The era of change. How the world is pushed into the new Middle Ages


Panic due to the Chinese coronavirus has become a detonator that dumps the global economy into "Great Depression 2". The era of the new Middle Ages is coming.


Fear is stronger than infection


Coronavirus infection COVID-19 kills from 1,4 to 3,4% of cases. The current Chinese virus in terms of mortality can not be compared with mortality from the famous "Spaniard". Spanish flu in 1918-1919 killed from 50 to 100 million people with infection of 550 million people. Mortality from the "Spaniard" reached 5-10%.

The new coronavirus and relatively recent epidemics are behind in mortality. So, the Ebola virus killed over 40% of infected people. During an outbreak of SARS in 2003, about 9% of patients with a confirmed diagnosis of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome), also known as SARS, "purple death," died in China. Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) 2012–2019 killed about a third of the sick.

Thus, the lethality from the Chinese virus can not be compared with the "slaughter" of other epidemics. Many more people die from the flu, traffic accidents, drugs and alcohol. But the panic was raised precisely because of the coronavirus. With the threat of disruption of the global economy in a new round of crisis. Already, the commodity sector of many countries, the "Chinese factory", transport companies (including air transportation), the tourism sector are suffering huge losses, and no clearance is yet visible.

Causes of panic


First, it is obvious that parts of the global elite benefit from this situation. Capitalism, the Western world and the financial and economic system (petrodollar system), neoliberalism and consumer society in a deep crisis. The world is sinking deeper into a quagmire that could lead to a global catastrophe. Including biosphere. The way out is in “rebooting the matrix”. With the reduction of humanity, the reduction of consumption, the destruction of part of world production and infrastructure and the restoration of the environment.

The old system must be demolished, "rebooted" humanity. Previously, such problems were solved by a big war. When renewal occurred through destruction. The First World War destroyed the Russian, German, Austro-German and Ottoman empires. World War II destroyed the Third Reich, most of Europe, the Japanese Empire, and soon caused the fall of the British and French colonial empires. The third world war (the so-called cold war) led to the fall of the USSR and the socialist camp.

However, the full-scale fourth world war is very dangerous. It can cause a nuclear apocalypse. Therefore, it is ignited through a series of local and regional unrest and conflict, coups and revolutions, wars, through sanctions, information wars, cyber attacks, etc.

In particular, at the beginning of 2020, they tried to activate the Middle East front of the fourth world war with the help of large-scale provocation - the assassination of Iranian general Suleimani. However, neither Washington nor Tehran wanted a full-scale war. Everything was limited to an Iranian missile strike at a US base in Iraq. At the same time, the Americans knew about this and avoided serious losses.

Therefore, coronavirus became a kind of plan "B", when the plan "A" did not lead to success. All the information power of the world media is aimed at fueling panic.

Secondly, an information attack hit a weak spot. A modern consumer society that has become global, weak and sick. It does not hold a blow. The inhabitants have already seen enough of films and series about the "resident evil", the invasion of zombies and epidemics. Current inhabitants want to live sweetly. And even minimal losses for modern society are unacceptable. Therefore, the current US and European countries can no longer wage a classic war with high losses. The death of hundreds of thousands of Arabs in Iraq and Syria, blacks in Africa for them is an empty phrase. But the death of even several Europeans and Americans is a disaster for them.

Plus a wild drop in the level of upbringing and education since the collapse of the USSR. Hence the wildest rumors and reactions. The first attempts to "witch hunt", as in Little Russia-Ukraine. The epidemic of wild, animal, irrational fear on the planet. A subtle raid of civilization instantly flies. In Iran, a hospital with infected people is ready to burn. A little more, and they will call to burn liners and planes with patients.

New Great Depression


The most important consequences of universal psychosis regarding coronavirus are economic, global. The price of raw materials is falling. Suppliers of raw materials and resources, including the Russian energy power, are under attack. Under attack is the "Chinese factory", where the situation with production is catastrophic. Plus, the financial bubble that the Chinese have been regularly inflating in recent years, and are now trying to flood the crisis with money. Even if China starts to recover, it will be very difficult to return to previous volumes.

It is possible that financial bubbles will burst in the USA and other Western countries, in Japan. The fall of the US stock exchange will be a powerful explosion that will trigger a chain reaction. Since 2008, all the leading central banks of the world have flooded the crisis with money. At the same time, they basically went not into industrial development, into powerful infrastructure projects, but into new financial frauds and speculations, enriched the financial "elite" and caused the impoverishment of most of the population, including the thinned middle class. This overlaps with a series of trade wars. All this leads to the destruction of the old world. Protectionist Trump gets a chance to save the American empire. New empires and “thrones” will grow on the ruins of the old order. Erdogan is creating Ottoman Empire 2 right now. The era of the new Middle Ages and the game of thrones is coming.
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  1. Aerodrome 9 March 2020 05: 37 New
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    The era of change. How the world is pushed into the new Middle Ages
    how ... what up. why are there so many supportive one-day ancient "mihana" on the site? (the correct high-paid BOT is there) yes, they don’t want to delve into it, they put “likes” for the first words without thinking, because education rolls down to the cave, and for the storyteller they stick together, like .. herds, not understanding ... Alea jacta est. horror ... WAKE UP!
    1. depressant 9 March 2020 06: 49 New
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      Well, wake up and start beating each other's faces: "Who woke up?!?" Now there are no large classes of workers and peasants, there are different levels of consumption. "Consumers of all countries, unite!" - so what? The consumer - the individualist, is capable of unification only if he is close to the main feeding trough. The second row, able to push the champing first. Where to wake up? I’m not sleeping - so what? Maslow's pyramid is out of date. She is now a circle with a center of maximum consumption. I am on the circle that borders it, to unite with points on the right and left - there is no one! The only thought for all of them is how to avoid flying out of the circle, the rotation speed is large. The agitator has been replaced by a PR man of the center of the greatest possible saturation, by those who twist the record.
      1. Insurgent 9 March 2020 07: 37 New
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        A modern consumer society that has become global, weak and sick. It does not hold a blow.

        One cannot disagree with this. Unfortunately...
        1. Shurik70 9 March 2020 21: 43 New
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          Trump - to quarantine!
          He shook hands with someone who had previously shook hands with a coronovirus patient ...
          Trump to quarantine

          Trump to quarantine. The politician, who shook hands with the president, said he had previously been in contact with a coronavirus patient. What does the White House say? How does the head of state feel?

          Submitted by Russian America TV Monday, March 9, 2020
      2. Boris55 9 March 2020 08: 52 New
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        Quote: depressant
        Now there are no large classes of workers and peasants,

        In general, there are classes, but not of workers and peasants — this is one class of workers, it is not necessary to oppose them, but a class of exploiters (bourgeois) and exploited (workers and peasants).

        Quote: depressant
        Maslow's pyramid is out of date.

        It is not outdated, just the means of propaganda have changed - their influence has increased. If earlier the only source of information was the pop, reading the “last year's” newspapers and explaining the state’s policy on them to his parishioners, today the pop is in the form of a TV and 20 free channels in every house.

        1. Malyuta 9 March 2020 09: 55 New
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          Quote: Boris55
          today pop, in the form of a TV and 20 free channels, in every home.

          And this multi-channel pop works 24 hours a day, casting a shadow on the fence. In fact, in a global crisis, where the reasons are not important, although they are clearly stated in Capital, where countries like America or China just get off with a light economic runny nose ", then the Russian Federation can catch influenza with severe complications up to lethal.
          1. Boris55 9 March 2020 10: 18 New
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            Quote: Malyuta
            where countries like America or China simply get off with a light economic “runny nose,” the Russian Federation can catch inflation with severe complications, even fatal.

            "... he knew how to judge how the state is getting richer, and how it lives, and why it doesn’t need gold, when a simple product has ..." A.S. Pushkin.

            We have this product 20% of global stocks incl. if anyone omits Russia, this is only a mediocre leadership (as it was in the 90s), but Russia, as a phoenix bird, thanks to its natural reserves (oil, gas, etc.) will revive again. And here they are - that’s another grandmother said in two.
        2. To be or not to be 9 March 2020 10: 43 New
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          "Now there are no large classes of workers and peasants, .." "
          1.A private ownership of fixed assets IS!
          2. THERE are two groups of people - one owns see point 1. And the second is forced to hire them (and there is a labor market and labor force. And with it there is a group of unemployed)
          3 .. There is a great interest of the first group to get PROFIT from production and naturally their great desire to share this profit with their workers wink
          4. There is an uneven distribution between groups of people of the profit ...
          ... but otherwise. a lovely marquise - classes are not
        3. lucul 9 March 2020 11: 49 New
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          If before, the only source of information was the pop, reading the “last year's” newspapers and explaining the state’s policy on them to his parishioners, today, the pop,

          As if the Jews the rabbi did not do the same))))
      3. Malyuta 9 March 2020 09: 38 New
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        Quote: depressant
        Now there are no large classes of workers and peasants, there are different levels of consumption.

        I bet you. An example of the union of workers is France with its yellow vests, Greece, which defended pension payments, the Spaniards can also completely throw off the government in one day, and in South America the people are very hot.
        And the fact that the Russian Federation fit into the world system of division of labor, as a country of peripheral capitalism of the third world of resource providers, managing to occupy the last places in these third lists, is the goal of the authorities and the fault of the peoples themselves who inhabit this territory.
        1. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 09: 57 New
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          Quote: Malyuta
          An example of a workers' union is France with its yellow vests, Greece ...

          ... Ukraine ... laughing yes
          1. Beringovsky 9 March 2020 10: 12 New
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            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: Malyuta
            An example of a workers' union is France with its yellow vests, Greece ...

            ... Ukraine ... laughing yes

            Yeah, on TV, all the brains of Ukraine were eaten by us. We have no other problems, right? They got up from their knees, got off an oil needle ... fellow fellow fellow
            Our economy is, after all, completely independent of oil prices, right? request or not?
            Well, come on, burn, tell us about import substitution, skolkovo, Putin’s wise policy, etc.
            Although fairy tales are usually taken for children at night.
            1. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 10: 17 New
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              Quote: Beringovsky
              Our economy is, after all, completely independent of oil prices, right?

              A completely illiterate question, any economy depends on energy prices. Ours too.

              Quote: Beringovsky
              we on TV have eaten all the brains of Ukraine

              Do not watch TV, I don’t watch, and no one ate me laughing

              Quote: Beringovsky
              Come on, burn, tell us ...

              You’ll manage, I’m full of my affairs tongue
              1. Beringovsky 9 March 2020 11: 05 New
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                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Quote: Beringovsky
                Our economy is, after all, completely independent of oil prices, right?

                A completely illiterate question, any economy depends on energy prices .:

                Aha laughing only for some, a drop in oil prices is a plus, but for us a minus.
                Tell me why?
                Do not watch TV, I don’t watch, and no one ate me

                Yes yes it is laughing But only here you constantly remember her.
                1. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 11: 08 New
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                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  for some, falling oil prices is a plus, but for us, a minus.
                  Tell me why?

                  Come on, interesting wink

                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  only here you constantly remember her

                  Are you talking about Ukraine again? Oh well, it would be a stump. I just had to say a word: France - "vests", Greece - well, they were always gouging, how can one not recall Ukraine? laughing
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                    1. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 11: 40 New
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                      Quote: Beringovsky
                      Quote: Beringovsky
                      for some, falling oil prices is a plus, but for us, a minus.
                      Tell me why?

                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Come on, interesting

                      And you go better and try to buy Russian goods. Maybe you’ll understand what’s what

                      The drain is protected. Not knowing the ford - do not pop into the water.
                  2. Beringovsky 9 March 2020 12: 05 New
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                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Quote: Beringovsky
                    for some, falling oil prices is a plus, but for us, a minus.
                    Tell me why?

                    Come on, interesting wink

                    Very interesting?
                    Well then, go shopping, look for Russian goods. Find a lot?
                    Maybe then you yourself will find the answer that everyone knows.
                    1. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 12: 07 New
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                      Quote: Beringovsky
                      Maybe then you yourself will find the answer that everyone knows

                      Man, this is not the answer. You promised to clearly explain why

                      Quote: Beringovsky
                      for some, a drop in oil prices is a plus, but for us, a minus

                      Waiting for yes
                      1. Beringovsky 9 March 2020 12: 34 New
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                        Buddy wassat - this is the answer! And you understood him, of course.
                        If we do not really produce anything for export (and for ourselves, too), except for oil and gas, then with a fall in oil prices we can buy much less. It's as simple as twice two.
                        You’ll sell the barrel half as much to the same Chinese, but the Chinese will not give you the phone, flashlight or machine for cheaper. So that.
                        And the reason for this is our manic obsession with the extraction and sale of oil and gas and the indifferent (if not worse) attitude to everything else.
                        If we allocate 240 billion rubles for mechanical engineering, and 6 trillion rubles (24 times more !!!) for the exploration and development of deposits in the Arctic, then what result can be expected?
                        We even stopped releasing bearings. What for wink because you can buy them by selling oil, right?
                        Do you want numbers? There will be numbers.
                      2. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 12: 49 New
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                        Beringovsky

                        Gosss ... old, textured to holes holes:

                        - we do not export anything except oil and gas (lies)
                        - we do not produce anything, we buy everything for currency (lies)
                        - we do not develop anything except the "oil industry" (lies)
                        - the dollar will rise, and prices will rise immediately for all (lies)

                        Not tired yet?

                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        Do you want numbers? There will be numbers

                        Come on ... laugh together yes
                      3. Beringovsky 9 March 2020 13: 19 New
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                        Lets do it. Let's start right from the main thing (why go around, yes?) Namely, from the machines, because everything is produced on them, right?
                        Here is the consumption of metalworking machines in the world in 2010-2018, million dollars, per capita
                        Source - Gardner Research.


                        We are there after Vietnam and not far from India. Are you laughing already?
                        But the production of the same machines.

                        Do you see Russia there? So I do not see.
                        Continue to laugh?
                      4. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 13: 22 New
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                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        Continue to laugh?

                        Can you read well? I already said - "who produces how much" - in the context of our discussion - about nothing.

                        The structure (and, preferably, the volume, in comparison with the domestic production of the imported goods) - in the studio good

                        But I'm afraid it will be too difficult for you wink
                      5. Beringovsky 9 March 2020 13: 48 New
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                        You will see the structure and volume yourself later. Will it be at a price of oil $ 30 not at all the same as at $ 60, or is it difficult for you to understand?
                        And we will continue to "laugh." I promised bearings, here you have bearings. Why they? Yes, because everything revolves on them.

                        Do you see Russian companies there? Let me tell you, they are under the letters YPC (European Bearing Company) as much as 0,31%, this is the volume!
                        In 2019, 42 757,6 thousand units of ball or roller bearings were produced in Russia, which is -5,1% less than the production volume of the previous year.
                        Once again - 42 million 757 thousand
                        This is a complete failure. For comparison, one SKF company produces about 600 million bearings per year - 15 times more than our entire industry.
                        Is it necessary to say that we buy 90% of bearings for currency?
                      6. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 13: 52 New
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                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky

                        Yes, stop flooding already, my dear! You are asked a specific question, do not want to answer - do not answer.

                        I repeat, your bearings have nothing to do with the matter:

                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        You’ll sell a barrel half as much to the same Chinese, but a Chinese man willn’t give you a phone, a flashlight or a machine. So that

                        You said? So let’s say that the Russian Federation is so much dependent on energy exports:

                        - how much and what the Russian Federation sells (amounts)
                        - how much and what it buys (amounts, quantity)
                        - how much and what of the purchased item produces itself (quantity)


                        But with such information, a substantive, constructive conversation is already possible.

                        Waiting for yes
                      7. Beringovsky 9 March 2020 14: 03 New
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                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky

                        Yes, stop flooding already, my dear! You are asked a specific question, do not want to answer - do not answer.

                        I repeat, your bearings have nothing to do with the matter:

                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        You’ll sell a barrel half as much to the same Chinese, but a Chinese man willn’t give you a phone, a flashlight or a machine. So that

                        You said? So let’s say that the Russian Federation is so much dependent on energy exports.

                        Waiting for yes

                        Ha ha, if you can’t put together what we produce and what we sell with what we are forced to buy, how will I explain something to you?
                        However, if you are guided your logic, then the fall of the ruble occurs only by God's will crying , because there are no objective prerequisites for this, right? Or how? Masons again?
                      8. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 14: 16 New
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                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        you cannot link together what we produce and what we trade with that we are forced to buy

                        I can do everything, but "the burden of seeking evidence lies with the approver" (c). You said that the Russian Federation is critically dependent on oil and gas exports, but you cannot prove it. Even though I told you twice what it takes to prove it wink

                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        How can I explain something to you?

                        No way. You do not know how to do this, calm down already.

                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        if you are guided by your logic, then ...

                        No need to ascribe to me hastily invented flawed logic.

                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        the fall of the ruble takes place only by God's will

                        No. The fall occurs for completely objective reasons. But this is far from what we tried to discuss.buddy yes

                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        So? Or how? Masons again?

                        Troll? In vain. I eat packs so peppy for breakfast, and don’t burp ... happily, "opponent" tongue
                      9. Beringovsky 9 March 2020 14: 59 New
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                        Golovan Jack
                        The fall occurs for completely objective reasons. But this is far from what we tried to discuss, my friend

                        Are you saying this? Well then show what these "objective reasons" are. Prove it with arguments, not empty phrases.
                        Well, prove it,
                        Golovan Jack
                        “the burden of seeking evidence rests with the approver”

                        Waiting with laughing
                        Although I have no doubt that in addition to empty rhetoric you will not be anything.
                      10. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 15: 12 New
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                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        Are you saying this? Well then show what these "objective reasons" are.

                        I've told:

                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        this is far from what we were trying to discuss

                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        Well, prove

                        Well, they say that arrogance is second happiness ... no no first belay

                        Man, how can anyone ask for evidence before, learn to answer for your words, hop? Then we’ll talk. In the meantime, get it, otherwise I will start to go wild laughing
                      11. Beringovsky 9 March 2020 15: 46 New
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                        From all this sheet, I understood only that there is no answer why the ruble is falling for you no.
                        So, my friend))))
                2. Malyuta 9 March 2020 14: 22 New
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                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  However, if you are guided by your logic, then the ruble will fall only by God's will, because there are no objective prerequisites for this, right? Or how? Masons again?

                  I have already tried both asking and explaining, but they have no logic, they just troll and lead away from the essence.
                  So, Comrade, we are defending our position firmly, clearly and clearly, and the flood-mongers, cannons and trolls are our proletarian muzzle without oil and NO PASARAN !!! good drinks
                3. Beringovsky 9 March 2020 15: 29 New
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                  Well, I have no doubt that many of them here do not write comments for free. So at least spit in their eyes, they will say God's dew.
                  But the truth is ours drinks
                4. dali 9 March 2020 18: 13 New
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                  Quote: Beringovsky

                  Well, I have no doubt that many of them here do not write comments for free. So at least spit in their eyes, they will say God's dew.
                  But the truth is ours


                  Golovan Jack already asked you:
                  "So let’s say that the Russian Federation is so much dependent on energy exports:
                  - how much and what the Russian Federation sells (amounts)
                  - how much and what it buys (amounts, quantity)
                  - how much and what of the purchased item produces itself (quantity) "

                  Are you partisans ?! laughing laughing laughing

                  shl
                  Silent, do you think any crap about me?
                  laughing laughing laughing
                5. dali 9 March 2020 18: 14 New
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                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  Well, I have no doubt that many of them here do not write comments for free. So at least spit in their eyes, they will say God's dew.
                  But the truth is ours

                  Well, I agree, maybe you are one of them.
                6. dali 9 March 2020 18: 26 New
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                  Well, I have no doubt that many of them here do not write comments for free.

                  So to say draining comments:

                  Well ... in previous posts ...
                  Bearings, bearings ... well, to hell with them ...

                  The future is without friction.

                  The future is with new materials:

                  Russia has launched the world's largest production of graphene nanotubes:
                  https://ria.ru/20200211/1564535545.html
                  Let's just say Russia is a monopolist now ...
                7. Dangerous 10 March 2020 16: 47 New
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                  You won the discussion in one wicket. Your opponent was apparently not ready that you would explain everything in such a reasoned manner and except that you couldn’t say anything to the studio and couldn’t say anything else. It was nice to read!
          2. dali 9 March 2020 18: 07 New
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            Quote: Golovan Jack
            But with such information, a substantive, constructive conversation is already possible.

            I do not always agree with your posts on VO ... but here, right not in the eyebrow, but in the eye ...
        2. Ka-52 18 March 2020 10: 50 New
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          Beringovsky (Alexey)

          Do you see Russian companies there? Let me tell you, they are under the letters YPC (European Bearing Company) as much as 0,31%, this is the volume

          you with your thoughtless copy-paste only confirm that you are good at managing Ctrl + Sht + C and Ctrl + Sht + V. But do not think or argue on the basis of your own analysis of the situation.
          How tired of these geostrategic and politico-economic analysts making thunderous statements in the interval between drinking beer and picking out acne.
  2. Serg65 9 March 2020 14: 30 New
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    Quote: Beringovsky
    We even stopped releasing bearings.
    Do you want numbers?

    Yes, please, the numbers are here ..
    https://vlad-burtsev.livejournal.com/558172.html
    Quote: Beringovsky
    You’ll sell a barrel half as much to the same Chinese, but a Chinese man willn’t give you a phone, a flashlight or a machine cheaper

    Tell the Chinese the amount of goods you want to buy and be very surprised by the scatter in the price of a phone, flashlight or machine wink
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    What does it have to do with
    be very surprised by the variation in the price of a phone, a flashlight

    What are you talking about?
    Or are our flashlights sold to this day in China bought by the piece?
    I did not understand the argument, to be honest.
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    Quote: Beringovsky
    What are you talking about?

    I generally talk about it ..
    Quote: Beringovsky
    You’ll sell a barrel half as much to the same Chinese, but a Chinese man willn’t give you a phone, a flashlight or a machine cheaper

    Quote: Beringovsky
    Or are our flashlights sold to this day in China bought by the piece?
    Did not understand the argument

    The argument is that the larger the purchased consignment, the lower the price and this formula is the same for everyone, not just for us and the Chinese! It follows from here that your words above are just raw materials for the fan!
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    Is it intelligible now?
    Or do we need to give figures, how much of what we produce and how many others?
    I can, just ask.
  6. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 12: 51 New
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    Or do we need to give figures, how much of what we produce and how many others?

    This is about nothing. Here is the structure and volumes of export-import of the Russian Federation - yes, it would be interesting yes
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    Specifically, what kind of stores? Let me try to put in a word for you for our domestic manufacturer! For example, let’s say I see a lot around me - from food and clothing to cars and even processors!
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      Let me try to put in a word for you for our domestic manufacturer

      Spit. We overfeed, and this is not useful. Even trolls laughing
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      Or maybe I’ll want him in one sitting! laughing
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      Quote: Nameless
      Or maybe I’ll want him in one sitting!

      Well I do not know. This is an old, obscene animal laughing
    4. Nameless 9 March 2020 13: 59 New
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      What, skinny and sinewy animal already? Does meat give off bitterness? So nothing - I’ll try my old recipe: just rub it with salt and red pepper! Everything is classic, when I stayed in the wild and had to eat "pasture"! laughing
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      I'll try my old recipe: just rub it with salt and red pepper ...

      ... having previously skinned. Dreams Dreams request laughing
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      As they say, until you try - you won’t know!
      You say so, as if you feel sorry for him. Your skepticism causes me cognitive dissanance!
    7. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 14: 23 New
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      You say it like you feel sorry for him

      Rarity. "There are none of these, and soon will not be at all" (c).

