Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: Turkish posts in Idlib fused with the fortified areas of the militants

Turkish observation posts in Syrian Idlib were located in the fortified areas of the radical groups and actually became part of them. This contradicts the Sochi agreements, as the posts should be located on the border of the de-escalation zone.

This statement was made today by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Igor Konashenkov.

Due to Ankara’s failure to fulfill its obligations, Syrian settlements and the Russian Khmeimim air base are fired on by militants every day.

Contrary to the agreements, the Turkish side not only did not create a demilitarized zone in Idlib, but also contributed to the advancement in this area of ​​groups recognized by the international community, including the Russian Federation, as terrorist. We are talking about “Khayyat Tahrir al-Sham”, “Khurras ad-Din” and “Islamic Party of Turkestan” (banned in the Russian Federation). They managed to force the fighters of the so-called moderate opposition to the north, to the Syrian-Turkish border.

Because of this, the Syrian government forces had to respond to a large-scale offensive by terrorists to ensure compliance with the Sochi agreements and push the militants, along with their artillery, into the depths of the demilitarized zone.

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[LMN]

This is manly.

[Vadim Zhivov]

But for me it’s too weak and soft ... It would be possible to run into serious negotiations before the talks

[LMN]

Quote: VadimLives

But for me it’s too weak and soft ... It would be possible to run into serious negotiations before the talks

What is even more serious ?! They were accused of international terrorism, in fact!

[Vadim Zhivov]

Blame it, don’t blame it, but it doesn’t hurt, they listen to our words ... It's a pity ... Apparently the truth hurts my eyes ...

[LMN]

This makes it possible for the Russian Federation to attack Turkish formations without much discussion.

[Bomb]

The opportunity gives, but we are not going to fight the Turks.

[LMN]

Quote: Bomb

The opportunity gives, but no one is going to fight the Turks.

Reported to you from the General Staff?

And what is there from the Turkish headquarters?

[Black_Vatnik]

What is even more serious ?! They were accused of international terrorism, in fact!

Who cares in 2020? In today's reality, words do not play any role.

[LMN]

Quote: Black_Jacket

What is even more serious ?! They were accused of international terrorism, in fact!

Who cares in 2020? In today's reality, words do not play any role.

This is the first step.

[Black_Vatnik]

The first step was the construction of the Turkish stream)

[LMN]

I wish you were right.

[Anatoly 288]

Express deep concern. Edik actively defends his interests, why are we shy?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Anatoly 288

Express deep concern. Edik actively defends his interests, why are we shy?

Yes, it’s kind of not shy. Apparently, Edik was taught a good lesson for the fact that Ankara does not fulfill its obligations for the demilitarization of Idlib, which she had to do before September 15, 2018, but did not. Half of the province of Edik was squeezed. Now they have introduced military police to Sarakib in order to show that this city remains behind Assad. The Turks strengthened their presence with the reinforced areas of the militants, as if also for the purpose of showing that they would not move further. Tomorrow, most likely during the negotiations, the GDP and Erdogan will come to an agreement that they will consolidate the existing line of demarcation and reduce tension. Return to the line that was reached in Sochi, which Erdogan insists will no longer be, and he will either have to accept what he will be given or refuse, and then military operations to depress all Idlib will resume in full, which is fraught with a big war. Iran has already signaled Edik that he strongly disagrees with his actions. So it is thought that tomorrow the most prevailing realities will consolidate and offer Edik the same thing - sort out the moderates from the irresponsible on their own, but already on the circumcised territory.

[Anatoly 288]

I really do not want to, but tomorrow our positions will be lost. According to Idlib, I will repeat once again that I do not want this

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Anatoly 288

I really don’t feel like it, but tomorrow our positions will be lost.

And on what, to be objective, is such confidence based? As for me, a compromise is possible only if the parties stop at the result. There will be no return to the borders agreed upon during the Sochi agreement. If Ankara does not agree, then the offensive will continue, because the aggravation of the situation became possible not in view of the actions of Russia and Damascus, but in view of the inaction of Ankara. In principle, it will not take long to wait until tomorrow, but it will be visible there.

