"Panovye officers": the Armed Forces of Ukraine are forced to actively call on "jackets"


Colonel Sergey Volkov, head of the department for staffing the staff of the Armed Forces Command of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces, who made a commotion in the “uproar” statement about the upcoming call to the army ranks of graduates of civilian military universities who had not previously served (often called “jackets” in the military environment) and natural. And what else should be done in a country where the system of training command personnel has been destroyed to the ground and, it seems, cannot be restored?


Before proceeding to consider the current state of military education in Ukraine, it should be remembered what inheritance the republic received from the Soviet Union in this area.

Kiev Higher Naval Political School was liquidated in 1995. Kiev Higher Military aviation Engineering College closed in 2000. Kiev Higher Engineering Radio Engineering School of Air Defense liquidated in 1999. Sumy Higher Artillery Command School was disbanded in 2007. The Chernihiv Higher Military Aviation School of Pilots was disbanded in 1995. Kiev Higher tank College of Engineering was liquidated in 1999.

This list could be continued, but let us dwell on the examples given. However, here is another one on which the evil fate of almost all the military schools is perfectly visible: the Kharkov Guards Higher Tank Command School was reorganized in 1997 into the Kharkov Institute of Tank Forces named after Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, and in 2007 it was transformed into the faculty of military training of the National University "Kharkov Polytechnic Institute." In 2017, however, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine by its resolution approved the creation of the Institute of Tank Forces on its basis.

It is clear that after such perturbations, practically nothing was left of either the material base or the teaching staff. In fact, all significant military educational institutions of Ukraine today are either the fruit of repeated “reformatting,” “reforming” and “merging” of the remnants of various military universities of the Soviet era (the Academy of Ground Forces named after Hetman Petr Sagaidachny, the former Lviv Higher Military Political School or Kharkov National Air University forces named after Ivan Kozhedub, replacing 2 military academies and 9 higher military schools), or military departments of civilian universities, “sprouted” to independent status. Such is the origin of the Poltava Military Institute of Telecommunications and Informatization of the State University of Telecommunications or the Odessa Military Academy, as well as a number of others, with a smaller caliber. Well, the main name is to give a loud ...

In fact, the real potential of all these academies, military universities and the like, sorry for the expression, sharashkin offices is approximately zero. Graduates of completely civilian universities are being dragged into the Ukraine today solely because there is simply no one physically appointed to command posts at the platoon-company level! None of the young people categorically wants to go to study in military specialties: in 2015, one of the Ukrainian Internet portals proudly told that 12% of respondents called the “prestigious” military service during the survey. The desire to become officers among the inhabitants of Ukraine after the outbreak of the war in the Donbass was especially reduced. Guaranteed to get to the forefront they do not want.

Moreover, another problem arises. The only cadres who, with a sin in half, can at least teach something in the military education system, are specialists from Soviet hardening and Soviet training. They are completely out of the question for the armed forces of Ukraine desperately aspiring to NATO. But there are simply no others, and there is nowhere to take them from. Visiting instructors and mentors from the same North Atlantic Alliance are “imprisoned” for training maximum sergeants. They don’t understand at all, in Ukraine, the current system of army building with an abundance of officer posts, which also have no one to fill. Why Ukraine need pilots, if they have nothing to fly? Why naval officers, if her “navy” causes either a homeric laugh or squeamish pity - depending on temperament?

In this regard, by the way, one should not even try to compare the military education systems of Ukraine and Russia - they are completely incomparable, like two completely different realities. One of the most advanced and strongest armies in the world and a formation led from abroad, waging war against its own people, cannot be compared. Overseas partners confidently lead the Armed Forces of Ukraine to reform to the level of a "funny army", fully trained in ceremonial, security functions and punitive operations. Another "banana republic" and that will be enough. In the meantime, graduates of military departments can also be used as cannon fodder.
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  1. Mavrikiy 5 March 2020 15: 32 New
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    “Panov officers” - does not sound. "Panovy generals", oh, good! Each jacket is a ready-made general.
    1. Sarmat Sanych 5 March 2020 15: 49 New
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      And what’s there to watch, RagulSMI daily issue planned 100500 messages about "now Putin will definitely attack!", While the ukrovoyaki are still scattering. Sharovarny kaganate cannot exist without hatred and an imaginary enemy on the doorstep: in this case there is nothing to explain to the Selyaks today's total, hopeless zizdets and degradation.
      1. Zoldat_A 5 March 2020 16: 12 New
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        Quote: Sarmat Sanych
        RagulSMI daily give out planned 100500 messages about "now Putin is sure to attack!", while the ukrovoyaki are still scattering.

