God, family, Russian people: Putin introduced amendments to the Constitution for consideration by the State Duma


President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin submitted for consideration by the State Duma of the Russian Federation amendments to the country's main law - its Constitution. Their content has already become a subject of discussion in Russian society.


The document presented on 24 pages contains a number of amendments, conservatively sustained and capable of having a significant impact on the further development of the country's domestic and foreign policy. First, the president proposed an amendment to introduce into the Constitution of the Russian Federation a provision on the state-forming role of the Russian people. Thus, it will be emphasized at the constitutional level that Russia is primarily a state of the Russian people.

Secondly, despite the secular nature of the Russian state, the president proposed introducing the concept of “God” into the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

Russian Federation united by a millennium history, preserving the memory of the ancestors who transmitted to us the ideals and faith in God, as well as the continuity in the development of the Russian state, recognizes the historically established state unity,

- appears in the presidential amendment.

The initiative to mention God in the Constitution of the Russian Federation comes from Patriarch Kirill. As far back as February 2020, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church called for prayer to mention in the Russian fundamental law “such an exalted idea as what is faith in God.”

Thirdly, the Constitution of the Russian Federation proposes to consolidate the definition of a family as a union of a man and a woman. Obviously, this measure was required against the background of the ongoing wave of legalization of same-sex marriage in the world. Emphasizing in the Constitution that only a man and a woman can create a family, the president, therefore, proposes to deprive the supporters of same-sex marriages of the possibility of giving this form of relations the official status of the family, at least without changing the basic law of the country.

It is also proposed in the Constitution to consolidate the succession of the Russian Federation with respect to the Soviet Union on its territory, as well as in international obligations and treaties, and membership in international organizations.

Another item is proposed - on the veneration of the memory of the defenders of the Fatherland and the inadmissibility of a revision of their exploit. Prior to this, the Duma committee had already approved amendments to prohibit any alienation of territories that are part of Russia, as well as calls for alienation of territories.

Thus, the amendments of Vladimir Putin are clearly conservative, traditionalist in nature. The President intends to consolidate around himself supporters of traditional values ​​for which concepts such as the Russian people or family are sacred. But behind the amendments on the state-forming role of the Russian people or on the family as the union of a man and a woman, one can not notice a number of no less significant amendments that can fundamentally change the entire existing system of power.

So, in the Constitution of the Russian Federation the existence of the State Council, formed by the president of the country, can be fixed. It is also prescribed that the president will exercise overall leadership of the country, which in fact turns him into the head of the executive branch of Russia.


No less interesting is the proposal to include in the Constitution a provision on the inviolability of the former president of the Russian Federation. Although immunity was confirmed legally at the very beginning of the reign of Vladimir Putin, which was perceived by many as a desire to protect the then living Boris Yeltsin from possible criminal prosecution, now the immunity of ex-presidents will be included in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

It should be noted that the presidential amendments have already met with mixed reactions in Russian society, which is not surprising, given its very complex ethnic, religious structure, the polar political views of our fellow citizens and many other factors. So, the chairman of the Russian Muftis Council, Ravil Gainutdin, drew attention to the fact that one should not deviate from the wording about the multinational people of Russia, and also emphasized that the concept of “God” is perceived differently by different faiths: Jews, for example, prohibit mentioning his name in vain, and to Buddhists the idea of ​​a creator God is generally alien.

For many proponents of secular values, amendments such as the mention of God can be seen as attempts to archaize the country's fundamental law with all the ensuing consequences. However, among the main part of the population, the attitude towards a possible change in the Constitution of the Russian Federation is rather passive-calm: there are neither pronounced enthusiasm nor manifestations of discontent.

In any case, the Russians will be able to express their attitude to the amendments to the Constitution by voting on April 22, 2020 for or against the amendments. If more than 50% of those who came to the referendum support the amendments, they will be adopted.
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  1. seti 3 March 2020 09: 37 New
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    I fully FOR such amendments.
    1. Svarog 3 March 2020 09: 41 New
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      Quote: seti
      I fully FOR such amendments.

      Do you think that the president should not be held responsible after the end of his term? Personally, this item does not suit me at all .. Won a hunchbacked country and lives happily ever after with a pension of 600 tons.
      1. seti 3 March 2020 09: 53 New
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        Hunchback was not the president of the Russian Federation. Yeltsin has long spread. So far we have one President. Do you disagree with this? Don't you agree for dad / mom / baby? For the fact that the Russian people are state-forming? For the veneration of the Defenders of the Fatherland?

        You can also find fault with the post, but personally I like such corrections and you would need to spit in the well - you are always unhappy with something judging by the comments.
        1. Svarog 3 March 2020 10: 03 New
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          Quote: seti
          You can also find fault with the post but personally I like such amendments

          No, I do not specifically agree with the paragraph on the responsibility of the president. And the points about God and the State Council are not entirely clear to me. The rest I agree.
          1. Stas157 3 March 2020 10: 04 New
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            24 pages of new amendments and God there too! It seems that they have decided to make everything in the Constitution! Accidentally, the rules of the SDA to make there no one suggested?

            Who knows why they decided to talk the Constitution?
            And confirmation of the existence of God in the basic law of a country that considers itself secular is generally beyond the bounds.
            1. Vladimir_2U 3 March 2020 10: 23 New
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              God may be, only what relation does the ROC and the current government have to it?
              1. Stas157 3 March 2020 10: 45 New
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                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                God may be, only what relation does the ROC and the current government have to it?

