Dulles Plan: Historical Reality or Propaganda Games


Something strange is happening with the information space. Understanding that the official press will not publish deliberately false materials from the mere reluctance to spoil the image of the publication and pay serious fines for violating the media law, many propagandists went online.


It is on this site that you can lay out any version of the event without bothering yourself with a search for evidence or a search for truth. Ultimately, everyone has the right to their own opinion. One of the topics that is being actively promoted today is that the so-called “Dulles Plan” is an invention of the Soviet KGB.

Where did the version about the existence of the “Dulles plan” come from?


Indeed, if you follow historical truth, then today there are several texts of this plan. However, all these texts are written in Russian. There is no English text. Moreover, there is no CIA stamped text. Nobody seems to be lying. Although, when it comes to the secret protocols of the Soviet-German non-aggression pact, the lack of text does not bother anyone.

Talk about the "plan" today I will not. Just because I do not think it is possible that Allen Dulles wrote such a plan on his own. Alas, the image of Dulles created by Julian Semenov as a smart and treacherous world-class scout, in my opinion, was invented for the “plot”. In fact, Allen Dulles is an official of the second echelon of power, who is managing precisely the job of an official.

I have repeatedly read the novel by Anatoly Ivanov, “The Eternal Call,” which many consider the first mention of the “plan”. True, Ivanov did not set out this plan through the lips of a foreigner. It was outlined by the White Guard Lakhnovsky:

“The war will end - everything will somehow settle down, settle down. And we will throw everything that we have, with what we have: all the gold, all the material power to fool and fool people! The human brain, the consciousness of people is capable of change. Having sowed chaos there, we discreetly replace their values ​​with false ones and make them believe in these false values! How do you ask? How?! -
Lakhnovsky, as he spoke, began again, for the umpteenth time, to become excited, to run around the room.
- We will find our like-minded people: our allies and assistants in Russia itself!
- shouting, cried out Lakhnovsky. "

I also know the version that Ivanov is not the first. I read The Demons by Fyodor Dostoevsky. I remember his rather serious reasoning about the man of the future. On the possible moral decay of a Russian person:

“But one or two generations of debauchery is now necessary; debauchery unheard of, vile, when a person turns into an ugly, cowardly, cruel, selfish scum. "

The fact is that the first about the “Dulles plan” was told by the Metropolitan of St. Petersburg and Ladoga John (Snychev) in his article in the newspaper “Soviet Russia” on February 20, 1993:

“By sowing chaos in Russia,” said American General Allen Dulles, head of US political intelligence in Europe, who later became director of the CIA, in 1945, “we will quietly replace their values ​​with fake ones and make them believe in these fake values.”

How? We will find our like-minded people, our assistants and allies in Russia itself. Episode by episode will be played out with a grandiose scale tragedy of the death of the most rebellious people on earth, the final, irreversible fading of their self-consciousness.

From literature and art, for example, we will gradually erase their social essence. Wean artists, we will discourage them from engaging in the image, the study of those processes that occur in the depths of the masses. Literature, theaters, cinema - everything will depict and glorify the most base human feelings.

We will do our best to support and raise the so-called creators, who will plant and hammer into the human mind the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal - in a word, all immorality. ”


So was the plan really or is it a propaganda game?


For some reason, most writers on this subject by the “Dulles Plan” mean the doctrine of NSC 20/1, adopted by the US National Security Council on August 18, 1948. Indeed, there is such a document in the US National Archives. Only Allen Dulles has nothing to do with him.

Alas, the authors of the response to the request of the then US Secretary of Defense James Forrestal was the director of political planning of the State Department George Kennan. At least that is exactly what the work of Thomas Etzold and John Gaddis (Documents on American Politics and Strategy in 1945-1950) says.

Where did the interesting text come from that Metropolitan John quoted in his article? We can also find a fairly simple answer to this question. To do this, just look into the archives of Soviet intelligence. Someone doubt that at the end of the war the USSR was a serious enough opponent of the United States in terms of future confrontation? More precisely, from the point of view of future domination of the world?

In April 1944, a secret meeting of the Council on Foreign Relations took place in the United States, at which the post-war peace system was discussed. That is, after a demonstration of friendly relations with the USSR in Yalta, the Americans began to discuss plans to reduce the influence of the Soviet Union in post-war Europe.

