Three days and three nights of the Maykop massacre


After the assault on Maykop, most of the townspeople lurked, because they had heard about the atrocities of the troops associated with the Kuban Rada in the region. Only a few bourgeois decided, so to speak, to convey "credentials" to General Viktor Pokrovsky. For this, a gala dinner was arranged. In this way, the bourgeoisie tried to bargain for security and immunity. But even they did not know that Pokrovsky, under the guise of "legitimate authority", had already begun to set the stage for mass executions and robbery.


Legislative cynicism of Pokrovsky


Following order No. 1 of the “commandant” Yesaul Razderishin, discouraging his ignorance, followed by “Order No. 2” already signed by “the head of the 1st Kuban Division, Major General Pokrovsky.” A horrifying order of cynicism read:

“For the fact that the population on the outskirts of the city of Maykop (Nikolaev, Pokrovskaya and Troitskaya) shot at the retreating troops of Major General Gaiman on September 5 and the regiment of Colonel Malevanov who entered on September 7, I impose a contribution of one million on the above-mentioned suburbs (1.000.000) rubles.

Contributions must be paid within a three-day period and by no means by promissory notes.

In case of failure to fulfill my requirements, the above-mentioned outskirts of the city will be burned to the ground.

“I lay the collection of contributions on the commandant of the city, Yesaul Razderishin.”

The cynicism of this order was not even that the indemnity was imposed indiscriminately on the city, which was supposedly "liberated from the Bolsheviks." Sophisticated cynicism was that the inhabitants of the outskirts (settlements) were mostly workers and poor employees, who, with all the desire, could not collect such a colossal sum for neither three nor ten days.

Three days and three nights of the Maykop massacre

At the same time, Order 3 came out. This order introduced martial law in the city, in the aforementioned settlements, all movement was prohibited from seven in the evening until six in the morning, the lighting should have been turned off at that time, including in the houses, and a military court would wait for anyone who violated this order and, most likely shooting. At the same time, Pokrovsky did not forget about his hedonistic ways, so in the center of Maykop the owners of cafes, restaurants and other entertainment venues did not just ask to open their enterprises, but demanded their immediate opening without limiting hours of work.

Order No. 4 signed by General Pokrovsky demanded that the population surrender everything in their hands weapon, as well as all items of equipment and uniforms, including overcoats and flasks. And under the concept of "weapons" fell and daggers. What exactly relates to knives, was not indicated. All those who were allowed to find prohibited items during the search were ordered to be shot on the spot.

Three days and three nights of executions


Early in the morning of September 21, while Pokrovsky took part in the next solemn event regarding the capture of Maykop (a prayer service in the Assumption Cathedral), on his orders, the Cossacks broke into working settlements. At that time, few people knew that even at night the White Cossacks had chopped up hundreds of people, and in the afternoon they intended to completely clean up the working areas of the city. Slobodki could not pay the indemnity, which the general expected, and therefore, as he threatened, the outskirts were devoted to fire and plunder. Using order No. 4, Pokrovsky's punishers simply robbed civilians. Guided by order No. 2, they hid their crimes by burning looted houses.


Victor Pokrovsky

One of the witnesses to the Maikop massacre was former hieromonk Sergei Trufanov (Iliodor), the Black Hundred, once a friend of Rasputin and a rather knowledgeable and at the same time odious person with a frank raid of adventurism. Despite his specific views, there is no reason to doubt Trufanov's objectivity. First, he could not find a clear common language with the Bolsheviks. And secondly, he himself was detained in Maykop by Cossacks Pokrovsky, so he found himself in the center of events.

What happened truly shocked even the very experienced Trufanov:

“The general came and gave the order. Soviet city workers and "comrades" soldiers there, there, there! .. This order meant to take everyone and lead to the station square, hang and chop heads. Before the execution, they mocked the unfortunate and ripped off their dress. Chairman Maykop Executive Committee comrade Savateev was stripped naked and hanged. ”

And these terrifying testimonies were only the beginning:

“On the morning of September 21, when leaving the barn, I saw a mass of cut corpses near the station from the fields. After they explained to me that in one night 1600 Bolsheviks were captured, captured in the city forest and surrendered. On the station square from the side of the city, I saw the gallows. They were hanged on 29 citizens, some of them were in underwear, and many were in full nakedness. On the way to the garden, I saw a mass of Bolshevik corpses on the fields of the city, the heads of these corpses were chopped into several parts, so it was difficult to make out who the person belonged to the remains of the Bolsheviks, so that the relatives of the murdered could not identify the corpse. "



Sergey Trufanov

They were exterminated not only by ideological and class grounds, but also by age qualification. So, men of draft age who managed to stay in families and avoid conscription were executed without trial in their own homes in front of mothers, wives, and children. The severed parts of the bodies lay almost throughout the city. Starving dogs pulled apart bodies, turning into aggressive cannibals to match people.

But back to Trufanov’s memoirs:

“I saw such a terrible picture, it is enough to describe which I do not have the opportunity. Exactly. I saw 33 young, flowering healthy young Bolshevik youths leading from a tannery. They were led only because they worked in a nationalized factory. All the young men were barefoot, in the same underwear. They all walked in a row, being tied hand to hand. Officers and Cossacks walked behind, beat the young men with whips, forced them to sing: "Get up, branded with a curse, the whole world of hungry and slaves." Along the streets along which the martyrs were led, crowds of people stood: women sobbed and fainted. When the procession was in the square, three young men were hanged in trees, and thirty were tied in pairs and ordered to kneel. The executioners-Cossacks, among four people, began execution. The executioners were ordered to one of the couple to lean their head back, and the other of the couple to tilt their head forward. When the youths did this, the Cossacks chopped their neck and face with sabers, saying:

- Keep your head up! Tilt your head below! Raise your face above! ..

With every blow, the crowd swayed with horror, and a sharp moan came. When all the couples were chopped up, the crowd was dispersed with lashes. ”


There are cases known and completely paradoxical in their fierce cruelty. So, one of the Cossacks of Pokrovsky killed his own brother’s wife, who went to the Reds, and almost all of his nephews, who caught his eye.


Anton Denikin

Even the bloodyness of the Civil War, in which there were no saints from either the whites or the reds, could not mitigate the deed Pokrovsky. They learned about the massacre at the headquarters of the Volunteer Army from an intelligence report to the Special Counterintelligence Division of the General Staff Division under the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the South of Russia for November 1918 (given in abbreviation):

“The basis for the imposition of indemnity on the inhabitants of the outskirts of Maykop and the brutal punishment of the gene for them. Pokrovsky was rumored about the shooting of residents on the retreating troops of General Gaiman on September 20 with the Bolsheviks returning Maykop ...

Thus, in this case, it is very difficult to establish the direct participation of the residents of the Nikolaev district in the shooting of General Gaiman's troops. The Pokrovsky district is so far from the retreat route that physically, by its location, it could not take part in the shelling of troops, not excluding, of course, the possibility of single shooting cases during the start of an attack on the city streets.

From the Trinity Territory, or rather, the so-called Niza, from the islands of the river and the banks, there were cases of shooting at the running residents of Maykop crossing the river, but there were no killed or wounded. This to some extent indicates that the shooting was not intense and was random in nature ...