        1. Sarmat Sanych 5 March 2020 16: 20 New
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          Use and Bulogood! They live on the "planet Ukraine", in
          which "the most intimate army in the continent is holding back the hordes of moxhe-Chechen-Buryat." Or delirium tremenslaughing. Although one does not interfere with the other, but complements.
          1. Zoldat_A 5 March 2020 16: 39 New
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            Quote: Sarmat Sanych
            They live on the "planet Ukraine"


            And then the globe is now with a hole in the place of Donbass.
            1. Sarmat Sanych 6 March 2020 00: 44 New
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              Guide card! Hohlumbiya ponaduse! And there is a noble life, the merciless peoplegood
    2. TermNachTer 5 March 2020 19: 44 New
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      To my godfather, a graduate of the military department of the Zaporizhzhya “typewriter,” 10 times came, although he has long been living in Russia and has Russian citizenship.
  2. The leader of the Redskins 5 March 2020 15: 33 New
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    Well, this author has exaggerated ... As I understand it, the “failure” turned out just because of the events from the 14th year. It wasn’t prestigious to be military then, and those who graduated from VU were immediately molted onto a civilian. Now according to my personal data, the situation is leveling out. Where does the data come from? From Kharkov! The son of a colleague graduates from the cadet school (or whatever they have now) and went straight to the institute of ground forces. And going to serve in the army, and to fight, if that ...
    According to a colleague, patriotic youth is thinking of returning to the profession to defend their homeland. There is a competition for places.
    With the rank and file worse. This is recognized by everyone!
    1. alavrin 5 March 2020 15: 36 New
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      Who are the patriotic youth? Those who rename the streets in honor of Nazi collaborators? This is not a run over, I am interested in the essence of their patriotism.
      1. Alexander Suvorov 5 March 2020 15: 44 New
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        alavrin (alex)
        Who are the patriotic youth? Those who rename the streets in honor of Nazi collaborators? This is not a run over, I am interested in the essence of their patriotism.
        Do not try to understand the dill, or else God forbid, understand.
      2. Honest Citizen 5 March 2020 15: 52 New
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        This is not a run over, I am interested in the essence of their patriotism.

