Sohu: Turkish UAVs easily break through Syria’s air defense system based on Soviet and Russian air defense systems


A Chinese information resource claims that Syrian air defense, using Soviet and Russian-made air defense systems, cannot withstand attacks from Turkey.


The publication on the Chinese resource criticizes the aggressive actions of Turkey. The author of Sohu notes that the Turkish army insolently invaded Syria and supported the anti-government forces operating there. Russia continues to support Syria, but the Turkish army is increasing its military presence in the occupied territories. And one of the important factors that allow Turkey to feel confident is the success of Turkish drones in the Syrian sky.

Since Syrian airspace is closed to Turkish air forces, and the Russian Ministry of Defense even specifically warned the Turkish side that it could not guarantee the safety of Turkish aircraft if they appeared above Idlib, in Ankara they decided to use unmanned aerial vehicles in the sky over Syria. It is with the help of drones that the Turks conduct air attacks on Syrian military convoys, patrols, roadblocks, military equipment groups and even individual military vehicles or motorcycles.

The author of Sohu notes that the Turkish drone even managed to destroy the Russian-made "Shell" air defense system, which, in theory, was supposed to bring him down. In the task of destroying the Turkish drone, the Chinese journalist writes, there was nothing complicated, but the air defense system did not respond to its appearance and was destroyed.

For Syria, this is obviously a heavy loss. For Russia, this is a domestic air defense system. She was destroyed in this way and lost her face,

- writes the author of Sohu.

It is noted that Turkish UAVs "easily break through the Syrian air defense system based on Soviet and Russian air defense systems."

The question posed by the Chinese publication is really very interesting, given that Turkey, even without the use of its fighter aviation, managed to control a significant part of Syrian airspace with the help of drones. And Syrian air defense, armed with Soviet and Russian weaponscan’t do anything about it. Yes, they periodically shoot down unmanned vehicles, but not as actively as one might expect.

Bloomberg calls the unprecedented number of drones involved by the Turkish Air Force in the sky over Syria. The Turkish army managed to literally besiege Syria with its drones, which every day attack the positions of the Syrian Arab army and its moving columns and convoys.

Even the loss of the two latest Anka-S unmanned aerial vehicles on February 25 and March 1 in the region of Serakib does not correct the situation. Turkey has too many unmanned aerial vehicles, and the bet made on them is quite justified: the Turkish Air Force, using drones, saves aircraft and, most importantly, does not risk the lives of aircraft crew members.

By the way, although the Syrian troops have pretty good air defense systems, the Turkish military managed to shoot down several Syrian air forces, including the Su-24. An amusing picture is emerging: the Syrians are shooting down drones, but the drone attacks are still continuing and cause great damage to government troops, and the Turks are successfully shooting down Syrian air forces. The only thing that pleases is that in both cases of the downing of the Syrian Air Force Su-24, the Syrian pilots managed to escape, safely landing with parachutes.

At the same time, by shooting down Turkish aircraft, Syria acts in full accordance with international law, since they violate its airspace. Turkish Air Force F-16s operate from Turkish airspace for fear of entering the airspace of the ATS.
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  1. Svarog 4 March 2020 15: 15 New
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    The Chinese are in a hurry to exalt and sell their complexes .. But the United States does not impose sanctions on countries that buy Chinese air defense .. We see that they do not see a threat, but they see in our complexes ..
    1. Killemall 4 March 2020 15: 22 New
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      Yes ... for this task, you can drive any unconfirmed crap. the Chinese are also companions.
    2. Alexander Suvorov 4 March 2020 15: 37 New
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      The Chinese are in a hurry to extol their complexes and sell them.

      Yes, this yellow-washed “Sohu” is already jumping out of his pants in mud pouring on our equipment. Only here, as the Chinese purchased weapons from us, they are purchasing, of course, in smaller volumes, but they are purchasing it. But there is something behind Chinese technology, there are no queues so far. So they try, even so, but to lower the competitor.
      1. Berber 5 March 2020 10: 55 New
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        There are no queues, but they are selling normally. Iran and Pakistan for example.
      2. zenion 5 March 2020 14: 43 New
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        They break through easily and not somewhere else, but over Turkish territory.
      3. DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 21: 52 New
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        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        Yes, this yellow-washed “Sohu” is already jumping out of his pants in mud pouring on our equipment. Only here as the Chinese bought weapons from us, so they buy

        So the "brothers" zhezh?
        Ali, no?
    3. Aaron Zawi 4 March 2020 15: 58 New
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      I must say right away that they would not throw extra slippers at me, that I am almost zero as an expert in air defense. Mostly knowledge of open sources, and therefore my approach is extremely superficial. I saw a video on strikes on the “Shell” and I suggest that those who understand understand it. And most worship with benefit for themselves.
      1. rocket757 4 March 2020 18: 26 New
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        What to discuss? There is no full-fledged air defense there and cannot be until the political flirting around the Sultan is over!
        A lonely complex, ANY, without at least basic support for reconnaissance and airspace control, can only do what the calculation can be well prepared.
        The “god of war” rules there, i.e. long-range barrel artillery of the Turks, which no one wants to suppress!
        Well, after all, what matters, some are ready to write it off to the scrap, and she RULIT and makes a rustle not childish.
        1. sen
          sen 6 March 2020 05: 37 New
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          The “god of war” rules there, i.e. long-range barrel artillery of the Turks, which no one wants to suppress!

