Twilight of a superpower. How China "betrayed" America


As early as the twenties of February, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, claiming to be a U.S. presidential candidate for the Democratic Party, expressed his opinion in an interview with CBS that the United States would be forced to send troops to Asia if China decided to use military force against Taiwan. A few days before, Apple announced the transfer of production of a number of gadgets from the "big" China to Taiwan. The formal cause was the epidemic of coronavirus.


In fact, not only these, but also many other events quite eloquently indicate that a long, more than half a century cycle of the American-Chinese novel, which dates back to the era of the legendary U.S. President Richard Nixon and the no less colorful chairman of the PRC Mao Zedong, is declining towards sunset.

Age of the Titans


Contemporaries considered that alliance of American democracy and red totalitarianism amazing and almost impossible, but it not only took place, but also turned out to be surprisingly long. At the start, the big deal between the PRC and the West, led by the United States, included diplomatic recognition of the government in Beijing instead of the Taipei regime, opening markets for Chinese goods, access to technology, and solid investments.

The return of Celestial Macau and especially Hong Kong, which for the time being served as a gateway to the world for red China, was a hyperbone, due to which it flourished. In addition, Beijing was forgiven for absolutely all its quirks: from military campaigns against Vietnam with the annexation of its territories to tanks in Tiananmen Square.


Hollywood also joined in the whitening of an extremely unsightly political regime. The screens in the eighties were flooded with positive Chinese characters, albeit often in the background, helping the brave American hero fight evil. Do you recall many images of positive Russians, even in the era of Gorbachev or Yeltsin? In the best case, cartoons in the spirit of "Red Heat", and even those were rare.

The US-Chinese marriage of convenience arose against the backdrop of a sharp strengthening of the Soviet Union in the 1960s and 1970s, when more and more countries on different continents entered the orbit of Moscow’s influence. Even the noticeable successes of the United States in the “re-recruitment” of key states yielded a very conditional effect.

Egypt has overstepped the Americans? But the USSR set loyal regimes in South Yemen and Ethiopia: the Suez Canal was still under attack. In Indonesia, the pro-American leader came to power? They helped North Vietnam in the offensive on the South: the Strait of Malacca can be controlled from there.

Although the economically current Celestial Empire has long overtaken the Union in any of the eras of its existence (in the mid-eighties, the USSR ranked second in the world in nominal GDP, second to the United States, but only slightly ahead of Japan), in geopolitical terms, Beijing hardly even approached the Soviet the capabilities of that period.

The entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan caused a new wave of fears that Moscow could seize neighboring Pakistan, reaching the Arabian Sea, and cutting the largest continent in two. Not to mention the threat to the Arabian monarchies, which had just become one of the pillars of the Jamaican system, when they agreed to sell resources exclusively for US dollars.

It was the eighties that became the peak of the friendship of the two great powers. The end of the Cold War somewhat cooled these feelings, but Beijing continued to gain access to everything needed. Prior to Donald Trump, none of the previous owners of the White House dared to cut off Chinese goods' access to the American market - not a single voter would approve of the disappearance of cheap consumer goods.


The end of the historic deal


However, the current president has such an opportunity. The thing is that it was in the 2010s that the states of Southeast and South Asia began to push China down on the market for a very wide range of goods, from textiles and shoes to consumer electronics. In other words, if you remove the Chinese factories, the American hard worker somewhere from the Midwest will no longer be left without fashionable sneakers and stylish gadgets.

The anti-Chinese consensus of Republican and “imperial” Donald Trump and the Democrat and “Socialist” Sanders is exactly the opposite of the then unification of the strategies of the Republican administrations Nixon, Ford and Democrat Carter, which dragged Beijing to a decent society.

There are many reasons. Hundreds of times have already been written about geopolitical or trade contradictions. Repeating does not make sense. It’s better to dwell on what little has traditionally been mentioned.

In particular, it is not superfluous to recall ideological differences. Many Americans hoped that as prosperity grew, the authoritarian regime in China would be replaced by a democratic one. This is exactly what happened in the eighties with the military-authoritarian regime in Taiwan and the dictatorship of Chung Doo-hwan in South Korea. But this did not happen in China.

So now, the Celestial Empire, American intellectuals and the creative elite consider a kind of traitor.