All this indicates that the population of the outskirts as such could not have weapons and only individuals could have such. In addition, both the Bolsheviks and General Geiman suggested that the population surrender the existing weapons, which were demolished in significant numbers.

Meanwhile, when occupying the mountains. Maykop in the early days of the lesson, 2 Maykop inhabitants were cut down, which figure was called by General Pokrovsky himself at a public dinner ...

Indicate many cases of executions of persons completely unrelated to the Bolshevik movement. In some cases, even the identity and application of the institution did not help. So, for example, the petition of the teacher’s council of a technical school for one worker and teacher’s institute for a student Sivokonya ...

The most terrible thing is that the searches were accompanied by general violence by women and girls. Not even the old women were spared. Violence was accompanied by bullying and beatings. Randomly, the interviewed residents living at the end of Gogolevskaya Street, about two blocks along the street, reported the rape of 17 people, including girls, one old woman and one pregnant (testimony of Jezerskaya).

Violence was usually carried out “collectively” by several people one at a time. Two hold by the legs, while the rest use it. A survey of people living on Field Street, the mass nature of violence is confirmed. The number of victims is considered to be hundreds in the city.

It is interesting to note that the Cossacks, committing robberies and violence, were convinced of their innocence and impunity and said that "they are allowed to do everything."

As soon as the news of Pokrovsky’s atrocities spread throughout the south, literally everyone - white and red - began to despise him. In many memoirs of the White movement participants, Pokrovsky is listed exclusively as a bloodthirsty bastard. At the same time, the command did not draw the necessary conclusions, although both Denikin and Wrangel Pokrovsky disdained at least personal contact with this general. It was clear to everyone that the Maykop massacre was not just a crime, but a huge blow to the entire White movement. From the city, which it was difficult to call completely red before Pokrovsky, even the bourgeoisie reached out. The massacre lasted three days and three nights. The southern "valley of apple trees" has turned into a huge block.


Now even people loyal to the whites became supporters of the Bolsheviks. At the same time, Pokrovsky continued to surround himself with ingratiating illiterate executioners like Yesaul Razderishin, commandant Maykop and the author of some Jesuit orders, and did not accept any criticism of his actions. On the contrary, the general considered his "policy of intimidation" the only true one. Pokrovsky did not even notice how his troops, who had once carried out a brilliant attack on the position of the Reds at the Enem farm with a small number of 300 Cossacks, turned into a gang of rapists, looters and thugs.

However, Pokrovsky himself was engaged in robbery - both in Maykop and in other cities. So, in his "Essays", Lieutenant General, hero of the First World War and personnel officer Yevgeny Isaakovich Dostovalov recalled:

“General Pokrovsky, who was killed in Bulgaria, plundered a huge amount of stones and gold items and kept them in the room of the Kista hotel in Sevastopol, where he lived during the time of Wrangel. Once General Postovsky came to him, spent the night, and the suitcase with diamonds disappeared. Counterintelligence report to the chief of staff of the Don army, General Kelchevsky, reported that all traces indicate that Postovsky was carrying the suitcase. However, the case was dismissed at the request of Pokrovsky, who could not remember all the things lying in the suitcase, and most importantly, could not and did not want to explain where and how he got these things. ”

Since there are many testimonies of the Maykop massacre, data on the dead are extremely different. They range from 1000 to 7000 killed. At the same time, the number of mutilated, raped, robbed and lost their homes was not counted by anyone at all.

To be continued ...
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  1. lelik613 4 March 2020 04: 47 New
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    Holy people ... Are people?
    1. 210ox 4 March 2020 06: 20 New
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      Khrustobuchniki pancake .. Nits.
      1. Alexander Suvorov 4 March 2020 08: 50 New
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        There are cases known and completely paradoxical in their fierce cruelty. So, one of the Cossacks of Pokrovsky killed his own brother’s wife, who went to the Reds, and almost all of his nephews, who caught his eye.
        The true "white nobility", I bet that if this non-human being survived, then with a probability of 99,9% he then went along with the Germans in the 41st.
        No, I’m not saying that all the Reds were saints, but the Reds had robbery, looting, violence and senseless murder was severely punished, right up to the death penalty. But the whites, robbery, torture and murder were in honor. Abominations.
        That's right they got it.
        By the way, how brother went to brother near Sholokhov in the Quiet Don is very truthfully described.
        It was just the whites who started all this badyaga, the Bolsheviks did not need the Civil War from the word at all.
        1. Alexander Suvorov 4 March 2020 09: 18 New
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          I’ll add more about Cossack fists.
          My grandfather was aunt from prosperous Cossacks (fist, in short). Families were big then, there were many children. So that grandfather had something about a dozen (I don’t remember exactly how many). So, the surplus appraisal began, they began to hide the grain wherever. His grandfather grabbed his silence. And he began to indicate to his children where to hide. As a result, when the food detachment arrived, this grandfather of the food detachment himself passed all the caches of the children. And then he also extorted from his children for grain what he had (mostly a dowry of wives). My father-in-law's father refused to go to him for a cut, so that grandfather later tried to shit through the organs of the already established Soviet government. The truth is, I don’t remember how it ended, the roofing felts were taken by the competent authorities, the roofing felts themselves decided on Judas.
          These were their fists. And then here the bakers tell us that the fist is like the one who was sleeping on the fist. Yeah, shchazz ... Pavlik Morozov remember his family too. Here is their true face, they did not spare their children, not to mention the strangers. Nits.
          1. Looking for 4 March 2020 17: 15 New
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            something of our ENEMY is visible. olgovich. Probably he is feverishly searching for archival documents disguised as hell. Fakes about the "terrible" atrocities of the Bolsheviks.
          2. ser56 5 March 2020 15: 57 New
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            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            My grandfather is hiding