        Allow, I will try to answer.
        What is or rather who is a patriot? This is a man who wishes the country well and, in the event of military aggression against the Motherland, is ready to go and fight for its independence and sacrifice its life for independence.
        The whole question is that in Ukraine, patriotism grew up in the fertilized field of banditry and Shukhevych. Those. motivated by Nazism. From this point of view, Ukrainian patriotism is unacceptable to us, since we all have the same reaction to the word "fascist".
        Now let's see what is happening in Ukraine. There the brain was so brainwashed by propaganda that Russia was an aggressor that they did not even question this issue. The reasonable arguments voiced by Russia and its individual representatives, a priori, are perceived as knowingly false. From here they just hate us.
        In terms of brainwashing - I just applaud those who developed such a program.
        From the point of view of a citizen of Russia, I sincerely do not understand HOW you can elevate frank fascists to the rank of heroes.
        That is the whole point of their patriotism. Defend the Motherland under the flag of Bandera from the Russians.
      3. The leader of the Redskins 5 March 2020 15: 56 New
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        Excuse me, callo-laborers? And who are you so ranked? If Bandera, then he, in my understanding, is a criminal. But ... Read my article about a visit to Kiev in January this year. As a bonus I will post a photo taken by me at the same time at the metro station "Independence Square"
        1. Alexander Suvorov 5 March 2020 16: 09 New
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          Listen, you are already sick of this picture. Found one of the few not yet destroyed bas-reliefs and rush with it throughout the VO. I dig up for you in five minutes with a couple of hundred destroyed monuments, what will we measure? What do you rush about with this photo as a chem with a strainer? Or torchlight processions in the center of Kuev on Mosfilm filmed in the pavilion?
          We have all understood that you are a patriot of Ukraine, but I don’t understand one thing, since you are such a gorgeous dill, what have you forgotten here in Russia? Why not in Ukraine? All the right ukropatrioty must be in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, otherwise you are not right.
          1. The leader of the Redskins 5 March 2020 16: 42 New
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            I specifically keep these photos so that such "irreconcilable fighters" would show for their own fantasies. Usually, for people like you, there are no arguments other than "minuses" and individual kinks in places. So they use the chants from Kiselyov TV. By the way, were you in other uniforms? Or moderators are also rude? So it's painful ...
          2. The leader of the Redskins 5 March 2020 17: 17 New
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            And let's face it! You dig up the monuments of the Second World War destroyed, I saved. Who is bigger? Well, what about me ... You’re a Stalinist, like, but in March you don’t die for some reason .. It’s also not right!
          3. 30143 5 March 2020 20: 03 New
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            Dear Alexander Suvorov! You know and understand nothing, but undertake to criticize a person. So, I’ll tell you and your files will be corroded: indeed, in Kiev in parallel there exist both symbols of the Soviet Union and national / nationalist / Bandera, etc. .... But you don’t understand this. It’s the same as a monument to Zhukov would stand on Vlasov Square.
            This is the difference between the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Gradually came to what Zelensky said - each region has its own heroes! And the point. And from the fact that you do not write here, nothing will change. Instead of listening to the opinion of the Leader of the Redskins, church him. Do not like it, do not comment.
            1. Vlad5307 5 March 2020 20: 56 New
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              At this pace, horns and legs will soon remain from the outskirts, normal people cannot live in peace and support the ukronatsiks - that means they need to split up, then maybe in the future it will be possible to unite again. In the meantime, some are suppressing others, and, I hope, the smaller part is large, alas!
            2. Tatyana Pershina 6 March 2020 03: 22 New
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              "... each region has its own heroes!"
              Then these are not regions, but different countries. Want to split your nenka into different countries?
        2. alavrin 5 March 2020 16: 09 New
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          Bandera is a separate line. And about collaborators, offhand: Averky Goncharenko, - SS Hauptsturmfuhrer "Galichina". The streets and the plaque in his honor in Tulchin, Shukhevych - in 1942, the deputy commander 201-schutzmanshaft. Well, there are so many monuments erected to this - you know ..., Sidor, Lipa, Kubiyvoich - their name is Legion.
          1. The leader of the Redskins 5 March 2020 16: 25 New
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            Sorry, but I was not in Tulchin. So do not know ... And what I saw with my own eyes, laid out. Well, do not pay attention to some of our radical participants - these are my "personal minusers". They are from the category of "... God's dew"!)))
            1. alavrin 5 March 2020 16: 35 New
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              On the Web, there is a photo from Tulchin, by the way, in the photo it is precisely “young patriots”. You can dig dozens of testimonies yourself, at least for the latest characters. Sidor, from the Nachtigal battalion, is a monument and a street in his native village, etc. etc...
              1. The leader of the Redskins 5 March 2020 16: 38 New
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                I'm not interested. I have a father in Ukraine, childhood comrades, colleagues. And the most interesting thing is that all are adequate people.
                1. tihonmarine 5 March 2020 17: 56 New
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                  Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                  I have a father in Ukraine, childhood comrades, colleagues. And the most interesting thing is that all are adequate people.

                  They just hinted at something good to say about Ukraine, they immediately minus it, and not you alone. And how, after this, Ukrainians and other nations will respect and treat such minusers well, when they are all written down as enemies. Now the minusers will go for me too, especially since I also live in the Baltic states.
                  1. And I’m already used to it somehow ... I even suspect some of the "personal" ones in permanence. But in Ukraine everyone treats us ... But, you will not believe it, it is normal for ordinary people, even sympathetic to those who are considered intoxicated. Another thing is for those who lit up in the Donbass ....
                  2. 30143 5 March 2020 20: 06 New
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                    Yes, purple. Just do not notice.
        3. The leader of the Redskins 5 March 2020 16: 51 New
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          So I think the "minus" and I think. Does this bas-relief design "irreconcilable" do not like, or that its presence does not coincide with their theory? And interestingly, no one is surprised, doesn’t write “modders ... not everyone forgot” ...
          1. Varyag_0711 5 March 2020 17: 03 New
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            Chief of the Redskins (Nazarius)
            I think the "minus"
            Well, mine at the same time count.
            "implacable"
            And with whom are you trying to reconcile us? We kind of didn’t declare war on Ukraine yet, or did I miss something? And it’s useless to reconcile me with Bandera.
            And interestingly, no one is surprised, doesn’t write “modders ... not everyone forgot” ...
            What did not everyone forget? Tear down this bas-relief?
            It would be possible to write that the fellows did not forget everything, if there were a bunch of flowers at this bas-relief, well, or the lamps were on. And so, they simply forgot to demolish it, but thanks to you, they will definitely remember and correct the situation.
            So your minuses are well deserved.
            1. The leader of the Redskins 5 March 2020 17: 12 New
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              Icon lamps and flowers on rails in the subway? !!! I shot it while standing on the platform! A bas-relief on the wall through the rails !!!
              And the implacable is me to my opponent. He wrote me down in Bandera a long time ago and cannot possibly realize that what he specifically seeks out on the Internet is only his consciousness that sends him. I write and post what I see. And those like him, what they dig!
            2. Avior 5 March 2020 18: 26 New
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              . And so, they simply forgot to demolish it, but thanks to you, they will definitely remember and correct the situation. .