In this sense, Taiwan for them is “good” China, albeit small, but its own. By the way, the famous Taiwan Relations Act was passed by the administration of Jimmy Carter, who was also a Democrat, like current candidate Sanders. And the forgotten “return to Asia,” proclaimed by President Barack Obama of the Democratic Party, would also not hurt to remember.

In any case, the abolition of the points of the big deal half a century ago between the United States and China will continue. Open markets, the status of Taiwan and Hong Kong, human rights in mainland China and so on - all these items are subject to revision, regardless of who is in the White House.
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  1. Svarog 4 March 2020 15: 11 New
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    in geopolitical terms, Beijing even now hardly approached the Soviet capabilities of that period.

    Beijing is more wise and does not spend resources on the right and on the left .. Do not feed the USSR half of the world then, perhaps even now we would live under socialism and be leaders in all directions .. Even some 30 years ago, China was a backward state. and now we have swapped places with him ..
    1. Kronos 4 March 2020 15: 52 New
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      The fate of the USSR was decided at its top and the USSR invested in countries and the USA in order to have influence
      1. NordUral 4 March 2020 16: 50 New
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        Need to influence a successful example, and not handouts and bribery, Kronos.
        1. Kronos 4 March 2020 16: 52 New
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          So it was an example of the USSR pushed many countries on the path of socialism
          1. NordUral 4 March 2020 16: 53 New
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            Kronos, not many, and some, unfortunately.
          2. EvilLion 5 March 2020 08: 22 New
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            "Russkiy, socialism to build a budget, tay tenge, oil, screaming" That's about what they built.
            1. Kronos 5 March 2020 11: 01 New
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              In response, they supplied goods, the influence of the USSR grew, there were military bases and other useful things. So it’s impossible to say that these were useless injections
              1. EvilLion 5 March 2020 14: 16 New
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                Was it easy to buy bananas in the USSR? What can they supply at all if they have no production?
              2. ser56 8 March 2020 17: 45 New
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                Quote: Kronos
                there were military bases and other useful things

                if not a secret - to whom are useful? Russian people? so he paid all this pampering, living far from being full ... request
                1. Kronos 8 March 2020 17: 56 New
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                  To the people - fruits, for example, or vegetables, valuable resources. Well, the problems with goods or food were not related to the availability of bases so that they could not establish their production + they swelled a lot into the army and space with heavy industry to the detriment of the rest
          3. NordUral 5 March 2020 11: 34 New
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            He pushed under Stalin, which greatly frightened the West. And then basically a purchase. The main exceptions are Cuba and Vietnam.
        2. Alexey LK 5 March 2020 06: 30 New
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          Quote: NordUral
          Must be influenced by a successful example

          Something South Korea doesn’t seem to have much influence on North with its successful example. wink
          Do not primitivize, everything is somewhat more complicated ...
          1. NordUral 5 March 2020 11: 35 New
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            I don’t argue that it’s more difficult, but complex is made up of particulars.
    2. Lopatov 4 March 2020 19: 12 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      Beijing does more wisely

      Yeah ...
      He helped to destroy the USSR and he himself became the next target. Almost immediately: the term "Air-Sea Battle" was introduced by D. Stavridis in 1992.

      What is wise here?
      1. Svarog 4 March 2020 19: 13 New
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        Quote: Spade
        He helped to destroy the USSR and he himself became the next target.

        This is how he helped destroy the USSR?
        1. Lopatov 4 March 2020 19: 24 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          This is how he helped destroy the USSR?

          Hello, we arrived ...
          A quarter of its tanks and a third of its troops of the USSR was forced to hold against China
          In 1991 prices, the total cost of building the BAM amounted to 17,7 billion rubles
          Well and so on. Up to the most active supply of weapons to Afghanistan by the local militants, from machine guns to MLRS
          1. Svarog 4 March 2020 19: 33 New
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            A quarter of its tanks and a third of its troops of the USSR was forced to hold against China

            They spent money, but on a national scale, they weren’t that big, in any case, the army should be on the border with China ..
            In 1991 prices, the total cost of building the BAM amounted to 17,7 billion rubles

            But we need BAM for any or you think if China is friendly to us, then we did not need to build a BAM))
            And so on.