            it’s not worth the problem of transferring your family to everyone! hi However, you are a faithful heir to your great-grandfather ... request
        2. Yamato1980 4 March 2020 09: 20 New
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          Well, as it’s not needed so, the class struggle implies the destruction of one class by another, without war, and therefore violence, by no means.
          1. Alexander Suvorov 4 March 2020 09: 40 New
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            Yamato1980 (Paul)
            Well, as it’s not needed so, the class struggle implies the destruction of one class by another, without war, and therefore violence, by no means.
            Sorry, but where about the destruction of the Bolsheviks, i.e. physical extermination? Nothing of the kind, the Bolsheviks proclaimed equality for all. Those. those of the nobles who took Soviet power became equal with all. Those. They should, along with all the working people, contribute to the country's construction. And since there were scanty educated among peasants and workers, then all the engineers, scientists, doctors, teachers and others, this is basically the nobility. And these people were very necessary to the new government in order to at least elementary train the workers and peasants, of whom there were an overwhelming majority. Yes, some had to be forced out of the stick, but where to go?
            But the Bolsheviks themselves needed the fifth wheel as a cart.
            1. Yamato1980 4 March 2020 10: 06 New
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              In fact, no one was going to build communism in a single country, and the revolution (Russia had nothing to do with it) was needed in order to ignite the fire of the world revolution. The proletariat was to become the dominant class. Not the peasants, not the bourgeoisie, not the nobility, namely the proletariat. Those. the remaining classes were supposed to disappear or join the main one, while the bourgeoisie and the nobility as ideologically nasty classes needed to be exterminated physically. Read at your leisure "Capital" of Marx and Lenin too.
              1. Diana Ilyina 4 March 2020 10: 54 New
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                Yamato1980 (Paul)
                In fact, no one was going to build communism in a single country, and the revolution (Russia had nothing to do with it) was needed in order to ignite the fire of the world revolution.
                Oh, let’s drop these nonsense already. Initially, such an idea may have been in the air, but then realities quickly put everything in its place. And no one actually, except Trotsky, already tried to ignite anything anywhere. Lenin was one of the first to understand this and took the course towards building communism in a single country.
                As for this one of your opus:
                The proletariat was to become the dominant class. Not the peasants, not the bourgeoisie, not the nobility, namely the proletariat. Those. the remaining classes were supposed to disappear or join the main one, while the bourgeoisie and the nobility as ideologically nasty classes needed to be exterminated physically.
                then this nonsense is not a desire even to comment extensively. I can only say that only crazy could think of such insanity. The Bolsheviks were not crazy. The peasantry was not going to eradicate anyone. And where would bread be taken then? Or were the Bolsheviks so stupid, in your opinion, that they did not know where the bread came from?
                Read at your leisure "Capital" of Marx and Lenin too.
                That's exactly what you take and read yourself, ignoramus!
                1. Yamato1980 4 March 2020 11: 19 New
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                  There is nothing in the heads of modern youth. laughing
                  1. fighter angel 4 March 2020 14: 11 New
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                    Yamato1980
                    Pavel, as I understand the numbers in 1980 in your nickname, is this the year of birth?
                    Of all the Soviet, probably only the pioneer organization in the school was hooked?
                    And then already at the "end" ...
                    Nothing about the theory of Marxism-Leninism and scientific communism took place either at school or at a university ...
                    Therefore, your nonsense here was taken simply from ignorance of the essence of the matter.
                    Do not try to convince me that "you yourself have taken and studied everything."
                    I will never believe it.
                    So that you know, Capital wrote not only Marx, but also Engels.
                    1. Varyag_0711 4 March 2020 14: 48 New
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                      fighter angel (Alex)
                      Do not try to convince me that "you yourself have taken and studied everything."
                      I will never believe it.
                      The namesake, but it is always the case with the bakers, they have such tactics. Throw on a fan, and you rake. After all, what they’re doing, they write, like, the Bolsheviks destroyed 100500 million people, it’s a kind of “fact”, and you already prove that it’s not there. The main thing is to fart harder and smelly towards the opponent, and then even though the grass does not grow.
                      He said
                      There is nothing in the heads of modern youth.
                      and the fact that Diana (no offense will be told to her) to youth is difficult to attribute, he is not at all interested. And the fact that she understands him more in history and in politics is of little concern to him either. The main thing here is to prick the opponent more painfully, and especially the female one. How will a woman tell him here, and the fact that he and the little finger of this woman are not standing, he does not care much.
                      1. Yamato1980 5 March 2020 18: 39 New
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                        Firstly, I didn’t gather dust for Christ bakers. Secondly, your Diana (or whatever it is), by her own statements, provoked to me, there may not be an entirely ethical answer. Limited and stupid patriotism is much worse than liberal ideas may not always be.
                    2. Yamato1980 5 March 2020 18: 32 New
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                      Well, the record also wrote, and Engels is too much, rather finished it. But “Capital” had to be studied, teachers insisted, and it was just interesting. Maybe enlighten me about the essence and delirium. Just please with quotes, and not like "I know."
                      1. fighter angel 6 March 2020 11: 36 New
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                        With your desire, with all desire, there is no time to do it.
                        Don’t be too weak.
                        You had to study, just take and continue the study!
                        Only: herself, herself, herself, herself ...
                2. ser56 5 March 2020 16: 03 New
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                  Quote: Diana Ilyina
                  That's exactly what you take and read yourself, ignoramus!

                  from this phrase you can clearly see that you have not read these works ... request
                  Do you know the difference between capitalism and imperialism and the conclusion of the VIL about the weak link? hi
              2. Alexander Suvorov 4 March 2020 11: 10 New
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                Actually, Diana has already answered you. I can only add that the idea of ​​a world revolution was delegated to the COMINTERN, and the Bolsheviks took up construction in Russia. And as they correctly pointed out to you, no one except Trotsky had such crazy ideas. Everyone was fully aware of the fact that the Bolsheviks did not have the forces for a world revolution and that it was necessary to maintain power in Russia, and not climb with the revolution to others. So do not smack nonsense, it hurts.
                P.S. And yet, yes, read Lenin yourself at your leisure, maybe you will understand something, although it is unlikely.
                1. Yamato1980 4 March 2020 11: 24 New
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                  You at least look at the time period, if you can’t log in. The Civil War is for a moment the period from 1917 to 1922 mainly. After the failure of the German Revolution and the Polish Campaign, the Bolsheviks temporarily abandoned the ideas of the world revolution, and before that they had a clear idea of ​​the plan of the revolution, at least on a European scale.
                  1. Lynx-z 5 March 2020 10: 44 New
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                    Civil war did not start in 17
                    1. ser56 5 March 2020 16: 06 New
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                      Quote: Lynx-Z
                      not started in year 17

                      Not at all - its beginning was the October Revolution, when the Provisional Government was overthrown, and there was nothing left before the convocation of the Constituent Assembly ...
                      1. Doliva63 6 March 2020 18: 07 New
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                        Quote: ser56
                        Quote: Lynx-Z
                        not started in year 17

                        Not at all - its beginning was the October Revolution, when the Provisional Government was overthrown, and there was nothing left before the convocation of the Constituent Assembly ...

                        You are raving. Civilians began the White Belts in the summer of the 18th. Oh, these victims of the exam!
                      2. ser56 7 March 2020 15: 44 New
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                        Quote: Doliva63
                        You are raving. Civilians began the White Belts in the summer of the 18th. Oh, these victims of the exam!

                        1) I will refrain from your identification bully
                        2) Guards began the Bolsheviks staging a coup, and then dispersed the CSS ... request Czechs, listen, they are not white, but foreigners hi
                    2. Lynx-z 8 March 2020 16: 05 New
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                      you confuse the beginning with the reasons
                    3. ser56 8 March 2020 17: 36 New
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                      I give arguments, and you only your opinion .. request
            2. ser56 5 March 2020 16: 04 New
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              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              I can only add that the idea of ​​a world revolution was delegated to the COMINTERN,

              what illiteracy ... bully VKP (b) is part 3 of the International!
        3. rich 4 March 2020 16: 25 New
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          Alexander Suvorov: all engineers, scientists, doctors, teachers and others, it’s just basically the nobility

          The nobility was just among this category, a meager - in the majority they were raznochintsy, and only doctors and teachers from the families of clergymen
        4. ser56 5 March 2020 16: 01 New
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          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          Sorry, but where about the destruction of the Bolsheviks, i.e. physical extermination?

          read VIL - How do we organize a competition, he directly calls for the destruction of Russian people as insects ... request Give a link, or find yourself? wink
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          these people were very needed by the new government

          therefore, they were shot during the years of the Red Terror, then they came up with the Industrial Party, etc. Remind the fate of Sikorsky, Polikarpov, Grigorovich - and these are only aircraft designers ... request
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          But the Bolsheviks themselves needed the fifth wheel as a cart.

