Siberian adventures of Peter Beketov: Buryats, Tungus and silver mirage


Monument to Beketov in Chita


The efficient owner of Yakutia


It’s difficult to say exactly when and where Beketov was born. Probably somewhere in the beginning of the XVII century. But in 1627, our hero was already a centurion in the Yenisei prison - a position that anyone would definitely not trust without experience.

Already in the next year, 1628, Beketov, taking 30 archers and 60 who were eager for adventure and profit of industrialists, set off on his first expedition, known to us (but certainly not the first, in principle). The task was familiar by the standards of time and place - to beat the local Tungus, attacking the Russian people. Along the way, Beketov, as a thorough man, did not forget to lay a small prison near the confluence of the Rybnaya River in the Angara. And along the way, I still collected yasak (tribute) from local tribes - almost 700 precious sable skins.

A few years later, in 1631, our hero went well to the Lena River. And there he laid the Lensky prison - the first Russian fortification in Yakutia. And not just laid, but launched a vigorous activity. Starting from the registration and taxation of duty on the production of sables, made by the hands of those same 60 industrialists, and ending with the establishment in the wild of the judicial system.

The latter was intended for all the same Russian beast hunters. When they could not share what was trapped or crossed the road in a different way, the debaters went to Beketov - the embodiment of state power in the vastness of Yakutia. And they received a verdict - not for free, of course, but by paying a fee with the same sables. The accumulated duty, almost a hundred skins, from Beketov, which is typical, did not disappear anywhere, but was delivered to the Yenisei prison in 1633. This, however, was a trifle against the background of the state’s total income from a campaign on the Lena - as many as 2500 sables.

Beketov further served on the Yenisei, then returned to the Lena to found new fortresses and beat the rebellious (not all of them were) Yakuts. He also wrote petitions to Moscow in the spirit of “increase my salary” or “let us trade in slaves from the natives.” He had reasons, however: back in 1641, Beketov’s campaigns brought the treasury 11,5 thousand rubles — colossal money for those times.

In general, he lived a normal life on the Siberian frontier.

Hard Currency Dreams


Huge money was made on furs in Siberia of the XNUMXth century - sable skins were real oil deposits of their century. The fur was called “soft gold,” and anyone was happy to lay their hands on it.

But real gold was still cooler.

Furs were put into circulation as the equivalent of money not from a good life. They occupied a considerable amount during storage and could deteriorate. And not all attempts to pay them in foreign countries were obviously doomed to good luck.

But there was nowhere to go - everything was bad with precious metals deposits in Europe. Their influx came either from the Spanish possessions in America, or from the Muslim East. To join this club having independent sources of gold or silver would be considered any country as the greatest luck.

Siberian adventures of Peter Beketov: Buryats, Tungus and silver mirage
Furs were the main wealth of Siberia. But the idea that there might also be silver, many "blew away"

And when rumors began to circulate around Siberia that somewhere on undeveloped lands there were deposits of silver, the pioneers seriously strained. It seemed that an even more tempting jackpot loomed ahead.

Race between the jails


Unfortunately, the rumors were not supported by reality - the pioneers saw silver from the natives, and thought that the deposits were nearby. In fact, the precious metals came to them through third and tenth hands, and the primary source was contacts with China. But even in the form of a mirage, thoughts about silver were too strong, and provoked real competition.

In the case of Beketov, the main competition was between the Yenisei (that is, him) and the Krasnoyarsk prison. The question was simple - whoever settles first behind Lake Baikal will put up his fortifications, make connections, and, therefore, remove the main profits from silver deposits. And no one thought to doubt that they would be found there.

It only remained to assemble an expedition earlier than sworn friends.

Yenisei voivode Afanasy Pashkov approached the matter creatively and used the alcohol monopoly. That is, he began to sell vodka at an exorbitant price - the sable hunters still had no choice. And the money for the expedition was quickly accumulated.

In June 1652, a detachment of a hundred Cossacks - the most serious force by the standards of Siberia - set out on the road. At the head of it was put Peter Beketov.

Big hike


Transbaikalia was not an absolute white spot - fragmentary information was available about the territory from individual people who came there as part of small groups. Therefore, Beketov’s detachment did not move at random.

The key to controlling the region was the Shilka River. Having fixed on it, it would be possible to send detachments along this river and its numerous tributaries. Moving on water would give speed - that is, the ability to quickly respond to unexpected events in a hostile land. Therefore, Beketov moved there.


Another (indirect) monument to the hero of our article in Chita

On the way he was constantly harassed by the Buryat raids. They managed to either beat off or avoid, quickly moving through the water - so as not to waste energy. But to get to the intended goal in one season did not work, and the Cossacks were forced to stop for the winter.

So that people do not get bored, Beketov allocated a group to visit the Buryats - so that it was not inconsequential to rob Cossacks on a campaign. The visit was successful - the natives were taken by surprise and beaten hard. In one of the settlements, they captured the wife of a Yakut prince, who regularly paid yasak to Russians. The Russians not only did not touch the wife who was visiting relatives, but also brought them back to Yakutia under guard - if necessary, Beketov easily used force, but he respected the agreements and tried to maintain good relations.

The whole next year was spent on the construction of prison camps on the tributaries of the Shilka and in general on the development of new territories. Much attention was paid to the collection of tribute - a solid sable treasury of 760 skins was sent to the Yenisei prison.

Tunguska problem


It only remained to establish a large prison directly on Shilka itself. But here the problems began - the local Tungus, apparently having heard about the successes of the Russians in the west, decided to unite and “pick up” Beketov before he managed to settle down. Understanding perfectly that if this is not done now, then it will be impossible to drive away the guests by any means.

They managed to lock the Cossacks in a small winter hut - without bread and horses, surrounded by enemy crowds, they would sooner or later simply die from starvation. There was only one way out - to build rafts and, under cover of night, go to where the current would carry. And it carried to the Amur River.

In the summer of 1654, Beketov and his Cossacks connected with the people of Onufriy Stepanov. A few months later they were faced with the troops of Manchu China - the first truly serious state in all the decades of the Siberian epic. But this is completely different история.

Beketov managed to take part in the defense against the Chinese of the Kumar prison. On this his traces are lost. It is believed that the pioneer lived at least until the early 1660s. Having probably still served a lot to continue expanding Russia.
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  1. Phil77 5 March 2020 06: 43 New
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    Good morning everyone! Thanks to the author! Regarding the hero of the article, of course- * child of his time *. Dare? Yes. Clever? Undoubtedly. Well, and business savvy not deprived. The Spaniards had conquistadors, we have such desperate guys. Times were so ... desperate.
    1. Catfish 5 March 2020 07: 08 New
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      Hi, hello! I join in your gratitude to the author. hi
      But still, it seems to me that the Spanish conquistadors, that our "explorers" were just "dashing people" who were close to the laws of their states. There, after all, like, or "chest in crosses", or head on the block.
      1. Phil77 5 March 2020 07: 09 New
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        Hi Konstantin, I’m running away to work, I’ll answer a bit more detailed later! hi
        1. Catfish 5 March 2020 07: 40 New
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          Seryoga, I did not have time to turn away from the monitor, as some kind of kindness slapped us with a minus. And, as usual, without explanation. Actually, I guess who comes from poison because of their own powerlessness.
          Well, on health, if it helps digestion. Details in PM. smile
          1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 09: 46 New
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            how some kind of laughter slapped us with a minus.