It was at this Council that Allen Dulles made a report, which became the source material for the article of Metropolitan John. The exact text of Dulles’s speech has not yet been published. Yes, and information about the meeting itself was received from the wife of US President Eleanor Roosevelt, which is quite acceptable, given the more than a good attitude of Roosevelt towards the USSR or from the personal secretary of President Loklin Kari.

Why Harry Truman so sharply launched US foreign policy


For many, it remains a mystery why, after the death of President Roosevelt, the United States so sharply switched in relations with the Soviet Union from an alliance policy to confrontation. Indeed, in terms of logic, in the postwar period, the United States had enormous advantages over the USSR.

America could, without military confrontation, without huge expenditures on an arms race, buy up a huge number of countries. Moreover, Stalin already received everything that he considered necessary to receive. Economically, the US surpassed the USSR at times ...

The reason was ... Harry Truman, who became president after the death of Roosevelt. Truman, a man very far from foreign policy. Yes, the post of President of the United States was clearly superior to his abilities. It is enough to bring his answer to the question about who he dreamed of becoming in childhood, asked by journalists. “A taper in a brothel or a politician,” the US president answered. “The truth, in truth, is small.”

For unknown reasons, Truman’s consultants were the young White House lawyer Clark Cliffordi, then Secretary of State for Maritime Affairs, and later Secretary of Defense James Forrestal, whom I mentioned above. Both knew practically nothing about the Soviet Union and advised the new president “from scratch”.

And this is where the obvious connection between Allen Dulles' speech at the April 1944 meeting of the CMO appears. George Kennan did not “reinvent the wheel”, but simply presented his analytical article, published in the spring of 1947, in the New York Times, Sources of Soviet Behavior, as an analytical report.

True, it is worth noting that here it is worth referring to the American journalist Arthur Krok, who established authorship, since the author was not named in the original source.

So was there really a “Dulles plan” - I can’t give a definite answer to this question. Just because I did not hold in my hands more or less reliable evidence of its existence. All the materials that are publicly available today are just links to someone’s opinion.

However, there is the doctrine of NSC20 / 1 and an article by George Kennon in The New York Times. Therefore, I will be based precisely on these sources. I'll start with quotes from Kennon. The first of a newspaper article:

“Communist ideology justifies all the actions taken by the Kremlin. The purpose of the Soviets is a world power, and not a firm commitment to an international classless society, since most leaders of the Soviet Union experience a feeling of insecurity based on historical experience. In this regard, it follows that the object of deterrence should be Soviet expansionism. ”

But this is from the doctrine of NSC20 / 1:

“... We should not feel guilty while working on the destruction of concepts ... that are basic in Russia and are popular in the world. We are talking about the fact that Moscow’s domestic policy actually offers “a promising alternative to the national regimes under which other peoples live.” Consequently, it is necessary at all costs to create a negative image of Russian communism, both outside the USSR and inside. ”

I think this is enough to understand the direction of Kennon’s thought. To understand what his advisers in the foreign policy “poured into the ears” of Truman, an amateur in foreign policy.

There is an answer to another question, which is also not very clear to some readers. What scared the Americans so much that they abandoned plans for an attack on the USSR even with a nuclear weapon? After all, plans for an attack have already been developed and preparations have been quite active. Again quote:

“... referring to the experience of World War II, it should be recognized that the United States will not be able to conduct a military company with Russia on the patterns of Germany or Japan. The fact is that "national tasks during peace and during the war in Russia are significantly different."

If someone does not understand, I will try to "translate" into a more understandable language. Russians can swear among themselves in peacetime. They can criticize the government, scold leaders, but in wartime the psychology of the people is changing. Kennon talks about the famous Soviet slogan, which during the war was the main thing for the whole people. I won’t remember geeks) - “Everything for the front, everything for the Victory!”. Russians, regardless of nationality, are able to mobilize in difficult times.

Doctrine in general should be one of the main subjects for study by American politicians. According to the doctrine, we are not able to sign a compromise peace treaty. Literally in the text like this:

The Russians “will retreat to the most remote Siberian village and finally die, like Hitler, under enemy fire. All of the above indicates that we cannot, as a result of successful military operations in Russia, expect that we will succeed in creating a government that is completely subordinate to our will or that fully expresses our political ideals. ”

Does the doctrine of НСК20 / 1 come to life

I'll start with a few quotes from the text of the doctrine:

“We must encourage by all means at our disposal the destruction of the institutions of federalism in the Soviet Union.”

