US pledges to help Turkey in Idlib with ammunition, including air-to-air missiles

The US Special Representative for Syria declared "full support for Turkey’s actions in Idlib." According to the US special envoy, "the states intend to provide assistance with ammunition during the Idlib operation." This includes air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles. These US missiles can supply for the Turkish Air Force F-16.

And in the Turkish parliament, an emergency meeting continues, at the closed part of which the Ministers of Foreign Affairs and Defense, Mevlut Cavusoglu and Hulusi Akar, speak.

Parliament speaker Mustafa Sentop at the beginning of the meeting voiced the topic: the situation in Idlib. At the same time, Szentop used the expression "insidious attack on Turkish troops."

When the closed part of the meeting began, journalists were asked to leave the hall. According to Turkish media, the main agenda is connected not only with the situation in Idlib per se, but also with what line should be followed by President Recep Erdogan during a meeting with Vladimir Putin. This meeting, recall, is scheduled for March 5. It will be held in Moscow.

The US Special Representative for Syria declared "full support for Turkey’s actions in Idlib." According to the US special envoy, "the states intend to provide support with ammunition during the Idlib operation." This includes air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles.

Against this background, Syrian forces continue to attempt to advance west of Serakib. In particular, a strike was struck in the nearby settlement of Nairab. It is noteworthy that representatives of the so-called "moderate opposition" announced that several Turkish troops were injured as a result of the SAA strike on Nairab. At the same time, the same sources do not report why, and what generally Turkish soldiers did in Nairab. There should not be any “observation post” of the Turkish army in this territory, which is prescribed in the agreements. It turns out that either the Turkish military finally merged with the militant units during the operation in Idlib, or they unilaterally deploy their so-called observation posts, in any case violating any agreements.

Comments

[Honest Citizen]

Well, it is clear to whom the war, to whom the mother is dear.
Missiles will obviously not be delivered by the United States.
Again, from the point of view of the United States: let the Turks kill the Syrians, those Turks and even Kurds, and we count the profits.
"Fewer Indians - fewer enemies" (c)

[Orkraider]

That's for sure, do your business by blood.

It’s like in a fire: people are trying to put out the fire, and these “bad people, radishes” are bringing kerosene.

Fighting the regime .. ordinary people went to hell and long forgotten those blessed times when the dictator Assad ruled them. Those days they call paradise, and dream again to live in peace, without fear for the lives of their children ..

And these nonhumans,

The US Special Representative for Syria declared "full support for Turkey’s actions in Idlib." According to the US special envoy, "the states intend to provide assistance with ammunition during the Idlib operation"

by all means push back the opportunity for the Syrians to live in peace again and decide their own affairs.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Orkraider

And these nonhumans,

The US Special Representative for Syria declared "full support for Turkey’s actions in Idlib." According to the US special envoy, "the states intend to provide assistance with ammunition during the Idlib operation"

by all means push back the opportunity for the Syrians to live in peace again and decide their own affairs.

According to the Hamburg account, it seems to me that America spat on Idlib, Syria, and Erdogan. Two things are important to her.
First of all, to spoil Russia as fatly as possible - and this is the main thing.
And, secondly, if you also make money on it - that’s how life really worked out.

And our "ally" is happy to try ...
Well, well ... Choking on tomatoes. If you have time.

[Orkraider]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Quote: Orkraider

And these nonhumans,

The US Special Representative for Syria declared "full support for Turkey’s actions in Idlib." According to the US special envoy, "the states intend to provide assistance with ammunition during the Idlib operation"

by all means push back the opportunity for the Syrians to live in peace again and decide their own affairs.

According to the Hamburg account, it seems to me that America spat on Idlib, Syria, and Erdogan. Two things are important to her.
First of all, to spoil Russia as fatly as possible - and this is the main thing.
And, secondly, if you also make money on it - that’s how life really worked out.

And our "ally" is happy to try ...
Well, well ... Choking on tomatoes. If you have time.

I don’t understand why you are minusanuli.
They said everything correctly.
I would add:
America spits on everyone except itself, more precisely, except for the interests of its business clan.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Orkraider

I don’t understand why you are minusanuli.
They said everything correctly.

Yes, I have some kind of enemy here - I just don't know what I did to him? How much I now and my father used to argue with our, for example, Israeli colleagues here - so and so - minus, of course, but explaining and not hiding. And here - whatever I say, even though the "grass is green" - almost everywhere there is a neat "minus". Silently.
And figs with him, let him have fun, increase self-esteem. There are more normal people here.