            I corrected both of my karma, and join the good words about the article.
            But still, it seems to me that the Spanish conquistadors, that our "explorers" were just "dashing people" who were close to the laws of their states.

            Gumilyov would call them "passionaries"! hi
            1. 3x3zsave 5 March 2020 12: 01 New
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              I corrected both karma
              Aligned. And he cleaned the chakras.
              1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 12: 03 New
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                Aligned. And he cleaned the chakras.

                not the right word - to shine. laughing Now you can dress up in a red sheet - and forth, into Hare Krishnas. soldier The fighting pirate Sea Cat will thus be enlightened and become Mahatma Gandhi. drinks
                1. Trilobite Master 5 March 2020 12: 55 New
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                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  And he cleaned the chakras.

                  Quote: Pan Kohanku
                  not the right word - to shine.

                  My grandmother said "glistens like a catоeggs " smile
                  Well, now we know where the cats have chakras.
                  1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 12: 57 New
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                    Well, now we know where the cats have chakras.

                    hence the name of the African state of Côte d'Ivoire, which is famous for its brilliant sands. Ivoire is a misreading of the word chakra. yes Africans are so Africans! request
                  2. Catfish 5 March 2020 14: 11 New
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                    Hi Michael! I neigh, I can’t, the mouse slips out of its clutches! laughing
                    It will be urgent to ask Olegitch to compose a thread about the Chakras, and not necessarily about cats.
                    Hooray! Long live the universal Chakras !!! drinks
                    1. 3x3zsave 5 March 2020 21: 29 New
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                      Hooray! Long live the universal Chakras !!!
                      Nafig- nafig !!! "Goodwill Games" we already had negative After the first - the Union collapsed, after the last - Yakovlev came to power in St. Petersburg (to push him into a swing !!!!)
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2020 11: 19 New
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        Quote: Sea Cat
        Hi, hello! I join in your gratitude to the author. hi
        But still, it seems to me that the Spanish conquistadors, that our "explorers" were just "dashing people" who were close to the laws of their states. There, after all, like, or "chest in crosses", or head on the block.

        Not so simple!
        Although this version is close to the official. “They are all Cossacks robbers. From Yermak to his last Siberian: Khabarovsk, Dzhenev, Atlasov and others. " If a successful pioneer was not a robber, then periodically, anyway, at some stage he would come into conflict with the authorities and be appointed a “thief”! Although the governors themselves did not disdain "feed". The last of the Siberian governors for bribery was executed Prince Gagarin.
        Exceptionally different! Ermak Timofeevich crossed the Stone during the reign of Ivan the Terrible. In less than a century, Okhotsk has been cut down. After one and a half, our ancestors jumped over the Pacific Ocean. Americans went to the western shores of their continent a century longer.
        Regards, Kote!
      3. Phil77 5 March 2020 15: 03 New
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        A window has formed! So what am I talking about? In my opinion, Konstantin, I would say that it was not the laws that were close to these people, but the ORDINARY of existence! of light! What are our discoverers, what * punk * conquistadors. Remember the beautiful film * Sannikov Land *!
        *There is only a moment
        between past and future
        it is he called-life *.
    2. Bar1 5 March 2020 09: 26 New
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      it would be nice to turn to the real documents of those years, for example, I’ll give a later map of Lucas Fielding for 1817, but this only emphasizes the connection of the times, and so the Amur River back in the 19th century, when these lands belonged to Tartaria was called Sokolin Oul. Sakhali Island was also called Sokolin Aul . And this is not because there were many falcons on the river and island, but because our ancestors were called Kolyans and collectively Sokolyans.

      1. Trilobite Master 5 March 2020 11: 09 New
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        Quote: Bar1
        our ancestors were called Kolyan

        Yes Yes! All is true! I even had a friend in childhood, everyone called him that - Kolyan! good
        Anyway, everything is Russian there! Well, see for yourself - Baikal. These are Russian Tartary-Cossack-strollers sitting on the shore, resting after the works of the righteous and telling each other all kinds of tales - that’s the name.
        But Sakhalin, in fact, is Sokh-lin, the Tartarians-Cossacks-wheelchairs plowed the land of plow there, after which a line remained on the ground. Soha is a line, everything is obvious. For the Japanese, these places are a sweet and unattainable dream, so they call this island in Russian - Sakharin.
        Kuril Islands - there’s no need to explain, everyone is clear. Worked, rested, smoked.
        In Khabarovsk there was a warehouse where the swag was stored.
        In general, where did what the Tartary-Cossacks-stables did, so they called that place. So it appeared, including the name Ussuri ... repeat
        What am I supposed to explain every word? Think in the end yourself!
        wassat laughing
        1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 11: 34 New
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          they did the stroller, so they called that place. So it appeared, including the name Ussuri ...

          Michael, do not generalize! stop I didn’t do Ussuri in Ussuri, I wasn’t in the Far East at all! drinks
          “Did I ruin the chapel too?”
          - No, it was before you, in the XNUMXth century!

          Although ... if the village of Bolshoi Ussuri were there, then this name would not be perceived as a Chinese word ... repeat
          I’m afraid to think about where the name of the village Kalische came from, where the powerful fort “Krasnaya Gorka” is located, which is beyond Lebyazhye ... what from the stewards of the passers-by, who put on the feet of the idler Ilya Muromets? request
          1. Trilobite Master 5 March 2020 12: 47 New
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            Quote: Pan Kohanku
            I didn’t do Ussuri on Ussuri

            No, my dear Nikolai, it will not work. Answer us for all Kolyanov. yes
            Is it because of you that the name Hua (i) nhe, or the Yellow River, got its name? Who did her great Ussuri in it? What about the Yang Zi River? Who and to whom did the Yangtze roll up there? Who in Beijing was peking, Harbin in Harbin, and in Mu (k) dene mukdil? Answer the enlightened public! Not Kolyany?
            1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 12: 54 New
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              Not Kolyany?

              uhhhh ... recourse and then laundered at the Moika, depicting a fountain on the corner of the house on the Fontanka? repeat ... Kolyany ... recourse you have pinned me up, Mikhail, I was competent, they put everything on the shelves .... recourse as if everything in the Chinese chronicles is documented with the records of scribes (also Kolyanov) of external observation. sad
              1. Trilobite Master 5 March 2020 13: 08 New
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                Yes, you, Kolyany, need an eye and an eye and another eye is needed. Didn’t you use Anada (s) in the Kuril Islands before full Hokkaido? What did you teach the inhabitants of Yamato - to swear with a yamata? Shikoku Ho (n) shu - sitoku Kyushu (as much as I want - eat as much. Distorted Russian) is your Kolyan cultural exchange? Be ashamed, dear.
                Quote: Pan Kohanku
                you, Mikhail, have correctly

                I must admit that without our Bar1 exposure would not have been so loud and spectacular. Thank him.
                1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 13: 24 New
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                  Is this your Kolyan cultural exchange?

