God, family, Russian people: Putin introduced amendments to the Constitution for consideration by the State Duma

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President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin submitted for consideration by the State Duma of the Russian Federation amendments to the country's main law - its Constitution. Their content has already become a subject of discussion in Russian society.

The document presented on 24 pages contains a number of amendments, conservatively sustained and capable of having a significant impact on the further development of the country's domestic and foreign policy. First, the president proposed an amendment to introduce into the Constitution of the Russian Federation a provision on the state-forming role of the Russian people. Thus, it will be emphasized at the constitutional level that Russia is primarily a state of the Russian people.



Secondly, despite the secular nature of the Russian state, the president proposed introducing the concept of “God” into the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

Russian Federation united by a millennium history, preserving the memory of the ancestors who transmitted to us the ideals and faith in God, as well as the continuity in the development of the Russian state, recognizes the historically established state unity,

- appears in the presidential amendment.

The initiative to mention God in the Constitution of the Russian Federation comes from Patriarch Kirill. As far back as February 2020, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church called for prayer to mention in the Russian fundamental law “such an exalted idea as what is faith in God.”

Thirdly, the Constitution of the Russian Federation proposes to consolidate the definition of a family as a union of a man and a woman. Obviously, this measure was required against the background of the ongoing wave of legalization of same-sex marriage in the world. Emphasizing in the Constitution that only a man and a woman can create a family, the president, therefore, proposes to deprive the supporters of same-sex marriages of the possibility of giving this form of relations the official status of the family, at least without changing the basic law of the country.

It is also proposed in the Constitution to consolidate the succession of the Russian Federation with respect to the Soviet Union on its territory, as well as in international obligations and treaties, and membership in international organizations.

Another item is proposed - on the veneration of the memory of the defenders of the Fatherland and the inadmissibility of a revision of their exploit. Prior to this, the Duma committee had already approved amendments to prohibit any alienation of territories that are part of Russia, as well as calls for alienation of territories.

Thus, the amendments of Vladimir Putin are clearly conservative, traditionalist in nature. The President intends to consolidate around himself supporters of traditional values ​​for which concepts such as the Russian people or family are sacred. But behind the amendments on the state-forming role of the Russian people or on the family as the union of a man and a woman, one can not notice a number of no less significant amendments that can fundamentally change the entire existing system of power.

So, in the Constitution of the Russian Federation the existence of the State Council, formed by the president of the country, can be fixed. It is also prescribed that the president will exercise overall leadership of the country, which in fact turns him into the head of the executive branch of Russia.


No less interesting is the proposal to include in the Constitution a provision on the inviolability of the former president of the Russian Federation. Although immunity was confirmed legally at the very beginning of the reign of Vladimir Putin, which was perceived by many as a desire to protect the then living Boris Yeltsin from possible criminal prosecution, now the immunity of ex-presidents will be included in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

It should be noted that the presidential amendments have already met with mixed reactions in Russian society, which is not surprising, given its very complex ethnic, religious structure, the polar political views of our fellow citizens and many other factors. So, the chairman of the Russian Muftis Council, Ravil Gainutdin, drew attention to the fact that one should not deviate from the wording about the multinational people of Russia, and also emphasized that the concept of “God” is perceived differently by different faiths: Jews, for example, prohibit mentioning his name in vain, and to Buddhists the idea of ​​a creator God is generally alien.

For many proponents of secular values, amendments such as the mention of God can be seen as attempts to archaize the country's fundamental law with all the ensuing consequences. However, among the main part of the population, the attitude towards a possible change in the Constitution of the Russian Federation is rather passive-calm: there are neither pronounced enthusiasm nor manifestations of discontent.

In any case, the Russians will be able to express their attitude to the amendments to the Constitution by voting on April 22, 2020 for or against the amendments. If more than 50% of those who came to the referendum support the amendments, they will be adopted.
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  1. -66
    3 March 2020 09: 37
    I fully FOR such amendments.
    1. +87
      3 March 2020 09: 41
      Quote: seti
      I fully FOR such amendments.

      Do you think that the president should not be held responsible after the end of his term? Personally, this item does not suit me at all .. Won a hunchbacked country and lives happily ever after with a pension of 600 tons.
      1. -52
        3 March 2020 09: 53
        Hunchback was not the president of the Russian Federation. Yeltsin has long spread. So far we have one President. Do you disagree with this? Don't you agree for dad / mom / baby? For the fact that the Russian people are state-forming? For the veneration of the Defenders of the Fatherland?

        You can also find fault with the post, but personally I like such corrections and you would need to spit in the well - you are always unhappy with something judging by the comments.
        1. +39
          3 March 2020 10: 03
          Quote: seti
          You can also find fault with the post but personally I like such amendments

          No, I do not specifically agree with the paragraph on the responsibility of the president. And the points about God and the State Council are not entirely clear to me. The rest I agree.
          1. +80
            3 March 2020 10: 04
            24 pages of new amendments and God there too! It seems that they have decided to make everything in the Constitution! Accidentally, the rules of the SDA to make there no one suggested?

            Who knows why they decided to talk the Constitution?
            And confirmation of the existence of God in the basic law of a country that considers itself secular is generally beyond the bounds.
            1. +58
              3 March 2020 10: 23
              God may be, only what relation does the ROC and the current government have to it?
              1. +36
                3 March 2020 10: 45
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                God may be, only what relation does the ROC and the current government have to it?

                But what about the fact that it is under the Constitution that the church is separated from the state. Why did you need additional display of God in the Basic Law of the country?
                I am sure that God, if he is, hardly needs support in the form of the Constitution. And to describe God, the Bible and the Koran are enough.
                1. +15
                  3 March 2020 10: 49
                  But in any way, the Constitution also has nothing to do with God. ))) But after all, the Americans have a god in their constitution and even on the dollar, how could our powers that be pass by this? This is something good from the world experience that goes by, and some kind of stupidity is immediately being dragged into Russia.
                  1. +19
                    3 March 2020 10: 56
                    Only God is different for everyone.
                    Who believes in Magomed, who in Allah, who in Jesus
                    Whoever does not believe in anything, even to hell to spite everyone (V. Vysotsky)

                    Why should I introduce this into the Constitution? Zadolbali priests already without soap in all not modest places to climb. Little Gundya dough, also need to crawl into the Constitution. What about other religions? We will all enter into the Constitution or what?
                    1. -23
                      3 March 2020 11: 20
                      ,, And what about the other religions? We will all enter into the Constitution or what ?,


                      “The Danilovskaya Hotel hosted a joint meeting of the Interreligious Council of Russia and the Christian Interfaith Advisory Committee. These two unions include the entire spectrum of religious organizations in the Russian Federation.

                      The main religious organizations (Christian, Muslim, Buddhist and Jewish) of the country, gathered at the invitation of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill for a general meeting, discussed amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation. The discussion resulted in a joint communique.

                      God must be returned to the Constitution of the country ,,
                      1. +34
                        3 March 2020 11: 26
                        Nick Russ (Nick Russ)
                        God must be returned to the Constitution of the country ,,
                        What do you mean "returned", and he was there at all? When?
                        And then, with some fright, what are there
                        The main religious organizations (Christian, Muslim, Buddhist and Jewish)
                        will they decide something for me? I did not authorize them, like most people.
                        If you personally want to fasten another collar in the form of the Russian Orthodox Church on your neck, then this is purely your problem. Even without the Russian Orthodox Church, I have enough problems; I’m missing just one more parasite to plant on my neck.
                      2. -36
                        3 March 2020 11: 32
                        ,, I did not authorize them, like most people. ,,

                        And you are responsible for yourself. For others it is not necessary.
                      3. +27
                        3 March 2020 11: 42
                        Remind me at least one version of the current Constitution of Russia where God was mentioned before "returning" something. And I did not authorize these religious leaders either.
                      4. -29
                        3 March 2020 11: 59
                        “Remind me at least one version of the current Constitution of Russia where God was mentioned before something" returned ". And I did not authorize these religious figures either.



                        ,, The Constitution is the constituent document of the state, which sets out the main goals of creating the state. ,,

                        ,, In 1905-1906, the Basic State Laws of the Russian Empire were adopted, which in fact became the first constitution of Russia. ,,
                      5. +22
                        3 March 2020 12: 03
                        You gave a weak quote, it beats easily.
                        The set of basic state laws of 1906 was published by the All-Russian Emperor and was never adopted either by the people or by people's representatives
                        Without saying that autocracy and the Constitution in principle contradict each other.
                      6. +6
                        3 March 2020 13: 50
                        There is such a thing as an octroized Constitution. That is, the Constitution granted by the monarch. The main state laws were not quite the Constitution, but already something on the way to it. And, strictly speaking, autocracy in the late meaning of this word (I will not go into the discussion, which was originally understood as autocracy) was no longer after their adoption. Although Nicholas II persistently called himself an autocrat.) Russia became a dualistic monarchy, with very strong emperor power. Executive power remained with him. But legislative power was divided between the emperor, the Duma and the State Council.
                      7. +3
                        3 March 2020 13: 56
                        Interestingly, thank you, sorry sorry for a bit of late in the Russian Empire. ((
                      8. +2
                        3 March 2020 13: 52
                        There is also the Constitution of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, an absolute monarchy, which is slowly transforming into a dualistic monarchy.
                      9. +8
                        3 March 2020 14: 54
                        Dragging god to the Constitution signifies the merger of the Church with the state and subsequent the collapse of the country on religious and national grounds.

                        It is a there is at its core an implementation from under the floors of Putin and Cyril of the ROC is nothing but implementation of the content of the plans of the Harvard and Houston projects of the West to divide the USSR / RF.
                        Moreover, for the collapse of the country, the presidents of Russia LIVE will not have any criminal responsibility - even after their resignation!

                        All presidents of the country - Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Medvedev, Putin and the presidents of the national title administrative-territorial entities - they will never and for nothing be held accountable to the people in criminal terms even after their resignation.
                        They are UNMILLERS !!!

                        At the same time, political technologists are pretending that there is supposedly no betrayal at the very “top” and that Gorbachev is not an example of this.

                        Personally, I DO NOT NEED such a Constitution of the Russian Federation!
                        I will vote AGAIN!

                        Gorbachev is an ordinary American agent. • Jul 13 2013 year
                      10. -1
                        3 March 2020 15: 16
                        Not everything is going smoothly about the alleged solution of the Russian question in the country through amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

                        It should also be noted that with the amendment on God and on the LIFE of the criminally punishable liability of the Presidents of the Russian Federation amendment on the introduction of the Constitution of the Russian Federation about the situation of the Russian people as historically the state of the forming people in the form of an allegedly long-awaited decision on the Russian question in the country since the time of 1917-1922, WILL NOT WORK IN THE FIELDS !!! Namely.

                        In fact, the amendment on the LIFETIME IMPACITY of the presidents of the USSR / RF and the amendment on God will in fact completely neutralize the solution of the Russian question in the titular national administrative-territorial formations with increasing interethnic tension in the country.
                        The amendment of the Constitution of the Russian Federation on the solution of the Russian issue in the Russian Federation is intended by political technologists only to push through the majority of the votes of the Russian population the amendment on the lifelong irresponsibility of the country's presidents and on God.

                        This is just a “bait” - a deceit — on the part of those in power at the very “top” to get in their personal favor a LIVING criminally punishable power in the country and in its titular national-territorial formations.
                      11. +7
                        3 March 2020 17: 34
                        Dragging God into the Constitution signifies the merger of the Church with the state and the subsequent disintegration of the country on a religious and national basis.



                        Do you even bother to read the amendment attentively, or else pull God into dismemberment. The country did not collapse from the words in the constitution "secular (atheistic) state", although it infringes on the rights of believers.
                      12. -2
                        5 March 2020 00: 09
                        You may not have noticed, but the previous state of the USSR fell apart not so long ago. There in the constitution instead of ... was the CPSU. Even in that country, churches were destroyed specially, priests were killed. Satanism. It is clear that the amendment about ... was proposed to be brought to the vote, but how they propose to honor at the same time ... and those ancestors who did it. Nonsense
                      13. -5
                        5 March 2020 02: 02
                        Quote: krops777
                        At least you carefully bother to read the amendment, and then already attract God to the dismemberment

                        Because there are reasons for this.

                        SCANDANDIC FILM ABOUT ORTHODOX. • Published: Jan 5. 2020
                      14. -3
                        5 March 2020 11: 05
                        But the past recent history of the USSR / Russian Federation tells the people about what presidents we had, so that no Presidents of the Russian Federation will ever be LIVED under the Constitution of the Russian Federation to be exempted from CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY!

                        Korzhakov on the crimes of Yeltsin, Sobchak and Kremlin secrets • May 13, 2019
                      15. +14
                        3 March 2020 12: 08
                        Nick Russ (Nick Russ)
                        And you are responsible for yourself. For others it is not necessary.
                        Well, so do not go to the rest with your superstitions. I, too, did not authorize anyone, there is something for me and my children to decide. So there are so many of us here.
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                      17. +23
                        3 March 2020 13: 44
                        The Russian Federation, united by a thousand-year history, preserving the memory of the ancestors who transmitted to us ideals and faith in God,
                        Personally, no one has conveyed faith in God to me. I can completely do without. Statistics clearly show that there is an overwhelming majority of non-believers in the country. The President and Shoigu may believe as much as they please, but what have I got to do with it? Why are they trying to make an Orthodox analogue of Somalia and Iran out of the country? Only theocracy was not enough: already on all channels - priests, mullahs, padre and rabbi, in parliament - they are the same ... The Ministry of Education for a year in a row admits to print the most vile textbook "Orthodox Biology" by Vertyanov ... What's next? Auto-da-fe? The Inquisition? "There is no power, if not from God"? If we talk about historical and cultural continuity, then we all come from the USSR, in which church and government were clearly separated.
                        As you wish, I won’t go to my own children and grandchildren to vote and put priests on my neck with my own hands.
                      18. -28
                        3 March 2020 14: 01
                        ,, Statistics clearly show: the vast majority of unbelievers in the country ,,

                        It's a lie.
                      19. +2
                        4 March 2020 12: 18
                        Quote: Nick Russ
                        It's a lie.

                        Alas, it’s true.
                        How many of those who call themselves Orthodox will be able to read the Creed for memory? wink
                      20. -3
                        4 March 2020 12: 24
                        There are different degrees of faith. But here the question is not this, but whether the person believes at all or not. Yes or no.
                      21. +5
                        4 March 2020 23: 08
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        How many of those who call themselves Orthodox will be able to read the Creed for memory?

                        I and Psalm 90, "Alive in help ..." I can read from memory, but is this measured by faith? request
                      22. -16
                        3 March 2020 15: 19
                        Quote: astepanov
                        Nobody personally conveyed faith in God to me personally. I completely do without. Statistics clearly show: the vast majority of unbelievers in the country.

                        Where, who and when did the survey take place?
                        Quote: astepanov
                        Only theocracy was lacking

                        Read the meaning of the word theocracy.
                        Quote: astepanov
                        and so already on all channels - priests, mullahs, padres and rabbis

                        Already on the Savior and sometimes on Russia 24. Or are you looking at Al-Jazeera?
                        Quote: astepanov
                        in parliament - they are

                        What are your last names?
                        Quote: astepanov
                        If we talk about historical and cultural continuity, then we all come from the USSR

                        Yeah. Everything is direct. Directly our ancestors were born in the USSR and all our children.
                        Quote: astepanov
                        As you wish, I won’t go to my own children and grandchildren to vote and put priests on my neck with my own hands.

                        But at least one of you is able to ponder what you are going to write in the constitution or don’t know how to read, or don’t want to think? What does it mean to sit on the neck? What is religious tax imposed? Just some kind of nonsense.
                      23. +2
                        3 March 2020 21: 55
                        Quote: CSKA
                        But at least one of you is able to ponder what you are going to write in the constitution or don’t know how to read, or don’t want to think? What does it mean to sit on the neck? What is religious tax imposed? Just some kind of nonsense

                        You are absolutely right. hi
                      24. -1
                        4 March 2020 21: 09
                        Everyone deep down knows that there is a God.
                      25. -1
                        5 March 2020 00: 16
                        You asked a good question about pondering :) a little more and you may admit that in order to ponder you need to have time and material to ponder. Of course, independent media would certainly listen to different points of view, but oh well :) Over time, everything is clear - the president is in a catastrophic hurry and will not give time to think. With the material, there was a clarity of -20+ pages of revisions to the basic law. In my opinion it sounds very funny :)
                      26. -3
                        3 March 2020 17: 45
                        Really from a test tube? And my ancestors were all believers. Do not panic, your neck is not so attractive ....
                      27. +8
                        3 March 2020 14: 11
                        You’re talking here, but we’ll all come to a vote and fail these stupid amendments to the constitution.
                      28. -23
                        3 March 2020 14: 13
                        The flag is in your hands. If 10% of opponents are typed, it will already be a victory for you.
                      29. +8
                        3 March 2020 15: 20
                        Yes, you are a Western spy who wants the collapse of Russia, if you want such a constitution for our country (I intentionally wrote such a constitution with a small letter). Next will be only the State Council, consisting of the elders and the Revolution. Is there anyone thinking about the future of our country?
                      30. -15
                        3 March 2020 16: 25
                        ,, Yes, you are a Western spy who wants the collapse of Russia, if you want such a constitution for our country (I intentionally wrote such a constitution with a small letter). Next will be only the State Council, consisting of the elders and the Revolution. Is there anyone thinking about the future of our country ?,

                        I’m just one of those who want Western ideologies (communism and liberalism) to disappear from Russia.
                        And traditional Christian values ​​returned, which have a thousand-year history in Russia.
                      31. 0
                        4 March 2020 07: 31
                        What a millennium ??? !!! Now 7528 cmx! Here it is our story, and not when apostate Prince Vladimir baptized Russia.
                      32. +3
                        3 March 2020 19: 54
                        Nick, do not worry. You will win. Normal people in big top spectators. And you are a participant. And all the amendments will pass. No wonder they painted them all last summer. I wish you 99% approval of the amendments (in the Czech Republic it will be so) the brainless census will take place on April 22.
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                      34. +20
                        3 March 2020 14: 44
                        They will sort it out with the Gods, because the republics have their own Constitution and can amend it regarding national features in matters of faith, without entering into special contradiction with the main Constitution. Suppose someone is against God in the Constitution and on this basis will not vote, but what about those amendments that relate to family support and, accordingly, a ban on weddings for homosexuals, or the same ban on holding state posts by clever wallets with dual citizenship or to reside in the same USA, England and other European neighborhoods? They are now in governors, ministerial chairs and deputies' corps, not dozens, but hundreds. What about these demons? The problem is simply that you will have to vote for all the amendments in bulk, and not on the points when the people would have the opportunity to hack to death some amendment and support some. After that, the Constitution would include only those amendments that received the greatest popular support. And so most likely the bulletin will have one question - Do you support the amendments to the Constitution? And there are two possible answers - "Yes" or "No".
                      35. +15
                        3 March 2020 15: 20
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        It's just that the problem is that you will have to vote for all amendments in bulk, and not point by point, when the people would have the opportunity to cut some amendment and support some.

                        Fiercely plus. The feeling is that a wholesale vote is being held so that among the sane, but pi purely declarative amendments, some kind of muck is burying.
                      36. +17
                        3 March 2020 16: 33
                        Quote: astepanov
                        Fiercely plus. The feeling is that a wholesale vote is being held so that among the sane but purely declarative amendments bury some muck

                        Moreover, such an interesting fork turns out .. Either the president is not a judge with a life board, or officials with dual citizenship ... choose .. that is, if you are against a life and not a court president, then it’s automatic for dual citizenship for officials .. It’s not possible in one package vote, the vote should be point by point .. But I feel they’ll still drag what they need ..
                      37. +3
                        3 March 2020 16: 58
                        But I feel they’ll drag what they need anyway ..

                        Yes, you’ve said everything correctly. This is exactly what the batch voting will be for.
                        Although there should not be a vote but a referendum.
                      38. -2
                        3 March 2020 17: 59
                        Very few are able to generally evaluate such a complex document, and therefore it is determined which bodies will approve it. We must support the positive changes that each of us likes. Categorical judgments - an unhealthy syndrome of undergrowth.
                      39. +1
                        4 March 2020 12: 20
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Moreover, such an interesting plug turns out .. Either the president is not a judge with a life board, or officials with dual citizenship ... choose ..

                        Everything is classic: "Two chairs are standing ...laughing
                      40. +3
                        3 March 2020 16: 41
                        So one of them has already been buried. The minimum wage is equal to the cost of living. All extinguish the light, drain the water. This amendment alone is enough that I am against
                      41. -8
                        3 March 2020 19: 56
                        What's so bad about that? Skoko earned, so much and a minimum. One has 9500 rubles, the other has millions. To each his own minimum laughing
                      42. +4
                        3 March 2020 23: 31
                        Nyrobsky:
                        most likely the newsletter will have one question - Do you support amendments to the Constitution?

                        Moreover, representatives of the AP, Federation Council and the State Duma have already spoken about this - it will be so.
                        Remember the joke about two questions put by Stalin on the agenda: 1) To shoot the Supreme Council; 2) Paint the mausoleum green?
                        Even before the amendments are adopted, their number will be halved, and even quarter. The mass media will be shaken by amendments about God and the Russian people, but about, for example, lifelong indulgence - no, no!
                        What do you think, what proportion of voters represents what they vote for?
                        And further. And what will happen if the voting result is unexpected?
                        (Well it is, a thought experiment)
                      43. +3
                        4 March 2020 16: 29
                        For me, it will be unexpected to vote on each item separately laughing
                      44. -13
                        3 March 2020 12: 49
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        Well, so do not go to the rest with your superstitions. I, too, did not authorize anyone, there is something for me and my children to decide. So there are so many of us here.

                        Glory to the CPSU! Hooray comrades! Feel free to keep up with your comrades! .... Personally, I’m tired of keeping up with the Gorbachevs and other members ... of the CPSU .. In the army this is understandable, but in life you should leave behind walking!
                      45. +1
                        3 March 2020 18: 59
                        You offer the Law of the Jungle.
                      46. +4
                        3 March 2020 20: 55
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        You offer the Law of the Jungle.

                        I suggest not imposing your opinion on another person. If I do not like brunettes am and you love love , this does not mean that everyone should love brunettes! drinks Not everything should be monotonous !! crying The law of the jungle was in the "gay" nineties. wassat
                      47. +3
                        3 March 2020 22: 25
                        The law of the jungle was in the "gay" nineties
                        Liberalism is the law of the jungle. All these rights and freedoms, when everyone is for himself. I have the right, and do not care about the rest.
                      48. -3
                        4 March 2020 08: 27
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        The law of the jungle was in the "gay" nineties
                        Liberalism is the law of the jungle. All these rights and freedoms, when everyone is for himself. I have the right, and do not care about the rest.

                        But under developed socialism they were very fond of leading a person's life, right down to how to make love with his wife! And God forbid you don't fit into the rules! Will be called to the desk. meeting and begin to advise how and how many times. warn for the first time, punish for the second time (bonus, apartment, kindergarten, queue for a car) If you don’t obey, you do not live according to the rules of the builder of communism. . I, of course, slightly exaggerate the process ... But the essence is the same .. And then all these teachers of the "correct" life, according to the code of the builder of communism, betrayed us and grabbed themselves "national" property, and now they live the way they like and where they I like it ... And they always didn’t care about the people! Careerists and bastards!. And for them we are rubbish, dirt ... And therefore immoral liberalism is more honest than deceitful socialism that cares about your "morality".
                      49. 0
                        6 March 2020 14: 16
                        Therefore, immoral liberalism is more honest than a deceitful one who cares about your "morality" "socialism

                        You don’t know anything about liberalism, the concrete embodiment of which is implemented in the states, so -
                        -A mandatory dress code of their own in corporations, schools, corporate ethics.
                        - Mandatory adherence to a set of rules in school, otherwise not build a career, behavior is
                        determining for the further career of an individual.
                        - accumulation of reputation and personality portfolio
                        -credit history
                        It can be concluded that a complex society requires a control system, and complete freedom is possible among animals.
                      50. -10
                        3 March 2020 15: 10
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        Well, so do not go to the rest with your superstitions. I, too, did not authorize anyone, there is something for me and my children to decide. So there are so many of us here.

                        I see you all yourself here as some kind of kings imagined? Authorize or not someone. Where are you most? In which place?
                      51. +6
                        3 March 2020 22: 01
                        Quote: CSKA
                        Where are you most? In which place?

                        Here, in this thread. laughing
                      52. -2
                        7 March 2020 00: 30
                        Yes, I would not say that most ...
                      53. +36
                        3 March 2020 12: 14
                        I support Alexander Suvorov. He is right. Russia is a secular state. "To Caesar what is Caesar's, but God's things to God." If people believe in God, they go to the temple, read the Bible, the Koran and other religious books and prayers, rather than read the constitution.
                      54. -14
                        3 March 2020 15: 24
                        ,, If people believe in God, they go to the temple, read the Bible, the Quran and other religious books and prayers, and do not read the constitution. ,,

                        People without your advice will figure out what to read and not to read.
                      55. +18
                        3 March 2020 16: 25
                        Quote: Nick Russ
                        People without your advice will figure out what to read and not to read.

                        Where did you see in my commentary advice to people what to read and why not to read? Or do you have special eyesight, to see that which is not?
                      56. -7
                        3 March 2020 16: 29
                        I apologize. This is not advice, but a statement. That is, you know for others what to do.
                        That's better? wink
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                      59. +11
                        3 March 2020 12: 45
                        I agree with you! Practice shows that any "improvements", innovations in laws (including now in the Constitution) only lead to an increase in tax and other burden on the population of the country! Preparing the basis for a new tax ... on God?
                      60. +8
                        3 March 2020 12: 55
                        Prepare the base for a new tax ... on God?

                        Just as yesterday there was a proposal to introduce a tax on the maintenance of a dog house. So I won’t be surprised.
                        There will also be a tax on air, depending on the volume of the lungs. Those. progressive.
                      61. +8
                        3 March 2020 14: 56
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Just as yesterday there was a proposal to introduce a tax on the maintenance of a dog house. So I won’t be surprised.

                        When you leave the entrance in the spring and you have to go to any destination along the sidewalks with dog excrement that has accumulated over the winter, you must not only introduce a tax on dogs, you must also legalize the obligatory ritual spring beating of dog owners under the supervision of doctors and police, which to drive into their heads the culture of keeping four-legged friends. I don’t blame the dogs, they just got such owners.
                      62. +8
                        3 March 2020 15: 00
                        By the way, an example from Spain.
                        A policeman can easily approach a person who is walking a dog and ask them to present items for cleaning dog excrement. If they are not there - a fine.
                        Here I completely agree with you.
                        But introducing a tax is too much.
                      63. +6
                        3 March 2020 15: 12
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Here I completely agree with you.
                        But introducing a tax is too much.

                        This is controversial, at least a topic for discussion. Today, for the maintenance of dog kennels for four-legged vagrants from the budgets of the republics and regions, an amount is spent under a billion rubles. The source of replenishment of the ranks of "vagabonds" are citizens who relate to the maintenance of their dogs, to put it mildly, nasty and irresponsible, so why not shift part of the budget costs for overexposing and sterilizing tailed beasts to those who are the culprit of their situation?
                        And the Spanish experience must be implemented with us! Perfect solution!
                      64. +3
                        4 March 2020 08: 18
                        and if they paid the tax, you will be more pleasant to walk on the sidewalks the same crap, Dmitry?) Well, yes ... so that at least they would not crap on the sidewalks, I would support a fine for such owners ..
                      65. +1
                        4 March 2020 13: 27
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        and if they paid the tax, would you prefer to walk on the sidewalks with the same crap, Dmitry?)
                        You see Nikolai, the question is not whether it is more pleasant or not more pleasant, but that it will be fairer this way, and in the future will reduce the number of spontaneous dog lovers, like today "sniffed" took the dog, and a week later "got bored" and threw the dog out into the street. This tax burden and the introduction of fines for violating the rules of walking will lead dog owners to understand that in addition to the pet, they also take on some responsibility, as a result, there will be less shit and stray dogs on the streets.
                      66. -1
                        3 March 2020 18: 11
                        Almost all childless keep dogs and cats (observations).
                      67. +3
                        3 March 2020 22: 08
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        When you leave the doorway in the spring and you have to go to any destination along the sidewalks with dog excrement that has accumulated throughout the winter, you must not only introduce a tax on dogs, you must also legalize the obligatory ritual spring beating of dog owners under the supervision of doctors and police, which to drive into their heads the culture of keeping four-legged friends

                        Dog excrement is 100% processed by nature, unlike cigarette butts that dot the same points ... It's not about the dogs and their owners, it's about the general culture and upbringing. You do not smoke? wink
                      68. +5
                        3 March 2020 23: 23
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        When you leave the doorway in the spring and you have to go to any destination along the sidewalks with dog excrement that has accumulated throughout the winter, you must not only introduce a tax on dogs, you must also legalize the obligatory ritual spring beating of dog owners under the supervision of doctors and police, which to drive into their heads the culture of keeping four-legged friends

                        Dog excrement is 100% processed by nature, unlike cigarette butts that dot the same spots ... Do you not smoke? wink
                        I smoke like a shoemaker. But on the balcony and in the kitchen, I have two coffee cans under my cigarette butts, which I pour into a bag as they fill up and throw it into the garbage chute. I try not to smoke on the go. On a fishing trip, I also store "deceased" cigarette filters in a bag, where packages from cheese and sausages are added, containers from bloodworms and maggots, which are taken out to the nearest trash can. When hunting, garbage is burned in a fire. I kept dogs (husky Russian-Europeans +1 volkosobka) all my adult life, with the exception of the last 7 years, when I moved from the North to the center of Russia, but I had them in an open-air cage and were not involved in walks in the settlement. The exit was always on a leash, to the forest (1,5 km), after which the will is free. Now without them. I miss you. But looking at what is going on in terms of keeping and walking pets in cities claiming to be the "pearls" of the Golden Ring of Russia, I note with regret that with the arrival of spring these cities clearly do not get to "gold", all around there is only dog ​​shit.
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        It's not about the dogs and their owners, business in general culture and education.
                        So I'm talking about the same ....
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        it’s necessary not only to introduce a tax on dogs, but also to legalize the obligatory ritual-spring beating of dog owners under the supervision of doctors and police, to drive into their heads the culture of keeping four-legged friends. I don’t blame the dogs, they just got such owners.
                        hi
                      69. 0
                        3 March 2020 23: 29
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        I smoke like a shoemaker.