          Syria has few counter-battery weapons. Need to help.
          1. rocket757 6 March 2020 06: 46 New
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            Besides just having, you must still be able to apply ... the conflict moved to another stage, the confrontation with the regular army, more or less, a developed state with a decently equipped army. It's not like hanging out with barmales !!! It all starts with a change in TACTICS, raising the level of training of troops and ... much more !!! Now affects the general, not ah, the training of troops and command!
            In general, our advisers to work there, work, swear, admonish, grind common truths ... in short, everything was as if their predecessors tried to do with a very, not ah, result in the end. All this has already been!
        2. Morgan 6 March 2020 15: 12 New
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          “A lonely complex, ANY, without at least basic support of funds” - these are excuses, then the horizon is crooked, then there is no support, in the case of Israel the soldiers did not go out for dinner, etc. The reasons that the "experts" cite are many. There is a good proverb "the bad dancer gets in the way"
          1. rocket757 6 March 2020 16: 44 New
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            Quote: morgan
            There is a good proverb "the bad dancer gets in the way"

            Ha, and show at least ONE dancer BETTER, then there will be a subject of discussion, but for now pf-e, an empty bazaar.
            1. Morgan 13 March 2020 15: 38 New
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              Min Russian defense
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      3. Dmitry Voinovsky 4 March 2020 23: 41 New
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        Only it was not in Syria, but in Libya. And not according to our armor, but according to the contract.
        1. ninja 5 March 2020 00: 23 New
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          the chassis will protrude from the BAZ

      4. Prjanik 5 March 2020 02: 20 New
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        Well, I saw:
        1. The non-working Shell.
        2. Some kind of gluing is not clear why.
        3. The non-working Shell.
        4. It looks like the Libyan Shell on the basis of MAN.
        5. It seems like a fake. Something on the basis of MAN with a painted explosion.
        1. Morgan 6 March 2020 15: 14 New
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          That's right - fake! The most honest are the Russian media, they definitely don’t lie.
        2. Evil Booth 9 March 2020 06: 55 New
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          Tama Roland https://vpk.name/blog/k8pqly6w
      5. Genry 5 March 2020 06: 38 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        I saw a video on strikes on the “Shell” and I suggest that those who understand understand it.

        Why discuss it here ....
        At the runway of the aerodrome - the truth was smashed. He stood without ammunition.

        Then there were fakes with gluings ... For example, you don’t need to be an expert to see the difference with the car tracks in episode 1:11 ....
        And not everywhere the Shell - but a smeared image of a model or a similar machine.
      6. user1212 5 March 2020 11: 08 New
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        Aron, this has been discussed for two days already. In the video of the destruction of the Roland air defense system in Libya.
      7. Timoha 5 March 2020 14: 48 New
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        1. A freestanding not working Shell. Proof that you can blow up a standing Kamaz.
        2. Something is standing somewhere and shooting somewhere. Invisible nichrome, everything is blurry. Evidence that something exploded somewhere, and then a "camera" flew into this place.
        3. See point 1.
        4. The parameters are very similar to the Libyan Shell on the basis of MAN (in short - Kamaz has a “head” shorter). There is a version that it is generally German-French Roland, but as for me it is more like MAN. But there are questions for anti-aircraft gunners (I say right away, I'm in this “no boom-boom”, which is why the next question arises). Only the antenna rotates, the tower itself in a position close to the transport one (missile and cannon weapons are pointed clearly back), while the UAV quietly flies around at a relatively low altitude and is shooting. Those. The carapace, which is designed to fight against such targets (which quite well knocks down Syrian air defense with its ancient complexes), does not even try to destroy it. Why? In my opinion, evidence that you can blow up a worthy MAN.
        5. "Masterpiece" of installation. 1st part. Most likely we see even the Shell (pay attention to the rut and possible traces of burning / explosion on the side of the Shell). 2nd part. The explosion, the angle of shooting changes dramatically, as well as the track (by the way, it becomes thin). My guess is that at some point there was a car (thin track), its Turks jumped and shot it on video (from here there are traces of burning / explosion on the side), then Shell came to this place, which again was shot by Turks. If it’s the same place at all. Evidence that something was blown up, and then removed the Shell, possibly even standing in this place.
      8. DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 21: 59 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        I saw a video on strikes on the “Shell” and I suggest that those who understand understand it.

        Understanding in 3D graphics and in 3D MAX Studio today laid out their point of view. The fragments from the "Shell" when the layout of the frames were the same shape! Arrays of particles in plugins for generating and moving particles in 3D editors ....
        What can I say, cheap.
        Production on the knee in 30-45 minutes of time.
        Plus complete "disintegration" at the level of atoms and molecules of all the metal of which the "Shell" is made.
        "It is boring to live in this world - gentlemen ..." (C)
    4. Grigory_45 4 March 2020 19: 29 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      The Chinese are rushing their complexes ... sell
      to the Syrians? Well, this is unlikely. The Chinese are well aware that the SAM itself is only a weapon in someone’s hands. Like a gun. In the hands of a professional is a deadly weapon, in the hands of an amateur ... as if he had not shot something precious to himself. They will not go to such a loss of the image of their weapons.
      By the way, if Chinese crews were sitting in the cockpits of the air defense system, then the uniform airfall of the opposite side would be created. They would not fuss and stand on ceremony, but would press buttons and load ammunition again. Although, China will never be in the place of the ATS.
      For air defense to work, it needs competent organization (which is not), and political will (which is also not in sight) - to stop any creep. See how the US or Israel act. Arrived to them - the answer will not be long in coming. Moreover, the answer is tough. And then snot starts to chew - they say you cannot shoot down planes in Turkish airspace, it is also strictly forbidden to shoot at its territory. And if the Turks accidentally get kneaded, they will bow at their feet, apologies will be brought.
      Disgusting.

      well, if you were hit on one cheek - turn the other, then the kidneys, spleen, etc. by the list.
    5. Archon 5 March 2020 15: 02 New
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      rather, the US is tied to China by economic handcuffs
    6. Evil Booth 8 March 2020 11: 22 New
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      1) they have trade lubof with China right before the war
      2) SAR air defense is not effective enough, and UAVs / so efficiently that they use the UAVs what to choose depends on the degree of understanding of Mova + the distance from the trenches
      3) Turkish air defense is absent from the word at all. They will never intercept any UAB KR UAVs and certainly not even the "stealth" or the more so BR.
    7. Evil Booth 9 March 2020 06: 54 New
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      soldier they’ll already throw ALL ALL cartoons from the Turk cartoons. get on zen copies from frames https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5e511b876948c51ea07ba211/vse-tureckie-nalety-dronov-na-siriiu-okazalis-nenastoiascimi-5e60e2b7c7b0b32c091fd819 specifically him and touchless) on shots in Syria, Libya and not the shell of a Roland.
  2. BAI
    BAI 4 March 2020 15: 17 New
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    Syrian air defense will be effective if it operates automatically without the participation of Syrian personnel.
    1. Terenin 4 March 2020 15: 24 New
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      Quote: BAI
      Syrian air defense will be effective if it operates automatically without the participation of Syrian personnel.