[Yuyuka]

. In principle, it will not take long to wait until tomorrow, but it will be visible there.
you can invite your "dear friend" to stay in Russia for two weeks while a "compromise" is reached in Idlib

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Yuyuka

you can invite your "dear friend" to stay in Russia for two weeks while a "compromise" is reached in Idlib

As an option, why not ?!

[Igluxnumx]

Because we do not protect our interests with bandit methods.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: VadimLives

But for me it’s too weak and soft ... It would be possible to run into serious negotiations before the talks

But the military does not understand the position of our leadership, so they don’t want to run ahead of the engine. Although the situation itself is quite transparent. Syria itself is useless to us in fact, we have almost no interests there, at least not comparable with our interests in Turkey. But to surrender to the Turks the allies - to be dishonored to the ears, both on the world stage and at home where it is not so good with the latest tricks in domestic politics. That's balancing ...

[Stalllker]

How is it no interest ?!)))) the oil and gas industry, the restoration of Syria as a whole, many billions of projects !!!! Advertising Russian weapons and the Russian Federation as a guarantor in the fight against terrorism

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Stalllker

oil and gas industry, the restoration of Syria as a whole, many billions of projects !!!!

Who will pay us for them for multibillion-dollar projects? Again on credit? Syria is under sanctions, international currency accounts are frozen, industry is destroyed, agricultural irrigation systems are also there, and without them, nothing special grows on that scale in that desert on an industrial scale. Half of the population remained, with the richest, most educated and able-bodied left. Who had a conscience left and are now fighting. As for oil, we are reducing production from transactions with OPEC not from a lack of our own oil. Its already in excess of the market. Our interest here is rather that Syrian oil does not get on the market any longer. and that oil is all in the Kurdish half, and to scratch it will be that another task. The Americans, leaving stopudovo, will blow up the wells, and there is especially no one to restore, nothing and nothing ... I am not saying that they should be abandoned. We have undertaken obligations - it is necessary to fulfill. And the Turks to expel, and the Americans in the future. And the base there is not bad. And we will make a reputation. But do not lie to ourselves that the restoration of Syria economically will bring us anything but losses.

[Stalllker]

Blah blah blah blah

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Stalllker

Blah blah blah blah

How informative and informative ...

[Stalllker]

But right in the hole

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Stalllker

But right in the hole
Reply

But in essence of the issue under discussion are thoughts, or only verbal diarrhea? I just don’t see significant flaws in my position, apparently unlike you. I wonder what I think is wrong and why?

[Stalllker]

You are a person far from the economy, so explaining something to you is a waste of time

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Stalllker

You are a person far from the economy, so explaining something to you is a waste of time

Interesting logic ...

[askort154]

Stalllker ....How is this no interest ?!)))) oil and gas industry,

Our presence in Syria is not oil and gas. This is the military-strategic presence of Russia in the Mediterranean, which is the underbelly of Europe "and the Middle East. 30 years later, we re-established our military bases there for 49 years. Therefore, we must retain power there, loyal to Russia.

[Stalllker]

You think narrowly

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Stalllker

You think narrowly

In Syria, oil has a maximum of $ 400 million per year (comparable to the income of Russian billionaires - private individuals), Assad has no money and is not expected, except for a military presence in the Eastern Mediterranean, control of oil prices for BV by influencing the political processes by the presence of the RF Armed Forces bases in the region and the disposal of Russian-speaking barmalei, there are no tasks in Syria. About gas pipelines, tenders for restoration, development of deposits in a foreign unstable state - fairy tales of the Vienna Woods.

[fk7777777]

It’s not even in the interests, but that the USA is creating bases according to the anaconda plan around Russia, so we cut through the window, pulling the anus on the propeller ...

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: fk7777777

It’s not even in the interests, but that the USA is creating bases according to the anaconda plan around Russia, so we cut through the window, pulling the anus on the propeller ...