      Over, flood prohibited stop
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    And where do you see the "Russian processors"? On the Madeownas site?
    Or have you already bought a laptop with Elbrus? laughing
    Well, let's see purely Russian cars - this is Niva (there are very few imported components). How many of them were collected in 2019? Already 32 thousand, with a total volume of 1 million 723 thousand, another Grant - 132 thousand. That is less than 10%.
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    "Viy - open your eyes!" laughing
    Elbrus and Baikal are massively purchased by Russian Railways, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Moscow Region and other public services. Willingly purchased for the production of CNC machines, network equipment, industrial controllers and office equipment. It is not used for game consoles and PCs - the wrong market was created. However, it alone is the first step in this direction!
    We also create motherboards and video cards: it’s enough to recall the products of the Formosa company, which were popular in the mid-2000s. True, video cards are being created quite recently, and only for public services, and not for the multimedia market - but the first steps have already been taken in this direction
    By the way: Intel Pentium processors are based on our Elbrus. Therefore, a little crooked soul can pretend that they are ours laughing
    Would buy - the price only bites. Comp with a processor similar to Power PC is a very valuable acquisition! A kind of Kalashnikov from processors!
    Yes, cars are reluctant to buy ours because of the previously tarnished reputation of the domestic auto industry, that it can only produce buckets with bolts and nuts and not human cars. Due to the inability of the domestic auto industry to produce competitive products, he found himself in the position of a wrestler who was almost put on his shoulder blades. The market is captured by venerable auto manufacturers - and you need to fight with them for a piece of the pie carefully.
    Food, clothing, basic necessities - this is everywhere in large quantities I see on store shelves every day.
    What more do you need?
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    Oh everyone! Have to attach.
    So, "Baikal."
    Yeah, the "domestic" chip laughing , made in Taiwan using 28 nm technology, a technology that is about a decade old. Cool, cho. Well, let's see what this "achievement." winked

    The price of the chip is about $ 65 (TR 3.7).
    Is there a test board for testing software and hardware? There is, only here is the price of the board ~ 150t.r. (!!!!!!) belay it's really cool for a chip at the price of 3.7t.r.! A sensible question arises: “Why would this be?”, While test boards from Freescale / NXP, TI, Atmel in the price range of ~ 60 $ (3.6t.r.) to ~ 400 $ (23t.re.) From the manufacturer . There is no reasonable answer for the price, as always. Do not want to - do not take it!
    Nobody takes it.

    What is the situation with Baikal-T1 software today? according to the requirements of our task?

    Yes, in any way! request Linux only. There is no support for any RTOS, nor "bare-metal", nothing more. It is as if someone is porting QNX to Baikal-T1 there, but no one knows for sure.

    What about debugging tools? Do not believe it, but all the same: No way! Neither the BE development environment nor the JTAG emulator have been designed and debugged for the specific chip with its peripherals, nor is it expected. They said, compile and use yourself at your own risk!
    This is the approach! Class! good

    Let's go through another "achievement" - Elbrus? Or something to answer on the first accident?
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    For some reason, I think that American iPhones manufactured in China are the norm for you, and if we manufacture processors on lines in Taiwan, then this is bad. It’s very similar to double standards, don’t you think so? Okay, calm down, the Mikron and Angstrem-T plants can also make chips here. As soon as they launch a line with the necessary topological level, they will stop producing them at foreign facilities.
    Regarding the outdated technical process and technologies, I’ll tell you this: in the IT environment there is such a thing as “reasonable sufficiency”. This is when to perform certain tasks it is not necessary to be at the peak of progress. Let's just say that in order to watch video on a normal PC, listen to music, type texts and surf the Internet, you don’t necessarily need an eight-core processor with 64-bit architecture, 16 GB of RAM, a sophisticated video card - any machine even 15 years old will do for this. You can laugh, but US government agencies still use 8-inch floppy disks, and the Shuttles flew on-board computer using the 486th processor! Baikal was created for very definite purposes - and it copes with them quite well. In addition, it was not created according to x86 architecture - as a bodybuilder, it does not need to possess large muscles in the form of multiple cores or a large cache. It’s like comparing the rolled homogeneous armor of a tank with a modern composite armor - the latter is thinner but stronger than the former. For components that will be used in the industrial, defense or government sectors, the latest IT achievements are not always used. So, in industry, the Centronics interface is still used.
    The developer kit (the same design and debugging environments you mentioned with other software) is produced by T-Platforms. They also make the debug boards you mentioned - not only at 150K, but at 135K - well, for the price tag, this is already a question for the monopoly’s conscience.
    In order for someone to port proprietary software to a specialized processor, they must have an economic interest for this. For QNX, Microsoft and Apple, this is just a niche market from which they will not be able to get solid profits - whether it’s the business for them the gadget or PC market!
    Linux \ BSD is our everything! Therefore, do not la la! Other Linux or BSD will shut up MacOS, VxWorks, and QNX. Linux is one and diverse in its faces - it can be anything: server-based, cryptographic, multimedia, RTOS, or microkernel.
    PS - "QNX Neutrino" works on Elbrus
    PSS - are you trying to evade the topic of our conversation and transfer it to a discussion of the fact that Baikal and Elbrus are shit?
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    no need to tell tales to people.
    You can use Baikal, but this is not a serious development, but crutches for the disabled. Will you give these crutches to users? Do they need it? Forced only.
    By the way, how many Baikal-Elbrus have been implemented? What is their share in the domestic market, close to zero? Close, yes.
    This is an indicator.
    Okay, calm down, the Mikron and Angstrem-T plants can also make chips here. As soon as they launch a line with the necessary topological level, they will stop producing them at foreign facilities.

    Angstrom T - bankrupt since the end of November, apparently you are not in the know?
    A micron rivets chips according to the ancient as a substance of mammoth technology 65nm. They want $ 1,5 billion for a new line of 28 nm, and the term is up to 2027 (ha, how familiar!))))
    But who will need them then?
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    You will first learn to read me carefully - and then think about what market this processor is intended for: for office use, for servers, for industrial applications, in the defense industry, for embedded solutions, high-performance computing, cryptography, for professional workstations, gadgets, telecommunications, network equipment, SOHO segment, or for a child to play Cruises at maximum speed? You first answer not this question - then we will discuss crutches. It goes without saying that there is no and probably will not be Windows on Baikal with Word, Excel, DirectX and top games - this is not for that.
    Go deep into history, as products with a similar architecture, with smaller numbers in specifications, from DEC, Sun Microsystem torn products from Intel and AMD, which had more gigahertz and cache, in terms of performance on rags. I will repeat my analogy once again: Elbrus \ Baikal \ Power PC is a kind of Bruce Lee, Intel and AMD products are a bodybuilder unhappy with steroids and methane.
    But how many of them are realized is a mystery under seven seals. In any case, they were transferred to Russian Railways, Moscow Region, Federal Security Service, Ministry of Internal Affairs, Federal Security Service and Co-operation
    News about Angstrom passed me by.
    Regarding the process technology - you talk like a schoolboy, for whom the more cores and operatives - the cooler the comp. I repeat that not everyone in this world here and now needs the most advanced developments in the field of IT - this is how no one is trying to change the AK-74.
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    Not only that, still massively, as I understand it, they work in factories .... factories. Everyone is involved in the production sector and wants it in it.
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    Let's start from the end.
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    Food, clothing, basic necessities - this is everywhere in large quantities I see on store shelves every day.

    Let's talk about quality? Bread is either expensive (from 50-60 rubles per loaf), or its quality ... Not a cake, in a word. Milk - if not at the market in the suburban villagers (this is EXACTLY not about large cities, everything is bought up by dealers for a pittance and sold for nifigovyh amounts with a large margin), then firstly, expensive (from 70 r per liter), secondly secondly, not sour even for a week. And this is far from milk. Sausage - the same thing: either not even out of paper, or not afford a quarter of the population of Russia. Poultry - well, at least here our agriculture somehow comes to life. The meat of animals is on holidays, for it is specifically expensive. Continue to continue?
    Clothing is entirely China with a dilution of Turkish textiles. I meet the domestic only at home, in Cheboksary, where our KBC somehow survives. Shoes are the same China.
    Essentials. I can’t argue that almost everything is produced with us, but a lot is under foreign brands. Accordingly, it can quickly get out of Russia.
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    Yes, cars are reluctant to buy ours because of the previously tarnished reputation of the domestic auto industry, that it can only produce buckets with bolts and nuts and not human cars. Due to the inability of the domestic auto industry to produce competitive products, he found himself in the position of a wrestler who was almost put on his shoulder blades. The market is captured by venerable auto manufacturers - and you need to fight with them for a piece of the pie carefully.

    The cars were pretty decent. So much so that after 20 years they continue to ride. Yes, somehow, but nonetheless. And in the outback they feel much better than foreign cars. But yes, the domestic auto industry lost outright the information war, because NOBODY (including the state) did not speak out in its defense. Although they worked on a radical improvement of the situation, and by the end of the 80s they were almost ready, if not breakthrough, then quite competitive models. But - what happened ... what happened ... What - welcome to the Automobile Museum in Moscow (when I visited there - I got it, what could be produced if it weren’t for the 91st year). And yes, now we do not even have the production of our cars (trucks) without foreign components, for example, gearboxes, engines. I’m not even talking about cars - solid “screwdrivers” or licensed production, practically none of their own.
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    By the way: Intel Pentium processors are based on our Elbrus. Therefore, a little crooked soul can pretend that they are ours

    This is where such infa ??? For Intel and without Elbrus, the ancestors of the Pentium had enough since the 71st year.
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    We also create motherboards and video cards: it’s enough to recall the products of the Formosa company, which were popular in the mid-2000s.

    And where are they now ??? How much I was looking for - I did not find, completely Intel, AMD and their various clones.
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    Willingly purchased for the production of CNC machines, network equipment, industrial controllers and office equipment. It is not used for game consoles and PCs - the wrong market was created.

    The machines above have already been explained. If you do not understand (or do not want to understand), then this is not good, to say the least. And it is used in PCs, such, for example, the army and the FSB are supplied, only the performance of such computers is lower than that of foreign ones.

    Disagree - counterarguments, please. To send "to Google" - I will send back, like a tauktiinin.
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    Well, it’s full, it’s not necessary to prejudice me as a messenger in Google laughing I still have the rules of decency and Honor! laughing
    I'll start with the Pentium pedigree: Vladimir Pentkovsky, one of the participants in the creation of Elbrus, who emigrated to the USA after the collapse of the USSR, had a hand in creating it. Ancestors in the form of a series of 88 \ 86th processors yes, Intel had it, but there are absolutely no ancestors with superscalar architecture like Elbrus.
    As for the meal: a white wheat loaf of 15 rubles is quite tasty. A loaf of black - about 30-36 rubles. And now STOP: the last speaker tried to shift the discussion from discussing the mass and ubiquity of our manufacturer to its origin in the form of whose raw materials and on whose equipment it was produced. So to speak, I tried to get away from the topic of our conversation. Are you also trying to do this? Trying to translate a discussion into a discussion of product quality?
    Sausage looking where to buy. You can go into some kind of networker with stocks - so it’s quite possible to choose a suitability for price and taste. In general, respectively, their margins. Meat, poultry and fish are fish, respectively. Feather pasta - about 15-20 rubles, salt, sugar, butter, cereals - is also very cheap. Vegetables - 16 \ 20 rubles per kilogram of potatoes. Fruits are a bit more expensive. Or did you mean food by "white people" - hazel grouse in sauce, lobster, chianti?
    Clothing - likewise also depending on where. In the markets you can find products from both Chinese to Turkish, and Uzbek to Russian. The latter is not uncommon.
    I completely agree with you regarding driving around Gluhoman bumps and abysses in domestic cars. Riding a Mercier for potatoes is like plowing a field with an atomic icebreaker laughing The only thing is that people value quality and convenience - that's why they moved everything to foreign cars.
    Motherboards - "Monocub-M" for Elbrus and Rikor, the video card is still one - Rainbow.
    The point is not in performance so that a young fool can play a cruise at maximum speed or watch obscenities in HD, but regardless of potentially unreliable components with “bookmarks” from foreign partners. Moreover, ours did not pursue the thick bus, the number of cores and the cache size, but went the asymmetric path along the alternative architecture, which can be 32-bit, and has only half a couple of gigahertz of performance, but surpasses some 64- Hipsters and multi-core. A kind of asymmetric answer in the style of AMD, which produced much cheaper (albeit at the same Intel architecture) processors than their direct competitor, albeit even a little weaker in performance (but sometimes even superior). If you need performance, then I think you can collect them in clusters.
    Regarding the production of PCs with Baikal, I’m saying that it is bought by the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Federal Security Service, the Moscow Region, the Federal Security Service, Russian Railways and other government agencies. It is used a lot where. The only niche in which it is definitely not there is gaming consoles and gaming PCs.
    As for the machines, last year StankoMashStroy was opened in Penza. In total, there are about 100 factories and enterprises engaged in the production of machine tools in the country.
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    Quote: Nameless
    Well, it’s full, it’s not necessary to prejudice me as a messenger in Google. I still have the rules of decency and Honor!

    Urraaa! There are adequately conversing people on the site !!!
    Quote: Nameless
    I'll start with the Pentium pedigree: Vladimir Pentkovsky, one of the participants in the creation of Elbrus, who emigrated to the USA after the collapse of the USSR, had a hand in creating it. Ancestors in the form of a series of 88 \ 86th processors yes, Intel had it, but there are absolutely no ancestors with superscalar architecture like Elbrus.

    I didn’t know, thanks. Now I know more.
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    As for the meal: a white wheat loaf of 15 rubles is quite tasty. A loaf of black - about 30-36 rubles.

    If we take the nearby shops in Moscow (I know, I know, Moscow is not quite Russia), then I practically don’t see normal white bread with a brick, but loaves are solid. But, no, I'm lying, sliced ​​bread for sandwiches still exist. But this is not ours. So about the loaves. Price: 18 rubles - not very tasty, I can’t eat it, I just can’t. Normal - 25-28 rubles at the Crossroads, it is really tasty, but you still need to get to it decently. Black - for 35-40 rubles is quite decent.
    Quote: Nameless
    And now STOP: the last speaker tried to shift the discussion from discussing the mass and ubiquity of our manufacturer to its origin in the form of whose raw materials and on whose equipment it was produced. So to speak, I tried to get away from the topic of our conversation. Are you also trying to do this? Trying to translate a discussion into a discussion of product quality?

    I’m not trying to translate the topic, I’m also speaking for quality, not only for mass character and domesticity. Didn't you say that our auto industry lost the competition? But isn’t it in the food sector? There is. Just as it is. Because of the quality and I say. And the price, by the way, too, because the ratio of "price-quality" is still important. Although, to whom do I explain this?
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    Sausage looking where to buy. You can go into some kind of networker with stocks - so it’s quite possible to choose a suitability for price and taste. In general, respectively, their margins. Meat, poultry and fish are fish, respectively. Feather pasta - about 15-20 rubles, salt, sugar, butter, cereals - is also very cheap. Vegetables - 16 \ 20 rubles per kilogram of potatoes. Fruits are a bit more expensive.

    The fact of the matter is that prices in networkers are overpriced, and so that you can buy either at discounts, or if you desperately need it, or chickens do not peck money from the buyer. But in general - yes, you can find something decent. Although you have to go around several areas on your feet or public transport. I won’t say anything in general - I don’t know. You can, by the way, ask: where did you find potatoes of 16-20 r per kilo? I also want so ... Less than 30 I have not seen in the last month. Macaroni of decent profitability - 40-50 r per pack, if you need to survive - then 25-27 r, but you have to choke even with hunger. And besides, I don’t know how to cook (the soul doesn’t lie, so I’m not even trying to learn, I won’t be able to do it anyway), so I won’t make a candy out of it. Salt - 40 r per kilo, sugar - 45-50 r (with discounts - and for 35 you can find, but rarely). For cereals: buckwheat - 45-55 r per kilo, rice - the same. I take the rest rarely and a little, so I don’t pay much attention to the price, but it is average for all the surrounding shops, so there are norms. Vegetable oil, by the way, is expensive: from 100 to 130 r per liter (depending on the network and the manufacturer). Fruits, again, are usually more than 100 r per kilo, except for the summer and autumn months, when at least apples can be grabbed cheaply.
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    Or did you mean food by "white people" - hazel grouse in sauce, lobster, chianti?

    Pffff, it’s not food for me, but it’s already dumb, not about my honor ...
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    Clothing - likewise also depending on where. In the markets you can find products from both Chinese to Turkish, and Uzbek to Russian. The latter is not uncommon.

    Yes, you can generally find a lot in the markets, but the setup is that domestic products are usually sold in those areas where there is still textile production. In other places, it is cheaper to take in bulk Chinese.
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    The only thing is that people value quality and convenience - that's why they moved everything to foreign cars.

    In fairness, I’ll say that not everyone moved to foreign cars, but very many. There is a difference, right? Often I meet Nashchen cars such as the Lada, UAZ (which “goat", "loaves", by the way, also come across), Volga. Occasionally, even such rarities as the Volga of the early series, Seagulls, and Victory come across. But this is a single instance for connoisseurs ... And yes, the bulk are foreign cars, and inexpensive in relative cost.
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    Motherboards - "Monocub-M" for Elbrus and Rikor, the video card is still one - Rainbow.

    I have not met any of this yet. Generally. I will take a word.
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    The point is not in performance so that a young fool can play a cruise at maximum speed or watch obscenities in HD, but regardless of potentially unreliable components with “bookmarks” from foreign partners.

    So it is understandable, although performance is not the last thing in principle. Yes, and “bookmarks” are not only in the “hardware”, but also in software, but it’s hard with the OS, the dominance of Microsoft is almost everywhere. Programs are a different matter, everything is much better, there are enough of them, and in many areas of activity, from serious ones, such as design and conditional accounting, to the same games (some even in the West are considered very good).
    Something like that.
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    In principle, this is good bread - but here, as they say about tastes, they do not argue. On the contrary, I don’t like a wheat loaf - it crumbles terribly, you can’t cut it normally and when you chew it it seems as if you are trying to overpower a rubber halahup with your jaws. And instead of fresh bread, I liked making black croutons with onions or garlic from loaves.

    No, just Comrade Beringovsky (the one with whom I argued about the mass and ubiquity of our manufacturer and its products) turned out to be dishonest and was caught trying to manipulate facts and information. In particular, he tried to jump from one topic to another. And if we argued about one thing, then why expand the scope of the subject of the dispute with another subset of entities in the form of quality or purebred origin of goods?

    The fact of the matter is that in network stores prices are lower than in rural stores - in recent times, similar products can be sold with a large margin. At least with us it’s just that - it’s better to go to a neighboring city to a networker than to go spend money in our shops. For a similar amount in a networker, you can buy a much larger range of products than in a rural store.

    I mainly buy in Pyaterochka - there are 15 loaves of bread, potatoes of 16-20 per kilo, sunflower oil (Gold) for ~ 60 rubles, and pasta for 11-20 rubles. Ryazhenka - 26-30 rubles. Authentic Belarusian deaf (Rogachev) - the same somewhere in the region of 50-60 rubles (if memory serves). Therefore, when some here again raise screams about the fact that food prices are rising, I am a little perplexed about what they are (and hands are reaching for the Mauser), because similar prices for these products have been holding for 5-6 years. All food is tasty and edible. I have a habit of buying products in bulk and for the future when stock sales begin. I don’t take any pampering - if only to pamper myself a little. Buckwheat houses are cheap like some other survivist. I buy it somewhere once a week or two.

    So I'm talking about the fact that there are people in this world who perceive normal food (cereals, vegetables, fruits, groceries, flour, pasta) as food for the poor.

    GNU \ Linux is everything. An international project that shamed Billy with his Windows. The person who mastered Linux is like God. To run Windows programs under Linux, there are virtual machines and (drum drums!) A Windows emulator called Wine laughing So for 5 years now I’ve completely managed without Windows - having completely and unconditionally joined the penguin camp.
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    Quote: Nameless
    In principle, this is good bread - but here, as they say about tastes, they do not argue. On the contrary, I don’t like a wheat loaf - it crumbles terribly, you can’t cut it normally and when you chew it it seems as if you are trying to overpower a rubber halahup with your jaws. And instead of fresh bread, I liked making black croutons with onions or garlic from loaves.

    With rubber hula hoops it’s just that horseradish white bread. Good is a very tasty thing, but it depends on the bakery, and very much. Well, they don’t argue about tastes.

    Z.Y. Toast with garlic is a thing, I admit. Especially with a light drunk. Mmm ...

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    The fact of the matter is that in network stores prices are lower than in rural stores - in recent times, similar products can be sold with a large margin.

    Again - now I know more.

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    I mainly buy in Pyaterochka

    And this, in my opinion, is just Pyaterochka’s policy, at my place the prices in it are lower than they even will be in Magnet; in the last few years it has been a little bit grim on this ground.

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    So I'm talking about the fact that there are people in this world who perceive normal food (cereals, vegetables, fruits, groceries, flour, pasta) as food for the poor.

    There are such. But this is not for us.

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    GNU \ Linux is everything. An international project that shamed Billy with his Windows. The person who mastered Linux is like God. To run Windows programs under Linux, there are virtual machines and (drum drums!) A Windows emulator called Wine So I have been completely without Windows for 5 years now - having completely and unconditionally gone into the penguin camp.

    Shedding is yes, a thing! I respect But I am still an advanced user, so she is not for me. We have to put up with Windows. In addition, all of these emulators are good at eating both RAM and processor power, and my computer cannot be classified as super-duper.
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    Experience in molting is a business! I, too, at first was afraid to switch to it - but then I realized that his console was like MS-DOS - and just looked at it through the prism of my experience in DOS \ Windows. Shell - like command.com, scripts - like bat-files and by analogy. Maybe due to this, the transition turned out to be extremely fast, that the usual things from Windows in Linux were simply called differently. In order for the virtual machine (in my case, the free Virtualbox) to be sparing to the resources of the processor, it is necessary for the percent to be with the VT-x instruction - then everything will go like clockwork. And to put as a guest os better optimized Khryusha. And so Linux - it's like a CZ 805 BREN from a weapon - is reliable and simple like a Kalash, and the modular damn thing is like sculpting from it what you want as from the Lego constructor.
    Well, I think that we need to round off in terms of discussing here what does not apply to the main topic of the article - otherwise the admin will come and pour us for the flood. You can write to me in a personal - there I think there will be the most suitable place for communication on remote topics.
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    Well, I think that we need to round off in terms of discussing here what does not apply to the main topic of the article - otherwise the admin will come and pour us for the flood.

    Thank you, of course, for the explanation, but I’m all the same on the programmatic topic - oak oak. And yes, it would be necessary to round off. It’s a pity, with a few so ... constructively, perhaps ... I manage to talk, usually everything rolls down to throw spools at each other ... All the best to you!
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    Yes, the topic is not at all programmatic - it is itself a normal, custom one.
    If you write something in PM - there you can continue our communication on various topics. From here, I’m still not going anywhere. In addition to everyday life, I am constantly here.
    And all the best to you too!
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    and by the way, shelves of products have thinned noticeably from imports. In exchange, at least there was an opportunity to develop our garden gardens, and milk, and meat. But everyone is hysterical - we are drowning shales. They grabbed onto them with their brains. We ourselves would survive.
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    I don’t know, nothing has thinned in the shops nearest to me. But the opportunity to develop our s / x is yes, a convenient opportunity.
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    In relation to the 13th and 14th year it has thinned out. But everything was brought there from all over the world) in relation to 2019 - it's normal. So far, not very hungry without 10 varieties of bell pepper)
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    We have full shelves in our stores. It’s never been that they didn’t deliver something.
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    Specifically, what kind of stores? Let me try to put in a word for you for our domestic manufacturer! For example, let’s say I see a lot around me - from food and clothing to cars and even processors!