                But what about the fact that it is under the Constitution that the church is separated from the state. Why did you need additional display of God in the Basic Law of the country?
                I am sure that God, if he is, hardly needs support in the form of the Constitution. And to describe God, the Bible and the Koran are enough.
                1. Vladimir_2U 3 March 2020 10: 49 New
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                  But in any way, the Constitution also has nothing to do with God. ))) But after all, the Americans have a god in their constitution and even on the dollar, how could our powers that be pass by this? This is something good from the world experience that goes by, and some kind of stupidity is immediately being dragged into Russia.
                  1. Varyag_0711 3 March 2020 10: 56 New
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                    Only God is different for everyone.
                    Who believes in Magomed, who in Allah, who in Jesus
                    Whoever does not believe in anything, even to hell to spite everyone (V. Vysotsky)

                    Why should I introduce this into the Constitution? Zadolbali priests already without soap in all not modest places to climb. Little Gundya dough, also need to crawl into the Constitution. What about other religions? We will all enter into the Constitution or what?
                    1. Nick Russ 3 March 2020 11: 20 New
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                      ,, And what about the other religions? We will all enter into the Constitution or what ?,


                      ,, A joint meeting of the Interreligious Council of Russia and the Christian Interfaith Advisory Committee was held at the Danilovskaya Hotel. These two unions include the entire spectrum of religious organizations of the Russian Federation.

                      The main religious organizations (Christian, Muslim, Buddhist and Jewish) of the country, gathered at the invitation of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill for a general meeting, discussed amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation. The discussion resulted in a joint communique.

                      God must be returned to the Constitution of the country ,,
                      1. Alexander Suvorov 3 March 2020 11: 26 New
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                        Nick Russ (Nick Russ)
                        God must be returned to the Constitution of the country ,,
                        What does it mean "returned", but he was there at all? When?
                        And then, with some fright, what are there
                        The main religious organizations (Christian, Muslim, Buddhist and Jewish)
                        will they decide something for me? I did not authorize them, like most people.
                        If you personally want to fasten another collar in the form of the Russian Orthodox Church on your neck, then this is purely your problem. Even without the Russian Orthodox Church, I have enough problems; I’m missing just one more parasite to plant on my neck.
                      2. Nick Russ 3 March 2020 11: 32 New
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                        ,, I did not authorize them, like most people. ,,

                        And you are responsible for yourself. For others it is not necessary.
                      3. Vladimir_2U 3 March 2020 11: 42 New
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                        Remind me of at least one version of the current Constitution of Russia where God was mentioned before "returning" something. And I also did not authorize these religious leaders.
                      4. Nick Russ 3 March 2020 11: 59 New
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                        ,, Remind me at least one version of the current Constitution of Russia where God was mentioned before "returning" something. And I did not authorize these religious figures either. ,,



                        ,, The Constitution is the constituent document of the state, which sets out the main goals of creating the state. ,,

                        ,, In 1905-1906, the Basic State Laws of the Russian Empire were adopted, which in fact became the first constitution of Russia. ,,
                      5. Vladimir_2U 3 March 2020 12: 03 New
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                        You gave a weak quote, it beats easily.
                        The set of basic state laws of 1906 was published by the All-Russian Emperor and was never adopted either by the people or by people's representatives
                        Without saying that autocracy and the Constitution in principle contradict each other.
                      6. Sergej1972 3 March 2020 13: 50 New
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                        There is such a thing as an octroized Constitution. That is, the Constitution granted by the monarch. The main state laws were not quite the Constitution, but already something on the way to it. And, strictly speaking, autocracy in the late meaning of this word (I will not go into the discussion, which was originally understood as autocracy) was no longer after their adoption. Although Nicholas II persistently called himself an autocrat.) Russia became a dualistic monarchy, with very strong emperor power. Executive power remained with him. But legislative power was divided between the emperor, the Duma and the State Council.
                      7. Vladimir_2U 3 March 2020 13: 56 New
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                        Interestingly, thank you, sorry sorry for a bit of late in the Russian Empire. ((
                    2. Sergej1972 3 March 2020 13: 52 New
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                      There is also the Constitution of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, an absolute monarchy, which is slowly transforming into a dualistic monarchy.
                    3. Tatyana 3 March 2020 14: 54 New
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                      Dragging god to the Constitution signifies the merger of the Church with the state and subsequent the collapse of the country on religious and national grounds.

                      It there is at its core an implementation from under the floors of Putin and Cyril of the ROC is nothing but implementation of the content of the plans of the Harvard and Houston projects of the West to divide the USSR / RF.
                      Moreover, for the collapse of the country, the presidents of Russia LIVE will not have any criminal responsibility - even after their resignation!

                      All presidents of the country - Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Medvedev, Putin and the presidents of the national title administrative-territorial entities - they will never and for nothing be held accountable to the people in criminal terms even after their resignation.
                      They are UNMILLERS !!!

                      At the same time, political technologists are pretending that there is supposedly no betrayal at the very “top” and that Gorbachev is not an example of this.

                      Personally, I DO NOT NEED such a Constitution of the Russian Federation!
                      I will vote AGAIN!

                      Gorbachev is an ordinary American agent. • Jul 13 2013 year
                    4. Tatyana 3 March 2020 15: 16 New
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                      Not everything is going smoothly about the alleged solution of the Russian question in the country through amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

                      It should also be noted that with the amendment on God and on the LIFE of the criminally punishable liability of the Presidents of the Russian Federation amendment on the introduction of the Constitution of the Russian Federation about the situation of the Russian people as historically the state of the forming people in the form of an allegedly long-awaited decision on the Russian question in the country since the time of 1917-1922, WILL NOT WORK IN THE FIELDS !!! Namely.

                      In fact, the amendment on the LIFETIME IMPACITY of the presidents of the USSR / RF and the amendment on God will in fact completely neutralize the solution of the Russian question in the titular national administrative-territorial formations with increasing interethnic tension in the country.
                      The amendment of the Constitution of the Russian Federation on the solution of the Russian issue in the Russian Federation is intended by political technologists only to push through the majority of the votes of the Russian population the amendment on the lifelong irresponsibility of the country's presidents and on God.

                      This is just a “bait” - a deceit — on the part of those in power at the very “top” to get in their personal favor a LIVING criminally punishable power in the country and in its titular national-territorial formations.
                    5. krops777 3 March 2020 17: 34 New
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                      Dragging God into the Constitution signifies the merger of the Church with the state and the subsequent disintegration of the country on a religious and national basis.