              Here you are, perhaps, exaggerating.
              Monuments associated with the Second World War, do not fall under decommunization in Ukraine, they are not demolished.
              Stand still, do not touch
              If there are any cases, then these are really separate some isolated cases.
              And so on the spot, the state is maintained in general

              hi
              1. Gato 6 March 2020 09: 45 New
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                And so on the spot, the state is maintained in general

                Raguli Vyatrovich’s “Motherland” in Kiev has long been trying to remake or demolish. But, as always, there weren’t enough pennies. The maximum that they did was put a moronic wreath on her head. And after the Carpathian rock climber came up from there (in 2016, it seems), they generally left alone. Raguli - they are superstitious.
                1. Avior 6 March 2020 16: 05 New
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                  Yes, they tried
                  Nevertheless, it stands still, in good condition, well-groomed.
          2. gurzuf 5 March 2020 18: 12 New
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            Minus for one reason - I also have friends and colleagues living in the current Ukraine, and I myself (until 2014) lived in Ukraine and I remember how after the 91st year there were polls on whether you will fight against Russia, yes and a circular saying that those who wish can change their nationality.
      4. Gato 5 March 2020 16: 01 New
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        Quote: alavrin
        the essence of their patriotism

        The essence of their patriotism in hatred of Russia and all Russian. And the fact that the country is under external control is quite suitable for them
      5. businessv 5 March 2020 17: 03 New
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        Quote: alavrin
        Who are the patriotic youth? Those who rename the streets in honor of Nazi collaborators? This is not a run over, I am interested in the essence of their patriotism.

        Unfortunately, colleague, during these almost 6 years of the war, many, even mature people have changed their worldview due to the constant information background from all the broadcasting devices in which the civil war is called occupation, the LDNR police - the militants of Moscow, Russia - the aggressor. The infamous libel is constantly broadcast on Russian statesmen, etc. the delights of the information war, in which Russia loses because it does not have the tools to conduct it on the territory of the territory that is independent. This certainly has an impact primarily on young minds who have blocked direct access to Russia's information channels. but then there is an overabundance of Ukrainian handicrafts of brainwaves, the substitution of concepts, its own Ragulian interpretation of history, including a joint one. That's essentially the whole answer, colleague.
        1. tihonmarine 5 March 2020 17: 44 New
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          Quote: businessv
          Unfortunately, colleague, during these almost 6 years of the war, many, even mature people have changed their worldview due to the constant information background from all the broadcasting devices in which the civil war is called occupation, the LDNR police are militants in Moscow

          For 6 years, a lot of water has flowed, during this time you can turn your brains on everyone thanks to powerful media, and even more so for children. Yes, and our media do not help to understand reality, but kerosene is splashing into the fire.
      6. tihonmarine 5 March 2020 18: 20 New
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        Who are the patriotic youth? Those who rename the streets in honor of Nazi collaborators?

        Everything was turned upside down. Heroes became enemies, and enemies became heroes, and this process only intensifies. So that in the next 50 years, no changes will occur.
    2. matross 5 March 2020 16: 10 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      With the rank and file worse. This is recognized by everyone!

      "Patriotic" youth is not enough? Discharges from the call? Ay-yay, we still badly educate our youth, you understand (s)
      And the offspring of a colleague was holding a flag in his hands and a trident in the ass, in the trenches in the Donbass he was already waiting for him. Happy recycling him.
    3. TermNachTer 5 March 2020 19: 48 New
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      Do not tell my slippers, in Poland you can earn more without any risk to health and life. Young officers are now more afraid not of the evil Buryat cavalrymen in the Donbass, but of their subordinates. Drunkards, drug addicts, former convicts, etc. Ukros is a sedimentation tank for all indecency. So they want war, because when the war ends they will be thrown out into the street, and they don’t know how and do not want to.
    4. ccsr 5 March 2020 21: 10 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      According to a colleague, patriotic youth is thinking of returning to the profession to defend their homeland. There is a competition for places.