    You have a laptop with Elbrus belay
    Congratulations, Putin doesn't even have that. love
    And what Russian cars do you see? BMW, Audi, Volkswagen, Renault, etc. - Yes?!
    As for food - you will taste to recognize what kind of meat in the sausage - imported or ours?
    And the clothes, they are made of our fabrics, with our components, are made on our equipment, right?
    No, not so.
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    They would read more attentively - they would see that I do not have such a computer.
    GAZ, UAZ, Lada, TagAZ, VAZ
    Have you already managed to recognize the taste of foreign food in the products to your taste? belay
    The same goes for clothes.
    I do not understand: you taxi or checkers Do you need proof itself that the domestic producer is ubiquitous and massive, or do you now need to find fault with the pedigree products up to the origin of the raw materials and equipment on which they were produced?
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    Vaz belongs to Renault by 75%. Is he definitely ours? And Lada, in general, is a brand.
    Let's count "ours" together wassat I will help you fellow
    Grant - 132tys
    Niva - 33 thousand
    Shniva - 23 thousand
    UAZ - 39 thousand
    Tagaz - 0 (zero)
    Total, 228 thousand, out of 1 million. 730 thousand. How much is this? This is a little over one tenth. The remaining nine are foreign cars, don't you see them? You have good eyesight wassat
  • Nameless 9 March 2020 17: 06 New
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    In general, their "slightly" less than half in the total share of cars in our country is 38%. As you can see, this is not one tenth and not so little. And this share is growing every year. In the past, it was much smaller. So he has the opportunity to see how the patient is recovering. My friends almost all have domestic cars.

    Herod! 1 million 730 thousand cars all over the country? Is this, roughly every 81st resident of the country drives on our roads? Have you taken the number of cars in the country from the Soviet Union?
  • Beringovsky 9 March 2020 17: 59 New
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    Where does 38% come from? Or did you push Solaris there?

    1 million 730 thousand - this is sales for 2019. Read carefully.
    What do you want? What drives roads in general? So go those who have a lot of money for gas, and they usually do not buy Grant and Patriot. laughing
  • Nameless 9 March 2020 18: 59 New
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    First, you yourself specify what you mean - the number of cars sold or the total number of cars. Where in your message it was mentioned that your number is the number of sold? Perhaps they concealed it in their brains? There are about 43,5 million passenger cars in our country, of which 16,8 million (38%) are domestic. This is not your 10%. I catch you on manipulating information and facts - you are very dishonest. Do not complain about me later.
  • NordUral 12 March 2020 19: 38 New
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    Lyudmila Yakovlevna! Why such a depressive prognosis? Yes, everything is very bad, but turning on the brains, and it will certainly happen (I wouldn’t be late in the process of clearing the crap of the liberals, both in the opposition and in power), we will turn the country on the right path.
    Only one thing is clear with THESE we will get to the zombies or ourselves will turn into them.
  • Malyuta 9 March 2020 10: 20 New
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    The era of change. How the world is pushed into the new Middle Ages
    how ... what up. why are there so many supportive one-day ancient "mihana" on the site? (the correct high-paid BOT is there) yes, they don’t want to delve into it, they put “likes” for the first words without thinking, because education rolls down to the cave, and for the storyteller they stick together, like .. herds, not understanding ... Alea jacta est. horror ... WAKE UP!

    Forum users have long noted a drop in the level of discussion on the site. Just a little insight into situevina, it becomes obvious that the two camps of society clashed, some are those who are faced with Russian reality in full growth and require changes, and others, some inquisitor guards who fit into the system.
    The former do not want to put up with the fact that the richest country in the world has rolled back to the periphery of world progress, and the latter It seems that they have something to lose and most importantly, so that it would not be worse.
    In this sense, the training manual, released to agitate different sections of the population to ensure attendance at the birthday of Vladimir Ilyich, is very interesting.
    To whom it is interesting to google this training manual, there is a breakdown into 6 groups and what you need to "rub" each of them to eat the "complex lunch" of Elka Panfilova good
    1. lucul 9 March 2020 11: 55 New
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      the richest country in the world has rolled back to the periphery of world progress

      Is this progress you mean liberalism, homosexuality and other tolerance? ))))
      1. Malyuta 9 March 2020 14: 26 New
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        Quote: lucul
        Is this progress you mean liberalism, homosexuality and other tolerance? ))))

        By progress I mean PROGRESS, but what you understand, I don't care. hi
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        You liberals have some strange vision of progress.
    2. Beringovsky 9 March 2020 11: 59 New
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      Forum users have long noted a drop in the level of discussion on the site.

      What is pop, such is parish.
      I tried to fight the Kremlin bots - I earned it as a banhammer several times. So that.
      1. Malyuta 9 March 2020 14: 11 New
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        What a priest, such is the parish. I've tried to fight the Kremlin bots - I have earned it as a banhammer several times. So that.

        The usual thing is cons, baths .. onizhekakdety!)))))
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      Quote: Malyuta
      Who are interested in googling this training manual

      Scare the link ... although what am I talking about, where did you get the link?

      Quote: Malyuta
      Forum users have long noted a drop in the level of discussion on the site

      Man, you’re special in level sketches somewhere in half a swarf. Do you have to talk about the "quality of discussions"? wink no
  • Serg65 9 March 2020 14: 14 New
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    Quote: Aerodrome
    why are there so many supportive one-day ancient "mihana" on the site?

    laughing Are you jealous of Meehan?
  • smart ass 9 March 2020 17: 09 New
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    The fact is that there is no real progress. We live in the 21st century, and we drive a car structurally in the 60s, space was stuck in low Earth orbit where Gagarin visited 60 years ago. No teleports, interstellar travel, vaccines for old age
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      Well, that's right. And you thought those fabulous stories about the bright capitalistic future are true? laughing
    2. Serg65 10 March 2020 09: 27 New
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      Quote: Clever man
      The fact is that there is no real progress. We live in the 21st century

      laughing Take off your sunglasses, you are already at home, not in Thailand!
  • Olddetractor 9 March 2020 05: 38 New
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    The era of the new Middle Ages and the game of thrones

    And the carriage of history rushed to the jump, knocking gilt hooves on the skulls of fools
    1. Insurgent 9 March 2020 07: 43 New
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      Quote: Olddetractor
      And the carriage of history rushed to the jump, knocking gilt hooves on the skulls of fools

      Moreover, fools, people, "sewed" themselves, flattered by the "advantages of global peace" ...
  • bessmertniy 9 March 2020 05: 45 New
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    The spread of coronavirus panic is perhaps most beneficial to China than the United States and Turkey. Now China will be able to purchase raw materials on the cheap, incl. oil, and then out of the crisis with the strengthening of the economy. what
    1. atalef 9 March 2020 06: 55 New
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      Quote: bessmertniy
      Now China will be able to purchase raw materials on the cheap, incl. oil

      so how much can he buy it and where will he store it?
      Or do you think the purchase of millions of barrels of oil and millions of tons of raw materials will go unnoticed and will not affect prices?
      1. Krasnodar 9 March 2020 07: 05 New
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        This means that China will play long on the stock exchange)).
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          This means that China will play long on the stock exchange)).

          would have noticed.
          You can’t hide such things
          1. Krasnodar 9 March 2020 08: 59 New
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            From 32.12, he rose to 33.14 in an hour - or 32 everyone had a stop or the big player started buying up from 32.
            1. atalef 9 March 2020 12: 01 New
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              Quote: Krasnodar
              From 32.12, he rose to 33.14 in an hour - or 32 everyone had a stop or the big player started buying up from 32.

              oil will fall even more, or Russia will enter a new oil deal, which, inquiring, maybe this is a shale that will fill this niche
      2. nikvic46 9 March 2020 07: 56 New
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        Alexander. The price of oil will hit primarily suppliers.
        1. bessmertniy 9 March 2020 09: 04 New
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          Consumers now have a wonderful handicap - they can conclude long-term contracts for the supply of raw materials to them at bargain prices. They do not have to create these stocks of themselves in storage. Then, in normal mode, they will be able to get the batches of the same oil they need, but much cheaper than a week ago. After this excitement, Chinese production facilities will be able to regularly receive cheap raw materials and produce products with a greater share of profit. This is very simplistic. It is clear that the commodity countries in this case, of course, lose. hi
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            Quote: bessmertniy
            Consumers now have a wonderful handicap - they can conclude long-term contracts for the supply of raw materials to them at bargain prices

            there are no long-term deliveries now, and there is no possibility to stock up on the same.
            maybe nobody knows what will happen next and there are not so many storage places.
  • Pessimist22 9 March 2020 05: 47 New
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    Where are the conclusions? Who muddied the situation, America or Putin? Or in itself muddied, it is not clear.
    1. Ross xnumx 9 March 2020 06: 55 New
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      Quote: Pessimist22
      Where are the conclusions? Who muddied the situation, America or Putin? Or in itself muddied, it is not clear.

      Reminded:
      - And where is the essence?
      - Where they get up - there and ...

      Linking the advent of the Middle Ages to the epidemic of the "coronavirus" is completely inappropriate. The dark times of the Middle Ages may come with the disappearance of the global energy system (electricity, hydrocarbons and solar and wind energy technologies).
      The world took from the Middle Ages one important principle - usury. This principle was not invented by Trump or Putin, but continues to take root thanks to them. They proved to us very convincingly and continue to prove that barter is an anachronism. Whether it’s a well-functioning banking system based on symbolic money followed by digitalization. You can see for yourself that the world is ruled not by industrial tycoons, but by banking bigwigs. They are the creators of all kinds of financial pyramids, as a result of which the total debt of all countries exceeded the size of GDP. In other language: the world consumes more than it creates. At the head of all the “right” development is a clan called the Bildeberg Club.
      You cannot explain why and why the prices of goods are jumping like kids on a trampoline. There are no market levers, there is a direct installation. In the same way, we cannot understand why in the country that is in the first lines of the rating for hydrocarbon production, domestic prices depend on the American currency ... Although ... recourse If we take into account that the owners of “Russian” companies are citizens who have foreign citizenship, then everything will become clear ... request This may even explain why the deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation did not accept the amendment banning the right to have overseas property to people in the Russian public service.
      hi
      1. atalef 9 March 2020 07: 09 New
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        Quote: ROSS 42
        The world took from the Middle Ages one important principle - usury. This principle was not invented by Trump or Putin, but continues to take root thanks to them.

        belay
        Quote: ROSS 42
        They proved to us very convincingly and continue to prove that barter is an anachronism.

        no damn - this is an advanced relationship.
        I want to see you with a bag of turnips rushing around the bazaar in an attempt to exchange them for brown shoelaces.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Is it a well-functioning banking system based on symbolic money

        of course . what are some pieces of paper, compared to a bucket of potatoes - especially if you live in a village.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        In other language: the world consumes more than it creates.

        and how is it? belay
        in a parallel universe from the pool spills out more than flows in?
        Quote: ROSS 42
        You cannot explain why and why the prices of goods are jumping like kids on a trampoline.

        you cannot do this, but I (as an example) - I can.
        And if you were to study economics a little, I think you could
        Quote: ROSS 42
        There are no market levers, there is a direct installation.

        Well, yes, the grandmother on the market at 2 a.m. is programmed by the installation from Washington, at the price of seeds
        Quote: ROSS 42
        why in the country in the first lines of the hydrocarbon production rating, domestic prices depend on the american currency

        Because at school it was necessary to study well - it’s ridiculous to cheat such elementary things on the fingers.
        A little self-education.
        Imagine that you live in a village and everyone has a weak crop of potatoes - you don’t eat yourself - everyone rushed to sell - what about the prices?
        Quote: ROSS 42
        If we take into account that the owners of “Russian” companies are citizens who have foreign citizenship, then everything will become clear ...

        what is clear 7 Do they have Russian citizenship?
        And what about the Europeans? they work for whom
        Quote: ROSS 42
        This may even explain why the deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation did not accept the amendment banning the right to have overseas property to people in the Russian public service.

        Shed - horses, people.
        Yuri. Are you a co-author of an article?
        1. Ross xnumx 9 March 2020 07: 18 New
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          Quote: atalef
          Yuri. Are you a co-author of an article?

          I am one of those who do not accept the slogans of power on "Hurray!". Barter transactions may imply other economic relations when they use the agreements established by the volume of imports and exports, rather than the rate of an American piece of paper, when calculating.
          Quote: atalef
          you cannot do this, but I (as an example) - I can.

          So you can, explain to us the fuel price policy in the Russian market, and we will have fun. If you and your "advanced" are onerossithe thinkers could do something, then they would not sit in government posts and in state-owned companies, reasoning smartly about the benefits of a liberal market economy.
          1. carstorm 11 9 March 2020 07: 31 New
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            and you are going to carry out barter transactions at what rates?))) the price of goods from which you want to make?
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            Quote: ROSS 42
            I am one of those who do not accept the slogans of power on "Hurray!"

            one does not concern the other
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Barter transactions may involve other economic relations.

            they cannot - barter is barter.
            Sausage cannot mean rutabaga
            Quote: ROSS 42
            when the calculations use the agreements established by the volume of import-export, and not the rate of the American piece of paper.

            And how do they calculate prices? How do you come to some equivalent (if you know what it is) - well, let's say why did you decide what kind of a paravozny wheel it is necessary to give 4, 5 rams?

            Quote: ROSS 42
            So you can, explain to us the fuel price policy in the Russian market, and we will have fun.

            And what have you got to do with it? we are talking about normal countries and the economy.
            Our gas prices are falling when the price of oil is cracked.

            Quote: ROSS 42
            If you and your "advanced" like-minded people could do something, then you would not sit in government posts and in state-owned companies,

            I AM ? What am I to you?
            Quote: ROSS 42
            reasoning smartly about the benefits of a liberal market economy

            I live in Israel and we have a liberal economy.
            The same is not ideal in everything, but at least understandable.
            1. Ross xnumx 9 March 2020 09: 01 New
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              Quote: atalef
              And how do they calculate prices? How do you come to some equivalent (if you know what it is) - well, let's say why did you decide what kind of a paravozny wheel it is necessary to give 4, 5 rams?

              Young man! If you are such a smart, economically savvy person, then answer, who determines that today you need to pay $ 60 a piece of paper for a barrel of oil, and $ 35 tomorrow and what is worse than a locomotive wheel for 4,5 sheep?
              I do not believe in good wives, which are obtained from girls with "limited social responsibility." And you don’t particularly strain, proving to me that the exploitation of man by a man who is “at least under the gallows’s fear” is much more useful than free labor, the results of which develop the social aspects of the economic structure.
              I read your texts (they count, paravozny ...) and I understand that when you taught the Russian language at school, you learned political economy with a self-roll from the ABC book in my teeth ... laughing
              1. Krasnodar 9 March 2020 09: 37 New
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                1) The market establishes
                2) The world market, not Uryupinsky
                3) free labor, the results of which develop the social aspects of the economic structure buried the USSR
                4) besides Russian, what other language do you speak?
              2. atalef 9 March 2020 12: 11 New
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                Quote: ROSS 42
                Young man!

                well, as the young one was saying, she was no longer young
                Quote: ROSS 42
                If you are such a smart, economically savvy person, then answer who determines that today you need to pay $ 60 pieces of paper for a barrel of oil, and $ 35 tomorrow.

                elementary - the exchange is roughly an open auction.
                Today someone bought at this price, and tomorrow the realities have changed - the price has fallen or increased.
                Everything is fine. Give an example from life? You sit and almost exclusively sell your rutabaga in the bazaar for 5 rubles, but all of a sudden Ahmed came in and brought in a caravan of camels with the same rutabaga and plus everything, a rumor went through the city (only rumors) - - Well, look how your price will change, or rather how much you can sell it now.
                Quote: ROSS 42
                And you don’t particularly strain, proving to me that exploitation of a person by a person who is “at least under the gallows’s fear” is much more useful than free labor, the results of which develop the social aspects of the economic structure.

                free labor? Well, work hard for yourself, but what about the price of the product?
                Quote: ROSS 42
                and I understand that when you taught Russian at school, you learned political economy with a self-roll from the ABC book in your teeth ...

                shkolota.
          3. atalef 9 March 2020 12: 06 New
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            Quote: ROSS 42
            Barter transactions may imply other economic relations when, when making calculations, use the agreements established by the volumes of import-export, rather than the rate of an American piece of paper.

            export import- but what about the minimum thing like transportation and loan servicing, you certainly don’t bother?
            So will you go with a bag of carrots and unfasten this carrot along the way in payment?
            And if I do not need carrots? So sit with her at the fence?
            1. Ross xnumx 9 March 2020 20: 24 New
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              Quote: atalef
              And if I do not need carrots? So sit with her at the fence?

              You do not pretend to be deaf and dumb. A question was asked about oil, you are talking about colza.
              See how this is explained:

              Post your thoughts and look at the reaction of the readers ...
              1. IS-80_RVGK2 9 March 2020 21: 23 New
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                Platoshkin through and through the lying demagogue. In a decent society, they candelabra for references to such sources.
                1. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 21: 29 New
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                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Platoshkin through and through the lying demagogue. In a decent society, for links to such sources they beat with candelabra

                  Colleague, do not take away people's faith laughing

                  And so, in general, I support yes
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2 9 March 2020 22: 27 New
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                    And it’s funny and sad. Kurginyan 2.0 is injected into people and they joyfully start to ride on the same rake.
                    1. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 22: 32 New
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                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      Kurginyan 2.0

                      This is fashionably called rebranding. The essence is the same, the cover is new, do you not know? Well, like

                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      ... startup hipster in coworking ...

                      Good you buddy wink

                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      and they joyfully start jumping

                      We recall from whom, according to Darwin, a man came ... dense instincts, og yes
                    2. Ross xnumx 10 March 2020 04: 05 New
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                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      And it’s funny and sad. Kurginyan 2.0 is injected into people and they joyfully start to ride on the same rake.

                      This is you vparivat Yeltsyn 2.0 for more than 20 years and rides. What are you, slept, slept and woke up ... Even a referendum can not organize, all according to the KGB methodical manual. Proven successor in business: he kept everything, he left everyone in business. Already one appearance on the screen causes attacks of vomiting.
                      Yes, for such promises and deeds in a decent society did not give a hand.
                      As for the Kurginyans, the elderly and other eye-bearers, these are your projects, as well as the party founded by the VVZh ... Narodnaya Volya ...
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      This is fashionably called rebranding. The essence is the same, the cover is new, do you not know? Well, like

                      This is yours called "redbreddingsocobyling." But they could pass for a decent ...
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                        Quote: ROSS 42
                        This is you vparivat Yeltsyn 2.0 for more than 20 years and rides. What are you, slept, slept and woke up ... Even a referendum can not organize, all according to the KGB methodical manual. Proven successor in business: he kept everything, he left everyone in business. Already one appearance on the screen causes attacks of vomiting.
                        Yes, for such promises and deeds in a decent society did not give a hand.
                        As for the Kurginyans, the elderly and other eye-bearers, these are your projects, as well as the party founded by the VVZh ... Narodnaya Volya ...

                        Are you talking with voices in your head?
      2. depressant 9 March 2020 07: 11 New
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        It has been read more than once or twice that there were no amendments to officials. They say to me: "Deception of hearing!" Indeed, how can the vertical be offended - a backup of central authority? Apparently, there really was a massive hallucination.
  • kepmor 9 March 2020 05: 49 New
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    on the exchanges, “wooden” has already entered the peak ...
    Tomorrow Elvirochka will come to work and the usual dances with tambourines and around the ruble will begin ...
    so we are waiting for ... another increase in gas prices with another salvation of banks ... for another, the tsar's publicans have no brains ...
    1. The popuas 9 March 2020 07: 26 New
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      The wooden one did not go down because of the coronavirus, but because of the Saudis, who made a discount on oil in 8 not wooden ones ... here after the oil, the ruble went down! It's time to connect the Hussites wink
      1. atalef 9 March 2020 08: 29 New
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        [quote = Popuas] The wooden one did not go down because of the coronavirus, but because of the Saudis who made a discount on oil in 8 not wooden ones .. [/ quot
        Do not confuse cause and effect.
        Oil consumption fell due to the coronovirus, Saudia wanted to lower production in order to keep prices down - RUSSIA WAS NOT AGREED.
        Who's guilty ?
        [quote = Popuas] It's time to connect the Hussites [/ quote]
        what would Sechin fill up?
  • atalef 9 March 2020 06: 04 New
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    First, obviously what parts the global elite benefits this situation

    Cool statement laughing
    Anything can be brought under it.
    Current inhabitants want to live sweetly.

    And you mean do not want?
    Plus a wild drop in the level of upbringing and education since the collapse of the USSR.

    Of course, upbringing and education are all in decline, and yet Stalin is not enough.
    Plus, the financial bubble that the Chinese have been steadily inflating in recent years, and are now trying to flood the crisis with money

    You really figure out who cheated?
    It is possible that financial bubbles will burst in the USA and other Western countries, in Japan

    Your entire article is a collection of cliches that are not clear and paragraphs that are absolutely not logically related.


    Nobody needs the financial crisis - not China. neither the United States nor Europe, much less Russia.
    People are frightened by the coronovirus - it’s absolutely logical, they live at a good level, in a safe and socially built society, and what they are afraid of, of course - and so he doesn’t know what to die from, for which there is no protection (vaccine) - they are absolutely normal reaction .
    Without communication, it is bloated or not by the press.
    Your article is like a peep of a man who lives in full priest and who has nothing to lose, therefore, at a time when the economy of his own country suffers a severe blow from a fall in oil prices. gas, etc. - he wonders whether Europe is ready to fight with great casualties. belay
    At this moment, he thinks about the war, think about the country. if you think that this crisis will bypass Russia, you are deeply mistaken.
    Is it beneficial to anyone?
    Always beneficial to anyone.
    Economic dawn - beneficial to someone. crisis - beneficial to someone-- if you build your articles on such an analysis - then they are no different from OBS.
    Yes, in general, the whole article looks like this - OBS.
    1. Krasnodar 9 March 2020 06: 30 New
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      33.9 Oil
      The dollar will soon be over 70.
      But for us, comrades, the main thing is to read Mr. Samsonov’s analytics, which indirectly tells us whether to play Brent futures long or invest in treasury, thereby financing Fushington’s public debt ...
      1. carstorm 11 9 March 2020 07: 07 New
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        rather, you should think about what will happen to the global economy when a real crisis occurs. if she is shaking from someone like I don’t know what ...
        1. Krasnodar 9 March 2020 07: 17 New
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          But it’s much more real - they put all production in one basket - and on those
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            so essentially no crisis. he is inspired do not understand by whom. we live among viruses all our lives. hundreds of thousands of people die every year from its various species. and here, not because of their most terrible representative, some kind of wild excitement and panic went. and what will happen when a really deadly Tipo Spaniard goes suddenly? world chaos will bring this house of cards to the ground ...
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              The problem is curtailing production volumes and reducing the demand for movement between countries - and because of the virus it is either broadcasting the “Slave Izaura” series during working hours of the day - all do not care
            2. atalef 9 March 2020 08: 31 New
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              ak essentially no crisis

              of course have
              Quote: carstorm 11
              he is inspired do not understand by whom.

              what difference does it inspire by whom - there is a crisis - he is
              1. carstorm 11 9 March 2020 09: 07 New
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                there is a clear distinction between a real crisis in its normal understanding and situations that you cannot even pull on it by force. in reality, for some reason, the usual situation was turned in such a direction that they began to feel it as a crisis. but do you really think that this is a turning point or a transitional state?) Remember the swine flu? everything was much worse there, both in terms of the number of cases and mortality. and only 10 years ago. and nothing crucial for the world happened.
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              so essentially no crisis. he is inspired do not understand who ...

              It is inspired by a virus, by a virus soldier Cov19 is called.
              This virus is an agent of the State Department, bully not otherwise
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            Well, you understand that this is simply inevitable. Capital is primarily driven by profit, and the consequences do not give a damn.
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      3. Svarog 9 March 2020 08: 34 New
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        Quote: Krasnodar
        33.9 Oil
        The dollar will soon be over 70.

        Again, salaries and pensions will depreciate .. Life is becoming more fun ..
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        The dollar will soon be over 70.

        there will be more and much, for the first reason - the people do not believe.
        A rush of buying up the currency will begin.
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          200 as we were predicted by powerful analytics? smile
    2. Pessimist22 9 March 2020 06: 32 New
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      Also in the article did not mention your conspiracy with the Masons smile
      1. Krasnodar 9 March 2020 07: 13 New
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        Ah, well, this is a long-standing affair ... The masters of the West fell under the influence of the Masonic lodge, which fought with the red-banner Russian superethnos led by comrade Dzhugashvili, and Ivan Valtsman, who hid under the Slavic surname Poroshenko, insidiously forced the Luminates to incite Luminates to go on a crusade against the ruble and Nabiulina, creating the coronovirus, which was stored, until hour X, by Mao Tse Dong, in a quote from himself.
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          fought with the red-banner Russian superethnos

          sho again?
          The cursed West invented the coronavirus so that Russia (and only the superethnos) would suffer *?
          Samsonov has only one answer — these are all the machinations of the imperialists.
          Strangle the global economy to harm the Russians.
          And in that part where to reduce consumption is the destruction of this very economy
          In general, Samsonov is cooler than the West wants to destroy not only the superethnos of all on Earth
    3. IS-80_RVGK2 9 March 2020 21: 25 New
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      Of course, upbringing and education are all in decline, and yet Stalin is not enough.