“... there are a number of significant nuances that should not be overlooked. While the Ukrainians were an important and essential element of the Russian Empire, they did not show any signs of a “nation" capable of successfully fulfilling their duties of independence ...

Ukraine is not a clearly defined ethnic or geographical concept. The Ukrainian population was formed mainly from refugees from Russian and Polish despotism and is difficult to distinguish in the shadow of Russian or Polish nationality.

There is no clear border between Russia and Ukraine. Cities on Ukrainian territory were inhabited mainly by Russians and Jews. The real basis of “Ukrainianism” is a sense of “distinction” of a specific peasant dialect and a slight difference in customs and folklore between regions of the country.

The observed political agitation of Ukrainian nationalists is based on romantically-minded intellectuals who have little idea of ​​responsible government. ”


Draw your own conclusions. The collapse of the USSR and the departure of the Baltic countries caused a domino effect. And this applies not only to the former Union republics, but also to Russia itself. We just miraculously did not fall into this abyss. It seems to me that I’m not afraid to cause “the righteous anger of the people”, which we were just lucky with the leader. It was lucky. And this is not “glorified” for President Putin, this is a simple statement of fact.

And I want to finish the material with another quote. It will be especially interesting to our neighbors from the former fraternal country. I’m not talking about the people who were and still are us, I’m talking about the current government. so, a quote from the doctrine of NSC20 / 1 specifically for the president and government of Ukraine:

“... We cannot remain indifferent to the feelings of the Great Russians themselves. They were the strongest national element of the Russian Empire, and are now such in the Soviet Union. Any long-term US policy should be based on their recognition and their cooperation. “Ukrainian territory is as much part of their national heritage as the Midwest is part of ours.”
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  1. Avior 3 March 2020 18: 23 New
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    The reader should look here too.
    https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/План_Даллеса
    Under the name “Dulles Plan”, Russia also features a selection of extracts from the US National Security Council memorandum 20/1 “Tasks Against Russia” dated August 18, 1948 [7]. This memorandum, being a real American document, has nothing to do with Allen Dulles, and he did not pursue the goals of the moral decay of Soviet society.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 3 March 2020 18: 27 New
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      Wikipedia is an American resource located on the American Internet.

      A person who wants to believe in conspiracy theory is never limited in choosing the reasons why he should not stop believing in it.
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 3 March 2020 18: 40 New
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        Dear author, I forgot an important part of the doctrine of NSK20 / 1 in Ukraine:

        (...) In relation to the Ukrainians, the situation is different. They are too close to the Russians to be able to successfully independently organize themselves into something completely different. Better or worse, but they will build their fate in the form of some special connection with the Great Russian people. It seems obvious that the best of such ties would be a federation in which Ukraine will enjoy a significant degree of political and cultural autonomy, but will not be independent economically or militarily. Such relations will fully satisfy the requirements of the Great Russians themselves and, apparently, correspond to the framework by which the tasks of the USA in relation to Ukraine should be limited.