[Grits]

Quote: Orkraider

Fighting the regime .. ordinary people went to hell and long forgotten those blessed times when the dictator Assad ruled them. Those days they call paradise, and dream again to live in peace, without fear for the lives of their children ..

To see not all the lesson of Libya went for the future. And it needs to be studied in school, in textbooks on the history of each Arab (and not only) country. With photographs BEFORE and AFTER and how it begins and develops.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

Well, right, it is better to sell ammunition than to shoot when updating arsenals.

[Maz]

Anna News on the downed Idlib L-39

According to our military source in the SAA, one of the pilots is alive and has landed on government territory. His life is in danger. The co-pilot, judging by the video of the militants, unfortunately died.

The second Turkish drone has just been shot down!

And the Turks are still humanists. Shot down a Syrian plane and immediately reported it. Everyone is happy, thanks to everyone. This is, of course, a new political reality, when one state is conducting military operations against another, but at the same time does not declare war, but shyly hides behind the name "military operation". Brave new world
Sergey Shilov, Alexander Kharchenko

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Maz

Oh, this brave new world

"This crazy, crazy, crazy world" ....

Huxley never dreamed of.

[no better place for]

Peace enforcement operation

[Grits]

Quote: Maz

This is, of course, a new political reality, when one state is conducting military operations against another, but at the same time it does not declare war, but shyly hides behind the name "military operation".

I think everyone has long forgotten when the last time in history was the procedure for declaring war.

[Advisor to the Council of Advisers]

And why not free rockets? Turkey is fighting, so why not toss ammunition, intelligence and pro-thinnings of local groups?
Everything is very logical.

upd. Here, even a step forward, at the right time, America can recall this support of Turkey.

[Maz]

For the third time in the last three days, the Tu-154 Minoboronovsky is now approaching the Khmeimim air base, Syria.

According to "Israeli military specialsialists ", on these sides it is quite possible that representatives of rather scarce military specialties can be delivered to Syria, which with their skills will help the Syrian Armed Forces to eliminate the existing imbalance of forces in the airspace over the north-west of the country.

[Vladimir_2U]

Yeah, the Americans found another fool, because ISIS has almost ended.

[Zaurbek]

After the statement of Turkey on the targeting of missiles by the AWACS B737 aircraft ..... you need to target the AWACS aircraft and move the MiG31 to Syria.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

need an AWAX airplane to target and move to MiG31 to Syria.

Lord! Well, where do such "generals" come from? How can we not recall the notorious cook who runs the state, or at least leads the troops into battle?

[Zaurbek]

The main question is different: Where do people who think they can criticize come from ?!

[dmmyak40]

The fact is that a number of comments and suggestions provoke an acute reaction - to evaluate what has been said.
Well, you yourself, justify the need to move the heavy interceptor to Syria. Reasonedly ...

[Zaurbek]

1. Turkish Air Force began hunting for Assad regime air forces
2. The hunt is conducted at a level inaccessible to the CAA Air Force
3. The scheme of the fight against the CAA Air Force is dangerous for the aerospace forces themselves
4. Turkish aircraft do not enter the borders of Syria, but are firing at aircraft within the borders of Syria.


Conclusion:
1. In case of exacerbation, they will also do the same with VKS.
2. Armed Forces of CAA lose the support of the Air Force on the offensive.

PS We must do something.

[dmmyak40]

PS We must do something.

I completely agree. Like most here. But WHAT to do ...
You have not justified the need for the deployment of EXACTLY MiG-31. Why are they there? Why not Su-30SM or Su-35?

[Zaurbek]

Because the decisive advantage of the Turkish Air Force is the AWACS aircraft, which we do not have ..... and the only aircraft capable of providing the radar with an overview, depth control of Turkey (not near the Syria-Turkey border) and, if necessary, the AWACS defeat and F16 (not crossing the border, and AWACS is further away from the border), this is the MiG31 BM. With long-range explosives

[dmmyak40]

We do not have AWACS aircraft? Strange ... What do you say about the A-50U at Hmeimim?

[Zaurbek]

They are there, that is, then no ..... How to hit AWACS Turkey? Which "shoes" the Syrian Air Force? From deep inside Turkey.