      In Israel?!! Really so got Netanyahu? laughing
  • Hazarov 9 March 2020 06: 19 New
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    Stirlitz flogged Nonsense! Nonsense spun and squealed!
  • Gileada 9 March 2020 06: 20 New
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    Mortality from influenza - 1-2%, mortality from COVID-19 - 3-4%, plus COVID is much more contagious and aggressive and he does not care winter or summer. Of course, there is no reason for panic and these are all stupid foreigners who are afraid of some kind of virus. But we are not afraid of Russians, we are not sorry for 4% of our population, especially if these are old people who are not sorry, and you can save on pensions. It’s good that we are so smart and have solved the insidious plan of enemies who want to scare us.
    1. carstorm 11 9 March 2020 06: 41 New
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      in 2018, according to various estimates, from 500 to 850 thousand people died from influenza in the world. For almost three months from the coronavirus - 3082 people.
      1. Gardamir 9 March 2020 07: 30 New
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        For almost three months from the coronavirus - 3082 people.
        Here it is the triumph of democracy, the person himself decides what figures you can believe in.
  • tihonmarine 9 March 2020 06: 31 New
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    Protectionist Trump gets a chance to save the American empire. New empires and “thrones” will grow on the ruins of the old order. Erdogan is creating Ottoman Empire 2 right now. The era of the new Middle Ages and the game of thrones is coming.
    But the Russian Empire is also being recreated, there is nothing wrong with that. Well, the Middle Ages are very far away, although the moral decline of mankind is evident.
    1. Ross xnumx 9 March 2020 07: 08 New
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      Quote: tihonmarine
      But also The Russian Empire is also being recreatedthere is nothing wrong with that.

      What are you saying? belay
      But nothing that the Russian Empire is located within the Moscow Ring Road? Something such an empire reminds me of a tsarist empire, though with one difference: in the tsarist empire there was an official division of estates, there was a table of ranks, and in the Putin empire we are told that everyone is equal in the country and, in order to achieve success, we just need to start with yourself ... True, at the same time, for some reason, they begin “from the tail” ...
      And of course there is nothing wrong with that. And when amendments to the constitution are adopted, life will become better, life will become more fun ... wassat
      An interesting calculation of this for the national insanity: you work to death, and we will arrange your life (ours too, but this is not necessary to know).
      1. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 08: 46 New
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        Quote: ROSS 42
        But nothing that the Russian Empire is located within the Moscow Ring Road? Something such an empire reminds me of the royal

        Well, why the MKAD, the Russian Empire, when it was created, was also not so great. So there is something to strive for, and there is nothing wrong with that. Well, probably the estate has become obsolete in the 21st century.
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          The Russian Empire, when it was created, was also not so great.

          Well, more of the Moscow Ring Road, and at times ...
    2. Svarog 9 March 2020 08: 48 New
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      Quote: tihonmarine
      But the Russian Empire is also being recreated, there is nothing wrong with that.

      There are even no prerequisites .. for the reconstruction of the empire. There is no such purpose, the leadership of the country, there is no independent economy, there is not even ambition of this nature .. as we clearly testify to the policy towards the former Soviet republics ..
  • Fedorov 9 March 2020 06: 39 New
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    And I personally do not care all this fuss. How many general secretaries and presidents and all kinds of flu and crises were in my way. And somehow ju-ju fine, swimming in the Dnieper all year round. We must work and lead a healthy lifestyle and not bother with trifles, watch less telly, pay attention to the family - this is the recipe. Well, if it comes to what to do, I will pick up a machine gun, or I will return to service if I call on a normal government.
    1. Gardamir 9 March 2020 07: 26 New
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      normal government.
      With which ruler or on what scales will you determine the normality of the government?
    2. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 08: 47 New
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      Quote: Fedorov
      We must work and lead a healthy lifestyle and not bother with trifles, watch less telly, pay attention to the family - this is the recipe.

      Well, you can’t argue with that. The thought is correct.
  • bistrov. 9 March 2020 06: 39 New
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    ".... right now Erdogan is creating the Ottoman Empire No. 2 ..."
    Well, he is still very far from an empire, and Israel can be called an "empire" ...
  • Sergey_33 9 March 2020 06: 56 New
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    Quote: kepmor
    on the exchanges, “wooden” has already entered the peak ...
    Tomorrow Elvirochka will come to work and the usual dances with tambourines and around the ruble will begin ...
    so we are waiting for ... another increase in gas prices with another salvation of banks ... for another, the tsar's publicans have no brains ...

    Does KAC offer to give up?
    1. atalef 9 March 2020 06: 58 New
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      Quote: Sergey_33
      Quote: kepmor
      on the exchanges, “wooden” has already entered the peak ...
      Tomorrow Elvirochka will come to work and the usual dances with tambourines and around the ruble will begin ...
      so we are waiting for ... another increase in gas prices with another salvation of banks ... for another, the tsar's publicans have no brains ...

      Does KAC offer to give up?

      KAC understands that fighting is useless. Therefore, quietly retreat to the line.
      When rape cannot be avoided, try to relax and have fun.
      Expect good news from Syria, about the next Zircon, or how they hacked Hufftar in Libya with a multi-way (or vice versa did not bend) - this will help. good
      1. kepmor 9 March 2020 07: 13 New
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        for putriots, all life is a struggle ...
        1. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 08: 49 New
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          Quote: kepmor
          for putriots, all life is a struggle.

          Well, putriots, liberals, democrats, and the LGBT people who joined them, are already tired of it like a bitter radish.
      2. Krasnodar 9 March 2020 07: 15 New
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        Nitsche - but on the tank biathlon we’ll do everything. But the Chinese - do not let!
        1. Insurgent 9 March 2020 07: 56 New
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          Nitsche - but on the tank biathlon we’ll do everything. But the Chinese - do not let!

          How is it - "not allowed"? So you put so much effort into making the competition format as international, international, and-and .... and ... EVERYTHING?

          Swam, swam, and managed on the shore?
          1. Krasnodar 9 March 2020 08: 14 New
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            No way - until recovery, expressed by the ability to purchase oil in previous and larger volumes soldier
            1. Insurgent 9 March 2020 08: 16 New
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              Quote: Krasnodar
              No, not until recovery

              So need help, the Chinese comrades! Not imposing.

              Hand - washes a hand.
              1. Krasnodar 9 March 2020 08: 20 New
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                A hand washes a hand and a respiratory mask!
                1. Insurgent 9 March 2020 08: 21 New
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                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  A hand washes a hand and a respiratory mask!

                  The mask should be disposable tongue
                  1. Krasnodar 9 March 2020 08: 40 New
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                    That's just what is missing))
                    I have an order to find somewhere in the world 25 million - but nowhere fellow
                    1. Insurgent 9 March 2020 08: 42 New
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                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      That's just what is missing))
                      I have an order to find somewhere in the world 25 million - but nowhere fellow

                      So ... is there only vodka left? So what to do ? request laughing
                      1. Krasnodar 9 March 2020 08: 45 New
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                        You yourself answered your question - to produce vodka fellow
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        You yourself answered your question - to produce vodka

                        I didn’t mean production at all lol
                        In the absence of masks ...
                      3. Krasnodar 9 March 2020 08: 47 New
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                        Then consume)))
                      4. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 20: 29 New
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                        Quote: Insurgent
                        I didn’t mean production at all
                        In the absence of masks.

                        Well, moonshine can be driven without masks.
                    2. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 20: 28 New
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                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      You yourself answered your question - to produce vodka

                      It’s a very useful occupation, and I’m well, people are happy.
        2. atalef 9 March 2020 12: 16 New
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          No way - until recovery, expressed by the ability to purchase oil in previous and larger volumes soldier

          By the way, an interesting gimmick turns out, Iran paid for the majority of deliveries from the Russian Federation by re-exporting oil (through the Russian Federation), well, to get around sanctions.
          That's what only to do with it now is not their smut, but yours.
          1. Krasnodar 9 March 2020 12: 37 New
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            Is not a fact. Agreements for sure at the current rate, for implementation, also at a discount
            By the way, the intervention went - the price rose to 36
            I didn’t play in short laughing
            1. atalef 9 March 2020 13: 02 New
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              Quote: Krasnodar
              By the way, the intervention went - the price rose to 36

              With such cotostrophic falls there is always some kind of pullback
              Quote: Krasnodar
              I didn’t play in short

              it is necessary to invest in government paper or withdraw to a current account.
              We need to look at what is with American government bonds - in theory, there should be a stir for buying up.
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                The first thing I thought about treasure
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                Quote: atalef
                it is necessary to invest in government paper or withdraw to a current account.

                Remember the old saying, "Don't gamble with the state."
              3. IS-80_RVGK2 9 March 2020 21: 40 New
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                Quote: atalef
                We need to look at what is with American government bonds - in theory, there should be a stir for buying up.


                They by the way still with negative rates are not released? This triumph of developed capitalism did not reach them? smile
      3. Moon 9 March 2020 09: 15 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        How is it - "not let"

        quarantine route and masked tanks
        1. Insurgent 9 March 2020 09: 35 New
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          Quote: Σελήνη
          quarantine route and masked tanks

          This, in the sense, should the Chinese somehow make a “detour” along the way to Alabino, through Western Europe, the “quarantine zone”, and be masked so that they are not recognized? laughing laughing laughing
          Cunningly conceived yes lol
        2. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 20: 34 New
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          Quote: Σελήνη
          quarantine route and masked tanks

          Why are there masks, gas masks, of course, if not pushed to the left.
  • Winnie76 9 March 2020 10: 20 New
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    Quote: atalef
    When rape cannot be avoided, try to relax and have fun.

    With this attitude, dear Atalef, you will be raped by all and sundry. Regularly and with pleasure. With a crunch, pushing the buttocks with the split handle of a shovel.
    Quote: atalef
    Expect good news from Syria, about the next Zircon, or how they hacked Hufftar in Libya with a multi-way (or vice versa did not bend) - this will help.

    At present, as at all other times, it is good for someone who has "another Zircon" and woe to someone who does not have it. It is strange that you, living in Israel, do not understand this.
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      Quote: Winnie76
      With this attitude, dear Atalef, you will be raped by all and sundry.

      why did you decide so?

      Quote: Winnie76
      At present, as at all other times, it’s good for someone who has “another Zircon” and woe to someone who doesn’t have it

      in the current situation, it is good for those who have liquidity, preferably not in stocks but in free currency, and preferably not Bolivars, but American presidents.
      maybe, if you want to eat, I will have a choice, and you will have to be content with a stabilizer from zircon.
      Quote: Winnie76
      It is strange that you, living in Israel, do not understand this.

      I understand first of all that in the financial crisis, canned goods are bought, not zircons.
      1. Winnie76 9 March 2020 13: 01 New
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        Quote: atalef
        in the current situation, it is good for those who have liquidity, preferably not in stocks but in free currency, and preferably not Bolivars, but American presidents.

        Gaddafi helped Libya with liquidity? Or did Iraq and Hussein help? But Iran sprinkled state bases with liquidity, after which they got lost?
        Quote: atalef
        maybe, if you want to eat, I will have a choice, and you will have to be content with a stabilizer from zircon.

        In the absence of the “next Zircon”, you will chew on what the opponent with Zircon will offer. And portray at the same time paradise pleasure.
        Quote: atalef
        I understand first of all that in the financial crisis, canned goods are bought, not zircons.

        Buy both
        1. atalef 9 March 2020 13: 28 New
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          Quote: Winnie76
          Gaddafi helped Libya with liquidity? Or did Iraq and Hussein help?

          And that they had few weapons?
          Quote: Winnie76
          But Iran sprinkled state bases with liquidity, after which they got lost?

          Got lost?
          Do you live in a parallel universe?
          By the way, returning to your conclusions - the United States has more weapons than Iran
          Quote: Winnie76
          In the absence of the “next Zircon” you will chew on what the opponent with Zircon will offer

          Well, the next 3 months will show who will chew the bread and who the zircon with reinforcement
          Quote: Winnie76
          Buy both

          laughing
          1. Winnie76 9 March 2020 13: 51 New
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            Quote: atalef
            And that they had few weapons?

            It turns out a little.
            Quote: atalef
            Got lost?
            Do you live in a parallel universe?

            Do not you got lost? Iran has gouged several bases. And Donald says: everything is in order, there are no losses. We live further, we chew bread. And where is the inevitable retaliation in the form of "good and smart missiles"? Where are the formidable aircraft carriers, where are the F-35 armada? Where are the Abrams avalanches and crowds of marines?
            Quote: atalef
            By the way, returning to your conclusions - the United States has more weapons than Iran

            A bit wrong. Rather, Iran has enough of it at this particular moment to calmly spit on the hegemon.
            Quote: atalef
            Well, the next 3 months will show who will chew the bread and who the zircon with reinforcement

            This is not the first time for us. Let's see where Israel will be in 10-15 years. The hegemon is blown away. The military-industrial complex is critically dependent on external supplies of components. Around the Arabs. Canned food will shoot back)))
            1. atalef 9 March 2020 20: 04 New
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              Quote: Winnie76
              It turns out a little.

              Or to no purpose.
              Quote: Winnie76
              Iran has gouged several bases

              come on
              Quote: Winnie76
              And Donald says: everything is in order, there are no losses.

              so out of no
              Quote: Winnie76
              And where is the inevitable retaliation in the form of "good and smart missiles"? Where are the formidable aircraft carriers, where are the F-35 armada? Where are the Abrams avalanches and crowds of marines?

              Something I have not heard for a long time about shelling the US bases, coincidence 7 I do not think.
              before fucking a day later on the third

              Quote: Winnie76
              A bit wrong. Rather, Iran has enough of it at this particular moment to calmly spit on the hegemon.

              baby talk
              Quote: Winnie76
              This is not the first time for us. Let's see what place Israel will be in 10-15 years

              I was just about 10-15 years ago from people like you heard.
              So how is it ? would you like to have a look ?
              Quote: Winnie76
              The hegemon is blown away. The military-industrial complex is critically dependent on external supplies of components. Around the Arabs. Canned food will shoot back)))

              You forgot to say - another dollar will collapse. yellowstone wakes up. and you harness for a long time but eat fast. Good luck
              1. IS-80_RVGK2 9 March 2020 21: 44 New
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                Yellowstone may not wake up, but it’s a fact that the dollar will stink. Well, the second world economy will not be able to dictate its conditions to the world. smile Get used to gradually love China and RMB. laughing
              2. Winnie76 10 March 2020 04: 03 New
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                Quote: atalef
                Or to no purpose

                I agree
                Quote: atalef
                baby talk

                Argument
                Quote: atalef
                I was just about 10-15 years ago from people like you heard.
                So how is it ? would you like to have a look ?

                First, dear, if you please. And secondly - everything flows, everything changes. New states appear - old ones disappear. How many years does the history of the state of Israel count?
                Quote: atalef
                I forgot to say - another dollar will collapse. yellowstone wakes up. and you harness for a long time but eat fast. Good luck

                Did I write something about Yellowstone or the dollar? The arguments are dumb - just juggle. Boring. Good luck and good mood there)))))))
      2. PSih2097 9 March 2020 18: 45 New
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        in the current situation, it is good for those who have liquidity, preferably not in stocks but in free currency, and preferably not Bolivars, but American presidents.

        not, not green, but metals from precious to rare earths ...
        1. atalef 9 March 2020 20: 05 New
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          Quote: PSih2097
          Quote: atalef
          in the current situation, it is good for those who have liquidity, preferably not in stocks but in free currency, and preferably not Bolivars, but American presidents.

          not, not green, but metals from precious to rare earths ...

          is not a fact . far away.
      3. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 20: 36 New
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        Quote: atalef
        I understand first of all that in the financial crisis, canned goods are bought, not zircons.

        Grandmas buy carasin, matches and salt. The canned goods are not the same now, they are quickly deteriorating, and there is no meat in them.
        1. PSih2097 10 March 2020 22: 29 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          Grandmas buy carasin, matches and salt. The canned goods are not the same now, they are quickly deteriorating, and there is no meat in them.

          Well tady cartridges from 14,5x114 and 7,62x54 to 5,45x39, F1, RGDshki, MONKI, armored personnel carriers ...
  • IS-80_RVGK2 9 March 2020 21: 35 New
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    When rape cannot be avoided, try to relax and have fun.

    Advice from the old wise all-experienced Jew? laughing
  • abror 9 March 2020 07: 00 New
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    Quote: kepmor
    on the exchanges, “wooden” has already entered the peak ...
    Tomorrow Elvirochka will come to work and the usual dances with tambourines and around the ruble will begin ...
    so we are waiting for ... another increase in gas prices with another salvation of banks ... for another, the tsar's publicans have no brains ...


    The words "economic diversification" will again become fashionable.
  • Mihail55 9 March 2020 07: 03 New
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    Protectionist Trump gets a chance to save the American empire ...
    And who is stopping us ???? What money to spend on pampering with the Constitution, really get off the oil needle. Yesterday, the article was about the release of new CNC machines in Sterlitamak ... I re-read several times ... I thought I was wrong. 60 new jobs !!!!!!!!!! This is of course news !!!!! After Deripaska "steered" our YaMZ from the factory with 50 thousand workers, TWO thousand remained !!!!! Now the blow has been dealt to our only more successful industry ... and so much time have we turned a blind eye (or to us ...) on economic security ???? 30 years all looking for DNA, is it already ??? Maybe all the same, they will change their minds ... they will not use the money for waste ???? Au ...
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      And who is stopping us ????

      known to the almighty State Department!
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      Michael, our bottom is bottomless than all bottoms! wassat
      And the government is completely extreme - lovers of free fall, because everyone has a golden parachute behind him.
    3. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 20: 38 New
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      Quote: Michael55
      After Deripaska “steered” our YaMZ from the factory with 50 thousand workers, TWO thousand remained !!

      Well, you yourself answered who, what, and why.
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      These plants are a relic of the past with low productivity. If socialism would be the same now. This, however, does not negate the fact that Deripaska is a vile place on the nearest aspen.
  • Sergey_33 9 March 2020 07: 11 New
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    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Sergey_33
    Quote: kepmor
    on the exchanges, “wooden” has already entered the peak ...
    Tomorrow Elvirochka will come to work and the usual dances with tambourines and around the ruble will begin ...
    so we are waiting for ... another increase in gas prices with another salvation of banks ... for another, the tsar's publicans have no brains ...

    Does KAC offer to give up?

    KAC understands that fighting is useless. Therefore, quietly retreat to the line.
    When rape cannot be avoided, try to relax and have fun.
    Expect good news from Syria, about the next Zircon, or how they hacked Hufftar in Libya with a multi-way (or vice versa did not bend) - this will help. good

    You can start every morning of your life with a thought .. We will all die, and that's true. And you can enjoy the dawn. Both thoughts describe objective reality, but living with the latter is much more fun.
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      Quote: Sergey_33
      . We all die, and it's true.

      This is the same para
      Quote: Sergey_33
      . And you can enjoy the dawn. Both thoughts describe objective reality, but living with the latter is much more fun.

      the same is correct. but life is much more complicated.
      On one joy from dawn, it seems to me you will not live.
  • Sergey_33 9 March 2020 07: 21 New
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    Quote: Michael55
    Protectionist Trump gets a chance to save the American empire ...
    And who is stopping us ???? What money to spend on pampering with the Constitution, really get off the oil needle. Yesterday, the article was about the release of new CNC machines in Sterlitamak ... I re-read several times ... I thought I was wrong. 60 new jobs !!!!!!!!!! This is of course news !!!!! After Deripaska "steered" our YaMZ from the factory with 50 thousand workers, TWO thousand remained !!!!! Now the blow has been dealt to our only more successful industry ... and so much time have we turned a blind eye (or to us ...) on economic security ???? 30 years all looking for DNA, is it already ??? Maybe all the same, they will change their minds ... they will not use the money for waste ???? Au ...

    This is like a scream .. Everything is lost .. Yes 60 workers, or 2000 in terms of universal employment, this is not an ice. But it is necessary to clarify the details .. How many machines or engines were produced and how many are needed? And maybe Deripaska didn’t tax it, but just that 60k people let out just nobody needs. For different reasons. Starting from banal quality and ending with a request for products.
    Of course it’s easier to blame on Deripaska why I, except for the profession, the number 32 nut wrapper, have not mastered anything in my life. And why they cut me so handsome.
    Threat I'm sitting without work. Who's guilty? Option a) Coronovirus, Trump, Putin, Bandera, Reptilians. And option b) own laziness. For the soul, option a is closer, but true option b
    1. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 20: 42 New
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      Quote: Sergey_33
      Threat I'm sitting without work. Who's guilty? Option a) Coronovirus, Trump, Putin, Bandera, Reptilians. And option b) own laziness. For the soul, option a is closer, but true option b

      So it turns out that in all our troubles, we ourselves are to blame, because the lazy ones are in both a) and b).
    2. IS-80_RVGK2 9 March 2020 21: 57 New
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      Quote: Sergey_33
      For the soul, option a is closer, but true option 6

      This is not true, but the ravings of a coworking startup hipster half-entered the market. laughing
      1. Golovan Jack 9 March 2020 22: 33 New
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        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        nonsense of a coworking startup hipster half-blended into the market


        0.10
  • Sergey_33 9 March 2020 07: 38 New
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    for putriots, all life is a struggle ...

    A rolling stone gathers no moss
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    New empires and “thrones” will grow on the ruins of the old order. Erdogan is creating Ottoman Empire 2 right now. The era of the new Middle Ages and the game of thrones is coming.


    Mr. Samsonov is very controversial in his assessments; his views are eclectic. But we can agree with this conclusion. The gradual dumping of "toxic assets", the desire to push global problems faster beyond their borders have been going on for many years. And Trump is in the lead here. And the virus only accelerated it all. Soon they will change the pack of oil to the "billionth derivative." Well, the blood-smelling mercenary will be more valuable than the staff specialist of "network-centric wars."

    ps A few years ago at VO there was a malicious article about the "survivors." It's time to brush up on the theory until you have "quarantined" the Internet. laughing
  • Barmaleyka 9 March 2020 07: 46 New
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    Coronavirus infection COVID-19 kills from 1,4 to 3,4% of cases.
    mortality is higher, since it is considered absolutely wrong that the calculation of cases goes on the day of death of the last deceased, although it should be considered on the day of illness of the last deceased
    with mortality from the famous "Spanish woman"
    the top of idiocy is to compare mortality in 1018 and in 2019 medicine is different
    So, the Ebola virus killed over 40% of those infected.
    just to get infected with ebola you need to try very hard
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      just to get infected with ebola you need to try very hard

      panic is worse than disease.
      And voiced mortality is a guaranteed panic
      well that stopped
      for mankind a huge plus-basic hygiene - it saved more antibiotics
      But all this is alarmism and it creates panic
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    Mortality from coronavirus according to objective data, which WHO does not deny - 0,7 percent. Actually - lower, because up to 80 percent of cases of coronavirus infection are not diagnosed - it is asymptomatic or as a mild "cold." If you examine 10000 patients with banal SARS in Russia, it turns out that 10-15 percent have the same coronavirus infection. But it is expensive and unnecessary. An immune layer is formed in society, when it is sufficient, the spread of coronavirus infection will stop, and this virus will cease to be scary, like the bird or swine flu has not scared anyone for a long time. And officials in Russia and the WHO will declare that they have defeated the "plague of the 21st century" and will hang medals. And two years later they’ll come up with "sheep fever." Or something else - because pharmaceutical companies need money, and officials need medals.
    As for the fall in the price of raw materials, a catastrophe awaits us not because of the American or Masonic "conspiracy", but because of the stupidity and greed of Russian officials and oligarchs. This week, oil is likely to collapse, perhaps up to 20 dlr and lower, the ruble will “drop” great, a panic may well begin.
  • Sergey_33 9 March 2020 08: 05 New
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    Mortality from coronavirus according to objective data, which WHO does not deny - 0,7 percent. Actually - lower, because up to 80 percent of cases of coronavirus infection are not diagnosed - it is asymptomatic or as a mild "cold." If you examine 10000 patients with banal SARS in Russia, it turns out that 10-15 percent have the same coronavirus infection. But it is expensive and unnecessary. An immune layer is formed in society, when it is sufficient, the spread of coronavirus infection will stop, and this virus will cease to be scary, like the bird or swine flu has not scared anyone for a long time. And officials in Russia and the WHO will declare that they have defeated the "plague of the 21st century" and will hang medals. And two years later they’ll come up with "sheep fever." Or something else - because pharmaceutical companies need money, and officials need medals.
    As for the fall in the price of raw materials, a catastrophe awaits us not because of the American or Masonic "conspiracy", but because of the stupidity and greed of Russian officials and oligarchs. This week, oil is likely to collapse, perhaps up to 20 dlr and lower, the ruble will “drop” great, a panic may well begin.