      The son of my friend, who lives in the Ukrainian capital, graduated from the Kiev Polytechnic with a degree in programming, worked for several years in Kiev, and on the eve of Independence Square he left for Canada to work there as a winter sports instructor. Now he has received Canadian citizenship and hell he will ever return to Ukraine, because his father himself forbade him to return while the war is on. Therefore, about patriotism, you tell those who do not know the situation in Ukraine, and I communicate with some of my friends living in Kiev, and in their opinion they have a complete zh.p.
      As for military schools, that is, in Kiev, one that has an ancient history that began in the 19th century, and which A.I.Denikin graduated from, and which Bulgakov mentions in a famous novel and which was not destroyed by svidomye - here it is

      And here is his banner, which was taught during its formation in Soviet times and exported to Moscow, after a new banner was received back in Soviet times:
      1. Gato 6 March 2020 10: 07 New
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        Therefore, about patriotism, you tell those who do not know the situation in Ukraine, and I communicate with some of my friends living in Kiev, and in their opinion they have a complete train

        I live in Kiev. As for the body you mentioned - in Kiev it’s not quite yet, but beyond the District - in all its glory.
        As for "patriotism": even if it was, then after receiving the summons from the military registration and enlistment office, it immediately goes into a deep ... abyss. There really are contests for military specialties - but nothing to do with patriotism. It’s just that it’s easier to enter the budget there, they are guaranteed not to be taken to the APU as ordinary meat, and after 5-6 years of study, the war may already end. Something like this
  3. Igoresha 5 March 2020 15: 33 New
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    to my friend who is the same jacket in stock 4 times called from the military registration and enlistment office in '14 so that he appeared to protect Nenko from the aggressor, each time they received an answer - is there martial law in the country? no? move on
  4. Thrifty 5 March 2020 15: 35 New
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    The collapse of the army, which lasted for years in Ukraine, was repeated by us with the musk of a taburetkin, he was lost by propodom! How many military schools closed how many units disbanded! The worst thing is these similar entities, laden with a thirst to destroy, under the gravy of reform.
    1. Souchastnik 5 March 2020 15: 52 New
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      How many military schools closed how many units disbanded!

      An extensive list of schools killed by Serdyukov can also be rolled out in Russia in Russia. Hence the lack of flight personnel in the aerospace forces. I think other types of aircraft have about the same situation. We all laugh at our neighbors, but we have about the same thing. And in the near future, the queues of people who want to go to serve in the army, it seems, are not expected.
    2. tihonmarine 5 March 2020 17: 36 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      The worst thing is these similar entities, laden with a thirst to destroy, under the gravy of reform.

      It seems that this "stool" or a client of "House No. 6", or "mishandled Cossack"
  5. Lord of the Sith 5 March 2020 15: 44 New
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    In Donbass, sergeants and officers are trained in the departments with might and main, even in those universities where there were no military men. And a lot of people go to school after studying.
  6. knn54 5 March 2020 15: 48 New
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    The list goes on and on - the Govorov Air Defense Academy, the Krylov Missile School.
    The former "fire", now the Ministry of Emergencies, is being held. Due to, including cadets from the CIS.
    The top of "excellence" is the presence in the university of state employees and contractors. Like a "citizen".
    A lot of officers leave the army. Succession is lost, and therefore the low level of training.
  7. anjey 5 March 2020 16: 13 New
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    In this regard, by the way, one should not even try to compare the military education systems of Ukraine and Russia - they are completely incomparable, like two completely different realities.
    It sounds encouraging if you still do not remember Serdyukovskaya optimization and tear apart the university in Russia .....
    1. businessv 5 March 2020 17: 18 New
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      Quote: anjey
      It sounds encouraging if you still do not remember Serdyukovskaya optimization and tear apart the university in Russia .....

      Everything is in order in Sevastopol, thank God - they restored the Nakhimovskoye school, opened the Presidential Cadet School, the Black Sea Higher Naval School is working!
      1. Serg65 6 March 2020 08: 38 New
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        Quote: businessv
        restored Nakhimovskoe, opened the Presidential Cadet School, the Black Sea Higher Naval School operates!

        what Nakhimovskoe and the Black Sea are two different planets?
        1. businessv 6 March 2020 15: 37 New
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          Quote: Serg65
          Nakhimovskoe and the Black Sea are two different planets?

          These are not planets, but two different educational institutions, my witty friend! Higher Black Sea Naval School named after Admiral P.S. Nakhimov and Nakhimov School for pupils i.e. teens. I hope you know the difference between higher and secondary specialized education.
    2. tihonmarine 5 March 2020 17: 32 New
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      Quote: anjey
      It sounds encouraging if you still do not recall Serdyukovskaya optimization and tear apart the university in Russia itself.