[Vitaly161]

in addition to the A-50U, our Tu-142 (like) reconnaissance is also conducting in Syria, they told you correctly that there’s nothing to do 31m in the ATS, there’s not enough room for him in this puddle, and to shoot down Turkish AWACS, in Turkish airspace, it is ingenious) you can try to counteract (I think they are already trying), but to shoot down, it smacks of delirium

[Zaurbek]

no .... there is one Tu214 ... this is not AWACS, but a very useful aircraft.

[dmmyak40]

Thank you, reminded. But not Tu-142 (this is an anti-submarine version of Tu-95), but Tu-214 with some kind of index. Airborne reconnaissance and geo-sounding aircraft.

[Vitaly161]

thank you for correcting the truth 214th

[dmmyak40]

What does it mean, that is, then no. This is not a regular watermelon to drive it, judging. He’s based there now, judging by the latest pictures
SAM surface systems. With target designation including A-50U. Or from Sushki.

[Zaurbek]

So the Russian Aerospace Forces know everything and look at what is happening from the side.

[Vitaly161]

and Turkey’s war has already been declared? What will we shoot down their planes in their airspace?

[Zaurbek]

Here's how to look ..... Turks shoot at SAA aircraft (like Su24 of the Russian Air Force) from Turkey. You do not think that this has become a tradition (this is planned at the headquarters of the Turkish Air Force) and the eo must be completed!

[Vitaly161]

You have already been told that everyone understands this, and in our General Staff, they are also looking for ways to make it difficult to aim the f16x like their actions, but without a direct hit on them, it is not as simple as it seems

[Zaurbek]

Without a strike on fighters or on AWACS (and the cause is no longer needed for the Air Force SA) this will not stop. You need to understand ....

[Vitaly161]

and f16e and Turkish early warning aircraft are working in their airspace, and while they are there, no one will touch them

[Zaurbek]

Yeo they shoot into the Syrian space ...... where is the guarantee that the Su24 VKS will not be confused with the Su24 CAA Air Force? And what if something happens in the same way that the aerospace forces do not suffer?

[Vitaly161]

these are questions to our General Staff, and not to me, apparently there are agreements that the Turks do not touch our VKS

[Vasyan1971]

The same situation is with Jews attacking from the sky of Lebanon. They, too, for some reason are not shot down ...

[Zaurbek]

Not really. Jews do not defend the enclave with the barmales and do not support their attacks. And the power of Israel is not equal to the power of Turkey .... And you confuse the launch of the Kyrgyz Republic on stationary targets and the downing of aircraft.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

Jews do not defend the enclave with the barmales and do not support their attacks.

This particular and depend on the point of view. True, each has its own and does not depend on truthfulness (excuse me), but on personal convenience. Hitler also had its own truth - the living space of a beloved nation. Pure fact: shelling of a neighboring state from the territory of the third without a possible answer. For a number of reasons.
Are you seriously?

Quote: Zaurbek

Without a strike on fighters or on AWACS (and the cause is no longer needed for the Air Force SA) this will not stop. You need to understand ....

What do you do in life? Plumber, doctor, or financial tycoon? How competent are you in the proposed circumstances? The meaning of your appeals? You are not at a rally to shout "Give me!" and an obedient, heated crowd will run to do good, to do justice, to smash McDonald's, overturn cars and storm the embassy? Can't you yourself see how funny and ridiculous this is? Rrraz and AWACS knocked down, DDVA and MiG-31 for takeoff. Truly, if the cook starts to rule the state, the state will turn into a cook.

[Zaurbek]

And they are not commenting on the Rokosovskys .... but practice shows that the stronger the state, the easier the policy.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

And do not comment on the Rokosovskys

Exactly.

Quote: Zaurbek

need an AWAX airplane to target and move to MiG31 to Syria.

Quote: Zaurbek

Practice shows that the stronger the state, the easier the policy.

Seriously? Like, like a club on the skull, or like P.P. Sharikov, what’s easier?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

You do not think that this has become a tradition (this is planned at the headquarters of the Turkish Air Force) and the eo must be completed!

It is necessary. Definitely. But this issue is not being resolved.

Quote: Zaurbek

need an AWAX airplane to target and move to MiG31 to Syria.

Do you really not understand this?

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Zaurbek

They are there, that is, then no ..... How to hit AWACS Turkey? Which "shoes" the Syrian Air Force? From deep inside Turkey.

R-37M or S-300V4, S-400. The defeat range of all the above good is 400 km. But a political solution is needed, and even taking into account the consequences of such a step (Bosphorus).