    A great reason to jump off the oil needle. As I wanted the whole spectrum of sofa analytics from liberals to patriots. It will be natural to break, although guardians of the Fatherland prefer to remember it only for idle criticism.
    1. atalef 9 March 2020 12: 26 New
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      A great reason to jump off the oil needle.

      without money, being under sanctions and with a deficit budget (it is already scarce)
      How's that?
      Quote: Sergey_33
      Naturally there will be a breaking

      not tired of breaking it?
      1. Krasnodar 9 March 2020 13: 33 New
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        One can
        Ensuring the safety of business, creating offshore companies for foreign companies subject to local employment, removing the brutal tax from the employer, reducing VAT.
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        Atalef - what is it? belay you seem to be from Krasnodar from one "regiment" ... ah-yay ... bosses scold ... laughing
      3. IS-80_RVGK2 9 March 2020 22: 03 New
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        without money, being under sanctions and with a deficit budget (it is already scarce)

        What a nightmare. And how soon to wait for the death of Russia the prophet Atalef? laughing
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          Quote: atalef
          without money, being under sanctions and with a deficit budget (it is already scarce)

          What a nightmare. And how soon to wait for the death of Russia the prophet Atalef? laughing

          There is nothing to wait for, Russia will not perish and not be so worried. It’s just a couple more years of struggle to return at least to early 2020
  • honest people 9 March 2020 08: 09 New
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    It has been read more than once or twice that there were no amendments to officials. They say to me: "Deception of hearing!" Indeed, how can the vertical be offended - a backup of central authority? Apparently, there really was a massive hallucination.

    It’s necessary to tighten the belt around the neck and endure!
  • nikvic46 9 March 2020 08: 17 New
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    I don’t want to talk about a new misfortune. Another misfortune. The world became ill with hypocrisy. The so-called democracy turned into the egoism of every person. It could not be otherwise. Each country suffers from an understanding of its exclusivity. I looked at the column "evening high schools". It turns out that this school existed only in the USSR and in pre-revolutionary Russia. But the attitude towards morality has sharply increased. There is some kind of puritanism. Without literate people, we can’t get anywhere. What’s going on behind the hill, only corporations are interested. An ordinary person comes to the market and sees that he is no longer there, not at all preoccupied with what is happening abroad. We live in human habits. And for centuries. And breaking it all overnight ...
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      yes there are these schools now. stupidly for an example https://topolevo-school.1c-umi.ru/
  • nikvic46 9 March 2020 08: 22 New
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    Soon the world will come up with a "Code of Ethics for the Builder of Capitalism." Man must be kept in good shape.
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      Soon the world will come up with a "Code of Ethics for the Builder of Capitalism"

      in Russia, one of the highest awards is the Hero of Labor.
      Which one?
      Hero of Labor of the Russian Federation - the highest degree of distinction for special labor services to the state and people, the state award of the Russian Federation. The title is conferred on citizens of the Russian Federation for special labor services to the state and people related to the achievement of outstanding results in state, social and economic activities aimed at ensuring the well-being and prosperity of Russia.

      look through the list and find the heroes of cap.work
    2. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 20: 49 New
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      Man must be kept in good shape.

      This has long been invented in capitalism, after the collapse, and we have begun to grow rapidly.
  • Snail N9 9 March 2020 08: 53 New
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    Here, more interesting is written about what is happening, so to speak "in the first person": "George Soros, goodbye to the normal world": https: //zen.yandex.ru/media/politicanow/djordj-soros-proscai-normalnyi-mir-5e2e2e635d636200ae9b229a ?
  • parusnik 9 March 2020 08: 55 New
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    "No panic, only no panic. I have 10 chandeliers at home" (c) laughing
  • Mihail55 9 March 2020 09: 09 New
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    Of course it’s easier to blame on Deripaska why I, except for the profession, the number 32 nut wrapper, have not mastered anything in my life. And why they cut me so handsome.
    Threat I'm sitting without work. Who's guilty? Option a) Coronovirus, Trump, Putin, Bandera, Reptilians. And option b) own laziness. For the soul, option a is closer, but true option b

    Good day, Sergey. A little already in other topics wandered smile
    But ... I will answer. You can see by ava that she’s retired for 5 years (well, she’s living ... I WORK). I work in the same workshop that I started in 1977 as a technologist (although I had to run away ... resort ... LIFE). The plant is still breathing ... WHILE. Unlike Deripaska, our owners ... managers ... value workers ... engineers (although there are forced layoffs). A new misfortune ... and again the dollar climbed ... again, everything imported is expensive to buy! But YOUR (snap, tool) is NOT !!!! Of course, I exaggerate, but the minuscule is still ours ... will I survive?
  • Ivan Kolodin 9 March 2020 09: 21 New
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    I just want Putin’s singing along to ask, today they again hit the record -30%, the bucks climbed to storm the heights, gasoline will grow again, as always with us .... Why in 21 years we could not get off the needle of oil and gas, and really get away from imports? We were driven into such a trap that there are simply no words .... I want to know from the Kremlin the bots pouring shit on the USSR, which country was built by comrade Putin and his team, that they again went into crisis without creating anything and eating everything?
    Today is the day off .... And tomorrow the next otdyralovsky stage of the people will begin, from about the claims of the West, as they will inspire from the screens .....
    I remember 2018 there was an option to change the situation, but the elections were merged and many rejoiced that hurray stability .... Donkeys and traitors burn in hell for you ....
    1. carstorm 11 9 March 2020 12: 00 New
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      well, except how to be rude to you, such people don’t know anything. so that 18 years or something else would not have changed.
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      I’ll tell you, comrade liberal, the fault is that our country does not sit on the oil needle in the Russian Federation, but in the USSR with Comrade Brezhnev - it was he who transferred the economy of our country to raw material rails, seduced by high oil prices at that time. So we are sitting on this needle not 20, but already 50 years old! Putin for all the time of his reign has been raking and raking up the heap of problems that the CPSU general secretaries and Yeltsin left us as a legacy. So no high is unacceptable to him. He saved the country from decay and disappearance from the world map, put it firmly on its feet, and returned to most people a relatively quiet, peaceful, calm and polite life. And you, a pale young man with a burning eye, I recommend thinking with your head, and not hammering it in yourself with liberal or shovel shit - living with a smart head will be easier. And then a generation has grown up that has not yet achieved anything in life and has not asserted itself as an individual, but has found the root of all its troubles in the current government.
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        I’ll tell you, comrade liberal, the fault is that our country does not sit on the oil needle in the Russian Federation, but in the USSR with Comrade Brezhnev - it was he who transferred the economy of our country to raw material rails, seduced by high oil prices at that time.

        Oh how. Already 20 years have passed since raking. The Communists during this time carried out industrialization in incomparably more difficult conditions, and the slave in the galleys still can not fly. Why so?
        1. Nameless 9 March 2020 22: 38 New
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          Roughly speaking, industrialization was carried out in a gang style with respect to its own people. It’s like two ways to make money - you can go to the bandits and get a substantial sum of money from the “business” right away, or you can honestly work for a long time and scrupulously in regular work and get paid once a month for it. Stalinist methods are nevertheless very unacceptable methods of state development, when at first they turn some into serfs in collective farm labor camps, and others, on false charges of sabotage or espionage, send GULAG networks to camps - to large construction sites, harmful production, and uranium mining . I hope that you will agree with me that the short time frame for achieving the result cannot justify the fact that the people literally turn into slaves and serfs, which they regard as consumables.

          Well, if in detail, then artificially, by means of surplus seizures, they took food from the peasants (about 80% of the then population), creating hunger and forcing them to rally in collective farm labor camps, thereby collectively forcing them. The money received for agricultural products after collectivization and the sale of cultural objects and jewelry of the Russian Empire abroad went to the acquisition of machinery, materials, and the hiring of specialists who carried out industrialization with us abroad.

          You can try honestly, by creating the right conditions, developing business and industries to scrupulously develop - or you can take away from those that are, divide among yourself, find the extreme ones and force them to do hard and dirty work at gunpoint. Putin followed the first path — he did not create any labor camps in which you either do what the party orders you to — or you will be killed. He only gives instructions to people and controls their work, and does not force them to do something under pain of death, even at the cost of their own lives. Stalin, on the other hand, turned a certain part of citizens into slaves — who either work or die from execution.

          We are already taking the first steps to get off the raw needle - graphene nanotubes will give us the lion's profit.

          And I ask you to excuse me for the syllable - it's too late. If something is not clear to you - do not be shy, I will answer you in detail.
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            Oh oh, what a cheap demagoguery. Again Gulag, slaves, etc.
            Again, Putin saved someone there.
            Tomorrow everything will begin again ... graphene tubes will save everyone ...
            20 years of idle chatter, squandering and plundering everything, mediocrity in everything, endless hypocrisy of lies and self-PR. This is of course epic.
            1. Nameless 9 March 2020 23: 22 New
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              20 years of empty chatter is the chatter of “fighters with the regime” about “corruption”, “cuts”, “kickbacks”, “oligarchs”, “gas station country”, “raw materials appendage of the West”, “theft of pensions”, “violation human rights and freedoms "," lack of democracy "," evil tyrant "," was lost "and other pearls of liberals and neo-Stalinists. 20 years of idle chatter aimed at brainwashing and recruiting activists from among stupid youth. 20 years of empty chatter of political saboteurs and the fifth column.
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                Yes, yes, repeat this one more time when the oil will be at $ 20, as in the 90s.
                Only you will be carried forward with your feet before you say so.
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                  Thu! I am not interested in the 90s at all - for I am not a supporter of Yeltsin. I am a supporter of the current government - and I will be on its side in any situation! And not how some are trying to cling to those to whom it is more profitable for their reputation or wallet.
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                    Th ...
                    You have not seen the 90s in Russia, you are a Ukrainian who has nailed to situevine.
                    Only you were mistaken, my friend)))) Zvynaite, yaksho ne so ...
                    1. Nameless 10 March 2020 08: 17 New
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                      So do you have any arguments in favor of the fact that I am a foreigner - or will you still talk like a pug? Well, how do you confirm that I am an Anglo-Saxon or Ukrainian? Maybe next time you say that I'm generally a reptiloid from Rigel?
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            You still say that you believe in all this nonsense. laughing
            Quote: Nameless
            but you can take from those that are, divide between yourself

            You very accurately described what happened in the 90s. And how Putin said there? We will leave everything as it is and we will not review anything. This is about honesty and the rule of law.
            Quote: Nameless
            We are already taking the first steps to get off the raw needle - graphene nanotubes will give us the lion's profit.

            You whistlers are just tired of the horror. For 30 years, we are all taking the first steps. How much more to suffer? A hundred years? Two hundred? Do you really think that this stupid demagogy will give a ride? smile
            1. Nameless 10 March 2020 23: 08 New
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              Please do not confuse the warm with the soft - in the 90s state the property passed into private ownership. Yes, I know that for you, if the other has something that you don’t have (the so-called private property), then you should kill him for it and disgrace the corpse as a bourgeois and a degenerate. State - does not mean folk. People’s is a populist slogan of socialists, anarchists, communism and other brethren, aimed at a simple-minded and uneducated public (and even marinal). In the USSR there was no national property - everything was state. From the fact that you considered some kind of nature reserve as a national one, this did not mean that you could cut down wood there or catch fish as your own. If the state has conducted pipes somewhere, this does not mean that these are your pipes and that you can do whatever you want with them. As they say "do not confuse your fur with the state!"

              You hope to work hard for me to answer reasonably the question of what is criminal and illegal in transferring state property to a private one after a planned economy changes to a market economy. Well, uncover your "Stalinist training manual of the fighter with the regime"!

              With me such a trick as attributing to me your destructive intentions regarding the country and your attributing to myself my attempts to defend the state will not work. It’s you who have been whistlers for 20 years since the 90s ended and the relative order reigned, trying to destabilize the situation in the country again and provoke a revolution in it with all its charms - hunger, disease, interventions, civil wars. And for this, you are trying with all your might to insinuate the government by spreading forgery.

              Why did you decide that what we are doing now is the first steps. Proofs - or on x!
              In general, they are waiting for your arguments, and not the next attack of your neurosthenia and moral diarrhea.
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                Quote: Nameless
                Please do not confuse warm with soft - in the 90s state property passed into private property. Yes, I know that for you, if the other has something that you don’t have (the so-called private property), then you should kill him for it and disgrace the corpse as a bourgeois and a degenerate. State does not mean popular. People’s is a populist slogan of socialists, anarchists, communism and other brethren, aimed at a simple-minded and uneducated public (and even marinal). In the USSR there was no national ownership - everything was state-owned.

                You don’t understand what I wrote to you with regards to demagogy? I repeat to you once again your demagogy will not work. Even if we assume that the state does not mean popular, and this is the arrogant nonsense of the demagogue, then what artist in the 90s left state property to 10 percent of the population, and 90 percent were left without nichrome? Let me tell you tales. Get smart.
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                  Hey lad, slow down a few octaves and speak simpler. I’m not your mother for you to talk to me like that. If my arguments are demagogy for you, then your comments for me are nothing more than a sound formed by the labor activity of the intestines of a person sitting on the toilet.

                  And how do you imagine the privatization process? Probably how free distribution of all municipal, federal, regional and other property to someone hit just like the owner of a poultry yard scattering grains to his hens? Or, after all, how can it be taken out of the public sector and made possible to acquire it for those who CAN acquire it? You are very naive and impudent, and also marginal - it will be very difficult for you in this life with a similar manner of communication ...
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                    I watch you have not been beaten with candelabra. Go steal your hodor about people with fair faces who suddenly had honestly earned billions in the 90s for which they bought state property. This again, without taking into account the fact that in fact it was popular. And who didn’t get nichrome from these deals.
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                      How these same billions appeared in bright faces is another story. You, in turn, do not even try to take the conversation the other way. You asked me why the property received 10%, and not 90% - I answered you with a rhetorical question. Now it turns out that "I tell you about Yeryoma - and you tell me about Vasily."
                      You tell Hodor that, pseudo-patriot. And not only him.
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                Why did you decide that what we are doing now is the first steps. Proofs - or on x!

                Are you really bad brain? These are your own words.
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                  You are apparently having eye contact. I re-read my comments twice in this article - I found the "first steps" only regarding the production of processors and graphene nanotubes as the first attempt to get off the commodity economy - before that we had not even tried to get off of it. Something is definitely wrong with you. No need to ascribe to me the meaning of what you had under “30 years of the first steps” - you will be respected in a cultural society. Otherwise, no one will say hello to you and wish you good health.
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                    That is, you want to say that for 30 years you and you like nichrome have not done anything? Well done it's even better. good
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                      I feel sorry for you - you probably have no other joy in this life, except to be rude and try to troll people on the Internet. You are probably a disabled person, confined to a bed - in this case, I probably need to be more tolerant with you.
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                        I don’t feel sorry for you. He always despised and never put up stupid people who thought they could deceive me and impose their point of view.
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                        Think what you want. I do not care what beliefs and worldview you are. The only trouble is that you consider your views the only true and correct. And you will definitely have problems communicating with people. Just perfect dumb cannon fanatic meat.
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                        Quote: Nameless
                        The only trouble is that you consider your views the only true and correct.

                        This does not matter, because they are these very views that are true and correct. laughing
                        And you mean your views are not correct? Then why are you trying to convince everyone of your innocence? I’m looking at all completely confused in your demagoguery. laughing
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                        I am aware that my views and beliefs are just MY views and beliefs that they are not the only true ones. Somewhere I am right, and somewhere I can be mistaken. That another person can consider differently based on his thoughts and life experience - and I can understand the reason for this. In any case, nothing prevents me from expressing my point of view and discussing with other people in some cases.
                        In any case, I do not do tyranny unlike you, believing that I am everywhere and absolutely right. And so I conditionally enter any door, and you are a psychopath.
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                        Somewhere I am right, and somewhere I can be mistaken.

                        I'll tell you a secret you're wrong everywhere. smile
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                        I knew that you would say this - you wouldn’t have to hear the other from the fanatic. But to be honest, your point of view is completely unimportant.
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                        Quote: Nameless
                        But to be honest, your point of view is completely unimportant.

                        I kind of know. You have tried more than once and in almost every comment to try to impose your point of view on me. smile
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                        It’s bad that it didn’t reach you the first time - you have to repeat it again and again as an alternative to the gifted one!
                        Imposing? In my opinion you have a persecution mania!
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                        Quote: Nameless
                        In my opinion you have a persecution mania!

                        Probably. laughing
  • Nameless 10 March 2020 23: 55 New
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    Yes, for you, in principle, everything that is not done in our country is all for the worse.
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      Quote: Nameless
      Yes, for you, in principle, everything that is not done in our country is all for the worse.

      Let's scream Tobacco. Notably, I pinched your tail. laughing
      1. Nameless 13 March 2020 23: 25 New
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        Why should I scream? It’s you who have already contracted internally and are ready to cry from an internal resentment. For besides insults you have nothing left for your soul - you even lost your human appearance, scotched, fell to all fours, barking like a bald Pug, which was bathed in the ice hole of the glorious Danube.
        Apparently, you are that pathetic minuser of non-traditional orientation, who in one of the articles saw my commentary with the words "the personification of the Libarasts - Jackal Tabaki." Keep amusing me - you are doing very well!
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          How much squealing. laughing
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            What amuse you today, huh, funny?
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              Are you still here? However, you are stubborn. laughing
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              What do you care about my leisure time? Go where you went. Well, with God, step like an elephant to the north!
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              I look wounded pride does not allow you to calm down. I suppose you think you're smart. laughing
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              Sir, it is completely uninteresting for me to comment on the Military Review with you. You are sad and incredibly thick - so thick that the space can collapse beneath you and give rise to a black hole.
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              Merge already a bore. laughing
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              Go to schoolboy sleep!
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    I don’t understand this world’s bloated panic ... I’m sure in two months, everyone will forget about it ..

    I am sure that after two months your training manual will be rewritten and you will explain to the poor electorate that America is to blame for everything! good
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      I am sure that after two months your training manual will be rewritten and you will explain to the poor electorate that America is to blame for everything!

      The video you brought is your main argument ?! belay
      Are there any arguments against?
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  • Last centurion 9 March 2020 13: 29 New
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    even if a couple of billion people are utilized, a 7-man detachment will not notice the loss of a “fighter.” .. and even if all sorts of Bangladeshi and other Honduran-like tanzania are lost there all the more. in fact, the virus is still nothing, the most interesting thing will begin when, due to reduced consumption and production plus climatic instability, a Horseman named Hunger will drop in on our planet.
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      a Horseman named Hunger will drop into our planet.

      And lack of fresh water.
  • Operator 9 March 2020 13: 37 New
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    Mortality from coronavirus in Italy reached 5% and this is clearly not the limit.

    Falling energy prices are accompanied by climate warming - i.e. droughts in the regions with the largest population (Europe, Asia, Africa) and a multiple increase in grain yields in the only region - Russia, which has an almost unlimited amount of water and land resources.

    So in the near future we can expect a large-scale exchange of renewable Russian food resources for non-renewable hydrocarbon resources from the Persian Gulf countries and metal ores from Africa. Plus, deliveries of Russian grain in exchange for industrial products from Europe and China.
  • Sergey_33 9 March 2020 13: 50 New
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    Quote: Sergey_33
    A great reason to jump off the oil needle.

    without money, being under sanctions and with a deficit budget (it is already scarce)
    How's that?
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    Naturally there will be a breaking

    not tired of breaking it?

    Strange logic. Falling oil prices are a great motivation to reduce dependence on oil dollars. And the ruble exchange rate for import substitution. Moreover, there is a nest egg.
    Yes, it will hit ordinary citizens, instead of Egypt or Turkey you have to choose between Sochi or Yalta .. It's sad .. Yes, and you have to wait a while with a new phone ...
    1. CT-55_11-9009 9 March 2020 18: 09 New
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      Yes, it will hit ordinary citizens, instead of Egypt or Turkey, they will have to choose between Sochi or Yalta ..

      Well, I don’t know about you, but we were already brought at work to get acquainted with the “Notice of the aggravation of the situation in the Middle East”, where it is written in black and white that it is not recommended to go to Turkey (read, it’s impossible - they’ll be killed).
      1. dali 9 March 2020 19: 24 New
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        It is not recommended to travel to Turkey (read, it is impossible - they will kill).

        I have never traveled to Turkey, and I hope I will not go ...
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          Quote: Dali
          I have never traveled to Turkey, and I hope I will not go ...

          But what if in the movie: “A tourist? - No, in the infantry”?
          1. dali 9 March 2020 20: 17 New
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            But what if in the movie: “A tourist? - No, in the infantry”?

            Well, if they only take it, so to speak for the good of the matter, otherwise ballast will somehow be embarrassing.
      2. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 21: 35 New
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        "Notice of the aggravation of the situation in the Middle East," where it is written in black and white that it is not recommended to go to Turkey (read, you can’t — they will be killed).

        Well, the world of tourism business in Turkey will do everything to secure tourism, the rejection of Russian tourism, a powerful blow in the pocket. Remember the summer in Georgia raised "hippy", but tourism exceeded ambition.
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          Well, the world of tourism business in Turkey will do everything to secure tourism, the rejection of Russian tourism, a powerful blow in the pocket. Remember the summer in Georgia raised "hippy", but tourism exceeded ambition.

          Maybe. I think they have already expressed their strong "fi" to the government. After all, the beginning of the holiday season is just around the corner, and here is such a trick from politicians.
          1. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 22: 05 New
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            Maybe. I think they have already expressed their strong "fi" to the government. After all, the beginning of the holiday season is just around the corner, and here is such a trick from politicians.

            Well, since April, tourism in Turkey has been "trampled upon," and the Russian tourist is a very tasty morsel. Politics, politics, and business in the first place. And Russian tourists in Turkey are waiting with outstretched hands. Their service is not bad.
      3. Nameless 9 March 2020 23: 51 New
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        That's right - you should not meddle there, especially if you work for the defense industry. Anything can happen there. Turkey is a NATO country, and there the USA can detain and extradite with the subsequent knocking out of "cooperation", and all sorts of terrorists from the Islamic Republic also settle there. Better to go to the Crimea.
  • Nameless 9 March 2020 14: 26 New
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    some inquisitor guards who fit into the system.