                  Mikado fans listened and said - "oh well! well these bearded! Better riveting anime with Pokemon and Sailormoon! " stop From that moment on, they don’t like Ainu-Kolyan! angry The only word they borrow is "pagoda." Initially, these structures were built by towers for meteorological observations, and they were called "weather". request
                  "Harakiri" is also a Kolyan word. When one Ainu-Kolyan changed his name to Cyril and wanted to circumcise himself with a view of Fujiyama, the rest of the strollers shouted from afar - "Harae, Kirya! What are you doing!" belay And yes, Mount Fuji is a dump of soil from a pit arranged by carriages as they deepened Tokyo harbor. First they dug a hole, then they poured a mountain, wiped their forehead and said wearily: "Fuuuuu .....". wassat And then they took sake (which they themselves did in the Kolyan way), and made a sound ji glasses. So it turned out: Fu Ji Yama. From ancient Kolian translates as "dump from the ground, cultivated with great difficulty, and thoroughly washed". drinks
                  Michael! drinks We are really wasting time! request It is necessary, it is necessary to stir up our own faith, and with miracles! As Father Paisius bequeathed in the movie "Wii". By the way, the substitute Father Paisius was called Father Paisius. yes
                  1. Trilobite Master 5 March 2020 13: 39 New
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                    And is a Muslim brothel in the far north-east of the Kalyan-Tartar oikumeny also your job? Magadan, how is it right - “Many ladies” or “Mage ladies”?
                    Quote: Pan Kohanku
                    you need to stir up your own faith, and with miracles!

                    Better with blackjack and whores. smile Miracles are to Fomenko. We are real boys.
                    1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 13: 40 New
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                      We are real boys.

                      We were born to make a fairy tale come true! In kolyansky! fellow do not evade! Your new chronology will turn out even better! wink
                      Magadan, how is it right - “Many ladies” or “Mage ladies”?

                      "We can - I will give!" drinks
                      Once I wanted to buy my own a teddy bear. I typed in the internet, looked at the catalog. Names of bears: Mika's bear. Bear Benya. Bear Magician. and a bunch of names. Girls, choose any! wink drinks
                      1. Trilobite Master 5 March 2020 13: 52 New
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                        Quote: Pan Kohanku
                        new chronology

                        I can only "chrenology" work. Of course, I would not want to take bread from urologists (not to be confused with ufologists), but there is nothing to be done. Nofing staff, an online business. laughing
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                        Nofing staff, an online business.

                        You can’t build a business without personnel.
                        I can only "chrenology" work.

                        I have more the word "chronology" comes to the distortion of history. what
                        From your submission ... Let me name my character from the avatar - "Lord Tyrion Kolyanister". He is - In the Bath Loaf! drinks and what? sounds proud to a sullen dwarf with a glass! laughing
        2. Bar1 5 March 2020 18: 44 New
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          Quote: Pan Kohanku
          Fort "Red Hill"


          about the city of Red Mountain, there is one near Beijing on the other side of the videoconferencing.
          Map of 1739; Mongols lived nearby in Sinhala.

          1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 22: 53 New
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            about the city of Red Mountain

            I'm talking about the fort at Peter, which with fire of 305-mm guns could block any movement on the Gulf of Finland in the direction of Kronstadt. Built before the First World War, and not the Chinese.
            mongals

            I have a weakness ... I like to fry meat on the grill ... winked
            1. Astra wild 6 March 2020 09: 24 New
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              I like to eat barbecue, but I don’t know how to fry. When we went to nature, the husband himself prepared a barbecue: "women should not be allowed to barbecue: they will spoil everything"
              1. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 09: 30 New
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                When we went to nature, the husband himself prepared a barbecue: "women should not be allowed to barbecue: they will spoil everything"

                No offense, but I completely agree with him! drinks Still, barbecue is a man’s job. hi
      2. Aviator_ 5 March 2020 21: 53 New
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        Before the Romans, the Etruscans lived on the Apennine peninsula; their origin is still a mystery to Western scholars. This is a mystery to them, but then everything is clear to the Etruscans - these are Russians!
        1. Trilobite Master 5 March 2020 23: 46 New
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          I look forward to the next Digital History festival. They announce the main theme of the exposure of historical myths, including about the Etruscans - why they are not Russian. smile We will see. smile
          1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 23: 58 New
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            including about the Etruscans - why are they not Russian.

            The authorities will hide! request Masons led by Anglo-Jewish capital are not profitable to give out information about the builders of the pyramids! stop Jews blew up Santorin (there were no Anglo-Saxons then), they also drank water, a generally proven fact! laughing colleagues - no offense to anyone! drinks
    3. Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2020 11: 21 New
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      Well, how without it!
      Hang out a couple of three "real documents of those years" draw?
      1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 11: 55 New
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        Hang out a couple of three "real documents of those years" draw?

        Vlad, immediately draw an analogue of the scripture from Marmont, with pictures. yes Probably a ride from him, and we will gather the flock for scavenging. wink We will appoint Michael as a preacher, his tongue is suspended - he will blast out such tangerines that everyone will fall to his knees, and the honestly accumulated ones will be handed to us. good it remains for him to sew a cassock with rhinestones, and to grow a beard a la Leo Tolstoy. soldier
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2020 12: 36 New
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          Here I am Nikolai and split you, in the patriarchs - "Kolyan" are going to shut up !!!
          Well, if you bounce off the "Marmons" - polygamy and all that? Still mother-in-law somewhere to put .....?
          To Sokha-lin to send, or something ....
          hi
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            chopped up

            Vlad rasKolol Kolyana ... good to the patriarchs ... if it doesn’t work out to the patriarchs, I’ll torture my schism with rum and bacchantes, and my followers will be called "stroller-races"! fellow I have a beard (Anton will confirm!), I’ll sew a robe from a dressing gown, it remains to save up for epitrachil and a camille. Damn, sheer expenses! request And yes, I quietly shoe in terms! hi repent sinners! drinks
            Still mother-in-law somewhere to put .....?

            (with a serious face): on a separate island with crocodiles. Nothing should interfere with personal happiness! soldier laughing
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              to a separate island with crocodiles.
              "But for this, father, and you can put a party card on the table !!!"
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                "But for this, father, and you can put a party card on the table !!!"

                "And then you figs at the party meeting!" stop
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                  "And then you figs at the party meeting!"

                  "And we will not give you Komsomol members to the procession." request
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                    "And we will not give you Komsomol members to the procession."

                    Ah, to hell with us Komsomol members ?! Then to hell with you monks on a cleanup! stop
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                      Ah, to hell with us Komsomol members ?! Then to hell with you monks on a cleanup!

                      Well, you know, this is sabotage! Then nuns in the bathhouse and do not ask !!! am
                    2. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 16: 38 New
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                      Well, you know, this is sabotage! Then nuns in the bathhouse and do not ask !!!

                      Konstantin, now it’s time to put your membership card on you laughing repent sinner! drinks
                    3. Catfish 5 March 2020 16: 54 New
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                      I am forced to disappoint: I have never been in any party, but they kicked out of the Komsomol exactly before being called up for service. request
                      And for that matter, then Nehai will be the first to put his party card comrade. Gerasimov, who wrote this work in 1938 under the name "Bath". request
                      And so it turns out that for someone painting and high art, then for some other banal pornography. And here we are talking about a membership card. bully drinks
                      Speaking of saunas ...