                      At least you carefully bother to read the amendment, or even draw God to the dismemberment. Why the country did not fall apart from the words in the constitution “secular (atheistic) state”, though it infringes on the rights of believers.
                    6. Spring fluff 5 March 2020 00: 09 New
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                      You may not have noticed, but the previous state of the USSR fell apart not so long ago. There in the constitution instead of ... was the CPSU. Even in that country, churches were destroyed specially, priests were killed. Satanism. It is clear that the amendment about ... was proposed to be brought to the vote, but how they propose to honor at the same time ... and those ancestors who did it. Nonsense
                    7. Tatyana 5 March 2020 02: 02 New
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                      Quote: krops777
                      At least you carefully bother to read the amendment, and then already attract God to the dismemberment

                      Because there are reasons for this.

                      SCANDANDIC FILM ABOUT ORTHODOX. • Published: Jan 5. 2020
                    8. Tatyana 5 March 2020 11: 05 New
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                      But the past recent history of the USSR / Russian Federation tells the people about what presidents we had, so that no Presidents of the Russian Federation will ever be LIVED under the Constitution of the Russian Federation to be exempted from CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY!

                      Korzhakov on the crimes of Yeltsin, Sobchak and Kremlin secrets • May 13, 2019
        2. Diana Ilyina 3 March 2020 12: 08 New
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          Nick Russ (Nick Russ)
          And you are responsible for yourself. For others it is not necessary.
          Well, so do not go to the rest with your superstitions. I, too, did not authorize anyone, there is something for me and my children to decide. So there are so many of us here.
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        4. astepanov 3 March 2020 13: 44 New
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          The Russian Federation, united by a thousand-year history, preserving the memory of the ancestors who transmitted to us ideals and faith in God,
          Nobody personally conveyed faith in God to me personally. I completely do without. Statistics clearly show: the vast majority of unbelievers in the country. The president and Shoigu can be trusted as much as they like, but what have I to do with it? What for the sake of the country are trying to do the Orthodox analogue of Somalia and Iran? Only theocracy was lacking: already on all channels - priests, mullahs, padres and rabbis, in parliament - they are ... The minoblast which for a year in a row admits the infamous textbook "Orthodox Biology" by Vertyanova ... What next? Autodafe? Inquisition? "There is no power, not from God"? If we talk about historical and cultural continuity, then we all come from the USSR, in which the church and power were clearly separated.
          As you wish, I won’t go to my own children and grandchildren to vote and put priests on my neck with my own hands.
        5. Nick Russ 3 March 2020 14: 01 New
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          ,, Statistics clearly show: the vast majority of unbelievers in the country ,,

          It's a lie.
        6. Alexey RA 4 March 2020 12: 18 New
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          Quote: Nick Russ
          It's a lie.

          Alas, it’s true.
          How many of those who call themselves Orthodox will be able to read the Creed for memory? wink
        7. Nick Russ 4 March 2020 12: 24 New
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          There are different degrees of faith. But here the question is not this, but whether the person believes at all or not. Yes or no.
        8. Tank hard 4 March 2020 23: 08 New
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          How many of those who call themselves Orthodox will be able to read the Creed for memory?

          I and the 90 psalm, "Living in the help ..." I can read from memory, but is that how faith is measured? request
    2. CSKA 3 March 2020 15: 19 New
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      Quote: astepanov
      Nobody personally conveyed faith in God to me personally. I completely do without. Statistics clearly show: the vast majority of unbelievers in the country.

      Where, who and when did the survey take place?
      Quote: astepanov
      Only theocracy was lacking

      Read the meaning of the word theocracy.
      Quote: astepanov
      and so already on all channels - priests, mullahs, padres and rabbis

      Already on the Savior and sometimes on Russia 24. Or are you looking at Al-Jazeera?
      Quote: astepanov
      in parliament - they are

      What are your last names?
      Quote: astepanov
      If we talk about historical and cultural continuity, then we all come from the USSR

      Yeah. Everything is direct. Directly our ancestors were born in the USSR and all our children.
      Quote: astepanov
      As you wish, I won’t go to my own children and grandchildren to vote and put priests on my neck with my own hands.

      But at least one of you is able to ponder what you are going to write in the constitution or don’t know how to read, or don’t want to think? What does it mean to sit on the neck? What is religious tax imposed? Just some kind of nonsense.
    3. Tank hard 3 March 2020 21: 55 New
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      Quote: CSKA
      But at least one of you is able to ponder what you are going to write in the constitution or don’t know how to read, or don’t want to think? What does it mean to sit on the neck? What is religious tax imposed? Just some kind of nonsense

      You are absolutely right. hi
    4. Tank jacket 4 March 2020 21: 09 New
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      Everyone deep down knows that there is a God.
  2. Spring fluff 5 March 2020 00: 16 New
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    You asked a good question about pondering :) a little more and you may admit that in order to ponder you need to have time and material to ponder. Of course, independent media would certainly listen to different points of view, but oh well :) Over time, everything is clear - the president is in a catastrophic hurry and will not give time to think. With the material, there was a clarity of -20+ pages of revisions to the basic law. In my opinion it sounds very funny :)
  3. Victor N 3 March 2020 17: 45 New
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    Really from a test tube? And my ancestors were all believers. Do not panic, your neck is not so attractive ....
  4. Fan-fan 3 March 2020 14: 11 New
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    You’re talking here, but we’ll all come to a vote and fail these stupid amendments to the constitution.
  5. Nick Russ 3 March 2020 14: 13 New
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    The flag is in your hands. If 10% of opponents are typed, it will already be a victory for you.
  6. ltc35 3 March 2020 15: 20 New
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    Yes, you are a Western spy who wants the collapse of Russia, if you want such a constitution for our country (I intentionally wrote such a constitution with a small letter). Next will be only the State Council, consisting of the elders and the Revolution. Is there anyone thinking about the future of our country?
  7. Nick Russ 3 March 2020 16: 25 New
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    ,, Yes, you are a Western spy who wants the collapse of Russia, if you want such a constitution for our country (I intentionally wrote such a constitution with a small letter). Next will be only the State Council, consisting of the elders and the Revolution. Is there anyone thinking about the future of our country ?,