                        16 years as threw. Now I don’t understand why I smoked? hi
                      70. +4
                        4 March 2020 00: 03
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        I smoke like a shoemaker.

                        16 years as threw. Now I don’t understand why I smoked? hi

                        I have been working as a smoker for 41 years, now I have a cough and am also inclined to think about starting this business. Maybe someday, like you, I will ask the question, who smoked for so many years? hi
                      71. -1
                        4 March 2020 10: 38
                        The same story. Children’s illnesses (and smoking is a child’s illness) must be ill in childhood. After reaching 30 years, smoking is no longer necessary, and I smoked for 20 years,. Not only that, at least I smoked a car (2 bucks a day x7300 days = $ 14600), so how much harm to my health I did if I coughed for another 2 years after quitting.
                      72. 0
                        3 March 2020 15: 35
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Just as yesterday there was a proposal to introduce a tax on the maintenance of a dog house. So I won’t be surprised.

                        TV shows "Dom-2"?
                      73. +4
                        3 March 2020 16: 04
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        There will also be a tax on air, depending on the volume of the lungs. Those. progressive.

                        There is still a need to think about the coefficients, introduce increases for warm air, clean air and canned air. again, air humidity must be taken into account.
                        But I suggest that the government introduce an excise tax on atmospheric pressure. Easy to administer and assemble. Everyone is already paying here!
                      74. -3
                        4 March 2020 08: 14
                        the air is already there, an environmental charge is called ..
                      75. -4
                        3 March 2020 14: 14
                        No, they’ll just put all the priests on state security.
                      76. for
                        0
                        3 March 2020 16: 02
                        Quote: Yngvar
                        Prepare the base for a new tax ... on God?

                        And then to allocate church money to fight extreme sports from the budget (Samara obd.)
                        https://63.ru/text/culture/69013063/
                      77. +6
                        3 March 2020 16: 28
                        Quote: for
                        And then allocate money to the church to fight extreme sports from the budget (Samara Obd.) Https://63.ru/text/culture/69013063/

                        Money is already allocated and confidently mastered, and military bands in action!
                      78. +3
                        3 March 2020 18: 07
                        They would take care of their own well-being with righteous works - without this, under any Constitution, there would be no good.
                      79. +5
                        3 March 2020 12: 57
                        Dragging God into the Constitution signifies the merger of the Church with the state and the subsequent disintegration of the country on religious and national grounds.
                        This is essentially the implementation of the ROC from under the floor of Putin and Cyril, but the implementation of the content of the plans of the Harvard and Houston projects of the West to divide the USSR / RF.
                        Moreover, the presidents of Russia will not have any criminal responsibility for the collapse of the country - even after their resignation!
                        All the presidents of the country - Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin and the presidents of the national titular administrative-territorial formations will never and for nothing be held accountable to the people in criminal terms even after their resignation. They are UNMILLERS !!!

                        Personally, I DO NOT NEED such a Constitution of the Russian Federation!
                        I will vote AGAIN!
                      80. -3
                        3 March 2020 15: 25
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Dragging God into the Constitution signifies the merger of the Church with the state and the subsequent disintegration of the country on religious and national grounds.
                        This is essentially the implementation of the ROC from under the floor of Putin and Cyril, but the implementation of the content of the plans of the Harvard and Houston projects of the West to divide the USSR / RF.

                        ))))) Well, it all started. They stomped on conspiracy theories
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        and the presidents of the national titular administrative-territorial entities will never and for nothing be held accountable to the people in criminal terms even after their resignation.

                        No one is going to write anything about the presidents of territorial entities.
                      81. +1
                        3 March 2020 20: 27
                        Quote: CSKA
                        No one is going to write anything about the presidents of territorial entities.

                        They themselves will bring this into their constitutions of the titular national administrative-territorial entities. You can not doubt it!

                        The 1993 Constitution of the Russian Federation was written by American special services from the US Democratic Party. And the US Democratic Party is a party representing the interests of various kinds of minorities and their domination over the majority in the country.
                      82. +1
                        3 March 2020 22: 16
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        representing the interests of various kinds of minorities and their domination over the majority in the country.

                        These very minorities are the first opponents of God. I hope you are not one of them? You fight so fiercely against God in your posts ... feel
                      83. -2
                        3 March 2020 22: 25
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        representing the interests of various kinds of minorities and their domination over the majority in the country.
                        These very minorities are the first opponents of God. I hope you are not one of them? You fight so fiercely against God in your posts ... feel

                        Do not translate the issues of the dominance of the national-chauvinistic policy of national minorities in the Russian Federation over the state forming the Russian people in the USSR / RF in the national legal, religious and atheistic-secular plan only exclusively for the taboo interests of the LGBT community!
                        Do not pretend demagogically that you do not understand what is at stake!

                        As for the church in the West, now in the churches of Western religious denominations the same sex marriage is beautifully consecrated!
                      84. -3
                        3 March 2020 22: 34
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        the selfish interests of the LGBT community!

                        One of the main interests of the LGBT community is the struggle against God. And those who engage in rebellion, and especially in public, are the first ally of the LGBT community. I thought you know ... feel
                      85. +1
                        3 March 2020 22: 43
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        the selfish interests of the LGBT community!

                        One of the main interests of the LGBT community is the struggle against God. And those who engage in rebellion, and especially in public, are the first ally of the LGBT community. I thought you know ... feel

                        Something in the atheistic atheistic USSR of the LGBT community was not observed, and all sorts of sexual perversions and assemblies of perverts were prosecuted by law!

                        So you don’t need to engage in religious propaganda and, in fact, engage in anti-Sovietism!
                      86. -5
                        3 March 2020 22: 50
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Something in the atheistic atheistic USSR of the LGBT community was not observed

                        There was also no sex, unemployed, prostitution, and more ... laughing
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        and all sorts of sexual perversions and gatherings of perverts were prosecuted by law!

                        But it was not bad.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Do not engage in anti-Sovietism!

                        It is impossible to do what is not. request
                      87. -1
                        3 March 2020 22: 58
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Do not engage in anti-Sovietism!

                        It is impossible to do what is not. request
                        Why not? There is no anti-Sovietism in your head in relation to the Soviet historical past of our country - the USSR / RF?
                        So I see through this church anti-Sovietism through your words!
                      88. 0
                        3 March 2020 23: 05
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Is there no anti-Sovietism in your head in relation to memory in relation to the historical past of our country?

                        There is no Soviet Union, there is no "anti-Sovietism" either. Here at least break against the wall. request
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        So I see through him in your words!

                        Can you through the wall? wink
                      89. +1
                        3 March 2020 23: 53
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        There is no Soviet Union, no "anti-Sovietism" either.

                        This is called "brain maidaung"!
                        Tell about it by the maydans in Ukraine - they will warmly and sincerely support you! Ally will be there for Bandera.
                      90. -1
                        3 March 2020 23: 56
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        This is called "brain maydown"!

                        What self-criticism. lol
                      91. -1
                        3 March 2020 23: 13
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        As for the church in the West, now in the churches of Western religious denominations the same sex marriage is beautifully consecrated!

                        And this is the result of the atheistic activity (and people like you, sympathizing). There is almost no church left ... feel
                      92. -13
                        3 March 2020 15: 08
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        will they decide something for me? I did not authorize them, like most people.

                        Who are you, who would you ask permission to ask, and all the more with what kind of devil are you responsible for all the people? Who authorized you? You are no one calling you in any way to speak for all the people. But the referendum will show what the people are for.
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        If you personally want to fasten another collar in the form of the Russian Orthodox Church on your neck, then this is purely your problem.

                        What clamp, what? What about "God" mentioned in the Constitution? What kind of nonsense are you talking about ?!
                      93. +6
                        3 March 2020 15: 30
                        Quote: CSKA
                        What clamp, what? What about "God" mentioned in the Constitution?

                        And let's mention some more drumsticks, flying saucers and poltergeist: there will be no harm. But, as my grandson says, how cool!
                        Let me remind you that the Constitution is the main legal document, and concepts that are not legally defined should not appear in it. But it can be used for persecution against those who do not believe in God. And for the merging of the state and the church.
                      94. -4
                        5 March 2020 13: 47
                        Quote: astepanov
                        And let's mention some more drumsticks, flying saucers and poltergeist: there will be no harm. But, as my grandson says, how cool!

                        As soon as they fall under the term God, they will automatically fall under the category of God, but for now they fall under the category of "fairy tales" and "fiction". But don't be discouraged. Create your own poltergeist worship sect, for example, you look and become an official denomination.
                        Quote: astepanov
                        But it can be used for persecution against those who do not believe in God, all this dregs

                        Nobody introduces and is not going to introduce into the Constitution about any persecution, especially on religious grounds. They're just going to bring in the word "God." Do you seriously think that after being introduced into the constitution, Christians will go straight and begin to catch atheists and drive them to church or shoot them?
                        In fact, everything is corny simple. Such as you are critics of everything and everything, you don’t know what to complain about. Well, at least somehow and in something it is necessary to blame the President.
                      95. -1
                        5 March 2020 17: 47
                        Do you believe that God is mentioned for the sake of a red word? Aby blabber? If the mention of God has no legal consequences, then it is absolutely unnecessary. Just like poltergeist drummers, which are legally as vague as any Demiurge. But the fact of the matter is that there are no rams in the Duma and the government, and therefore it seems that there is some intention behind the mention of God, and what legal acts it will result in is unknown. Otherwise, why stick a risky point for the sake of which can cause (and is already causing) disagreement in society?
                        Quote: CSKA
                        Such as you are critics of everything and everything, you don’t know what to complain about. Well, at least somehow and in something it is necessary to blame the President.

                        I have something to reproach the president for: that working pensioners (including me) were frozen pensions, that they carried out an ugly pension reform, that health care and education are "optimized" that there are more and more billionaires and beggars, that the economy has been stagnating for a year, and there is no end to it ...
                        I advise you to master the grammar of the Russian language. You are losing commas somewhere ....
                      96. -5
                        10 March 2020 15: 26
                        Quote: astepanov
                        Do you believe that God is mentioned for the sake of a red word? Anyhow blabber?

                        “The Russian Federation, united by a thousand-year history, preserving the memory of ancestors who passed on to us ideals and faith in God, as well as the continuity of the development of the Russian state, recognizes the historically established state unity,” the amendment says.
                        Yes, for a beautiful word, as well as in the USA.
                        Quote: astepanov
                        If the mention of God has no legal consequences, then it is absolutely unnecessary.

                        This is just your opinion.
                        Quote: astepanov
                        that there is some intention behind the mention of God, and what legal acts he will pour into is unknown.

                        Well, what, let's have an example. Well, at least approximately. Again. Well, will they introduce a church tax or will they lead everyone to the church? And then some kind of uvs logic turns out to be childish. Write that oh how bad it is, and when asked why, write that you don’t know why, but it’s definitely bad.
                        Quote: astepanov
                        I have something to blame the president for: working pensioners

                        "The motive behind the government's proposal is clear. In the conditions of the financial crisis, first of all, it is necessary to help those who need it most, those who have their only source of income - a pension," comments the Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Andrei Isaev. - Working pensioners, in addition to pensions, have another source - salary. Therefore, it will be easier for them to cope with difficulties than non-working pensioners. "
                        Quote: astepanov
                        that they carried out an ugly pension reform,

                        This is what she is so ugly?
                        Quote: astepanov
                        is that health care and education "optimize"

                        What are all of you clinging to this word? Stick it to everything and everything.
                        Quote: astepanov
                        bringing to the handle

                        I have already written about education here alone, in fact, how many medals and in what sciences won. Do you think it brought to the handle? Also about health care. So many hospitals have already been built with modern equipment, but no, everything is not enough for you. If earlier some operations could be done only in the capital, now in almost every regional and regional center.
                        Are you here to paint everything too?
                        Quote: astepanov
                        that there are more and more billionaires and beggars

                        The fact that there are more billionaires is not bad, but whether there are more beggars is a very big question. I have quite a lot of acquaintances who are sitting on the minimum, but in fact they get 5 to 10 times more in an envelope.
                        Quote: astepanov
                        that the economy is stagnating for a year, and there’s no end to edge ...

                        What are you? There is no end and end to this trouble? That is, we have a growth of 1,3%, in the UK 1,7%, in France 1,4%, in Germany 0,6%. And nothing, people live normally, just like ours. But as the economy of Equatorial Guinea grew, that's just the standard of living of the population is not very. And we have stagnation of European countries, and they have growth in Africa. But I don’t envy such growth.
                        Quote: astepanov
                        I advise you to master the grammar of the Russian language. You are losing commas somewhere ....

                        I also advise you not to give advice and stop whining, but at the same time stop all and blame the state for everything, otherwise no one should only state to the state.
                      97. +17
                        3 March 2020 16: 46
                        Quote: CSKA
                        Who are you, who would you ask permission to ask, and all the more with what kind of devil are you responsible for all the people?

                        Alexander Suvorov is a citizen of the Russian Federation, as well as most registered users on the site. And he is not responsible for the whole people, he expresses his assumptions, and I believe that his assumptions are true. In my opinion, the majority of the people, just as he believes.
                        Quote: CSKA
                        But the referendum will show what the people

                        A referendum where you must immediately vote for the entire package, and not point by point? laughing
                        Quote: CSKA
                        You are nobody and they’re calling you nothing

                        Just do not provoke people, there are many provocateurs here without you.
                        Counter question: Who are you?
                      98. +2
                        3 March 2020 22: 21
                        Quote: Arlen
                        Alexander Suvorov is a citizen of the Russian Federation, as well as most registered users on the site

                        Is not a fact! I didn’t see his passport ... request
                      99. +12
                        4 March 2020 07: 19
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        I didn’t see his passport ...

                        We also did not see your passport ...
                      100. +3
                        4 March 2020 07: 22
                        Quote: Arlen
                        We also did not see your passport

                        Like your ... request
                      101. +11
                        4 March 2020 07: 57
                        Judging by the answer, you are not a citizen of Russia. I am wrong?
                      102. +3
                        4 March 2020 07: 59
                        Quote: Arlen
                        I am wrong?

                        You are not right.
                      103. +9
                        4 March 2020 08: 06
                        It is doubtful. But I take your word for it.
                      104. +4
                        4 March 2020 08: 12
                        Quote: Arlen
                        It is doubtful. But I take your word for it.

                        And this is as you please. I don’t like to lie at all, but in life I had to. But not on the site and not in this case. Here I even uploaded my photo three times. request
                      105. +1
                        5 March 2020 14: 12
                        Quote: Arlen
                        And he is not responsible for the whole people, he expresses his assumptions

                        And in your opinion:
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        will they decide something for me? I did not authorize them, like most people.

                        This is not a statement for the whole people? And there are just no proposals, there is only constant criticism of everything and everything.
                        Quote: Arlen
                        that his assumptions are true

                        ))) What and about what?
                        Quote: Arlen
                        In my opinion, the majority of the people, just as he believes.

                        Of course, you have the right to have an opinion, but this does not mean that it is true. I can also say that most think the same way as I do, not like you and Suvorov. So is one of us right? These are all allegations only allegations. Everything will show the vote.
                        Quote: Arlen
                        A referendum where you must immediately vote for the entire package, and not point by point?

                        And why should he be sure to be point by point? And if there were 1000 amendments, would you vote for months?
                        Quote: Arlen
                        Just do not provoke people, there are many provocateurs here without you.
                        Counter question: Who are you?

                        And I’m a person who, like you, has the right to an opinion, but at the same time I don’t make statements on behalf of the whole people, covering up my conclusions with the public.
                      106. +2
                        3 March 2020 22: 19
                        Quote: CSKA
                        Who are you, who would you ask permission to ask, and all the more with what kind of devil are you responsible for all the people?

                        Here on the site, it is not uncommon for individuals with Soviet - Russian characters on the avatar and Russian names who are in Canada and waiting for Canadian citizenship (for example). So be calm. wink
                      107. 0
                        5 March 2020 11: 52
                        this is a true remark ..
                    2. -1
                      3 March 2020 11: 36
                      Quote: Varyag_0711
                      Only God is different for everyone.

                      Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. God is alone, religion is darkness. No one suggests appointing the Russian Orthodox Church as the only church that enjoys the exclusive right of transmitting wishes of parishioners to God.

                      Not only because of the mention of God in the Constitution, do not vote for really pressing changes.

                      I am for the fact that there would be no more than 10 amendments, with a separate vote on each item. For other amendments - in the working order, without a poll or with a poll, with simultaneous elections and no more than 10 at a time.

                      Why does the president insist on our survey? For all of its amendments to take effect immediately after our approval.
                      1. +17
                        3 March 2020 12: 14
                        Boris55 (Boris)
                        Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. God is one
                        Well, yes, Muslims will tell you: there is no God but Allah and Magomed is his prophet, what will they object to?
                        Not only because of the mention of God in the Constitution, do not vote for really pressing changes.
                        It is precisely that there is no need to vote, but rather it is necessary to vote against. If the vote were for each amendment separately, it would still be like democracy. And to vote in a package, for everything in bulk, thank you, the sick are dumb!
                        You want to be deceived once again, it’s your right, but you don’t have to pull everyone together. There are those who think with their own heads.
                      2. +1
                        3 March 2020 13: 55
                        Allah is just another name for God among Muslims. Allah, Sabaoth, Yahweh (Jehovah) is one and the same God, among Christians it is God the father as an integral part of the trinity.
                      3. +3
                        3 March 2020 15: 58
                        Jesus said to him: I am the way and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father as soon as through Me.
                        John 14: 6
                        try to convince the Muslims
                      4. 0
                        3 March 2020 22: 29
                        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                        Jesus said to him: I am the way and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father as soon as through Me.
                        John 14: 6
                        try to convince the Muslims

                        Muslims will answer you reasonably that this is all so, before the message to Muhammad, then a change occurred. feel
                      5. -2
                        3 March 2020 22: 29
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        it is the same God

                        So. hi
                      6. -7
                        3 March 2020 15: 35
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        You want to be deceived again

                        So what is the hype?
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        but you don’t have to pull everyone together

                        So no one is pulled. Want to sit at home.
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        There are those who think with their own heads.

                        Where is it here?))))) At VO? I’ll surprise you right now, but the opinion of people in HE is far from the opinion of the whole country, and opinions in HE itself are also very different.
                      7. +2
                        3 March 2020 22: 26
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        Well, yes, Muslims will tell you: there is no God but Allah and Magomed is his prophet, what will they object to?

                        You probably don’t know, but the god of Mohammed, also the god of Jesus and Moses, and Abraham. feel
                      8. +16
                        3 March 2020 13: 14
                        Boris55 (Boris) Today, 11: 36
                        Why does the president insist on our survey? For all of its amendments to take effect immediately after our approval.

                        Boris, in your "posts" you often refer to the Constitution.
                        What do you think, why are we being promoted precisely interview. for which neither the turnout threshold, nor the number of votes for the result, nor the legal consequences has been established (mandatory, optional, take into account).

                        Although the Constitution provides for popular vote
                        Art.135 p.3directly says -
                        3. The Constitutional Assembly either confirms the immutability of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, or develops a draft new Constitution of the Russian Federation, which is adopted by the Constitutional Assembly by two-thirds of the total number of its members or put to the popular vote. When conducting a popular vote, the Constitution of the Russian Federation is considered adopted, if more than half of the voters who participated in the vote voted for it, provided that more than half of the voters participated in it.


                        Submitting articles about God (our church is separated from the state) and the state council (a new body of state power, with undefined powers) is no longer "amendments", but "changes" to the Constitution. IMHO
                      9. +2
                        3 March 2020 18: 49
                        Quote: Freeman
                        Boris, in your "posts" you often refer to the Constitution.

                        he loves this thing
                        but when the constitution is violated ...
                        Quote: Freeman
                        popular vote is envisaged to amend the Constitution
                        Art. 135 p. 3, bluntly says -

                        Boris always evades the answer. It's time to get used to it
                      10. 0
                        3 March 2020 19: 09
                        And try on which amendments you don’t like, and which ones to your Western partners? The traditions of most nations are based on faith in God. And there is nothing wrong with the fact that we will fix respect for the traditions of our ancestors, on the contrary.
                      11. -2
                        5 March 2020 00: 36
                        What exactly are the traditions of the ancestors? In the last century, it was the USSR where they forcibly fought with faith. This is a tradition? Whose presidential integrity is this tradition? The Bolsheviks of the emperor shot together with his family
                      12. +6
                        3 March 2020 13: 50
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. God is alone, religion is darkness.

                        Then answer, with what side into the political, legal and economic structure of the country, into relations between the state and the people, has it ripened to insert the concept of what no one on Earth can describe or imagine?
                        It is enough to separate the “flies” from the “cutlets” and recognize the right of religion for everyone.
                      13. +3
                        3 March 2020 19: 16
                        Some do not believe in God, others do not smoke, still others do not drink, fourth do not like women - just a host of perverts! But you can and should be more tolerant, of course, within the framework of the moral standards of society. And we must remember that ALL modern moral standards are derived from religious.
                      14. -3
                        4 March 2020 10: 36
                        Quote: Victor N
                        Some do not believe in God, others do not smoke, still others do not drink, fourth do not like women - just a host of perverts! But you can and should be more tolerant, of course, within the framework of the moral standards of society. And we must remember that ALL modern moral standards are derived from religious.

                        You do not need to pretend to be pseudo "tolerance", but you need to be a legally literate citizen and understand that philosophical issues that are controversial for the whole society are not included in a legal document, which is the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
                        In this case, we are dealing not only with a change in the state structure of the country - in essence a coup d’etat, but in your person we have an agreement with religious extremism in the SECOND state, in which FEOLAISM is gaining strength.
                      15. +1
                        5 March 2020 10: 11
                        I do not observe absolutely any extremism. Find some consolation in FAITH - good. I consider the strengthening of the power vertical a necessary measure - evaluating what is happening, at least in the USA and China. Maybe you are in vain excited?
                      16. +5
                        3 March 2020 15: 35
                        Quote: Boris55
                        God is one

                        And for me, so not one. That is why it is better to remember the saying: "do not mention the name of the Lord in vain", and everyone should remain unconvinced, and make only really necessary changes to the Basic Law.
                      17. -3
                        3 March 2020 19: 23
                        religion is opium for the people.
                      18. -1
                        3 March 2020 19: 02
                        Legislative approval is sufficient to pass the amendments. A population survey is needed to determine readiness for change. And in order for everyone to think about how best to arrange the state and feel responsibility. And you should not overestimate your significance. Clever understands his personal responsibility and will vote, but unwise .....
                      19. -1
                        3 March 2020 19: 21
                        it was you in the parish school that you were taught to write "no one" separately.
                      20. +3
                        3 March 2020 19: 25
                        Boris55 (to Boris):
                        Is God alone?
                      21. 0
                        5 March 2020 00: 30
                        I am for the amendments to be less than ten, they were clearly and unequivocally voiced by all the central media and given at least six months for discussion
                    3. -3
                      3 March 2020 13: 41
                      Christians and Muslims, of which most among Russian believers believe in one God.
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                      2. -1
                        3 March 2020 16: 02
                        how can one God make different laws for his children?
                      3. -2
                        3 March 2020 19: 18
                        Here is no need to blaspheme!
                    4. +4
                      3 March 2020 14: 38
                      Quote: Varyag_0711
                      Why should I introduce this into the Constitution? Zadolbali priests already without soap in all not modest places to climb. Little Gundya dough it’s also necessary to creep into the Constitution. What about other religions? We will all enter into the Constitution or what?

                      God first into the Constitution. Then, on the basis of the Constitution, the Law of God in schools.
                      1. 0
                        3 March 2020 14: 54
                        This is how the "law of God" is taught in schools. Maybe not in all of them, but they certainly teach already. At least in the Cossack cadet schools, poor children have been dirtied by this.
                      2. +2
                        3 March 2020 16: 43
                        Very similar to the call: "Forward to the past!" In tsarist Russia, there was no Constitution, but there was a law of God ... First, the organization was "transformed", then science was extended through the law of God ...
                  2. -2
                    3 March 2020 11: 47
                    I thought that these amendments appeared as a political technology project so that everyone sighed with relief when they were not turned on and went to vote with the thought “okay, it could be worse, even though people will be left alone and will not go into their heads through juristic documents". But VVP beat me as if by notes and turned them on in all seriousness. belay
                  3. +3
                    3 March 2020 13: 23
                    Amendment text:

                    The Russian Federation, united by a thousand-year history, preserving the memory of the ancestors who transmitted to us the ideals and faith in God, as well as the continuity in the development of the Russian state, recognizes the historically established state unity.

                    In addition, the amendments include provisions on the Russian people as state-forming. Also among the amendments proposed by Putin - ban on alienation of Russian territories. The only exception is demarcation of borders.
                    1. +1
                      3 March 2020 15: 43
                      In addition, the amendments include provisions on the Russian people as state-forming. Also among the amendments proposed by Putin is a ban on the alienation of Russian territories. The only exception is demarcation of borders.

                      I hope you remember about Damansky? Who gave it to China? But demarcation is not an alienation? Putin needs amendments only to maintain power in the future.
                      1. -1
                        3 March 2020 15: 54
                        An interesting article "Why is all this needed?"
                        https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2872468.html
                      2. -1
                        3 March 2020 19: 32
                        Nonsense. Demarcation is not alienation, since the ownership of the territory is only being established. Very troublesome business. On our site, several border signs were under the sands of many meters. They disagreed with the Afghans "according to their concepts." As for Putin, he is not running. And the State Council, as an integrated governing body for such a large and complex country, with the traditions of a rigid vertical, is needed.
                      3. -2
                        5 March 2020 00: 43
                        The court needs an independent, not some ordinary advice
                      4. 0
                        9 March 2020 05: 30
                        He is the master of his word ....
                    2. 0
                      5 March 2020 00: 41
                      It is strange, I have already read it several times and all the same, instead of the "transmitted" one reads "betrayed"
                2. 0
                  4 March 2020 17: 57
                  Temples in the cities are filled with gold and silver, which God does not need, and on the porch of the temples the beggars tremble, waiting in vain for a small copper coin to be thrust into their hands.
                  - Mother (Maxim Gorky)
              2. +18
                3 March 2020 10: 57
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                God may be, only what relation does the ROC and the current government have to it?

                The Russian Orthodox Church appropriated and operates this brand; it does not make weak money. For the government, the church is another tool for influencing the population and is quite powerful. Actually, it can cool a society. And yet, yes, the church cannot be allowed to power, where it is torn. It will not end in good.
                1. +6
                  3 March 2020 11: 10
                  Quote: aleks26
                  For the government - the church is another tool for influencing the population
                  Do not forget that the secret of confession for the Russian Orthodox Church was almost always a little more than empty sound.
                  1. +1
                    3 March 2020 12: 48
                    The norm presupposing the protection of the confidentiality of confession is contained in the legislation of many modern states, including the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Russian Law “On Freedom of Conscience and on Religious Associations”. Canonically, this tradition is not fixed.
                    1. +4
                      3 March 2020 13: 00
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      Russian Law “On Freedom of Conscience and on Religious Associations”

                      So now, after 70 years of state atheism! But was there such a law in Russia until 1917? But until 1905, approximately such laws were in effect, without stigmatizing, of course, the year after 1845, but nonetheless

                      Article 190. Distraction from the faith: non-violent - exile up to 10 years, corporal punishment, stigmatization; violent - reference up to 15 years, corporal punishment, stigmatization.
                      Article 191. Departure from faith - deprivation of rights for the time of deviation from faith.
                      Article 192. If one of the parents of a non-Christian faith brings up children not in the Orthodox faith - divorce, exile to Siberia.
                      Article 195. Seduction from Orthodoxy to another religion - exile, corporal punishment, correctional labor up to 2 years. Under forced coercion - exile to Siberia, corporal punishment.
                      Article 196. Apostasy - a ban on contact with children, until returning to faith ..
                      1. +5
                        3 March 2020 13: 39
                        Well, a few centuries ago, generally burned at the stake. it's just a story. life does not stand still. and a lot is changing. whether or not there was such a law 100 years ago this is not an indicator) especially as an example in order to focus on it now)
                      2. 0
                        3 March 2020 13: 41
                        Well, there were mentions of God in the United States constitution already three hundred years ago, in modern times, then why drag it?
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        there wasn’t such a law 100 years ago, it’s an indicator that would be oriented on this or something
                        Direct analogy. )))
                  2. +6
                    3 March 2020 13: 53
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Do not forget that the secret of confession for the Russian Orthodox Church was almost always a little more than empty sound.