                      Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres "Turkish Baths". smile
                    4. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 17: 06 New
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                      Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres "Turkish Baths".

                      I'm not really in painting ... wink this is Mordvin-Vladimir - that is yes. yes Especially in Bruegel! drinks
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                      In this painting, I am also not very, although it is Picasso. request

                      But Bruegel is good! drinks
                    6. Korsar4 5 March 2020 20: 34 New
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                      "Wherever they say it,
                      All the same, they’ll bring to the women "(almost (s)).
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                      "A good horse is more important to a Cossack,
                      To the steppe under the hooves sang,
                      Hot blade, yes harmony,
                      And women are the last thing! "(C)))
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                      "I told him, I said: taverns and women will be brought to the zugunder" (c).
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                      "I'm sitting behind bars in a damp dungeon,
                      Feeding a young eagle! "(C)
                      Favorite song of one of the "generals" of the great Ichkeria. laughing
                    10. Korsar4 5 March 2020 21: 09 New
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                      "Only a checker Cossack in the steppe girlfriend,
                      Only a Cossack saber wife in the steppe "(c).
                    11. Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2020 21: 51 New
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                      First thing, first thing airplanes!
                      Well, the girls, and the girls later!
                      (WITH). hi
                    12. Korsar4 5 March 2020 21: 59 New
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                      "And the planes themselves do not fly ...
                      But the ships themselves do not sail.
                      And mothers don’t always understand us,
                      But still, someday they will understand "(c).
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                      And the planes themselves do not fly

                      Repent all wholesale, sinners! drinks both cats and corsairs! all, all repent and fast! drinks
                    14. Korsar4 5 March 2020 23: 11 New
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                      "If you can, old man, then forgive me, forgive me my sins,
                      I want to start my new life here "(c).

                      Interestingly, what does lenten behavior on a site mean?
                      Rejection of jokes? You might think about this topic.

                      Probably, let the face be not gloomy.

                      Well, I’ll refrain from rum - let it stand where it was set, no less than before April.
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                      Well, I’ll refrain from rum - let it stand where it was set, no less than before April.

                      Despondency is an even greater sin, a sinner! stop And you can not give up the little joys of the world for the sake of a great goal, but dubiously evil! am Well .. let's go and get a glass! Sin is not great, letting go! yes go in peace! (signature - Mikado's father) drinks
                      "A scream is like thunder:
                      Give people a rum! "
                      (Kish)
                    16. Korsar4 5 March 2020 23: 35 New
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                      About despondency - I completely agree.
                      Rum, anyway, is at work.

                      The daughter said: “The church is in Guatemala. There the deity is Maximus. He is given cigars to smoke and alcohol is poured.
                      And it’s considered good: to sit nearby, to smoke a cigar, to drink. "

                      Maybe something - I didn’t understand it, or I didn’t retell it so much - do not blame me.
                    17. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 23: 50 New
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                      There the deity is Maximus. They give him cigars and pour alcohol.

                      You know, Sergey, there is a joke.
                      A woman's voice is heard from a booth in a clothing store:
                      - Darling, here's a pair of shirts for you. And here are jeans and a suit for a festive occasion ..
                      The answer of the man:
                      - Well .. why all this? Sorry for the money ...
                      Female:
                      - Nothing, you know, it will not affect the budget. I make good money .. Try on, darling!
                      Male voice from a nearby booth:
                      “Yes, you are just a saint!” So many gifts to her husband to make! So much attention!
                      Woman, a little embarrassed:
                      - No, man, you are wrong! I have a lot of flaws! For example, I smoke and can drink ...
                      The same male voice:
                      - Lord, you can have a bump with you !!!!!!


                      Sergey, yes it's just St. Saint! good drinks

                      Rum, anyway, is at work.

                      - Everybody dance! (c) Tsar Peter the Great drinks
                    18. Korsar4 5 March 2020 23: 55 New
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                      Mikado believed in St. Maximon.

                      And Mikado is his prophet?
                      If a society is created, it can be assumed that membership dues will be used.
                    19. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 00: 02 New
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                      If a society is created, it can be assumed that membership dues will be used.

                      Correctly understood - on women of red gingerbread, a booze buoyant and the construction of the vertical of a totalitarian sect named after Mikado to convey true faith to lost souls! soldier Repent, sinners, and taste the sacraments in the company of St. Maximon, and believe in Mikado! fellow and build mansions for him and Sergey, his mastermind! For faith without your personal mansion in your Preacher is the greatest sin! am
                    20. Korsar4 6 March 2020 00: 08 New
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                      The way to the knights through the construction of the castle? What only on our site you will not learn.
                    21. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 00: 18 New
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                      The way to the knights through the construction of the castle?

                      To hell with the castle, Sergey! Knightly novels were written for exalted young ladies, and when a noble knight appeared in their lives, these same young ladies instantly became arrogant babes, thought it was a must, and wiped fat legs about the same knight! negative
                      No! We will immediately muddle either the abbey with the lands and dependent peysans in the pose of “what you please” and the right of the first long night, or a cunning guild with branches around the world! wink drinks yes, and greenhouses too! drinks it would be possible to promote a theme with a superethnos, but Mr. Samsonov had a little fuss before us ... request
                      Believe in Mikado, sinners! we watching After you..... am
                    22. Korsar4 6 March 2020 00: 32 New
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                      That is, islands for Sancho Panza will not be enough?

                      The guild is interesting. What is the selection criterion?
                      How does Vaska Buslaev have a cup of green wine to drink?
                    23. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 00: 38 New
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                      That is, islands for Sancho Panza will not be enough?

                      It depends on which ... Nuriev also bought an island - so there is no water on it! request but you had to immediately buy with palm trees, water and mulattos! But the mulattos were not interesting to Nuriev .. he mulattos liked more ... no but in vain! among the mulattos there are the most delicious chocolate ladies! good
                      How does Vaska Buslaev have a cup of green wine to drink?

                      Bliiiin ... belay This is the task ... and by what principle have we all become friends with VO? what By the principle of accepting each other, and the ability to resolve disagreements with humor? drinks "The bowl is green of wine" I only rolled with Anton while ... what it would be necessary to repeat ......... wink
                    24. Korsar4 6 March 2020 00: 45 New
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                      Some facets probably coincide.
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                      Some facets probably coincide.

                      Mirrors reflect each other
                      Mutually distorting reflections.

                      My unsubscribed to me in SMS, when they just started dating ... what
                      I don’t know .. Become a fatalist. If people are together, then it’s necessary. soldier God grant that! drinks
                  2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 March 2020 09: 10 New
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                    Gee-gee, Nikolai and a rolling pin (for drinking alcohol on the eve of International Women's Day) from the missus !!! Although it is possible to heat a frying pan here? They can incriminate (discussion of naked women in the bath)! Moreover, Anton with his impressionism will leave "you can’t tell where the horses are, where the women are, where the bathhouse!"
                    Mikado is probably scamming! Dear Mistress for three, not for ten sausages, ready to tell .....!
                    To Shrovetide, and to whom March in the rib !!!
                    Nikolay don’t be offended! I could not resist joking, Mikado is his boyfriend, the more you can take twenty sausages from the Boss, and every month !!!
                    Regards, Vlad!
                  3. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 09: 23 New
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                    Mikado is probably scamming! Dear Mistress for three, not for ten sausages, ready to tell .....!