[Zaurbek]

Given the mountainous terrain ... these are other ranges ..... The radar is needed at altitude .. and the command center there .... Can the A-50 do this?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

The main question is different:

Exactly: in charge? And "criticize" - in general, or specifically you?

[Zaurbek]

Generally, in principle, .....

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

Generally, in principle, .....

Then the question is: what are you doing here, criticizing the actions-inaction of our military?

[Zaurbek]

I express my opinion on the article above ....., but do not discuss your specific comment on it. With a claim to the truth. That's what I do.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

rather than discussing your specific comment on it

This is an outdoor area. I have the right.

Quote: Zaurbek

need an AWAX airplane to target and move to MiG31 to Syria.

Quote: Zaurbek

That's what I do.

You will excuse me very much, but you are engaged in nonsense. Well, if I were the only one to think so ...

[Zaurbek]

I do not write that "you have not". It's just that your comments don't make any sense. And who and what thinks to me is all the same. There is a well-reasoned comment, but there is a series of "all g ... but".

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

Your comments just don't make any sense.

For such a statement, it is necessary, at a minimum, that your comments, which in this case are primary, carry at least some sense.

Quote: Zaurbek

There is a well-reasoned comment, but there is a series of "all g ... but".

My remark on your stream of consciousness is reasoned enough

Quote: Vasyan1971

Truly, if a cook begins to rule the state, the state will turn into a kitchen.

At the expense of "from the series" all g ... but "" - only your interpretation, dictated by the offense.

Quote: Zaurbek

And who and what thinks I do not care.

Don't be cunning. It would be "all the same", would not be published here, but would have spat on me long ago and forgot.

[Zaurbek]

Summarize:
1. I remained of my opinion.
2. I do not consider your comments informative. They do not carry a semantic load regarding the article and my comments.
3. "Resentment" is the lot of high school girls.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

Summarize:

Of course, this is so.
Especially in terms of the semantic load of YOUR comments.
And most importantly - do not be offended if someone voices common sense.

[Zaurbek]

Well, the semantic load in my comments (right or wrong) is more than yours.
Offended by the lot of schoolgirls. I am a stress-resistant trained person. At work, do not give relax.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

Well, the semantic load in my comments (right or wrong) is more than yours.

In our case, the litmus test is the attitude of passers-by towards them. It is strongly not in your favor, excuse me. It is clear that "everyone can offend an artist", but nevertheless ...

Quote: Zaurbek

I am a stress-resistant trained person.

Yes? Well, thank God, if so.

[Zaurbek]

The selection of passers-by here is not objective.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

The selection of passers-by here is not objective.

I knew you would say that. However, no one supported you. For some reason. Some kind, but the statistics are not in your favor. "This is a fact" ©

[Zaurbek]

Well, what to do ... I do not pretend to be the author of the article. He brought his thoughts. Thanks to everybody, you're free.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

Thanks to everybody, you're free.

Oh, I can’t! Oh, what a happiness!

[Zaurbek]

Do not burst.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Zaurbek

Do not burst.

Thanks, I will try ...

[KVK1]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Well, it is clear to whom the war, to whom the mother is dear.
Missiles will obviously not be delivered by the United States.

but it’s interesting, and Russia supplies Assad with weapons and ammunition for free?
which specialist knows?

[ABM]

Assad on credit, which we then write off (most likely). In Syria - for free. Before the aggravation of the situation, Syria cost, on average, 158 million rubles a day, now, apparently, they no longer count

[KVK1]

158 million rubles a day

if this is 365 days multiplied by 5 years, but by these 158 million .... how many billion will be?
For a long time it was already possible to buy everyone, to give the main basmachi heroes and academicians there ...
and there would be no one to fight Erdogan ... everyone would be our allies ...

[ABM]

"Shurik, are you a Komsomol member? This is not our method!" (FROM)

[Krasnodar]

Quote: ABM

Assad on credit, which we then write off (most likely). In Syria - for free. Before the aggravation of the situation, Syria cost, on average, 158 million rubles a day, now, apparently, they no longer count

Does Syria cost about a billion tanks a year?

[ABM]

$ 5 million a day - more than one and a half. Not expensive

[Krasnodar]

Ghm ... we in 2020 ... 1 $ = 60₽

[ABM]

Oh, yes! for sure. At the beginning of the war, the course was different

[carstorm 11]

if so then it is not so much. taking into account what is at stake.

[Black_PR]

And for what purpose are you interested in?