      No one denies the poor training of the Syrian operators, but the type of hostilities has become completely different.
      You need to relearn as quickly as possible. Sooner or later, this would happen. I am sure that with our help everything will be worked out and the Turks will also “like us”.
      1. Tiksi-3 4 March 2020 15: 55 New
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        Quote: Terenin
        I am sure that with our help everything will be worked out and the Turks will also “like us”.

        Russia has transferred the Syrian Air Force R-77 air-to-air missiles, the Al-Mayadden newspaper reports, citing military sources in the Syrian army. As the source specified, Russia took such measures after the aggressive behavior of Turkish forces in the province of Idlib.

        It is reported that the crews of the Syrian MiG-29 fighters are already undergoing additional briefing and raid. Aircraft are almost ready to repel air attacks and cover the bombers.

        R-77 (RVV-AE in export version) - a Russian medium-range guided missile (110 km) of the air-to-air class with a single-pulse Doppler active homing radar. Developed by GosMKB Vympel. Adopted in 1994
        hi soldier
        1. figwam 4 March 2020 16: 17 New
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          Quote: Tiksi-3
          Russia gave the Syrian air force air-to-air missiles R-77,

          If this is true, then this is a serious missile on the principle of letting and forgetting, that's just what the qualifications of the Syrian pilots are, and Turkey has EW and Avax systems.
          1. core 4 March 2020 22: 15 New
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            u Turk avax !? and where they got it, the Americans don’t even deliver petrit to the Turks. EW covers objects and precisely does not regulate the launches of air-to-air missiles.
            1. figwam 4 March 2020 22: 21 New
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              Quote: core
              u Turk avax !?

              4 pieces of Boeing 737 AEW & C
              1. DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 22: 11 New
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                4 pieces of Boeing 737 AEW & C

                Is this Avax? Or a semblance of something ... there?
                Yes, and even this, flying within a huge area of ​​Turkey :)
                "It is - whole shallow ..." (Town)
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            When launching at a long range, I started it up, but I didn’t forget it — we need to adjust the position of the target.
        2. dorz 4 March 2020 16: 21 New
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          The Syrians shot down 12 Turkish drones in total, five Anka and seven Bayraktar. Shot down by Shells and Beeches, good results.
        3. Grigory_45 4 March 2020 20: 28 New
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          Quote: Tiksi-3
          Russia gives the Syrian air force air-to-air missiles R-77

          and where they will cling? In the SAR Air Force, the only fighter capable of carrying the R-77 is the MiG-29SMT (they are also the most modern fighters that are armed with the Syrian Air Force). How many of them are in a flightable condition out of 9 (NINE aircraft, just silches - as of 2016) available? And an even more pressing question: who will fly on them?
          1. core 4 March 2020 22: 18 New
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            After all, the 29th will not invade Turkish airspace, but will be accompanied by bombers, and why did you get the idea that Syrian pilots are worse than Turkish !?
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              Meanwhile, the DPR air defense is ready to bring down Bayraktar UAVs bought by Ukraine from Turkey:

        4. Terenin 4 March 2020 20: 56 New
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          Quote: Tiksi-3
          Quote: Terenin
          I am sure that with our help everything will be worked out and the Turks will also “like us”.

          Russia has transferred the Syrian Air Force R-77 air-to-air missiles, the Al-Mayadden newspaper reports, citing military sources in the Syrian army. As the source specified, Russia took such measures after the aggressive behavior of Turkish forces in the province of Idlib.

          It is reported that the crews of the Syrian MiG-29 fighters are already undergoing additional briefing and raid. Aircraft are almost ready to repel air attacks and cover the bombers.

          R-77 (RVV-AE in export version) - a Russian medium-range guided missile (110 km) of the air-to-air class with a single-pulse Doppler active homing radar. Developed by GosMKB Vympel. Adopted in 1994
          hi soldier

          hi
          Here, and I say, if you love Russia, it’s a mountain of sorrows, and if you don’t love, then ... your neck yes
      2. Grigory_45 4 March 2020 19: 32 New
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        Quote: Terenin
        You need to relearn as quickly as possible. Sooner or later, this would happen. I’m sure that with our help everything will be worked out and the Turks will still “like us”

        it never helped them. How many Arabs did not wage wars - there were always beats. Although their conscientious advisers taught.
        What's the matter?
        There are two options: either our equipment is really g., Or how many donkeys you don’t teach, he will remain a donkey.
    2. huntsman650 4 March 2020 16: 01 New
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      And bring down all your own too))))
    3. Stils 4 March 2020 16: 14 New
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      Quote: BAI
      Syrian air defense will be effective if it operates automatically without the participation of Syrian personnel.

      And which staff should be involved? Graduates of the General Staff Academy? So, what it is is inefficient and it is a fact!
      1. rocket757 4 March 2020 18: 33 New
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        Although the calculation prepared, even on the machine, without an effective airspace control system, reconnaissance, there will be a game - who did not have time, he was late! -
        Yes, if the aircraft will chase drones, there will be little sense ... all early intelligence and target designations are needed!
        It is necessary to crush the long-range artillery of the Turks, otherwise there will be no business ......
        1. Oleg Zorin_2 4 March 2020 18: 48 New
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          How to crush her if she is in Turkey?
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            Quote: Oleg Zorin_2
            How to crush her if she is in Turkey?