                    Do not forget about the attitude of the church towards the emergence of steam locomotives, cars, planes and missiles and about today's interpretation of these things that are so necessary in human life.
                    1. +1
                      3 March 2020 14: 20
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      church attitude
                      I wouldn’t risk taking a steam locomotive now, I’m such obscurantist. )))
                2. -3
                  3 March 2020 19: 36
                  No one is driving anyone to church. And society in this regard is sustainable. But Marxism has split so split!
              3. +9
                3 March 2020 11: 39
                The president has proposed an amendment to introduce into the Constitution of the Russian Federation a provision on the state-forming role of the Russian people, it will be emphasized at the constitutional level that Russia is primarily a state of the Russian people. Just do not talk about the ideology of the Russian people. Ideology is a system of views on the world and a person’s place in it. It gives people guidance in life, clarifying what is good and what is bad, and greatly affects their values. Religion, on the other hand, is a special case of ideology with an excess of mysticism. If everything is greatly simplified, then Buddhism, liberalism, socialism, Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Islam, etc. are all variations of various ideologies.
                1. +5
                  3 March 2020 11: 47
                  Quote: sailor Roman
                  If everything is greatly simplified, then Buddhism, liberalism, socialism, Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Islam, etc. are all variations of various ideologies.
                  Somehow it was greatly simplified, yet mysticism and socialism did not lie nearby, but for example, Nazism and mysticism were very close.
                  1. +1
                    3 March 2020 11: 57
                    I agree with your clarifications. Of course I simplified it, since a significant part of our readers do not like to read long comments.
                2. -1
                  4 March 2020 11: 04
                  Quote: sailor Roman
                  The president has proposed an amendment to introduce into the Constitution of the Russian Federation a provision on the state-forming role of the Russian people, it will be emphasized at the constitutional level that Russia is primarily a state of the Russian people. Just do not talk about the ideology of the Russian people. Ideology is a system of views on the world and a person’s place in it. It gives people guidance in life, clarifying what is good and what is bad, and greatly affects their values. Religion, on the other hand, is a special case of ideology with an excess of mysticism. If everything is greatly simplified, then Buddhism, liberalism, socialism, Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Islam, etc. are all variations of various ideologies.

                  Politics is an expression of the economic interests of an individual, a group of individuals, a society, a people, a nation, political classes, professional and RELIGIOUS CORPORATIONS.
                  And ideology is the philosophical and worldview rim of their politics.

                  Religious denominations (churches) are network business structures that have survived to our time providing the population with religious and mystical services, which grow rich when they are "protected" by those in power in the states.
            2. +19
              3 March 2020 10: 38
              Quote: Stas157
              Who knows why they decided to talk the Constitution? And the confirmation of the existence of God in the fundamental law of a country that considers itself secular is generally beyond.

              Everything is fine, Stas, "" Yes, Yes, No, Yes "," Vote, otherwise you will lose "," Vote with your heart. "Only here the kinder-surprise needs to correct the phrase, more creatively" Vote for handouts "," Vote for the stabilizer " , "God Save the Tsar", "For the kids for the milk", "For the development of the cooperative movement" Water Resources "," For all power to the State Council "," For courage "," For victory "," For a pleasant conversation "," For scientific works "," For the protection of the entire environment ", and for" March 8th, as the day of the immaculate conception "!
            3. -44
              3 March 2020 10: 39
              Quote: Ilya Polonsky
              For many proponents of secular values, amendments such as the mention of God can be seen as attempts to archaize the basic law of the country with all the ensuing consequences.
              A statement equal to bullshit.
              1. With God, Russia lived and developed for 1000 years, and without God in 70 it was thrown back to the borders of the beginning of the 17th century. Exactly this is the archaization of Russia.
              2. The United States mentioning God in the constitution does not interfere, like in many other countries, even the Presidents take the oath on the Bible and swear in the name of God. Although there are more Jews there than we have, both Muslims and Buddhists. So liberalism should be enough - it will be like in America.
              1. +21
                3 March 2020 10: 49
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                US mention of God in the constitution does not interfere

                You do not take into account that the US Constitution was adopted 230 years agowhen the level of education and piety was completely different.

                Quote: Nikolay S.
                With God, Russia lived and developed for 1000 years, and without God for 70 turned out to be discarded to the borders of the early 17th century.

                You are talking about the glorious times of the USSR so unflattering write? In vain. Most disagree with you!
                1. -16
                  3 March 2020 11: 11
                  Quote: Stas157
                  You do not take into account that the US Constitution was adopted 230 years ago, when the level of education and piety was completely different.
                  Yes. This is the oldest existing constitution. And the new Swiss constitution has been in force since 2000. Many countries have recently adopted an amended constitution. How to deal with this? The Swiss are also dark ignoramuses and live poorly?
                  God, by the way, does not specify whose.
                  Quote: Stas157
                  write about the glorious times of the USSR so unflattering? In vain. Most disagree with you!
                  I do not question the achievements of the USSR. Since you are a representative of the majority, then show me a map of Russia, on which it is not thrown back to the borders of the early 17th century. Unfortunately, this is precisely the main "achievement".
                  1. +11
                    3 March 2020 11: 25
                    Quote: Nikolai S.
                    And the new Swiss constitution has been in force since 2000. Many countries have recently adopted an amended constitution. How to deal with this? The Swiss are also dark ignoramuses and live poorly?

                    Well, everything, after mentioning God in the Constitution, we will live like the Swiss! ... And can you still live by the old Russian proverb: "Trust in God, but do not blunder yourself!"?
                  2. -12
                    3 March 2020 12: 54
                    Quote: Nikolai S.
                    then show me a map of Russia, on which it is not thrown back to the borders of the early 17th century. Unfortunately, this is precisely the main "achievement"

                    Now specify whose hands this “achievement!” Is it not members of the CPSU? The members of which were silent during the collapse of the com. parties and the USSR ..
                    1. -3
                      4 March 2020 11: 30
                      Quote: 30 vis
                      Quote: Nikolai S.
                      then show me a map of Russia, on which it is not thrown back to the borders of the early 17th century. Unfortunately, this is precisely the main "achievement"

                      Now specify whose hands this “achievement!” Is it not members of the CPSU? The members of which were silent during the collapse of the com. parties and the USSR ..

                      You don’t need us to breed demagogy here!

                      And the top of the Russian Orthodox Church betrayed Nicholas II, compromising the bourgeoisie by abandoning the monarchy in the country in favor of capitalism in the Republic of Ingushetia!
                      Whose handiwork was it? Absolutely all Believers in Ingushetia, or only the "top" of the ROC?
                      1. +2
                        4 March 2020 14: 54
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        You don’t need us to breed demagogy here!

                        Since when has Truth become a demagogy !? You agitate, advertise Kom. Party ."Demagogy (dr. Greek δημαγωγία “leadership of the people”; “ingratiation of the people”) - a set of oratory and polemic techniques and means that allow you to mislead the audience and incline it to your side, using false theoretical reasoning based on logical errors (sophisms). Most often used to achieve political goals, in advertising and propaganda .... " I give examples of betrayal by this party of the people ... And who in the end is DEMAGOG?
                      2. -5
                        4 March 2020 15: 14
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        I give examples of betrayal by this party of the people ... And who in the end is DEMAGOG?
                        You are the demagogue and anti-Soviet propagandist.
                        This is what you need to separate - for the sake of truth - ordinary communists from the treacherous Trotskyist persuasion and the bourgeois-revanchist degenerate party "elite"!
                        And here you are eclectically - indiscriminately - throwing your dummy CRIVDU like a fan - promoting your anti-Soviet demagogy.

                        Understand first who, whom, how, when, in what and why betrayed! Do not dump everything and everyone in one pile!
                      3. +1
                        4 March 2020 15: 31
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        anti-Soviet propagandist.
                        This is what you need to separate - for the sake of truth - ordinary communists from the treacherous Trotskyist persuasion and the bourgeois-revanchist degenerate party "elite"!

                        ABOUT !! fellow what rhetoric! am anti-Soviet propagandist ... ahem ... How recognizable .... crying I wonder where the Soviet Union is. And under whose wise leadership was the country? Who was the honor and conscience of our country? why ordinary communists, like a rat after a rat-catcher under the fascinating pipe Gorbachev went silently into the abyss ??? So could only desks. contributions to pay and distribute the deficit! Such lack of will and passivity still surprises me ... How is it with Vysotsky ..-"There are no violent ones, there are no leaders ...!" unfortunately not ...
                      4. -3
                        4 March 2020 15: 47
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        why ordinary communists, like a rat after a rat-catcher under the fascinating pipe Gorbachev went silently into the abyss ??? So could only desks. contributions to pay and distribute the deficit! Such lack of will and passivity still amazes me ...

                        If you personally stood expectantly during the "Gorbachevism" and during the "Gaidar-Yeltsin" reforms with the shooting of the White House all the time on the sidelines and watched everything that happened, like a wise monkey on a tree in an Indian fairy tale, then this does not mean that everyone the rest were just like you.
                        You at least a little conscience and common sense borrow from someone - then you will not be surprised!

                        Gorbachev is an ordinary American agent. • Jul 13 2013 year
                      5. +2
                        4 March 2020 19: 39
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Gorbachev is an ordinary American agent.

                        And the rest of the members applauding Gorbachev, also agents, or had no opinions of their own, were afraid to say a word against ... How is it Oh! Centralism ... At that time they completely killed the will of ordinary ordinary communists .. They were afraid to raise their heads ... Stalin's school!
                      6. -3
                        5 March 2020 19: 46
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        And the rest of the members applauding Gorbachev, also agents, or had no opinions of their own, were afraid to say a word against ... How is it Oh! Centralism ... At that time they completely killed the will of ordinary ordinary communists .. They were afraid to raise their heads ... Stalin's school!

                        And what is the situation in the "party of power" in the Russian Federation now? The same centralism and at the same time a liberal dictatorship of party power throughout the country!

                        The party is a party for that, in order to maintain discipline in achieving the goals set "from above"! And then you have members of one party - these are fools, and members of another party - no - "freedom fighters"! Whose freedom?
                2. 0
                  3 March 2020 11: 57
                  Amendments to the Constitution:
                  - about God. The wording itself is not indicated, so the amendment is controversial and not very clear. If for the purpose of "the need to respect the memory of the ancestors, who with faith in God handed us a great country" - this seems to be normal, although also not unambiguous;
                  - The immunity of the president is also debatable. Each following scolds the previous one - this is the engine of the political process. If the head of state does something not according to the laws ... then why not shorten and add
                  for what "deeds" or omissions, can they declare impeachment (removal from office) and which body or percentage of representatives of the legislative and judicial authorities has the right to do this and on what basis?
                3. -10
                  3 March 2020 13: 11
                  Quote: Stas157
                  You do not take into account that the US Constitution was adopted 230 years ago, when the level of education and piety was completely different.


                  It is not very clear what relation the level of education has to faith in God. On the contrary, scientists engaged in basic research say that the Universe could not be formed by chance and it has a Creator.
                  1. -2
                    3 March 2020 14: 35
                    Still, most scientists do not consider God the creator of the universe, but quite the opposite. The fact is that ancient people could not explain many phenomena and things happening on earth, so they came up with an excuse about God, because it’s easier to explain everything and you don’t have to go anywhere, bring everything to God.
                    1. -1
                      3 March 2020 15: 10
                      Quote: Fan-Fan
                      The fact is that ancient people could not explain many phenomena and things happening on earth,


                      Nothing changed. laughing
                      Nobody can explain how a cell was formed, what is the difference between living and dead matter, what is "dark energy", how eukaryotes were formed from the cells of prokaryotes. From the point of view of modern science, all of the above can not be explained.

                      Well, so that everything is completely clear quote:
                      "Let us estimate the probability of a specific world with given properties against the background of all other possibilities. Let the set characterizing the number of fundamental characteristics of a certain materialistic space-time phenomenon consist of a elements (for example, according to modern concepts, our world consists of six quarks, six leptons and four In this case, it is important that a is just a certain finite number. It is natural to assume further that the set of all permissible characteristics of arbitrary materialistic formations is a countable, infinite set. This is due to the fact that such characteristics, apparently, represent are rational or at least algebraic quantities, on the one hand, and on the other hand, are countable samples from the irrational.

                      The cardinality of such a set, equivalent to the cardinality of a natural series of numbers, is usually denoted by Ao (aleph-zero). Then the cardinality of the set characterizing the number of all possible materialistic formations will be determined by the mapping of Ao onto a. The founder of the theory of sets Georg Cantor showed that the cardinality of such a set is characterized by the value aAo and is uncountable. It is equivalent to the power of the continuum. This is, in general, a natural result, since the worlds are generated by the irrational essence of the universe. Therefore, the probability of an accidental appearance of a world with given properties is inversely proportional to the power of the continuum, i.e. is identically zero. "

                      INOstretsov, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor, Nuclear Scientist "Introduction to the Philosophy of Nonviolent Development"
                      1. -3
                        3 March 2020 15: 25
                        I can also provide you with the statements of scientists:
                        Leonard Susskind - Professor of Theoretical Physics at Stanford :
                        “I do not believe that the Universe was purposefully created by a certain absolute. I believe that she appeared for the same reasons as a person. Of course, before Darwin, everything looked as if the creator had created man. This is a completely natural thought: only an entity of even greater complexity - something incomprehensible and absolutely beautiful - can construct such a complex organism and brain. However, then a much more prosaic explanation was found for this - a person, as it turned out, appeared as a result of a random mutation that occurred only due to a change in the chemical composition of the atmosphere. Some species turned out to be more successful, some - not very, someone survived, someone - not. So, in fairness, a person was created by another trinity - chance, statistics and the laws of physics. I think that about the same thing can be said about the Universe. ”
                        Robert Colman Richardson - Nobel Laureate in Physics :
                        “I do not believe in some kind of anthropomorphic God who somehow miraculously created the Universe. As for life after death, all I can say about this: “It would be great!” But I have no reason to think that it exists. ”
                        Peter Atkins - Professor of Chemistry at Oxford :
                        “I think theology is fighting phantoms. Theologians invented an amazing thing - this almost self-sufficient discipline, which does not intersect with physical reality. They composed a variety of theories and mental constructions, with the help of which they tried for a long time to guide humanity on the true path. One of these theories is about divine purpose. Theologians argue that there is a certain predetermination, which science is not able to explain. This is a typical theological concept. They do not respect - and therefore underestimate - the power of human intelligence. They constantly repeat this simultaneously naive and disarming “argument” about the mysterious ways of the Lord, which in no case can be questioned. These are beautiful words, but they are meaningless. For what reason, one wonders, should everything in the world have its own purpose and purpose? ”
                      2. -1
                        3 March 2020 15: 51
                        I brought you specific facts. You can refute the argument of Ostretsov only with the same counter-argument. Or you can refer to a document explaining the emergence of a cell from amino acids, for example. wink
                      3. -1
                        4 March 2020 11: 50
                        Quote: Arkon
                        You can refute the argument of Ostretsov only with the same counter-argument. Or you can refer to a document explaining the emergence of a cell from amino acids, for example.

                        Ostretsov is just a nuclear physicist, and in philosophy he is not a philosopher-scientist, but just a mediocre metaphysician-materialist.
                        Since Ostretsov is a metaphysician, then Ostretsov, like all metaphysicians, descends in his philosophical worldview to idealism in the form of either Hegel's "Absolute Idea" or in the form of some "immaterial Creator." With such "success" Ostretsov will sink to theism.
                      4. 0
                        4 March 2020 12: 05
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Ostretsov is a nuclear physicist, and in philosophy he is not a philosopher-scientist, but just a mediocre metaphysician.


                        So I say that the existence of the Creator is now confirmed precisely by natural-scientific, and by no means philosophical disciplines.
                      5. -2
                        4 March 2020 12: 21
                        Quote: Arkon
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Ostretsov is a nuclear physicist, and in philosophy he is not a philosopher-scientist, but just a mediocre metaphysician.
                        So I say that the existence of the Creator is now confirmed precisely by natural-scientific, and by no means philosophical disciplines.

                        You have a strange understanding about the existence of God.
                        You just speculate on the achievements of scientific materialismwishful thinking and thereby support church business religious denominations for the sale of mythical services to the population. As a result, the church oligarchy of a religious corporation under the exploiting system inevitably merges its interests of class enrichment with the interests of the secular oligarchy, and as a result, the church merges with the state under the exploiting social system.
                        The Russian Federation in this regard is already halfway to this merger of church and state -
                        it’s almost merged already in content, the authorities only have to legally formalize this merger
                      6. 0
                        4 March 2020 12: 29
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        You are simply speculating on the achievements of scientific materialism, giving out wishful thinking


                        Scientific materialism is also a philosophical trend. I'm talking about the data of natural sciences: physics, mathematics, biology (specifically its part - cytology). Well, no one bothers you to refute my "speculations" simply by pointing out the false facts. smile
                      7. -3
                        4 March 2020 12: 42
                        Quote: Arkon
                        Scientific materialism is also a philosophical trend. I'm talking about the data of natural sciences: physics, mathematics, biology (specifically its part - cytology). Well, no one bothers you to refute my "speculations" simply by pointing out the false facts.

                        Scientific materialism is based on experimental practical evidence of the knowledge of the truth and follows from a methodological analysis and synthesis of the practical results of the scientists themselves! And where does God like otherworldly power ?!
                        To affirm the existence of God is a field for cunning manipulators regarding the mass of people who are illiterate and naive, whom they rip off and will rip off like sticky!
                      8. +2
                        4 March 2020 12: 52
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        And where does God like otherworldly power ?!

                        laughing
                        Well, how can I explain it to you ... Just because without assuming the existence of the Creator as a conscious creative force, it is impossible to explain the mass of facts obtained by modern science. Some of them (extremely small, just scanty) I cited in my comments above.
                        You are now holding onto your "atheism" like a straw, without which your world will collapse. But it will collapse anyway - the sooner you open your eyes and accept the facts, the more of your life you will live seeing. smile
                      9. -3
                        4 March 2020 13: 04
                        Quote: Arkon
                        You are now holding onto your "atheism" like a straw, without which your world will collapse. But it will collapse anyway - just open your eyes and accept the facts.

                        This is your world will stall and collapse without God! And mine is not.
                        My world establishes objective, not subjective causal relationships and indicates the direction where you need to move objectively to achieve your goals.
                        And your world of a believer in God makes you passively hope while waiting for the "Heavenly Office" and for self-proclaimed intermediaries between the imaginary God and you - on the clergy. Moreover, for the most part, the clergy themselves have long secretly disbelieved in God. In churches, hedonism flourishes - the desire for personal and corporate-church enrichment.
                      10. +1
                        3 March 2020 18: 42
                        Don't look. You will not find it. The paradox is that a conscientious researcher is simply "forced" to admit the existence of the Creator. Thus, it is time to speak not about "faith in God" - the version of "the existence of God" has long turned into a solid theory - but about an irrational belief in "the absence of God". smile
                      11. -2
                        3 March 2020 18: 54
                        And I didn’t have to search much, the Internet is full of data, for example, a cell from amino acids:
                        "Life on our planet originated life 4 billion years ago. It turned out that amino acids were randomly formed from a mixture of chemicals that filled the reservoirs of the young Earth, from them - protein compounds, and then more complex nucleic acids. It was then that the first common ancestor was born of all living beings. It was a single cell, the genetic code of which included several hundred genes. This cell had everything necessary for life and further development: mechanisms responsible for the synthesis of proteins, the reproduction of hereditary information and the production of ribonucleic acid (RNA ), which is also responsible for encoding genetic data.
                        The possibility of the formation of amino acids from a mixture of chemical elements was proved as a result of the Miller-Yuri experiment, which Gazeta.Ru talked about several years ago. In the course of the experiment, Stanley Miller simulated the atmospheric conditions of the Earth in test tubes about 4 billion years ago, filling them with a mixture of gases - methane, ammonia, carbon and carbon monoxide - adding water there and passing an electric current through the tubes, which was supposed to produce the effect of lightning discharges. As a result of the interaction of chemicals, Miller received five amino acids in test tubes - the main building blocks of all proteins.
                        "
                      12. +4
                        3 March 2020 19: 04
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        and then more complex nucleic acids. It was then that the first common ancestor of all living things was born.


                        You are joking? Do you have such an idea of ​​evidence? This, you know, is about how to say: once metal ores appeared on Earth, prototypes of complex polymers, which, subsequently, gave rise to the first missile systems. To make it clear: a cell is much more complicated than a rocket.
                      13. +3
                        3 March 2020 19: 16
                        Just think it over. The second law of thermodynamics suggests that in a closed system, entropy will always increase over time. This, in turn, means that any accidental formation of amino acids in the next step will have their decay. And no other way.
                        Here are a few about proteins (the next stage in the development of life):
                        L-proteins.


                        Let us consider in more detail the reasons why protein formation according to the scenario of the theory of evolution is impossible. For the formation of a protein molecule of a living organism, just the correct combination of the corresponding amino acids is not enough. Each of the twenty amino acids contained in the molecule should only be L-shaped. Chemically identical amino acids are divided into two types: L-amino acid and D-amino acid, i.e. the difference in the opposite arrangement of tertiary structures. Like the right and left hand of a man ...

                        Amino acids of these two species can freely connect with each other. However, studies have shown an amazing result. Proteins of living organisms, from the simplest to the most complex, contain only L-amino acids, and the intervention of at least one D-amino acid makes it unsuitable. Experiments with bacteria have shown that D-amino acids are immediately cleaved by them, and in some cases, bacteria turn them into suitable L-amino acids. Imagine for some time that living organisms formed by chance, according to evolutionists. In this case, L- and D-amino acids should be formed in equal amounts. Therefore, these amino acids must be contained in a random amount in the structure of a living organism, since they are chemically capable of interacting with each other. Meanwhile, the proteins of living organisms consist only of L-amino acids. However, evolutionists have not been able to explain such a precise and specific selection. And this specificity of the protein leads to an even greater impasse, the “statement of chance." As explained above, for the formation of a useful protein, it is not enough just to have a certain amount of amino acids, an ideal sequence and a tertiary structure. At the same time, these amino acids must be L-shaped, and the presence of a D-amino acid is unacceptable. Since there is no natural mechanism in the protein structure that separates D-amino acids from L-amino acids, it is very important to prevent the intervention of D-amino acids, and this fact eliminates the concept of randomness. This case is explained in Britannic's scientific encyclopedia:

                        “All types of amino acids contained in all living organisms on Earth have the same asymmetry, that is, almost always in L-form. This is reminiscent of a coin flipped millions of times, but constantly falling out by an eagle and only occasionally by tails. It is not clear how, but this selection is connected with the source of life on Earth. ”101 And if the coin constantly falls by the eagle, then what will be more logical: explain this by chance or see someone's conscious role in this? The answer is clear. But evolutionists, only because of their reluctance to acknowledge "conscious interference," continue to affirm the principle of chance. The example with L-amino acids also applies to nucleotides, i.e. the foundation of DNA and RNA. In complete contrast to the amino acids of living organisms, they consist only of D-amino acids. And this situation is inexplicable by accident. As a result, all studies reject the randomness of the origin of the source of life. If we calculate the probability of the formation of a protein, consisting of 400 amino acids, from only D-amino acids, then we get a probability of 1 versus 10120. To have an idea of ​​this astronomical figure, we must say that the number of all electrons on the planet is 1079. And the probability of that amino acids combine in the necessary sequence and create a functional structure, gives rise to incredible numbers. If you apply the same method already for the formation of more complex types of proteins, then the numbers will be simply incomprehensible.


                        And these are just squirrels. From them to a living cell as to the moon. Yes, what kind of moon is there - how to the center of the galaxy.
                      14. Aag
                        0
                        4 March 2020 18: 05
                        ... And this must be reflected in the Constitution!)))
                  2. -5
                    5 March 2020 00: 22
                    Quote: Arkon
                    It is not very clear what relation the level of education has to faith in God. On the contrary, scientists engaged in basic research say that the Universe could not be formed by chance and it has a Creator.

                    I’m interested to know which of these scientists are you listening to? Who is it that inspires you?

                    Better listen to the video series of 44 lessons from Nevzorov entitled "Lessons of Atheism"!
                    Maybe something in your head about blind faith in God and about atheism will clarify something. Nevzorov studied at the seminary and knows the Russian Orthodox Church from the inside.

                    Nevzorov. Church and science. Series 2.
                    1. 0
                      5 March 2020 12: 45
                      Tatyana, take care of your mental health. I am not kidding.
                      1. -1
                        5 March 2020 13: 10
                        Quote: Arkon
                        Tatyana, take care of your mental health. I am not kidding.

                        I am an expert. More than one polit-philosophical concept and reform programs passed through my hands for a scientific examination of internal logical consistency. With my reviews as a guide to action, I prevented their anti-popular adoption in the Russian Federation, including in school education.
                        I do not know what your education is and how old you are, but in some way you have not completed your studies in the knowledge of the methodology of the sciences themselves. Hence, you have an adherence to the "Creator" instead of active and objective knowledge of the world. I am sorry that this is so observed in you.

                        And the videos that I choose for my comments represent their particular objective value. What do I give them in sparing mode for the pride of the participants. At the same time, the names of the authors of the video do not bother me. It is important for me and I value what they say.

                        So you definitely don’t need to worry about my state of mind!
              2. +23
                3 March 2020 10: 52
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                ... but without God for 70 she was thrown back to the borders of the beginning of the 17th century

                At the same time, having received industry, medicine, education and other joys, due to which we still survive. Would you read a history book or something.

                Quote: Nikolai S.
                US mention of God in the constitution does not interfere

                But can not we, for the sake of diversity, fit America into something else more useful to society?
              3. +19
                3 March 2020 11: 03
                Nikolay S. (Nikolay)
                1. With God, Russia lived and developed for 1000 years,
                Yeah, it developed so much that it fell apart due to bone and backwardness. Not without the help of the priests fell apart by the way.
                and without God for 70 she was thrown back to the borders of the beginning of the 17th century.
                What are you? And who flew into space first? And who lagged behind the advanced powers in 50-100 years over two five-year periods? And who won the worst war? Really priests?
                2. The United States mentioning God in the constitution does not interfere, like in many other countries, even the Presidents take the oath on the Bible and swear in the name of God.
                And also with the name of the same God carry "democracy" and destruction throughout the world.
                So liberal
                Which ones will you be from?
              4. +16
                3 March 2020 11: 06
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                The United States mentioning God in the constitution does not interfere, like in many other countries, even the Presidents take the oath on the Bible and swear in the name of God.

                Yeah, and then, with God's help and the name of God on their lips, they are destroying countries, playing off nations, killing thousands of innocent people. It is with their help that such "values" as homosexuality, gay marriage, drug addiction, admiration for the golden calf, etc. flourish. Yeah, as God bequeathed, in the very Bible on which the Americans swear, and not only the president (sarcasm for those in the tank).
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              6. +10
                3 March 2020 13: 25
                Nikolai S. (Nikolai) Today, 10: 39
                USA mention of God in the constitution does not interfere, like many other countries, there the Presidents even take the oath on the Bible and swear in the name of God.


                By that, the mention of God, too - "did not interfere"
              7. +5
                3 March 2020 14: 24
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                With God, Russia lived and developed for 1000 years, and without God in 70 it was thrown back to the borders of the beginning of the 17th century.
                You are clearly out of your mind. They probably drank it. For centuries, Russia was a second-rate country on the eastern borders of Europe with a high level of corruption, poor infrastructure and an illiterate population. And in those very 70 years it has become a superpower.
            4. +14
              3 March 2020 11: 11
              Quote: Stas157
              24 pages of new amendments and God there too! It seems that they have decided to make everything in the Constitution! Accidentally, the rules of the SDA to make there no one suggested?