[Guards turn]

1) Local kerosene. 2) Ammunition that we need to destroy and spend money on them. 3) The salaries are paid by the Syrians.

[Linxs]

Allies fucking!

[Linxs]

Quote: Zaurbek

After the statement of Turkey on the targeting of missiles by the AWACS B737 aircraft ..... you need to target the AWACS aircraft and move the MiG31 to Syria.

There, and without a moment, there is someone to land and how.
Would give only good and command!

[ABM]

two hundred F-16 land a dozen of our DRY ?!
bravely

[Linxs]

Easily.
Only here is the problem that the F-16 does not fly to where the c300 are;) Guess why.
There will be an order. Close and Idlib C300.
No, that’s how they’ll cover the Fy-16 base site .. At least 100 at least 200 pieces.
Yesterday, our fleet brought gifts from the Black Sea Fleet;)

[ABM]

well, a full-scale war with NATO ... There is a sadder relationship

[Teacher67]

Well, NATO is not fools, the stump on conventional weapons is clear, we will lose, but they won’t get under a nuclear club either.

[ABM]

because of Seraciba start a nuclear war? Oh well!

[Fikys]

Quote: ABM

because of Seraciba start a nuclear war? Oh well!

What does Serakib have to do with it ?! You really don’t understand that this is about prestige of the country, and this is not an empty phrase, these are positions in negotiations, this is the weight of statements, this is the opportunity to seriously make territorial claims (respond to such presentations) and even strategic security. The actions of the Russian Federation in this conflict clearly show everyone in the world its readiness / not preparedness for its own self-defense as well.

[Oleg Zorin_2]

I will try to explain to you in a simpler way how this brilliant plan will end. To fill up something flying Turkish is not a question at all. Technically performed at a time. Only then Turkey will declare itself "in military danger" and close the straits. What this threatens recently was highlighted by the retired admiral of the fleet Komoedov. Find interviews and read. The prospects are sad.

[Linxs]

7 years ago you would say that Crimea will be returned to Russia, then you would be immediately answered (to choose):
1. Nata
2. War
3. Sanctions
4. Unrealistic.
5. Nobody will do it and why it is necessary.

But Crimea in the Russian Federation to spite you. Cry, scream, resent, but that's all. He is part of the Russian Federation and let them try to do something.

Turkey in Syria is an occupant. Nobody invited her there. 200 f-16 will fly into Syria. Land. Do not worry! Without your team and your suffering.

[Linxs]

Then think for yourself.

[ABM]

I'll tell you a secret! Just don't tell anyone else! Only 6 of them can take off now. This is not enough! But not much

[rocket757]

In, in, just like minke whales LOVE! They always throw firewood into the fire.
Overseas "stokers" ....

[ximkim]

Quote: rocket757

In, in, just like minke whales LOVE! They always throw firewood into the fire.
Overseas "stokers" ....

Yes, it would have already burned faster, but not blazed .. For some kind of swamp ..

[rocket757]

You can, you can throw something especially intensely burning and blow up the "oxygen" !!! But what will it lead to?

[ximkim]

Nobody loves fire, and if it is controlled, then they bypass it.

[cniza]

There, not only firewoods are ready to toss, but also to pour gasoline ...

[rocket757]

Hi
Blazes no longer as smoldering before.
I would suggest starting to stew! it will be more reasonable.

[cniza]

Too many of our "partners" are not profitable ...
Greetings!

[rocket757]

These are the "partners" they are!
It was not in vain that the song sang "this is such an overseas friend, Sam Brook!" Not in vain, not in vain.

[cniza]

I won't say how I used to talk about such friends, why and where to send, but I really want to, tomorrow will be a very "hot" day.

[rocket757]

Looking forward to and hope.

[open]

Quote: rocket757

In, in, just like minke whales LOVE! They always throw firewood into the fire.
Overseas "stokers" ....

Then they themselves will come as a fire service.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: abror

Quote: rocket757

In, in, just like minke whales LOVE! They always throw firewood into the fire.
Overseas "stokers" ....

Then they themselves will come as a fire service.

And, as usual, "at a certain moment something will go wrong", what would not have flared up without them, they will call to extinguish the Allied Coalition ("I was not the only one who tumbled in the field!") And, as a result, finally everything confuse and ruin.
For the first time or something ...