          Remember the slogan of the VIL - let's turn the imperialist war into a civil war? So you do not know the subject well! laughing
          1. bk316 5 March 2020 17: 29 New
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            How do we organize a competition, he directly calls for the destruction of Russian people as insects ...

            Well, send - you read it yourself?
            There is not a word about nationality, it refers to the liberation of the Russian land from harmful people, for example FROM CONS. Is this what every second writes about in VO?
            1. ser56 5 March 2020 18: 15 New
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              Quote: bk316
              Well, send - you read it yourself?

              I studied Marxism in this way and passed perfectly hi
              Quote: bk316
              There is not a word about nationality, there it is about the liberation of the land

              if not a secret - VIL wrote for France? Or are you running? Or didn’t you read? see below, enlighten request
              Quote: bk316
              Russian from harmful people, for example FROM CON

              as under the tsar, crooks were simply imprisoned, moreover, in court, and not in newspaper articles. hi
              Quote: bk316
              Is this what every second writes about in VO?

              there were always enough fools in Russia ... request
              so
              "Thousands of forms and methods of practical accounting and control over rich, crooks and parasites must be developed and tested in practice by the communes themselves, by small cells in the village and in the city. Diversity here is the guarantee of vitality, the guarantee of success in achieving a common, common goal:cleaning the Russian land from any harmful insects, from fleas - crooks, from bugs - rich and so on and so forth. In one place, a dozen rich people, a dozen crooks, will be imprisoned, half a dozen workers working off work (just as hooligan, as many typesetters in St. Petersburg, especially in party printing houses) are taking off from work. In another - put them to clean the toilets. In the third, they will be provided with yellow tickets upon departure of the punishment cell, so that the whole people, before their correction, oversees them as if they were harmful people. In the fourth, they will be shot on the spot of one of ten guilty of parasitism. In the fifth, they will come up with combinations of different means, and by, for example, conditional release, they will achieve a quick fix of fixable elements from rich, bourgeois intellectuals, crooks and hooligans. The more diverse, the better, the richer the general experience, the more true and faster the success of socialism, the easier the practice will develop - for only practice can work out - the best methods and means of struggle. "
              as you see you're wrong - the question is not about crooks, they are also rich ... there is no definition of a crook and rich ... request and then the list expands. both intellectuals and workers ...
              Well, he drove the VIL so what did he come to? To admit that he was stupid, so he introduced the NEP ... and they killed the people - horror ... the temporary detention center did not understand the essence, went to the second round - to rob and slaughter peasants (collectivization) and intellectuals (Industrial Party) ... request
              1. Yamato1980 5 March 2020 18: 49 New
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                Understand the problem. Modern patriots, so to speak, do not quite understand the essence of the class struggle and who these classes are. Here, for example, they brought peasants that no one was going to touch them, they grew bread, but as you put it, VIL clearly emphasized that the peasant is the OWNER, and therefore an alien class and therefore must be destroyed. The same Cossacks, the fact that they opposed the Bolsheviks, it was in their chain of faults where between the middle and the last place, the main thing is that they were OWNERS, and therefore had to be destroyed.
                1. ser56 6 March 2020 13: 04 New
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                  Quote: Yamato1980
                  VIL clearly emphasized, the peasant is the OWNER, and therefore an alien class and therefore must be destroyed.

                  you read VIL poorly - he divided the peasants into 3 groups ... enemies - kulaks, fellow travelers - middle peasants and allies - farm laborers ...
                  1. Yamato1980 6 March 2020 13: 30 New
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                    I tried to convey the essence that the peasants are a separate class laughing
              2. Foul skeptic 6 March 2020 10: 53 New
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                And, it turns out that your words about the physical total destruction of the Russian people (in interpretation) are just your words. Which, however, is not surprising.
                1. ser56 6 March 2020 13: 05 New
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                  Quote: A vile skeptic
                  these are just your words.

                  unfortunately these are the affairs of the Bolsheviks ... upstream there are calculations of losses ... request
                  1. Foul skeptic 6 March 2020 13: 51 New
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                    What the hell. You are indicated by your distortion of specific words, you begin to drag in what.
                    read VIL - How do we organize a competition, he directly calls for the destruction of Russian people as insects ...
                  2. ser56 6 March 2020 16: 08 New
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                    Quote: A vile skeptic
                    You’ve been told that you’re distorting specific words,

                    did it distort the meaning of the phrase VIL? see above:
                    "cleaning the Russian land of all kinds of harmful insects,"
                    or most of Russia is not Russian? request Or are you moving away from meaning? wink
                  3. Foul skeptic 10 March 2020 08: 13 New
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                    or most of Russia is not Russian?

                    most in Russia are not crooks and parasites.
                  4. ser56 10 March 2020 13: 37 New
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                    Quote: A vile skeptic
                    most in Russia are not crooks and parasites.

                    and this is how to look ... bully if with revolutionary legal awareness - then a lot of blood is shed ... request
  • bk316 5 March 2020 17: 23 New
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    Well, as it’s not needed so, the class struggle implies the destruction of one class by another, without war, and therefore violence, by no means.

    You do not know the young man of the base.
    A class is not a genotype, not a mentality or religion.
    This is just the ratio of a group of people to the means of production, that would change this attitude, for example to withdraw them, you do not need any war ....
    1. Yamato1980 5 March 2020 18: 52 New
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      These are your conclusions or you can quote the classics, and most importantly, please give the facts when there was a voluntary withdrawal of the means of production from the ruling class.
      1. bk316 5 March 2020 19: 05 New
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        These are your conclusions or you can quote classics,

        My conclusion? Are you talking about class definition?
  • Vladimir_2U 4 March 2020 04: 56 New
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    There was a "red" terror, but he appeared in response to precisely such art. In addition, the Bolsheviks have never been let out by the "honestly speaking" Bolsheviks, but on the contrary, at first, all the time, but the "honest word" of the officers was not very honest.
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      he appeared in response to precisely such art.

      which ones? This is when the Social Revolutionaries killed the Bolsheviks? bully
      1. Vladimir_2U 6 March 2020 03: 24 New
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        “Order No. 2” is already signed by “the chief of the 1st Kuban Division, Major General Pokrovsky”
        Is Pokrovsky a Social Revolutionary like that? Have you read the article with at least one eye? Not to mention a little knowledge of the history of the Civil War.
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          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Not to mention a little knowledge of the history of the Civil War.

          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          There was a red terror, but he appeared in response to precisely such arts.

          "The Red Terror was declared on September 2, 1918 by Yakov Sverdlov in the appeal of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and confirmed by the decision of the Council of People's Commissars of September 5, 1918 as a response to the assassination of Lenin on August 30, as well as to the assassination on the same day by Leonid Kannegiser of the Chairman of the Petrograd Cheka Uritsky."