                    This market analyst knows exactly who you can behave with! wink She’s silent with me, but she screams at my dear, I’ll turn my back a little - “come on, eat!” fellow
                    They can incriminate (discussion of naked women in the bath)!

                    To discuss is not to marry! stop laughing For once, I’m trying to become "right" .... soldier Although about the abbey with peysans - you have to think! drinks
                2. Astra wild 6 March 2020 09: 36 New
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                  "among the mulattos there are the most delicious chocolate ladies," and we are worse than mulattoes?
                  They say that the mulattos are terribly jealous. Please be careful with them.
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                  They say that the mulattos are terribly jealous. Please be careful with them.

                  I only externally evaluated, did not touch my hands! wink
                  and we are worse than mulattos?

                  Ours are the best! Regardless of nationality and phenotype! love
                4. Astra wild 6 March 2020 10: 31 New
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                  Well, thanks, because I was afraid that some mulatto might kill you
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                  Well, thanks, because I was afraid that some mulatto might kill you

                  Do you think mulattoes are peculiar? I thought they would rather strangle with a vine ... what
  2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 March 2020 09: 14 New
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    And the planes themselves do not fly

    Repent all wholesale, sinners! drinks both cats and corsairs! all, all repent and fast! drinks

    First we fast at the bowl, then we repent on a full stomach!
  3. Astra wild 6 March 2020 09: 27 New
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    "the first thing is airplanes and women then"
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    He painted beautiful girls. I may have lagged behind life, but such paintings are more valuable to me than Picasso or the primitivists.
    All proportions are observed here and you want to admire, and you look at the creations of some primitivists or avant-garde artists and are afraid that you will dream at night
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    All proportions are observed here and you want to admire, and you look at the creations of some primitivists or avant-garde artists and are afraid that you will dream at night

    You too repent! All, all repent! (see above). Create a new cult of the cat Mikado! drinks
    Astra - what is your name? I’m already tired of calling the forum participant by nickname, I want to by name, to be honest! love
  6. Astra wild 6 March 2020 09: 49 New
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    Mom called: Little Witch.
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    Accepted. I don’t promise to call a parasite, Faith - let me? hi
  8. Astra wild 6 March 2020 10: 32 New
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    For God's sake, are you Nikolai?
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    For God's sake, are you Nikolai?

    Yeah. And you can Karol Stanislav Radziwill, aka Panah Kohanku. drinks
  • Korsar4 5 March 2020 20: 32 New
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    March is coming.

    The songs are sung:
    "If I were a sultan -
    Would be single "(c).
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2020 20: 50 New
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      We still have winter in the Urals! Here in a month, heating mains will thaw and concerts will begin !!!
      yes
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        And we have a strange hybrid of March and April.

        And by plants, and by birds, and by cats.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2020 21: 02 New
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          Alas, I can’t upload photos to VO!
          request
          1. Phil77 6 March 2020 08: 19 New
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            Hi Nikolay! To my shame recourse .... I also can not do it .... photos ... upload. hi
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 March 2020 09: 17 New
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              Sergey You again missed this Vlad !!!
              winked
              There is nothing to be ashamed of for some reason not a functional button for confirming the calculation of the photo.
            2. Phil77 6 March 2020 14: 12 New
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              Vlad! For God's sake, again, again, but, I'm sorry! One sorry, I did not drink coffee at work at that moment !!! hi
            3. Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 March 2020 14: 22 New
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              Sergey - everything is fine!
      2. Astra wild 6 March 2020 10: 35 New
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        Kotya, but I thought I just couldn’t. True, I still thought the tablet was to blame.
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          I used to succeed, but after loading the photo, the “button” does not appear at the bottom to insert the photo. Why dont know!!! request
  • Bar1 5 March 2020 21: 44 New
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    Hang out a couple of three "real documents of those years" draw?

    draw, look at your work ...
  • is-22 5 March 2020 07: 32 New
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    Everyone wanted to grab gold. So they mastered new lands. Along the way, the local robbed. They just did not accept newcomers. Like any people in the world.
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      Quote: is-22
      Everyone wanted to grab gold


      no, not so at that time gold in Russia did not play such a role. For money it was possible to purchase small goods, but it was IMPOSSIBLE to buy land. The land belonged to the tsar and was given by the tsar for merits to the Fatherland.
      1. 3x3zsave 5 March 2020 12: 02 New
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        "Where's the map, Billy? Do we need a map?" (WITH)
        1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 12: 18 New
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          "Where's the map, Billy? Do we need a map?" (WITH)

          "I have no card!" (C)
        2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2020 12: 38 New
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          Anton, what ace of suit do you draw? Tambourines and spikes! laughing
          1. 3x3zsave 5 March 2020 12: 40 New
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            I’m from St. Petersburg. Definitely, "Crosses"!
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2020 12: 44 New
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              Quote: 3x3zsave
              I’m from St. Petersburg. Definitely, "Crosses"!

              Well, tell me tales. Kresti is you Anton gathered in the secret vault of the Vatican, went for cards!
              1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 12: 50 New
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                Kresti is you Anton gathered in the secret vault of the Vatican, went for cards!

                Yeah. As an urbanist, a fan of Pope Urban on the 44th laughing
                I’m from St. Petersburg. Definitely, "Crosses"!

                tip to tongue. am By the way, they were relocated, like, to Kolpino?
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2020 12: 57 New
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                  Ento is like a “buoy”, well, if the blood gets drunk!
                2. 3x3zsave 5 March 2020 13: 12 New
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                  Schaaaz !!! Everything works, every day I go by. And what could have been built in Kolpino when at this facility 2 years ago they scooped up kickbacks of 300 million?
                  1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 13: 29 New
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                    SK kickbacks for 300 million dig?

                    There, it seems, the criminal case was on the developer? soldier
                    1. 3x3zsave 5 March 2020 13: 54 New
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                      Not only the developer, there all the Federal Penitentiary Service in St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Region were shaking like a pear.
                      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2020 15: 13 New
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                        We have a pre-trial detention center in Yekaterinburg opposite the Yekaterinburg-Arena. Someone advanced in Spanish scared the Mexicans that you will behave badly .....
                        Poor in ponchos and sobrero guys, almost rushed back to their homeland, when someone of good intentions, watching them squint at a three-meter-high fence with barbed wire across the road, did not specify that there is a church and a cemetery! There are no more places in the "prison" by the "Swedes" everything is full! So a bullet in the back of the head, chaplain buried, buried! An elderly Mexican, with a Russian balalaika grabbed a good man by the sleeve, asked - everyone! Kindness answered no - only hooligans !!! Mexicans exhaled!
                        For good, they made a protocol - “for hooliganism”!
                        According to the Swedes, the half-joke was true! Three Swedes were detained by a police squad when they tried to pick up a fourth in order to check how they were in the “Russian prison”. The only trouble was that they chose a fence not a pre-trial detention center, but a patriarchal flood - right to the churchyard, behind the hospital of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The PPS outfit, led the interested Scandinavians to the gate, wandered with them among the graves and dispersed, some to a hotel, others to patrol.
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                        "Russia is a generous soul!"
                    2. Astra wild 5 March 2020 18: 58 New
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                      Anton, and a lot of "pears" shocked?
                    3. 3x3zsave 5 March 2020 20: 53 New
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                      Yes, as usual, the Beautiful Stranger. After all, these trees are being fanged by a well-known subject.
                    4. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 23: 00 New
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                      After all, these trees are being fanged by a well-known subject.