[rocket757]

Quote: Zoldat_A

And, as usual, "at some point something will go wrong"

And what do the minke whales manage to "extinguish" where the "donkey with a bag of gold" cannot provide what they need ??? Moreover, with that "donkey with a sack", continuous ... discrepancies occur. Those. They equip themselves like a donkey with a sack, and a donkey crawls to the place, well if with a small knapsack ??? on the way dries up many times, for some reason !!!

[rocket757]

They can come easily! Only after this does the ash become no less! Why is that? What kind of "firemen" are they?

[cniza]

This meeting, recall, is scheduled for March 5. It will be held in Moscow.

There are many expectations, but how to negotiate with the Sultan, if he believes that the agreement should be fulfilled by the other side, and he is not necessary ...

[rocket757]

And who thought / planned that it would be easy?
In the East, it’s always like this .... there is one thing at the entrance, but the output will probably turn out quite differently.

[cniza]

Yes, and they must be driven along the "corridor", not allowing them to jump out.

[rocket757]

Painfully there are a lot of barmaley ... they are not needed by the "sultan" on his territory. While they are in charge of Syria, they have a tuft of wool for the "Sultan" ... TERRITORY! And at home, it will be a very dangerous burden and expensive. And that's why it spurred him on!

[cniza]

Still, he’s ready to send the barmaleis to the neighbors, and to himself ..., let's see how he will get out.

[Scipio]

The news is not complete, Trump also promised to help with the coffins ...

[KVK1]

I'm not such a major specialist in military bases (like many on this site)
how many NATO bases are there in Turkey?
how many and what weapons are stored there?
how easy is it for "Trump" to hand this over to the Turkish troops?
when will the next "express" to Syria be from our side? (if the strait is not blocked)
how much can he bring?

to hear an answer from local experts to understand what will Syrian troops fight in a week from?

[Scipio]

They forgot about Iran; in an extreme case, it will go through it. Of course more expensive, but there will be nowhere to go

[ABM]

- One large Incirlik air force base with everything you need, including tactical nuclear weapons and many small objects;
- they will transfer / sell easily, without problems;
- ours are sent by sea and by air almost daily;
- Turkey can block the straits if it considers itself "under the threat of imminent military danger" (the Montreux convention), the war is taking place in Syria, so it is doubtful. Logistics allows us to transport from St. Petersburg everything we need in case of blocking straits, aviation on our own through Iran and Iraq;
- Depends on the intensity of hostilities.

[Teacher67]

And if you block Gibraltar and the Suez Canal?

[ABM]

Gibraltar is impossible, the width is too large, more than the boundaries of territorial waters. Suez only Egypt can block

[Reserve buildbat]

In principle, one can declare that Russia will help Syria with air defense systems "out of existence", after which "surprise" that it was all of a sudden the Turkobesov bandits began to burn before reaching the missile launch line.

[Teacher67]

Are you sure about our air defense systems?

[Mountain shooter]

To promise does not mean to marry!

[knn54]

Settle the Russian Federation and Turkey, to minimize the influence of Moscow in the region.
Have income from the sale of ammunition.
Benefit without putting your finger on your finger ...
And the sultan forgave the Yankees EVERYTHING and attempted coup, and Gulen, and the support of the Kurds.

[Unic]

The choice is small with him.

[Teacher67]

The funniest thing before was in VO, all kinds of jesters were almost written with happiness, that we lured the Sultan to our side.

[sagitch]

US promised to help Turkey in Idlib with ammunition

In dual-use zinc boxes.

[Linxs]

Quote: ABM

well, a full-scale war with NATO ... There is a sadder relationship

again, tales about the war and NATU.
It is disadvantageous neither to us nor to Turkey.
There will be a threat 200pcs Fy -16 .. There will be a proportional response to the threat.

[ABM]

maybe they won’t fight. But then they are obliged to declare war in accordance with the NATO charter, Article 5. Confiscation of all property of the Russian Federation around the world, the arrest of ships, aircraft, accounts, internment of citizens, etc. The current sanctions will seem to us a light instructive slap of the pope on the ass of the presumptuous child.

[KVK1]

and what is

200pcs FY -16

?
I’m here recently on the site, I don’t know the local slang yet ...

[ABM]

200 Turkish F-16 fighter aircraft

[Well done]

Colleagues, I don’t get it, I mixed it ... It seems that Assad has S-300, heaps of Torahs, etc. They exist? Why are F-16s running there? Why can't the same Torahs be tightened up? They are "sharpened" for such purposes. What's the catch? Politics?

