not mentioning all sorts of 20% VAT, "tax on discs" and so on.
  • Maxim364364 6 March 2020 09: 06 New
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    If I’m not mistaken, I found two more colonels and a tax officer, was the game worth the candle? It’s easier once a year to arrest five colonels, and since there are a lot of them, the replenishment of the budget will be stable and long.
  • knn54 6 March 2020 09: 18 New
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    -This is a lot or a little.
    It's like with hairs: a couple / three on the head is not enough, but in the soup, a lot.
    - WHICH CURRENCY WILL WE COUNT?
    In SKZh-freely convertible liquid.
    EACH government strives to get deeper into the pockets of ordinary citizens. Recently, what is disgusting, a blow to retirees.
  • vladimirvn 6 March 2020 09: 43 New
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    Strain your brains and think about how to replenish the state budget, they are too lazy, and there is not enough drag. There is always a stock option with a meek population that can be ripped off indefinitely. I suggest that on May 1, everyone go out to the demonstration with the appropriate slogans and assert their rights.
  • gv2000 6 March 2020 10: 00 New
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    So I think to go to the vote, or not. In principle, there are 2 options: to go and vote “against”, or not to go at all.
    In favor of “not going,” says the authorities’s activity in securing turnout. Those. as a result, they are sure to ensure legitimacy. And against the "go and vote against" says the same confidence of the authorities as a result of the vote.
    I do not consider the option “For”, because I am sure that there will be nothing good as a result of these amendments. It will be as always. They are already trying to smuggle along with matured and necessary completely unacceptable. The mere declaration of children as state property already speaks of true goals.
  • Kito 6 March 2020 10: 18 New
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    Read the news: Coronovirus, as scientists have found, causes death mainly in people over 65. Not a virus, but just a dream of the Pension Fund!
  • igorra 6 March 2020 11: 50 New
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    It seems that Medvedev’s government was preparing a reform, the government was dismissed as having gone wrong with its duties, which means pension reform is not an ice either. So where is the logic?
  • prior 6 March 2020 12: 07 New
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    I want to catch the Golden Fish and ask her to grant a pension of 15 rubles to all these guardians of the welfare of the people and pensioners - the president, prime minister, ministers, deputies, senators, officials from the Pension Fund and personally Alexei Kudrin.
    After all, God created all people equal ?!
  • TANKISTONE 6 March 2020 13: 16 New
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    In Germany or Sweden, in order to encourage an already established pensioner not to rush to quit their job, they are ready to add 12-15, or even 20 percent, to their pension for each year of processing. As a result, in five years, the same ones who have added to our retirement age, a Swede or a German can even receive a doubled pension. And retirement, mind you, is not so scanty, but what is shy there - shameful, as in Russia.

    Stop telling tales of prosperous Western retirees! Read here links:
    Many Germans are unable to pay electricity bills https://germania.one/mnogie-nemcy-nesposobny-oplatit-scheta-za-jelektrojenergiju/#news
    Poverty in Germany: how pensioners live on the social bottom of society https://germania.one/bednost-v-germanii-kak-zhivut-pensionery-na-socialnom-dne-obshhestva/
    Poverty in Germany: 45% of retirees cannot pay their bills https://germania.one/bednost-v-germanii-45-pensionerov-ne-mogut-oplachivat-svoi-scheta/#news
    Tafel head sounds alarm: more people are turning for help https://germania.one/glava-tafel-bet-trevogu-vse-bolshe-ljudej-obrashhajutsja-za-pomoshhju/#news
    Tax reality: how the state strips pensioners https://germania.one/nalogovaja-realnost-kak-gosudarstvo-obdiraet-pensionerov/#news
    Cherry on the cake - how many really wealthy pensioners: Germany's richest retirees receive more than € 2500 https://germania.one/samye-bogatye-pensionery-germanii-poluchajut-bolshe-e2500/
    1. depressant 6 March 2020 16: 31 New
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      A colleague, in your opinion, it turns out that if their retirees feel bad, then ours should be even worse. So what? But how they, apparently, rejoiced that the USSR was destroyed. The wall of Berlin was broken! When the USSR was alive, their rich were forced to reach out to our social network, to make concessions to their hard workers and retirees. And now - everything! Lafa is over. This, by the way, and under their current retirees, the best state in the world fell under pressure.
      1. TANKISTONE 7 March 2020 22: 29 New
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        Dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I only shared what I knew.
        do you think
        In my opinion - I do not care about German pensioners in particular, and European in general! (although a beggarly pension awaits me - this is my choice). I am sorry for those who worked in the USSR that now the states of the former republics do not want to ensure a decent old age for these people ...
        But how they, apparently, rejoiced that the USSR was destroyed
        Not everyone was happy, not everyone is happy today.
        WITH YOUR HOLIDAY, LUDMILA YAKOVLEVNA!
  • 16112014nk 6 March 2020 17: 03 New
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    To give the cow more milk ...

    So that the cow does not give a hoof in the forehead, a helmet is needed (Rosguard).
  • fa2998 6 March 2020 20: 21 New
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    Such a sum could be found with a couple of colonels in garages. I’m not talking about multi-star generals, with “honest” officials and their mother-in-law. lol lol hi
  • Quasipatriot 8 March 2020 10: 01 New
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    There is money in the country. The state itself plans to buy Sberbank for money from the National Wealth Fund. The deal is estimated at 2.8 billion rubles. Although this fund itself was created for the pension provision of citizens. So it turns out that there is money, but not for senior citizens. And for the one whom the state considers to be better people than pensioners. This is all you need to know about the attitude of government officials (which cannot be criticized) towards retirees. But Russia will win! Putin is with us!
  • andrei2911 8 March 2020 11: 28 New
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    In Russia there is no pension fund in its classical sense. The FIU does not accumulate and invest money; it stupidly redistributes budget funds. It can be eliminated and saves 50 billion a year.
  • onix757 8 March 2020 15: 02 New
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    Most people are not fools. The question of turnout (ligidity) is the cornerstone for ↑
  • About 2 10 March 2020 02: 54 New
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    Poky adventure of Putin and his government together
    with one.