    I’m just one of those who want Western ideologies (communism and liberalism) to disappear from Russia.
    And traditional Christian values ​​returned, which have a thousand-year history in Russia.
  8. Varyag71 4 March 2020 07: 31 New
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    What a millennium ??? !!! Now 7528 cmx! Here it is our story, and not when apostate Prince Vladimir baptized Russia.
  9. Whalebone 3 March 2020 19: 54 New
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    Nick, do not worry. You will win. Normal people in big top spectators. And you are a participant. And all the amendments will pass. No wonder they painted them all last summer. I wish you 99% approval of the amendments (in the Czech Republic it will be so) the brainless census will take place on April 22.
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  11. Nyrobsky 3 March 2020 14: 44 New
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    They will deal with the Gods, because the republics have their own Constitution and can amend it regarding national features in matters of faith, without entering into a particular contradiction with the main Constitution. Suppose someone doesn’t vote against God in the Constitution, and what about the amendments that relate to family support and, accordingly, the ban on weddings for pederasts, or the same ban on taking government posts with cunning wallets with dual citizenship or appearance residence permit in the same USA, England and other European suburbs? There are now dozens of them in the governors, ministerial seats and deputy corps, but hundreds. What about these demons? It's just that the problem is that you will have to vote for all amendments in bulk, and not point by point, when the people would have the opportunity to cut some amendment and support some. After that, only those amendment clauses that received the most popular support would be included in the Constitution. And most likely the ballot will have one question - Do you support amendments to the Constitution? And there are two possible answers - “Yes” or “No”.
  12. astepanov 3 March 2020 15: 20 New
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    Quote: Nyrobsky
    It's just that the problem is that you will have to vote for all amendments in bulk, and not point by point, when the people would have the opportunity to cut some amendment and support some.

    Fiercely plus. The feeling is that a wholesale vote is being held so that among the sane, but pi purely declarative amendments, some kind of muck is burying.
  13. Svarog 3 March 2020 16: 33 New
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    Quote: astepanov
    Fiercely plus. The feeling is that a wholesale vote is being held so that among the sane but purely declarative amendments bury some muck

    Moreover, such an interesting fork turns out .. Either the president is not a judge with a life board, or officials with dual citizenship ... choose .. that is, if you are against a life and not a court president, then it’s automatic for dual citizenship for officials .. It’s not possible in one package vote, the vote should be point by point .. But I feel they’ll still drag what they need ..
  14. Honest Citizen 3 March 2020 16: 58 New
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    But I feel they’ll drag what they need anyway ..

    Yes, you’ve said everything correctly. This is exactly what the batch voting will be for.
    Although there should not be a vote but a referendum.
  15. Victor N 3 March 2020 17: 59 New
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    Very few are able to generally evaluate such a complex document, and therefore it is determined which bodies will approve it. We must support the positive changes that each of us likes. Categorical judgments - an unhealthy syndrome of undergrowth.
  16. Alexey RA 4 March 2020 12: 20 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    Moreover, such an interesting plug turns out .. Either the president is not a judge with a life board, or officials with dual citizenship ... choose ..

    All classic: "Two chairs are standing ...laughing
  17. Nehist 3 March 2020 16: 41 New
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    So one of them has already been buried. The minimum wage is equal to the cost of living. All extinguish the light, drain the water. This amendment alone is enough that I am against
  18. Whalebone 3 March 2020 19: 56 New
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    What's so bad about that? Skoko earned, so much and a minimum. One has 9500 rubles, the other has millions. To each his own minimum laughing
  19. Old Michael 3 March 2020 23: 31 New
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    Nyrobsky:
    most likely the newsletter will have one question - Do you support amendments to the Constitution?

    Moreover, representatives of the AP, Federation Council and the State Duma have already spoken about this - it will be so.
    Remember the joke about two questions put by Stalin on the agenda: 1) To shoot the Supreme Council; 2) Paint the mausoleum green?
    Even before the amendments are adopted, their number will be halved, and even quarter. The mass media will be shaken by amendments about God and the Russian people, but about, for example, lifelong indulgence - no, no!
    What do you think, what proportion of voters represents what they vote for?
    And further. And what will happen if the voting result is unexpected?
    (Well it is, a thought experiment)
  20. vadimtt 4 March 2020 16: 29 New
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    For me, it will be unexpected to vote on each item separately laughing
  21. Xnumx vis 3 March 2020 12: 49 New
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    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    Well, so do not go to the rest with your superstitions. I, too, did not authorize anyone, there is something for me and my children to decide. So there are so many of us here.

    Glory to the CPSU! Hooray comrades! Feel free to keep up with your comrades! .... Personally, I’m tired of keeping up with the Gorbachevs and other members ... of the CPSU .. In the army this is understandable, but in life you should leave behind walking!
  22. Gardamir 3 March 2020 18: 59 New
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    You offer the Law of the Jungle.
  23. Xnumx vis 3 March 2020 20: 55 New
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    Quote: Gardamir
    You offer the Law of the Jungle.

    I suggest not imposing your opinion on another person. If I do not like brunettes am and you love love , this does not mean that everyone should love brunettes! drinks Not everything should be monotonous !! crying The law of the jungle was in the "funny" nineties. wassat
  24. Gardamir 3 March 2020 22: 25 New
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    The law of the jungle was in the "funny" nineties
    Liberalism is the law of the jungle. All these rights and freedoms, when everyone is for himself. I have the right, and do not care about the rest.
  25. Xnumx vis 4 March 2020 08: 27 New
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    Quote: Gardamir
    The law of the jungle was in the "funny" nineties
    Liberalism is the law of the jungle. All these rights and freedoms, when everyone is for himself. I have the right, and do not care about the rest.