        Modern RF was able their own hands to spoil things yourself more than this at the height of the cold war they wanted to achieve and considered realistic and expedient in the USA.
        1. depressant 3 March 2020 20: 28 New
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          As for the so-called Dulles plan for the destruction of the USSR, such a plan was, and it does not matter, by whose name it was called - Dulles, Brzezinski, and others. From 1969 to 2001, our foreign intelligence officer Yuri Shevchenko regularly traveled abroad, had close contacts there with informants, in particular with the CIA, with whom he was friends, extracting information with the signature sign “cosmic”, that is, of highest secrecy. So, already in the 70s the Tsereushniki told him that the destruction of the USSR was in full swing, according to the plan. Shevchenko passed this information, naturally, to our intelligence, everyone knew everything with us. The scout believes that this is why the worst scenario for the collapse of the USSR was avoided. His words confirm the guesses of many people based on indirect observations - guesses about the betrayal of the top of the CPSU. But his opinion that the worst-case scenario was avoided looks like a curtsy “ku” towards Yeltsin. It couldn't be worse.
          And such a feeling is not good that the plan continues to operate. It was simply rewritten for the current moment.
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 3 March 2020 20: 38 New
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            Diary entries L.P. Beria, April 23, 1947: “Interesting materials came from America. They couldn’t take us by force, they want to decompose us from the inside. They write directly, they will fight for people from childhood, they will corrupt our literature and art and will find assistants and like-minded people inside Russia for this. Well, that shit was enough for us. Harm hard. So the calculation of America is chosen correctly. They want to encourage confusion among us and bureaucrats. And our death, they directly write death, they really want to get it. ”
            1. depressant 3 March 2020 20: 48 New
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              Even so, colleague? Maybe that's why they dealt with Beria so hastily that he knew too much and not to interfere. It, betrayal, was from the very beginning. Even before the revolution. Just in the person of Truman has found a powerful beneficiary. It was decided. It has found the raft inside and out. We ordinary citizens did not know anything - until the very end.
              1. iouris 3 March 2020 21: 24 New
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                Quote: depressant
                We ordinary citizens did not know anything - until the very end.

                And you will not know: the end will come sooner.
                1. depressant 3 March 2020 22: 04 New
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                  Laughed for a long time wassat love
                  My end, colleague? )))
              2. Reptiloid 4 March 2020 10: 51 New
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                Good day, Lyudmila hi What it was before the revolution, betrayal was --- 100%. Februaryists united. But even after the revolution they didn’t dissolve without a trace, continued to carry out subversive activities .... At least the Russian emigration, followers of Maslov, Milyukov, Milgunov .... There were organizations ---- Republican Democratic Union, "Fight for Russia" ", others ....... in the 20s and 30s they tried, they looked for like-minded people, residents in the USSR, they sent money .... The OGPU disclosed.
                And not only such organizations, so Dales’s plan is not fiction, although anyone can be the author
          2. Svarog 3 March 2020 20: 55 New
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            As for the so-called Dulles’s plan to destroy the USSR, such a plan was, and it doesn’t matter, by whose name it was called - Dulles, Brzezinski, and others
            And such a feeling is not good that the plan continues to operate. It was simply rewritten for the current moment.

            It really works .. Why we do not deal closely with Ukraine and Belarus, why we give loans to Turkey, lay a pipe, sell state-of-the-art air defense systems, build nuclear power plants .. when this state is clearly not our friend, but rather the enemy .. What are we fighting for Syria and have been watching for 6 years how they are destroying the inhabitants of Donbass? Wouldn’t it be easier to demolish the illegal Poroshenko in 2014, establish a friendly regime and thereby solve a lot of problems and save a ton of money? If Putin showed decisiveness, I’m sure that the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians would support us .. But Putin handed back .. someone seriously pressured .. and put pressure on the patient .. bills, real estate abroad ..
            "
            Russia may have any number of nuclear suitcases and nuclear buttons, but since 500 billion dollars of the Russian elite are in our banks, you still figure it out: is it your elite or already ours? “I don’t see a single situation in which Russia will use its nuclear potential.”
            Brzezinski

            I have long had the impression that the people who control us are gauleiters, and the whole circus of foreign policy is a delicate game .. which is aimed at suppressing the consciousness of the Russian people .. in parallel there is its extermination .. slowly but surely .. although 300-400 thousand a year is not slow at all, the whole city disappears in a year ..
            1. depressant 3 March 2020 21: 28 New
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              Svarog colleague, I fully share your concern. I still have an indelible picture in front of my eyes: fighters in black camouflage, crouching, approach the city council of Mariupol. Civil activists cautiously make their way behind them. The next day, the message: Mariupol is ours! The mayor has run away! How then the city came under the rule of ukrofashists and the pro-fascist mayor returned? Who and why surrendered the city? Or another: a Ukrainian shell hit our territory, a citizen of our country was killed. I can imagine what kind of howl the Americans would raise if a shell hit their territory. The troops would immediately move. We are wiped off. I’m silent about Donbass. About the giant posters "Russia, we are with you!" What can I say ... Obvious signs of betrayal. They say, they say, they would go to war with us. Excuse me, who? The Americans, who have already begun to equip themselves in Crimean schools as in their own dormitories, were quietly kicked out, but here ... Money. I don’t want to remind, but I have to - that last spring, or a year earlier, I don’t remember exactly now, it was noisy in the press: the United States began searching for Putin’s secret accounts. Since then - silence. And about our extinction - the Dulles plan in action. Like everything else. Nothing has gone anywhere. An ugly sensation of life under someone else’s press.
            2. Sergey M. Karasev 4 March 2020 02: 22 New
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              He really acts ..