          I will say this:
          1) Cossacks, like the Whites in general, were not related to the murders in Moscow and St. Petersburg - this is a showdown of revolutionaries request
          2) before lecturing others - it is better in the mirror ... hi
          1. ser56 6 March 2020 13: 17 New
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            I clarify for a connoisseur of history Vladimir_2U: "In the early morning of September 20, thousands of angry Pokrovsky fighters fell on the Maikop from the north."
            from the first article, i.e. Red terror is already in action bully
          2. Vladimir_2U 10 March 2020 07: 46 New
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            Quote: ser56
            The Red Terror was declared on September 2, 1918

            Quote: ser56
            Cossacks, like the whites in general, had nothing to do with the murders in Moscow and St. Petersburg - this is a showdown of revolutionaries
            Yes, of course, in general, white until September XNUMX were not just white, but also fluffy:
            However, it should be borne in mind that these harsh measures were used by volunteers long before Lezhanka on March 6 (February 21), 1918, where they shot about 500 prisoners after the battle. So, on January 21, 1918, when they took the Gukovo station in Donbas, they shot, according to various estimates, from several tens to 300 prisoners. But it is worth mentioning that according to historian A. Bugaev, such cruelty was caused by the fact that the first attempt to capture the station killed the entire white detachment of staff captain Dobronravov, and all the volunteers captured were shot after torture. Even earlier, after the battles for Matveev Kurgan on January 11, several dozen people were shot [24].
            The coming to power of supporters of the Constituent Assembly in the cities of the Volga region in the summer of 1918 was accompanied by reprisals against many party and Soviet workers, the prohibition of the Bolsheviks and the Left Social Revolutionaries from serving in power structures. On the territory controlled by Komuch, state security structures, military courts were created, and death barges were used [6]. About 1918 thousand people became victims of anti-Bolshevik terror in the Volga territories controlled by KOMUCH in the summer and autumn of 5
            Well, as usual, Moscow and St. Petersburg are Russia, and the rest are so, "zamkadyshi", as you see it.
            1. ser56 10 March 2020 13: 35 New
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              generally, white until September XNUMX were not just white, but also fluffy:

              in GV there are no bloodstained ones - this is a common thing, its logic! request That you are lower and confirm ... but the winners write the story, so they hollowed you at school that the red ones were innocent lambs ... and they were bleeding to the ears, worse than white ones! But it was the Reds who organized the October Revolution and thereby provoked a war ... I remind you that the WIL wrote about advance to the GV from imperialist in advance ... request
              1. Vladimir_2U 10 March 2020 16: 32 New
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                so you were hollowed out at school that red are innocent lambs

                This is a lie, excuse me, even in the school curriculum there were Lavrenev’s “41” and Sholokhov’s “Shibalkovo Seed”, there were no rubbing about red innocent lambs.
                Quote: ser56
                and they were bleeding to the ears, worse than white
                Even nonsense, especially if you recall Melgunov, the founder of "research" about the Red Terror,
                In the fight against the Bolsheviks, Melgunov became the head of the "Union of the Renaissance of Russia" and the "Tactical Center", from April 1919 he was forced to move even to a semi-legal position. During this period, Sergey Petrovich was subjected by the new government to 25 searches and 5 arrests.
                They’ve terrorized him awesomely, is it any kind of Bolshevik activist that you recall, who would have remained alive after 5 arrests? Yes, just suspected of sympathy for the red.
                Quote: ser56
                But it was the Reds who organized the October Revolution and thereby provoked a war
                What are you, and before that there was the February Revolution, and it was arranged by the "founding fathers" of the White Movement, they wanted to see the authorities, do you know how to deal with this? It was the February Revolution that was the prerequisite for anarchy and the subsequent decomposition of the army.
                Quote: ser56
                I recall that the WIL on the transition to GV from imperialist wrote in advance
                Which once again emphasizes the intelligence of Ilyich. Here are just a few:
                It was the February coup that was the prerequisite for anarchy and the subsequent decomposition of the army
                , and as Ilyich wrote:
                A revolution during a war is a civil war, and the transformation of a government war into a civil war, on the one hand, is facilitated by the military failures (“defeat”) of governments, and on the other hand, it is impossible to actually strive for such a transformation without thereby contributing to defeat.
                and the decomposition of the army is the merit of the February coup, and the actual defeat of the Republic of Ingushetia in the actually won PMV is also the merit of the generals who changed the oath to the tsar and, accordingly, the development of the defeats into a revolution, and then into the Civil War, is the merit of the white generals.
                1. ser56 11 March 2020 13: 25 New
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                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  there was no rubbing about the red innocent lambs.

                  then they studied poorly ... request
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Another big nonsense

                  the form of your statements speaks only of the absence of arguments ... request
                  White repressions a la Crimea-1920 did not suit, it looks especially cynical in the light of Frunze's promises ... I recommend reading more ...
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Yes, just suspected of sympathy for the red.

                  And this must be sought in the archives of the Cheka ... I recall the operations of the Syndicate type ...
                  By the way - Do you deny the Red Terror?
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Which once again emphasizes the intelligence of Ilyich.

                  for his admirers - no more ... and, I hope, you understand that you pleaded guilty to the Bolsheviks and the WIL personally in unleashing the GV in Russia? repeat
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  and the decomposition of the army - the merit of the February coup

                  if not a secret - did he publish Okopnoe Truth? bully Or what party did Dybenko belong to?
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  the actual defeat of the Republic of Ingushetia in the actually won WWI is also the merit of the generals who changed the oath to the tsar and, accordingly, the development of the defeats into a revolution, and then into the Civil War, is the merit of the white generals.

                  you have bad logic ... request after that, not because of this ... repeat
                  at the same time, it is strange to deny the guilt of the conspiracy of the generals, but is the defeat declared by you the Brussil breakthrough of 1916? How closest to February 1917? bully How boring you are, Short Course fans ... fool
          3. Vladimir_2U 10 March 2020 07: 50 New
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            Quote: ser56
            The Red Terror was declared on September 2, 1918 by Yakov Sverdlov in the appeal of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and confirmed by the decision of the Council of People's Commissars of September 5, 1918 as a response to the assassination of Lenin on August 30, as well as to the assassination on the same day by Leonid Kannegiser of the Petrograd Cheka Chairman Uritsky
            From the same wiki:
            Officially, the Red Terror was declared on September 5, 1918 by the Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR of 05.09.1918 "On the Red Terror" [18] and was terminated on November 6, 1918

            They forgot something about it.
            1. ser56 10 March 2020 13: 36 New
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              forgot about it.

              see above - I already gave you this quote ... bully
              1. Vladimir_2U 10 March 2020 16: 36 New
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                Quote: ser56
                see above - I already gave you this quote
                Well, a lie.
                Quote: ser56
                "The Red Terror was declared on September 2, 1918 by Yakov Sverdlov in the appeal of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and confirmed by the decision of the Council of People's Commissars of September 5, 1918 as a response to the assassination of Lenin on August 30, as well as to the assassination on the same day by Leonid Kannegiser of the Chairman of the Petrograd Cheka Uritsky."
                The end of the quote. Where is it about the official end of the Red Terror after only two months?
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Officially, the Red Terror was declared on September 5, 1918 by the Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR of 05.09.1918 "On the Red Terror" [18] and was terminated on November 6, 1918
                1. ser56 11 March 2020 13: 27 New
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                  Well, a lie.