    But under developed socialism, they loved to lead a person’s life, right down to the point of making love with his wife! And God forbid you do not fit into the rules! They will call you at the desk. meeting and begin to advise how and how many times. warn for the first time, punish for the second time (premium, apartment, kindergarten, car queue) You will not obey, you do not live according to the rules of the builder of communism .. In the best case, you will be sent to Durka, at worst for re-education in the zone. .I, of course, a little exaggerate the process ... But the essence is the same .. And then all these teachers of the "right" life, according to the code of the builder of communism, betrayed us and grabbed the "people's" property, and now they live as they like and where they like ... But the people they always did not care! Careerists and zadoliz! And we are rubbish, dirt for them ... And therefore, immoral liberalism is more honest than lying socialism that cares about your "morality".
  26. nickname7 6 March 2020 14: 16 New
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    That’s why immoral liberalism is more honest than the lying socialism that cares about your “morality”

    You don’t know anything about liberalism, the concrete embodiment of which is implemented in the states, so -
    -A mandatory dress code of their own in corporations, schools, corporate ethics.
    - Mandatory adherence to a set of rules in school, otherwise not build a career, behavior is
    determining for the further career of an individual.
    - accumulation of reputation and personality portfolio
    -credit history
    It can be concluded that a complex society requires a control system, and complete freedom is possible among animals.
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    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    Well, so do not go to the rest with your superstitions. I, too, did not authorize anyone, there is something for me and my children to decide. So there are so many of us here.

    I see you all yourself here as some kind of kings imagined? Authorize or not someone. Where are you most? In which place?
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    Quote: CSKA
    Where are you most? In which place?

    Here, in this thread. laughing
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  30. Arlen 3 March 2020 12: 14 New
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    I support Alexander Suvorov. He is right. Russia is a secular state. "Caesar is Caesar's, but God’s God." If people believe in God, they go to the temple, read the Bible, the Qur'an and other religious books and prayers, rather than read the constitution.
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    ,, If people believe in God, they go to the temple, read the Bible, the Quran and other religious books and prayers, and do not read the constitution. ,,

    People without your advice will figure out what to read and not to read.
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    Quote: Nick Russ
    People without your advice will figure out what to read and not to read.

    Where did you see in my commentary advice to people what to read and why not to read? Or do you have special eyesight, to see that which is not?
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    I apologize. This is not advice, but a statement. That is, you know for others what to do.
    That's better? wink
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  36. Yngvar 3 March 2020 12: 45 New
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    I agree with you! Practice shows that any "improvements", innovations in laws (including now in the Constitution) only lead to an increase in tax and other burdens on the country's population! Prepare the base for a new tax ... on God?
  37. Honest Citizen 3 March 2020 12: 55 New
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    Prepare the base for a new tax ... on God?

    Just as yesterday there was a proposal to introduce a tax on the maintenance of a dog house. So I won’t be surprised.
    There will also be a tax on air, depending on the volume of the lungs. Those. progressive.
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    Quote: Honest Citizen
    Just as yesterday there was a proposal to introduce a tax on the maintenance of a dog house. So I won’t be surprised.

    When you leave the entrance in the spring and you have to go to any destination along the sidewalks with dog excrement that has accumulated over the winter, you must not only introduce a tax on dogs, you must also legalize the obligatory ritual spring beating of dog owners under the supervision of doctors and police, which to drive into their heads the culture of keeping four-legged friends. I don’t blame the dogs, they just got such owners.
  39. Honest Citizen 3 March 2020 15: 00 New
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    By the way, an example from Spain.
    A policeman can easily approach a person who is walking a dog and ask them to present items for cleaning dog excrement. If they are not there - a fine.
    Here I completely agree with you.
    But introducing a tax is too much.
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    Quote: Honest Citizen
    Here I completely agree with you.
    But introducing a tax is too much.

    This is debatable, at least a topic for discussion. Today, a billion rubles is spent on the maintenance of dog kennels for four-legged vagrants from the budgets of the republics and regions. The source of replenishment of the ranks of “vagrants” are citizens who treat the maintenance of their dogs mildly, filthy and irresponsible, so why not part of the budget costs for overexposure and sterilization of tailed dogs, who should blame those who are responsible for their situation?
    And the Spanish experience must be implemented with us! Perfect solution!
  41. 2 Level Advisor 4 March 2020 08: 18 New
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    and if they paid the tax, you will be more pleasant to walk on the sidewalks the same crap, Dmitry?) Well, yes ... so that at least they would not crap on the sidewalks, I would support a fine for such owners ..
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    and if they paid the tax, would you prefer to walk on the sidewalks with the same crap, Dmitry?)
    You see, Nikolay, the question is not whether it is more pleasant or not more pleasant, but that it will be fairer, and in the long run it will reduce the number of spontaneous dog lovers, like today, "got up" took the dog, and after a week "got bored" and threw the dog out into the street. This tax burden and the introduction of fines for violation of walking rules will lead the dog lovers to understand that in addition to the pet, they take on some responsibility, as a result, there will be less shit and stray dogs on the streets.
  43. Victor N 3 March 2020 18: 11 New
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    Almost all childless keep dogs and cats (observations).
  44. Tank hard 3 March 2020 22: 08 New
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    Quote: Nyrobsky
    When you leave the doorway in the spring and you have to go to any destination along the sidewalks with dog excrement that has accumulated throughout the winter, you must not only introduce a tax on dogs, you must also legalize the obligatory ritual spring beating of dog owners under the supervision of doctors and police, which to drive into their heads the culture of keeping four-legged friends

    Dog excrement is 100% processed by nature, unlike cigarette butts that dot the same points ... It's not about the dogs and their owners, it's about the general culture and upbringing. You do not smoke? wink
  45. Nyrobsky 3 March 2020 23: 23 New
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    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    When you leave the doorway in the spring and you have to go to any destination along the sidewalks with dog excrement that has accumulated throughout the winter, you must not only introduce a tax on dogs, you must also legalize the obligatory ritual spring beating of dog owners under the supervision of doctors and police, which to drive into their heads the culture of keeping four-legged friends