            It is difficult to call your arguments a serious argument in favor of "helped destroy" ..
            1. Lopatov 4 March 2020 19: 57 New
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              Quote: Svarog
              Delayed funds, but not so big on a national scale

              A third of the troops of the USSR is a little ???

              Quote: Svarog
              But we need BAM

              BAM is needed only for one thing - to ensure communication with the Far East during the war with China.

              Quote: Svarog
              It’s hard to call your arguments a serious argument

              But it’s easy to call any argument frivolous
              Including a third of the USSR Ground Forces and five separate air armies

              1. Svarog 4 March 2020 20: 03 New
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                A third of the troops of the USSR is a little ???

                In general, we had an excess army, given that there is nuclear weapons .. but 30% of the troops in any case should be located on such a vast territory ..
                Quote: Spade
                BAM is needed only for one thing - to ensure communication with the Far East during the war with China.

                You surprise me .. but what about mining, trade, etc. .. and generally the communication between the settlements ..
                1. Lopatov 4 March 2020 22: 16 New
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                  Quote: Svarog
                  You surprise me .. but what about mining, trade, etc.

                  8))))
                  Look at the map.

                  Quote: Svarog
                  We generally had an excess army

                  Well yes. If not for China, it could have been made a third less.
                  1. Saxahorse 4 March 2020 23: 05 New
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                    Quote: Spade
                    8))))
                    Look at the map.

                    Exactly. Look at the map. There is a lot of space and a minimum of infrastructure. There is something to be mined and where to build, only until now, for the most part, no drive, no pass.
              2. ZAV69 5 March 2020 23: 36 New
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                Quote: Spade
                BAM is needed only for one thing - to ensure communication with the Far East during the war with China.

                BAM even before the war began to build. In general, there were very big plans for the development of the region. It's all buried right now. Like buy everything.
          2. ser56 8 March 2020 17: 48 New
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            Quote: Spade
            The total cost of building the BAM amounted to 17,7 billion rubles

            BAM needed to be built in any way ...
      2. ser56 8 March 2020 17: 47 New
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        Quote: Spade
        What is wise here?

        and they, the Chinese, had a different way? After the Cultural Revolution, everything lay in ruins, relations with the USSR were ruined up to armed conflicts, and investments and money were needed ... request
    3. Alexey LK 5 March 2020 06: 26 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      Do not feed the USSR then half the world

      Only here it is not necessary to invent! He didn’t feed any half the world — he really couldn’t feed himself, especially when it comes to “commodities” (he imported grain!). You can’t just thinklessly adopt slogans (in this case, Western liberal, but not the point, we are talking about any slogans) and replace them with causal relationships in the analysis of world historical processes (and in any other analysis).
      1. EvilLion 5 March 2020 08: 33 New
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        Yeah, but haven't you recently hopped that Russia is restructuring Soviet debts to all banana republics? And so he fed, to whom the hydroelectric power station is the most advanced, to whom tons of weapons, which will still be ineptly lost, and then to replenish the American museum, who just needs some kind of rubbish like a sports complex for tens of thousands of places. And from all this, now you can get a maximum of some kind of preference, or else wait for the return of 50 years, or maybe 100, and not wait.

        Of course, nothing will happen in your own country, if only it has regions with a subsidy level of over 900 rubles per year per person (in the Baltic states). And also the world needs to be fed. "Roads must be built in Russia, not in the republics."

        Well, agricultural Khrushchev liquidated MTS in fact. Moreover, not only the transfer of technology to illiterate collective-farm drunks, but also the loss of the ability to correct factory defects, which were many, because this required a powerful machine park.
        1. Alexey LK 6 March 2020 00: 25 New
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          Quote: EvilLion
          Yeah, but haven't you recently hopped that Russia is restructuring Soviet debts to all banana republics?