    Oh, how did you get people who simply love their country no matter what it is! Well, for me, you are nothing more than political saboteurs, who acted with us before, and now after we intervened in the conflicts in Syria and on the outskirts (and, accordingly, we interfere with all the plans of the West), they again jumped out of the snuffbox on the orders of their foreign owners and trying to arrange a coup for us (having preliminarily insinuated both the government and the country here with their propaganda activities) - so that we can return to the 90s or 1937 \ 38th years, replace the government with completely incompetent and so that we no longer pop in the affairs of foreign countries, cradling his wounds and again steeped in internal problems.
    1. Beringovsky 9 March 2020 23: 08 New
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      You have confused love for Russia with loyalty.
      Being a patriot and being a lackey in power is not the same thing. hi
      1. Nameless 9 March 2020 23: 43 New
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        This is just almost a copy-paste of one of my comments as my answer to the question "what is love for Russia":
        Love for the Motherland is to be delighted with the nature of our native land, from the awareness of the greatness of the affairs of our ancestors, to admire our literature and music, that you are surrounded by people who speak the same language with you and share your beliefs, to be proud of being a great citizen Countries with a glorious history.

        Specifically, in my case, I love Putin because he lifted the country from his knees behind his presidency, solved many problems that have accumulated and inherited from the times of the USSR and from Yeltsin, preserved the independence and territorial integrity of our country, eliminated the terrorist threat, and put things in order in the North Caucasus , curbed the dashing banditry from the 90s, wrapped the tails of the oligarchs of the Yeltsin era, stabilized the economy, modernized the Armed Forces, Ministry of Internal Affairs, VV and other departments, showed his teeth to the West - i.e. he did enough to be talked about in a very good tone. High was spread on him and is being distributed through all kinds of activists by those who would not mind taking his place in their own selfish interests. But you, young people from the 2000s, do not understand this. You perceive the history of your country through the blocs and youtube channels of all leftists. As they tell you - so you will bark.

        About a lackey in power, it’s like “I’m glad to serve - but it makes me sick to serve”, yes? laughing
        1. Beringovsky 10 March 2020 00: 32 New
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          I’m not "youth from the 2000s", moderate ardor, dear.
          I searched and found oil for the country in the 80s, the oil on which the current government parasitizes.
          And I set up gas fields in Yamburg, drilled and repaired the wells from which the currency for the country goes.
          Do not poke me.
          1. Nameless 10 March 2020 00: 35 New
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            You can’t tell you what you were looking for in the 80s - you are just like modern lobotrans, homegrown revolutionaries and protesters in your mind. Well, in your pearls you are definitely a fanatic with a training manual in your head instead of thoughts.
            1. Beringovsky 10 March 2020 00: 54 New
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              What a cheap troll you are. Your nickname really suits you.
              Nothing but fastidiousness I do not feel for you.
              It's bad to be like this...
              1. Nameless 10 March 2020 00: 56 New
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                soldier soldier soldier ROTAAA !: W-W-A-I-M-N-O !!!!! soldier soldier soldier (laughing)
                Do you want me to put a plus for this? "Paying a dollar for it!" (x \ "Robocop") laughing
                1. Beringovsky 10 March 2020 01: 10 New
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                  Leave the dollar for yourself, it will come in handy.
                  By the way, you don’t know how many Kremlin boats are paying for comments now?
                  Purely academic interest, if cho! laughing
                  Cho then I think you should be on the verge! wink
  • A. Privalov 9 March 2020 14: 35 New
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    "Today's average people want a sweet life. And even the minimal losses for modern society are unacceptable."writes the author. Absolutely right! The average person at all times wants to live calmly and sweetly, and society does not want to suffer losses. This is completely natural.
    If we discard the theory of conspiracy, then the thorough implementation of elementary hygiene standards, if not a panacea, then an obvious path to salvation. Moreover, serious laboratories, led by leading experts all over the world, are working on the issue of creating a vaccine.
    1. dali 9 March 2020 19: 21 New
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      Absolutely right! The average person at all times wants to live calmly and sweetly, and society does not want to suffer losses. This is completely natural.

      With only one amendment: A society that wants to destroy Russia. Yes, he does not want to incur losses, but if these are the losses of Russia, then they do not care.
      And such societies are not one, there are in the West, and in the East, and in the South ...
      1. A. Privalov 9 March 2020 19: 48 New
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        In your opinion, Dali, it turns out that the world is divided into Russia and the "Society that wants to destroy Russia."
        So, even the Australian aborigines, even the pygmies from the equatorial forests of Africa, who have never heard of Russia and do not even suspect its existence, want to live in peace and do not want to bear losses. And for you and me, for now, it remains only to wash our hands well with soap, regardless of the machinations of enemies or the smiles of friends.
        1. dali 9 March 2020 20: 06 New
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          In your opinion, Dali, it turns out that the world is divided into Russia and the "Society that wants to destroy Russia."
          So, even the Australian aborigines, even the pygmies from the equatorial forests of Africa, who have never heard of the existence of Russia and do not even suspect its existence, want to live in peace and do not want to suffer losses.

          What does the aborigines of Australia have to do with it? So far, I see the attitude of Russia towards their societies ...
          Well ... yes, the world is divided, and many societies want to destroy Russia - you do not agree, well, you can only be convinced of this if it happens ... because I do not intend to convince you of this. And not to happen, you will always find arguments that I was kind of wrong ...
  • honest people 9 March 2020 16: 53 New
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    Well, I have no doubt that many of them here do not write comments for free. So at least spit in their eyes, they will say God's dew.
    But the truth is ours drinks

    You are faced with the mobilization of Kremlin boats!
  • CT-55_11-9009 9 March 2020 17: 50 New
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    Let's start from the end.
    Quote: Nameless
    Food, clothing, basic necessities - this is everywhere in large quantities I see on store shelves every day.

    Let's talk about quality? Bread is either expensive (from 50-60 rubles per loaf), or its quality ... Not a cake, in a word. Milk - if not at the market in the suburban villagers (this is EXACTLY not about large cities, everything is bought up by dealers for a pittance and sold for nifigovyh amounts with a large margin), then firstly, expensive (from 70 r per liter), secondly secondly, not sour even for a week. And this is far from milk. Sausage - the same thing: either not even out of paper, or not afford a quarter of the population of Russia. Poultry - well, at least here our agriculture somehow comes to life. The meat of animals is on holidays, for it is specifically expensive. Continue to continue?
    Clothing is entirely China with a dilution of Turkish textiles. I meet the domestic only at home, in Cheboksary, where our KBC somehow survives. Shoes are the same China.
    Essentials. I can’t argue that almost everything is produced with us, but a lot is under foreign brands. Accordingly, it can quickly get out of Russia.
    Quote: Nameless
    Yes, cars are reluctant to buy ours because of the previously tarnished reputation of the domestic auto industry, that it can only produce buckets with bolts and nuts and not human cars. Due to the inability of the domestic auto industry to produce competitive products, he found himself in the position of a wrestler who was almost put on his shoulder blades. The market is captured by venerable auto manufacturers - and you need to fight with them for a piece of the pie carefully.

    The cars were pretty decent. So much so that after 20 years they continue to ride. Yes, somehow, but nonetheless. And in the outback they feel much better than foreign cars. But yes, the domestic auto industry lost outright the information war, because NOBODY (including the state) did not speak out in its defense. Although they worked on a radical improvement of the situation, and by the end of the 80s they were almost ready, if not breakthrough, then quite competitive models. But - what happened ... what happened ... What - welcome to the Automobile Museum in Moscow (when I visited there - I got it, what could be produced if it weren’t for the 91st year). And yes, now we do not even have the production of our cars (trucks) without foreign components, for example, gearboxes, engines. I’m not even talking about cars - solid “screwdrivers” or licensed production, practically none of their own.
    Quote: Nameless
    By the way: Intel Pentium processors are based on our Elbrus. Therefore, a little crooked soul can pretend that they are ours

    This is where such infa ??? For Intel and without Elbrus, the ancestors of the Pentium had enough since the 71st year.
    Quote: Nameless
    We also create motherboards and video cards: it’s enough to recall the products of the Formosa company, which were popular in the mid-2000s.

    And where are they now ??? How much I was looking for - I did not find, all Intel, AMD and their various Chinese clones.
    Quote: Nameless
    Willingly purchased for the production of CNC machines, network equipment, industrial controllers and office equipment. It is not used for game consoles and PCs - the wrong market was created.

    The machines above have already been explained. If you do not understand (or do not want to understand), then this is not good, to say the least. And it is used in PCs, such, for example, the army and the FSB are supplied, only the performance of such computers is lower than that of foreign ones.

    Disagree - counterarguments, please. To send "to Google" - I will send back, like a tauktiinin.
    1. dali 9 March 2020 19: 00 New
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      Shoes are the same China.

      But lying is not good, for example, as long as I live, I have never bought Chinese shoes, I only buy and buy Russian.
      1. CT-55_11-9009 9 March 2020 19: 59 New
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        But lying is not good, for example, as long as I live, I have never bought Chinese shoes, I only buy and buy Russian.

        Sorry, but where do you live? Just for fun.
        1. dali 9 March 2020 20: 23 New
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          In Russia, most of my life in the Volga-Vyatka region ... and the same thing - I only bought Russian shoes. And with the milk and meat after the 2000s there was, I will not say for the price, the quality was better than in any centers.
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            Quote: Dali
            most of life in the Volga-Vyatka region ...

            And specifically where? I’m just myself from the Volga region, Cheboksary. So in our markets there was dominance of the Chinese people (I say it was because I don’t know the situation, since 2011, when I drove to Moscow to study, I haven’t come home for more than a month and a half, but there was no time for reeling about the markets )
            Quote: Dali
            And with the milk and meat after the 2000s there was, I will not say for the price, the quality was better than in any centers.

            It’s a bit complicated for meat, but milk is still - at least pour. Go through the house and cross the road - you get to the markets, and there people from suburban villages sell milk, sour cream, butter, cottage cheese. And tasty, for the most part. The main thing is to arrive at the goods before 11 am, otherwise they will take it apart ...
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              since 2011, as he drove to Moscow to study, he didn’t come home for more than a month and a half, and there was no time for reeling about the markets there).

              I’ve finished my full-time studies in the Union ... but about milk and meat - not about markets, but about shops
            2. dali 9 March 2020 20: 49 New
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              So in our markets the dominance of the Chinese was (I say - it was, because now I don’t know the alignment

              Let the Chinese do consumer goods, but we need what we really can do - for example, graphene nanotubes:
              https://ria.ru/20200211/1564535545.html
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                Quote: Dali
                Let the Chinese do consumer goods, but we need what we really can do - for example, graphene nanotubes:

                Of course, you’re sorry, but the bias towards the production of goods of group “A” with the residual principle in relation to goods of group “B” was one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR, wasn’t that so? In this case, you suggest stepping on the same rake again. I don’t argue, nanotubes are needed. Moreover, as an engineer and a person who respects science, I am very glad that science gives an applied result, and is not a "spherical horse in a vacuum", but what will happen if the Chinese factory is covered with a copper basin? Naked or in cast-offs is not particularly well thought ...
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                  but what happens if the Chinese factory is covered with a copper basin? Naked or in cast-offs is not particularly well thought ...

                  Well, firstly, even if it is covered, no one will go naked ... maybe it will not be aesthetically pleasing, but certainly not naked.
                  Secondly, in order to do everything ourselves, the USSR must be returned ... now it is not possible ...

                  Weapons must be made, good ... we must be strong and fair, so that no one would want us not to sell consumer goods at a reasonable price.
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                    Quote: Dali
                    Well, firstly, even if it is covered, no one will go naked ... maybe it will not be aesthetically pleasing, but certainly not naked.

                    Well, here I really went too far. This happens to me.
                    Quote: Dali
                    Secondly, in order to do everything ourselves, the USSR must be returned ... now it is not possible ...

                    I would not say that it is impossible, but the fact that it will be VERY complicated is doubtless.
            3. Sardanapalus 10 March 2020 06: 26 New
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              Three years ago, they bought milk from their grandmother and granddaughter. They gave us the address they say come directly from us take it. We cooked something like moonshine and decided to clean it with milk (for ourselves). They remembered about the granny and the address. Arrived, all of them have the rank for the rank of hens, ducks, goats and two cows. They took the milk into the moonshine. III, that something is going wrong, part of the milk, as it should be, curdled, and part of it settled on the bottom of the powder! Here are those and the granny of god dandelion and homemade fresh milk! laughing
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                Here are those and the granny of god dandelion and homemade fresh milk!

                Sometimes it happens. Only here almost all the acquaintances who are unfamiliar can find acquaintances of acquaintances. And to put it mildly, express your “fi” for such tricks. So there is milk that smells of dirty cow, but you have to chase the powder to the store.
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          Sorry to interfere, but the tovarisch lives (or lived for a long time) somewhere in Anglo-Saxon countries.
          Maybe he lives now.
          It is there that they write Chinese, Russian shoes, etc. with a capital letter - not like in Russia.
          This is their habit. None of ours will ever think of writing like that. This is a 100% marker.
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            Quote: Beringovsky
            Sorry to interfere, but the tovarisch lives (or lived for a long time) somewhere in Anglo-Saxon countries.
            Maybe he lives now.
            It is there that they write Chinese, Russian shoes, etc. with a capital letter - not like in Russia.
            This is their habit. None of ours will ever think of writing like that. This is a 100% marker.

            I think he lived a long time. Now - most likely all the same in our land native aspens. And, besides, even a couple of years is already a considerable period. My classmate left after school in Eindhoven to study (and stayed there, of course), so a year later he arrived like to visit, to meet friends - that’s all, not a fig Russian: Western manners, gasped and groaned purely like a foreigner. Thank you, I also spoke Russian ...
    2. dali 9 March 2020 20: 01 New
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      The meat of animals is on holidays, for it is specifically expensive. Continue to continue?

      Meat - beef, pork, lamb - only on holidays? At how much does it cost you? And where do you live then? Because I did not notice such a huge difference in price with poultry.
      But sausages not made of paper are enough, there is another problem - preservatives are solid, although there is a normal one (as well as for the price), but its choice is much less.
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        Meat - beef, pork, lamb - only on holidays? At how much does it cost you? And where do you live then? Because I did not notice such a huge difference in price with poultry.

        Firstly, from 3 to 18 years old he lived in Cheboksary (670 km from Moscow, just in case), without a father, with mom and grandmother, mother was very ill for a long time and could not work, so there were 13-15 a month for three thousand rubles, with 3-5 thousand per rent (depending on the season; a 3-room apartment still went to his grandfather, Mostotryad was given good housing). Think for yourself how you can live on the leftovers. At the same time, even for kindergarten-age children need a lot of money, we don’t talk about schoolchildren - the expenses are very high. Therefore, it was on holidays. Then he went to study in Moscow, lived on a scholarship (a little less than 4 tr at the end of his studies, thank you for the hostel). Now I work in Moscow, 40 thousand salaries, 28 need to be paid for renting an apartment, I also send a couple of thousand home. Moscow meat prices are not encouraging, so again - on holidays.
        1. dali 9 March 2020 20: 53 New
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          Now I work in Moscow, 40 thousand salary, 28 must be paid for renting an apartment.

          In Moscow 40tyr is the same as in Cheboksary 8tyr ... ёёёёёёёёёё
          Who did you study in Moscow for ?! belay belay belay
          In Moscow it’s hard to live with this money even having your own housing !!!
          What do you work with?
          40tyr is the salary of migrant workers from the middle of Asia, and the same groups who are engaged in apartment renovations will not work for this money !!!
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            Who did you study in Moscow for ?!

            Engineer, graduated from the Aerospace Department (now an institute as part of) MAI. 40 thousand at the start for an engineer who just graduated is not the worst option, some 32-34 get ... I work again as an engineer at VNIIEM Corporation, up to two years in the best case. That's how we live.
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              40 thousand at the start for a newly graduated engineer is not the worst option .... at VNIIEM Corporation

              I can’t say anything good about our state ... this is another problem when we don’t value our own, but for Moscow it’s a shame ... well, young specialist, to gain experience and gain, but at least, at least with they solved housing problems ... and then they don’t understand why the rockets are falling.
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                and then they don’t understand why the rockets are falling.

                A rocket flew, fell into a swamp:
                What salary is such a job.

                Well, I’ll say this: at my enterprise and in my department at least there is a prospect for three or four years to reach a stable 70 thousand, and this is not so bad. In Roscosmos (it refers precisely to enterprises that are subordinate to it), and often this is not there, everything is worse.
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                  and this is not so bad.

                  We survived ... in Moscow 70tyr is not so bad ... not so bad in Moscow it is 120tyr on hand ...

                  Well, good luck ... as they say, we will be alive, we will not die !!! laughing
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                    Well, good luck ... as they say, we will be alive, we will not die !!!

                    Thanks for your kind words. I will live at least purely out of harm! And good luck in life!
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                well, young specialist, to gain experience and gain, but at least, at least with housing problems solved ...

                Not, for a young employee, at least at VNIIEM, there are a lot of bonuses: surcharge, reduced fare (essentially very profitable), surcharge of 10 thousand for renting an apartment, etc. .. BUT! To receive this surcharge, you need to provide documents on the withdrawal, and often they are removed (I admit, I also) "black" because this, as far as I know, taxes are also paid, and because of this, the cost rises to save money, so in such a case, that "in white" with an extra charge, that "black" without it - the difference is, maybe a couple of thousand turns out.
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          Now I work in Moscow, 40 thousand salaries, 28 need to be paid for renting an apartment, I also send a couple of thousand home. Moscow meat prices are not encouraging, so again - on holidays.

          Well, to live in the Mother See, at 40K at 28 for shooting, is very inconvenient. It’s better to rent somewhere in the suburbs, and get to the dog to work. 40K is very good in the countryside!
          As for the meat, my advice to you is baked chicken breasts and boiled eggs of their own. And useful, and satisfying, and cheap.
  • honest people 9 March 2020 17: 57 New
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    I’ll tell you, comrade liberal, the fault is that our country does not sit on the oil needle in the Russian Federation, but in the USSR with Comrade Brezhnev - it was he who transferred the economy of our country to raw material rails, seduced by high oil prices at that time. So we are sitting on this needle not 20, but already 50 years old! Putin for all the time of his reign has been raking and raking up the heap of problems that the CPSU general secretaries and Yeltsin left us as a legacy. So no high is unacceptable to him. He saved the country from decay and disappearance from the world map, put it firmly on its feet, and returned to most people a relatively quiet, peaceful, calm and polite life. And you, a pale young man with a burning eye, I recommend thinking with your head, and not hammering it in yourself with liberal or shovel shit - living with a smart head will be easier. And then a generation has grown up that has not yet achieved anything in life and has not asserted itself as an individual, but has found the root of all its troubles in the current government.

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      I’ll tell you comrade liberalist: the fault is that our country does not sit on the oil needle on the Russian Federation, but on the USSR with Comrade Brezhnev


      You do not agree?
      And the video that you posted is the main argument ?! belay

      Yes, the trouble of the USSR was also that such as Aleksey Nikolaevich Kosygin became in a minority, but why - this is another completely difficult question.
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      It’s like you tried to hurt me with the creativity of Svidomo ragul, right? laughing laughing laughing (I laugh so that the foundations of the universe itself shudder).
      "Know your place, shadow!" laughing laughing laughing
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          Is that all you could squeeze out of yourself as an answer? laughing
          I don’t know, I don’t know how it lives in Anglo-Saxonism — I have never been there in my life. I was born in the Russian Federation and live in it all my life. I have never been abroad - even in the CIS countries. I didn’t even go to Belarus.
          What are your arguments in favor of the fact that I live in Anglo-Saxon? Or is it - your unfounded and categorical statement?
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    Of course, you’re sorry, but the bias towards the production of goods of group “A” with the residual principle in relation to goods of group “B” was one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR, wasn’t that so? In this case, you suggest stepping on the same rake again. I don’t argue, nanotubes are needed. Moreover, as an engineer and a person who respects science, I am very glad that science gives an applied result, and is not a "spherical horse in a vacuum", but what will happen if the Chinese factory is covered with a copper basin? Naked or in cast-offs is not particularly well thought ...

    By the way, about graphene nanotubes - this is our chance to get off the commodity economy.
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    I can’t say anything good about our state.

    Well, in vain you are like this - for the last 20 years we have been living on the principle of "not fat - I would be alive!"
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    For the soul, option a is closer, but true option 6

    This is not true, but the ravings of a coworking startup hipster half-entered the market. laughing

    Are you in vain, indifferent to bukhlishka stop
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    1. Nameless 10 March 2020 08: 26 New
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      They would read, General, take a closer look, see a comment about the fact that we have about 100 enterprises and factories producing machine tools, last year another plant opened in Penza. Do not be hysterical - it does not suit you as a general ...
      PS - Homeland is written with a capital letter!
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        I apologize for the homeland. And about the enterprises and our successes, I haven’t been watching television for ten years, so I don’t know. I am from simple and know what people say? The people are security guards with higher education, builders do not all turn out to drink alcohol in kilotons, in general, simple hard workers who do not fit into the modern system of effective managers. Do you know what they say? Hurry, a revolution, a coronavirus, at least something. History loves to repeat itself. 1917 not without reason struck. It was necessary to manage to bring the people to such a state.
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          Those whom you cite as an example are just political activists from leftists, disguising themselves as ordinary people. Ukrainians also like to disguise themselves as Russians dissatisfied with Putin’s policies. I have also seen a lot of such "ordinary" people.
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            OK. So I'm also an activist. Yes, a lot of us, thousands. In 1917, apparently also Western agents infiltrated the masses everywhere. And true patriots, as befitting, were dumped over the hill on parachutes.
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              Those whom burry loaded onto steamboats and drove away with pissed rags abroad really loved Russia. They were her patriots. They would be glad to stay - but to stay in a place where you can pay with your life for criticizing the Bolsheviks ...

              I think I should not once again remind about how the German General Staff in WWI helped the burrow to cross the line of the eastern front and arrange a coup in the Russian Empire - in order to get it out of the war with Germany, thereby making it easier for her to wage a war. How the Germans supplied him with money, accounts in Zurich, specialists, loaded him into a sealed car, sent him to Petrograd. Lenin is a political saboteur. Terrorist. The Brest peace to remind you? Recall the "brotherly" assistance in the form of training specialists, deliveries of raw materials and territorial (very substantial) concessions to the recent enemy? In fact, he made a satellite of Germany from our country from 1918 to 1941! But in principle, you have your own, "only correct" story in the statement of the CPSU \ RCP (b) - therefore, you will fundamentally be against it.

              Yes, you are now divorced as dogs uncut. Entire crowds of Sharikovs. You don’t have your own brains - you’re clogging your heads like trash bins by what you find in VK public, ryloknigami and classmates, in someone’s blazhki and YouTube channels. According to your logic, the official media present information pre-edited by the state - i.e. according to your "authorities hide." Is it the matter, in your opinion, that the Internet is a place beyond the control of the state and, in the end, all kinds of “smart” intellectuals with foam from their mouth are trying to “open their eyes to people”, “make them wake up”, “take to the streets” and “overthrow Tyrant” - that’s you can certainly believe them!
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                [i] Those whom burry loaded onto steamboats and drove away with pissed rags abroad really loved Russia. They were her patriots. They would be glad to stay - but to remain in a place where you can pay with your life for criticizing the Bolsheviks ... / i] They loved so much that they brought the people to a state where they already did not care about everything and everyone. So loved that mediocre command on the fronts of the First World War, thousands of men laid down. Why, women still give birth. We don’t have our brains. Not everyone is given, as they say. Why do you why Svanidze speaks a dialect?
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                  In general, the state of the state during a protracted war cannot be called safe in itself - and this is not an exception for absolutely all countries. Those who were persecuted for not sharing the views of the Bolsheviks and might be dangerous did not do anything that could harm the country. What do you think Sikorsky did to our country? But if he had stayed with us, we could have had helicopters by the beginning of World War II! It was very clever to name those about whom the burry said "intelligence is the shit of the nation" - i.e. artists, writers, poet, scientists, engineers, and other intellectual fraternity, which the burry, unlike stupid peasants, could not brainwash - so, it’s very clever of you to call these emigrants in captivity those who brought the country to the state you mentioned .
                  Incompetent command? At least you read about the fact that this was the first mechanized war, that the armies of all countries were not ready for this, that in those conditions they fought in the old fashion - bayonet fighting, cavalry, volley fire.
                  Women give birth - this is to Stalin
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                    The problem of the so-called ,, ilit "that now, what then, is that they stubbornly do not want to believe that their people are fiercely and furiously hated by all the fibers of their souls. That they live in their own paradise built on bones. In that they don’t bear any responsibility for what they’re doing with the country where they are leading it. Some of the great ones said, “A strong state cannot be destroyed until it rots from the inside.” All the foreign spies put together did not do more for the collapse of the state than the average mid-level official. Well, you continue to believe in your holiness and infallibility.
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                      You are just a naive person if you think that in this world there are people who think that everyone loves them. Every adult is aware that someone can potentially hate him.
                      Foreign spies are you yourself, while posing as patriots and "citizens concerned about the fate of their country and dissatisfied with the policies of their government." I have not seen a single spy who would directly declare that he is a spy and that he wants to ruin the state. As a rule, everyone tries to mimic “conscientious people” and “worried, dissatisfied citizens” in order to infiltrate the community and spread their false theses there, causing confusion and staggering in the minds of distant people and directing them against their own insinuated state. Your attempts to impersonate patriots, advising at the same time "to make Russia good - for this it needs to do badly" and calling true patriots at the same time. what they call you - the fifth column and the liberals - will not work.
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                Do not have the habit of thinking of others. Believe in my opinion in Russia at the moment no one can. Neither left nor right. For everything is rotten. There are no statists. There are adult uncles and aunts who dream of profit.
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                  Yes, yes, "cheated laughing I knew you would say that. laughing
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              Moreover, thanks to the Bolsheviks, our country has become an outcast country.
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                Moreover, thanks to the Bolsheviks, our country has become an outcast country.