      Serdyukov went to schools as a topmanager across the field with a scythe.
  8. Cut Samshitov 5 March 2020 17: 04 New
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    The most "ardent patriots" were prepared by the Lviv military - political. These guys have not gone anywhere. Those who are on the outskirts - essesno in the embroideries and against the Muscovites. Who brought in Russia-those for Russia. So amid the restoration of GlavPur there is nothing to giggle over the Ukrainians.
    1. Serg65 6 March 2020 08: 43 New
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      The most "ardent patriots" were prepared by the Lviv military - political

      These back in the late 80s, they campaigned for independence!
      1. Cut Samshitov 6 March 2020 08: 50 New
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        Quote: Serg65
        Quote: Cut Samshitov
        The most "ardent patriots" were prepared by the Lviv military - political

        These back in the late 80s, they campaigned for independence!

        Yes, they are all one ointment of myrrh. Suffice it to recall the political ... girl with low social. responsibility of Dmitry Volkogonov - disgraced the shoulder straps of the Colonel-General.
        1. Serg65 6 March 2020 09: 08 New
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          Yes, they are all one ointment myrrh

          That’s for sure, the politicians and agitators were the first to show middle finger to communism!
          1. ccsr 6 March 2020 13: 09 New
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            Quote: Serg65
            That’s for sure, the politicians and agitators were the first to show middle finger to communism!

            Well, not all, so do not cut them under one comb. At our place, the head of the political department of the GSVG basically refused to go to serve in Moscow as a "tutor" in the commander in chief of the Ground Forces, and at the farewell meeting of officers he said bluntly: "I have been a political worker all my life, I will remain a political worker and will not give up my principles for the sake of a career." After that, all the officers respected him, although some non-political workers, as soon as the collapse smelled, immediately began to recall their nationalities, which showed their essence and party convictions.
            1. Serg65 6 March 2020 13: 13 New
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              Well, not all

              I agree, there were white crows among black scavengers!
    2. ccsr 6 March 2020 20: 21 New
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      The most "ardent patriots" were prepared by the Lviv military - political.

      As far as I remember, in Soviet times, political workers were trained there for club work, journalism and military history. Although probably other specialists were released there, but it was not specific, that's for sure. So what about the "fiery patriots" I don’t believe much - most likely there were more opportunists than among graduates of other political schools. Although I do not have statistics, I can be wrong, and then let someone correct me.
  9. rotkiv04 5 March 2020 17: 23 New
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    And the Pan Govnokomanduychyy commands these misters
  10. tihonmarine 5 March 2020 17: 28 New
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    Kiev Higher Naval Political School was liquidated in 1995. Kiev Higher Military Aviation Engineering School was closed in 2000. Kiev Higher Engineering Radio Engineering School of Air Defense liquidated in 1999. Sumy Higher Artillery Command School was disbanded in 2007. The Chernihiv Higher Military Aviation School of Pilots was disbanded in 1995. Kiev Higher Tank Engineering School liquidated in 1999
    Of course, a lot has been lost, but these schools trained officers for the entire USSR. For Ukraine, these schools were "over the head." And how many schools have ceased to exist after the collapse in Russia?
    1. Tank jacket 5 March 2020 23: 04 New
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      Let me ask you, but in military universities they teach hybrid wars, otherwise the USSR with its army and schools collapsed?
    2. Serg65 6 March 2020 08: 45 New
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      these schools trained officers for the entire USSR. For Ukraine, these schools were "over the head." And how many schools have ceased to exist after the collapse in Russia?

      Those. Did Russia remain within the USSR?
      1. tihonmarine 6 March 2020 09: 19 New
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        Those. Did Russia remain within the USSR?
        During the Soviet Union, the length of the state border was 67 thousand kilometers.
        Of these, 20 thousand kilometers were in its land area and 47 thousand kilometers were the water border.
        After the collapse of the USSR, the total length of the state border of Russia slightly decreased and amounts to about 60 thousand km.
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          During the Soviet Union, the length of the state border was 67 thousand kilometers.

          Oh, how interesting!
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          Of these, 20 thousand kilometers were in its land area and 47 thousand kilometers were the water border.