    Dog excrement is 100% processed by nature, unlike cigarette butts that dot the same spots ... Do you not smoke? wink
    I smoke like a shoemaker. But on the balcony and in the kitchen under my cigarette butts there are two cans of coffee, which, as they fill up, I pour into a bag and throw them into the garbage chute. I try not to smoke on the go. While fishing, I also store the "dead" cigarette filters in a bag, where packages of cheese and sausages, containers from bloodworms and maggots are added, which are transported to the nearest ballot box. On the hunt, garbage is burned in a fire. Dogs (huskies Russian-Europeans + 1 wolf dog) kept their entire conscious lives, with the exception of the last 7 years, when I moved from the North to the center of Russia, but I had them in open-air cages and were not involved in walking in the village. The exit was always on a leash, to the forest (1,5 km), after which free will. Now without them. I miss you. But looking at what is going on in terms of keeping and walking pets in cities claiming to be the "pearls" of the Golden Ring of Russia, I regret to note that with the advent of spring these cities obviously do not get to the "gold", all around is one dog shit.
    Quote: Tank Hard
    It's not about the dogs and their owners, business in general culture and education.
    So I'm talking about the same ....
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    it’s necessary not only to introduce a tax on dogs, but also to legalize the obligatory ritual-spring beating of dog owners under the supervision of doctors and police, to drive into their heads the culture of keeping four-legged friends. I don’t blame the dogs, they just got such owners.
    hi
  46. Tank hard 3 March 2020 23: 29 New
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    I smoke like a shoemaker.

    16 years as threw. Now I don’t understand why I smoked? hi
  47. Nyrobsky 4 March 2020 00: 03 New
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    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    I smoke like a shoemaker.

    16 years as threw. Now I don’t understand why I smoked? hi

    I have been working as a smoker for 41 years, now I have a cough and am also inclined to think about starting this business. Maybe someday, like you, I will ask the question, who smoked for so many years? hi
  48. Whalebone 4 March 2020 10: 38 New
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    The same story. Children’s illnesses (and smoking is a child’s illness) must be ill in childhood. After reaching 30 years, smoking is no longer necessary, and I smoked for 20 years,. Not only that, at least I smoked a car (2 bucks a day x7300 days = $ 14600), so how much harm to my health I did if I coughed for another 2 years after quitting.
  49. asv363 3 March 2020 15: 35 New
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    Quote: Honest Citizen
    Just as yesterday there was a proposal to introduce a tax on the maintenance of a dog house. So I won’t be surprised.

    TV shows "Dom-2"?
  50. Malyuta 3 March 2020 16: 04 New
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    Quote: Honest Citizen
    There will also be a tax on air, depending on the volume of the lungs. Those. progressive.

    There is still a need to think about the coefficients, introduce increases for warm air, clean air and canned air. again, air humidity must be taken into account.
    But I suggest that the government introduce an excise tax on atmospheric pressure. Easy to administer and assemble. Everyone is already paying here!
  51. 2 Level Advisor 4 March 2020 08: 14 New
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    the air is already there, an environmental charge is called ..
  52. Fan-fan 3 March 2020 14: 14 New
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    No, they’ll just put all the priests on state security.
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    Quote: Yngvar
    Prepare the base for a new tax ... on God?

    And then to allocate church money to fight extreme sports from the budget (Samara obd.)
    https://63.ru/text/culture/69013063/
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    Quote: for
    And then allocate money to the church to fight extreme sports from the budget (Samara Obd.) Https://63.ru/text/culture/69013063/

    Money is already allocated and confidently mastered, and military bands in action!
  55. Victor N 3 March 2020 18: 07 New
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    They would take care of their own well-being with righteous works - without this, under any Constitution, there would be no good.
  56. Tatyana 3 March 2020 12: 57 New
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    Dragging God into the Constitution signifies the merger of the Church with the state and the subsequent disintegration of the country on religious and national grounds.
    This is essentially the implementation of the ROC from under the floor of Putin and Cyril, but the implementation of the content of the plans of the Harvard and Houston projects of the West to divide the USSR / RF.
    Moreover, the presidents of Russia will not have any criminal responsibility for the collapse of the country - even after their resignation!
    All the presidents of the country - Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin and the presidents of the national titular administrative-territorial formations will never and for nothing be held accountable to the people in criminal terms even after their resignation. They are UNMILLERS !!!

    Personally, I DO NOT NEED such a Constitution of the Russian Federation!
    I will vote AGAIN!
  57. CSKA 3 March 2020 15: 25 New
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    Quote: Tatiana
    Dragging God into the Constitution signifies the merger of the Church with the state and the subsequent disintegration of the country on religious and national grounds.
    This is essentially the implementation of the ROC from under the floor of Putin and Cyril, but the implementation of the content of the plans of the Harvard and Houston projects of the West to divide the USSR / RF.

    ))))) Well, it all started. They stomped on conspiracy theories
    Quote: Tatiana
    and the presidents of the national titular administrative-territorial entities will never and for nothing be held accountable to the people in criminal terms even after their resignation.

    No one is going to write anything about the presidents of territorial entities.
  58. Tatyana 3 March 2020 20: 27 New
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    No one is going to write anything about the presidents of territorial entities.

    They themselves will bring this into their constitutions of the titular national administrative-territorial entities. You can not doubt it!

    The 1993 Constitution of the Russian Federation was written by American special services from the US Democratic Party. And the US Democratic Party is a party representing the interests of various kinds of minorities and their domination over the majority in the country.
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    Quote: Tatiana
    representing the interests of various kinds of minorities and their domination over the majority in the country.

    These very minorities are the first opponents of God. I hope you are not one of them? You fight so fiercely against God in your posts ... repeat
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    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: Tatiana
    representing the interests of various kinds of minorities and their domination over the majority in the country.
    These very minorities are the first opponents of God. I hope you are not one of them? You fight so fiercely against God in your posts ... repeat

    Do not translate the issues of the dominance of the national-chauvinistic policy of national minorities in the Russian Federation over the state forming the Russian people in the USSR / RF in the national legal, religious and atheistic-secular plan only exclusively for the taboo interests of the LGBT community!
    Do not pretend demagogically that you do not understand what is at stake!

    As for the church in the West, now in the churches of Western religious denominations the same sex marriage is beautifully consecrated!
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    Quote: Tatiana
    the selfish interests of the LGBT community!

    One of the main interests of the LGBT community is the struggle against God. And those who engage in rebellion, and especially in public, are the first ally of the LGBT community. I thought you know ... repeat
  62. Tatyana 3 March 2020 22: 43 New
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    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: Tatiana
    the selfish interests of the LGBT community!