            But this is precisely the most correct question !!! No answer.
            1. Igoresha 5 March 2020 12: 28 New
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              No answer.
              DRG send under the guise of Kurdish militants
              1. rocket757 5 March 2020 12: 38 New
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                Option ... but there is the saturation of the Turkish military now, the maximum.
          2. Grigory_45 4 March 2020 19: 35 New
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            Quote: Oleg Zorin_2
            How to crush her if she is in Turkey?

            Israelis are not embarrassed that their goals are on foreign territory (the same Syria, for example). Arrived and carried to hell with what, in their opinion, should be disassembled not according to the drawings.
            1. Oleg Zorin_2 4 March 2020 19: 37 New
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              Friend Gregory! Syria is nobody, but Turkey is a NATO country. Such things ... Again, the straits are Turkish. And without straits, the whole group will get bored.
              1. Grigory_45 4 March 2020 19: 52 New
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                Quote: Oleg Zorin_2
                Turkey is a country of NATO. Such things ... Again, the straits are Turkish. And without straits, the whole group will get bored.

                and it will also become dreary without a Turkish stream. How to sell gas to Europe?
                that means they did everything, almost without shots. Frightened and buried in minks. So?
                Again, I can hardly imagine that in such a situation the Foreign Ministry and the Armed Forces of Israel, the USA or China would save. Which we so love to vilify at every opportunity and call cowards ....
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                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  Quote: Oleg Zorin_2
                  Turkey is a country of NATO. Such things ... Again, the straits are Turkish. And without straits, the whole group will get bored.

                  and it will also become dreary without a Turkish stream. How to sell gas to Europe?

                  Gregory, are you tired of carrying the Turkish stream by the pipe? Firstly, in Idlib there is a cut between the SAA and Turkey. Militarily, Russia and Ankara are not in a military confrontation. Secondly, Ankara used its Air Force and drones without warning, for which the SAA was not ready because the bearded have no aircraft and shock drones, which explains the weakness of the Syrian air defense in the Idlib direction. In principle, CAA quickly corrects the situation. Today we dropped the seventh Turkish drummer and tried to get the F-16, which really got out of the strike. You better explain how the mattresses took a missile strike from Iran at their bases just a month and a half ago and how did their air defense work to reduce the consequences of the strike? Iran, unlike Turkey, warned the mattresses that it would strike at specific bases two hours before the strike. You are now arguing that the air defense mattresses were not there! Well, the Syrians did not have air defense there.
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  Again, I can hardly imagine that in such a situation the Foreign Ministry and the Armed Forces of Israel, the USA or China would save. Which we so love to vilify at every opportunity and call cowards ....

                  Well, in fact, China has not yet had the opportunity to demonstrate its courage, but the fact that the United States and Israel are cowards is unequivocal. Always act stealthily and obviously against a weak opponent, knowing for sure that the go-ahead will not get it. Although in this situation the mattresses managed to get from the Taliban in their exceptional physiognomy, and now, after 19 years of unsuccessful military presence, they are skiing in order to leave their next disgrace.
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                Quote: Oleg Zorin_2
                and Turkey is a NATO country

                This "NATO country" is already in everyone's liver.
                EVERYONE HAS....
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    5. DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 22: 03 New
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      Quote: BAI
      Syrian air defense will be effective if it operates automatically without the participation of Syrian personnel.

      Under the influence of the enemy’s electronic warfare, you can FORGET automatic mode while you forget it.
      Otherwise, you can pile so many coffins, including left and their own.
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      it’s somehow connected with the fact that the 28th destroyed in Libya and Rolandl and showed like a carapace and in Syria instead of displaying 8 destroyed blahs in Libya on the 28th and 6 blahs in the SAR. yes well no of course !! tongue
  3. McDonnell Douglas 4 March 2020 15: 19 New
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    Hey Chinese, why are you lowering us?
    In protest, I will throw everything Chinese out of the house! And only Zippo will remain with me ...
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      Quote: McDonnell Douglas
      Hey Chinese, why are you lowering us?

      Nobody touches you from the outskirts.
    2. Grigory_45 4 March 2020 19: 36 New
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      And only Zippo will remain with me ...

      also labeled Made in China? ..))
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      Even if you throw yourself out the window in protest, it is unlikely that anyone will notice ... even your Polish employer will not care ... such things!)
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    Return cons to articles, already tired of reading this nonsense.
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    what degradants are they to Sohu.
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      Soh- these are amateur graphomaniacs like our Zen.
  6. Masha 4 March 2020 15: 25 New
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    - Who said?
    -I said! wink
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    Where does Syria have air defense? Probably on controlled objects. And it is not enough. Those. break through what is not
  8. Andrei Nikolaevich 4 March 2020 15: 29 New
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    I get it. Not enough consumer goods for us, so also Chinese weapons to buy.
  9. Prisoner 4 March 2020 15: 31 New
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    Read on, but if it was based on the "Chinese", then it would be hoo! laughing
  10. gabonskijfront 4 March 2020 15: 43 New
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    The Chinese are famous hucksters, any of their "revelations" should be considered as an image move, the desire to scald dominates the Chinese cultural code over all others.
  11. Nikolay87 4 March 2020 15: 46 New
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    That is, if somewhere in the world they destroy Chinese weapons (a tank or an armored car), we can say that Chinese engineering is shit ?! Yes, such a level of thinking is even disgusting to fall.
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      drinks people chatbots LIVE it have a conscience, no need to cut down a forest for the sake of planting
  12. cniza 4 March 2020 16: 02 New
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    For Syria, this is obviously a heavy loss. For Russia, this is a domestic air defense system. She was destroyed in this way and lost her face,

    - writes the author of Sohu.


    Russia hasn’t applied anything yet, although it’s fresh:

    Turkey is forced to reduce the activity of its drone strikes on Syrian troops due to Russian intervention, after which it lost two drones at once.