          Valera, well, for a long time it was already possible to understand that letters and numbers do not impress me bully . This means that the territory of Russia in the 91st year was reduced by 7,3 square meters. million kilometers, 7,3 million Valera! The number of the Soviet Army and Navy for 1991 is 3 million 400 thousand people! The number of armed forces of the Russian Federation for 2017 is 1 million 903 thousand people, i.e. the difference is 2,5 million people .... but it’s in your opinion garbage ... you still need to have THOUSAND military schools !!! Is not it?
  11. Ros 56 5 March 2020 18: 20 New
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    C'mon, which officers, long ago in Russia, who had lost their qualifications long ago, otherwise in the Donbass they would not gurgle in boilers and what do they expect from spinjacks? What their striped teach, rodents have already been taught, yeah. Well, how much can you test the patience of a Russian peasant or have you not taught history?
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    In my time, an SA officer, guys * from a plow *, were also enough. By the way, they are technically very competent. Five people have come from Baumansky. Heady, but the fact that drill is weak is two months.
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    Apparently engineers, builders and doctors in civilian life have nothing to do. Will be used as meat. Jackets, save yourself! They are going to dispose of you.
  14. Sailor 5 March 2020 20: 42 New
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    And what!, We better chtoli "stool in a jacket" more schools destroyed than during the entire formation of Soviet power in 1917. and before he came to "power."
  15. Lptsk 5 March 2020 21: 43 New
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    Is the Kiev police officer left? There were times, a slab for girls was cut with them.
  16. Tank jacket 5 March 2020 23: 16 New
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    A question to all of you lovers of tank battles: Why did the USSR lose in the Cold Hybrid War with so many military universities and the army and navy who knew the joy of Victory?
    1. Crimean partisan 1974 6 March 2020 08: 03 New
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      Why did the USSR lose the Cold Hybrid War with so many military Universities in the army and navy, who knew the joy of Victory? ...... it’s simple, the inhabitants of the whole world had to be fed less for free, and before boarding, this goes on, nothing you’ll write, our soul is like that, along with mother’s milk it’s absorbed and no genetic engineering can fix it
    2. Serg65 6 March 2020 09: 03 New
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      They taught a tank cast to Lisbon, and they had to learn guerrilla operations in the Putivl area bully
      1. Tank jacket 6 March 2020 09: 07 New
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        I appreciate your humor fellow
      2. ccsr 6 March 2020 13: 18 New
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        They taught a tank throw to Lisbon,

        There was no such thing - we would have destroyed them without tank throws.
        1. Serg65 6 March 2020 13: 33 New
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          There was no such

          Well, if not, then the 20th Guards. there was no combined arms army!
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            Well, if not, then the 20th Guards. there was no combined arms army!

            There were five of our armies, including two armored ones, but this does not mean that having nuclear potential, we should have fought conventional forces with NATO. Well, we did not consider the march of throws during the exercises - all FKSHU and KSHI began with a reflection of aggression, and this already says everything.
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              all FKSHU and KSHI began with a reflection of aggression, and this already speaks about everything.

              what And why then were the Americans going to mine the Fulda corridor with nuclear mines? Well, if we were only going to defend ourselves! And why the 8th Guards. army was ordered to force this same corridor?
              what Have you been a member of the FCSU in the field or at headquarters?
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                And why then were the Americans going to mine the Fulda corridor with nuclear mines?

                This program was curtailed in the sixties, I did not find it.
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                And why the 8th Guards. army was ordered to force this same corridor?

                Just don’t tell me that you were the chief of staff of the 8th Guards. Army - I won’t believe it. By the way, there was a difficult terrain and several tank-dangerous directions, it was against them that our tank cover regiments were located, which even before the army units had to reflect the breakthrough of American and NATO tanks. I remember this scenario well.
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                Have you been a member of the FCSU in the field or at headquarters?

                Well, you didn’t get it - the headquarters of the group went to the field at least twice a year, and sometimes with a change in the deployment area, and sometimes the CABGs were carried out without departure.
    3. ccsr 6 March 2020 13: 17 New
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      Why, with so many military universities and the army and navy, who knew the joy of Victory, did the USSR lose in the Cold Hybrid War?

      The Soviet Army did not lose in the Cold War, judging by the fact that Americans still change diapers from our heavy ballistic missiles - this is a fact. You are simply engaged in demagogy, and do not want to see that the country's political (and not military) leadership turned out to be untenable in the face of changing economic conditions and could not offer anything in order to avoid the collapse of the USSR. And the victory of the collective West turned out to be pyrrhic - now it’s already obvious, if only because the whole world is shaking from the quacks of American politicians, which was not the case during the USSR.
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        I put all the "bad" on the hybrid.
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          I put all the "bad" on the hybrid.