                  fools in Russia ....
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Where is it about the official end of the Red Terror after only two months?

                  see above - I showed you that the Red Terror was already ... and the described terror of the Cossacks is not his cause, but the consequence ... request
  • mmaxx 4 March 2020 05: 57 New
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    Here it is. The Bolsheviks had a purposeful policy. And for whites there are isolated cases on the ground. Just think, chopped a couple of thousand mobiles.
    Yes, and Pokrovsky was severely punished - they already stopped talking to him. And the performers were not even told “phi” at all. Moreover, a Cossack is generally a separate nation.
  • Military Builder 4 March 2020 06: 09 New
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    "How delightful evening in Russia,
    Love, champagne, sunsets, alleys.
    Ah, summer is red, fun and walks.
    How delightful evening in Russia.
    Balls, beauties, footmen, cadets,
    And Schubert's waltzes, and the crunch of French bread.
    Love, champagne, sunsets, alleys.
    How delightful evening in Russia."
    .....

    somehow these "evenings" fade after reading
    1. ser56 5 March 2020 16: 08 New
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      these "evenings" fade after reading

      you confuse peace and war, and civil ... in fact, distort ... request
  • alavrin 4 March 2020 06: 47 New
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    I don’t know how Denikin and Wrangel disdained them and what they expressed, because a few months later Pokrovsky was once again promoted. (On April 4, 1919, by order of the Commander-in-Chief of the All-Union Socialist League, he was promoted to lieutenant general). 29 years old, by the way.
  • Zaurbek 4 March 2020 07: 19 New
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    The shots with the Igil executioners no longer seem particularly cruel .... and not religious fanatics, like ....
  • Aviator_ 4 March 2020 08: 06 New
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    Well, and then the Cossacks were offended by the "talkative", naive.
    1. Okolotochny 4 March 2020 13: 11 New
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      That is, if several hundred Cossacks participated in the executions, then it was necessary to “dispossess”, take away property and send “to the north” tens of thousands with their families?
      1. Looking for 4 March 2020 17: 19 New
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        Yes, there was a need.
        1. Okolotochny 4 March 2020 17: 34 New
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          Well what can I tell you - in your opinion, the elder sister of my mother died of starvation "CORRECTLY" in the village, which was included in the "Black boards of shame." Did my "great" great-grandfather disappear in the Kotlas area? The family (WHOLE, three children under nine, wife and husband) of my mother’s uncle “Right” died in the same village? I would look at you if your relatives experienced this. About people like you Lavrov said at the table, said quietly. Well, you get the point.
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            About people like you Lavrov said at the table, said quietly.

            worse - mankurts ... request
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            Well what can I tell you - in your opinion, the elder sister of my mother died of starvation "CORRECTLY" in the village, which was included in the "Black boards of shame." Did my "great" great-grandfather disappear in the Kotlas area? The family (WHOLE, three children under nine, wife and husband) of my mother’s uncle “Right” died in the same village? I would look at you if your relatives experienced this. About people like you Lavrov said at the table, said quietly. Well, you get the point.

            Judging by the fact that such massacres by the Cossacks were no longer repeated - right. More questions?
            1. Okolotochny 9 March 2020 19: 15 New
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              Lower your aplomb. Is it right when young children were dying? It is right? It’s bad that you didn’t have this, otherwise they wouldn’t shout like that on chicken.
              1. Doliva63 9 March 2020 19: 32 New
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                Lower your aplomb. Is it right when young children were dying? It is right? It’s bad that you didn’t have this, otherwise they wouldn’t shout like that on chicken.

                I have no aplomb. But after all, the Cossacks didn’t make other people's children die, right? So, the Soviet government did the right thing. I’m not saying that it’s good. How else? Again, Cossack revolts, again blood, lawlessness again? No thanks. Calmed down, and good. Or are you still on the other side of the barricades? So you will calm down already - capitalism in the yard, in fact, is your holiday. What you whine, I don’t understand.
                1. Okolotochny 9 March 2020 19: 56 New
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                  And, of course, you are one of those who shot hungry workers in Novocherkassk. And what, a hundred in the flow, so that others are not discouraged. And I do not whine, I live and work. And I don’t pour tears over the Communist Party. This is what a party of millions of members was, that even a thousand of them did not come out in its defense. Have you performed? And, they were scared, so sit and don’t whine. Here are people like you and have profiled, and now they are crying in Tyrnety.
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                    It’s funny to hear from you about the country, don’t you? According to the CPSU, I don’t pour tears, do not invent. And the fact that even in Novocherkassk, even in Tbilisi, even in Karabakh would have complied with the order is yes. For - the army, orders are not discussed. After execution, you can appeal if you do not agree. You probably know this without me.
    2. ser56 5 March 2020 16: 10 New
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      Quote: Aviator_
      and then the Cossacks were offended by the "talkative", naive.

      naive in believing the Bolsheviks and lay down their arms ... request
      and the destruction of% of the adult male population in Cossack regions is Sverdlov’s directive, i.e. policy of the Government of the RSFSR, not excesses ... hi
      1. Aviator_ 5 March 2020 19: 33 New
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        There is a book such, "Quiet Don" is called. Have you tried to read? About the "naive Cossacks" there too.
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          Quote: Aviator_
          Have you tried to read? About the "naive Cossacks" there too.

          I read it, and more than once ... I’ll remind you of the scene where the whites chopped up the captive reds and the reds shot the hostages - remember?
          1. Aviator_ 6 March 2020 16: 46 New
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            The Belokazaks did even more sophisticated - they drove the captive Reds through the villages where there were relatives of the murdered whites, while the captives were brutally killed by the "civilian population", and the White Cossacks themselves remained "clean." And after that, in the spring of 20, the Reds should feed the whole crowd who fled to Novorossiysk with humanitarian aid? By the way, they fled precisely because they feared retaliation. Naturally, there was a natural retaliation, but no one hung white on the square naked.
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              Quote: Aviator_
              at the same time, "civilians" brutally killed the prisoners, while

              and why did it kill? maybe this is revenge for the unrighteous?
              Quote: Aviator_
              after that, in the spring of 20, the Reds should feed the entire crowd who escaped to Novorossiysk with humanitarian aid

              then why talk about the horrors of GV? But all hung on white! Which as Zemlyachuk in the Crimea did not suit ... request
  • The leader of the Redskins 4 March 2020 08: 16 New
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    So much for the white bone ... It's scary to read such reports.
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      So much for the white bone ... It's scary to read such reports.