                Yeah, subsequently recognized by all (ALL!) Countries of the world. And she became a winner in the worst war in history. It became the country that first (!) Canceled food coupons. And also the first (!) That launched the satellite into space. The first (!) That launched into space and man. So do not put a shadow on the wattle fence.

                By the way, thanks to the Democrats, the West so beloved, Weimar Germany ALSO became a rogue country. Which country recognized her first? Do not tell me?
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                  I know perfectly well that telling a supporter of the USSR negative things about him is the same as telling a true believer that God and miracles do not laughing Or how to ask a medieval peasant, they say, what kind of barn is this - having previously nodded at the church laughing however I will continue ...

                  Yeah, they recognized, but only after supporters of the Constituent Assembly lost the civil war. Before that, strangely enough, they tried to help White to eradicate this infection in the bud.

                  When you need to conduct business with a state, you will have to establish diplomatic relations with it sooner or later. You can’t just fence yourself off from any newly formed territorial unit - sooner or later you need to get in touch with him and solve his problem. Since the resistance of the White Guard with the support of units of the Entente countries has failed, then these same countries have already happened to recognize both the RSFSR and the USSR.

                  You better remember what propaganda the USSR conducted between the end of the civil war and the beginning of the mid-30s to itself in the Western countries - very, very peaceful, with all its might trying to convince the whole world of its peacefulness and harmlessness. And then remember the internal propaganda - about hatred of the bourgeoisie, about the world revolution and so on in the same spirit. Nothing that since then has the West treated the USSR as a "red threat"?

                  This is when the USSR canceled food stamps lol Yes, I had relatives in the late 80s getting food for these same coupons - they even seem to have remained somewhere in the closet!

                  About satellite and space, say thanks to the Stalinist little man Korolev - who could have been camped in the camps and was disfigured without ever bringing any benefit to the Fatherland.
                  Needless to say, space exploration in our country went as an offshoot from the development of nuclear ballistic missiles. What was the first rocket that launched into space both the satellite, and the Squirrel and Strelka, and Gagarin - ironically, this was an altered ICBM? Needless to say, luck smiled at Korolev in the camp when it was not possible to get Von Braun, that the received German rocket technologies were not enough to create his own missiles - what exactly did Beria remember about such a pest “rubbed him crying” like Korolev? Did you even know that his jaw was broken in the dungeons of Stalin's Falcons?

                  And is it worth mentioning once again how burry helped the German General Staff to remove RI from the WWII? How did they generously finance it, allocate and help prepare specialists, help cross the line of the eastern front in a sealed train car? Lenin is an ally of Kaiser Germany. He turned the RSFSR into their satellite, minion, henchman. Remind about fraternities, the Brest Peace, the supply of raw materials and materials still warring with the Entente of Germany, the return of the fertile territories of Belarus and Ukraine to it?

                  And let's draw such an interesting analogy. lol we have recently been fond of talking about the fact that in the 90s politicians studied in the West in all kinds of schools for the development of democracy and other lobud. How does this differ from the fact that your beloved founding fathers of the Soviet state were trained in a Marxist environment abroad? laughing

                  And what about the fact that the USSR recognized the Weimar Republic first? The Soviet Union, as it was a satellite of Germany, remained singing along - just as a faithful servant remains faithful to his wounded master.

                  World War II? Remember how the countries of the West helped Hitler in order to avoid the advancement of socialism to the west — socialism was worse for them than nationalism! Remember the section of Czechoslovakia, Poland. For them, Germany was a kind of bodyguard and sanitary cordon on the way of the USSR! And remember how the USSR supported Germany in the hope that it would begin to harm the West! At that time, all these crazy people on both sides simply wanted to push Hitler against each other for the sake of harming the other side! And how did it come about?

                  Remember how the United States was completely not going to join WWII - they say this does not concern them. Remember how they said: "if the Soviets win, then we will support the Nazis, if the Nazis win, we will support the Soviets.". Remember how they said during WWII that after that they would have to fight the USSR anyway! Remember the year 1946, when the paths of the former Allies - involuntarily allied, gathered on the principle of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" for the time of digging the enemy, against which no one would stand alone! They allied with the USSR right up to the moment when it was no longer needed - and the Cold War immediately began!
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                    Part one.
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                    I know perfectly well that telling a supporter of the USSR negative things about him is the same as telling a true believer that God and miracles do not

                    Yeah, but telling the enemy of the USSR about his achievements is like holy water through evil spirits, he distortes everything!
                    Quote: Nameless
                    Yeah, they recognized, but only after supporters of the Constituent Assembly lost the civil war. Before that, strangely enough, they tried to help White to eradicate this infection in the bud.

                    Yeah, why did you try to help eradicate? Is it because, in addition to the October Revolution, the German (and also socialist!) Revolution, which was crushed after all, frightened the ruling class with the fact that they could be robbed of everything? And because of this, their peoples still had to throw nishtyakov so that they would not look back at the USSR, simultaneously launching specific anti-Soviet propaganda. For especially historians: the first countries that recognized each other were the RSFSR (at that time the USSR was not yet) and (oh miracle!) Weimar Germany, this miracle happened in Rappalo. At the same time, both countries broke through the political blockade and were gradually recognized by other countries.
                    Quote: Nameless
                    When you need to conduct business with a state, you will have to establish diplomatic relations with it sooner or later. You can’t just fence yourself off from any newly formed territorial unit - sooner or later you need to get in touch with him and solve his problem. Since the resistance of the White Guard with the support of units of the Entente countries has failed, then these same countries have already happened to recognize both the RSFSR and the USSR.

                    Logically, cynically. In general, pure politics.
                    Quote: Nameless
                    You better remember what propaganda the USSR conducted between the end of the civil war and the beginning of the mid-30s to itself in the Western countries - very, very peaceful, with all its might trying to convince the whole world of its peacefulness and harmlessness. And then remember the internal propaganda - about hatred of the bourgeoisie, about the world revolution and so on in the same spirit. Nothing that since then has the West treated the USSR as a "red threat"?

                    But nothing that the Stalinist and Trotskyist concepts fought within the country? And did the Stalinist victory for a short time (relatively), and then after the Trotskyists' purges and the gift of climbing equipment straight to the head of a particularly stubborn enemy? In the late 30s they were already moving away from the concept of a "world revolution" to "building communism in a single country."
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                    This is when the USSR canceled food stamps

                    In 1947 year.
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                    Yes, I had relatives in the late 80s getting food for these same coupons - they even seem to have remained somewhere in the closet!

                    And in the 60s and 70s - also lived on coupons? Or were they introduced again in the 80s?
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                    About satellite and space, say thanks to the Stalinist little man Korolev - who could have been camped in the camps and was disfigured without ever bringing any benefit to the Fatherland.

                    Thank you for the satellite and missiles mainly to Lavrenty Pavlovich, who debugged the system so that even 10 years after his death, it continued to work, although it began to creak. Korolev, by the way, sat down "for embezzlement of national property," because there was practically no return on him, and decent amounts were allocated for his research. And he was not the only one who thundered behind bars with such a sentence; there were only enough of them leading such a few KB. By the way, after the war they were not only justified, but their status was raised sooo much.
                    Quote: Nameless
                    Needless to say, space exploration in our country went as an offshoot from the development of nuclear ballistic missiles. What was the first rocket that launched into space both the satellite, and the Squirrel and Strelka, and Gagarin - ironically, this was an altered ICBM? Needless to say, luck smiled at Korolev in the camp when it was not possible to get Von Braun, that the received German rocket technologies were not enough to create his own missiles - what exactly did Beria remember about such a pest “rubbed him crying” like Korolev? Did you even know that his jaw was broken in the dungeons of Stalin's Falcons?

                    I know all this, I graduated from the Aerospace Department of the Moscow Aviation Institute, so I even found those people who personally knew Korolev (though mostly in person, they were very young engineers then, after all). Did you know that it was not driven back to Stalin's time? That he was rushed not by Stalin’s, but by Khrushchev’s eagles, because of which he launched his illness? I also know a lot of things.
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                    And is it worth mentioning once again how burry helped the German General Staff to remove RI from the WWII? How did they generously finance it, allocate and help prepare specialists, help cross the line of the eastern front in a sealed train car? Lenin is an ally of Kaiser Germany. He turned the RSFSR into their satellite, minion, henchman. Remind about fraternities, the Brest Peace, the supply of raw materials and materials still warring with the Entente of Germany, the return of the fertile territories of Belarus and Ukraine to it?

                    Oooh ... Let's trump, huh? Lenin NEVER turned Soviet Russia into a satellite of Germany. This was done, for example, by Ataman Krasnov (a staunch anti-Soviet adviser) - in the Kuban, Skoropadsky comrades - in the actual breakaway Ukraine. Strange, neither one nor the other party nickname "Lenin" was used. But what about the Brest-Litovsk peace treaty (such as the betrayal of its allies in the Entente?), About which the same Lenin said that he would soon become a useless piece of paper (and he was right)? By the way, about the warring Entente. Even in the time of the Republic of Ingushetia, the British and French were SO entrenched in the north of Russia that they intervened in the blink of an eye, because although they did not fight with the Republic of Ingushetia, there were enough parts of the English there, especially in the Murmansk region (then, if I am not mistaken, Nikolaev in Murman) and Arkhangelsk.
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                      1). Yes, no, the USSR is absolutely ambivalent to me - I live here and now, and not in a romantically embellished past. I am neither warm nor cold from his achievements. However, the lie that everything in him was absolutely good I will not tolerate.
                      2). I remember in the 91st Communist Party of the Bolsheviks so struck down by the realization that they could be thrown to the sidelines of history that they had already organized the Emergency Committee and tried to drive tanks around the people. So everyone is good here - not just the bourgeois. No one will simply allow to give the reins of government to some crooks just because these crooks pour mud on the government and the state, and extol themselves.
                      3). After Andropov, the Soviets had to make democratic handouts in the form of Perestroika. So here everything is good.
                      4). It turns out funny: it means that the Entente countries have taken over Germany, overlaid it with reparations - but they did not recognize it! And here it means that after some time the RSFSR was the first to recognize it, and after that the country became legal in the eyes of the world community. Question: how then did the Entente plan to receive reparations from an unrecognized (in fact - non-existent) state?
                      5). And what is the use of this struggle between Stalin and Trotsky if, thanks to a successful "start" in the form of this very propaganda of the "world revolution" and "death to the bourgeois", as well as about 650000 executed by the West, they did not have any confidence in the USSR and thought that there was nothing good you don’t have to wait from him? That's really - as you call a ship, it will sail!
                      Well, about Trotsky - I can bring you to one very sophisticated person here. You obviously have something to argue with him laughing
                      6). Food vouchers were introduced every time there was a threat of hunger - and this is in the country of the most advanced social system, completely devoid of any drawbacks of the countries of the decaying West (by the way - and you don’t know, but it will soon rot laughing ) The last time it was in the late 80s to the beginning of the 90s - my relatives stood in queues and changed coupons with my neighbors, and asked for work from me to catch at least something. For the state, about crowds of fanatics here, they sing laudatory verses that it was almost like Atlantis - this is a shame! Shame on starving your citizens as if war is on!
                      7). Beria that he personally designed and constructed rockets? Indeed, the reaper, the blacksmith, and the dude are playing the dude - well done! laughing
                      Filling up question: if you, as a graduate of the Moscow Aviation Institute, are entrusted with a multi-million dollar project, and after some time you don’t achieve the desired result, will you agree that you will be defamated everywhere as a bribe taker, a corrupt man, a sawmill and a hauler?
                      Here's one more thing:
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                      “Please be kind enough to explain what a“ wrecking calculation ”is? (“ In 1937, when developing a side compartment of a torpedo (winged), I made a wrecking calculation, as a result of which the research work on creating a torpedo was disrupted ”) Who determined that the calculation was wrecking? Chess player 3 did I find errors with the Grandmaster? When developing an engine for a helicopter in the late 80s, I personally performed four calculations of different compressor layouts. It turns out that I was a "pest" - three of the four calculations went "to the basket." How much did it cost (machine Computer) Name of these three discarded calculations! And sometimes they refuse the layout after tests at the stand. Do you know how much it costs to assemble a single copy of a theater?

                      If you want to completely eliminate the desire to create something new, announce to the designer that if he makes a mistake, he will go to jail. What if he does not invest in the budget, he will go to jail. If he does not invest in the time limit, he will go to jail.

                      First, that the director answered the question about cost overruns.
                      He would say that we are talking about a fundamentally new technology, humanity has no such experience. Who could have suggested that the precession of two-stage gyroscopes depends on the turbulence of the incoming air flow? I had to make three different in design device to compensate for turbulence. Tests of this device were carried out at the I14VT flying laboratory - 11 flights of 26 hours - naturally, additional time and additional costs. The results of the study are already interested in TsAGI and in the enterprise V-1107 to create a new autopilot. Another problem is cavitation in the lines for supplying fuel components to the engine, which, as it turned out, occurs only at a height when air saturated with moisture begins to flow into the turbopump unit. On the ground stands this phenomenon never occurred, for research it was necessary to carry out another 9 flights of the flying laboratory.
                      And so on .... You are well aware that an experienced engineer will always be able to explain the reasons for the failure to meet deadlines and cost overruns, so much so that the reader will cry ...
                      But the fact is that all these explanations are like dead poultices. Cost overruns, deadlines - this is an REASON, not a REASON. The famous Russian proverb says: If there was a person, we’ll find an article. "
                      Vladimir Smolovich
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                      8). In the camps Korolev sat precisely under Stalin. Under Khrushchev, he was already rehabilitated and did his job for the good of the Fatherland.
                      9). T.N. intervention is a pearl from SOVIET history books. So, the Entente expeditionary forces entered our country in order to prevent the Bolsheviks from getting into the military equipment that the Entente had supplied to the Republic of Ingushetia in WWI and which still remained in warehouses. In Murmansk and Arkhangelsk, as in port cities, one of these warehouses was located.
                      10). The Brest-Litovsk peace treaty is a betrayal, this is what the Germans hoped for and for which reason they sent burry to our country. And do not try to dispute that Lenin was not an agent of Austria-Hungary and Germany - he and his party received substantial money from them. The fact that he called this treaty a useless piece of paper speaks only of his treachery and that he became on his own mind after helping Germany to get RI out of the war.
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                        1). Yes, no, the USSR is absolutely ambivalent to me - I live here and now, and not in a romantically embellished past. I am neither warm nor cold from his achievements. However, the lie that everything in him was absolutely good I will not tolerate.

                        It’s as if I’m not living in that time either, but now. Only here is a comparison of the life that I see now and that life that my parents talked about, books were written, films made - DAAALECO is not in favor of the present.
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                        ) I remember in the 91st Communist Party of the Bolsheviks so struck down by the realization that they could be thrown to the sidelines of history that they had already organized the Emergency Committee and tried to drive tanks around the people. So everyone is good here - not just the bourgeois. No one will simply allow to give the reins of government to some crooks just because these crooks pour mud on the government and the state, and extol themselves.

                        Maybe so. But they, it must be said, acted AGAINST who carried out the coup of Eltsin and Co. Already these creatures heaped up ... but to whom I explain ??? You know it better than me.
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                        3). After Andropov, the Soviets had to make democratic handouts in the form of Perestroika. So here everything is good.

                        Well here xs, you need to pull up your knowledge.
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                        4). It turns out funny: it means that the Entente countries have taken over Germany, overlaid it with reparations - but they did not recognize it! And here it means that after some time the RSFSR was the first to recognize it, and after that the country became legal in the eyes of the world community. Question: how then did the Entente plan to receive reparations from an unrecognized (in fact - non-existent) state?

                        And the truth is funny. And the fact that Weimar Germany, in fact, did not have diplomatic relations was even funnier. Answer: I put it wrong. VG was recognized, but was in diplomatic isolation. That's better?
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                        5). And what is the use of this struggle between Stalin and Trotsky if, thanks to a successful "start" in the form of this very propaganda of the "world revolution" and "death to the bourgeois", as well as about 650000 executed by the West, they did not have any confidence in the USSR and thought that there was nothing good you don’t have to wait from him? That's really - as you call a ship, it will sail!

                        And then the point in this struggle is that this same propaganda was curtailed, albeit a bit late. And what kind of Western countries did not trust the USSR? Poland? For centuries, it has licked its “original” (to Smolensk) territories. Romania? Good too. Who dreamed about Greater Romania from Transylvania to Odessa? Further west. Denmark was blue-violet. Sweden, Norway - too (although the norgs after WWII had a common border after all, but there was no such propaganda anymore). Czechoslovakia ponap ... dila Russian gold, so I was afraid that they would demand back. Austria did not care, its problems were enough. Yugoslavia was also head over heels for problems, some Croats were worth it. Bulgaria trusted the USSR less than its neighbors in the Balkans? Well, that is unlikely. Greece is the same. We have already talked about Germany. Italy, as a monarchist and later fascist state, did not really trust. Like the UK and France, by the way. Speaking of Entente countries. For centuries, the WB has been spoiling a potential rival for European influence (potentially - and global). France (and the WB too, and Germany) lost a lot of things as a result of nationalization. What did you forget there? Iberian Peninsula. There was fun. So propaganda was definitely not the only reason, do not put a shadow on the wattle fence.
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                        Food vouchers were introduced every time there was a threat of hunger - and this is in the country of the most advanced social system, completely devoid of any drawbacks of the countries of the decaying West (by the way - and you don’t know, it will soon decay). The last time it was in the late 80s to the beginning of the 90s - my relatives stood in queues and changed coupons with my neighbors, and asked for work from me to catch at least something. For the state, about crowds of fanatics here, they sing laudatory verses that it was almost like Atlantis - this is a shame! Shame on starving your citizens as if war is on!

                        Soooo ... Explain about the artificial deficit created by the greedy party elite, behind which the KGB was no longer under surveillance for over a decade? I’m not enough here, you should go to Samsonov with this ...
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                        7). Beria that he personally designed and constructed rockets? Indeed, the reaper, the blacksmith, and the dude are playing the dude - well done!
                        Filling up question: if you, as a graduate of the Moscow Aviation Institute, are entrusted with a multi-million dollar project, and after some time you don’t achieve the desired result, will you agree that you will be defamated everywhere as a bribe taker, a corrupt man, a sawmill and a hauler?

                        No, Beria did not construct it himself, of course. Once again - he created the SYSTEM! Which continued, and ten years after his death, to work almost without squeaks. True, then what began at the climax began: the dance of St. Witt.
                        On the question of backfill - yes! I agree! If they give me financing, recruiting and designing and do not require kickbacks, and at the same time I fail the project - YES! Though the shooting!
                        According to the passage. Wrecking calculation and "waste of money" (read - there is a lot of money, but there is no way out) - two different things. And Koroleva, who was discussed, was imprisoned for the latter. Further. Then it was either long or impossible to calculate with the necessary accuracy, why full-scale tests were so important (so what is it, even now, with the fierce development of computer technology, it is simply impossible to model everything). Therefore, several calculations, and dozens of field tests.
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                        8). In the camps Korolev sat precisely under Stalin. Under Khrushchev, he was already rehabilitated and did his job for the good of the Fatherland.

                        Korolev left the camp even under Stalin. Under him, he again received his design bureau, trophy developments and engineers, and the go-ahead for research and testing. And under Khrushchev, they drove him like a horse on a plowed land.
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                        9). T.N. intervention is a pearl from SOVIET history books. So, the Entente expeditionary forces entered our country in order to prevent the Bolsheviks from getting into the military equipment that the Entente had supplied to the Republic of Ingushetia in WWI and which still remained in warehouses. In Murmansk and Arkhangelsk, as in port cities, one of these warehouses was located.

                        Wow! Pearl, then. Property protection means. Well guarded, so that the whites in those areas had tanks, aircraft, war gases, artillery, small arms and Entente uniforms in the end! And, yes, the soldiers of the same Entente, who fought against the Bolsheviks. Nah, no intervention! Then the question is: what military assets of Japan and the USA were in Vladivostok and the Far East in general? What military equipment of France and Germany was in the south of Russia? Belochekh is a separate song. Nonsense!
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                        10). The Brest-Litovsk peace treaty is a betrayal, this is what the Germans hoped for and for which reason they sent burry to our country. And do not try to dispute that Lenin was not an agent of Austria-Hungary and Germany - he and his party received substantial money from them. The fact that he called this treaty a useless piece of paper speaks only of his treachery and that he became on his own mind after helping Germany to get RI out of the war.

                        The Brest-Litovsk peace was a consequence of the policy not only of the RSFSR, but also of the Russian Republic and the Entente countries. Already at the time of March 1917, the front crawled, and in May 1917, with the release of the "Declaration of the Rights of a Soldier" (signed, by the way, by Kerensky), the front began to fall apart at an ever-accelerating pace. The reason is the democratization of the army. Democratization itself was needed, yes, but not in such a jerk. Bottom line: by the summer of the 17th (and this is far from the "damned Bolsheviks"), the army was collapsed, and almost completely. There was no discipline, no fighting spirit. What war is to the end in such conditions ???
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                    And let's draw such an interesting analogy, we recently like to talk about the fact that in the 90s politicians studied in the West in all kinds of schools for the development of democracy and other lobud. How does this differ from the fact that your beloved founding fathers of the Soviet state were trained in a Marxist environment abroad?

                    Come on. Only we will not compare the process, but the results. Say for 20 years. 1917-1937 and 1991-2011. 1917 - 1937. In the WWII and the Civil War, a total of 12 to 14 million people died (from all sides of the civil war, including those who died from terror and hunger). With all this, housing and infrastructure were largely restored after the World War and the devastating civil war throughout Russia, more than 5000 (!) Factories were built (yes, many of them were for the same America in which they were bought, outdated - after the tsarist there were no such authorities and civil war!), the GOELRO plan was implemented (which the tsarist government could not realize), large-scale projects such as the Dnieper hydroelectric station, STZ, KhTZ were built. The Moscow subway, by the way, began to be built at the same time, in 1934 the first branch was commissioned, and even then it became the most beautiful underground in the world. A practically ruined country with destroyed (already weak) production became the fourth economy of the world, returning many territories lost after the 1917 revolutions. Yes, the most democratic (!!!) Constitution of 1936 was adopted at that time in the world.
                    1991 - 2011. About a quarter of the country's territory was lost (so far irrevocably), up to 15 million people died from various causes (moreover, in both Chechen unlike the WWII and, especially, the Civil War, losses were not approaching a million). Tens of thousands of factories across the country closed, unemployment appeared (which by the end of the 30s did not remain in the USSR, forgot to write above). The 1993 Constitution was written by thieves for thieves. The stratification of society, both property and legal, is growing rapidly. real incomes of the population are declining, the number of millionaires and billionaires is growing every year. The contrast is clear, right? Continue?
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                    And what about the fact that the USSR recognized the Weimar Republic first? The Soviet Union, as it was a satellite of Germany, remained singing along - just as a faithful servant remains faithful to his wounded master.