    The Russian military activated electronic warfare systems, which immediately affected the effectiveness of operations conducted by government forces. When entering the airspace of Syria, the "swarms of drones" were subjected to powerful irradiation of electronic warfare systems "Krasukha" from the south-west direction. After that, immediately two UAVs lost control and crashed.

    Since each of these drones costs up to 30 million US dollars, such losses for Turkey are quite noticeable. One of the drones fell in the Turkish province of Hatay, and the second in the area of ​​the city of Sarakib.
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      Victor hi , if it’s true about Krasukha, then this is very good. But somehow tired of this tracking. No, of course I understand big politics and all that, but I want to see the real results of this big politics, and positive ones, and not to hear about the next plane shot down, albeit Syrian, but nonetheless. Are we fighting there or are we playing puzzles?
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        hi
        This is not what I came up with, here is the link:
        https://free-news.su/proisshestviya/43616-rossijskie-sistemy-reb-sbili-dva-tureckix-bpla
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        but I want to see the real results of this big policy




        Are we fighting there or are we playing puzzles?

        fool

  13. Gust 4 March 2020 16: 12 New
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    The Russian Federation did not set a goal to close the sky from UAVs; they are just a "fat duck" for army air defense. Never stealth, fly slowly, high.

    But tactics are decisive everywhere. Three or four of such UAVs, a swarm of drones are cheaper and dumber for overloading target channels, arranging interference in the direction of the detected air defense systems - that's all, there is no Shell (Buka, S-300, Iron Dome, Patriot - underline what is necessary). One division does not close the sky of a whole province with mountainous hilly relief!
    The tactics of using a swarm + terrain + interference were successfully demonstrated by the Israelis many, many years ago, and I don’t know what is the revelation for Sohu and others.

    If only Bayraktar broke through the defense of Bukov’s ZRDN and they broke it 30 km from the PU, it means that the UAV is bullshit, so what?
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      Evil tongues claim that the shell was from the Saudis, and was hit in Libya, the car base is visible in the photo, while Haftar’s forces burned 4 Turkish drones
      1. Evil Booth 8 March 2020 11: 26 New
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        at kasada in LJ current of pictures of Turps and then more than 4 from the drone and current for the 28th.
  14. shoroh 4 March 2020 16: 23 New
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    The Chinese, help Syria, and do not tremble with your tongue.
  15. Pacifist 4 March 2020 16: 23 New
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    What is slurred in the style of fake news. Appeal to a mounted roller with incomprehensible linkage and visible mounting locations in such a situation ... well, well. And the topic is “free” ... the number of UAVs shot down confidently goes to the second ten during episodic air defense ... I don’t know about 8 aircraft brought there, but obviously unpleasant surprises.
  16. V.I.P. 4 March 2020 16: 24 New
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    Interestingly, in the video of the destruction of the shells, they either simply stand and do nothing, or fight off missiles. And when they are destroyed, they say rockets are over ... But the gun never works on the approaching missiles (bombs) that destroyed them. Is she generally there to work for what purposes?
    1. V.I.P. 4 March 2020 16: 29 New
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      And if you put the six-barreled cannon from the marine AK630 on its carapace, can it shoot down rockets, barrage of ammunition and bombs attacking it on approach?
      1. Evil Booth 8 March 2020 11: 26 New
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        Yes, but it will be necessary to concrete it, otherwise it will be pressed into the ground by recoil))
        1. V.I.P. 8 March 2020 14: 35 New
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          How does the same "volcano" stand on the American A-10 attack aircraft? ...... How do amers have the option of a towed "volcano"? How is the same "volcano" installed on the M-113 armored personnel carrier?
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            and how is this related to the power of bestowal? lol
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              Yes, right! If a six-barrel 30 mm volcano is on a plane !! Or it’s standing in a trailer, or on an armored personnel carrier, like the BMP-1 and doesn’t ruin them, doesn’t rock them, it keeps recoil .... Will Kamaz not sustain such a return and will fall apart? .... There are 2 American air defense systems, but we not possible to create? Or is there less return on a plane ??? .... What is the problem for Russian designers? .... Kamaz is tumbling, but can be put on a BAZ chassis
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                wassat that case when there’s no need to explain .... by the way, on the saomlet IMHO 7 * 37 and not 6 * 30 ... and, finally, google chtoli and not throw in the kament, throw that they say it is)) you should learn the lever LATE.
  17. svoit 4 March 2020 16: 29 New
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    They write all sorts of nonsense, the Turks don’t even try to control airspace with the help of UAVs, they are used to strike ground targets, fighter jets are still used to control the airspace
    1. nov_tech.vrn 4 March 2020 21: 22 New
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      They learned from the Jews, they don’t enter Syria’s airspace, they are jackals from their territory, the range of air-to-air missiles allows.
  18. Andrey.AN 4 March 2020 16: 33 New
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    This is the omission of military advisers and politicians, electronic warfare systems in air defense are necessary and desirable on time, so that the drones and no swarms have incoming communications (operator receivers not to be over the horizon, only a drone). Especially if an agreement is signed for fifty years of deployment and military assistance.
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    I doubt very much, for example, that electronic warfare can disrupt the operation of AFAR AWACS, the stability of the radar itself, but the connection of this aircraft with the surrounding units is probably quite.
  20. Ratmir_Ryazan 4 March 2020 16: 46 New
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    The Chinese are right, Turkey gave Russian air defense relatively inexpensive UAVs.
    1. Grigory_45 4 March 2020 19: 43 New
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Turkey did Russian air defense

      you are just like the Chinese))) Do not confuse Russian air defense and air defense of another country, armed with complexes of Russian production. Do not find completely different things.
      If you break into a Mercedes (God forbid, of course) into a cake, it’s not Merce who’s to blame, but you, because it was you who were driving and driving the car.
      Characteristics of a weapon, a thing, of course, is important, but not so much as to exclude the influence of the homo sapiens controlling this weapon. Second: if the Syrians at the moment had the most advanced Western, Chinese, alien complexes, this would not help them - the result would be the same.
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      Ratmir_Ryazan, learn to understand the air defense and missile defense systems.
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      The Chinese are right, Turkey gave Russian air defense relatively inexpensive UAVs.