We will never catch up with the states in conventional weapons. Not with a 20-fold difference in military budgets. In Soviet times, they couldn’t, now what then. Our parity is based on nuclear weapons, let it remain so. A serious army should at least sometimes fight. Without this, the level of training and equipment falls, and everything turns into a booth. Americans once every 4-5 years, arrange a new war. Do we need to go this way? We went already in Afghanistan. Strategic containment is more effective. No matter how many bases you build around Russia, you won’t do anything with ICBMs flying across the pole and with SSBN missiles. Everyone understands everything, therefore, there are no thoughts in the states to seriously fight with us. So what to consider Syria as a strategic argument in a dispute with the United States - well, somehow you don’t find it strange? What we have there forces to link all US forces in the BV? Or supply routes to keep the base in the event of a global war?

[Stalllker]

Olezhka or whatever you like. We have long overtaken everyone for a long time !!! We have a means of causing unacceptable damage to any country and therefore no one will fight with us !!! And let the US build what they want and how much they want, the fatter their budget, the more they will cut it, and in the USA they know how worse than ours

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Stalllker

Olezhka or whatever you like. We have long overtaken everyone for a long time !!! We have a means of causing unacceptable damage to any country and therefore no one will fight with us !!! And let the US build what they want and how much they want, the fatter their budget, the more they will cut it, and in the USA they know how worse than ours

I wrote this in response to the comment above just a few other words.

[Stalllker]

I added to you that we have long overtaken everyone

[DenZ]

In my opinion, it was immediately clear that it was not necessary to let this small ruminant into the garden, it wanted to spit on an agreement, the main thing was let in. Kicking him out now will be a lot harder.

[Terenin]

Quote: DenZ

In my opinion, it was immediately clear that it was not necessary to let this small ruminant into the garden, it wanted to spit on an agreement, the main thing was let in. Kicking him out now will be a lot harder.

Yes, it all depends on the time and effectiveness of changing the tactics of warfare from Syria. I mean, Turkey’s large-scale use of shock drones ...

[Boris55]

Quote: Terenin

I mean, Turkey’s large-scale use of shock drones ...

They were all shot down (2 heavy, 6 light). There is nothing more to fly. They ended at the Turks.
Expensive is a pleasure, and those that remain no longer fly, it’s a pity.

[urik62]

Where does the information come from? Can you link?

[Terenin]

Quote: Boris55

Quote: Terenin

I mean, Turkey’s large-scale use of shock drones ...

They were all shot down (2 heavy, 6 light). There is nothing more to fly. They ended at the Turks.
Expensive is a pleasure, and those that remain no longer fly, it’s a pity.

Hardly over It is elementary that the second echelon of drones should be thought out by the headquarters ...
Or there ??

[Boris55]

Quote: Terenin

Or there ... ???

Yes, and our general staff and our advisers there seem to be wrong
We fought with the Turks 16 times. They have never won. They won’t win this time either.

Quote: urik62

Where does the information come from? Can you link?

Article on VO "Turkish drones in Idlib: how they are shot down by the air defense of Syria":
https://topwar.ru/168490-zagadka-sbityh-bespilotnikov-kak-pvo-sirii-sbivaet-tureckie-bpla.html

[Terenin]

Quote: Boris55

Article on VO "Turkish drones in Idlib: how they are shot down by the air defense of Syria":

Well, nobody canceled the drone ...

[Boris55]

Quote: Terenin

Well, nobody canceled the drone ...

Does it look like a drone?

[Terenin]

Quote: Boris55

Quote: Terenin

Well, nobody canceled the drone ...

Does it look like a drone?

This is the next step. : -determination of a dropped object ... but related to a "drone fall"

[GRIGORIY76]

We fought with the Turks 16 times. They have never won. They won’t win this time either.

I don’t know how many wars there were, but in 3 Turks won. You confuse something.

[ultra]

As far as it is known, 6 out of 10 that were available were shot down. Turks had about 100 light lungs, but they only carry 50 kg of cargo.