                    Nude Nude. What kind of sovereign declares war on his faithful vassal? Illogical. In the 30s, the Third Reich simply agreed to more acceptable conditions.
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                    World War II? Remember how the countries of the West helped Hitler in order to avoid the advancement of socialism to the west — socialism was worse for them than nationalism! Remember the section of Czechoslovakia, Poland. For them, Germany was a kind of bodyguard and sanitary cordon on the way of the USSR! And remember how the USSR supported Germany in the hope that it would begin to harm the West! At that time, all these crazy people on both sides simply wanted to push Hitler against each other for the sake of harming the other side! And how did it come about?

                    The flesh went. Yes, for the masters of the world, the USSR was much more dangerous than Hitler, because they gave him Czechoslovakia (which had previously been guaranteed independence), then - its ally, Poland (this has gone too far, flirting with both the Allies and the Reich). Who in 1938 was ready to help Czechoslovakia just immediately? THE USSR. And not just a pat on the shoulder. Troops were prepared, a plan was drawn up. It only remained to get to the emergency, and neither Poland nor Romania was given a corridor. What happened - we saw further. USSR supported Germany in the hope of harming the West? Seriously??? Despite the fact that Hitler immediately set himself up as an anti-Soviet and declared that he was aiming for the East? Pff, do not tell me. It’s just that the USSR and Germany agreed on mutually beneficial terms faster than both of these parties with the Allies. Both the USSR and the Reich understood that the war was simply pushed aside, but they got time (both), resources (one) and technology (others) to strengthen and work on the mistakes. Come out? And so it turned out that those who pushed Hitler by appeasement to the East themselves fell under his rink, and not so much resistance.
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                    Remember how the United States was completely not going to join WWII - they say this does not concern them. Remember how they said: "if the Soviets win, then we will support the Nazis, if the Nazis win, we will support the Soviets.". Remember how they said during WWII that after that they would have to fight the USSR anyway! Remember the year 1946, when the paths of the former Allies - involuntarily allied, gathered on the principle of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" for the time of digging the enemy, against which no one would stand alone! They allied with the USSR right up to the moment when it was no longer needed - and the Cold War immediately began!

                    Uh ... I don’t understand this passage, I confess. It was, everything that they wrote about was. So what? The USA has never been a bosom friend of the USSR. The situation simply worsened when the States that eclipsed Britain claimed world leadership, and the Union prevented them from achieving this. So the confrontation of countries, blocs and systems began, ending with the treacherous collapse of a great country, which some hated, yes, they were afraid, no doubt, but respected - for a strong position and willingness to defend their interests by any means.
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                      1). You write as if the fact that in two Chechen campaigns fewer people died than in WWII and civilian-as if it is bad. And as if you credit the Bolsheviks with the fact that they killed more people in the WWII and the citizen - is that such a subtle trolling? laughing
                      2). What is new housing? The majority of the population (80%) consisted of villagers - and those who lived in their houses before Khrushchev (it’s good that they lived in houses - and they could have been in dugouts) - until they started promoting the idea of ​​their panel high-rise buildings
                      3). I would see how they would build modern, high-tech automated plants at that time - I would see how many of them they could build. Nowadays, an enterprise can be opened in which almost anyone can do something with the help of crowbar, sledgehammer, mat and blue electrical tape. What an example - many tire changers all over the country laughing
                      4). It is not necessary to represent RI as a kingdom of the Stone Age - there were automobile, chemical plants, metallurgical plants, textile production, and power plants. And much more.
                      5). History does not tolerate a subjunctive mood, but I do not think that if the Menshevik essers (social democrats) remained in power, the country would have remained in your mythical stone age, created in the minds of immature people by Soviet propaganda in order to extol Soviet power light compared to its predecessor. What was done by GOELRO was planned long before the start of the WWII.
                      6). Yes, yes, it returned the lost territories through military intervention (sorry, "the establishment of Soviet power").
                      7). But-but-but-but: Russia is not the USSR! The USSR is a union of republics in which Russia was the administrative center. Now try to tell some native of Uzbekistan or Tajikistan that their homeland is Russia! At best, they will decide that you are simple. Therefore, it is not necessary to consider the separation of the Union republics as a territorial loss of the Russian Federation.
                      8). In the USSR, if for some reason you were unemployed for some time, then you became a criminal. The set of articles is more than wide. The same Choi was forced to work as a fireman if only he was not brought to justice. And what if a person cannot find a job for a long time? How does he become worse as a person in relation to other people?
                      At this time, you can not work - no one forces you to do what you do not want to do. You are also responsible for your financial situation. How they worked - they earned so much. As we studied, made the necessary acquaintances and found a job, we built our life. Each person has a PERSONAL responsibility for their well-being, life and happiness - and no one from your childhood is absolutely obliged to provide a luxurious life. So the oligarchs that you hate started under the same conditions as you — no one would flash knowledge and skills into DNA or directly into the brain.
                      9). The plants were closed because their useless products were completely useless to anyone. Remember our conversation about the domestic auto industry - and discover the truth.
                      10). Do not be too lazy to write specifically what "thieves" is in the 1993 constitution. Does it describe the details of the organization of thieves' gatherings, "suits", thieves "concepts"? Please do not be too lazy to give me an example of at least one damn word from there!
                      eleven). Well, give me an example of at least the fact that children of different ethnic groups, genders, or ages had different opportunities in education, medicine, and travel in public transport. It would be very interesting for my classmates from Dagestan to listen to this.
                      12). I don’t know. Until the 2000s, the minimum wage was 1500, now about 12 and a half. Under Yeltsin, pensions were so miserable that an electron microscope was needed to discern them. Yes, and they could not pay for several months - as well as salaries. Now let only the employer try not to pay the salary - they will immediately open a criminal case! You just fiddled, don’t remember how 30 years ago it was bad, but you’re just used to the current state of affairs and you got fed up with it.
                      thirteen). Absurd. Equality is unattainable IN PRINCIPLE - there has always been, is and will be the one who has something that the other does not have, or who has but in large numbers. So it was, it is and it will be so. This is the law of the universe. It manifests itself even in the planets - for there are those who are larger in size than others, and some more in gravity. And there can be no equality here. Who worked how, who earned how, who managed money, property and life - the accumulated belongings are commensurate with the way of life. Your leveling is nothing more than a Procrustean bed.
                      14). What's wrong with a millionaire or billionaire? Maybe he as a person is personally better than you! Here you have a box of pencils, and I have a bicycle, the prefix "dandy" and a puppy in addition - now I'm not your friend anymore? crying
                      15). Regarding "what overlord declares war on his faithful vassal" - and what, doesn’t it happen in life how to deal with your small bipod?
                      sixteen). Yes, he wanted to go to Czechoslovakia - he was more interested in the partition of Poland and the return of the Baltic states with Finland. Those. all those territories of the "former empire." He needed a legal basis for redrawing the borders in Europe, to identify the strongest player on this board - and put him on him as his ally. And Czechoslovakia was the most suitable occasion for this. Stalin saw that Hitler was doing what he needed - and he made his choice. As he said a year later: "Hitler, without realizing it and not wanting it, upsets, undermines the capitalist system ... We can maneuver, push one side against the other in order to better tear oneself apart."
                      17). Why, instead of winning time to prepare for war, was it impossible to immediately join the anti-Hitler coalition? Since the 38th year, the Allies believed that it was necessary to conduct business with the USSR in this regard. And all because Stalin tried to squeeze more out of the Allies than they suggested!
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                        1). You write as if the fact that in two Chechen campaigns fewer people died than in WWII and civilian-as if it is bad. And as if you credit the Bolsheviks with the fact that they killed more people in the WWII and the citizen - is that such a subtle trolling?

                        Nah, you understood how you wanted to understand. Here in the 90s, about 14 million "darahi rasiyan" died WITHOUT WAR! Hunger, alcohol, drug trafficking, rampant banditry, mafia showdowns. With the actual inaction of the police, and even the protection of all of the above by it.
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                        2). What is new housing? The majority of the population (80%) consisted of villagers - and those who lived in their houses before Khrushchev (it’s good that they lived in houses - and they could have been in dugouts) - until they started promoting the idea of ​​their panel high-rise buildings

                        Ahem. This is where I wrote about the new houses of the villagers? I talked about housing in general. Well, since they themselves started ... At the end of the WWII, the front reached Belarus. What, both sides, in principle, did not beat the villagers in a burst of nobility? And the Civil War was raging not only in rural areas. What, houses in the villages themselves restored? But yes, in the vast majority of their community. And in the cities it was necessary to restore a lot, at home - absolutely not everything, still - water supply, sewage, roads, tram tracks (in large cities) ...
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                        3). I would see how they would build modern, high-tech automated plants at that time - I would see how many of them they could build. Nowadays, an enterprise can be opened in which almost anyone can do something with the help of crowbar, sledgehammer, mat and blue electrical tape. What an example - many tire changers all over the country

                        Gee! And how can one make bearings of at least decent accuracy with the help of "crowbar, sledgehammer, mat and blue electrical tape"? Or cameras? Machine tools? But this is only a little of what factories built in the first five-year periods produced. By the way, we have practically no production of the same bearings. And yes, at that time the production plant was quite modern, high-tech. unless automated. and nothing, they built quickly, produced quality products ...
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                        5). History does not tolerate a subjunctive mood, but I do not think that if the Menshevik essers (social democrats) remained in power, the country would have remained in your mythical stone age, created in the minds of immature people by Soviet propaganda in order to extol Soviet power light compared to its predecessor. What was done by GOELRO was planned long before the start of the WWII.

                        It is precisely that history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. About GOELRO - I know, I do not even argue. Only Krzhizhanovsky began to break through it only in 1916. And compared with even the industry of the USSR, after the first five-year plan, the industry of the Russian Empire is rolling back to the early Renaissance (this is the answer to paragraph 4).
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                        6). Yes, yes, it returned the lost territories through military intervention (sorry, "the establishment of Soviet power").

                        And what is wrong? How did the Russian kingdom return Smolensk? War (sorry, armed diplomacy). Or the Russian Empire is the same Right-Bank Ukraine? Oh, isn’t it when Rzhech Pospolita was divided? .. And the Russian Federation also returned Crimea by "occupation" (never a Ukrainian, but if you ask them, that’s exactly what they say is "occupation").
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                        7). But-but-but-but: Russia is not the USSR! The USSR is a union of republics in which Russia was the administrative center. Now try to tell some native of Uzbekistan or Tajikistan that their homeland is Russia! At best, they will decide that you are simple. Therefore, it is not necessary to consider the separation of the Union republics as a territorial loss of the Russian Federation.

                        The USSR was a confederation, in which all the juices were drawn from one state for the sake of others, and the rest only did what they ate. Someone more, someone less. Khhhh! And you ask how many of the same Uzbeks or Tajiks have children - natives of Russia? A considerable figure will be. By the way, are Russians born in Uzbekistan or Tajikistan Tajiks or Russians? Or Germans born in Kazakhstan - Kazakhs or Germans?
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                        In the USSR, if for some reason you were unemployed for some time, then you became a criminal. The set of articles is more than wide. The same Choi was forced to work as a fireman if only he was not brought to justice. And what if a person cannot find a job for a long time? How does he become worse as a person in relation to other people?

                        Dependency does nothing good. First of all, personalities. And who was there when in the USSR he could not find a job, if there were enough of it on collective farms, there were plants to the graduates of vocational schools, and graduates of universities were generally distributed among enterprises?
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                        At this time, you can not work - no one forces you to do what you do not want to do. You are also responsible for your financial situation. How they worked - they earned so much. As we studied, made the necessary acquaintances and found a job, we built our life. Each person has a PERSONAL responsibility for their well-being, life and happiness - and no one from your childhood is absolutely obliged to provide a luxurious life. So the oligarchs that you hate started under the same conditions as you — no one would flash knowledge and skills into DNA or directly into the brain.

                        Ohohoho ... Only this quote is for a separate big comment, so I will only write that I fundamentally disagree.
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                        10). Do not be too lazy to write specifically what "thieves" is in the 1993 constitution. Does it describe the details of the organization of thieves' gatherings, "suits", thieves "concepts"? Please do not be too lazy to give me an example of at least one damn word from there!

                        What are these thieves in an official document ??? They are written in an excellent legal language so that no one (including the lawyers themselves) will understand what is written.
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                        By the way, we have practically no production of the same bearings.

                        Yah?

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                        https://newpodshipnik.ru/importnie-podshipniki/skolko-v-sssr-bylo-podshipnikovyh-zavodov
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                        In the Soviet Union, there were no more than 40 factories producing bearings. This number also includes plants that carried out repairs and also manufactured rolling elements. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the number of orders decreased significantly, the factories were forced to survive on their own and whoever could. At that time, the Inter-republican concern Podshipnik conducted research, as a result of which it was possible to establish: twenty-one plants continued to function, five of which were part of the YPC and 3 plants had insignificant speed, an incomplete production cycle.
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                        How many bearing factories were in the USSR and what remains in REMAIN today? Note the following:
                        Srednevolzhsky bearing - Samara.
                        Kursk Bearing Company - Kursk.
                        VNIPPP - Moscow.
                        Shumikhinsky Bearing Needle Roller Plant - Shumikhi, Kurgan Region.
                        OK-Loza - Moscow region, Sergiev Posad.
                        Penza bearing - Penza.
                        The presented manufactories concentrated their production on the territory of Russia, the remaining five manufacturers were representative offices of Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan.

                        If we talk about enterprises with an incomplete cycle, then this should be noted:
                        SPZ-4 - Samara. They produced single row deep groove ball bearings, whose diameter did not exceed 60 mm.
                        SKF Tver. He was engaged in the production of railway bearings.
                        GPZ - Vologda. We were engaged in the production of ball radial and angular contact bearings, the diameter of which did not exceed 60 mm.

                        According to your list: Workers - 13 out of 41 under the "rotten Soviet power". Of 13 2 micro (how is it? On the knee in the garage?) And 3 small enterprises. Cool.
                        By the way. I don’t like Zen, you rarely find anything worthwhile in this garbage dump. But this time it was lucky:
                        https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5ae30ebbbce67e5cd9f4c64a/obzor-rynka-podshipnikov-kacheniia-v-rossii-nabliudaiutsia-nastorajivaiuscie-tendencii-5cf7c21b85b5e500afe2c713
                        Well, since you piled a picture in another comment, I will insert the picture in response:
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                        According to the list you provided: Workers - 13 out of 41 under "rotten Soviet power"

                        1. Why do you call the Soviet government "rotten"?
                        2. Why are you confusing the Russian Federation with the USSR (+ ATS still partly) because of the need for the same bearings?

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                        2 micro (how is it? On the knee in the garage?)

                        Well, not quite...


                        166 employees - yes, such a small garage wink

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                        lucky this time

                        Well, and from there it follows that 35% of the bearings in the country are of domestic production. This is bad?

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                        you in another comment piled a picture of me

                        Young man, I do not sculpt pictures, but supply the opponent with material for reflection laughing
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                        1. Why do you call the Soviet government "rotten"?

                        I really didn’t think that your sarcasm is bad. It seems, constantly with him to "you" ...
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                        2. Why are you confusing the Russian Federation with the USSR (+ ATS still partly) because of the need for the same bearings?

                        What, in the ATS countries there was no production of bearings? Especially in the GDR and Czechoslovakia? Yeah, how ... This time. Two. What needs ORDER fell? Nevermind, about two-thirds of the bearings are purchased. And when we quarrel with China (and at such a pace in the next half century it will demand the Far Eastern territories), who will supply these two-thirds to us? Or will we add greasy skins instead of them? So this is to our southwestern neighbors.
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                        Well, and from there it follows that 35% of the bearings in the country are of domestic production. This is bad?

                        Only 35 percent of the domestic - yes, bad. For a little.
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                        Young man, I do not sculpt pictures, but supply the opponent with material for reflection

                        I’m really a lover, but I’m used to taking material in text format, pictures are for people who are not burdened with intelligence (oh, how I was showing off). However, thanks for the material.
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                        What, in the ATS countries there was no production of bearings? Especially in the GDR and Czechoslovakia? Yeah, how ... This time. Two. What needs ORDER fell? Nevermind, two-thirds of the bearings are purchased

                        In this part, a solid "blah blah", except for 1/3 of its bearings, which I have already mentioned. The text is nothing, that is.

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                        And when we quarrel with China (and at such a pace in the next half century it will demand the Far Eastern territories), who will supply these two-thirds to us?

                        Clip thinking, sorry. The output is nonsense, "no other has been given."

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                        Only 35 percent of the domestic - yes, bad. For little

                        For you? Or for the country as a whole? wink

                        In the first - I unconditionally believe, in the second - I do not believe in yours. What is your evidence?

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                        pictures - for people not burdened with intelligence

                        Well, yes ... and the brakes were invented by cowards laughing

                        The graphics are useful, still appreciate ... over time yes
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                        Nda, that we kick on the owl, that the owl on the stump ... I'm sorry, this is not treated. We will not understand each other. All to you! ..
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                        kick on the owl

                        No need to kick the owl stop

                        Pulling it, however, is also not necessary ... already scrub away from the owl! am

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                        We will not understand each other

                        From what? I understand you very well - I have a younger child a little older than you laughing

                        Alright, over.
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              Yes, spruce-fallen, but now it’s inserted?
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              Yes, spruce-fallen, but now it’s inserted?

              Do not forget to cock a tick ... a beautiful picture, but - nothing, sorry request
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              Do not forget to cock a tick ... a beautiful picture, but - nothing, sorry

              A tick means to cock, and what to lower? Button "Download" or "Send comment"?
              Nothing about? What, digits are inaudible written? So there is a schedule, even two. On the left is production. Quite revealing, isn't it?
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              Download button

              This is the first.

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              "Submit Comment"

              And this later.

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              Quite revealing, isn't it?

              Nope. There are a lot of questions ... but hunting, laziness to butt.

              By the way, production (not only bearings - everything in general) then rained for two main reasons:

              1. Opening borders and “import substitution vice versa” and
              2. The gap in economic relations with the collapse of the Union.

              You then learned to crawl, and I already worked, after the institute and the army, in Kaliningrad, near Moscow, at one of the enterprises of obschemash ... and I watched all this with my eyes. Something like that request
  • CT-55_11-9009 17 March 2020 17: 31 New
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    Part two.
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    eleven). Well, give me an example of at least the fact that children of different ethnic groups, genders, or ages had different opportunities in education, medicine, and travel in public transport. It would be very interesting for my classmates from Dagestan to listen to this.

    And you invite them to Kazan. I promise a lot of things about the Tatars. Tatar nationalism is generally one of the strongest in Russia.
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    12). I don’t know. Until the 2000s, the minimum wage was 1500, now about 12 and a half. Under Yeltsin, pensions were so miserable that an electron microscope was needed to discern them. Yes, and they could not pay for several months - as well as salaries. Now let only the employer try not to pay the salary - they will immediately open a criminal case! You just fiddled, don’t remember how 30 years ago it was bad, but you’re just used to the current state of affairs and you got fed up with it.

    The first one. When they shot the White House from tanks, I couldn’t even speak, I just went to the diapers and yelled “yeah, yeah,” so I know what happened 30 years ago only from the stories of relatives and friends, books and films. Normal memory went from about 1997-1998.
    What then at the minimum wage could only survive, what now. Compare not only the growth of the minimum wage and salaries, but also the prices - maybe you will learn something new. Retired too - only you can survive. What then what now.
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    thirteen). Absurd. Equality is unattainable IN PRINCIPLE - there has always been, is and will be the one who has something that the other does not have, or who has but in large numbers. So it was, it is and it will be so. This is the law of the universe. It manifests itself even in the planets - for there are those who are larger in size than others, and some more in gravity. And there can be no equality here. Who worked how, who earned how, who managed money, property and life - the accumulated belongings are commensurate with the way of life. Your leveling is nothing more than a Procrustean bed.

    Yes, absolute equality is utopia. But here it is possible to REDUCE THE SCATTER IN INEQUALITY. And it is necessary! Most of the claims are precisely to the extent of inequality!
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    14). What's wrong with a millionaire or billionaire? Maybe he as a person is personally better than you! Here you have a box of pencils, and I have a bicycle, the prefix "dandy" and a puppy in addition - now I'm not your friend anymore?

    Personally, the best people “upstairs” break through extremely rarely. And at the same time a lot of money is extracted by units at all. Modern Russian millionaires and even more so billionaires are never “a person who is personally better” than many of those who are humped for 10-15 thousand a month. If you dig their story - then a good criminal case will be typed by almost everyone.
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    15). Regarding "what overlord declares war on his faithful vassal" - and what, doesn’t it happen in life how to deal with your small bipod?

    Pahan with the "sixes" - quite. Only not the state.
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    sixteen). Yes, he wanted to go to Czechoslovakia - he was more interested in the partition of Poland and the return of the Baltic states with Finland. Those. all those territories of the "former empire." He needed a legal basis for redrawing the borders in Europe, to identify the strongest player on this board - and put him on him as his ally. And Czechoslovakia was the most suitable occasion for this. Stalin saw that Hitler was doing what he needed - and he made his choice. As he said a year later: "Hitler, without realizing it and not wanting it, upsets, undermines the capitalist system ... We can maneuver, push one side against the other in order to better tear oneself apart."

    Did he want to go to Czechoslovakia? SERIOUSLY??? The USSR was one of the guarantors of the independence of Czechoslovakia, and the only one ready to help. But Benesh was afraid, afraid of the strengthening of the Communists and, accordingly, for his place in the presidential chair. And he refused. Then it was as it was. No. A legal reason for redrawing the borders was received on August 23, 1939, when the Third Reich and the USSR won a couple of years of peace with each other and divided the spheres of influence (moreover, the Union returned territories lost in the revolution: in Poland - through the Curzon line, to which Poland in 1921 laid with parting, the balts were part of Russia for a long time and fell off in 1918, Romania quietly hammered Bessarabia, and Finland - the territory of Russia adjacent to its border, for example, Pechenga).
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    17). Why, instead of winning time to prepare for war, was it impossible to immediately join the anti-Hitler coalition? Since the 38th year, the Allies believed that it was necessary to conduct business with the USSR in this regard. And all because Stalin tried to squeeze more out of the Allies than they suggested!

    LYING. Direct and impudent. Since the partition of Czechoslovakia, it was the Soviet Union that proposed to conclude a pact of mutual assistance with France and England. And they cringed and dragged on time, and if France agreed to the terms of the Union, as was impressed by the concreteness of the proposals and plans, then England openly pulled the rubber, conducting secret negotiations with Hitler. Poland, which was also offered the same thing, generally reared up. And by the summer of the 39th, seeing that things were not going on with the Entente, they replaced the people's commissar from Litvinenko (real name is Wallach) to Molotov (Scriabin) and quickly (in just a couple of months) concluded a non-aggression pact. Albeit fragile.

    PS Let me ask you a libertarian? If yes - then everything fell into place, then you can stop talking, we still don’t understand each other.
  • Nameless 18 March 2020 01: 09 New
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    I will publish the answers to all your theses in the coming days, when I will have more free time. In the meantime, good night!
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    I will wait. Good night to you too!
  • Nameless 18 March 2020 09: 35 New
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    1). The manifestation of nationalism in a small group of people among relatively small ethnic groups does not give you the right to affirm without a doubt that the violation of human rights and freedoms occurs in the country everywhere - in every house or family. Never judge a majority by its minority.
    2). From that minimum wage in some families in children, their legs gave way to hunger and their head was spinning. Compared to it, the present is heaven and earth. I myself somehow had the chance to live, even if not at 12.5k, but at 13-14k - and I will tell you that you can live on this amount - not on a broad leg, but you can. It’s another matter that don’t give the person how much money - it will still be small for him: his needs are smoothly and imperceptibly adjusted to his level of income.
    3). You forget one simple thing: in rural areas, ZP and pensions of 15K-20K are enough for the eyes - there simply is nothing to spend money on. There are n