      By the way, about the "white bone":
      On the Don and in Zamosc
      Smoldering white bones
      There are breezes above the bones.
  • BAI
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    Well, where are the valiant monarchists justifying any crime of the whites?
    1. Alexander Suvorov 4 March 2020 08: 53 New
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      Don’t worry, now Olgovich will become sober and sad. He will quickly explain to everyone that all this is not true and the Bolshevik machinations ... laughing
      1. fighter angel 4 March 2020 10: 33 New
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        Alexander, very correctly, such articles had to be published for a long time.
        And more often.
        But now it seems to me that to our bulkhrustam, with the olgovich at the head, “though ssy in the eye is all God's dew” ... I have already spoken here repeatedly, and I will repeat it again.
        To all lovers of “lieutenants of the Golitsin and Obolensky Cornets,” I highly recommend going to the hero city of Volgograd, visiting the Tsaritsyn Museum of Defense, and looking at the dumb testimonies and facts of atrocities and atrocities of the unbridled White Guard.
        1. Diana Ilyina 4 March 2020 10: 58 New
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          Alexey hi ! I was in this museum, very intelligibly and clearly. A lot of documents about the defense of Tsaritsin, including and signed personally by Comrade Stalin. A very interesting museum.
          And about the Olgovich and Co., you are absolutely right. With this, at least the count on the head is comic, they will all bear their own nonsense.
          1. fighter angel 4 March 2020 14: 26 New
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            Diana, and you know, what a flourishing and prosperous city was Volgograd under the USSR?
            All plants worked, tractors were shipped in echelons, Barricades were overwhelmed with defense orders, Krasny Oktyabr was working ... Dry cargo ships and tankers were moving along the Volga. There was a ship repair and a mast factory ... There was practically everything in the shops, since the Hero City, the supply was a priority ... Tourist flows to Mamaev Kurgan, to the Panorama and Pavlov's House ... People lived, people worked! And received with dignity, apartments, cars ...
            And what about Volgograd now?
            And now, without tears, you simply can’t look at the city.
            The workshops of the plants are as after the Battle of Stalingrad, people are leaving, there are practically no prospects ...
            It is painful to look at it all. And it’s even more painful because there is no hope that Volgograd will ever be reborn and reach the level that was then under the USSR.
            Sorry, Diana, there are probably a lot of emotions.
            But something like that ...
            1. Diana Ilyina 4 March 2020 15: 02 New
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              Under the USSR, in Volgograd (and it is tempting to call Stalingrad) it was never possible, but three years ago we were with my husband. Specially went on an excursion. The sight is certainly sad. No, thank God the places of excursions are still more or less attractive, but here the city itself is something ... Already starting from the outskirts it seems that the war has only just ended. And from conversations with local taxi drivers, the picture is the way you described it. Such factories destroyed. It’s true that some kind of thing (I don’t remember exactly, but Red October roofing felts, Barricades roofing felts) seemed to say that it still worked for itself. But, in any case, compared with the industrial giant that it was under the USSR, the city now represents a miserable sight.
              And the same industrial Volzhsky, what remains of it? Does the GPZ-15 still work there or is the "beaver dead" too?
              1. Aviator_ 4 March 2020 18: 50 New
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                The "barricades" are still moving, I at the conference intersected with the people from there.
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                  And what kind of minuser was formed here that it saddens the work of the Volgograd enterprise "Barricades"? Not otherwise, the ancient Sumer became sober.
              2. fighter angel 5 March 2020 11: 56 New
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                Diana, you know how much I am in the subject, the Volga chemical complex seems to be working, but through a stump deck. Salaries are scanty, there are few orders, reduction, optimization ... shitty, in short. I won’t say anything about the Volzhsky pipe, it was on the rise in the late 90s, which I don’t know now.
                Just recently, the Volga Shipyard showed in the news, they made a light, special, transportable boat for pontoners to guide crossings. They said that it was being tested and everything should be fine ... Let's see, but so far nothing has been heard about him ... Honestly, I don’t know about the GPZ-15 at all ...
                Excuse me, is something connected with Volzhsky?
            2. parusnik 4 March 2020 20: 51 New
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              And now, without tears, you simply can’t look at the city.
              .... It’s for this bright day that the White Guards fought yesterday ...
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                Quote: parusnik
                .That is for this bright today and the White Guards fought yesterday ...

                and the Reds fought for collectivization and shooting 37g ... bully
              2. Reptiloid 5 March 2020 20: 45 New
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                Quote: parusnik
                And now, without tears, you simply can’t look at the city.
                .... It’s for this bright day that the White Guards fought yesterday ...
                not only did they fight like that, but they sent their people one way or another for subversive work. .... finally waited 90s
            3. ser56 5 March 2020 16: 12 New
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              Quote: fighter angel
              since the Hero City, supply was a priority

              but how to live in non-hero cities? In the sausage trains to sleep?
        2. Alexander Suvorov 4 March 2020 11: 15 New
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          fighter angel (Alex)
          Alexander, very correctly, such articles had to be published a long time ago. And more often.
          Aleksey, there are not so many such articles on VO. But there are a lot of articles by Oleinikov and Shpakovsky, two pseudo-historians of shifters. And not only in. Now anti-Sovietism is in trend. In this way, the current government is trying to legitimize its worthless existence, because there is nothing to be proud of compared to the Soviet period.
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            But the vast majority of people do not accept and will not accept this anti-Sovietism. Therefore, this trend is deflating.
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              Quote: denplot
              But the vast majority of people do not accept and will not accept this anti-Sovietism. Therefore, this trend is deflating.

              the people did not accept the Bolsheviks and did not defend them in 1991! Pseudo-red type Communist Party receive a ridiculous% of the vote ... so you live in empirical ... bully
              1. Reptiloid 5 March 2020 20: 56 New
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                For almost 30 years of post-Soviet “democratic” changes, the people have often regretted that there is no more Soviet power.
                Quote: ser56
                Quote: denplot
                But the vast majority of people do not accept and will not accept this anti-Sovietism. Therefore, this trend is deflating.

                the people did not accept the Bolsheviks and did not defend them in 1991! Pseudo-red type Communist Party receive a ridiculous% of the vote ... so you live in empirical ... bully
                1. ser56 6 March 2020 13: 08 New
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                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  the people more than once regretted that there was no longer Soviet power

                  somehow, by the results of the voting, this is not visible? request so this is nothing more than your Wishlist ... wink
            2. Reptiloid 5 March 2020 20: 51 New
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              Quote: denplot
              But the vast majority of people do not accept and will not accept this anti-Sovietism. Therefore, this trend is deflating.

              This trend will be blown away as the population sees new unfair laws and the contemptuous words of officials, with a huge difference in income
      2. denplot 4 March 2020 11: 21 New
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        And of course, first he will tell how in 37 the heroes of the Civil were shot. Even here will fly ..
    2. Okolotochny 4 March 2020 17: 37 New
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      I am not a monarchist. But saying a little higher on the branch of the militants .... artiodactyls adds supporters to them. In contrast, read for the artificial famine in the Kuban in the early 30s - "Black boards of shame." How do you comment there? There are no right-wingers in the Civil War, there were enough guilty parties on both sides, cases of executions, looting, and robberies as well.
  • Yamato1980 4 March 2020 09: 16 New
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    War is war, especially such as civil war. All the blame for such crimes rests entirely with the command, for it is their direct and rigorous duty to maintain strict discipline in the trusted troops. So, in fact, Denikin, Wrangel, etc. bear the same responsibility as this general Pokrovsky.
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    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    Actually, Diana has already answered you.