    One of the main interests of the LGBT community is the struggle against God. And those who engage in rebellion, and especially in public, are the first ally of the LGBT community. I thought you know ... repeat

    Something in the atheistic atheistic USSR of the LGBT community was not observed, and all sorts of sexual perversions and assemblies of perverts were prosecuted by law!

    So you don’t need to engage in religious propaganda and, in fact, engage in anti-Sovietism!
  63. Tank hard 3 March 2020 22: 50 New
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    Quote: Tatiana
    Something in the atheistic atheistic USSR of the LGBT community was not observed

    There was also no sex, unemployed, prostitution, and more ... laughing
    Quote: Tatiana
    and all sorts of sexual perversions and gatherings of perverts were prosecuted by law!

    But it was not bad.
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    Do not engage in anti-Sovietism!

    It is impossible to do what is not. request
  64. Tatyana 3 March 2020 22: 58 New
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    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: Tatiana
    Do not engage in anti-Sovietism!

    It is impossible to do what is not. request
    Why not? There is no anti-Sovietism in your head in relation to the Soviet historical past of our country - the USSR / RF?
    So I see through this church anti-Sovietism through your words!
  65. Tank hard 3 March 2020 23: 05 New
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    Is there no anti-Sovietism in your head in relation to memory in relation to the historical past of our country?

    There is no Soviet Union, there is no “anti-Sovietism." Then at least break the wall. request
    Quote: Tatiana
    So I see through him in your words!

    Can you through the wall? wink
  66. Tatyana 3 March 2020 23: 53 New
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    There is no Soviet Union, there is no “anti-Sovietism."

    This is called the "maydaung of the brain!"
    Tell about it by the maydans in Ukraine - they will warmly and sincerely support you! Ally will be there for Bandera.
  67. Tank hard 3 March 2020 23: 56 New
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    This is called the “brain maydaun”!

    What self-criticism. lol
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    As for the church in the West, now in the churches of Western religious denominations the same sex marriage is beautifully consecrated!

    And this is the result of the atheistic activity (and people like you, sympathizing). There is almost no church left ... repeat
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    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    will they decide something for me? I did not authorize them, like most people.

    Who are you, who would you ask permission to ask, and all the more with what kind of devil are you responsible for all the people? Who authorized you? You are no one calling you in any way to speak for all the people. But the referendum will show what the people are for.
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    If you personally want to fasten another collar in the form of the Russian Orthodox Church on your neck, then this is purely your problem.

    What clamp, in what? In what about the "God" in the Constitution mentioned? What kind of nonsense are you talking about ?!
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    What clamp, in what? In what about the "God" in the Constitution mentioned?

    And let's mention some more drumsticks, flying saucers and poltergeist: there will be no harm. But, as my grandson says, how cool!
    Let me remind you that the Constitution is the main legal document, and concepts that are not legally defined should not appear in it. But it can be used for persecution against those who do not believe in God. And for the merging of the state and the church.
  71. CSKA 5 March 2020 13: 47 New
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    Quote: astepanov
    And let's mention some more drumsticks, flying saucers and poltergeist: there will be no harm. But, as my grandson says, how cool!

    As soon as they refer to the term God, they will automatically fall under the category of God, but for now they fall into the categories of “fairy tales” and “fiction”. But you do not despair. Create your sect to worship poltergeist for example, you look and become an official denomination.
    Quote: astepanov
    But it can be used for persecution against those who do not believe in God, all this dregs

    No one contributes and does not intend to introduce into the constitution about some kind of persecution, especially on religious grounds. Just going to make the word "God." Do you seriously believe that after the constitution is introduced, Christians will go straight and begin to catch atheists and drive them to church or shoot them?
    In fact, everything is corny simple. Such as you are critics of everything and everything, you don’t know what to complain about. Well, at least somehow and in something it is necessary to blame the President.
  72. astepanov 5 March 2020 17: 47 New
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    Do you believe that God is mentioned for the sake of a red word? Aby blabber? If the mention of God has no legal consequences, then it is absolutely unnecessary. Just like poltergeist drummers, which are legally as vague as any Demiurge. But the fact of the matter is that there are no rams in the Duma and the government, and therefore it seems that there is some intention behind the mention of God, and what legal acts it will result in is unknown. Otherwise, why stick a risky point for the sake of which can cause (and is already causing) disagreement in society?
    Quote: CSKA
    Such as you are critics of everything and everything, you don’t know what to complain about. Well, at least somehow and in something it is necessary to blame the President.

    I have something to reproach the president with: the fact that working pensioners (including me) were frozen pensions, that they carried out an ugly pension reform, that health care and education are “optimized”, bringing to the pen, including that there are more and more billionaires and paupers, that the economy is stagnating for a year, and there’s no end to edge ...
    I advise you to master the grammar of the Russian language. "Zaganite", commas somewhere to lose ....
  73. CSKA 10 March 2020 15: 26 New
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    Quote: astepanov
    Do you believe that God is mentioned for the sake of a red word? Anyhow blabber?

    "The Russian Federation, united by a thousand-year history, preserving the memory of the ancestors who transmitted to us the ideals and faith in God, as well as the continuity of the development of the Russian state, recognizes the historically established state unity," the amendment says.
    Yes, for a beautiful word, as well as in the USA.
    Quote: astepanov
    If the mention of God has no legal consequences, then it is absolutely unnecessary.

    This is just your opinion.
    Quote: astepanov
    that there is some intention behind the mention of God, and what legal acts he will pour into is unknown.