      And it is not enough to confuse the Syrian air defense system with the Russian air defense system. Russia has long and mostly been armed with the Pantsir-S2 air defense systems, including those located in Syria, guarding Khmeinim. Learn the materiel!
    3. Romeo 4 March 2020 20: 45 New
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      Russian air defense, it is in Russia)
    4. Romeo 4 March 2020 20: 46 New
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      And also Russian air defense at its bases in Syria
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        And from the Russian base in Syria to Idlib less than 100 km.
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          The Russian Federation is not at war with Turkey, but it will land any aircraft whatever they were in case of a threat to the base itself. I think Turkey should not check it. You can’t even imagine what damage air defense of this air force base of any country can cause
    5. nov_tech.vrn 4 March 2020 21: 01 New
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      Over the past day, March 3, 2020, Syrian air defense systems were able to destroy three Turkish attack drones when the latter tried to launch an attack against the SAA. Before the appearance of photo and video materials, the Turkish Ministry of Defense categorically denied the loss of its drones, however, after the publication of evidence, it generally ceased to respond to media requests.
      It is known that all three unmanned aerial vehicles of the Turkish Air Force were destroyed in the area of ​​the front line, although it was previously assumed that the capabilities of the Syrian air defense systems were sufficient to hit Turkish drones directly when entering Syrian airspace.
      It should be clarified that the total number of Turkish drones lost in Syria over the past two weeks is already more than two dozen, and, precisely because of their low efficiency, Turkey significantly reduced their use after the first major losses.
      “As soon as Turkey stopped actively using drones, Syria regained control of 12 cities and towns. In other words, left without aviation, Turkish troops and Islamists simply turned into targets for the Syrian artillery, from which large losses came, ”the analyst notes.
  21. Vladimir61 4 March 2020 17: 00 New
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    So everything was written correctly! The Syrian statement, establishing without a flight zone, turned out to be fiction. For this, there is no necessary saturation of military and object air defense. The radio-technical control system for airspace and air reconnaissance work weakly or inefficiently. The normal electronic warfare system, there, apparently, does not even dream of. In fact, we, referring to certain agreements, substitute the Syrians for these unrequited attacks.
    1. Grigory_45 4 March 2020 19: 45 New
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      Quote: Vladimir61
      The Syrian statement to establish without a flight zone turned out to be fiction

      who would doubt it)) There were so many such statements that it was just right to change the proverb, and henceforth say "the last Syrian (Russian) warning"
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      and there flew a lot f16? no one hi
  22. Ros 56 4 March 2020 17: 59 New
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    Sokha in his repertoire, everything Russian is byaka, and they themselves all are from us. Pigs in one word.
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      the advertisement is engine of the trade
  23. Kostadinov 4 March 2020 18: 10 New
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    Hurried to hand over for scrapping the barrel anti-aircraft artillery. And 37 mm, 57 mm, 85 mm guns could still work well for large drones. And for small drones 12,7 mm DShK and 14,5 mm ZSU will be enough.
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      Quote: Kostadinov
      Hurried to hand over for scrapping the barrel anti-aircraft artillery. And 37 mm, 57 mm, 85 mm guns could still work well for large drones. And for small drones 12,7 mm DShK and 14,5 mm ZSU will be enough.

      machine guns and MZA in Syria like dirt. Only now, no drone was shot down from them.
  24. Retvizan 8 4 March 2020 19: 15 New
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    Speaking about the success of Turkish drones in the sky of Syria, I did not meet the mention that these drones operate relatively close to the Turkish border. The depth of their action is 20-30 km, at a speed of up to two hundred km / h, this is a very small period in time to detect and shoot down an unmanned aerial vehicle, given that Syria does not have a deeply echeloned air defense, and the main Syrian air defense systems were concentrated on shock hazard directions from Israel.
    I think if the Turks had to fly into Syria at least 100 kilometers, the loss in drones would be more significant.
    Although it seems that the air defense in the Idlib area was strengthened, as evidenced by the large number of downed drones.
    1. Grigory_45 4 March 2020 20: 00 New
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      Quote: Retvizan 8
      The depth of their action is 20-30 km, at a speed of up to two hundred km / h, this is a very small period in time to detect and shoot down the drone

      a very decent time is obtained.
      UAVs do not fly at maximum, they need to find a specific target, use weapons and record the results of the strike. Those same 30 km turn into 60 - there and back, plus 10 minutes above the target. Total - more than half an hour (!) Over a foreign territory.
      even a jet F-16 wouldn’t turn faster than 10-15 minutes if it would strike at targets 30 km from the border. Although, there really is a little more distance - 40-45 km.
      1. nov_tech.vrn 4 March 2020 21: 06 New
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        do not drink from the hoof, only in Syria during the exacerbation a couple of dozen drones already banged, and here Haftar also tries, so they learned to shoot
  25. impostor 4 March 2020 19: 47 New
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    With respect for the Chinese peppers from Sohu, they actually caught the campaign of coronavirus (each journalist put on a crown). They don’t care that the Turkish fake was cut into pieces, don’t understand what events were happening, and the leitmotif was that the Chinese Soviet air defense sets copied by the Chinese are better than Shell, and this, of course, despite the fact that the Chinese BIRAUN coffee machine explodes on 11 cups of coffee, striking the skin and imagination of unlucky admirers of the brand BRAUN
  26. Lexeich 4 March 2020 19: 51 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    What to discuss? There is no full-fledged air defense there and cannot be until the political flirting around the Sultan is over!
    A lonely complex, ANY, without at least basic support for reconnaissance and airspace control, can only do what the calculation can be well prepared.
    The “god of war” rules there, i.e. long-range barrel artillery of the Turks, which no one wants to suppress!
    Well, after all, what matters, some are ready to write it off to the scrap, and she RULIT and makes a rustle not childish.