          I don’t believe in your juggling of terminology - I believe in our strategic nuclear forces, and this is the guarantee of our victory in any war, no matter how you call it Punic, hybrid, First or Third World War.
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            I believe in our strategic nuclear forces, and this is the guarantee of our victory in any war, no matter how you call it Punic, hybrid, First or Third World War.

            The strategic nuclear forces in a hybrid war will definitely lose because
            Quote: ccsr
            the country's political (not military) leadership turned out to be untenable in the face of changing economic conditions and could not offer anything in order to avoid the collapse of the USSR
            1. ccsr 6 March 2020 14: 45 New
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              The strategic nuclear forces in a hybrid war will definitely lose because

              Dream. We have capitalism and our oligarchs will not allow foreigners to rob them, that’s why they will support the country's nuclear power, whoever and ascribes to them - they know too well that the West will immediately take away all their stolen goods if they surrender Russia to the USA or China.
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                capitalism and our oligarchs will not allow us to be robbed by foreigners

                Foreigners will pour money into the Communists and there will be a new October ... where will your oligarchs go? Are you so naive?
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                they will support the country's nuclear power, no matter who and what they ascribe to

                Any strengthening of Russia leads to riots and revolutions!
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                  Foreigners will pour money into the Communists and there will be a new October.

                  Dream. We will never be forgiven for those who will take money from foreigners for a coup d'etat - it’s in our blood, you can be sure of the attitude to our demshiz.

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                  Are you so naive?

                  No, I really look at today's life, and I see no reason for it to change radically - the situation is not pre-revolutionary, and this is a fact.
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                  Any strengthening of Russia leads to riots and revolutions!

                  We always had and will have a lot of enemies, but the people saw the light and realized that we would definitely never have friends, and it’s good that we got rid of the illusions. And that means we won’t repeat the mistakes of the past, as if someone didn’t want to - I judge this by Putin’s rating.
          2. Tank jacket 7 March 2020 12: 29 New
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            In the discipline "hybrid warfare," I put a fat deuce. Learn materiel am
            1. ccsr 7 March 2020 17: 48 New
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              In the discipline "hybrid warfare," I put a fat deuce. Learn materiel

              Do not bother - you yourself cannot even formulate specifically what it is, but I can easily prove that such a war was in the era of Napoleon.
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                Read above ... There is no need to push.
  17. Grandfather Crimea 5 March 2020 23: 34 New
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    Schools that have not been disposed of are not all listed. In Sevastopol, the command — kayuk, engineering for submarine — was reduced to madness. Political — the Kiev sea — now (again) the grave, the Donetsk engineering troops, I don’t know, but Simferopol’s long gone. This is so offhand.
    The military department should not be an excuse from the service-graduated, served. What questions?! Another thing is that time is like this, you can please the front end.
    You can pour mud on each other as much as you like on the site, but the situation will not change in Ukraine. People meet different. Whoever you fall for. And they say everyone who is in Russian, who is in Ukrainian, can jarring something, but those who are positive about the Russian Federation do not shout about it publicly, they continue to think adequately, live and read, where they won’t give in the face, they can and debate. Dill-of course annoying, but arguing with them is useless. They are on their own wave, their time has come. This is only because everything comes from the very top of power. The authorities support them.
    If you come across a group of Natsiks, then suddenly you decide that your finest hour has struck — they must be set in the true path — you have two options. You will really hurt it or it will just hurt in your soul, or maybe there will be a mix))))) Then bingo! if the surgeon collects.
    Those who do not support the current government and believe that Russia is not an enemy live in their cocoon, the gap is not visible, as are the hopes for change. Not everyone can leave their homeland and move .... The country is fragmented. Here is my friend’s colleague’s soul that lives in Ukraine.
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      In Sevastopol team - kayuk

      Lives and lives!
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      engineering for subflooding-reduced to madness

      And this has long been a kayuk!
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    it won’t solve the problem - any sane person understands that "pingzhaki" for the army, this is only a burden and useless !!!
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      it won’t solve the problem - any sane person understands that "pingzhaki" for the army, this is only a burden and useless !!!

      Now, as part of the reduction of many military educational institutions in the Ministry of Defense, there is no way to train specialists in some military higher education institutions, which is why the percentage of jackets will increase, no matter how much you would like to. By the way, I had to deal with “jackets” in the SA, and I can say that many who remained after two years to serve further became good specialists. And Kvashnin became the NSS in general, although I believe that this was the most short-sighted of those who led the NSS for the Soviet and subsequent period.