              That's just the return of the Crimea does not fit into it. Well, why did amers need to complicate things like this? It was enough for them to give Putin instructions to confine themselves to "expressing concern" and Do not take any action.
              I think that if everything goes according to plan, then far from 100%.
              1. Per se. 4 March 2020 08: 54 New
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                Quote: Sergey Karasev
                That's just the return of the Crimea does not fit into it.
                It even fits, Crimea allowed the West to develop anti-Russian hysteria, impose sanctions, declaring Russia a new evil, and resume the arms race. Crimea had to be taken together with all of Ukraine, or at least with its Southeast, frankly pro-Russian. Most importantly, under no circumstances should one recognize the legitimacy of the new government in Ukraine, a farce with the elections held by the junta under the patronage of the CIA. Once the elections were recognized, then they allowed the junta to be legalized, which means that taking the Crimea automatically becomes illegal for the West. So, from a bad mind to a healthy one, the United States from the organizers of the anti-constitutional coup again became fighters for "democracy" and "justice."

                The author of the article made an explicit curtsy.
                It seems to me that I’m not afraid to cause “the righteous anger of the people”, which we were just lucky with the leader. It was lucky. And this is not “glorified” for President Putin, this is a simple statement of fact.
                Yes, against the backdrop of Yeltsin, very lucky. Against the background of Yeltsin, one must assume that anyone will seem a genius, and immediate duty and duties - the feat and hard labor of a "slave in the galleys." It was enough to come to Moscow Didier Burkhalter, - “Let them try” remained words, and immediately recognized the Bandera power. Well, did not dare to use the right to send troops, why did they recognize the junta? So we have what we have, although we had a legitimate president Yanukovych and his prime minister Azarov.

                Now there are problems with the Turks, all from the same “opera”, indecision, dependence of our authorities on those with whom they keep their treasures, acquired by “overwork” in Russia, but located in foreign banks and foreign currency.
                1. Sergey M. Karasev 4 March 2020 13: 57 New
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                  Crimea had to be taken along with all of Ukraine

                  No, thanks! stop
                  We would get a second Chechnya, only two orders of magnitude larger. Banderlogs would spread throughout the country and the army with the FSB would only chase after them. Let them get to the condition themselves, then we can add something, but not now!
                  I’m not sure that in 2014 we would digest Donbass. A squeal and sanctions would receive an order of magnitude more, perhaps it would come to a complete breakdown in relations. And there would be no flows.
                  Crimea allowed the West to develop anti-Russian hysteria, impose sanctions, declaring Russia a new evil, and resume the arms race.

                  But was it necessary?
                  In general, Putin’s rise to power does not, by itself, fit into Dulles’s plan. Agree, in the "holy nineties" amers everything went according to plan. In 2000, they would have put some Yumashev-Dyachenko-Chubais as president and Russia would gradually order a long life. But no! They slapped Putin and everything went wrong somehow ...
                  1. Per se. 5 March 2020 06: 13 New
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                    Quote: Sergey Karasev
                    Crimea had to be taken along with all of Ukraine

                    No, thanks!

                    Sergei Mikhailovich, “taking” is not necessary to take literally. At least we could and should have got, if not a union Ukraine, then at least not a hostile one. In general, the elections in Ukraine should have been held not by the CIA, but by the legitimate Yanukovych and Azarov, with the support of Russia, in our interests. Finally, in the same vein, on completely legitimate grounds, referenda could be held both in the Crimea, and in the Donbass, in other regions of Ukraine.