              Who knows why they decided to talk the Constitution?
              And confirmation of the existence of God in the basic law of a country that considers itself secular is generally beyond the bounds.

              especially after this laughing

            5. +30
              3 March 2020 11: 13
              And I, I’ll tell you, colleagues, why they are chattering the Constitution. Then, so that no one would pay attention to the amendment regarding the Central Bank. Krasheninnikov strongly declared that the Central Bank would not be nationalized. And at the same time, an amendment is introduced into the Constitution, giving the Central Bank legislative initiative. I remind you that the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is separated from the state and subordinate to the IMF, therefore, the US Federal Reserve. The people, who do not understand anything in finances, but who are interested in the annual indexation of pensions, will vote for amendments, and then not only the country's finances, but we will all be under the direct control of the IMF and the Federal Reserve of America. Consequently, as a colony of Western capital, we are finalized.
              1. +19
                3 March 2020 12: 25
                Quote: depressant
                Krasheninnikov strongly stated that the Central Bank will not be nationalized

                Including therefore it is worth saying NO to constitutional amendments. We need to develop our own constitution based on our historical experience, and not amend the Constitution of Russia written by the Americans.
                1. -5
                  3 March 2020 17: 18
                  Your "No", nobody cares. Everything has already been calculated and directives to the governors have been issued - 60 turnout, 70 - for. By participating in the booth, you help the crooks do their job.
                  1. -2
                    3 March 2020 17: 56
                    You are right that they will rig the vote, but that we don’t need to vote, you are wrong. Necessarily, as this will complicate their task. But when the majority of the people "wake up" and say no to these rulers, then the country will have a chance. It is high time to show them that the people are the masters in their country, and not a bunch of usurpers. But they fool the people in all ways, the media are on their side, there is massive propaganda. They are lucky that our people are apathetic and indifferent to everything.
                    1. -2
                      3 March 2020 18: 37
                      There will be no observers interested in black counting. A TV picture with the appearance will be.
                      They are not interested in your opinion. They need to show that people have come. And to count, they have already counted. Or do you seriously think that the result of "amendments did not pass" is possible? These are cheaters, they charge every game for themselves in advance. Sitting at the table, you are already a sucker. Sorry.
                      1. -2
                        3 March 2020 18: 59
                        And when we silently swallow everything that they feed us, this gives them a reason to consider us even bigger suckers and despise us even more.
                        And in vain you think that there will be no observers, they will, but everywhere of course.
                      2. -5
                        3 March 2020 19: 10
                        See - the very process of changing the constitution is written on the knee and is illegal. This is not a constitutional meeting or a referendum, where the turnout should be 50% + 1. Here, in general, do not care who and where to come and how many people will vote. But the more it comes, the more people agree with the procedure. So they draw legitimacy. But it is not and cannot be. The replacement of the constitution is in violation of the current one. This is a freaking circus. You can’t go there. I went, so I agreed that this can be done both with the constitution and with you.
                      3. -3
                        3 March 2020 19: 30
                        And you count the administrative resource that will come and vote in the elections as it should. The army, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Russian Guard, the Ministry of Emergencies, officials and EdRo, will drive many state employees, the Foreign Ministry.
                        After all, there is no level for voting, this is not a referendum. These will vote "FOR", but so that these amendments do not come - everyone must come and say "NO" to this lawlessness that is happening.
                        I strongly doubt that there will be a separate vote - most likely in one package. So you have to go to the polls and say "NO".
                  2. +13
                    3 March 2020 19: 51
                    Quote: Whalebone
                    Everything has already been calculated and directives to the governors have been lowered - 60 appearances, 70 - for.

                    Do you have proof of this? Or is all the information like "one friend said"?
                    1. -3
                      3 March 2020 21: 39
                      I have information. I communicate with officials from the regional administration.
                      1. -2
                        4 March 2020 23: 28
                        Quote: Whalebone
                        I have information. I communicate with officials from the regional administration.
                        Whalebone is right! I support him!
                        I myself ran into a vote with fraud by members of the Electoral Commissions of the election results.
                        For all voters who did not come to vote, members of the electoral commission themselves filled in the ballots and signed for them in the turnout and distribution logs - as a rule, this was done by state employees and, above all, by teachers of schools in which the polling stations were located.
                        This is done half an hour before the end of the work of the polling station - and insolently.

                        All voters need it go vote and vote AGAINST these freaking manipulative amendments! Though I don't like our constitution
                        but in a new form it will be even worse for the people!
              2. +3
                3 March 2020 12: 42
                and therefore we will lose our Self! And with such amendments, not far from serfdom
                1. +1
                  3 March 2020 17: 20
                  Every citizen of the Russian Federation is obliged to join the EP, vote for Putin, take a mortgage and die a year before retirement. Die on time - do not strain their state!
              3. +1
                4 March 2020 16: 55
                Quote: depressant
                And I, I’ll tell you, colleagues, why they are chattering the Constitution. Then, so that no one would pay attention to the amendment regarding the Central Bank. Krasheninnikov strongly declared that the Central Bank would not be nationalized. And at the same time, an amendment is introduced into the Constitution, giving the Central Bank legislative initiative. I remind you that the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is separated from the state and subordinate to the IMF, therefore, the US Federal Reserve. The people, who do not understand anything in finances, but who are interested in the annual indexation of pensions, will vote for amendments, and then not only the country's finances, but we will all be under the direct control of the IMF and the Federal Reserve of America. Consequently, as a colony of Western capital, we are finalized.

                EKATERINBURG, January 29 - RIA Novosti. Changing the status of the Central Bank while introducing amendments to the Constitution will not lead to anything good, Pavel Krasheninnikov, head of the State Duma committee on state construction and legislation, co-chairman of the working group, said at a meeting on amendments to the Basic Law on Wednesday. "
                This is only his personal opinion.
            6. 0
              3 March 2020 11: 43
              Quote: Stas157
              Who knows why they decided to talk the Constitution?

              But who chatter - then? Nothing about the Central Bank, but the State Council is available! Everything is straightforward and frank! We look at what the Duma will propose; otherwise no other has been given. So far, these are just proposals, there will be a bunch of amendments, but if you take into account that edros are controlled by the authorities, there are no special changes IMHO.
            7. +8
              3 March 2020 11: 57
              Yes, everyone knows .. That after 24 years Vova will not retire .. For this, there are half a page ..
              And the remaining 23 and a half so that the people would vote as they should
            8. +10
              3 March 2020 12: 08
              Quote: Stas157
              And confirmation of the existence of God in the basic law of a country that considers itself secular is generally beyond.

              I agree with you, especially since these amendments are proposed to the president of the secular state by the patriarch, that same person who is separate from the state. Here, as they say, you must either remove the cross or put on your underpants. And what about atheists and unbelievers? After making this amendment, these citizens of the Russian Federation automatically become criminals who violate the Basic Law. What to do with them? Deprive of citizenship, imprisonment, forcibly baptized and obligated to attend churches and mosques?
            9. +2
              3 March 2020 18: 44
              Quote: Stas157
              It seems that they have decided to make everything in the Constitution!

              "if you want to hide, put it in the most conspicuous place." All amendments are a wrapper around the amendment on the State Council.
            10. -1
              5 March 2020 04: 43
              - 2 grilled meat patties, a special sauce of cheese, cucumbers, lettuce and onions, all on a bun with sesame seeds.
              - Is this also to be added to the Constitution?
              - Yes
          2. -6
            3 March 2020 10: 05
            Here, many do not even agree that state-forming Russian people . And you are for God and the State Testament .. What further to discuss. Someone even dragged pensions. This is an amendment to the Constitution :)
            1. +6
              3 March 2020 10: 16
              Quote: seti
              Here, many do not agree even with the fact that the Russian people are state-forming

              Who does not agree? I don’t know those!
              1. -15
                3 March 2020 10: 42
                Read the comments. Here's an example -
                Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
                On the first point "IN GENERAL", I do not agree !!!

                And such here in bulk. As well as those that dad / mom / child is across the throat.
              2. +29
                3 March 2020 10: 49
                Quote: Stas157
                Quote: seti
                Here, many do not agree even with the fact that the Russian people are state-forming

                Who does not agree? I don’t know those!

                Hi hi . Although Russian, I would not have included this item. Firstly, what does it change and what does this paragraph give? What rights or powers does the Russian people give? If not, then why? Or if only then the discussion would unfold, and the Tatars, for example, or the Bashkirs, after the Horde, are they like, state-forming or not? The Horde was before the Russian (Moscow) state, and many historians evaluate the Moscow state as the heir to the Horde. Disputes will definitely arise, who is the most important and state-forming in the country, and what will be the benefit?
                Further, about the mention of God. Generally delirium, delusional. Mentioned also what? What does it give? Well, let’s then mention a lot more that exists in the World or who believes in it. Well, for example, black holes can be mentioned in the constitution. They lie in the center of all galaxies, they are very important, and even in our country budget money disappears, just like in a black hole.
                It was correctly noted above that only traffic rules are still left there. The solyanka is continuous from many empty points, from which it is not clear what should follow, what are the legal and legislative consequences? In general, all these points, and fortunately many understand this, the network is nothing more than an information fog. He was called to cover up the illegal creation of the State Council, the redistribution of power and the fact that the current procedure for changing the Constitution is NOT legal. BY LAW, the procedure for amending the Constitution is different.

                PS But most of all "touches" the cheating with the supposed vote for everything in one package. There are only two possible answers to such a cloud, in many cases of delusional amendments: YES or NO.
                In this regard, to all supporters of the current amendment of the Constitution, I propose to answer as a test only one small set of questions: Do you love dad, mom, Hitler?
                Variants of answers: Yes or no.
                Good luck in the test, gentlemen. hi
                1. +18
                  3 March 2020 11: 07
                  Hi! hi
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  Do you love dad, mom, Hitler?
                  Answer Options: YES or NO.

                  This is tin, of course. But, it is in such a fork manipulators they put people in power when they propose voting in favor of all amendments in droves.
                2. +1
                  3 March 2020 11: 32
                  Goblin 1975, I need an amendment about the Russians. In order to feel that I’m not taking root in my own country, not an ephemeral entity that seems to exist, but no one sees it point blank, but a full-fledged citizen of their homeland. Throughout its territory. In any national republic. So that a Russian person, based on his real capabilities, achievements and abilities, could occupy any leading position in national territorial entities. The package of amendments causes my sharp rejection for another reason - the Central Bank, as reported above. Let them amend the nationalization of the Central Bank. Otherwise, all other amendments are air concussion, and the Constitution will be colonial after the adoption of the amendments.
                  1. +9
                    3 March 2020 12: 04
                    Quote: depressant
                    Goblin 1975, I need an amendment about the Russians. In order to feel that I’m not taking root in my own country, not an ephemeral entity, which, as it were, but no one sees her point blank, but a full-fledged citizen of their homeland. Throughout its territory.

                    Lyudmila hi. For this we need not an entry in the Constitution, but another, much more social state, with a patriotic elite and equality before the law for all.
                    Well, they made this amendment (about us Russians) in the Constitution and ...? And then what? The power is the same, the vector of movement of the country with this power is still the same - as a result, they get further, the rest of the population, including and the Russians continue to be poor. It is unlikely that in such conditions, you will feel like a mistress in the country and rejoice that the state has paid attention to you (if only of course, that you could still rummage around in your pockets). And here is an example from recent history:
                    TASS-DOSSIER. On October 3, 2017, Russian President Vladimir Putin appointed the interim head of the Republic of Dagestan, Vladimir Vasilyev, Deputy Speaker of the State Duma and head of the United Russia parliamentary faction. At the head of the republic, he replaced Ramazan Abdulatipov, who led Dagestan since January 2013. For the first time since 1948, the first person in Dagestan will be a person who does not belong to any of the three largest national groups of the republic - Avars, Dargins, or Kumyks.

                    Those. and now, without any changes to the Constitution, without any protrusion of nationality, anyone can be appointed head of even a national republic. Well, yes, Vasiliev is not Russian, but let him appoint a Russian, the law still does not interfere with this. There would be worthy candidates.
                    As for the Central Bank, I myself can’t say anything, I didn’t understand this issue. But to your opinion, on this issue, completely trust.

                    PS Your opinion on the Russian issue in the Constitution is understandable, I always treat you with respect. hi
                    1. 0
                      3 March 2020 19: 29
                      The most, Goblin, pleasant in this flame is a change in the consciousness of the participants. Three years ago, for such epithets, a million minuses and an eternal ban would immediately have flown to the GDP. And now citizens are gaining a civic position. No one in the Russian Federation spoils the authorities like she does. I am very pleased that self-awareness is growing and I believe that the movement of rallying is not far off. After all, the left can unite with the right for observing the law.
                      1. -2
                        3 March 2020 19: 51
                        Quote: Whalebone
                        The most, Goblin, pleasant in this flame is a change in the consciousness of the participants. Three years ago, for such epithets, a million minuses and an eternal ban would immediately have flown to the GDP. And now citizens are gaining a civic position. No one in the Russian Federation spoils the authorities like she does. I am very pleased that self-awareness is growing and I believe that the movement of rallying is not far off. After all, the left can unite with the right for observing the law.

                        I fully agree with you. hi
                      2. +1
                        4 March 2020 11: 48
                        Quote: Whalebone
                        GDP would immediately fly a million minuses and an eternal ban. And now citizens are gaining a civic position.


                        Just citizens leave the VO site, looking at what it turns into. It makes no sense to fight for a site whose Russophobic orientation is maintained at the editorial level. hi
                      3. -3
                        5 March 2020 14: 49
                        Calling thieves thieves Russophobia has never been considered.
                        "How did you get it once,
                        So, apparently, it will be ahead:
                        Although not everyone robs a patriot,
                        But every thief is a patriot. '
                        It is written in the 19th century. Zhemchuzhnikov - I suppose, too, Russophobe?
                      4. +3
                        5 March 2020 15: 08
                        Quote: Whalebone
                        It is written in the 19th century. Zhemchuzhnikov - I suppose, too, Russophobe?


                        This misanthrope. It hurt people did not like. That's why he did not get married. It is painfully sarcastic and nonliving. I agree, by the way, I forgot about misanthropes.
                        At VO there was a touching union of Russophobes and misanthropes. And they agreed in hatred of today's Russia. smile
                      5. -1
                        7 March 2020 08: 19
                        Hatred of the occupation regime cannot be called Russophobia. Enlighten, maybe let go.
                      6. +2
                        7 March 2020 09: 26
                        We, the overwhelming majority of Russian citizens, have chosen the current government in the All-Russian elections. And she, for the most part, lives up to our expectations. And you have to submit to our choice. It happens - the minority is obliged to obey the majority. And the minority, in this case, has a simple choice: either agree with the majority opinion and build a country together or enter into confrontation and become outcasts.
                        The choice is yours.
                  2. +4
                    3 March 2020 12: 16
                    Quote: depressant
                    I need an amendment about the Russians. In order to feel that I’m not taking root in my own country, not an ephemeral entity that seems to exist, but no one sees it point blank, but a full-fledged citizen of their homeland.

                    Now we will live, of course! With the awareness of its state-forming role, even palm oil will taste better. Officials will also send, but already to "you" ...
                3. +9
                  3 March 2020 11: 37
                  I, too, have lost my brain and am inclined to even go to the site and say NO.
                4. -13
                  3 March 2020 12: 01
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  I, although Russian, this item would not include


                  you flatter yourself. The presence of a Russian surname does not automatically make anyone Russian.
                  And judging by your inventions you are in no way non-Russian.
                  1. +16
                    3 March 2020 12: 11
                    Quote: lopvlad
                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    I, although Russian, this item would not include


                    you flatter yourself. The presence of a Russian surname does not automatically make anyone Russian.
                    And judging by your inventions you are in no way non-Russian.

                    I myself will decide, knowing my ancestors, who I am. Without you personally. Will you still indicate to me who I am by nationality. Maybe you’ll start measuring the skulls? So with me your number will not work. I have blond hair, gray eyes and Slavic features. My great-grandmother is from the Mogilev province (from small nobles, the surname Moroz is on the list of nobles of the Mogilev province), and my great-grandfather is from the Cossacks of the Voronezh province. Great-grandfather met his great-grandmother when he stood in their apartment during the WWII. You would be so worried about the Russians of Donbass as you were for me, he decides here who is Russian and who is not.

                    PS Anyone who will poke my nationality at me and decide who I am will receive this kind of communication.
                    1. 0
                      6 March 2020 21: 01
                      Quote: Leshy1975
                      Maybe you’ll start measuring the skulls? So with me your number will not work. I have blond hair, gray eyes and Slavic features.


                      it’s you and people like you who are able and demand to measure the shape of the skull. And I'm talking about the Russian soul, the presence or absence of which does not depend on either nationality or pedigree.
                  2. -4
                    5 March 2020 01: 22
                    ABOUT! It started! Surname is not a guarantee that you are Russian :) excellent. And what is the guarantee? Skull shape ?;) Whose traditions do you honor?
                5. -2
                  3 March 2020 14: 04
                  "BY LAW, the procedure for changing the Constitution is different." Just to change THESE sections of the Constitution, no MANDATORY voting is required. A constitutional majority in both chambers and support of the overwhelming majority of the legislative assemblies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation are required.
                  1. +4
                    3 March 2020 14: 13
                    Quote: Sergej1972
                    "BY LAW, the procedure for changing the Constitution is different." Just to change THESE sections of the Constitution, no MANDATORY voting is required. A constitutional majority in both chambers and support of the overwhelming majority of the legislative assemblies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation are required.

                    But what about the introduction of the State Council? Chapter 1 of the Constitution clearly lists ALL authorities of the Russian Federation. Which State Council is not there:
                    Article 11
                    1. State power in the Russian Federation is exercised President of the Russian Federation, Federal Assembly (Council of Federation and State Duma), Government of the Russian Federation, courts of the Russian Federation.

                    And local governments are elected, not appointed by the president:
                    Article 12
                    In the Russian Federation, local government is recognized and guaranteed. Local self-government within its powers independently. Local government bodies are not included in the system of public authorities.

                    A change of chapter 1 is possible only by convening the Constitutional Assembly.

                    PS Study more closely the Constitution of Chapter 1 and the procedure for changing it. hi
                    1. -2
                      3 March 2020 15: 05
                      Many people here understand that all these amendments are "muddy" and I only hope for a new president, and if he is not from Putin's circle, he thinks he will cancel all these amendments.
                      1. +1
                        3 March 2020 15: 08
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        Many people here understand that all these amendments are "muddy" and I only hope for a new president, and if he is not from Putin's circle, he thinks he will cancel all these amendments.

                        Then it will be easier to write a new Constitution, which, in my opinion, will be more correct after such a pogrom and chaos in it. hi
                      2. -1
                        3 March 2020 19: 20
                        + but not only the new Constitution. 2/3 of the laws adopted by the State Duma over the past 10 years - in the furnace. The state will have to reformat.
                      3. +1
                        3 March 2020 19: 50
                        Quote: Whalebone
                        + but not only the new Constitution. 2/3 of the laws adopted by the State Duma over the past 10 years - in the furnace. The state will have to reformat.

                        After these mediocrities, you really have to reformat everything .. heaped up .. and how much more heaped up ..
                    2. -1
                      3 March 2020 15: 14
                      And the first chapter is not supposed to make changes. The State Council will be prescribed in the ordinary law. This already testifies to the fact that it will not be the most paramount, but a coordinating and deliberative body.
                      1. +5
                        3 March 2020 15: 25
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        And the first chapter is not supposed to make changes. The State Council will be prescribed in the ordinary law. This already testifies to the fact that it will not be the most paramount, but a coordinating and deliberative body.

                        We have with the president, with the government, with the Defense Ministry, with the housing and communal services office, etc. there are community councils. And not one of them is said in the Constitution. Because, they don’t have any power whatsoever. And if the State Council, as you assure, is just
                        coordinating body
                        all the more so, in the Constitution he has nothing to do. And Mr. Putin, he is free to create and dissolve such an authority five, seven times a week. Without any mention of such a body in the Constitution. It can simply do it as a hobby, in the morning it creates, in the evening it dissolves or changes its composition. Until you play enough.
                        So don't fool people, most are well aware that this is NOT legal. And I hope that for violation of the law, the organizers of the anti-constitutional coup will nevertheless be subsequently asked. Even without looking at any articles about immunity
                        anyone there.
                6. -1
                  3 March 2020 18: 41
                  Plus a lot. About the sun rises in the East and the ban (permission to increase the turnout) for peasants to go to the women's bath. In the United States for nearly 250 years, 27 (twenty-seven) amendments. Type 1 in ten years practically. And here again - and hello.
            2. +7
              3 March 2020 11: 57
              Quote: seti
              Here many do not even agree that the Russian people are state-forming.

              What's next? Will the Russian people now die out more slowly because they are "state-forming"? What will change in the life of the Russian people? Again, these beautiful words without specific deeds. From the fact that the Air Force became the Aerospace Forces, we did not see space cruisers and space marines with blasters ... The Russian people are the state-forming ones, the Russian officials are the states that do not ask for the sake of the speakers, and the "Russian" power is the state that steals. Didn't we know this before?
          3. +18
            3 March 2020 10: 10
            For the faith! Of the king! And the fatherland!
            Deja vu.
          4. +2
            3 March 2020 10: 26
            Quote: Svarog
            The rest I agree.

            A bold statement from you, probably top-hype? Bet you don't?
            1. +9
              3 March 2020 10: 34
              Quote: Malyuta
              Quote: Svarog
              The rest I agree.

              A bold statement from you, probably top-hype? Bet you don't?

              Well, I am absolutely not opposed to such points:
              - The RF Constitution proposes to consolidate the definition of family as a union of a man and a woman.
              -Another point is proposed - about the veneration of the memory of the defenders of the Fatherland and the inadmissibility of a revision of their exploit.
              This is a fact of discussion .. Although this is a complete profanation .. but in essence I do not mind the definition ..
              If there is a "package" vote, then naturally I will vote against. Since I support only two points unconditionally, but for the rest, either categorically, no or it is not clear what does it mean, no, if it is not clear then something is muddied ..
              1. +1
                3 March 2020 14: 00
                Quote: Svarog
                - The RF Constitution proposes to consolidate the definition of family as a union of a man and a woman.

                You know, I’m not even against the fact that the definition of a family is fixed by a clarification:
                union of man and woman (women). It is better to legalize the polygamy of men than homosexuality.
          5. +5
            3 March 2020 10: 47
            There are 146 million citizens in the country, but who is to blame? Some kind of discrepancy. When Uncle Gorby came to power, I remember how he was met in labor collectives, on the street, they watched TV with bated breath, and at political studies and political information in workshops and institute auditoriums and laboratories, they studied "new thinking." So they would spit, stop this bacchanalia with Gorby's "personality cult". In the end, this happened when the people realized that they were being bred. Only nothing good came of it, but it went "tishka-tear" in the country.
          6. 0
            3 March 2020 18: 57
            Quote: Svarog
            And items about God

            each has its own God.
            the constitution is not specifically stated.
            Well, the Jews. Christians and Muslims - one God.
            But what about Buddhists?
            Evenkov. idolaters
            or these
            church of the flying pasta monster
        2. +21
          3 March 2020 10: 06
          Quote: seti
          Hunchback was not the president of the Russian Federation. Yeltsin has long spread. So far we have one President. Do you disagree with this? .
          Have you already buried Medvedev? When to wait for an obituary?
          1. +1
            3 March 2020 10: 09
            Honestly forgot for him. You have earned a plus from me.
            1. -11
              3 March 2020 10: 19
              No less interesting is the proposal to include in the Constitution a provision on the immunity of the former president of the Russian Federation.
              Than? It was, is, let it be.
              1. +3
                3 March 2020 15: 11
                But for the sake of this amendment, Putin muddied the whole process. He himself used to say that the president in Russia is responsible for everything that happens in the country, but now he himself has "fled" from responsibility.
                Imagine that some president will do "business", for example, give up the Kuril Islands and what to do with it, but nothing - he will be immune from any responsibility. No, people, you can't do that, so I urge everyone to vote against.
                1. 0
                  3 March 2020 19: 54
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  But for the sake of this amendment, Putin muddied the whole process. He himself used to say that the president in Russia is responsible for everything that happens in the country, but now he himself has "fled" from responsibility.

                  So it’s not in vain that they call him fabulous .. which he just didn’t utter .. here and now he is trying to protect himself, he wants to be unreported ..
        3. +12
          3 March 2020 10: 18
          Quote: seti
          You can also find fault with the post, but personally I like such corrections and you would need to spit in the well - you are always unhappy with something judging by the comments.

          Well from, morning began on the collective farm laughing Went HEAT wassat Bulo everything is so peaceful and folding, and here you are, amending him .....
          Have you at least read them completely, or so, according to the evening M ?!
          That is, you like the legalization of poverty of $ 180? Or a lump sum in the form of a monthly salary of a freelance deputy?
          No, no, no, I personally do not intend to participate in this clownery with "package" agreements, and I will not add legitimacy to this action, for this there are jumpers with different poles and other "cultural" figures.
          At least my conscience will be clear to my children.
          Pysy. I do not impose my opinion on anyone, this is my personal, so to speak IMHA.
          1. +11
            3 March 2020 11: 19
            Malyuta
            No, no, no, personally, I definitely participate in this clowning with "package" agreements, I do not intend and I will not add legitimacy to this action
            So then maybe all the same come and vote against the amendment?
            I don’t know who how, personally I’ll go and vote AGAINST. Because behind the screen of all these curtains, everyone is preparing a pig for us.
            But I am more than sure that the amendments will be supported by 146% of the "population". Sleight of hand and no fraud ... laughing
            1. +22
              3 March 2020 12: 35
              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              I don’t know who how, personally I’ll go and vote AGAINST

              Definitely need to go and vote AGAINST! Even if the amendments are adopted, let the authorities at least know the attitude of the people towards their domestic policy.
            2. -3
              3 March 2020 19: 22
              You can’t walk. This is to play with a sharpie his deck.
              1. +2
                3 March 2020 19: 56
                Quote: Whalebone
                You can’t walk. This is to play with a sharpie his deck.

                It’s necessary to go, but the campaign must be combined with the rally .. Get out on the common front and left and right, everyone who disagrees .. and show how many of us .. under such a press it will be difficult to falsify, in Moscow five million will come out with posters .. and that they will do?
                1. -4
                  3 March 2020 21: 46
                  Rosguard will so mutilate you for a rally on election day that it will beat off the hunt. And then there will be articles for resistance to law enforcement bodies and obstruction of the will of citizens. The meeting is relevant until the 22nd. And the slogan can be only one. Of the three words. You yourself know which ones.
                2. -1
                  3 March 2020 21: 47
                  If at least one million goes to Moscow, then there will be accidents in the lanes in Vnukovo 3, because of those who want to fly in faster, believe me.
          2. +1
            3 March 2020 14: 45
            Quote: Malyuta
            Pysy. I do not impose my opinion on anyone, this is my personal, so to speak IMHA.

            Any IMHA and dog posted on the Internet is already an information war shell. Which way they are flying can be seen by what purpose the writer sets himself. As stated: “Late to shave our mustache, Comrade Kerensky.” laughing
        4. +11
          3 March 2020 10: 24
          Quote: seti
          Hunchback was not the president of the Russian Federation. Yeltsin has long spread. So far we have one President

          Some hunchback with a spot on his forehead
          Suddenly decided to light the wick
          And he gave the pipe to every Jacob
          And made a fairy tale come true
          And above the gold languishes Koschey.
          The ghouls again took power.
          And we are for them something like acne.
          They are upon us and lie.

          And before it was not like that:
          Gagarin flew
          Played "Spartacus".
          And the trains went to the virgin lands.
          What, you bastards, prosrali country!

          Ivan on a swamp kisses toads
          As always, trashy
          And Mary put a hijab on him
          And converted to Islam.
          Dobrynya Nikitich is a cool brother,
          And Alyosha Popovich is a cop.
          And Muromets went to the Middle East
          And beats for every cent ........ (s)
          Quote: seti
          you are always unhappy with something judging by the comments.

          Oh-oh, they’ll answer us for raising the retirement age.
        5. +10
          3 March 2020 10: 32
          Yeltsin has long spread.

          Yes, Yeltsin has long since died.
          I remember when I was standing at his tombstone, a little boy asked his mother in a whisper: "Mom, why is there such an awesome big stone on Yeltsin's grave? So that you don't get out?"
        6. -1
          3 March 2020 10: 33
          Quote: seti
          For the veneration of the Defenders of the Fatherland?

          Such things should go from the heart and from the soul, and not to the obligation, like: if you don’t read it, it’s fine!
        7. +4
          3 March 2020 10: 34
          Quote: seti
          Humpbacked was not the president of the Russian Federation

          RF legal successor of the USSR. Therefore, it concerns ... and Yeltsin, too sad
        8. +6
          3 March 2020 10: 38
          Quote: seti
          So far we have one President. Do you disagree with this? Don't you agree for dad / mom / baby? For the fact that the Russian people are state-forming? For the veneration of the Defenders of the Fatherland?

          Under item number 1 Do not you already buried a dimon? And the second - if even ONE point does not suit me, I will vote against! I'm against it already! hi
        9. 0
          3 March 2020 10: 43
          I sympathize ... oh and they’ll throw you now ... ((
        10. +2
          3 March 2020 12: 42
          seti (Matvey Livanov) Today, 09: 53
          So far we have one President. Do you disagree with this?


          No, I do not agree.
          You forgot about Medvedev.

          Don't you agree for dad / mom / baby? For the fact that the Russian people are state-forming? For the veneration of the Defenders of the Fatherland?


          You "cannot see the forest for the trees."
          All these amendments are just a "smoke screen" to hide the main thing - to give constitutional status to the State Council. The principles of formation, the functions and powers of which, will be determined after the voting.
          For all the corrections, is expected vote "wholesale" rather than individually. Therefore, in order to guarantee that the "main" amendment will pass - and what may please both a wider circle of people - some God, some a traditional family, some the memory of veterans.
        11. +8
          3 March 2020 13: 43
          Quote: seti
          Hunchback was not the president of the Russian Federation. Yeltsin has long spread.