                      I venture to suggest - thong? laughing I refer to the previous discussion under Ryzhov.
                    5. 3x3zsave 5 March 2020 23: 10 New
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                      Thongs - now not relevant, now in trend - "tunbergs" !!!
                    6. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 23: 13 New
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                      now in trend - "tunbergs" !!!

                      I am behind the times! request “Tunbergs” are thongs for schizophrenic fat-basses, but without the greenhouse effect? Or what?
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                      The Swedish "Komsomol member, sportsman" and environmental activist, from whom "childhood was stolen." laughing
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                      The Swedish "Komsomol member, sportsman" and environmental activist, from whom "childhood was stolen."

                      mustache be added to this facial expression - the possessed Fuhrer would have turned out laughing
                    9. Catfish 6 March 2020 14: 08 New
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                      And Greta Tunberg has already been compared with Hitler, her facial expressions during performances. The network has photos next to her and Adolf Aloisevich. wassat
                    10. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 14: 17 New
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                      And Greta Tunberg has already been compared with Hitler, her facial expressions during performances. The network has photos next to her and Adolf Aloisevich.

                      Similar grimaces? You’re thinking about Hitler — how could this possessed clown make an entire nation? But he turned on! request
                      A bit of humor. This is just a song from the cartoon screen saver. Just a German translation, for German children. If you add the desired video sequence - it turns out quite a Nazi march! wassat
                    11. Catfish 6 March 2020 14: 23 New
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                      Very impressive! soldier
                    12. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 14: 26 New
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                      Very impressive!

                      Yeah, and the possessed Hitler in the curtain!
            2. Phil77 6 March 2020 14: 09 New
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              But seriously, it’s a poor, sick girl, who is used for mercenary purposes by bad, very bad people.
            3. Catfish 6 March 2020 14: 13 New
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              Well, I don’t know how sick she is, but it’s certain that they are using her.
            4. Phil77 6 March 2020 14: 15 New
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              Alas. Sick. It's a shame that such, well, let's call it uncleanliness, is becoming the norm. In those circles.
      2. Phil77 6 March 2020 14: 05 New
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        How?! Again?! Again these thongs?!?!?! am laughing laughing laughing
      3. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 14: 19 New
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        How?! Again?! Again these thongs?!?!?!

        Astra never answered. request We must go to Ryzhov to ask what he would prefer .... laughing
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        But the comments. laughing
  • Astra wild 6 March 2020 09: 53 New
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    My poet, I understand you
  • Phil77 6 March 2020 14: 28 New
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    And our Butyrka also functions quite well. Although there was talk of reprofiling to ..... a hotel! laughing
  • Undecim 5 March 2020 13: 03 New
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    The author raised a very interesting topic. However, the presentation of material in the style of a kind of "sharp" does visible harm to the historical authenticity of the presentation of events.
    Here is an example.
    Unfortunately, the rumors were not supported by reality - the pioneers saw silver from the natives, and thought that the deposits were nearby. In fact, the precious metals came to them through third and tenth hands, and the primary source was contacts with China. But even in the form of a mirage, thoughts about silver were too strong, and provoked real competition.
    In the case of Beketov, the main competition was between the Yenisei (that is, him) and the Krasnoyarsk prison. The question was simple - whoever settles first behind Lake Baikal will put up his fortifications, make connections, and, therefore, remove the main profits from silver deposits. And no one thought to doubt that they would be found there.
    It only remained to assemble an expedition earlier than sworn friends.
    Yenisei voivode Afanasy Pashkov approached the matter creatively and used the alcohol monopoly. That is, he began to sell vodka at an exorbitant price - the sable hunters still had no choice. And the money for the expedition was quickly accumulated.
    In June 1652, a detachment of a hundred Cossacks - the most serious force by the standards of Siberia - set out on the road. At the head of it was put Peter Beketov.

    It may seem that the development of ore deposits in Siberia is a kind of adventurous epic of local pioneers - “passionaries” in pursuit of profits.
    In reality, everything happened very differently.
    First, since the sixteenth century there was a state monopoly on the development of deposits of silver, copper and tin ores. Therefore, no profits, except for the reward for the found deposit, was impossible to disrupt in principle.
    Secondly, the exploration of silver ores in Siberia began long before Beketov, and it did not happen on the basis of rumors.
    A systematic collection of information about the "Silver Mountains" was imputed to the Siberian governors at the beginning of the XVII century and already in 1618 the first expedition of Bartenev was organized. In 1626 - Zagryazhsky, in 1627 - Khripunova, 1633 - Streshneva. This is a very incomplete list.
    To understand the process, let us consider how Khripunov’s expedition was prepared in 1627.
    Yenisei voivode Oshanin submits, according to departmental submission, an application to the order of the Kazan Palace. The order double-checks and supplements the information, for which purpose the corresponding persons, the same Khripunov, are called “to Moscow”. After preparing the materials, the boyar Cherkassky goes to the report to the tsar, Mikhail Fedorovich. The tsar, having examined the issue, "indicated for the search for silver ores to send Yakov Khripunov" and gave instructions to finance the preparation and equipment of the expedition.
    And one moment. Exploration of ore deposits requires appropriate specialists. There are no signs in the taiga with pointers where which ore is. And with ore miners in Russia in those years (no matter how the Uriapatriots-Hyperboreans were moaning) it was bad. Therefore, to complete the expedition of the same Khripunov, the tsar gave the go-ahead "to write out Ganz Gerolt and Samuel Frik from the Caesar land." Therefore, without the presence of the corresponding personnel, we could not even dream of any profits.
    The seriousness of the issue is indicated by the fact that the leaders of the first expeditions were allowed to use any methods to obtain information, including torture. But already after the first expedition Bartenev reported that such "power" methods have the exact opposite effect.
    So, the development of the ore resources of the Urals and Siberia is the hard and painstaking work of generations, and not "competition between the prison."
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2020 14: 05 New
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      Thanks Victor Nikolayevich for a useful addition!
      ..fields requires appropriate specialists. There are no signs in the taiga with pointers where which ore is. And with ore miners in Russia in those years (no matter how the Uriapatriots-Hyperboreans were moaning) it was bad.

      I smile a little forum users a real fact!
      At the end of the year before last, a diamond the size of a match head was found in the settlement of Atig (Middle Urals) in the floodplain of the White Tig River. After a long debate - real diamond or not real, they decided to check. Well, we checked - the Kirik 100 pood water hammer turned out to be stronger.

      Regards, Vlad!
      1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 14: 24 New
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        Well, we checked - the Kirik 100 pood water hammer turned out to be stronger.