          Did I jump like that? laughing
          Help some countries, including without any direct benefit, but only for propaganda, and to feed half the world are all different things.
          Khrushchev is a big disaster, yes, do I argue with that?
        2. ser56 8 March 2020 17: 54 New
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          Quote: EvilLion
          "Roads must be built in Russia, not in the republics."

          what is being done now, more paved roads have been built in the Russian Federation than in the entire history of the RSFSR ...
      2. musketon64 5 March 2020 10: 42 New
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        He didn’t feed half the world of the USSR - he really couldn’t feed himself, especially when it comes to “commodities” (he imported grain!) /////
        It happened like this: the USSR imported grain in Canada and delivered it directly to Cuba, Angola and other African countries. It often simply did not reach our country. We had enough of our grain, but for freeloaders we had to buy it.
      3. ser56 8 March 2020 17: 52 New
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        Quote: Alexey LK
        I didn’t feed any half the world -

        in hundreds of factories in China alone, it handed over documentation for free literally everything from tractors to Tu-16, from ZIL-157 cars to nuclear weapons ... request
    4. Chaldon48 7 March 2020 02: 41 New
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      The content of the Communist Parties and various kinds of "popular" regimes got a pretty penny; not so long ago we had to forgive multi-billion debts that no one was going to repay.
  2. Arlen 4 March 2020 15: 31 New
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    Although the economically current Celestial Empire has long overtaken the Union in any of the eras of its existence

    No way, China has not reached the power of the Soviet Union.
    The Chinese Communists were bourgeois. The activities of the CPC are bourgeois in nature and are gradually moving away from the principles of Marxism-Leninism. The policies pursued by the CPC may in the future lead to the creation of a new proletarian revolutionary movement within China.
    1. Dart2027 4 March 2020 16: 01 New
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      Quote: Arlen
      No way, China has not reached the power of the Soviet Union.
      The Chinese Communists were bourgeois.

      Well, and what does this have to do with the development of Chinese industry?
      1. Arlen 4 March 2020 18: 29 New
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        Direct. Capitalism is a dead end. Socialism is the development of industry.
        1. Svarog 4 March 2020 19: 14 New
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          Quote: Arlen
          Direct. Capitalism is a dead end. Socialism is the development of industry.

          Not only industry, but science, education and demography ..
        2. Dart2027 4 March 2020 23: 31 New
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          Quote: Arlen
          Capitalism is a dead end. Socialism is the development of industry.

          It’s only in China that capitalism is being built, and for some reason success is evident.
        3. ser56 8 March 2020 17: 54 New
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          Quote: Arlen
          Socialism is the development of industry.

          re-read the manifesto of the communist party ... hi
    2. Ros 56 4 March 2020 17: 52 New
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      Or their Chubais and Gaidars will appear with their gopniks and repeat our 90s. No one can foresee the future.
      1. Arlen 4 March 2020 18: 29 New
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        Will definitely appear. Later, but will appear.
      2. Dart2027 4 March 2020 23: 33 New
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        Quote: Ros 56
        Or will their Chubais and Gaidars appear with their gopniks

        Already been, and his Gorbachev was also. But the Chinese ended up in Tiananmen Square
  3. Honest Citizen 4 March 2020 15: 38 New
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    In any case, the abolition of the points of the big deal half a century ago between the United States and China will continue. Open markets, the status of Taiwan and Hong Kong, human rights in mainland China and so on - all these items are subject to revision, regardless of who is in the White House.

    And in my opinion this is the most important thing. America makes it clear that it wants to rule China. Will it go to China? I doubt it.
    1. Malyuta 4 March 2020 18: 47 New
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      Quote: Honest Citizen
      America makes it clear that it wants to rule China. Will it go to China? I doubt it.

      The fact is that China is now a practically self-sufficient country and no one will be able to manage China. China's domestic market is huge, a flexible production system allows them to produce absolutely any marketable product, and the rest of the world is now envious of the Chinese economy. Commodity countries and the Russian Federation, including, will race to offer China any raw materials and energy resources, and even dump in this contest, they would just take it. This happened, for example, with the "power of Siberia", with our email. the energy that is driven to China at 70 kopecks per kWh, the taiga in the form of logs moves to live in China, they even send water from Lake Baikal, just take at least something else and so on. And imagine for a minute what will happen to the Russian Federation if China ceases to supply us its products from underpants to machine tools and nails?
      1. Honest Citizen 4 March 2020 18: 52 New
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        And imagine for a minute what will happen to the Russian Federation if China ceases to supply us its products from underpants to machine tools and nails?