    And the last part of the video from 1-26 (time) has already been dismantled in many forums. Bullshit gluing from several videos.
  27. Kolka Tesemin 4 March 2020 21: 22 New
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    On March 4, two more drones were shot down. If you shoot down two a day, then Turkey will very quickly be left without them. The day is not over yet.
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    Now think ... Turkey broke through Syria, but what if all NATO would break through Russia's defense? Look at the facts !!!
  29. Romeo 4 March 2020 22: 21 New
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    He served in ZRV and I know how it works. Syria has almost no air defense. Such targets as UAVs do not pose any danger to the air defense of the Russian Federation. For operators, this is the easiest goal. It is foolish to draw conclusions about the quality of Russian weapons used in other countries that do not have full air defense and generally do not have full-fledged aircraft. We are not talking about the Turkish UAV raid on the Crimean coast, and that our air defense did not cope with them. I would like to see it).
    1. Evil Booth 8 March 2020 15: 33 New
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      there are quite a few kilometers) under 30 pieces of different beeches for 30 shells with 300 6 pieces there are eleven c200 pechora 2 m weaving complexes older ... different 23 hundreds and hundreds all sorts of atm radars and a solid rew and passive anode radars and all kinds of stuff .. there air defense more than in NATO without the USA
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    Sohu: Turkish UAVs easily break through Syria’s air defense system based on Soviet and Russian air defense systems
    Tell the Turks that, otherwise they are tired of counting the mill. $ losses from downed UAVs. repeat
  31. AKS-U 5 March 2020 00: 18 New
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    You can leave this site. The site turns into a litter of someone else’s opinion. There are no worse Avia.pro and there definitely do not change the comments on the go. You write one thing, and the output is completely different.
    I hope Pushkin A.S. Won't you overwrite, or will you be smart enough?
    Oh, a hero! In a host of long years
    I had enough time to think;
    Do not deny me a small request
    Give advice to the people:
    “Until the Russian gets into it,
    That the enemy is not a king to him, not a master,
    Not a thief or an aristocrat
    Not a foreign trustee,
    Not a smoky city, not a village
    A Zionist mug.
    Until he takes it
    Both in words and in deeds,
    Languish mother Russia
    In the Jewish shackles! ..

    Excerpt "Fight Ruslan with the Head"
    from the poem Ruslan and Lyudmila.
    Pushkin A.S.
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      yeah)) Pushkin, wrote along with Fet, Lermontov and Lomonosov to boot))))))))))))))) in a strip club)
      Murlo is obviously not a nineteenth-century word. The epithet "Zionist" - too. "In the Jewish Enemy Shackles" - a dull selection of epithets. You might think that the shackles may be friendly.

      And finally, the topic itself: it is difficult to imagine a modern poet, no matter how desperate a nationalist, who accuses the Tajik janitors of all Russian troubles. Jews in the era - Pushkin is the same marginalized, locked up minority minority, which is unlikely to incur the wrath of an aristocratic poet.
      the word Zionism appeared in 1890, approximately. Pushkin died a little earlier))
  32. AKS-U 5 March 2020 00: 25 New
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    And the Chinese have noticed correctly. And then we are too proud of our weapons. And the Turks checked it (our weapon). And if the Germans, French or Americans check. There are a few other possibilities.
    ..................
    I wonder how many more Tu-160 upgrades will take place, made during the “harmful tale” (according to Putin).
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    Quote: Gregory_45
    Quote: Terenin
    You need to relearn as quickly as possible. Sooner or later, this would happen. I’m sure that with our help everything will be worked out and the Turks will still “like us”

    it never helped them. How many Arabs did not wage wars - there were always beats. Although their conscientious advisers taught.
    What's the matter?
    There are two options: either our equipment is really g., Or how many donkeys you don’t teach, he will remain a donkey.

    there is no technique, but a grenade in the monkey’s hand. Here is the answer to the question. What can I say if an evening post is left at the evening prayer (vidos with the destruction of the shell by an Israeli missile) - the Papuan runs to the car after hearing the missile
  34. Nikolaevich I 5 March 2020 02: 00 New
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    Surprising is the "dishonesty" of the so-called "international law"! This means that it is possible to carry out acts of aggression against any country ... (even wage a war?), But at the same time you have to be on your territory and in your airspace! belay And if, at the same time, in response to take military action, then this is military aggression! fool
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      Vladimir, how much can one say about "international law"? there is none and never was! the whole history of mankind in the past and in the future there will be only one right, the right of the strong .. you can call it at least "intergalactic", nothing will change
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        Quote: 2 level advisor
        "international law"? there is none and never was!

        I agree! Moreover, it turned out, unfortunately, that the comment “issued” without an ending! And in the "ending I wanted to say that the real essence of" international law "is the right of the strong! Who is stronger is" right "... always! hi
  35. Nitarius 5 March 2020 04: 38 New
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    )) not well, the Chinese are still those warriors ... so that they judge us for our weapons .. we didn’t stop fighting once .. I don’t remember a year or so that ours didn’t fight .. and then damn the Chinese .. maybe the cunning Chinese will fight ... .and in tongue and sofa there are many troops!
  36. Hermit21 5 March 2020 07: 38 New
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    And so they began to die in droves, was it enough to give these air defense systems a lift?
  37. Dedok 5 March 2020 08: 02 New
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    M-yeah, they gave a reason to start writing like that; and who is to blame and what to do next is another story ....
    1. agond 5 March 2020 09: 21 New
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      Offensive tactics in general, and in particular offensive weapons in the form of UAVs, will always have an advantage over defensive tactics and against any missile defense, especially in cases where UAVs are used in large quantities, which was shown to us in Syria, because throwing stones is easier than catching them. For example, Israel will not hunt every UAV over its territory, it will simply hit targets on enemy territory. ... and so it is necessary to work on the creation of air defense systems with the cost of a drone.
  38. Maxim Sibirev 5 March 2020 10: 16 New
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    From the Turks, there is really not a single video norm. And there are some fabulous numbers (as much as 200 tanks of the type) and a zero result in terms of occupying territories. And already on refugees already fell.