        Igor Mozheiko described this in "Pirates, Corsairs, Raiders." That one pirate, when dividing the mining, received one large diamond instead of a handful of small ones, like the others, and broke it with a hammer .... hi
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2020 14: 37 New
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          Nikolai, the diamond was simply crushed to dust here! The truth was collected and the study of the latter confirmed that the dust is diamond !!!
          The find was during the suffering, the plant stood on the "vacation". The diamond boom lasted until the first frost. Nothing more to be found! The plant was launched before Christmas. The losses were colossal.
          On the other hand, on small streams along the Serga River, they constantly indulged in washing gold. Moreover, all the gold-bearing tributaries were called Belaya + Mitkinsky stream. On the latter, gold was washed industrially.
          So, it’s smarter to take the wealth of the bowels “worth a lot”!
          1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 14: 44 New
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            The truth was collected and the study of the latter confirmed that the dust is diamond !!!

            yeah ... go to glass cutters!
            Nothing more to be found!

            your diamonds are crunching under your feet, and mine in the region in January found mushrooms. Chanterelles. Such a winter! laughing
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2020 15: 25 New
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              I’ll go snow off the roof!
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                I’ll go snow off the roof!

                and Sonya with me - take a walk! drinks
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2020 15: 34 New
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                  She is in the city!
                  By the way, it is very negative about the street. Maximum balcony.
              2. Catfish 5 March 2020 16: 00 New
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                Ha, I forgot how it looks - snow on the roof. laughing
                Hello Vladislav! Today in the morning I rode to the store, on a lane, the steps in the dirty water leave. It’s one happiness, no one drives this road except me and my neighbor in Belarus.
                Such a winter ... request
      2. Undecim 5 March 2020 16: 29 New
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        floodplain of the White Tig River
        Sorry for the tedium, Vladislav, the Atig River is also called. Moreover, the Bolshoy Atig River flows through the village of Atig, which is formed as a result of the confluence of the White Atig and Black Atig rivers. A pond still exists there, it has happened.
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          A pond still exists there, it has happened.

          Write to us, please, five or seven places where for some reason you have not been yet, Viktor Nikolaevich! It’s me who happened to you to travel! good
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            Antarctica, North America, Australia, Indochina, Tibet. Yes, a lot of places where I have not been.
        2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 March 2020 19: 14 New
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          And here there is no Victor Nikolaevich!
          As a native of Nizhny Sergi, seven kilometers from Atig, half Tigovchanin, my father is from there.
          I can safely say the river is called Tig or Big Tig (the right tributary of the Serga). Formed by the merger of the Black and White Tigov. In the upper White Tig is also called Sand. The village and the factory are called Atig. Initially, the Tigovsky Bashkirskurt yurt. With the resettlement of the hamayuns in 1741, the name Atig (A Tig) was assigned to it. In pre-revolutionary times, a wave of metropolitan researchers swept over who spontaneously tried to impose the Russification of my small homeland.
          For example, Sergi - replaced by Earrings, Mount Sholum - Nizhneserginsky, Long-Long, noon-Studenoy, river Tig - Atig. Then the revolution did not work. At the end of 80, the second stage of the imposition of tomponomics began. It turned out that the tickets were sold to Lower Earrings. Fought off. In court, the Big Tig River was played. We are fighting with the White Teague, where the signs are. The letter "A" is constantly covered with paint! Pointers periodically cut. Road services are again installed and so on in a circle. So the locals are a little partisan. The region pokes a 1978 map, it indicates errors. So for now it's a draw.
          A tradition has already developed, nonresident asking where the Atig River is sent to the river. Sekilda. There only I know that three cars of such seekers drowned. Jeeps - in this case, is not a panacea, it has vulnerabilities.
          So, do not believe the cards!
          Believe those who live there!
          1. Korsar4 5 March 2020 21: 37 New
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            Interesting story.

            If someone could remember all the name changes since the Finnish-Ugric period, how would the picture of the country come to life.
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              Serga River - there are two interpretations:
              Ser-ha in Komi-Permyatsky (Kunya river);
              Serga is an average (averaged) river.
              Gidromin - Serga is quite common (in the Urals there are two similar rivers, one in the Urals and 7 in the Arkhangelsk region.
              According to the second version, the name has Finno-Ugric roots.
              Regards, Vlad!
              1. Korsar4 5 March 2020 21: 55 New
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                The song sounds. And for each ear - its own.
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            Kote Pane Kokhanka (Vladislav) Yesterday, 19: 14
            So, do not believe the cards!
            Believe those who live there!


            Well said.
            - So he asks for the opera Ivan Susanin. good laughing

            Here
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          In the pond lowered the water level. The dam was made a horse, now it is overgrown.
          The rivers are still called Big Tig, White Tig and Black Tig. The village is Atig.
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            An interesting moment! In those parts I was in a cap, passing through, I didn’t communicate with the local people, therefore I did not know about such a long-term struggle for toponyms. You can write an article.
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              In our hamayunya if the Tig River, called Atig, you may not be a handshake. Fishermen can and mother.
              Regards, Vlad!
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                Now I’ll know if you never know, suddenly you’ll still have to go. Think about the article. Local authors suck out stories from the finger, but here such a historical detective disappears.
    2. Astra wild 6 March 2020 10: 05 New
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      Viktor Nikolaevich, it’s good that you are present on the site: we will learn a lot from you
      1. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 15: 15 New
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        Viktor Nikolaevich, it’s good that you are present on the site: we will learn a lot from you

        he would even more spread about his own travels - he wouldn’t have a price! good
  • Astra wild 5 March 2020 18: 53 New
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    Timur, you have interesting stories, but SHORT. I would prefer to continue.
    Colleagues, here someone already said that Khabarov, that Dezhnev or Beketov are children of their time. I can only repeat: they are all sons of their time. And time was dashing and people are desperate
    1. Pane Kohanku 5 March 2020 22: 48 New
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      And time was dashing and people are desperate

      We would be more willing to discuss the dilemma of "thong or count" with Sergei Phil. love drinks no offense, and with all due respect!
      1. Catfish 6 March 2020 13: 43 New
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        In-in, you and Phil only give free rein, and before entering the site will have to post an ad: "Children under 16 years old are strictly prohibited!". laughing
        1. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 14: 03 New
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          "Children under 16 years old are strictly prohibited!"

          and so they have nothing to do on the site. stop Here some adults fall into childhood, and you say children! request
          1. Catfish 6 March 2020 14: 10 New
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            Here, some adults fall into childhood,

            Yes, they, some of them, did not come out of their happy childhood, due to the physical impossibility of doing this. request
            1. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 14: 13 New
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              due to the physical impossibility of doing this.

              nobody kicked in the ass? how are the stalks passing Ilya Muromets? wink drinks
              1. Catfish 6 March 2020 14: 19 New
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                The kick in the ass argument, of course, is serious, but it doesn’t affect them, nothing affects them at all, apparently due to the specific structure of the organism - fool
                Yes, and to hell with them. drinks smile
                1. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 14: 22 New
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                  Yes, and to hell with them.

                  Truly hell. drinks Pray, fast and repent! soldier
                  1. Catfish 6 March 2020 14: 25 New
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                    Pray, fast and repent!