        I don’t even have to imagine, I know very well what will happen.
        It’s just that we don’t see this in Petrov, they are designing planes, well, a few more, which are always looking for foreign agents.
        1. EvilLion 5 March 2020 08: 38 New
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          Well, the Chinese go bankrupt, that's all. Ours, if they themselves do not, will be bought elsewhere. In this regard, the same Ukraine is much more dangerous, a number of deliveries with which were, in principle, indispensable, this issue has been quietly resolved throughout Putin's years, but perhaps a number of unsubstituted positions exist now.
      2. Sadam 5 March 2020 03: 09 New
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        What gives you confidence that China has fundamentally grown? I also understand BC the gunpowder the paper overtook the Arabs and now they shot for 20 years immediately stumbled over the virus ...
        I’m looking at Germany as soon as they weren’t cheated after 2 wars, and they only become stronger
      3. EvilLion 5 March 2020 08: 46 New
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        Yes, it is necessary to be able to supply water from Lake Baikal at the price of gasoline. Moreover, even if there was no influx into Lake Baikal, they would drink it there for 250 million years.

        As for self-sufficiency, Chinese economic success is largely based on cheap coal. Now coal at the current rate of consumption remains for 38 years. Well, it is clear that they will still find it, but the peak of production, if not passed, then the decline is not far off. China is critically short of oil. Nobody will offer China resources for distillation; if a crisis comes, both the USA and Russia, as energy-rich countries, will think about refueling their tanks and planes, and not about buying something from China.

        In the next 20 years, I do not see any prospects for China. They were originally built as an appendage of the West, and the fate of Japan awaits them.
  4. Amateur 4 March 2020 15: 52 New
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    Anyone who has had fairly long contacts with the Chinese at work knows that the Chinese are equally bad at all “non-Chinese,” whether they are Russians, Americans, Uzbeks, or black-tongued mumbas-yumbas. The Chinese consider everyone the lowest link in evolution and uncultured barbarians. At the same time, they will smile in your eyes, tell you nice things about what kind of competent engineer you are and at the same time not put your opinion in a penny. Because of this, they often fall into a stupid position, but never apologize or admit their mistakes. There is a strong stratification into a member / non-member of the CCP. (By the way, the CCP is a small party and it’s very difficult to become a member). The most competent Chinese engineer will never become the head of a more / less large project if he is not a member of the CCP.
    1. Sergej1972 4 March 2020 18: 30 New
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      In the field of science and culture, they have a small quota for "small democratic parties."
    2. EvilLion 5 March 2020 08: 51 New
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      Therefore, when Day D comes, the Chinese will be alone against the whole world. Recently I came into contact with some slanted pogromist, they put a copy of a German machine tool here, well, it works so far, but excuse me, the person who was sent to foreign countries. a business trip, that is, clearly not the worst, can't even work with his own tool ?? Could not run the script period for exporting data (there it was primitively done). Then, while importing this data into the database, I also found an error.
      1. Rakovor 5 March 2020 09: 00 New
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        Yes, they are already practically alone. I don’t understand at all those who talk about some kind of “wisdom” of China. It, in fact, is surrounded by a ring of enemies, India, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines, Indonesia, the list goes on. Where is the "wisdom" here? Well, this is how foreign policy should be conducted so that Vietnam itself, having survived all the horrors of the war, actually throws itself into the arms of the USA.
        1. EvilLion 5 March 2020 09: 03 New
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          They all hate each other there, and much more even than the French and British each other, or ours with the Poles (we don’t care at all, we historically defeated the Poles). Well, China is simply the largest and most of all it is possible to tear off from it, and it is necessary to be most afraid of it.
    3. ccsr 5 March 2020 11: 09 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      Anyone who has had fairly long contacts with the Chinese at work knows