                    By the way, there was also a referendum in the Donbass, and in the Donbass people also voted for Russia. Moreover, without the cover of “polite people”, and instead of the carnival extravaganza, as in the Crimea, “festive salutes” were Bandera shelling, but the Russian authorities did not recognize the referendums of Donetsk and Lugansk, unlike the Crimean. Why, despite the fact that the West did not recognize the referendum in Crimea? The reason is still the same - dependence, indecision, fear of losing their foreign junk by those in power.
            3. Departure 4 March 2020 16: 46 New
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              The last paragraph agrees. But I hope that internal processes will bring to the surface indifferent people who can change everything. In our history there were already both interventionists and the yoke, we survived and we will survive these.
              Regarding Ukraine, there was two times in 2002-3 and 2010, the general picture of the 10th year on the example of one dialogue on Khreshchatyk: "Grandfather, what are people doing with cameras there? - Yes, again, damned Muscovites are shooting something." At a difference of 7 years, it was noticeable that people were well pumped up and the impression was that they lost the ideological struggle for minds even then or did not play at all. It was necessary to work with this back then. In the 2000s, yes, the majority probably would have supported it, but by the Euromaidan no longer. And now, for several years now, our government has been actively promoting online terms such as "stupid Ukrainian, pan-sauceheads, pigs, etc.", covering Ukraine with its failures in domestic politics, thereby only exacerbating the situation and tearing the fraternal people even further, setting up him against us. So in whose interests does our propaganda work?
          3. Anika 7 March 2020 10: 14 New
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            Why then, if you knew in advance, Crimea, the southern territories of Ukraine, which Lenin pulled back to the RSFSR did not return? Plants built there, such grandmothers swelled virgin, it is not clear
  2. neri73-r 3 March 2020 18: 26 New
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    Conclusion - you can't play honestly with gentlemen! We must work to destroy them, systematically, for a long time. Debt good turn deserves another.
  3. Hypatius 3 March 2020 18: 27 New
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    Asks for a series on this topic, from Malthus to today. Now globalists are implementing "sustainable development" with depopulation, deindustrialization, desocialization, and desoverinization. The goal is oligarchic world governance and the "platinum one hundred million," in return for the "golden billion."
    1. polar fox 3 March 2020 18: 48 New
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      Quote: Hypatius
      Asks for a series on this topic

      there is a book by SGKara-Murza "manipulation of consciousness." It’s easier to read than to write a whole series of articles. Yes, the book is small, about 800 pages)))
      1. Hypatius 4 March 2020 00: 58 New
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        ATP, read on occasion. But the Dulles plan is a well-known thing, but an article quickly refreshed memory.
  4. Engineer 3 March 2020 18: 48 New
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    Master class from the author
    It is necessary to prove that the Dulles plan is not an invention, lick the president and drag Ukraine. Who else is capable of this? Mr. Samsonov, you have a competitor
    Here would be more “evidence” of the authenticity of Thatcher’s quote about 15 million Russians.
    The article is designed to be full of degradants, but apparently for some time now the administration considers this a target
    the audience.
    Where did the interesting text come from that Metropolitan John quoted in his article? We can also find a fairly simple answer to this question. To do this, just look into the archives of Soviet intelligence.

    Right Let's go take a look. Who is there in the know, have you entered the electronic queue?
  5. Tank jacket 3 March 2020 18: 58 New
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    There is no Dulles plan, but it works (c)
    References to the “Dulles Plan” are essentially the same operation of covering up a real policy. The algorithm for this kind of operation is simple:

    1. There is a real policy.

    2. The actual policy is described in a text whose origin is attributed to a fictional character or organization or organization that really exists, but is subject to discredit.

    3. When this text is spread and lays down in support of the ideology of resistance to the actual policy, then the source of its origin opens: “See: the text that you refer to as the source of supposedly real politics and the cause of your ills is a hoax, a fake. There is no real subject for discussion. You don’t have to look for enemies when they are not there, and you yourself are ***** s. ”

    4. The ideology of resistance to real politics is discredited in the opinion of many.

    Fint is simple, but effective against gullible emotional simpletons. However, realistically enforced policies can be identified by the real facts of history. And the documents that prescribed the actions leading to these facts are generally optional, although they can play a supporting role.
    1. depressant 3 March 2020 21: 46 New
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      Colleague Tank jacket, I appreciate the games of your mind. But the chain of bad facts, in the absence of good ones, is unshakable, I would say, by fatal stability, and it makes us believe that there are people who also value the mind games --- somewhere in the CIA. Having the material and intellectual means necessary for games of this kind. I suppose it would be a mistake to rule out the possibility of such a one-goal game.
      1. Tank jacket 3 March 2020 22: 02 New
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        Colleague, are you threatening me?
  6. ric
    ric 3 March 2020 19: 03 New
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    What difference did Dulles' plan really have, the main thing is that he completely depicts how the Russian nation will perish. And what needs to be done to prevent this from happening.
    1. iouris 3 March 2020 21: 26 New
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      Quote: ric
      And what needs to be done to prevent this from happening.