                    Hum how, I’m not baptized, and I don’t believe. Dad didn’t let him baptize, but he taught her not to believe life. repeat
        2. Phil77 6 March 2020 14: 46 New
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          We are innocent !!!!! We just discussed! For educational purposes! And only! Even without conclusions. laughing laughing laughing
          1. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 14: 58 New
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            We are innocent !!!!! We just discussed! For educational purposes! And only! Even without conclusions.

            Tokmo health for! For only a concern for health unleashed a dispute that looks worse at the fifth point - count or thong! laughing
            1. Catfish 6 March 2020 15: 08 New
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              I do not advise experimenting with a stake, in any case. laughing
              1. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 15: 13 New
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                I do not advise experimenting with a stake, in any case.

                and we ourselves will not! stop There, initially the esteemed Valery Ryzhov was invited to do this. wink And so we ... stand next ... we'll see ... repeat (Valery - no offense! Jokes, friendly, with all due respect! drinks )
                1. Catfish 6 March 2020 15: 17 New
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                  And why did Valera not please you like that? I already begin to fear for the rest. laughing
      2. Astra wild 6 March 2020 14: 15 New
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        Nikolay, Valery believes that thongs are an instrument of torture, and I expressed my point of view. And I don’t know why the cons. Perhaps someone thinks that he will look better at Coke.?
        1. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 14: 24 New
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          Valery believes that thongs are an instrument of torture, and I expressed my point of view.

          Valery because from his male bell tower he considered thongs a torture device. laughing Shakes, sir! request I would be against it too! stop
          Perhaps someone thinks that he will look better at Coke.?

          what is he a vampire? wink
          1. Astra wild 6 March 2020 15: 21 New
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            Who knows what minus people have in their head?
            1. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 15: 25 New
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              Who knows what minus people have in their head?

              it’s for yourself to figure out which of you is minus one. I almost never put a minus. hi
              1. Astra wild 6 March 2020 16: 08 New
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                I put: 1 Fomenkovtsy, 2 abominable, from school I can not stand abomination3 periodically for ideological reasons: I cherish the memory of my mother, when she took me on May 1, I was happy and the memory of all the good things that were in the USSR. Sometimes to mourners: a man cannot be a whiner!
                1. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 16: 29 New
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                  Crossed ten times that I do not belong to the above ... laughing Well .. if only - chuuuyutochku to the second category! repeat But this is due to the nickname! request Pane Kohanku must be the original and a little (ha! Why a little?) Voluptuary! wink (write to notepad: "Astra didn’t put me cons. Not at all." what ).
      3. Phil77 6 March 2020 14: 54 New
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        * About how many wonderful discoveries * the site is ready to provide! Torquemada and women's um ... clothing. Compatibility incompatible, though? I think that being present at the inquiry using illegal methods of women, he probably experienced some spiritual longing! And I do not exclude that physical! laughing
  • Astra wild 6 March 2020 10: 39 New
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    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    I’ll go snow off the roof!

    This year I hardly saw snow
    1. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 11: 00 New
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      This year I hardly saw snow

      in our city, he walked four or five times, and almost immediately melted. The last chord was when he went on Friday the 28th in the evening, and a lot of people swept up at the wheel! fellow I don’t remember such a winter in my life ... smile
      1. Astra wild 6 March 2020 13: 54 New
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        We had +25 the day before yesterday! You can get off the bag.
        Greta Tunberg is definitely abnormal, but the climate is 100% changing and not for the better!
        1. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 14: 11 New
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          Greta Tunberg is definitely abnormal

          The third "frantic Greta" in history.
          This bombard was called the first fellow .

          The second "Mad Greta" is a picture of Brueghel. Sorry, Mordvin-Vladimir is not participating in the forum! drinks

          What is now making faces from the rostrum, not wanting to learn - mad Greta No. 3 wassat
          1. Astra wild 6 March 2020 15: 26 New
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            Mordvin3, but what about him? Somehow I don’t really follow his comments, and therefore I don’t remember when I saw him
            1. Pane Kohanku 6 March 2020 15: 28 New
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              Mordvin3, but what about him? Somehow I don’t really follow his comments, and therefore I don’t remember when I saw him

              he just does not participate in the forum under this article, but in painting - yes, he understands it!
              1. Catfish 6 March 2020 18: 02 New
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                I also understand painting, and therefore I love my portrait in profile against the background of moonlight. )))
                1. Phil77 6 March 2020 18: 29 New
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                  * And whose brushes are these works? * "It cannot be." laughing
                  1. Catfish 6 March 2020 18: 43 New
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                    Unfortunately, I don’t know whose work, look on the net, there are several works of this artist, but I could not find who he is and what his name is. request
                2. Phil77 6 March 2020 18: 42 New
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                  So what a sea cat he is! Beautiful! Fluffy! And a little fabulous! How do you like this characteristic? wink
                  1. Catfish 6 March 2020 18: 47 New
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                    You flatter me, Buddy, "we have not been the same for a long time", and the wool has slipped away from an unrighteous life. smile
                    And there was a time ...
                    1. Phil77 6 March 2020 18: 50 New
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                      Searched, searched. According to the style of the och. It looks like the work of Irina Garmasheva. But I do not rule out a mistake. Here is where the och. Opinion of Victor Nikolaevich is necessary!
                      1. Catfish 6 March 2020 18: 51 New
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                        Yes, he’s also a “koshatnik”, write him in PM.
                      2. Phil77 6 March 2020 18: 55 New
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                        It is too simple. I would like to gather a consultation of our filibuster alliance! fellow Snow-white sand, rum, mulattos, and ...... cats !!!!!!!
                      3. Catfish 6 March 2020 19: 43 New
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                        It is unlikely that you are going to get anyone together now, everyone has probably already run out on Torquemada, but ... since it’s not so much fun. request
                      4. Phil77 6 March 2020 20: 15 New
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                        The only question is, on what exactly did they * run out of steam *? In the discussion of what? laughing
                      5. Catfish 6 March 2020 20: 21 New
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                        But the jester knows him, some sluggish comments, there is no such fun as yesterday.
                      6. Phil77 6 March 2020 20: 25 New
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                        Probably the end of the week is having an effect! But Nikolay is discussing himself at the level ... anything ... different ... wonderful ... and not really. laughing
                      7. Catfish 6 March 2020 20: 55 New
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                        We are all at a level where there is something to drink, I only sit on coffee.
                      8. Phil77 7 March 2020 06: 15 New
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                        Good morning, dear Konstantin! But I like tea more, ordinary black tea. I also don’t refuse coffee, but I use it for the final and complete waking up!
                      9. Catfish 7 March 2020 06: 41 New
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                        Good morning, Sergey! I can’t, the word "respected" immediately recalls "car dear highly respected", and that’s it. smile I also love tea and I don’t refuse coffee, but sometimes it all bothers me and I invite Captain Morgan to visit, and he is a companionable man. drinks
                      10. Phil77 7 March 2020 06: 53 New
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                        Rum? It's a good and tasty thing. Yes, it adds romance again. And how without it? In our harsh climate ... I approve! Whole! Always! drinks