      I agree with you, although I have never worked with the Chinese in the same team, but I had to buy some products from them, first at VDNH in one pavilion, and now to the Altufevskoye Shosse, where they moved their trade. I’ve observed their activities since the nineties, and I can say that the scam is in their blood, but if you catch them by the hand, they never argue and immediately apologize. And they seem to sincerely repent, but in fact they hate you because they did not succeed in deceiving you. Maybe I didn’t come across the best representatives of them, but something tells me that there’s no one who’s bolder in SEA, and this is a typical style of their behavior around the world.
  5. BREAKTHROUGH READY 4 March 2020 15: 52 New
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    It’s difficult to call it twilight, the economy of the Celestial Empire is still growing rapidly, especially in comparison with its northern neighbor. But of course, the confrontation between the two powers will only increase, the main thing is not to click Russia with its beak, taking advantage of what is happening.
  6. antivirus 4 March 2020 16: 19 New
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    Zbitnev Brzezinski wrote an article.
    what a bad china!
    but the matter is simpler - in the PRC they earned their money and twisted it, invested in their own and the world economy without notifying the United States (past invest banks in the United States) + dared to introduce taxes on the joint venture from 2010, before that it was only s / ph. now taxes, environmental charges (gas and so on instead of coal), the Navy and the Rocket troops + are friends with whoever they want + are fighting against who they want + they don’t sell their voice in the UNSC + ... 22 other reasons.
    and Sander Trump on the side.
  7. Ovrag 4 March 2020 16: 36 New
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    China has the same problems within the state. Which can tear it apart if the current government is not flexible and will not change according to the passage of time. Extension of powers of Winnie the Pooh, in defiance of the main achievement of Deng Xiaoping - shift of bosses. This is the beginning of the fall of China.
    But the problem is that a whole generation of young Chinese people who studied abroad and now occupy a wide variety of leadership positions from sales managers to corporate executives has already grown up in the noughties. And they ... Already very different Chinese. This is not a generation of Winnie the Pooh. These people are already thinking, doing and looking with a completely capitalist-western look. For them, all this tyagomotin with the party is simply a problem. With which you have to put up with.
    Thanks to the fact that almost any Chinese who registered a legal entity could become an entrepreneur with state support, it turned out that under the declared socialism and communism, China in fact became one of the most developed capitalist countries. Where every man is a small businessman. On the fact of socialism in the country did not remain. It is represented only by the harsh dictatorship of the party in terms of solving some national problems.
    And this dualism will soon come to China. You cannot sit on two chairs. Have a developed capitalist society and try to steer it from the position of an irremovable supreme leader. For the younger generation (up to 35 years old). All this already looks like some kind of savagery and a relic of the crazy era of Mao.
  8. parusnik 4 March 2020 16: 37 New
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    That Alliance of American Democracy and Red Totalitarianism
    ... Only here the words of American democracy and red totalitarianism must be taken in quotation marks, otherwise you might think God knows what .. laughing
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    Nice article.
  10. Ryaruav 4 March 2020 19: 30 New
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    I don’t agree that the Celestial Empire overtook the union if the USSR were preserved, the PRC would continue to eat crumbs from our and western tables; the West gave the Chinese non-military technologies, unlike South Korea, and it already regrets very much, but this is capitalism - you’ll sell your homeland for profit
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    Quote: NordUral
    Need to influence a successful example, and not handouts and bribery, Kronos.

    Unfortunately, the world is such that one gold is worth more than a good word and a good example.
  12. ccsr 4 March 2020 20: 08 New
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    In this sense, Taiwan for them is “good” China, albeit small, but its own.

    You do not take into account the Chinese market for American goods - no Taiwan will ever replace this closely. That is why I think that no matter how the Americans are bluffing, it is precisely the Chinese market for them that will be the main thing in shaping policies regarding mainland China. Well, to keep the Chinese on a short leash, new epidemics, or any speeches of national minorities, as well as territorial disputes with neighbors, will be very suitable.
  13. Saxahorse 4 March 2020 23: 19 New
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    A couple of years ago, China announced the transfer of development emphasis to the domestic market. After that, a hysteria began about the imminent and inevitable destruction of the Chinese economy. The development of the domestic market means betting on the growth of income and consumption of the population of China. Already, the average Chinese income is one and a half to two times higher than ours, and it is growing at 5-7 percent per year. In the coming years, it will be compared with the income of the average American, but the Chinese are five times more!

    America has reason to be nervous, a new leader in consumption has been born on the planet. It’s even difficult for them to force their companies to abandon sales to China. China's opinion is becoming more and more important in the global economy.
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      Quote: Saxahorse
      Already, the average income of the Chinese is one and a half to two times higher than ours, and it is growing by 5-7 percent per year

      China's salary in 2020 is $ 1050 in major cities and $ 450 in provinces
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      Coming in years it compares with the income of the average american

      The average American’s income is $ 3-4000 a month. And growing at 3-4% per year.

      Surprise with entertaining math and tell me which ones immediate years, $ 700 with an increase of 7% per year will catch up to $ 3.500 with an increase of 3% per year.
      1. Saxahorse 4 March 2020 23: 53 New
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        Quote: Liam
        Amaze with entertaining math.