[Sky strike fighter]

The joke is that Turkish F-16s do not fly into Syrian airspace, but launch air-to-air missiles through the Syrian Air Force from Turkish airspace. Only Turkish drones that they shoot down fly in Idlib. Or do you suggest shooting down F-16s with with the help of the S-300 in Turkey? And is NATO article 5 a short-range air defense missile torus (up to 15 km), it is more likely to come from the Kyrgyz Republic and drones, although if it gets closer to it, it can also go by air.

[Olezhek]

so

Or do you propose to shoot down the F-16 with the help of the S-300 in Turkey? And is NATO article 5?

At the same time, our aircraft will not enter Turkish airspace.
just forget about the "article" - wiring suckers for the grandmother.

[raki-uzo]

Keywords - Nato and 5th point.

[Ural resident]

It seems to me it is a question of long-range missiles, so that the Turks from their territory could bring down aircraft in the depths of Syria. This seems to be an inconspicuous step, but significant. When the role of drones is reduced and air borders are closed, such tactics can bear fruit. Objects in the depths of Syria will be destroyed with impunity, but not with artillery but with rockets from the air, and again it will not be possible to hit, since the planes will be located as if over the territory of Turkey. Here is such a hybrid war, new challenges that our analysts in the General Staff will have to solve, of course.

[Sky strike fighter]

The Turks have SOM missiles launched from F-16. Over 200 km radius of destruction. So they hardly need the American JAASM-ER with regards to the operation on the scale of Idlib. Most likely they need HARM to suppress air defense and be able to use F- 16, otherwise soon all Turkish shock UAVs will be killed at such a pace. Drones must deplete stocks of air defense missiles. Well, and you need to replenish stocks of air-to-air missiles AIM-120C-7, if the Turks decide to fully engage in the conflict to obtain real results.

[voyaka uh]

The Turks shot down all three Syrian aircraft with AIM-120 missiles from distances of not more than 40 km.
Zaletev, of course, on the territory of Idlib.

[Olezhek]

moreover, in response, it will again be impossible to hit, as the aircraft will be located, as it were, over the territory of Turkey

Missile systems that will be hit in response will be located on Syrian territory ..
Somehow

[faterdom]

Saakashvili already somehow happened ... helped. Spoil the air-to-air.

[KVK1]

Quote: ABM

- One large Incirlik air force base with everything you need, including tactical nuclear weapons and many small objects;
- they will transfer / sell easily, without problems;
- ours are sent by sea and by air almost daily;
- Turkey can block the straits if it considers itself "under the threat of imminent military danger" (the Montreux convention), the war is taking place in Syria, so it is doubtful. Logistics allows us to transport from St. Petersburg everything we need in case of blocking straits, aviation on our own through Iran and Iraq;
- Depends on the intensity of hostilities.

Your answers raise even more questions.
Logistics from St. Petersburg?
You yourself write - every day - how many units are needed with such a "leverage"? Will the transports go alone? or with outposts? Is there anyone to carry this guard? how much will the costs increase? how much money will be enough in this case? what will have to be sacrificed in the military budget? is it worth it?
Are the Syrians themselves, and most importantly Assad, ready for such an aggravation of the situation? if Assad merges (escapes), what will our armed forces do? continue to fight? for what? for whom?

[ABM]

- alone, we are not at war with anyone and an attack on a warship of the Russian Federation is an aggression, and Article 5 of the NATO charter will not work here;
- Maritime transport is the cheapest form of transportation in the history of mankind
- once got involved, now we need to drag, there is no other option. We have an appropriate image - invincible. It is more expensive than any money. If we step back, it will start from all sides (from Estonia to Japan along the entire perimeter);
- Assad is stubborn, he didn’t run away even when the opposition controlled a third of Damascus. He may be overthrown, of course. Then we will sit at the bases, like the Americans in Guantanamo in Cuba, and nobody will shake us out of there before the lease expires.

[Xenofont]

This amers will not be shaken out, but we can easily. Block supplies and buy-by!

[Xenofont]

And what is your shoulder? Well, an extra couple of days. And so the sea is not fast.

[Mentat]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Quote: Zaurbek

need an AWAX airplane to target and move to MiG31 to Syria.

Lord! Well, where do such "generals" come from? How can we not recall the notorious cook who runs the state, or at least leads the troops into battle?

Here are such half-forum cooks who tear T-shirts on themselves (they never wore vests) and shout either about tactical nuclear weapons or about an attack on Turkey.