    And she can only sympathize with the lack of basic knowledge of the theory and ideology of Marxism and Leninism. Alas, there is no such thing now, although it may be a pity wink
    1. Ryazan87 4 March 2020 11: 35 New
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      Yes, Ilyich, by the way, was not particularly shy, and he wrote quite openly about, for example, the civil war.
      The author of the article wrote on the basis of Ratkovsky explicitly: "They learned about the massacre at the headquarters of the Volunteer Army from an agent report to the Special Counterintelligence Division of the General Staff Division under the Commander-in-Chief Armed forces of the South of Russia for November 1918"
      A small problem is that the All-Union Socialist League was formed on December 26, 1918.
      But if the author shares where the scan of Pokrovsky’s order came from, he would be very grateful.
  • bukhach 4 March 2020 12: 35 New
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    Recently I listened to Svanidze’s box about the events in Nikolaevsk-on-Amur, the sea was also blood, but there was even a foreign element (the Japanese) there. As I said with insight, I painted the horrors that were done not even by the Bolsheviks but by the anarchists but allies of the Reds. But about these crimes exclusively Against their own citizens from the side of the Cossack bastard, this shot will also vividly tell, not forgetting to mention their belonging to the Dobarmia?
  • fuxila 4 March 2020 13: 21 New
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    A terrible fratricidal war ... In my opinion, the best thing in his book “Enemies” was written about the events of that time by Yakov Lovich (Deutsch), Kolchak officer, son of the famous revolutionary Lev Deutsch:
    "To the violent, bloodshot, like an executioner, blood, drunk, cruel, wild 1918, come back from our days, reader.
    By the distant days when, as if having lost their minds, millions of Russian people swept over the sixth part of the earth's land, crumbling, chopping, shooting, robbing, raping each other; when the feat was near treason, the greatness of the soul - with its fall, holiness - with meanness, tenderness - with sadism; when everything turned upside down, it spun in a bloody tornado; when life cost nothing, when they trampled it in passing, not looking, indifferently, as if it was not human life, but a caterpillar crawling across the road ...
    By those distant days, when white or red came into the defeated city, when a layman dying from fear lurked behind dark windows and habitually waited for executions to begin, that they were approaching him and the search was already in the neighboring house; when corpses were strewn down the streets, when short and terrible dramas were seen by each lane, when pathetic words of mercy no longer touched anyone, the timid plea of ​​the wife, the tears of the mother; when they were shooting at the fence, and then there, at the corpse, they spat on the side and with an unsteady finger twisted the cigarette with satisfaction, making such a necessary, such a simple matter.
    By those distant days, when they eagerly searched for houses in a bottle, or jars of alcohol, right there on the street, grimacing and rather quacking, they were attached to them and gurgled their throats for a long time in the taiga, among the fierce frosts. They drank to save themselves from a cold, to save their body, drank to save their souls, intoxicate it so that it would not see corpses scattered along the street, so that it would not see female, desperate tears and snow splattered with blood. "
  • mmaxx 4 March 2020 15: 45 New
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    Which of the whites said something like: whites started as heroes, and ended like bandits. The Reds began in every way. There were beautiful-hearted idealists, but there were plenty of all kinds of bandits and monsters. But they ended in order. Therefore, in that chaos, they won. Organizational abilities are rendered higher. And level leadership considerations.
  • BAI
    BAI 4 March 2020 16: 20 New
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    There is another similar case.
    1. ser56 5 March 2020 16: 18 New
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      1) read the orders of Tukhachevsky in the suppression of the Tambov uprising of the peasants request
      2) Your paper is illiterate linden - white wrote on the old spelling ... bully
      1. BAI
        BAI 5 March 2020 22: 31 New
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        Your paper is illiterate linden - whites wrote on the old spelling

        Do you insert text on the old spelling into a modern slide? Let me ask you a curiosity: "What keyboard layout do you use?"
        1. ser56 6 March 2020 13: 10 New
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          Quote: BAI
          Do you insert text on the old spelling into a modern slide?
          pathetic excuse ... bully
          Quote: BAI
          What keyboard layout do you use

          you do not have a solid sign on the clave? Or i? bully
  • Sergey_Gr 5 March 2020 04: 34 New
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    Civil War - The Holocaust of Russia.
    1. Killed or deceased from wounds - 2 500 000 people
    2. Killed as a result of terror - 2 million people
    3. Died of epidemics or starvation - 6 million people.
    4. In total, 10 people died (of which killed: White Guards - 500 people, rebels - 000 people, Bolsheviks - 650 people;
    repressed or killed as a result of terror: Bolsheviks - 1 people, White Guards - 200 people, rebels - 000 people).
    5. Emigrated - 2 500 000 people.
  • Sugar Honeyovich 5 March 2020 13: 27 New
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    And again, Dostovalov:
    "... everywhere, both in Russia and abroad, they shouted about the atrocities of the red check and considered this one of the main trump cards of their propaganda. The population looked, compared and made conclusions. These conclusions, supported by our crazy robberies, were such that our retreating troops were often fired upon by residents of the villages we abandoned. "
  • ser56 5 March 2020 15: 55 New
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    "literally everyone began to despise him - both white and red. In many memoirs of participants in the White movement, Pokrovsky is listed exclusively as a bloodthirsty bastard."
    It would be nice to hear this in the memoirs of the Reds about the Countrywoman after her atrocities in the Crimea ... however, this was not!
    Far from the best people come to the surface in the GW, but the attitude of the Reds and the Whites is different!
    “from 1000 to 7000 killed.” there’s a big spread ... although there’s not much compared to Crimea ...
    1. Yamato1980 5 March 2020 18: 58 New
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      Yes, Bela Kun and his Countrywoman did business there, it is really scary to read.
  • Servisinzhener 7 March 2020 22: 59 New
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    It is useful to read this article with a dream of revolution. To know what happens after ...
    Although this is unlikely to help them. They are sincerely convinced that they are smarter than the French revolutionaries, leaders of the 1917 revolution. And even Libyans and Ukrainians, and even more so they are smarter. Do not remind them of the collapse of the USSR, "dumb scoops" did everything there.
    And our young and young revolutionaries will definitely succeed in prosperity and prosperity, and not just another massacre on the principle: "And who is now at a loss. Everyone wonders."
  • All adult human beings should know that ,, bipedal ,, (, homo sapiens ,,) includes not only people, but also “ordinary people”, (short, convenient and sensible ,,UFO,,). They are completely different. People serve Good, they serve Evil. People love their wives, girlfriends, nonhumans, use them, having come up with a contemptuous nickname -, heifers, ... People love people, nonhumans use them, incl. as raw materials for the production of soap, fertilizers, leather goods, perfumes ... People love Order, nonhumans impose a mess everywhere and in everything. And the order for n and x is a concentration camp for people (in the XXI century ,, fashionable ,, - electronic). And, to agree, it will not work! Waste of time. They need to be found in l and v and t.
    Our Orthodox ancestors 100 years ago, whites, UFOs defeated in the European part of Russia. 75 years ago, they defeated, brown, UFO .... And then .... the descendants of the glorious heroes, ate, the remains of Christian morality and lost PROTECTION. And ... everything! But, it’s about ... And the HISTORY OF PEOPLE continues. We will be people, we’ll be wheat, and not with tares, and God will grant Victory! Very simple. Earn - get it. ,, Passed ,, more than once
  • EvilLion 10 March 2020 15: 50 New
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    Tell me about the "horrors" of collectivization. And many offended were divorced, they do not understand why their fists, Cossacks, and the bourgeois did not like the people so much.