          Uncle! The Russian people are not required to maintain the protection and maintenance of the widow of EBN, and it is not worth mentioning the house of EBN at all ...
          But you, personally, vote as your party ticket and DAM tells you.
        12. +6
          3 March 2020 13: 58
          Why spit?
          And here it is?
          A specific amendment on immunity does not suit, it is harmful.
          Can you do anything, and then when you open it is not necessary to answer?
        13. 0
          3 March 2020 14: 34
          Quote: seti
          Hunchback was not the president of the Russian Federation. Yeltsin has long spread. So far we have one President. Do you disagree with this?

          TWO, ​​actually. They forgot Medvedev.
        14. +1
          4 March 2020 05: 01
          In fact, two, they forgot a lot ... The president should be responsible for his work, including before the court (if there is something).
      2. +15
        3 March 2020 09: 59
        I also do not quite understand this point, however, as the divine.
        There is a law "Federal Law of February 12, 2001 N 12-FZ" On guarantees to the President of the Russian Federation, who has terminated the exercise of his powers, and his family members "(with amendments and additions)" what else do you need? Why stick it into the Constitution.
        1. +2
          3 March 2020 10: 39
          Quote: YOUR
          There is a law "Federal Law of February 12, 2001 N 12-FZ" On guarantees to the President of the Russian Federation, who has terminated the exercise of his powers, and his family members "(with amendments and additions)" what else do you need?

          Need to cancel it! hi
          1. +12
            3 March 2020 11: 01
            Quote: fif21
            Need to cancel it!

            South Korea never ceases to amaze with its "lawlessness"! She once again surprised the whole world. In the country, completely peacefully, with practically no casualties and with full compliance with legal procedures, they did what in many other countries looks practically unthinkable: President Park Geun-hye was dismissed ahead of schedule, who four years ago more than half of the country was ready to carry in her arms and who herself categorically did not want to leave the post. And just a couple of days ago, Korea again made foreigners shake their heads in surprise: the same Park Geun-hye was first summoned for interrogation by the General Prosecutor's Office, and then eventually arrested and now sits in a small solitary confinement cell, where she is now called “ number 503 "- according to the serial number embroidered on the prison uniform. And the chances are very high that she will eventually join the list of the country's leaders who will be sentenced to long imprisonment.
            Really young Koreans are some kind of maniacs, because in the history of South Korea, not a single president ended his term “calmly”: either he himself, or his relatives ended up in prison, or the president was prematurely removed from office, or, worse, sometimes the case ended with "fatal outcomes." Korea would seem to be a very calm country, but politics is clearly not the kind of work that adds years of life, especially to presidents.
            This is not our method comrades !!! It is just necessary to combine two points into one God = President or vice versa, then it will be possible to determine the lifelong maintenance of all descendants until the end of the centuries, derive family trees, build temples of democracy, like Yöburg, well, generally worship by all available means.
        2. +3
          3 March 2020 11: 49
          A colleague of YOUR, and then a guarantee to the former president in the Constitution, they try to stick that the laws do not work for us! And those who are pushing this amendment know it very well. And if you make the laws work ... Oh, what will happen! They, the laws, are such that one half of them contradicts the other, and even within one law there are contradictions between its articles. That is why they make an amendment - they are afraid of their own laws and cunning lawyers. Without the amendment, it will always be possible to find a law that is contrary to the law on the immunity of the former president and to condemn the retired person. Someone, knowing how the "mad printer" works, is very afraid.
          1. +1
            3 March 2020 12: 41
            So any law can be repealed or amended, for example, in the Constitution
        3. +3
          3 March 2020 11: 55
          There is a law "Federal Law of February 12, 2001 N 12-FZ" On guarantees to the President of the Russian Federation, who has terminated the exercise of his powers, and his family members "(with amendments and additions)" what else do you need? Why stick it into the Constitution.

          Then it is to poke that when all the deeds of Putin and Medvedev come up - there will be the only desire to tear them to pieces. So, so that they could be officially protected, they will introduce it.
          Batch voting is generally prohibitive.
          By the way, the Duma will approve all amendments first, and then vote.
          Although, in conscience, a referendum is needed.
          What is the difference between voting and a referendum - google it yourself, I hope you are not banned there.
          1. 0
            3 March 2020 12: 44
            Not only this is outraged. Outraged by the explanation why the vote is scheduled for April 22. For the Orthodox fasting has ended; for Muslims, their celebration has not yet begun. It seems like we have a secular state, but after reading this you understand not. And all as one believers.
            1. 0
              5 March 2020 01: 40
              This is a joke :) they just have little time. Then summer and people can’t be gathered, but something burns out in them. There are almost no patients with the virus in the country
      3. +23
        3 March 2020 10: 03
        Quote: Svarog
        Do you think that the president should not be held responsible after the end of his term?

        Of course not. This is not a drunken woman driving, or a soldier who damaged equipment. The President is a free pianist, he plays as best he can, and shoot him no way!
        PS
        And yes. In fact, the president in Russia is a completely irresponsible person. Not responsible for anything. Well, this fact is enshrined in the constitution. What surprises you?
        1. -1
          3 March 2020 10: 38
          In fact, the president in Russia is a completely irresponsible person. Not responsible for anything.


          Means to keep in a mental hospital after a term. Lunatics also do not answer for anything and do not dispose of property. And then still cripple or deceive ..
          Or is he not violent? belay
      4. +8
        3 March 2020 10: 04
        Quote: Svarog
        The hunchbacked country has collapsed and lives happily ever after with a pension of 600 tons.

        And Yeltsin was even set up a mausoleum.
        1. +14
          3 March 2020 10: 10
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Svarog
          The hunchbacked country has collapsed and lives happily ever after with a pension of 600 tons.

          And Yeltsin was even set up a mausoleum.

          And don’t say .. Shame and impunity, cause shame ..
        2. 0
          3 March 2020 10: 21
          Quote: tihonmarine
          And Yeltsin was even set up a mausoleum.

          I agree that there are no mausoleums in the Constitution. SHOW! angry
          1. +3
            3 March 2020 12: 16
            Colleague Mauritius, not so loud! wassat
            And then they will seize on your idea, make an amendment, and under it they will tear down the Lenin Mausoleum. He has been burning Putin’s soles for a long time when he has to stand on it during parades. And Yeltsin-cent, not having the status of a mausoleum, will remain.
            1. 0
              3 March 2020 13: 15
              Quote: depressant
              Yeltsin-cent, not having the status of a mausoleum, will remain.

              Well, about the Yeltsincentr in the Constitution there. SHOW! angry
      5. +11
        3 March 2020 11: 06
        I believe that immunity is needed by the "main carrier of state secrets." If you arrange a trial over him, you never know what the judge will demand from him and the defendant will be obliged to say too much. But we should add a ban on ex-presidents from dumping abroad for permanent residence for the duration of all state secrets known to him.
        1. +2
          3 March 2020 12: 19
          This is right, Grandfather Kostya!
      6. -10
        3 March 2020 11: 34
        Quote: Svarog
        Do you think that the president should not be held responsible after the end of his term? Personally, this item does not suit me at all ..

        If we allow the retiree-president to fine every traffic cop from personal views on pension reform, then do not expect presidential activity to pacify the oligarchs. The latter, for a hundred rubles, will definitely be bought for an objectionable signed law. Primitive reasoning. The president of the country is not the head of the housing office at all. And the state should provide him with retirement protection so that he is not afraid of strong-willed decisions in power.
    2. +14
      3 March 2020 09: 49
      God, family, people, garbage reform, pension reform, VAT, contributions for thorough repairs ... cheers comrades
      1. +3
        3 March 2020 10: 05
        Quote: Clever man
        God, family, people, garbage reform, pension reform, VAT, contributions for thorough repairs ... cheers comrades

        And again the same "Perestroika, accordion, hurray!"
    3. +27
      3 March 2020 09: 55
      I am totally against it. Need a new constitution. Enough to live according to the basic law of our country donated by the USA.
      1. +24
        3 March 2020 09: 56
        Amendments to the constitution do not change the situation inside the country.
        1. +10
          3 March 2020 10: 05
          Quote: Arlen
          Amendments to the constitution do not change the situation inside the country.

          You're right. That nothing will change for the better from these changes .. The people are the same, the same economic policies, a capitalist state, with a lean towards the monarchy .. nothing good can be expected, only socialism will save Russia!
          1. -5
            3 March 2020 11: 43
            Quote: Svarog
            The same people, the same economic policy, a capitalist state, with a lean towards the monarchy .. nothing good can be expected, only socialism will save Russia!

            In addition to the amendments, also change the people? But about "only socialism ....." you are very little worried about it. Judging by the electorate of the Communist Party, you still need to work and work on the labor masses. At the same time, the remaining 8 billion of the world's population are not waiting for you either.
        2. +1
          3 March 2020 10: 09
          God, family, Russian people:
          cynicism as it is. deceived and deceived again. where in the amendments that it’s impossible to arrange everything for the matchmaker or children, that the hut is in England for children, that the children live there ... threshing floor .. not amendments.
      2. +1
        3 March 2020 14: 10
        Actually, the construction of our Constitution is more reminiscent of the construction of the 1958 French Constitution. naturally, adjusted for the federal nature of the state. But the distribution of powers between the center and the subjects is more similar to the constitutions of the FRG or India. The so-called "cooperative federalism".
    4. +4
      3 March 2020 10: 14
      Quote: seti
      I fully FOR such amendments.
      In particular, not against this.
      It is also prescribed that the president will exercise overall leadership of the country, which in fact turns him into the head of the executive branch of Russia.
      You are leading the country, so be responsible for the execution yourself, and do not transfer the arrows to fluffy iPhones.
    5. +4
      3 March 2020 10: 19
      Since God was remembered, it means that an unclean conscience was tortured to the end of life .. Swollen - well, how in reality in the next world you will soon have to answer for your sweet pranks? So they try to otmazatsya type ..
      1. +6
        3 March 2020 10: 26
        If God is recognized and inserted into the Constitution, then unclean power must be recognized. But it’s somehow very juicy - to recognize the evil spirits of the Constitution! feel
        1. +3
          3 March 2020 10: 36
          Quote: bessmertniy
          But it’s somehow very juicy - to recognize the evil spirits of the Constitution!

          It has long been recognized. Those articles where it is about government and the Duma.
    6. +4
      3 March 2020 10: 24
      Quote: seti
      I am completely FOR such amendments.

      According to the +/- ratio, the attitude of people to such amendments, I think, is noticeable. So we will see how "honest" are those who count when voting laughing
      1. +1
        3 March 2020 10: 58
        Here I "liked" it:
        So, in the Constitution of the Russian Federation the existence of the State Council can be fixed. formed by the president of the country. It is also prescribed that the president will exercise overall leadership of the country, which in fact turns him into the head of the executive branch of Russia.

        That is, speaking in plain language: there will be a "Tsar" of all Russia, relying on the "near council" (which itself chooses), on the "Duma" (pondering laws) ..... rather than Russia of the 17th century .. .. "oprichnina" is already there .... God has been dragged into something there ... Well, something else, there, already on 24 pages ... but the trick is that they will vote for "the whole the list "- cleverly thought up ..... wink
      2. -5
        3 March 2020 11: 45
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        So we will see how "honest" are those who count when voting

        The VO segment does not reflect the opinion of the whole people. Already checked more than once.
        1. +10
          3 March 2020 11: 51
          Quote: Den717
          The VO segment does not reflect the opinion of the whole people. Already checked more than once.

          Ugums. In this segment, there are almost completely no simple hard workers - shift workers, movers and other combine operators. There is no time for them to sew, to plow. And they love power so much, love it so much ... It’s like the cats of a veterinarian. Specializing in castration. So yes. The national average will be more negative than the global average.
          Dixi.
          1. +4
            3 March 2020 12: 40
            Lannan, I would like to think like you. But there is doubt. People who are accustomed to suspecting bad things will think: if pensions are being indexed, then there is some law according to which this is done. But if Putin offers to protect this situation with the power of the Constitution, then there are some bad people who are ready to abolish this law, or to consider it as a pivot after Putin's departure. They can go and vote for the amendments. Moreover, the CEC has already announced a massive early voting three days before the voter turnout. And then those will come to many who helpfully explain the situation in this aspect and say: "Please put a mark here!"
            1. -1
              3 March 2020 13: 26
              Quote: depressant
              And then those will come to many who helpfully explain the situation in this aspect and say: "Please put a mark here!"

              Tell me, did such walkers come to you? They suggested putting a tick in the place indicated by them?
          2. -3
            3 March 2020 13: 24
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            The national average will be more negative

            Hardly ... People, he is wiser ...
          3. +2
            3 March 2020 14: 15
            I have a different opinion from communicating with hard workers. Basically, either for Putin, or do not care. Some are against, but not from the liberal bell tower, but rather from the communist-socialist and (or) patriotic. But they also support many of Putin’s decisions, for example, in the Crimea ..
    7. +4
      3 March 2020 10: 50
      I am completely for such amendments

      In principle, many effective amendments.
      Family (mom, dad), defenders of the fatherland ,,, everything is fine, BUT I think to drag in God here and the Russians are not worth it here.
      Being Russian and Orthodox, I do not think that Russia is for Russians and Orthodox.
      Russia is a multinational and multiconfessional country.
      So let her stay.
      1. +5
        3 March 2020 13: 37
        Colleague Russobel!
        You can sleep well. There is no such thing that the Russians are more important. There are no Russians at all.
        Here's what the proposed amendment looks like:

        "The state language of the Russian Federation throughout its territory is the Russian language as the language of the state-forming people in the multinational union of equal peoples of the Russian Federation."

        I explain this tricky twist.
        Almost every resident of the Russian Federation speaks Russian. It happened, if only because we, Russians, 80% of the total population. I am already silent about who built Russia. This is outside the brackets. I’m saying that now it’s more important for understanding my thought, ---- all the inhabitants of the Russian Federation of different nationalities form a single people living on its territory — that's all! No one is separate, not separate. This means that all the inhabitants of the Russian Federation are a state-forming people who are able to speak Russian without exception. Therefore, the amendment to the Constitution is not about the Russian people, it is about all the people of the Russian Federation, it is still about Russian as the language of international communication and official documentation. We, who are Russians, were not in the Constitution, and, judging by the proposed amendment, will not be. Any lawyer will tell you this.
        And the rest will be there. Still. In other articles of the Constitution.
        This is not a Russian amendment!
        The smart guys from the amendment committee thought they had outplayed me. I admit only one thing: "We, the Russian people and other peoples ..."
    8. +5
      3 March 2020 12: 00
      The Constitution of the Russian Federation provisions on the state-forming role of the Russian people. Thus, it will be emphasized at the constitutional level that Russia is primarily a state of the Russian people.

      20 years in Russia is the genocide of the Russian people ....
      Purely populist move. ..
      On the sufferings of the Russian people ...
      Stop, and then I’ll tell myself the article.
    9. 0
      3 March 2020 14: 21
      Voting is secret. You have an active suffrage, so go and vote secretly. No one will give liberation - neither God, nor king, nor hero ...
    10. +3
      3 March 2020 15: 30
      I completely [b AGAINST [/ b] of such amendments.
      There is no criminal responsibility of the president - do what you want, promise anything.
      Family - that is, if dad and two children - it turns out not the family at all. Or mom with a baby. The options are different.
      Moreover, there is no need to write about this in the constitution of the shopping mall in the family code that there is a marriage and between whom it is concluded.
      State-forming Russian people? That is, the other peoples of the country sideways.
      In the USSR, with this bflo thought out. The concept - the Soviet people were much more logical.
      About God - in general, words are difficult to find. Tk Pts it is normal to comment on the delusional nature of this amendment.
      1. +2
        3 March 2020 21: 57
        Quote: Nubia2
        That is, the other peoples of the country sideways.

        Why only the rest? The concept of "state-forming" does not imply the transfer of ownership of the subsoil and the means of production, and this is a key issue.
      2. +1
        3 March 2020 22: 40
        Quote: Nubia2
        Tk Pts it is normal to comment on the delusional nature of this amendment.

        It’s even hard to read you ... request laughing
        1. -1
          4 March 2020 17: 59
          Then my advice to you is as a teacher.
          Read more. With practice, lightness will come.
          Now, when you are just learning this difficult matter, it may seem that it is difficult.
          But, you will succeed. Of course, if you are not completely dumb.
          1. +1
            4 March 2020 19: 32
            Quote: Nubia2
            Then my advice to you is as a teacher.
            Read more. With practice, lightness will come.

            I have two diplomas of higher pedagogical education, but I always come across some kind of "teacher". feel
            1. -1
              April 15 2020 11: 24
              Quote: Tank Hard
              I have two diplomas of higher pedagogical education,

              the first time did not work?)))
    11. +2
      3 March 2020 20: 43
      Quote: seti
      I am completely FOR such amendments.

      Who would doubt that...
      The guarantor of the laws of all and the rules,
      When the deadline came
      Amendments forced to invent -
      Composed that he could.
      He took science as an example,
      The thing done in Kazakhstan,
      Where is the president for beauty
      Named - "Elbasy."
      What a low cunning
      Russian people to humiliate,
      To tyrannize and sprinkle him,
      To leave my kingdom,
      So that everyone would whisper to themselves:
      "When the hell takes you!"
      hi
    12. -4
      3 March 2020 21: 50
      Quote: seti
      I am completely for such amendments

      Support. hi
    13. 0
      6 March 2020 14: 30
      There should be an emphasis on the citizen of the country. Citizens should have equal rights and obligations regardless of nationality, religion and gender. Then no one will have complaints and grievances.
  2. +3
    3 March 2020 09: 38
    G. Khazanov is just a seer. No wonder he gave the crown.
  3. +20
    3 March 2020 09: 38
    No less interesting is the proposal to include in the Constitution a provision on the immunity of the former president of the Russian Federation. Although immunity was confirmed by law at the very beginning of the reign of Vladimir Putin

    I don’t agree with this and nothing was said about the State Council .. More precisely, it was said dimly .. about the mention of God, it’s also not entirely clear .. but the rest I agree ..
    Why should the former president not be touched? He’ll do business, and then don’t touch him .. Everyone should feel and bear responsibility ..
    1. +12
      3 March 2020 10: 08
      Why should the former president not be touched?


      It is equated with minors and loonies ... Even pregnant women are accountable to the law.
      1. +5
        3 March 2020 10: 27
        But not pregnant Presidents of the Russian Federation! wassat
    2. +6
      3 March 2020 10: 21
      Any government tailors the law as it sees fit. If there is a change of power to one that does not need it, then any amendments will be reviewed as soon as possible. Without these amendments, no one would have been touched, a futile undertaking.
      About the mention of God, I also do not understand, each person’s perception of it will not change from the word at all. Although in this case, there may be the opposite effect.
      1. +1
        3 March 2020 11: 14
        about cats is not said anywhere ... can you register on the "square" no?
  4. -1
    3 March 2020 09: 38
    On the first point "IN GENERAL", I do not agree !!!
  5. +20
    3 March 2020 09: 40
    "They began to press on patriotism. Apparently, they steal" (c)
    1. +5
      3 March 2020 10: 59
      Quote: Igoresha
      "They began to press on patriotism. Apparently, they steal" (c)

      (C) _ Saltykov Shchedrin.
    2. +2
      3 March 2020 13: 42
      And how, colleague! Even the Central Bank noted a shortage - either 300 or 400 billion rubles.
  6. +23
    3 March 2020 09: 41
    It’s a pity that Putin didn’t hear me ... The other day, I proposed to fix in the constitution the norm that football should be played in the summer, and hockey in the winter.
    1. +7
      3 March 2020 10: 22
      football should be played in the summer, and hockey in the winter.


      And observe Ohm's law and gravity. One simple question - what kind of amendment was this all about? What kind of government would never agree to be thrown out of the list .. Without "God" - they lived and will continue to live.
      1. +5
        3 March 2020 10: 25
        Earlier, under Stalin, we turned rivers back. Under Medvedev, we turned back time. Now we just "turned back".
      2. +2
        3 March 2020 16: 09
        Quote: dauria
        And abide by Ohm’s law and gravity

        Prohibit any changes to the Bradis table. The number π should be affirmed equal to 3,14159, regardless of the time of year.
    2. +3
      3 March 2020 10: 29
      Correctly. And in the same place to fix that children should not play with matches! wassat
    3. +7
      3 March 2020 10: 39
      I also have an amendment. Consider that spring comes to Russia every year.
      1. +3
        3 March 2020 11: 03
        To fix the sunrise in the Constitution in the morning. A circus with horses was arranged. request
        1. -1
          3 March 2020 13: 58
          Quote: DMB 75
          Consolidate constitutional sunrise in the morning. A circus with horses staged. request


          Implementation control - entrusted to the president.



          wassat laughing
      2. +1
        3 March 2020 11: 11
        This is not a fact. Winter has not come this year.
        1. +3
          3 March 2020 14: 46
          And all because it is not enshrined in the constitution.
          1. +1
            3 March 2020 20: 04
            This is not a fact. Winter has not come this year.

            And all because it is not enshrined in the constitution.

            laughing laughing wassat good laughed thanks!
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  7. +1
    3 March 2020 09: 44
    A link to all the edits would not hurt the article, otherwise it is a one-sided review?
  8. +18
    3 March 2020 09: 46
    For Faith ... Tsar ... Fatherland ... this was until 1917 ... returned to what they left a hundred years ago ... well, and somersaults of history. what
    1. +14
      3 March 2020 09: 49
      Quote: The same Lech
      For Faith ... Tsar ... Fatherland ... this was until 1917 ... returned to what they left a hundred years ago ... well, and somersaults of history. what

      All in a spiral .. further along the history of 1917 came ..
    2. -14
      3 March 2020 09: 54
      Quote: The same Lech
      For Faith ... Tsar ... Fatherland ...

      Is that bad ?
      1. +18
        3 March 2020 09: 57
        For Faith and Fatherland, I still understand ... but the Tsar, especially if he is an alcoholic or inadequate there will be a big question ... The Tsar must be responsible for his misconduct as well as ordinary citizens ... there should be no exceptions for anyone.
        1. -16
          3 March 2020 10: 01
          In education, 4-4 have already abolished the Fatherland. We fix it in the Constitution. In my opinion this is great. As for the tsar, we don’t have one and the president is only one. Of course he has misses, but the fact that he saved the country and although slowly pushes it forward is his merit. So the Law should protect it from future receivers - I think this is right.
          1. +4
            3 March 2020 10: 04
            but the fact that he saved the country and although slowly pushes it forward is his merit.

            Yes, I agree .... Putin, as the president of Russia, pulled her hair out of the swamp into which Russian President Yeltsin pushed her.
            We need insurance against mediocre and inadequate presidents ... otherwise, we again run the risk of repeating all the troubles of Russia. hi
            1. -11
              3 March 2020 10: 08
              Well, hang Hunchback tomorrow. What will it change ? Personally, I will get satisfaction, but the united country will not be returned. Need to go further. I also don’t agree with everything, but in the majority I like them.
              1. +16
                3 March 2020 10: 10
                He didn’t need to hang up, but he needed to arrange a court ... as a reminder to all future rulers of Russia that you should not dishonor and betray your country for the interests of the United States or even a foreign country for us ..
              2. +10
                3 March 2020 10: 12
                Quote: seti
                Well, hang Hunchback tomorrow. What will it change ?

                Another president will be more attentive to his duties - that’s what will change when a person knows that they will have to answer for the jambs, he knows he’s not tyrannical ..
        2. +10
          3 March 2020 10: 36
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          For Faith and Fatherland, I still understand ...
          Faith and religion are not the same thing. Why can every religious denomination speak on behalf of God, have some kind of monopoly on faith? Money and influence, this is the basis of religion, high morality, humanism, modesty and moderation, are clearly no longer the lot of snickering priests who are briskly making money on faith in God. Finally, in addition to religious denominations, there are atheists, what about their feelings?

          As for responsibility, the LAW should be a law for everyone, except how to demand law-abidingness from others, being beyond jurisdiction.
          1. +6
            3 March 2020 10: 41
            As for liability, before the LAW should be a law for all

            It sounds beautiful but not realistic in the conditions of the domination of the bourgeois class over the proletarians ... with a lot of money and loyalty to the existing government, punishment can be avoided. The law sometimes becomes the laughing stock of justice ... justice and the law should all be in one bottle.
            Now we have a law that turned to where it turned and it turned out ... there is no question of justice ... even take the law on the amnesty of stolen capital.
            Steal billions get an amnesty ... for it ... what ... the complete absurdity of law.
      2. +13
        3 March 2020 10: 07
        Quote: seti
        Quote: The same Lech
        For Faith ... Tsar ... Fatherland ...

        Is that bad ?

        Of course .. Forgot how it was under the king? So look at the story .. 14% of the educated population, an agrarian country mired in corruption and nepotism ..
        And compare what happened with the Communists.
        1. -13
          3 March 2020 10: 15
          Do you just remember the bad? And my relatives under the king thrived. She earned her hump with sweat and blood and lost everything in 17 and subsequent years. And many others under the king lived happily ever after. Who worked and not scratched his tongue. Each country has its pros and cons. There is no ideal state. Everywhere there are hard workers and loafers.
          1. +14
            3 March 2020 10: 20
            Well, then again, we are stratifying Russian society into the irreconcilable classes of the proletarians and the bourgeoisie ... this is antagonism.
            Why do we have children from the so-called golden youth who have not worked for a single day consider themselves higher in the position of a locksmith, plumber, janitor sticking their faces in their sweat all their lives ... irreconcilable contradictions in our society are already laid here.
            1. -11
              3 March 2020 10: 21
              Well, this is so in all countries. Or only in the Russian Federation? I agree that this is not correct and that someone believes that he is the most equal, but how to change this? The constitution?
              1. +11
                3 March 2020 10: 24
                I don’t know ... the revolution and the 70 years of communist power and their mediocre collapse in Russia showed that not everything is so smooth in the ideas of communism ... human vices are manifested even among stubborn communists.
                1. 0
                  3 March 2020 10: 39
                  So what do people want? They want a lot of money for tough wheelbarrows of tanned girls. There is nothing to not do rags of life to the fullest. Understand that they all owe them and personally they do not need anyone. For most young people, there is no concept of honor, kindness, caringness, responsibility, homeland duty. Humans themselves are bad creatures (overwhelmingly). Therefore, the ideals of the West are closer to them. There all abomination is practically legalized.
                  Look at the posters of the years 50-70.

                  And our

                  What will the girl choose?
                  1. +7
                    3 March 2020 12: 13
                    And why can not you have a tractor for work and a good car for trips?
                  2. +4
                    3 March 2020 14: 21
                    In fairness, during the war years in the United States and Great Britain there were also posters urging women and girls to go to work and replace warring men. And the posters of the times of the USSR with advertising of savings banks, Aeroflot, recreation on the Black Sea how to evaluate ?.
            2. 0
              9 March 2020 02: 50
              Golden youth are majors (young immoral goons provided by parents), spoiled and well-maintained by their successful parents and spared the need for independent employment, training, and career growth. Their attitude to ordinary people is a prejudice towards them as cattle, unicellular, because, as a person, majors are morally, morally and spiritually 80-95% composed of pretty shit. This is a matter of education, not politics. They have a very indirect relation to highly paid specialists and managers. Therefore, a specialist is paid dearly because he prepares for a long time and is accordingly expensive - he will not work hard for a dime with his knowledge and skills.
            3. -1
              9 March 2020 02: 54
              There was a stratification even under Stalin - when in besieged Leningrad, some barely made ends meet, and representatives of the authorities at this time rolled up feasts and did not deny themselves anything. And none of them wanted to go out and share the hardships with the common people. Well, further after the Second World War it was already so that some turner received much less than an architect. I'm not even talking about the fact that the members of the CPSU had access to something that was not available to ordinary citizens. There was no equality in the Union. As the saying goes, "all are equal - but some are more equal than others."
          2. +5
            3 March 2020 10: 27
            Quote: seti
            Do you just remember the bad?

            So look objectively .. the monarchy is over worse than socialism .. but let's generally return to the Stone Age .. I will give a simple example. You will agree I hope that under socialism there are much more opportunities for a person. Free education and medicine provides tremendous opportunities for the nation. Remember how many Soviet scientists came from the people and made great discoveries .. Under capitalism and the monarchy, these opportunities are greatly reduced and are available only to a narrow group of people, which greatly reduces the likelihood of genius among them .. this is just one small example where you can clearly see the possibilities .. I'm not talking about demographics, with which, as you see, we have a complete failure .. but how the state can live without the state-forming Russian people .. it will die out and will die out as long as we have monarchy or capitalism ..
            1. +3
              3 March 2020 10: 39
              Colleague, I want to correct you. Monarchy, this is one of the ways of government. And socialism is a socio-economic formation according to Marxist theory. As you know, these are slightly different things.
              1. +2
                3 March 2020 10: 41
                Quote: romey
                Colleague, I want to correct you. Monarchy, this is one of the ways of government. And socialism is a socio-economic formation according to Marxist theory. As you know, these are slightly different things.

                Thank you, but the point is clear ..
            2. -4
              3 March 2020 10: 48
              You take different eras. Under Nicholas 2 there were few scientists? Little country developed? Most scientists of the Soviet school were born just in the reign of Nicholas. It’s just that some of them didn’t, because of the revolution, were replaced by others. You can recall the repression against these very scientists, which was not with the same king. Everything is objective.
              1. +15
                3 March 2020 13: 30
                Quote: seti
                Under Nicholas 2 there were few scientists?