    It looks like the real sultan in Idlib. And ours are trying to reassure him so as not to be offended (we have a bunch of interests in Turkey). And it’s not for nothing that he goes to Moscow
  39. Kostadinov 5 March 2020 11: 34 New
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    Quote: Gregory_45
    Quote: Kostadinov
    Hurried to hand over for scrapping the barrel anti-aircraft artillery. And 37 mm, 57 mm, 85 mm guns could still work well for large drones. And for small drones 12,7 mm DShK and 14,5 mm ZSU will be enough.

    machine guns and MZA in Syria like dirt. Only now, no drone was shot down from them.

    I didn’t notice that it’s like dirt. And this is not about machine guns and MZA, but about SZA which can get large drones for 5-6 kilometers in height. I did not notice any of these guns.
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    That is, you can safely shoot down other people's planes from your territory and is this normal? the main thing is not to fly into someone else's airspace? What kind of perverted ugly logic? So let's rush with long loafs to throw, without violating the borders of states ??
  41. Zhevlonenko 5 March 2020 15: 38 New
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    Well, the fact that the shell is destroyed, I would not say so, the laid out gluing of at least two fragments causes a lot of questions, and a healthy doubt about the reliability,
  42. seacap 5 March 2020 18: 16 New
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    There is no air defense system of air defense and electronic warfare, there are only individual ZSU machines that have developed their motor resources with outrageous wear on the trunks, and equipment.
  43. bleksia1477 5 March 2020 19: 06 New
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    CHINESE comrades would have to cover their mouths, haya Russian weapons! Who will buy from them their Chinese "non-patent clones" air defense systems from Russia! ???
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      CHINESE comrades would have to cover their mouths, haya Russian weapons!
      The Chinese write a lot of things. Another thing is that the author dug up exactly this material, because the goal is to throw something on the fan.
      A similar author (apparently from among the "Israeli patriots") was born a speech about the fact that the Turks could give us Tsushima, well, they say, we only have one salvo. Like, "in the event of a war with Turkey, we will get our Tsushima."
      So, these are not "Chinese comrades", but "Israeli patriots" worried about our defenses bully
  44. DED_peer_DED 5 March 2020 21: 50 New
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    By the way, although the Syrian troops have pretty good air defense systems, the Turkish military managed to shoot down several Syrian air forces, including the Su-24. An amusing picture is emerging: the Syrians are shooting down drones, but the drone attacks are still continuing and cause great damage to government troops, and the Turks are successfully shooting down Syrian air forces.

    Galimatia, not reasoning.
    Pops.
    "What troops did you serve in?" (WITH)
    I served in the USSR Air Defense.
    I have the honor.
  45. riwas 6 March 2020 06: 15 New
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    The fight against Turkish strike UAVs capable of operating at altitudes beyond the reach of MANPADS has shown that for air defense in combat formations it is also necessary to have a simple air defense system in service, which occupies an intermediate position between MANPADS and short-range mobile air defense systems. So that it can be transported in a disassembled form over a short distance, and transported over a large distance in any light truck. It is proposed to launch the rocket vertically from a transport and launch container. Several controllers connected by wires to the optoelectronic control unit. The missile guidance system is dual: a laser command, as in the Starstrik MANPADS, and a dual-channel infrared seeker homing - on the final.
    It is proposed that the warhead of the missile system be carried out on the principle of an anti-personnel American mine of directional action M18 “Claymore”, i.e. carry out targeted sectoral expansion of fragments, rather than circular. The center of mass of such a warhead should be located on the axis of symmetry of the rocket. Before undermining the warhead, using a non-contact laser fuse, the position of the rocket relative to the target is determined and the rocket launcher is quickly oriented so that the sector of fragmentation of the fragments is aimed at the target. Thus, warhead fragments are used rationally, which reduces the warhead weight by the weight of the "extra" fragments.
  46. Grandfather Crimea 6 March 2020 07: 48 New
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    Chinas can write anything. And our advisers will draw conclusions, the situation will stabilize, we must learn from mistakes and correct them quickly — respond to calls in time.
  47. Ivan Osipov 6 March 2020 09: 34 New
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    Nonsense, all the available drone UAVs are shot down, and there are 9 of them. Assad pulled up modern anti-aircraft and MiGi-29 weapons there, now f-16s can fly only over Turkey (the range of destruction of our air-to-air missiles is greater). UAVs screwed up in full.
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    Well, you had to do the same thing. After a concert in Palmyra, deploy heavy artillery and hundreds of UAVs there. The Syrians provide the Yak-130 with lightning and attack as a light attack aircraft, and to combat drones and helicopters. Do it yourself airspace control.
  49. flicker 6 March 2020 15: 26 New
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    Turkey has too many unmanned aerial vehicles, and the bet made on them is quite justified: the Turkish Air Force, using drones, saves aircraft and, most importantly, does not risk the lives of aircraft crew members.
    After such pearls, a joke came to mind:
    Someone spent 30 years and trained a flea, comes to the circus director and says:
    - here, see a flea?
    - I see, the director of the circus answers, crushes the flea with his finger and asks: so what?
    -----
    Turkish drones are good until the Syrians began to fight the Turks (and the Syrians have not started so far). One hit by Point-U in the center of drone control (and control is carried out within no more than 150 km), as all these wonderful expensive drones from weapons turn into a beautiful toy, an expensive toy.
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    Something the Chinese media have recently begun to behave not beautifully towards Russia .... Something I can’t recall articles from the Russian media where the arms of China have been draped in plain text ..... Although, to be honest, 90% Chinese weapons, this is one way or another stolen technology from the Russians ..... So the Chinese "friend" is not such a friend to us ..... Nothing "sacred", no one has a relationship. Our friends are our army and navy.