        It’s easy to surprise you :)

        The average salary before taxes and social contributions in China in 2019 is 6872 yuan, or $ 995,5 a month, which is 5% higher than a year ago.


        Over the past decade, the average wage in China has grown by 150%, catching up with monthly income in the peripheral countries of the eurozone.


        Well, the average salary in Beijing for 2019 is $ 1544, which is about 100 thousand rubles, higher than in Moscow ("Moscow - 57 rubles, an increase of 500% over the year," according to other sources, 12,1 thousand rubles, depending on who publishes).

        This time we talked about cities. Judging by the growth rate, China will catch up to the American level in 5-7 years.

        The average salary in Russia in 2019 increased by 6% and amounted to 37 rubles. (or $ 900)
        1. Liam 5 March 2020 00: 07 New
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          Not surprised. Probably because mathematics is a fairly exact science)
          With an average salary (around the country) of $ 750 and an increase of 7% in 2021, the average Chinese will receive 800% with a penny.
          In the same 2021, the average American with a salary of 3.500 and an increase of 3% will receive 3.600.
          The growth of the Chinese will be about $ 50, the American about 100.
          Amazing -nearby ... so in which near the average Chinese will catch up with the average American income?)
          1. Saxahorse 5 March 2020 00: 23 New
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            Amazing -near ...

            Sure sure. Let's discuss "when the swift Achilles catches up with the turtle .." laughing
            1. Liam 5 March 2020 00: 41 New
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              Let's discuss "when the swift Achilles catches up with the turtle .."

              Let's leave this fun to the ancient Greek demagogues)
              The Chinese Achilles half of the population is poor or frankly poor. And this is 700/800 million souls. And in pursuit of
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              shifting development focus to the domestic market

              Achilles created such financial bubbles of hundreds of trillions of dollars that no American turtle had ever dreamed of. For a long time, everything was on a thin thread woven from financial state pyramids and the economy - the “bicycle.” This one that does not fall only if it moves quickly and any stop-fall from thundering.
    2. Dmitry V. 6 March 2020 12: 38 New
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      Quote: Saxahorse
      Already, the average Chinese income is one and a half to two times higher than ours, and it is growing by 5-7


      In relation to the urban population to the urban population - yes, this is a correct observation.

      But for the rural population, the situation is the opposite.
      Cx production in the PRC is cheap, the density of the rural population is very high, in Russia it is expensive cx production, and the density of the rural population is low, so the welfare of the rural population of the PRC is much slower than the urban one and still inferior to growth.
      Urbanization in China is increasing and this difference will gradually decrease.
      1. Saxahorse 7 March 2020 01: 03 New
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        therefore, the welfare of the rural population of China is much slower than the urban

        Excuse me, what did you want to say? What is lower in the Chinese village than in Beijing? Well yes, it is. But the figure of $ 995 is the average (!) In the country. If in a Chinese village it is even lower than in Beijing ($ 1540), then not a bit .. But in our village, unfortunately, many people generally work for food .. sad If even Moscow, on average, is XNUMX times lower than Beijing in terms of salary, unfortunately there is nothing to say for the rest of the country.

        China has chosen the right strategy. Having created a high basic level of industry due to the title of "world factory", the Chinese are switching to the development of their domestic market. Reread Marx please, only people bring profit! No spells can increase the real amount of money if there are no people creating and consuming real values. China with its 1.5 billion people is an ideal market!
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    this is a distant strategy ... and the authors would have looked for centuries .. maybe they understood the USSR!
  15. Dmitry V. 6 March 2020 12: 27 New
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    Controversial opinion.
    The author does not take into account the domestic consumption of the Chinese market itself.
    The prospects for the Chinese market are enormous and growing.
    Earn on the Chinese market - thousands of industries rooted in Europe and the United States.
    Most foreign investors have factories in several countries around the world and remove production from China, just because some senator or president said so - well, it's childishly naive.
    It is still profitable - no one closes any production.
    No “sunset” of the PRC is foreseen.
    The author is in vain forcing.
  16. Jarserge 11 March 2020 14: 13 New
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    China expects the same as the USSR, the elite will want to live without regard to party conventions, live using power and money like normal bourgeois. Whether they manage to maintain their position and keep China strong ... is another matter.