                Few. After the October Revolution, they became many times more.
                Quote: seti
                Most scientists of the Soviet school were born just in the reign of Nicholas

                And what about the fact that they were born with a bloody nicholas? They could become scientists under the Soviet regime.
                Quote: seti
                Everything is objective

                You are not seeing any objectivity.
                1. -3
                  3 March 2020 15: 05
                  Nikolashka Slyunyav. Compared to the Bolsheviks, they were truly bloody. The same Tupolev graduated from the Imperial Higher Technical School, now MVTU. Engineers and scientists of the pre-war years graduated from universities, the teachers in which were, as a rule, "fragments of the old regime"
          3. 0
            3 March 2020 10: 50
            Quote: seti
            And my relatives under the king thrived.

            The defect of the Cheka! Or did the genes come out? Although Gidar did not have a lordly gene, his grandson was a bad boy. recourse
        2. +8
          3 March 2020 10: 20
          And not without reason many officials order themselves a coat of arms, but they buy all sorts of titles.
      3. +3
        3 March 2020 10: 10
        Quote: seti
        Quote: The same Lech
        For Faith ... Tsar ... Fatherland ...

        Is that bad ?

        Did it help a lot in 1914? Yes, even in the losers recorded.
        1. -4
          3 March 2020 10: 59
          The slogan "For Our Soviet Motherland" in 1991 did not work either.
      4. +5
        3 March 2020 10: 13
        Faith is a personal affair of every citizen. The king - is not needed in FIG, although they are trying to assign him to us strenuously. Fatherland - and here, as never before, I would like to specify the term - what exactly is meant by this.
    3. +9
      3 March 2020 09: 57
      That's it. It remains only to hear: "King, very nice, king."
    4. +8
      3 March 2020 09: 58
      I ask you to appoint me king! I was in Ipatiev Monastery, I know Susanin swamps, so I won’t let you down! wink But seriously, Vera is not in the constitution, and not even in the temple. Faith in the soul.
      1. +4
        3 March 2020 16: 58
        Uh, colleague, sabakina, you are late. Do you know how it will be?
        They say that after the vote, the amendments will be finalized, but will come into force immediately after the vote. The next day. Paradox? And then those who are still watching TV will turn it on in the morning of the 23rd, and according to the First announcement:
        --- In connection with the intronization of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, the broadcasting grid has been changed. The live broadcast of the ceremony from the Grand Kremlin Palace will begin at 12:21 Moscow time. The ceremony was attended by persons of royal blood of ruling houses from all over Europe. The Queen of England will arrive at the time .... On the occasion of the ceremony in the evening at 00:XNUMX fireworks and festivities will take place on Red Square. Tsar Vladimir will go out to his subjects in front of the salute and from the Mausoleum will address them with a speech that we will broadcast, etc.
        Can amend the amendments? They can. I will not be surprised wassat
    5. +9
      3 March 2020 09: 59
      They say correctly - history repeats itself, only in the form of farce ..
      1. -15
        3 March 2020 10: 08
        why is everyone sad? On the Echo of Moscow, too (
        I will amuse you on April 22
        I will get my voice and put it on your fight

        T is patience. Oh - the opposition

        How many minuses, this is the intensity of the struggle of revolutionaries wassat
        1. +3
          3 March 2020 11: 34
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          How many minuses, this is the intensity of the struggle of revolutionaries

          No, no, no revolutions, we were completely exhausted, in the usual deevolutionary way, we calmly march in columns to feudalism and everything immediately became Karasho.
          1. -5
            3 March 2020 11: 54
            laughing
            Well, do not be sad that you. The people will make their choice, and you will get used to the situation, get used to the new reality.

            Not the first time. After all, 20 years.

            1. 0
              3 March 2020 19: 05
              Quote: s-t Petrov
              The people will make their choice

              "Every nation has the government it deserves" - Count Joseph de Maistre laughing
          2. -4
            3 March 2020 12: 12
            Petrov is just delusional. In our country, the amendments will first be approved and approved by the State Duma, and voting is a real fiction, unless 70% decisively say "NO" to this madhouse.
            So Petrov may already be happy. The State Duma will approve everything and God, and the immunity of the president, and so on. And he will confirm the king. And it will be good for Petrov, he is aiming at the landlords. He simply does not know that he will not be allowed there, but as the saying goes, "someone gets rich with a thought" ...
            1. -4
              3 March 2020 12: 16
              Petrov is just raving.


              you have already chosen sterninin in your elven maneuver. the revolution was made and found on the map by communist countries. They merged Syria and dispossessed Sechin and discussed the "cartoons" from Putin

              It's not for you to write something about "raving", I think
              1. -3
                3 March 2020 12: 18
                Will you rewrite your answers again?
                To begin with, just tons of slops were poured onto Grudinin, he was betrayed by a pocket communist Zyuganov, the results were massively falsified so that he would not even dare to think about the following. What is happening with his collective farm now - google it yourself, like you are not a child.
                Well, it’s excusable to you, fools are such fools.
                1. -1
                  3 March 2020 12: 21
                  Will you rewrite your answers again?


                  Estimate, the developers made such a moment - as editing a post. It can be corrected for several minutes, working on the wording. Need to remove this feature? In your world, remove the elven - and then you have to endure and get used to this moment.

                  I won’t even comment on laughing everything as I wrote above
                  1. -4
                    3 March 2020 12: 29
                    I won’t even comment on

                    The training manual does not involve debate? And your thoughts are not?
                    1. -1
                      3 March 2020 12: 32
                      The training manual does not involve debate? And your thoughts are not?

                      you will not like them. Because you can’t even imagine what the MKAD’s land is, bourgeois Grudinin, a presidential candidate in the Communist Party, and how the Communist Party traded its constituents back in 1996

                      1. -4
                        3 March 2020 12: 37
                        Because you can’t even imagine what land is at the Moscow Ring Road

                        Really? Petrov, your mistake is that you are trying to consider everyone unreasonable children, not knowing anything about the interlocutor.
                        I will disappoint you. I know perfectly well what is the land inside Sadovoy, beyond Sadovoy within the MKAD, what is the land near the MKAD and what is land 60 km from the MKAD.
                        Come on, I even know what land is on Rublevka, in Barvikha and in New Riga.
                      2. -6
                        3 March 2020 12: 38
                        Well, how did ZAO raise billions on strawberries, tell me?
                        Or was it not strawberries?

                        And what about the accounts in Switzerland with a presidential candidate? Zolotishka was not, right? Or he forgot to tell his voters about it, picked it up on a strawberry and somehow forgot

                        I burn with a flock of sternum is abruptly faith in God Kuzyu.

                        I’m even drowning for a civil servant, intelligence officer, former head of the FSB, and you are drowning for a bourgeois and telling me tales about his successful CJSC, a communist wassat

                      3. -4
                        3 March 2020 12: 44
                        If you are talking about the nonsense that the Kremlin media flogged on the eve of the election - they say they were selling at a lower price and everything like that, then I’ll just recommend you listen to Grudinin himself.
                      4. +4
                        3 March 2020 12: 45
                        laughing I will probably work
                      5. -8
                        3 March 2020 12: 46
                        I will probably work

                        Do it. Or is it what you have called dinner?
                      6. -1
                        3 March 2020 13: 37
                        I’m even drowning for a civil servant, intelligence officer, former head of the FSB

                        Not for this, you Petrov, drown.
                        You drown for the Ozero cooperative, for friends-oligarchs, you drown for the fact that over 20 years of rule, as mayors, deputies, officials, senior officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were associated with the word "thief", and continue to be associated.
                        You are drowning for undeclared palaces and estates, for Shuvalov’s dog, which he carries on exhibitions by private plane, you are drowning for the dual citizenship of civil servants and their property abroad. That's what you drown for. For Zakharchenko and Chekalin, and that there would be as many as possible. You are drowning for planting drugs and guiding completely trumped-up cases for the long term of the innocent.
                        You stoke for theft and corruption in all levels of government, for the commodity economy, for the legitimization of poverty, for miserable pensions.
                        And the question arises - are you not a liberal?
                      7. -6
                        3 March 2020 13: 42
                        not you from your swamp to tell me for whom I drown)
                        Let me ask you a question. Was he in the army? What year?

                      8. -4
                        3 March 2020 13: 44
                        Well, where can we, in bast shoes but in the city train.
                        At the expense of the army - I am a lieutenant of the reserve, sworn allegiance to the Russian Federation. So as they say, not for you to teach me.
                      9. -3
                        3 March 2020 13: 45
                        how do you relate your oath to what you write here?
                        Were you a liar when you said "I swear"?

                        Well, where can we, in bast shoes but in the city train.

                        I'm not talking about the place where you live, I'm talking about the swamp that surrounds you in your head
                      10. -1
                        3 March 2020 13: 47
                        You don’t translate arrows.
                        Just an oath to protect the Russian Federation and corresponds to what I write.
                        All that I wrote above - you have nothing to object to on any point. I can still add a lot of things, but I don’t see the point.
                        Oh, maybe you are a member of EdRa?
                        PySy. By the way, I live in the nearest suburbs.
                      11. -6
                        3 March 2020 13: 48
                        Oh, maybe you are a member of EdRa?

                        hire a Kremlin, secret police. A banter of liars who swore to defend the constitutional system of the Russian Federation in the army

                      12. -1
                        3 March 2020 13: 54
                        hire a Kremlin, secret police.

                        It used to be embarrassing to say, but now you are proud of it.
                        Where is the country heading?
                        And tell me, at the same time, what your inflamed brain saw in my violation of the oath to protect the Russian Federation. Tell me in detail, on points.
                      13. -6
                        3 March 2020 13: 55
                        in Russia when it was a shame to work for the Kremlin? laughing
                        Well, you give, a big Cossack - not otherwise. What is going on in your head? laughing

                        Where is the country heading?


                        laughing April 22, I'm waiting for you on the forum. I’ll tell you about the further motion vector and predict your comments further
                      14. -5
                        3 March 2020 13: 57
                        in Russia when it was a shame to work for the Kremlin? laughing
                        Well, you give, a good Cossack - not otherwise

                        Petrov, do not make me laugh.
                        Googled the meaning of the words "hire" and "secret police". Do something yourself.
                      15. -4
                        3 March 2020 13: 59
                        I have it written in labor, and in the corner "EDRO" and the seal of the Kremlin
                        after all, you’re looking something like this and see everything

                        Well, what to do? own world, own reality soldier
                      16. +2
                        7 March 2020 09: 25
                        You would be attracted for treason.
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        At the expense of the army - I am a lieutenant of the reserve, sworn allegiance to the Russian Federation. So as they say, not for you to teach me.

                        In my opinion, you are simply bewildering - you swore not the Russian Federation, but the USSR!
            2. +1
              7 March 2020 09: 19
              Well, of course, of course: since your generous Lord did not win, to whom you give power and he will equip the Galaxy, which means the elections were wrong.
        2. +1
          3 March 2020 19: 01
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          I will amuse you on April 22


          Will you also count? laughing
    6. 0
      3 March 2020 10: 10
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      For Faith ... Tsar ... Fatherland ... this was until 1917 ... returned to what they left a hundred years ago ... well, and somersaults of history.

      Socialism ended, returned to the Russian Empire. Another round of history slipped through.
      1. -2
        7 March 2020 09: 27
        They returned not to the empire, but to social democracy.
    7. +6
      3 March 2020 10: 15
      You are mistaken ... The Russian Empire was, good or bad, debatable, but nonetheless a national state of the Russian people with a thousand-year history and a completely different content.
    8. -2
      3 March 2020 18: 58
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      returned to what they left a hundred years ago ... well, and somersaults of history.

      "History repeats itself twice: the first time in the form of a tragedy, the second - in the form of a farce" - Hegel hi
  9. +3
    3 March 2020 09: 46
    Announce the entire list! You are welcome!
    1. -1
      3 March 2020 10: 31
      You need to file the game! wassat Fedya, game!
    2. +1
      3 March 2020 11: 28
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Announce the entire list! You are welcome!
  10. +14
    3 March 2020 09: 48
    In general, if there are many amendments, then for each one must make a choice "for" or "against". It would be right for everyone to get acquainted with the wording in advance, and not in the voting booth. In my opinion, in the Constitution, for the good of the cause, it would be necessary to consolidate not only the union of a woman with a man, but also common family property, which would cement such a union. And today we have shared ownership at the family level. For the same apartments. hi
    1. +18
      3 March 2020 10: 01
      Not in order to amend the constitution so that people would choose which item is needed and which is not, but in order to accept ALL the amendments. Need a new constitution. We must vote against the amendments.
    2. +3
      3 March 2020 10: 12
      Quote: bessmertniy
      In my opinion, in the Constitution, for the good of the cause, it would be necessary to consolidate not only the union of a woman with a man

      Well, the union of a man and a woman is fixed by God, and not by the Constitution.
      1. +1
        3 March 2020 10: 23
        What kind of god - who drove Adam and Eve out of paradise !? belay
      2. +8
        3 March 2020 10: 25
        Well, the union of man and woman is fixed by God,


        Secured by evolution, not by God or the Constitution.
        1. +1
          3 March 2020 10: 31
          What is life? ... How did evolution from the dead create the living? ... well, explain the brake to me. hi
          1. 0
            3 March 2020 10: 34
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            How did evolution from the dead create the living? ... well, explain the brake to me.

            I, too, do not understand this, as well as Darwin's theory about the monkey and Man.
            1. +2
              3 March 2020 10: 55
              Quote: tihonmarine
              I, too, do not understand this, as well as Darwin's theory about the monkey and Man.

              Apparently, not everyone has evolved before Man ...
              1. -3
                3 March 2020 11: 01
                Quote: serpent
                Apparently, not everyone has evolved before Man ...

                We’ll wait for 10 million years and evolve.
          2. +3
            3 March 2020 10: 52
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            How did evolution from the dead create the living?

            No way. Evolution is, we drag, not about "creating the living from the dead." There was no need to skip school in due time.
            1. +3
              3 March 2020 10: 58
              Evolution, we drag, is not about "creating the living from the dead." There was no need to skip school in due time.

              Darwin's theory does not explain the most important thing how life was born ... scientists say something about the synthesis of amino acids as a result of which life appeared ... but it is impossible to believe ... by the standards of the universe the probability of its occurrence is negligible.
              All the factors for the origin of life came together too well on Mother Earth ... I do not consider this an accident.
              1. -1
                3 March 2020 11: 14
                Quote: The same LYOKHA
                Darwin's theory does not explain the most important thing how life was born ...

                So she was not created for this explanation. She is responsible for the diversity of species, in short. Regarding the origin of life - this is to biogenetics.
                Quote: The same LYOKHA
                by the standards of the universe, the probability of its occurrence is negligible.

                Wow! Has the whole universe been plowed up to say such a thing?
                The presence on Earth of life forms that can retain the ability to reproduce after being in extreme conditions (withstand high temperature, pressure, adverse environment) suggests that life can be born and survive under conditions far from earthly.

                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Внеземная_жизнь
                Read the article. Discover a lot of new things.
                Quote: The same LYOKHA
                All factors agreed too well on Mother Earth for the origin of life ... I do not consider this an accident.

                Anthropic principle. I also recommend reading it.
                1. +2
                  3 March 2020 11: 19
                  I read various respected sources ... but not a single one gave a clear and direct answer on how life was born in general ... and that we, by the standards of unlimited Cosmos, consider life ... our biological or other ... because life is possible on the basis of silicon or other elements of the periodic table ... we know too little about the structure of the Universe to categorically assert that life is a set of chemical elements. hi
                  1. -1
                    3 March 2020 11: 31
                    Quote: The same LYOKHA
                    I read the respected different sources ... but not a single one gave a clear and direct answer on how life was born in general ...

                    At least science has at least some meaningful theories, in contrast to "took clay and breathed life into it."
                    Quote: The same LYOKHA
                    to peremptorily affirm

                    And none of the scientists say anything categorically. Behind peremptory - to religions. Everything is clear there: so-and-so. And all the questions in essence are from the evil one.
                    Just yesterday I watched a video on YouTube. As for the materials from which man was created. Hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, etc. And in the universe there is just a lot of this good. So even silicon is not necessary.
                    1. -1
                      3 March 2020 19: 04
                      I already answered one above, I will answer again about how life came about, this is what I found on the network:
                      Life on our planet originated 4 billion years ago. It turned out that amino acids were randomly formed from a mixture of chemicals that filled the reservoirs of the young Earth, of which protein compounds, and then more complex nucleic acids. It was then that the first common ancestor of all living things was born. It was a single cell, the genetic code of which included several hundred genes. This cell had everything necessary for life and further development: the mechanisms responsible for the synthesis of proteins, the reproduction of hereditary information and the production of ribonucleic acid (RNA), which is also responsible for encoding genetic data.

                      The possibility of the formation of amino acids from a mixture of chemical elements was proved as a result of the Miller-Yuri experiment, which Gazeta.Ru talked about several years ago. In the course of the experiment, Stanley Miller simulated the atmospheric conditions of the Earth in test tubes about 4 billion years ago, filling them with a mixture of gases - methane, ammonia, carbon and carbon monoxide - adding water there and passing an electric current through the tubes, which was supposed to produce the effect of lightning discharges. As a result of the interaction of chemicals, Miller received five amino acids in test tubes - the main building blocks of all proteins.
              2. +5
                3 March 2020 12: 06
                Darwin's theory does not explain the most important thing how life was born ..


                Actually, biophysics explains this. Clear and crisp.
                1 Law of large numbers
                2 Jump in the probability of a recurrence of an event at the time of its first occurrence
                3 trigger effect

                From all this, complication of structures and Darwin's heredity, variability and natural selection follow
                ... by the standards of the universe, the probability of its occurrence is negligible


                Nonsense, a favorite argument of new priests and religions
                The process of arising from inanimate to living looks simple.
                In the pan there is a set of molecules A, B, S. D. Suppose that the probability of their first spontaneous adhesion in the AWSD is small. But there is a law of large numbers - you can’t throw dice all evening and not throw 6-6. Then the second part is the jump in the probability of a repeat. If the ABCD combination has the property of attracting DSVA from the broth and then breaking along the center line, forming two copies, then you will roll 6-6 cubes not once in 36 throws, but almost every time.

                Now the third part of the ballet is "trigger effect" - large AVSDs float in the soup, sometimes break into fragments A, B, C, D. If a combination of AACC with absolutely similar properties is possible, there will be no equality anyway - resource A and C are needed for both. The system will slide to the absolute advantage of one of the combinations.
                And then it went - the soup will become more complicated, only the bricks are enlarged.
                This is "living". Otherwise, contraceptives would not be sold in pharmacies. laughing
              3. -4
                3 March 2020 12: 30
                Quote: The same LYOKHA
                Darwin's theory does not explain the most important thing how life was born ..

                But how many people around the world, and even on our website believe in this nonsense of Darwin, have brainwashed well.
          3. 0
            3 March 2020 11: 25
            Read The Blind Watchmaker by Dawkins. Very well painted as from lifeless to living. And from clay, which is interesting
            1. +1
              3 March 2020 11: 29
              Thank you ... downloaded already ... analyze and try to defeat its author by the power of my thoughts smile hi .
              1. 0
                3 March 2020 11: 31
                Scientific discussion is always useful) After this book, I realized how evolution went. And what a famous expression about Boeing that cannot be accidentally collected from a landfill - does not work
              2. +1
                3 March 2020 11: 49
                You can also recommend "God as an illusion" and "Selfish gene" by the same author.
                1. 0
                  5 March 2020 08: 50
                  Yes, I haven’t reached them yet
      3. +8
        3 March 2020 11: 27
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Well, the union of a man and a woman is fixed by God, and not by the Constitution.

        It follows that all marriages concluded in the USSR and the Russian Federation are civil, as they are called "Civil status act" hi
    3. +1
      3 March 2020 14: 34
      But in the Russian Empire there was no concept of common family property. Husband and wife each had their own property. And, by the way, the majority of not only conservative, but also liberal lawyers believed that it was good and, on the contrary, served to protect the interests of women. The husband supported the family and gave part of the money to his wife. This money, as well as gifts, etc. became the property of his wife. But the houses and apartments belonged to only one member of the family, more often the husband, but often the wife. Wealthy nobles had some real estate objects, land holdings could belong to the husband, others to the wife.
      I myself am not against common ownership, but solely on single housing. But I think if one of the spouses (it doesn’t matter, husband or wife) is engaged in business, then this business should only be their property, and he should manage it himself, including investing in risky projects. And in case of a divorce, only property that serves the purposes of personal consumption should be divided equally, but not business, shares, etc.
  11. +6
    3 March 2020 09: 53
    After the adoption of amendments to the Constitution, the Hague Tribunal, legally, can be called a criminal organization, and all feminist unions, legally - declared a bunch of perverts.
  12. +10
    3 March 2020 09: 56
    Why make a sedimentation tank out of the Constitution?
    1. +1
      3 March 2020 10: 12
      Quote: MrFox
      Why make a sedimentation tank out of the Constitution?

      So this is, as it were, not our constitution. Or have you already forgotten how she appeared?
      1. +4
        3 March 2020 10: 54
        At the very least, it took place, everyone understood that the Basic Law is one thing and in life another, but at least there was a certain conditional ideal.

        But what they are doing now in a terrible rush - 900 amendments. Why?
        1. -1
          3 March 2020 11: 31
          Burnt shed - burn and hut.
  13. +2
    3 March 2020 09: 57
    family, people, God mentioned, but there is no increase in pensions
    1. +2
      3 March 2020 10: 33
      And the salary, as it was unworthy, remains so. request
      1. +2
        3 March 2020 14: 04
        And where are 25 million high-tech jobs? Or is it already indecent to mention this?
  14. +5
    3 March 2020 09: 58
    I knew that ... For all these approved points, you can drag anything into the Constitution by voting for the paragraph - about honoring the memory of the defenders of the Fatherland and the inadmissibility of revising their feat, the definition of a family as a union of a man and a woman dragged a bunch of all sorts of laws that nullify everything previous ones.
  15. +10
    3 March 2020 09: 58
    But the priests shoved their amendments .. And how does this fit with the declared secular state? And the presence of Buddhists, shamanists, and just atheists who do not share confidence in the existence of God? Some kind of Middle Ages ..
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    2. -9
      3 March 2020 10: 23
      Quote: paul3390
      The priests shoved their amendments.

      We have worshiped God for 1000 years, it’s correct that they made such an amendment and also indicate the religions of the peoples of Russia. But they forgot to carry out an amendment to ban various sects.
      1. +2
        3 March 2020 10: 32
        And 10 years ago people ate at all. So what? But what about atheists? Where is their right not to believe?
        1. -3
          3 March 2020 10: 38
          Quote: paul3390
          But what about atheists? Where is their right not to believe?

          Atheists, precisely, are true believers, and not just believers, but quite sincere. To believe that at your death you will become nothing, is it not faith?
          1. +3
            3 March 2020 11: 03
            Quote: bober1982
            To believe that at your death you will become nothing, is it not faith?

            What does "nothing" mean? The atoms that make up the body will remain. Some will even fall into a person again. As the saying goes: the water that you drink has already been drunk by someone))
            1. -1
              3 March 2020 11: 08
              Quote: serpent
              The atoms that make up the body will remain. Some even get into a person again

              You know better, but I do not think that with the adoption of amendments to the Constitution, you will be banned from believing in this, you have the right.
          2. -2
            7 March 2020 11: 00
            Quote: bober1982
            Atheists, precisely, are true believers, and not just believers, but quite sincere.

            I remember one such, his name was Adolf Schicklsgruber, not a believer, but quite sincere.
        2. -2
          3 March 2020 10: 49
          An atheist is a person who believes that there is no God. Since he cannot present evidence of his innocence.
          1. +6
            3 March 2020 13: 19
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Since he cannot present evidence of his innocence.
            But can our clergy present their evidence? They generally used to assert that the Earth was flat, after that the Sun and all the stars revolved around it (the center of the universe according to Ptolemy).
            1. -4
              3 March 2020 13: 54
              Faith does not need proof. And religion has nothing to do with science and even does not intersect with it anywhere. Like music and football. The dispute between proponents of geocentric theory and heliocentric is a scientific debate and has no relation to religion either.
              1. +2
                3 March 2020 17: 51
                And religion has nothing to do with science and even does not intersect with it anywhere.

                Even as it has and intersects. With medicine. This is a way of psychological defense. Protection against irreversible brain damage. With the same mechanism as vodka for example. Both change the perception of reality when it is impossible to quickly (or even) change reality.
                Something better, something worse. Vodka is not always at hand, it is expensive and has side effects. Religion is good for everyone except one thing - it’s hard to turn off, you won’t sober up.
                That is why there are practically no atheists - faith is needed at the physiological level, like squinting with a bright flash.
      2. -1
        7 March 2020 09: 32
        We also forgot about the financial pyramids!
    3. +2
      3 March 2020 10: 34
      And the shamans will be offended. feel
  16. +4
    3 March 2020 10: 01
    amendment to introduce into the Constitution of the Russian Federation a provision on the state-forming role of the Russian people.
    How beautiful, fair, and so it has been for centuries.
    at the constitutional level, it will be emphasized that Russia is primarily a state of the Russian people.
    Is it the same thing? I believe that the author substitutes GDP.
    preserving the memory of the ancestors who transmitted to us ideals and faith in God,
    Here, the GDP corrupted the soul, for the ancestors passed on to us ideals and faith in moral values ​​(soul, conscience, justice). God is in 10th place.
    1. -4
      3 March 2020 10: 38
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Here, the GDP corrupted the soul, for the ancestors passed on to us ideals and faith in moral values ​​(soul, conscience, justice). God is in 10th place.

      But the fatherland should always be in the first place, and forgetting God we will forget the fatherland.
      1. +3
        3 March 2020 10: 42
        I agree with Fatherland. God is difficult, for the bureaucratic church will sit on its tail. From the beginning, restructuring of the church on an ascetic principle is needed.
        1. -2
          3 March 2020 10: 57
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          From the beginning, restructuring of the church on an ascetic principle is needed.

          I agree, leave the priests, send officials to the national economy.
  17. +3
    3 March 2020 10: 05
    God ???, family, Russian people .. rather a church. God does not smell there
    1. +3
      3 March 2020 10: 11
      The first angel sounded, and hail and fire were mixed with blood, and fell to the ground; and the third part of the trees burned down, and all the green grass burned down.
      The second angel sounded a trumpet, and, as it were, a large mountain, blazing with fire, was cast down into the sea; and a third of the sea became blood, and a third of the animated creatures living in the sea died, and a third of the ships perished.
      - Vladimir Vladimirovich, you have mixed up, here is the text of the new Constitution.
      1. +2
        3 March 2020 10: 18
        And we are all in paradise ..
    2. 0
      3 March 2020 10: 59
      Quote: SARANCHA1976
      God ???, family, Russian people .. rather a church.

      God must be in the soul; one cannot live without God.
      1. +1
        3 March 2020 14: 46
        our holy corporation needs to explain this
  18. +5
    3 March 2020 10: 05
    It’s interesting ... Russia is the legal successor of the USSR and the attitude towards God that is enshrined in the Constitution ... The president’s jurisdiction is generally nonsense ... I also understand the jurisdiction of the international court, (Milosevic Hague), but in our country the rule of law must be fulfilled.
    1. 0
      3 March 2020 10: 48
      Quote: LAWNER
      Russia is the legal successor of the USSR and suddenly the attitude to God enshrined in the Constitution.

      In the USSR, the attitude to God was not enshrined in the Constitution, and is it necessary to enshrine that each person chooses faith himself? But Comrade Stalin recreated the patriarchy in the USSR without the Constitution, and the patriarchy still exists, although the power has changed.
      1. +1
        3 March 2020 14: 37
        Nobody abolished the Patriarchate, just Stalin allowed to hold the election of the Patriarch in 1943. And before that was the locum tenens of the patriarchal throne.
  19. +6
    3 March 2020 10: 08
    And they decided to spoil the Constitution ...
  20. 0
    3 March 2020 10: 11
    Under the new constitution, all terms of Putin’s presidency are nullified. And he can get out again. Everything else, about the people and guarantees - is a temptation.
    1. +1
      3 March 2020 11: 38
      Quote: vladnp
      Under the new constitution, all terms of Putin’s presidency are nullified.

      What's behind these conclusions?! Where is it written, or are you just a provocateur? Not a word is said about the deadlines, but the increase in authority in the form of creating the State Council is alarming!
      1. 0
        3 March 2020 13: 06
        Well, of course, a provocateur, who else ... Or do you think that a thieving amoeba is taking care of the people?
        And when will our people grow wiser, at least a little?
        1. +1
          3 March 2020 13: 23
          It is not a fact that they will be reset, but there are all legal mechanisms for this. Yes, and a new longevity, cleaner than the presidential, he had already envisaged
      2. 0
        3 March 2020 13: 32
        Surkov kind of said
      3. +2
        3 March 2020 14: 38
        Given that the status of the State Council will be spelled out in the ordinary law, this body will not be the primary element of the state mechanism.
      4. -1
        10 March 2020 18: 16
        Well, that happened ... Who is there just a provocateur?
  21. -2
    3 March 2020 10: 11
    I made a decision: my family is not involved in this scam. For my close-minded colleagues, I will explain again: the election experience of 18 years. Yes, there are arguments "for" and "against" participation, but by and large it is wherever you throw a wedge everywhere.
    1. +3
      3 March 2020 10: 14
      So someone will vote for you ... smile .
      1. +1
        3 March 2020 10: 18
        Possibly and very likely. It is also very likely that instead of “against” we will vote “for”.
        1. +2
          3 March 2020 10: 33
          Quote: romey
          Perhaps and very likely... It is also very likely that instead of “against” we will vote “for”.