      Isn’t it too late? Now all hope is only on God (it is not in vain that He is mentioned in the new constitution).
  7. Avior 3 March 2020 19: 09 New
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    Undoubtedly, the plan to transform the USSR into what we are seeing now existed and was implemented to the smallest detail.
    But the author was not Dulles, and not even a wonderful writer Anatoly Ivanov with his wonderful Eternal Call - a novel for all time, and not even a White Guard, and later an Abwehr officer Arnold Lakhnovsky, and even more so not an actor Basilashvili, as some people think, because they saw with their own eyes how he posed it.
    The plan to change the USSR, later executed almost exactly, was created in 1964-66 by a certain Nikolay Nosoff, a native of Ukraine.

    I am not aware of his contacts with the CIA and the State Department, although a photo of him speaks in favor of this version, and his origin in itself also clearly testifies to this, but it is clearly so sophisticated and thought out in detail and so accurately embodied after 30 years later in life, a plan could not be created without such contacts.
    The plan is currently in the public domain.
    http://loveread.ec/read_book.php?id=7641&p=1
    anyone can get acquainted with it, although there is a suspicion that sooner or later they will begin to remove it from wide access under various pretexts, so everything is clear.
    I advise everyone to read and save until removed from the public domain, and forget about all sorts of "invented Dulles" invented by writers
    hi
    1. alavrin 3 March 2020 20: 10 New
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      In the photo - not a certain Nikolay Nosoff, but the Soviet children's writer Nikolai Nosov, the author of Dunno, Mishkina Kasha, The Adventures of Toli Klyukvin, a participant in the Second World War, and a Stalin Prize laureate.
      1. Donkey driver 3 March 2020 20: 37 New
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        I think it was a moment of humor on the topic of cosiroluchs who solve Masonic reptiloid plots for one or two times without leaving their dirty adjacent bathroom.
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        read it yourself?
        if you read, I don’t understand, what’s the mess?
        it should be clear what I wrote .....
    2. ccsr 3 March 2020 20: 11 New
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      Quote: Avior
      The plan is currently in the public domain.

      Not located - the resource is locked, so let's take a screenshot.
      1. Avior 3 March 2020 20: 27 New
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        with vpn available
        впрочем
        https://knijky.ru/books/neznayka-na-lune
        http://www.planetaskazok.ru/nnosovskz/neznajkanalunenosov
        https://skazki.rustih.ru/avtorskie-skazki/nikolaj-nosov-skazki/nikolaj-nosov-neznajka-na-lune/
        http://lib.ru/NOSOW/nezn3.txt
        smile
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          Quote: Avior
          впрочем

          Do you think that Petrosyanov is not enough for us? In vain you think so - now we realized that our own had already appeared ...
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            for anyone reading anything funny there, one reality
            and I sincerely advise you to get yourself an opera with VPN so as not to depend on blocking
    3. Krasnodar 3 March 2020 21: 29 New
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      Quote: Avior
      Undoubtedly, the plan to transform the USSR into what we are seeing now .... hi:

      Access to the information resource is limited on the basis of Federal Law of July 27, 2006 No. 149-ФЗ “On Information, Information Technologies and the Protection of Information”
      laughing
      Have you dug yourself up? )))
      1. Avior 3 March 2020 21: 41 New
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        I always watch network libraries through vpn on opera
        no problem
        I’m just used to links to resources in the opera, so I didn’t think much
        otherwise there will always be those who want to block something, not one, but the other.
        but you are right.
        it turned out very clearlysmile
  8. knn54 3 March 2020 19: 35 New
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    "We do not set ourselves the task of re-educating Soviet people. This task is beyond our reach. Our task is much simpler - to sow doubt ... So that in the future war, if it happens, there would be neither the Kosmodemyansky nor the Sailors."
    Magazine Der Spiegel. Almost half a century ago.
  9. NordUral 3 March 2020 19: 45 New
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    It may not have been Dulles’s plan, but it was being implemented with bullish stubbornness by the States, that’s a fact.
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      Everything is going according to plan. If someone does not give a plan, they will immediately be fired.
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        Too tricky, iouris.
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    Quote: NordUral
    It may not have been Dulles’s plan, but it was being implemented with bullish stubbornness by the States, that’s a fact.