[tekinoral]

[i] [/ i] shot down a total of 3 drones,

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: tekinoral

[i] [/ i] shot down a total of 3 drones,

Three Anka? Four Turkish drones Haftarovtsy only in Libya dropped + 6 in Syria. I don’t know how many of them Anok and Bayraktarov are, but in three weeks 10 drummers in the red.

[Loess]

Quote: DenZ

In my opinion, it was immediately clear that it was not necessary to let this small ruminant into the garden,

Not the fact that there was an opportunity not to let in. This "animal" could have entered without permission and began to shit much earlier.

[fk7777777]

Well, you can, and not expel, just fry in the same place.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: DenZ

In my opinion, it was immediately clear that it was not necessary to let this small ruminant into the garden, it wanted to spit on an agreement, the main thing was

Turks, like ticks, cling, and it’s hard to pull out.

[bessmertniy]

Well, what is incomprehensible here - the Turks already thought that they had practically integrated Idlib, and they were shown the way out. And they, in order to keep the province behind them, made a deal with the devil himself.

[rotmistr60]

Turkish posts in Idlib fused with militant fortified areas

All right, only posts. Turkey itself, led by Erdogan, has long grown together with terrorists.

[Grandfather Crimea]

Well, they said that in Europe interested muzzles all know this very well. Someone rubs the handles aside, someone nervously spits, and some silently and quickly build up defenses in the way of the Syrians, thinking or sure exactly what will drive, this is only a question. The task of releasing was greatly complicated. We are observing.

[Siberian]

I would like to hear every time "The firing point has been destroyed", rather than concerns and warnings. Somehow you need to react more radically. And without much explanation or apology.

[Kapral Alphych]

There, the entire Turkish army merged with the terrorists

[Tank jacket]

This explains the large losses of Turkish soldiers in Syria.

[Ura Orlov]

But Bashar thinks who the terrorists are? And this is NATO.

[Tank jacket]

Quote: LMN

Quote: VadimLives

But for me it’s too weak and soft ... It would be possible to run into serious negotiations before the talks

What is even more serious ?! They were accused of international terrorism, in fact!

And they told the Turkish people about the large losses of Turkish soldiers "observers" Bombs and shells do not distinguish between terrorist terrorists ...

[Livonetc]

Quote: ultra

As far as it is known, 6 out of 10 that were available were shot down. Turks had about 100 light lungs, but they only carry 50 kg of cargo.

And in Libya, Haftar’s troops attacked the airfield in Tripoli.
The goal was the Turkish UAV base.
Destroyed Turkish air defense system Hawk.
Aircraft hangars and temporary barracks are burning.

[Vitas]

And sho, as they say in Adessa ?! Hto not hiding, I'm not to blame! Bomb and make flower beds, fertilizers will be!

[K-50]

Contrary to the agreements, the Turkish side not only did not create a demilitarized zone in Idlib, but also contributed to the advancement in this area of ​​groups recognized by the international community, including the Russian Federation, as terrorist.

Moreover, she also armed them with heavy weapons, reconnaissance and target designation. And she herself "is not shy about" enlightening "them with intelligence.

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Bomb

The opportunity gives, but we are not going to fight the Turks.

So we are not at war with the Turks, but with terrorist gangs. But if it is impossible to separate them, then this is the fault of the Turks - their Sochi accords must be respected, and not help the barmels to shell our bases and units.

[Goldmitro]

Turkish observation posts in Syrian Idlib were located in the fortified areas of the radical groups and actually became part of them.

It is clear that this was done on purpose to allow the bandits to avoid the blows of the Russian Air Force! But the Syrian side did not give any obligations to the Turks and, I hope, can and will hammer the bandits without stopping! It would be necessary for this strengthen the capabilities of Syrian aviation!

[Balthazar]

In this situation, the Syrian Armed Forces should think about the defense of what they repulsed. It is necessary to build a layered defense. Otherwise, the Turks can easily discard and defeat the Syrian units. Do not hope that 05.03. there will be an agreement on peace. Most likely, the Turks will trample on .....