          ====
          so go and vote what is against. so no, it would be better to sharpen the hairline
          1. +2
            3 March 2020 10: 51
            Well, in 18, I not only sharpened my hair, but also learned a lot about the features of our electoral bureaucracy. But I can’t forbid you anything and respect your decision. Go ahead ...
            1. +5
              3 March 2020 10: 58
              Quote: romey
              Well, in 18, I not only sharpened my hair, but also learned a lot about the features of our electoral bureaucracy. But I can’t forbid you anything and respect your decision. Go ahead ...

              ====
              You have already written about 18 years, and more, and more, all this is the very same "lyasy", but in fact discontent / agitation / provocation. and there were enough problems everywhere / enough / will be enough
              1. 0
                3 March 2020 11: 11
                Thank. This is clear. As if Solovyov had read. You are a true representative of the deep people. A kind of Putin's proletariat. The truth is the uterus in the eye. But to check me for belonging to the State Department there? If not, then it’s even somehow strange ... But if, seriously, then calm down. And Putinists, for 76% are guaranteed. And anti-Putin patriots, for such regimes by voting, all the more so do not change. All decisions have already been made. And not by you.
                1. +3
                  3 March 2020 11: 18
                  Quote: romey
                  Thank. This is clear. As if Solovyov had read. You are a true representative of the deep people. A kind of Putin's proletariat. The truth is the uterus in the eye. But to check me for belonging to the State Department there? If not, then it’s even somehow strange ... But if, seriously, then calm down. And Putinists, for 76% are guaranteed. And anti-Putin patriots, for such regimes by voting, all the more so do not change. All decisions have already been made. And not by you.

                  ===
                  I don’t worry, it’s you who are scribbling texts on the mountain. your Putin proletarian has never voted since 91, because by the will of fate he ended up abroad, a series of passports, travels (so I have mine, and you have mine (nightingales / deep-seated people / proletariat / conspiracy / anti-Putinists and others).
                  1. +2
                    3 March 2020 11: 28
                    Then what is the problem? Yes, dear, I really really do not like Putin, his predecessors and his whole heinous regime. And I will put him the wheels in the wheel by any means available within the framework of the law. Including comments. This is politics, my dear. And yes, yes. But what about freedom of speech? In general, do not like it, write to the admin and complain. Do not know how? Ask Golovan Jack, he will tell.
                    1. +3
                      3 March 2020 11: 41
                      Quote: romey
                      Then what is the problem? Yes, dear, I am really very I do not like Putin, his predecessors and his whole heinous regime. And I will put him sticks in wheels by any available methods within the law. Including comments. This is politics, my dear. And yes, yes. But what about freedom of speech? In general, do not like it, write to the admin and complain. Do not know how? Ask Golovan Jack, he will tell.

                      ====
                      you know better what kind of problem you have. I just wrote: instead of scribbling slogans here, just go and vote against. closer to you are the clauses (sticks), I understand, I’ll be curving.
                    2. -1
                      3 March 2020 19: 28
                      Dima, the best stick in their wheels is not to be lazy, go and vote against, we will express our attitude towards them and complicate their task - to falsify the vote.
                      1. -3
                        3 March 2020 20: 19
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        complicate their task - to falsify the vote.

                        The only thing we can complicate for them is the turnout - they will have to fork out for extras or the National Guard to arrange a masquerade ball. And they falsify the results - like two fingers. If you go to a "referendum", you are just providing this circus with legitimacy. Unfortunately, your trip will not affect the result.
                      2. -2
                        3 March 2020 22: 22
                        You will not say anything (your opinion does not bother them). Take part in a farce. And the bookkeepers come across - they themselves came!
        2. +5
          3 March 2020 11: 22
          Quote: romey
          Possibly and very likely. It is also very likely that instead of “against” we will vote “for”.

          gasmy choices, however! can give out more than 146%, what does artificial intelligence cost him ?!
    2. +6
      3 March 2020 10: 27
      YOU decided not to participate, but I decided to participate and vote Against. T.K. for one sensible amendment, they decided to drag 3 stupid ones. If you were given the choice to vote in points, then there would be a different alignment.
      1. +1
        3 March 2020 10: 31
        For this reason alone, you can send this "poll" to hell ... This is not a referendum or amendments, but some kind of circus clownery with one single purpose.
        1. +6
          3 March 2020 13: 40
          The Constitution has the right and freedom of speech. There is a point about rallies. And as for the pension, they threw everyone. And after all, no one asked for our consent. And this was a direct violation of K. So all these amendments are just crap! The liberals and capitalists ran very hard! Does a normal person really believe all this?
          1. +1
            3 March 2020 20: 41
            You are right, but it’s better to sleep with Trump’s wife than a galkin, right ...
      2. 0
        3 March 2020 14: 50
        They are not stupid, they are needed by a group of "respected" people .. They want to eat them that way.
        1. +2
          3 March 2020 15: 14
          What is the difference between a "referendum" and a "poll"? A "referendum" is obligatory for citizens and it will be valid if more than 50% of the adult population take part in it. If 49% come to the referendum, then it will not be valid and either it must be canceled or a new one appointed. And the "poll" is valid in any case, just N number of people should be polled — at least 10 people in general, that is, 10% of the population will come to the polling stations and their vote will be decisive.
    3. +7
      3 March 2020 11: 32
      Quote: romey
      I made a decision: my family is not involved in this scam. For my close-minded colleagues, I will explain again: the election experience of 18 years. Yes, there are arguments "for" and "against" participation, but by and large it is wherever you throw a wedge everywhere.

      It is precisely because of this position that the whole mess in the country is happening! Is it hard to go to the polling station? In vain do you think that everything is predetermined in advance and the last experience is independent - a vivid example of this. Even there they were able to choose an alternative to Potroshenko, whose resources were simply unlimited! And he blew Zele very shamefully and irrevocably - 24% against 76%! We don’t go to the Duma elections, then we complain - again edroses are at the feeding trough! We don’t go to the elections of governors and mayors (by the way, I would forbid using foreign job titles in our state - who is the MED for a low-profit self-centered worker, or a multi-suffering eclectic slave owner?), Then we are indignant - who did Moscow send us to ?! There are a lot of examples, but we don’t draw conclusions, we are lazy and justify everything with our indestructible principles!
      1. -5
        3 March 2020 11: 46
        Gunpowder was a man of Obama and the Democrats, who had the audacity to speak badly about Trump. For which he paid. If he had been more restrained in language, then he would probably have stayed for a second term. So that with this experience is not a fact ...
        1. +3
          3 March 2020 12: 24
          Quote: romey
          Gunpowder was a man of Obama and the Democrats, who had the audacity to speak badly about Trump.

          Oh, well, I'm sorry for the inaccuracy, because the stripes voted in the Square, but I naively thought that the Ukrainians! It doesn’t matter what and how Potroshenko thought and did, this only relates to the perception of his personality by foreign bosses! Neither Obama nor the Democrats can influence the voting results in Ukraine from the word at all! If you think differently, this is your right, but I know the real state of affairs and the attitude of the Ukrainian population towards them. Also in relation to Zelia - he is also a man of minke whales, but plus this is also an absolutely illiterate person in politics and economics, I’m not talking about diplomacy, but he was CHOSEN and that’s exactly so. I will not lengthen the post by describing what the people hoped for when they voted. And I also know that none of the previous preziks had the same administrative resource as the giblets, I hope you don’t need to tell about the financial state of the offal?
          1. -4
            3 March 2020 17: 02
            You are either a convinced idealist or just a naive person if you still do not understand how this political system works. What we have, what in Ukraine. The voter mainly votes not for his nominee, but for those who are offered, carefully cutting off potentially independent figures. Yes, if Gunpowder didn’t have the support of the Republicans, they would have slipped him as a competitor not from the untwisted populist Zelebobu, but from the obviously low-passer Yuliashu or the Georgian guest performer, long since Bush’s times, wards of the Republicans. The same thing is with us when people are removed from the elections on ridiculous pretexts.
            1. +2
              3 March 2020 22: 53
              Quote: romey
              What we have, what in Ukraine. The voter mainly votes not for his nominee, but for those who are offered, carefully cutting off potentially independent figures.

              Colleague, do not guess on the coffee grounds! I am a realist and a pragmatist, so everything is past. He worked as an assistant to the people's deputy, therefore I am familiar with the system not like you, firsthand, but in real life. Do not listen to what propaganda from all irons blows into your ears and please do not compare the Russian system of state capitalism with the small-town oligarchic-clan system! And even more so, do not be mistaken about the influence of minke whales on the last election - if there were someone else but Zelia, the majority of the population simply would not come to them, in that hypothetical case, they would choose the one whom the mattress-like curators indicated. If you think that Trump supported his candidacy, then this is completely out of the category of fiction because Kolomoisky has long been at odds with the stripes, namely he is the curator of Zeli, but he did not expect such a brilliant result. To such an extent that he does not know what to do with all this now!
    4. +3
      3 March 2020 14: 39
      And if one of the family members thinks differently? You have no right to order your adult relatives.
      1. 0
        3 March 2020 17: 09
        Well, really with my family, believe me, I will figure it out myself. We have full understanding on all issues. And if so he infringes on the infringement of the rights of my peers, you can file a lawsuit in the most humane and honest court in the world. Judge Khakhaleva will not let you lie ...
  22. -3
    3 March 2020 10: 20
    Well, with God!
    1. +2
      3 March 2020 10: 36
      Well to hell! am
  23. +5
    3 March 2020 10: 24
    I am for making amendments, but not with this guide. We will not vote for specific amendments, but for permission to make them and there you can already make anything the people gave permission. I will vote against.
  24. +2
    3 March 2020 10: 25
    Let's be honest with ourselves. In fact, nothing will change. Priorities will be set, but for an ordinary citizen, nothing really will change. Well, perhaps they will fix the accrual of pensions, which should be indexed anyway. But nothing is said about the freezing of the funded part of the pension. They will forbid officials to have accounts and second citizenship, and so they work here, and all relatives and families live abroad, no one will forbid them to have accounts abroad.
    That's why ...
    the attitude towards a possible amendment of the Constitution of the Russian Federation is rather passive-calm: there are neither pronounced enthusiasm nor manifestations of discontent.
  25. +9
    3 March 2020 10: 34
    Only the absence in the Constitution of God, the State Council and the feat of the Russian people prevented Putin from building a prosperous (for most residents, and not for his accomplices and slander) state. Now we’ll surely heal. When will this fucking circus end?
    1. -3
      3 March 2020 11: 37
      Quote: Whalebone
      When will this fucking circus end?
      Citizens in a month with a little vote to ensure that this fucking circus does not end. And from a pure heart - thinking that they vote for hot meals in schools.
      1. -1
        3 March 2020 16: 56
        I have two children in schools studying. There is hot food there. Without amending the Constitution. Of course, I will not participate in the booth. This is not a constitutional procedure at all. Voters are accomplices of the constitutional coup.
        1. 0
          3 March 2020 19: 36
          Lukich, if we all do not come to the vote, then we will make it easier for them, they will "vote" for us, so you have to go and vote against to show them how we treat them.
          1. -2
            3 March 2020 22: 26
            They have already voted. It remains to show the protocols. The more people come, the more triumphant the relay will be. And TV picture in Litter programs.
  26. +3
    3 March 2020 10: 36
    They remembered the Russians, edrena louse! To know that things are completely seams at the cooperative ...
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    1. +3
      3 March 2020 10: 59
      Yes, everything is clear, not done with a finger, all this is in order to legally approve "Elbasy 2", as in Kazakhstan.
    2. +6
      3 March 2020 11: 15
      We have already said that the amendments will be adopted all together (in bulk), and not one by one. And the sheet will say "Do you agree with the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation?" - Well no. All. Even the description of the changes themselves will not be indicated in it.
      1. +1
        3 March 2020 16: 57
        "Are you against the amendment of the Constitution?"
        1. Yes - do not mind
        2. No - do not mind.
    3. +5
      3 March 2020 11: 19
      Quote from rudolf
      It's easy to hide the devil behind populist ideas.

      How so? will the devil hide the devil? But then, how is God?
  28. +4
    3 March 2020 10: 49
    I apologize, but what about the amendment on the subordination of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation to the state and its removal from the control of the international financial mafia?
    1. +4
      3 March 2020 11: 06
      Quote: Vadim67
      I apologize, but what about the amendment on the subordination of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation to the state and its removal from the control of the international financial mafia?

      A very timely question, colleague, during the discussion of which over the past 20 years countless copies have been broken!
  29. +4
    3 March 2020 10: 57
    Now, if for each amendment separately .... otherwise they would vote in droves for any dubious rule such as immunity. And so .... Gorbachev can breathe a sigh of relief. And there you look and the inviolable will appear. And even if God is included in the Constitution, she will not become a saint from this. It would be better ideology defined.
  30. +4
    3 March 2020 10: 59
    Quote: Paul Siebert
    Yeltsin has long spread.

    Yes, Yeltsin has long since died.
    I remember when I was standing at his tombstone, a little boy asked his mother in a whisper: "Mom, why is there such an awesome big stone on Yeltsin's grave? So that you don't get out?"

    Consider that "got out" - he makes amendments to the Constitution! sad
  31. +2
    3 March 2020 11: 00
    2 points confuse me.
    1. The family is the union of a man and a woman. Everything seems to be correct, but there is a catch: what to do if, through surgery, a woman has become a man and vice versa? Can they also be considered a family and register their marriage? Is legislative distortion thus established?
    2. God in the Constitution. Why, if Russia is a secular country? Or did you decide to legislate the existence of God in this way?
    1. -1
      3 March 2020 16: 59
      So we decided to please ZAO "ROC". So that circulars on business are sent out to you - you have so much. And a link to an article in the Constitution and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
      1. 0
        3 March 2020 20: 35
        Quote: Whalebone
        So we decided to please ZAO "ROC". So that circulars on business are sent out to you - you have so much. And a link to an article in the Constitution and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

        And then Gazprom is tired of keeping .. not enough, yachts need to be updated ..
      2. 0
        4 March 2020 09: 16
        Well, yes, yes .... priests on church tithe yearned for ...
  32. +5
    3 March 2020 11: 00
    I propose to introduce into the Constitution, the purpose of the existence of Russia is steadily increasing the welfare of its citizens.
    1. +10
      3 March 2020 11: 16
      Quote: Chaldon48
      I propose to introduce into the Constitution, the purpose of the existence of Russia is steadily increasing the welfare of its citizens.

      Well, what you can’t do, so radically, gradually necessary! For a year, by 2050, according to new May decrees.
  33. +3
    3 March 2020 11: 04
    such amendments as the mention of God can be considered as attempts to archaize the basic law of the country with all the ensuing consequences.
    It's hard to disagree with this statement! This will arouse a lot of discontent among residents of a different religion, although if we take into account the period of "gathering of Orthodox lands," the phrase is quite logical, but as mentioned above, it is very archaic.
  34. +3
    3 March 2020 11: 08
    Quote: Arlen
    Not in order to amend the constitution so that people would choose which item is needed and which is not, but in order to accept ALL the amendments. Need a new constitution. We must vote against the amendments.

    You are going the right way, comrade! bully hi
    1. +7
      3 March 2020 11: 14
      Quote: Radikal
      You are going the right way, comrade!

      This one is accurate! It’s a pity that not everyone will reach. wink
  35. +3
    3 March 2020 11: 08
    I am indifferent to all these amendments, because the practical actions of the president - raising the retirement age and the procedure for adopting amendments that are not in accordance with the law, the constitution has been turned into a purely declarative document. The main thing for the current government is to give power to the state council, the rest is to divert eyes.
  36. -1
    3 March 2020 11: 13
    Are there any sociologists? Who-the thread has a diploma of state manager (read the diploma of the president)? Maybe someone has presidential experience? Or will someone risk comparing this position with a farmer or director?
    __ They say 24 pages of corrections and changes. And in the aggregate what it is, no one answers. I am interested in the opinion of experts. At least sociologists. Only then will it become clear what is being offered to us. Pull something out and scream -ZA! No, not at all for me. With something, I agree, but only certain points. If this is even another experiment, let it be. Experience is needed, albeit historically.
    1. -1
      3 March 2020 17: 01
      Google Katya Shulman. Clever aunt and savvy. She promised to put everything down to the points today. Make a sign - "Now" and "Will". For each amendment. I'll read it for the sake of interest.
      1. -1
        5 March 2020 12: 45
        not found anything yet
  37. +4
    3 March 2020 11: 18
    I have a question, comrades! And how will the vote go? Will one amendments be or will they be divided into separate ones? Because there are those that are not acceptable for me and my loved ones. And if they are presented in one package, then you have to vote against the whole package as a whole! And this is not right, as it will be wrong to vote for.
    1. +1
      3 March 2020 11: 29
      one package
      1. +1
        3 March 2020 13: 59
        I get it. thank
    2. +2
      3 March 2020 14: 57
      On this and the calculation
    3. -3
      3 March 2020 17: 02
      It’s just not going to be right. To be ashamed then it was not that he participated in this with his own hands.
  38. +3
    3 March 2020 11: 18
    The demonic spawn decided the most holy to hide. Once again, poor people are fed up with ears, then they don’t have much to do, like a herd of artiodactyls go to polling stations, they make the wrong decisions without starting point, doesn’t the citizens have a question, what is the reason for such a rush? And for what genuine purpose is the Constitution amended?
    1. +1
      3 March 2020 11: 49
      Explain to us?
  39. 0
    3 March 2020 11: 22
    They forgot to write only about LGBT people and his role in the Russian Federation, for the sake of greater certainty.
  40. +6
    3 March 2020 11: 56
    When they offer to agree with the "bag of amendments" (either all or none), this is unambiguous political cheating. Because the saying about "a fly in the ointment in a barrel of honey" is known to everyone. One more popular wisdom, less known, but much more capacious, can be cited: "Milk touched by the sting of a snake is no longer milk." Nobody forbade breaking the amendments even into groups by subject, so they would see what the people as a whole accept and what they categorically reject. But no! Here's a trough, eat! It's a shame when people are considered unreasonable beasts.
  41. +6
    3 March 2020 11: 56
    God must be in the head (soul, if you will) and not in the constitution. For your tricks should be responsible regardless of whether you were president or not. The State Council, if he really wants it to be, should be an elected body, moreover, elected by direct vote and not according to some muddy party or any other lists. And along the way of the proposals, everything is quite simple. In the whole package there is some sort of byak which, well, someone really needs. And all about the Russian people, marriages, pensions, WALES is a lubricant that allows you to shove the only thing you need through the distant electorate. Hence the package. I am for the referendum and amendments but POST.
  42. +1
    3 March 2020 11: 59
    Constitutionally debunking de-Stalinization, according to the current precedent with BB!
  43. +1
    3 March 2020 12: 13
    Interestingly, will voting for changes in the constitution of the Russian Federation take place outside the borders of the Russian Federation? Will Russian citizens living abroad be given the opportunity to vote? Somehow it is not clear ....
  44. 0
    3 March 2020 12: 19
    In general, it coincides with how everything should be. How can this be implemented on the example of Irkutsk, where the Bolsheviks blew up the Kazan cathedral, wanted to build a "house of councils" in its place, as a result, the project was canceled and a poor "gray house" was built, which still spoils the view there. Details: http://irkipedia.ru/content/zaklyate_serogo_doma_opyt_dokumentalno_misticheskogo_issledovaniya

    Now it would not be bad to build a new administration building for the first project of the house of councils, but in a new place, in the center of the agglomeration of Irkutsk, Angarsk, Shelekhov. A gray house to demolish and rebuild the cathedral.
  45. +11
    3 March 2020 12: 27
    "God, family, Russian people..."

    I wonder if Putin will add to his editorial board:
    - a ban on even mentioning the progressive tax with the rich (and, of course, himself);
    - a ban on criticism of himself and his accomplices;
    - criminal liability of "his" wards for the failures of "projects" that cost Russia a lot of money (Chubais immediately sweated...)

    Another interesting question is whether Putin will add the following permissions to the Constitution:
    - permission rummage free in garbage dumps and landfills people of pre-retirement age who are still far from the "Putin" pension (because they allowed to collect deadwood);
    - Allowing supermarkets to sell to our poor people from the back door with discounts "macaroshki" and various expired products;
    - a ban on mentioning poverty in the country on TV (caused by his "reforms");
    - the permission of disadvantaged people to curse Putin's power, but only in a whisper and only in the kitchens;

    But I almost certainly believe that I know what Putin will add (and that he is absolutely THE MOST IMPORTANT in "his" edition, and why this "constitutional" flywheel is spinning so wildly now):
    - The State Council, led by the most worthy (I believe that his surname will begin with the letter "Pu")
    - Immunity of the former "head" of state (my grandmother in such cases said - the cat knows whose meat was eaten);
    - Inviolability of the accumulated assets of the former "head" of state in Russia (for his, so to speak, continuous, "galley rowing");

    And all the other proposals, in my opinion, are purely in order to hide behind their heap those that, in my humble opinion, our great and sun-faced wants to promote as soon as possible!

    By the way, there is a good joke on this subject.
    "After the changes in the Constitution, we will live much better" - the authorities said!
    "And we?" - asked the people ...
    1. -10
      3 March 2020 14: 00
      Have you seen many beggars in our country? In trains, it doesn’t count - this is business. Have you seen many mentally normal people rummaging in garbage dumps? Not alcoholics and salvagers who make good money on good things? You are our destitute.
      1. +1
        3 March 2020 15: 01
        You are at least 100 miles away from the city and visit a couple of villages with towns. Go to the shops there and look at thick notebooks where they write products on loan until the payday. In the same cities, life is getting better every year, and second-hand stores where 20 rubles. Kg more and more and a bunch of shops positioning as very cheap food, lies for a penny an appropriate time or a frank G that is impossible to eat and there are a lot of people in them. Is it from a good life or what?
        1. -3
          3 March 2020 15: 08
          I’m moving away a couple of times a week. To the small Motherland, 300 km from St. Petersburg. There, too, no one rummages from sane pensioners. But mushrooms and berries for sale harvested.
          1. 0
            3 March 2020 18: 12
            Iron argument. If I don’t see it, then this is not.
        2. 0
          7 March 2020 01: 10
          Well, I'm rustic. And not in the Moscow region. I have never met anything of the dramatic post-apocalyptic horrors described by you (I recall the scenes of the future from the 1st terminator - where Kyle Reese walks through the bunker of the Resistance). Come on, tell me (or better yet, give me a hard rap) about a hard life. You lie as always. And the avatar was also attached "stylish, fashionable, youthful".
          1. -2
            7 March 2020 22: 09
            Head hit?
            1. +1
              7 March 2020 23: 13
              No, you tell me something, the bumpkin, all the bitter truth about the village life! Come on, I'm listening to you carefully! And let's not get personal - it seems to me that I’m talking with Ivan Gamaz!
              1. -1
                8 March 2020 19: 02
                And I have the feeling that I am talking with a novice science fiction writer. He and the bunker terminators lie and severe repchins with Avatars in a heap dumped. And after that the recorder is indignant at some kind of transitions.
                1. +1
                  8 March 2020 19: 07
                  It’s your fault that, according to your descriptions of the realities of life in the Russian outback, I (I think that and not only me) have associations with a certain video sequence of this wonderful science fiction film.
                  Ghetto niggas sing a harsh rape about the equally harsh life in this ghetto - you could well sing about our original Russian village! laughing
                  1. -1
                    8 March 2020 19: 11
                    I wonder what seltse? Do not tell me? And then you already understood everything there
                    1. +1
                      8 March 2020 19: 17
                      Earlier by you:
                      Quote: SARANCHA1976
                      You are at least 100 miles away from the city and visit a couple of villages with towns. Go to the shops there and see


                      ... about what you yourself said. And do not reproach me with the fact that the village, village, village and village are different types of settlements: in theory it is, but in practice the village can be called a village, and the stream is a whole river.
                      1. -1
                        8 March 2020 19: 35
                        If you, besides twitching quotes, at least thought a little over what you wrote, you could estimate that for lies, as you already understood the insightful, I have used quite detailed details, and if an individual has at least the rudiments of logical thinking, he might think that a person who writes can possibly observe it periodically comes across this. you have specifics in the answers 0. some sets of words about let's tell me I was there myself .. funny. Well, if you are so interested that you can’t eat, I live in Kaliningrad and in the region and take my word for it I write what I see and not someone’s wet fantasies. And I am touched by this stereotype that poverty and misery are to climb in garbage dumps - to go through bunkers =). Here is another bite for you, don’t you know by chance what it has been in our 5-7 years that microcredit organizations have multiplied? And after all, they work and do not burn out strangely. The right word is with us everything is so good.
                      2. +2
                        8 March 2020 23: 27
                        You do not work as a lawyer by chance - it hurts your line of defense is similar to some of their methods. You started with this statement:
                        Quote: SARANCHA1976
                        You are at least 100 miles away from the city and visit a couple of villages with towns. Go to the shops there and look at thick notebooks where they write products on loan until the payday. In the same cities, life is getting better every year, and second-hand stores where 20 rubles. Kg more and more and a bunch of shops positioning as very cheap food, lies for a penny an appropriate time or a frank G that is impossible to eat and there are a lot of people in them. Is it from a good life or what?

                        This is the record point of our discussion. Now you pass it off as allegedly irrefutable arguments. What is the detail of their presentation, I do not understand - you have just Spartan brevity in language and in your brain. I demanded these very details from you, saying that you could hum to me, a village guy, about the harsh realities of life in the outback - you did not. However, you will now declare that your first message is the arguments, and I simply do not have any specifics - so, a set of empty words. Are you trying to turn our dialogue upside down? Will not work! And now either the so-called. "proofs" - or to put it mildly, do not speak!
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      2. -3
        6 March 2020 11: 58
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Have you seen many beggars in our country?

        according to conservative estimates - 1000 times more than in the USSR
        1. +1
          6 March 2020 13: 12
          Because of these beggars, you can’t park at the house in the evening. And on Fridays there are no empty seats in restaurants. And on the Finnish border, what lines does poverty form for the weekend?
          1. -3
            6 March 2020 18: 44
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Because of these beggars, you can’t park at the house in the evening. And on Fridays there are no empty seats in restaurants. And on the Finnish border, what lines does poverty form for the weekend?

            Well, yes, restaurants, overseas. And the rest are all professional beggars, and suckers, of course. lol It is only surprising that they appeared after the USSR?
            1. 0
              7 March 2020 23: 19
              Maybe in Soviet times, the police officers quickly caught them all and sent them to "overcooking" - so as not to discredit the advanced social stratum with their existence? This is the Soviet "legacy".
              1. 0
                7 March 2020 23: 21
                Quote: Nameless
                Maybe in Soviet times, the police officers quickly caught them all and sent them to "overcooking" - so as not to discredit the advanced social stratum with their existence? This is the Soviet "legacy".

                In the stream! Now it’s fashionable to carry such nonsense. There was nothing good in the USSR except galoshes. laughing
                1. +1
                  7 March 2020 23: 35
                  It amuses me that some people are biased and fundamentally perceive someone’s critical and skeptical attitude towards the USSR as a fashion and propaganda of liberals. It’s immediately obvious that you don’t have any dissent, that he considers only himself and his own to be right. And if I tell you that my friend at that time worked in the police - and therefore knows this firsthand, huh?
                  Also say that there were no queues for getting a car or apartment, issuing food on cards in peacetime, empty shelves in stores, a shortage of goods, caviar from oil, the mafia and corruption at that time. Not, I am not begging for anything good from the USSR - but I will not allow anyone to allow him to be extolled as Utopia.
              2. -1
                8 March 2020 19: 40
                Yes, not all of them were shot in the country and the bodies were torn in acid
                1. +1
                  8 March 2020 23: 36
                  No, first the so-called. "overcooking" - so that the parasites die. Then under the article for parasitism, leading a different parasitic lifestyle or for violation of the passport regime. In general, they dealt with them as with ordinary small marginals.
  46. +3
    3 March 2020 12: 40
    And "God Save the Tsar" to make the anthem of Russia, why waste time on trifles!
  47. +7
    3 March 2020 12: 51
    If something is imposed in bulk, then they want to throw it.
    In Soviet times, all kinds of junk were pushed into the load for the needed scarce goods.
  48. -2
    3 March 2020 12: 53
    So when is the referendum?
  49. +7
    3 March 2020 13: 16
    As soon as they disguise the State Council with eternal rule with their friends
  50. +1
    3 March 2020 13: 18
    Secondly, despite the secular nature of the Russian state, the president suggested introducing the concept of "God" into the Constitution of the Russian Federation. "Those who conveyed us ideals and faith in God" is again nonsense from the "onoliteg" Polonsky. It feels like he's not Russian
    1. -2
      3 March 2020 18: 14
      And I thought that we had a neo-feudal system
  51. +3
    3 March 2020 13: 22
    I think that the immunity clause is the most important thing for the Dear Leader.
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  53. +6
    3 March 2020 14: 37
    Honestly, it would have been easier to develop a new Constitution and make the discussion public...on the Internet...They are trying to shove something into the Constitution that is completely unnecessary, for example about God, it will turn out that one article will contradict another...About the family. ..why is this?..It is enough to amend the Family Code...this amendment will in no way contradict the Constitution...etc.
    1. +2
      3 March 2020 15: 54
      I’ll add it not easier, but more simply. Because they have done so many things that in fact, they are already creating a new Constitution.
  54. +6
    3 March 2020 14: 41
    Well, immunity is great. He carried out an anti-people policy - and you don’t answer to the people after your term. Brilliant correction.
    The Russian Federation is successor to the Soviet Union. Where it is advantageous
    world politics - will be easily written down. And in the field of social protection? It doesn't look like it works...
    Why form the Russian people, marriage and God in the constitution? This is already regulated by propaganda in history, the registry office and the church.
    By the way, the country is multinational; all nations influenced its formation. I propose to add the Varangians to the constitution. This is who really did the great work of establishing Russia. And God is just right.
  55. +2
    3 March 2020 14: 52
    The provision on the state-forming status of the Russian people was introduced in a completely correct form, in connection with the state status of the Russian language and the need to study it. At the same time, in the republics, along with the general federal state Russian language, their languages ​​can also be introduced as republican state languages. By the way, no one pays attention to the fact that the discussion about the possibility of transforming territories and regions into republics is essentially closed. After all, the main distinguishing feature of a republic is the possibility of introducing its own state and official languages.
    I would refuse the provision on the state-forming status of the Russian people only if references to the status of those peoples after whom these republics are named were removed from the constitutions of the republics within the Russian Federation.
  56. BAI
    +4
    3 March 2020 15: 00
    There is a good video on the Internet. I recommend finding it, I can’t insert it myself. And this is an illustration for it (a still from it).