    villains, they slip a bottle of vodka every morning to a neighbor, and he has to drink it, don’t throw it away
    1. NordUral 3 March 2020 23: 20 New
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      So we were glad that it was, not vodka, but jeans and chewing gum.
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    They themselves have ruined the USSR and are dumping them to the west, and he is glad that he was so honored to defeat the USSR.
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      Russians will win anyone. Only they can’t cope with themselves. The West will help us!
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      This is what I always tell everyone! ))) hi
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      Themselves, I do not argue, but the assistants were notable, Igor.
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  13. Aleks2000 3 March 2020 22: 36 New
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    Nightmare....
    This fake 90s pops up again and is being seriously typed and discussed ...

    It seems like it has long been analyzed that he was blown away and supplemented with fictitious statements by some villain in a political detective from the USSR.

    Dulles was locked up only because a simple person only remembered him from the time of 2MB. Where he probed the ground for negotiations and therefore was mentioned in a pile of espionage novels, such as 17 instants.

    And of course, that in such a clumsy and self-revealing language, ala protocols of the Zionist wise men, no protocol will be written.

    And now this fake 90s has been fastened to the clumsy old language of the "doctrine of NSC20 / 1"

    Where are the media going ..
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      Quote: Alex2000
      And now this fake 90s has been fastened to the clumsy old language of the "doctrine of NSC20 / 1"

      Where are the media going ..

      In 1950, the U.S. Army created the Office of Psychological Warfare. What they were guided by and what they developed was still not known to everyone, but they worked seriously there, considering that at the same time the CIA was implementing the MK-Ultra program, which was aimed at manipulating consciousness. This is a coincidence, or, nevertheless, signs that the US government was seriously developing methods of suppressing the enemy (including our compatriots), and the "doctrine of NSK20 / 1" is only a part of the visible iceberg, which is still hidden under water. I would not begin to evaluate our adversary so primitively - the Great Patriotic War taught us that slogan slogans do not guarantee victory, and therefore we must take our enemy seriously.
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        Altogether True.
        But the claims are precisely to fasten the Fake "Dalas Plan" with abstruse reasonings to real, albeit clumsy, plans.

        And Management, IMHO, were all major players. As well as the manipulation of consciousness, because the foundations were laid much earlier ... (fasting, fresh food, prayers on an empty stomach, etc.)
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    Why do we need some Dulles when we have Putin and Co. ....
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    Remembering how the USSR and subsequent events fell apart, then yes, we can say that the Dulles plan really exists and works ...
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    Quote: NordUral
    So we were glad that it was, not vodka, but jeans and chewing gum.

    bastards, the people of a great country were not ready for such a serious threat
  17. nikvic46 4 March 2020 06: 37 New
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    “Beauty is a terrible force,” said the famous heroine in the film “Spring.” The same can be said about propaganda. Now it’s mixed up in one thing. But it’s not only politics. there is a need to know more. It has always been. And in my opinion, we miss the opportunity to fully fulfill such a demand. When scientific thoughts are not expressed in a popular way, then scammers from politics and science act on a person.
  18. Llur 4 March 2020 09: 21 New
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    The government of the Russian Federation destroys the country's economy and industry, medicine and education, contributes to the moral degradation of youth and society as a whole - are we really lucky with the war or is the author joking?
  19. Seld 4 March 2020 11: 54 New
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    This interesting topic is very well and extensively touched upon in the book "The CIA. True Story" by Tim Weiner (received a national documentary prize for this work).
    It is rare when an American tries to write the truth about his "America." The material is quite suitable, as it seems to me, for the Wikileaks or Asanja site.
    Many references are given to documents of 1945 - 1950, disclosed in the states relatively recently ...
    A. Dulles (and his brother-in-law !!!!!) are described in great detail there.
    One gets the impression of sufficient objectivity ...