According to Poddubny, with the beginning of the Spring Shield operation, Turkey launched a propaganda campaign in the media and social networks. Echoes of this "electronic war" we see here on the forum. Not only in the form of clumsy texts of novoregs, but also from already old accounts. But they were sitting, gaining a rating, assenting in the right places for a long time, and now they have “surfaced”. Well, it’s good that they spent these accounts on such nonsense, I think, because the influence of these silly texts is, frankly, on the audience = 0.
Now is the time to take note of who is who.

[Xenofont]

The Syrians 3 hours ago gouged with artillery a Turkish stronghold near Neurab: many were killed and wounded, evacuation is ongoing. The entire M5 highway has been unlocked and is moving west.

[Vitaly161]

well, as if the whole m5 had been released yesterday, and the m4-m5 + forks went back, returned a couple of villages near Sarakib, if they didn’t stop, Neyrab would be taken away soon, and there you look until the 5th and Sarmin would be released

[Xenofont]

As practice has shown, the main thing is not to stop, otherwise you can really get a counter strike.

[Vitaly161]

but I’ll support it, infa went that the Turks were evacuating theirs from Neyrab, good news however

[Xenofont]

Nice to hear if true!

[Vitaly161]

like it should throw off https://twitter.com/MGhorab3/status/1234851210903138308

[ABM]

Turks are hesitant to start their operation. Fucking news! Turkish oporniks are hostages! one hundred and two hundred people, each surrounded by the Syrians! this is a gorgeous trump card!

[KVK1]

Quote: ABM

200 Turkish F-16 fighter aircraft

understandably....
and literacy or religion doesn’t allow some to write correctly?
or think that distorting the name immediately and the plane itself becomes worse?

[ABM]

fu - this is the attitude to the enemy’s aircraft

[KVK1]

fu - this is the attitude to the enemy’s aircraft

I understand that now all sorts of "minuses" will fill up
but the question
what do the Turks call SUSHKI, which they bring down piece by piece per day?
maybe it’s better not to scornfully call the enemy’s equipment, but to shoot down his planes themselves?
or everything in "Fu" goes away?

[ABM]

they’re not shooting down our modern SUSHKIs - Su-35, -30 fighters, Su-34 bombers, but decommissioned Su-24s donated to Assad, let them call them whatever they want, they don’t have such planes and they aren’t even locked up for an air battle with them

[Comrade Michael]

Discussions, like in a nursing home ...)

[no better place for]

In short, this is the case. After the Turks were bombed, Assad was officially called guilty for the general public, and the military was aware that the Russians were there. Therefore, Turkish pilots began a hunt to take revenge, especially waiting for Su 24th. And even Erdogan cannot forbid them to do so. And how did someone propose to beat at the place of their base? One of these places, by the way where Avax is based, is Incirlik

[Sasha_5]

Wherever you throw the options at the chief strategist are not very. The main thing is to have the mind not to make a big mess.

[no better place for]

And if they shot down a Russian plane, they’ll just say sorry, the error came out, we thought it was Assad, you didn’t warn us

[KVK1]

"please treat with understanding"

[Redline]

Here they are, ready to fly.

[ABM]

Each shot down -30 million dollars, well, even this is not the main thing - TURKEY TUPO burned the latest NATO strategy for the war with Russia! Do you think that in vain there was an Israeli officer who claimed that drones would destroy Syrian equipment with missiles? No, the oath doesn’t allow him to reveal his know-how: guided projectiles of the caliber 155 mm self-propelled guns in combination with drones can provide an overwhelming advantage in battles with armored personnel carriers of exactly the Russian army, which is oversaturated with just such equipment

[Klingon]

Quote: Honest Citizen

"Fewer Indians - fewer enemies" (c)

- and more oil
no one actually doubted. the only question is what the GDP will answer. will show his wolfish smile and pat on the shoulder he will give the command to our VKS or continue to buy tomatoes and pump gas to the sultan

[Stalllker]

Turkish military finally merged I would, in a different sense, merge them

[Egg]

I read komenty .... the Turks will crush us .... the straits will close ... Nata will declare war ... FSA will impose sanctions .... the whole world is against us ..... one vomit and defeatist mood .... Stalin not on you.
Nobody will announce anything to anyone, everyone wants to live, they will find reasons not to attack, or they will come up with. Stoltenberg was already wagging his ass.
The thought is rubbed into our brain: to surrender in advance and substitute the ass and accept any humiliation and the thought "if only there was no war"
The information war, it’s such a war.