    You don't have to read the last 2 statements. Off topic.
    1. 0
      3 March 2020 15: 20
      From the same film: Chief Director.. Shouldn’t we take a swing at William, ours at Shakespeare... voices from the audience: Why should we take a swing at laughing
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  57. AAK
    +5
    3 March 2020 15: 10
    Colleagues! Who has read the full list of proposed changes? If anyone has it, please post the link,
    Personally, I don’t understand the purpose of holding a vote for the entire package as a whole, there are very contradictory proposals there, even the discussion in this thread on VO already shows this. Is the goal really to avoid the most pressing changes... like the people did not accept... so stay with the supremacy of “international” decisions, the “changeability” of borders, etc.
    1. -1
      3 March 2020 15: 21
      May the people accept, the main thing is to count correctly....
    2. 0
      7 March 2020 01: 16
      There are still 2 whole months before the referendum - so they may well decide to vote not for the entire project, but for individual amendments. In my opinion, this would be simply wonderful - I’m an agnostic, and therefore I don’t know about God.
  58. -4
    3 March 2020 15: 35
    Good amendments, but intermediate. There will be a completely new Constitution in 2024
  59. for
    +2
    3 March 2020 16: 13
    In general, each segment of the population has its own carrots, so that their wishes are accepted.
  60. 0
    3 March 2020 16: 17
    Quote: Freeman
    This, the mention of God, also “didn’t interfere”

    demotivator - affirmative nonsense, they called themselves a superior race - do you believe in this?, and when they say that God is with them, do you believe? talking shop and reality are two different things
  61. +2
    3 March 2020 16: 45
    House-2 moved to the Kremlin.
  62. +3
    3 March 2020 16: 59
    But I wonder what God Himself thinks about all this?
    No, I'm lying - who cares...
    So, the same Jesus, having seen and delved into the work of many Christian denominations, would have been horrified: He did not call for this! And he didn’t preach!
    Neither to build grandiose temples, nor to put on luxurious clothes with tall headdresses, nor to own land plots with slaves, nor, especially, to organize crusades, benefits for the trade in alcohol and tobacco (this happened!) - he had nothing of the kind in mind in his sermons.
    It just happened that way.
    He was deceived.
    And Mohammed, in the name of God, did he really call for killing all infidels? Not at all - and that’s why all other religions have been perfectly preserved in the territories of Muslim countries, it’s only now that someone has given the go-ahead to Wahhabism and intolerance.
    I’m especially at a loss about His opinion on the pension reform: when people were promised one thing all their lives (and it’s still only one), and then - once: “Please understand and forgive...”
  63. +5
    3 March 2020 17: 04
    Another warm-up for the crowd to turn out for the plebiscite poll. Plebiscite (not to be confused with a referendum) - familiarization of the plebs with the new law. In our case, the Charter of the new trust of the Russian Federation, because the old one has ended. And it is necessary to create a new trust, or return the property to the RSFSR-USSR as the legal owner (founder) and pay dividends from the exploitation of this property. Now the Russian Federation, as a trustee (short for RSFSR for the UN), temporarily replaces the RSFSR-USSR in the UN and the UN Security Council, hence the conflicts with Russian diplomats when they are not allowed there. Citizens of the USSR who agree (and not so much) with the terms of the new trust must put their signature on the Charter of the new trust of the Russian Federation. Citizens of the RSFSR become individuals of the Russian Federation, having the right of ownership (but not property) and are obliged to comply with the corporate laws of the Russian Federation, and reimburse the costs of the trustee through taxes. Also for them and their taxation, a sign of the ruble (Soviet) is printed with the proud name Ticket of the Bank of Russia, but without gold filling, but with% for use.
    Let me remind you that the Constitution of 1978 (as well as the laws on the Soviet police, the prosecutor’s office, etc.) has not been repealed and it is legitimate and valid. Was the 1993 draft constitution approved by the majority? in a plebiscite - a public discussion, and its change to a new trust also occurs by a plebescite, and not a referendum. Otherwise, changes to the 1978 Constitution would have to be discussed at the referendum, which would have caused bewilderment among the plebs.
    P.S. Well, this is somewhat brief, without affecting the beneficiary of the trust. Everyone decides for himself who to be: a citizen or an individual. Go sign or let the ghouls get out on their own.
    1. 0
      11 March 2020 09: 26
      I will support you. But somehow I doubt the legitimacy of the existence of the USSR itself. Only Stalin fought for the sovereignty of the country (this is a hypothesis), but he was killed (the same hypothesis). And the end of the country’s acquisition of sovereignty was sold along with us, a fact.
      ___ Key word - SOVEREIGNTY
  64. -2
    3 March 2020 17: 12
    Russian tsars and emperors lasted 300 years without a thought and without a constitution.
  65. +7
    3 March 2020 17: 18
    Quote: Svarog
    And the points about God and the State Council are not entirely clear to me. Otherwise I agree.

    They remembered about God, but what about “DO NOT STEAL”! There are a LOT of amendments. There is a complete revision of the Constitution. And they threw 3-4 amendments at the people, which everyone likes. No one has read the rest, but they vote in a bunch. I think we will live in another country, with a different regime. With “overwhelming” consent. hi
    1. 0
      3 March 2020 21: 31
      Yes, too, like the union collapsed, like no one was responsible for anything, only now in the showdown between the branches of power, the church will also get involved, there will be blood... And what kind of church?, the one that began to rule in Moscow after cannibalism with the Poles , or the one that supported the white terror against its own people... Everything is very subtle here, why should the patriarch get involved in the constitution?, or maybe like in
      in Israel everything is according to the old covenant and the children are according to their mother?
  66. +1
    3 March 2020 19: 56
    I will definitely go and vote AGAINST this constitutional coup. I’ll also take a photo of the ballot - or rather, the sheet with the survey. Because “this” has nothing in common with the referendum. But you have to go, and here’s why: This is not a referendum where a mandatory turnout threshold is required. That is why they are pushing the YES or NO survey. And those who write “I won’t go because I don’t think it’s legitimate” consider that you voted FOR.
    Because if only 10 Edrososov and 2 pensioners who are completely in love with the hydrant come to the poll, they will vote FOR the adoption of the amendments. As a result, you will receive that same 100% for accepting the amendments. The fact that you didn’t come will be of benefit to everyone - they simply won’t count you, or even worse, they will think that you are also FOR. It will be even easier for them to draw 146% than with a protest vote.
  67. +2
    3 March 2020 20: 39
    Well, firstly, I think it is necessary to return the historical names Stalingrad, Leningrad, not a single city on planet Earth has Mamayev Kurgan (about 6 million in a mass grave), and not a single city with a population of about 3 million people was under siege for so long.. .
  68. +5
    3 March 2020 21: 17
    In connection with the upcoming decline of the government, the GDP decided to protect itself as much as possible. Therefore, it decided to add to the heap the most “extremely necessary, vitally important” items for the country. Pure deceit. For those, discuss. It is necessary to abolish immunity not only for the former president, but also for deputies. During our time we have worked hard and come up with good laws, so don’t be afraid now. It is not a sin to suffer for the truth. Moreover, many times they spoke about realizing the extent of their responsibility. As VVP said: “There is no need to interfere in the judicial process.”

    About voting. In the Vladimir region, Orlova (from United Russia) was given a ride in the gubernatorial elections only due to the fact that there were many voluntary observers from other parties. Advertising "If you don't want to vote, then the ballot will vote for you". Even the dead show consciousness.
    It is clear that from EP they will make something new and different, but with the same filling because with the EP mark......
  69. +2
    3 March 2020 21: 22
    Um, yes, Joseph Vissarionovich in the 1936 constitution, somehow didn’t even mention..., although what am I talking about, a country with a plinth mentality (with respect), maybe that’s all, the Pepsi generation is fed up, that’s it, what to eat, he will be proud to retire at 150 years old, drink nepheline from the tap, live in a good comfortable apartment with an area of ​​11 sq. m....
  70. -1
    3 March 2020 21: 23
    The local demons are worried!
  71. 0
    3 March 2020 21: 31
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: SARANCHA1976
    God ???, family, Russian people .. rather a church.

    God must be in the soul; one cannot live without God.

    It’s possible without God, but without faith, no, no...
    It's bad when there is no king in your head...
  72. +1
    3 March 2020 21: 57
    Quote: Lyuba1965_01
    2 points confuse me.
    1. The family is the union of a man and a woman. Everything seems to be correct, but there is a catch: what to do if, through surgery, a woman has become a man and vice versa? Can they also be considered a family and register their marriage? Is legislative distortion thus established?
    2. God in the Constitution. Why, if Russia is a secular country? Or did you decide to legislate the existence of God in this way?

    Maybe you and the rest of those present here will find answers to some questions - https://publizist.ru/blogs/107563/35124/- winked Or here -
    https://publizist.ru/blogs/4796/35122/- sad
  73. +1
    4 March 2020 15: 57
    If God is not included in the constitution, then He must be removed from the anthem - this is for supporters of a secular state. Regarding EBN, I am against it. The authorities love him, but there is no point in legislating the crime.
    They are also preparing an amendment stating that children are the property of Russia... Also against it. Children are the property of their parents.
  74. 0
    4 March 2020 17: 52
    It’s a pity that my grandfathers, communists, and therefore not believers in God (when I was little, I strongly pestered one grandfather with this question), but who defended the country in the Finnish and WWII, are offered to be betrayed..., now into oblivion: “preserving the memory of the ancestors who passed on we need ideals and faith in God,” and then?
  75. 0
    4 March 2020 18: 59
    what if there is no God?)) or if you are an atheist, are you violating the constitution)?
  76. kig
    +1
    5 March 2020 03: 00
    It’s unclear why there’s such a rush. It turns out some strange picture: on January 15 we were first notified about them, and on January 23 the Duma already approved it unanimously - does this really happen? What, not a single Duma member doubted a single proposal? On February 3, VTsIOM announced that it had conducted a survey - it turns out that as many as 80% of Russians also approve. Excuse me, but no one asked me, my friends and acquaintances, acquaintances of friends - how did we get into these percentages? Almost all the media not only directly suggest, but somehow implicitly hint that everything was already wonderful, but it will be even better. On April 22, please vote already. How will voting take place, for each individually or en masse? Let’s say I understand about the minimum wage, I agree (well, who wouldn’t agree, right?) About the constitutional court, parliament, State Council, judges and prosecutors... I don’t know, I can’t imagine why this is necessary, whether it is necessary at all. and what’s bad about what we have now. I suspect that 99% of the population doesn’t really understand this either. Well, let's go vote...
  77. +2
    5 March 2020 09: 46
    I will express my IMHO
    The Russian Federation, united by a thousand-year history, preserving the memory of its ancestors who passed on to us the ideals and faith in God, as well as the continuity in the development of the Russian state, recognizes the historically established state unity,

    It is unclear what God we are talking about (Buddha, Allah, Christ, Zeus, Perun, Odin?) and contradicts the article:
    Article 14
    1. The Russian Federation is a secular state. No religion can be established as state or mandatory.
    2. Religious associations are separated from the state and are equal before the law.

    Next
    No less interesting is the proposal to include in the Constitution a provision on the inviolability of the former president of the Russian Federation. Although immunity was confirmed legally at the very beginning of the reign of Vladimir Putin, which was perceived by many as a desire to protect the then living Boris Yeltsin from possible criminal prosecution, now the immunity of ex-presidents will be included in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

    that is, if the president messed up during the years of his power and subsequently irrefutable facts of his treason, betrayal or criminal negligence were revealed, then it turns out that the amendment repeals the existing article
    Article 19
    1. All are equal before the law and the court.
    2. The state guarantees the equality of human and civil rights and freedoms, regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official position, place of residence, religion, beliefs, affiliation with public associations, as well as other circumstances. Any form of restriction of citizens' rights on the grounds of social, racial, national, linguistic or religious affiliation is prohibited.

    I am against the package of amendments,
    but if it were possible to vote for each amendment separately, then I would vote positively for some of them
  78. -1
    6 March 2020 05: 31
    I hate and despise this man and will vote against his next attempt to stay in power through constitutional amendments.
  79. 0
    6 March 2020 11: 48
    Wondering how to vote? For example, I am against mentioning God, and everything else (for example!) suits me. But I consider mentioning God in the Constitution to be stupid and disgraceful. So against it? The only time in my memory there was a real discussion of the draft Constitution and its adoption was Brezhnev. Even if in reality it was unlikely that anything could be changed in a serious way, the discussion was not organized as in 93 and now - they wrote quickly and quickly accepted.
  80. 0
    6 March 2020 12: 34
    Among the amendments to the Constitution that President Vladimir Putin introduced to the State Duma, there was no provision banning officials and deputies from owning foreign real estate. This was done intentionally, Vedomosti reported, citing sources in the presidential administration and the State Duma.
    Foreign real estate remains for now, because now many politicians and officials have it.
    The president did not make a proposal to introduce a ban on the ownership of foreign real estate during the address.
    1. 0
      7 March 2020 01: 36
      You are mistaken - see Article 77, paragraph 3!
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      2. -1
        7 March 2020 03: 21
        Where? Where about the ban on owning foreign real estate?
        Or didn’t you read it yourself?
        Or did they just lie?
        I'm waiting for your reasoned answer!

        "3) Article 77 shall be supplemented with part 3 as follows:
        "3. The highest official of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation
        (head of the highest executive body of state power
        subject of the Russian Federation) may be a citizen of the Russian Federation
        Federation, over 30 years of age, permanent resident
        in the Russian Federation, without foreign citizenship
        state or residence permit or other document,
        confirming the right of permanent residence of a citizen
        Russian Federation on the territory of a foreign state.
        Federal law may establish additional
        requirements for the highest official of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation (head of the highest executive body
        state power of the subject of the Russian Federation).";
        4) Article 78 shall be supplemented with the part .....”.
        1. 0
          7 March 2020 08: 49
          Paragraph 77 has been added to Article 3 (on the system of public authorities):

          The highest official of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation (the head of the highest executive body of state power of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation) may be a citizen of the Russian Federation who has reached 30 years of age, permanently resides in the Russian Federation, and does not have citizenship of a foreign state or a residence permit or other document confirming the right
          for permanent residence of a citizen of the Russian Federation on the territory of a foreign state. The highest official of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation (the head of the highest executive body of state power of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation) in the manner established by federal law, it is forbidden to open and have accounts (deposits), to store cash and valuables in foreign banks located outside the territory of the Russian Federation. Federal law may establish additional requirements for the highest official of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation (the head of the highest executive body of state power of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation).

          Add part 78 to Article 5 (on executive authorities):

          5) The head of a federal government body may be a citizen of the Russian Federation who has reached 30 years of age and does not have citizenship of a foreign state or a residence permit or other document confirming the right to permanent residence of a citizen of the Russian Federation on the territory of a foreign state. The head of a federal government body, in accordance with the procedure established by federal law, is prohibited from opening and having accounts (deposits), storing cash and valuables in foreign banks located outside the territory of the Russian Federation.

          ========
          About real estate, yes, I was wrong here - I read your comment briefly (I wanted to sleep). Confused with the ban on money abroad. If my memory serves me correctly, then no one stuttered about it (real estate) initially.
        2. 0
          7 March 2020 09: 08
          The real estate ban is still too revolutionary for some officials. I think that later they will be able to add it in the form of a bill banning the acquisition of real estate abroad - so to speak, they will at least start with this. However, even in this form, these amendments, coupled with the need to reside in the country for at least 30 years and the absence of foreign citizenship or residence permits, are very good. I am simply thrilled that now none of the fugitive oligarchs who financed the mafia and Chechen gangs for their political interests will be able to return and seize power.
          1. -1
            7 March 2020 11: 44
            Not revolutionary, but unacceptable; almost everyone has real estate abroad and they are not going to give it up.
            And the president decided to be understanding... and not to insist, not even to mention it
            1. +1
              7 March 2020 23: 07
              That’s why I say that the very proposal to refuse is revolutionary - because for officials it is too sudden and radical.
              1. 0
                8 March 2020 02: 38
                That's it.
                This highlights profanity and pretense
                1. 0
                  8 March 2020 13: 26
                  Profanity and pretense on whose part, if the conversation about real estate was not initially discussed, and there were only proposals regarding citizenship, age and foreign accounts? Initially there was no deception, nor any talk about real estate!
                  1. 0
                    8 March 2020 13: 29
                    That’s the pretense that the conversation wasn’t about real estate in the first place.
                    Without this, the rest is, to put it mildly, half measures.
                    This very absence of the necessary mention of real estate shows that they don’t want to do something seriously
                    1. 0
                      8 March 2020 13: 35
                      Oh Lord, pretense is when they say one thing and do or think another. There was no question here of even saying one thing, let alone doing the other.
                      Giving up property is too radical for now. A more reasonable bill would be to ban the acquisition new real estate abroad.
  81. +1
    6 March 2020 12: 42
    God knows...
  82. 0
    6 March 2020 20: 07
    The amendment to the very “Russian Question” is pure Zhirinovism, a barker for fools who, having heard the ringing, should joyfully run and wave YES under everything else. Before sticking something “Russian” into the next Constantia, you first need to give a public assessment of the package of revolutions of 1917, as an anti-Russian genocidal project, brought to life, paid for with Russian blood from both warring sides, and working with might and main until the early 30s least. As for God: not only is this an absurdity in relation to a document of the State (!), multinational (!), multi-confessional (!), but the modest editors are silent about the name of God in the style of “In God Vi Trust”, as written on the dollar. But in truth it is like this: Tell me who your God is, and I will tell you who you are. Some gods also have horns and hooves. Personally, I, a Russian person, see such cheap tricks as a mockery. Because it is perfectly clear that the current authorities have God as the Golden Calf, or worse, this can be seen “by their fruits.”
  83. -2
    7 March 2020 00: 15
    Eh, the liberals are on fire here!
  84. -1
    7 March 2020 00: 25
    Quote: seti
    I fully FOR such amendments.

    Me too. No tolerance, no real estate and foreign accounts for deputies, a ban on the seizure of territories, a minimum of 25 years of residence and no dual citizenship for applicants for senior government positions. All for it!
    And Muscovites assimilated by the West (I’m ashamed to call you my compatriots) with a pro-Western protest position are going to hell!
  85. 0
    7 March 2020 01: 20
    Quote: Hypatius
    Another warm-up for the crowd to turn out for the plebiscite poll. Plebiscite (not to be confused with a referendum) - familiarization of the plebs with the new law. In our case, the Charter of the new trust of the Russian Federation, because the old one has ended. And it is necessary to create a new trust, or return the property to the RSFSR-USSR as the legal owner (founder) and pay dividends from the exploitation of this property. Now the Russian Federation, as a trustee (short for RSFSR for the UN), temporarily replaces the RSFSR-USSR in the UN and the UN Security Council, hence the conflicts with Russian diplomats when they are not allowed there. Citizens of the USSR who agree (and not so much) with the terms of the new trust must put their signature on the Charter of the new trust of the Russian Federation. Citizens of the RSFSR become individuals of the Russian Federation, having the right of ownership (but not property) and are obliged to comply with the corporate laws of the Russian Federation, and reimburse the costs of the trustee through taxes. Also for them and their taxation, a sign of the ruble (Soviet) is printed with the proud name Ticket of the Bank of Russia, but without gold filling, but with% for use.
    Let me remind you that the Constitution of 1978 (as well as the laws on the Soviet police, the prosecutor’s office, etc.) has not been repealed and it is legitimate and valid. Was the 1993 draft constitution approved by the majority? in a plebiscite - a public discussion, and its change to a new trust also occurs by a plebescite, and not a referendum. Otherwise, changes to the 1978 Constitution would have to be discussed at the referendum, which would have caused bewilderment among the plebs.
    P.S. Well, this is somewhat brief, without affecting the beneficiary of the trust. Everyone decides for himself who to be: a citizen or an individual. Go sign or let the ghouls get out on their own.

    Oh, and activists from the terrorist organization “GRP of the RSFSR as part of the USSR” are right there! Yes, I can recognize you anywhere, blindfolded and plugged up my ears, just by your smell - because, like the liberals, you feed from one tit!
  86. kig
    0
    7 March 2020 04: 01
    Let's try to parse this:
    The Russian Federation, united by a thousand-year history, preserving the memory of its ancestors who passed on to us the ideals and faith in God, as well as the continuity in the development of the Russian state, recognizes the historically established state unity

    The RSFR as a state, as far as I remember from the history textbook, appeared in 1917. Before that there was an Empire, again Russian, and what was in its place 1000 years before that is still unclear. Historians argue. What if there was Kievan Rus there? How to avoid getting into trouble.

    The Russian Federation in its present form is a multinational state, but we are hinted that we all have a common history. I suspect that many nationalities have their own history, and would not at all want to combine it with someone else's. Are there any pitfalls here? History is such a thing... but historical truth is even worse.

    About the memory of ancestors. How many of us are there who can trace their ancestors back to at least the third generation? I only have documentary evidence about my grandparents, and even then not about all of them. The rest were lost in the turmoil of the civil war. However, none of them conveyed to me faith in God. In those days, it was not very common to have such faith. Let us return again to the multinational state that is the Russian Federation. Not only are there many nationalities there, there are also a mixture of confessions, and it turns out that the faith is not exactly the same. So it would be necessary to clarify which God will be mentioned in the Constitution. This is the Basic Law, right? And if there is also a point about the decisive importance of the Russian people, then it seems to be implicit that the Russian faith will be the most correct. Over time, there will definitely be enthusiasts who will broadcast exactly this from all media.

    Well, as for the historically established national unity... probably everyone remembers that recently we historically formed into many republics, and where are they now?
  87. +1
    7 March 2020 16: 00
    You know, I decided to add my 5 cents (not quite on the topic of the article, rather on the topic of the comments).
    It turns out that the communists made a superpower out of Russia..... Every time you read this, you ask the question “do people really think that way?” Perhaps I will break someone's crystal castle, but before the start of the 1st World War - Russia was quite a superpower. Although wait, maybe I'm a liar? Maybe I'm a monarchist? Let's figure out what are the signs of a superpower? Global influence? Army size? GDP? Population size? Possession of cutting edge technologies?
    Russia of the 19th and early 20th centuries was a desired ally for Bismarck (and his realpolitik Germany), for France and England (Entente) (I’ll state everything very briefly and simply)
    The size of the Russian army at the beginning of the 20th century.... oh well, in 1856 it was more than 2 million. The Battle Fleet was also very significant (especially before Tsushima).
    The population is more than 180 million and the population did not think about shrinking, it grew every year.
    Possession of technology is the most controversial point, but why not remember “Ilya of Murom”? "Novikov"?
    ZY Do you need to have all the possible attributes for a country to be called a superpower? Of course not. And I forgot about GDP, but I’m afraid if I start writing, for example, that in terms of industrial production Russia in 1913 occupied 5th place in the world, second only to the USA, Germany, England and France... then I’ll break someone’s business again templates
  88. 0
    7 March 2020 23: 02
    Wow, what belligerent “fighters against the Regime” we are - we put a minus as if we had fired a bullet into the forehead! Hey guys, you'll go far! lol
    1. +4
      8 March 2020 09: 59
      Quote: Nameless
      Wow, what belligerent “fighters against the Regime” we are - we put a minus as if we had fired a bullet into the forehead! Hey guys, you'll go far! lol

      hi
      Don't pay attention to the "cons". They are just confirmation of a certain position Yes .
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  90. 0
    9 March 2020 01: 07
    Quote: SARANCHA1976
    Here's a little primer for you, do you happen to know that we have had so many microcredit organizations proliferate in the past 5-7 years? And after all, they work and don’t burn out. It’s strange, rightly so, everything is so good with us.

    To be honest, I was never interested in this kind of organization. I can assume that their appearance is due to the fact that it is profitable as a business - i.e. at the time of its appearance, it was an “unplowed field” that one could begin to engage in, not without benefit for oneself. I can assume that some of this kind of organizations issue loans not only to those whom ordinary banks would not risk issuing (students with a claim to a startup, a villager who moved to the city and decided to start his own business), but also to crime. However, in the context of your question, this can be considered as a veiled criticism of our state - they say, if everything is so good with us, then why did this kind of organization, created to issue loans to the poor, appear in our country. So, “the authorities are hiding!” laughing
    You would even find fault with the fact that since we have hospitals and police stations, it means that there are sick people and criminals - but how, in your opinion, can they exist in a state in which everything is fine? laughing
    You better name me at least one country in which the poor are completely absent, even to the point of the dead, where no one ever gets sick, where absolutely all crimes have been completely defeated. I’ll even make it easier for you: name it at least in the past - you don’t have to name it in the present tense.
    P.S. - by the way, organizations of this kind exist in both Germany and France, and you will be afraid to even imagine it - even in your holy of holies, in the USA! Therefore, it is completely unclear to me what you were trying to advocate for there. Probably, like all liberals or neo-Stalinists, about “the authorities are hiding”, “damned totalitarian Mordor”, “violation of human rights and freedoms”, “poor pensions and salaries for absolutely all citizens”, “a tyrant in power”, “enough to endure”, “ we are conscientious people”, “the oligarchs in power come here from abroad to work”, “they sold everything and drank it away”, “a raw materials colony of the West”, “a gas station country”, “robbing pensioners”, “it’s all the government’s fault”, “In principle, everything is worse here than abroad”, “let our masters into power and they will kiss your ass”, “wrong elections”, “and in the Soviet Union there was no corruption, bribery, bribery, crime, everyone was equal, and everyone had a job, Soviet education is the best in the world” and “ice cream for 30 kopecks sausage in the churchyard.” You are already so annoying that when I meet agitators like you on the street, I will begin to take out all my black anger on them for my frayed nerves.
    1. 0
      9 March 2020 12: 32
      Quote: Nameless
      To tell the truth, I have never been interested in this kind of organization

      you read you and understand that, to tell the truth, you are not interested in arguing about anything.. But you know everything.. I have an opinion and it is the most correct one. Typical behavior of armchair special forces. At the same time, well, for general development, take an interest. in Germany, and in France, and you will even be afraid to imagine it - even in your holy of holies, in the USA at what interest rates such loans are issued. And where did you get the idea that these are my saints USA. You, like a typical aggressive schoolboy at the time of puberty, label people without knowing anything about them.
  91. 0
    9 March 2020 12: 43
    Quote: SARANCHA1976
    I have an opinion and it is the most correct one.

    This phrase alone can completely describe you. And not only you - but also people like you. You heard some sayings somewhere, picked up someone’s muddy high in adolescence - and hello, here are your beliefs for the rest of your life, the only correct and only true ones. And whoever says otherwise means a liar, because from his words you experience a break in the pattern and your personality integrity is violated, like a spaceship that has lost its integrity. You absolutely cannot reach anything with your mind. And on principle you take other people’s arguments with hostility, deliberately pretending that they do not exist. Have you made your statement about the difficult rural life? Did I ask you for arguments for this statement? Did you provide them to me? NO! Your further statements were devoted to attempts to prove that I was just grinding air - you simply turned on the “back” and avoided answering as an irresponsible and morally weak person. And you’re also trying to attribute your leak to me. Be modest - he is entirely yours. You behave like a woman who believes that she is always right. Therefore, I consider further discussion with you futile.
    1. 0
      11 March 2020 09: 36
      wow, you’re also a sneak among us haha
      1. 0
        12 March 2020 00: 07
        Like almost everyone else here. Since your brethren hand me over to the admin every time, I do the same with you. Honest calculation.

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