    Well, what, let's have an example. Well, at least approximately. Again. Well, will they introduce a church tax or will they lead everyone to the church? And then some kind of uvs logic turns out to be childish. Write that oh how bad it is, and when asked why, write that you don’t know why, but it’s definitely bad.
    Quote: astepanov
    I have something to blame the president for: working pensioners

    “The motive of the government’s proposal is understandable. In the context of the financial crisis, it is necessary to help first of all those who need it the most, those whose only source of income is pension,” comments State Duma Deputy Chairman Andrei Isaev. “Working pensioners, in addition to pension, they have another source - salary. Therefore, it will be easier for them to cope with difficulties than non-working pensioners. "
    Quote: astepanov
    that they carried out an ugly pension reform,

    This is what she is so ugly?
    Quote: astepanov
    that healthcare and education are “optimizing”

    What are all of you clinging to this word? Stick it to everything and everything.
    Quote: astepanov
    bringing to the handle

    I have already written about education here alone, in fact, how many medals and in what sciences won. Do you think it brought to the handle? Also about health care. So many hospitals have already been built with modern equipment, but no, everything is not enough for you. If earlier some operations could be done only in the capital, now in almost every regional and regional center.
    Are you here to paint everything too?
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    that there are more and more billionaires and beggars

    The fact that there are more billionaires is not bad, but whether there are more beggars is a very big question. I have quite a lot of acquaintances who are sitting on the minimum, but in fact they get 5 to 10 times more in an envelope.
    Quote: astepanov
    that the economy is stagnating for a year, and there’s no end to edge ...

    What are you? There is no end and end to this trouble? That is, we have a growth of 1,3%, in the UK 1,7%, in France 1,4%, in Germany 0,6%. And nothing, people live normally, just like ours. But as the economy of Equatorial Guinea grew, that's just the standard of living of the population is not very. And we have stagnation of European countries, and they have growth in Africa. But I don’t envy such growth.
    Quote: astepanov
    I advise you to master the grammar of the Russian language. "Zaganite", commas somewhere to lose ....

    I also advise you not to give advice and stop whining, but at the same time stop all and blame the state for everything, otherwise no one should only state to the state.
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    Quote: CSKA
    Who are you, who would you ask permission to ask, and all the more with what kind of devil are you responsible for all the people?

    Alexander Suvorov is a citizen of the Russian Federation, as well as most registered users on the site. And he is not responsible for the whole people, he expresses his assumptions, and I believe that his assumptions are true. In my opinion, the majority of the people, just as he believes.
    Quote: CSKA
    But the referendum will show what the people

    A referendum where you must immediately vote for the entire package, and not point by point? laughing
    Quote: CSKA
    You are nobody and they’re calling you nothing

    Just do not provoke people, there are many provocateurs here without you.
    Counter question: Who are you?
  75. Tank hard 3 March 2020 22: 21 New
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    Quote: Arlen
    Alexander Suvorov is a citizen of the Russian Federation, as well as most registered users on the site

    Is not a fact! I didn’t see his passport ... request
  76. Arlen 4 March 2020 07: 19 New
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    Quote: Tank Hard
    I didn’t see his passport ...

    We also did not see your passport ...
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    We also did not see your passport

    Like your ... request
  78. Arlen 4 March 2020 07: 57 New
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    Judging by the answer, you are not a citizen of Russia. I am wrong?
  79. Tank hard 4 March 2020 07: 59 New
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    I am wrong?

    You are not right.
  80. Arlen 4 March 2020 08: 06 New
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    It is doubtful. But I take your word for it.
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    Quote: Arlen
    It is doubtful. But I take your word for it.

    And this is as you please. I don’t like to lie at all, but in life I had to. But not on the site and not in this case. Here I even uploaded my photo three times. request
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    Quote: Arlen
    And he is not responsible for the whole people, he expresses his assumptions

    And in your opinion:
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    will they decide something for me? I did not authorize them, like most people.

    This is not a statement for the whole people? And there are just no proposals, there is only constant criticism of everything and everything.
    Quote: Arlen
    that his assumptions are true

    ))) What and about what?
    Quote: Arlen
    In my opinion, the majority of the people, just as he believes.

    Of course, you have the right to have an opinion, but this does not mean that it is true. I can also say that most think the same way as I do, not like you and Suvorov. So is one of us right? These are all allegations only allegations. Everything will show the vote.
    Quote: Arlen
    A referendum where you must immediately vote for the entire package, and not point by point?

    And why should he be sure to be point by point? And if there were 1000 amendments, would you vote for months?
    Quote: Arlen
    Just do not provoke people, there are many provocateurs here without you.
    Counter question: Who are you?

    And I’m a person who, like you, has the right to an opinion, but at the same time I don’t make statements on behalf of the whole people, covering up my conclusions with the public.
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    Quote: CSKA
    Who are you, who would you ask permission to ask, and all the more with what kind of devil are you responsible for all the people?

    Here on the site, it is not uncommon for individuals with Soviet - Russian characters on the avatar and Russian names who are in Canada and waiting for Canadian citizenship (for example). So be calm. wink
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    this is a true remark ..
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    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Only God is different for everyone.

    Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. God is alone, religion is darkness. No one suggests appointing the Russian Orthodox Church as the only church that enjoys the exclusive right of transmitting wishes of parishioners to God.

    Not only because of the mention of God in the Constitution, do not vote for really pressing changes.

    I am for the fact that there would be no more than 10 amendments, with a separate vote on each item. For other amendments - in the working order, without a poll or with a poll, with simultaneous elections and no more than 10 at a time.

    Why does the president insist on our survey? For all of its amendments to take effect immediately after our approval.
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      Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. God is one
      Well, yes, Muslims will tell you: there is no God but Allah and Magomed is his prophet, what will they object to?
      Not only because of the mention of God in the Constitution, do not vote for really pressing changes.
      It is precisely that there is no need to vote, but rather it is necessary to vote against. If the vote were for each amendment separately, it would still be like democracy. And to vote in a package, for everything in bulk, thank you, the sick are dumb!
      You want to be deceived once again, it’s your right, but you don’t have to pull everyone together. There are those who think with their own heads.
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      Allah is just another name for God among Muslims. Allah, Sabaoth, Yahweh (Jehovah) is one and the same God, among Christians it is God the father as an integral part of the trinity.
    3. Tatanka Yotanka 3 March 2020 15: 58 New
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      Jesus said to him: I am the way and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father as soon as through Me.
      John 14: 6
      try to convince the Muslims
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      Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
      Jesus said to him: I am the way and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father as soon as through Me.
      John 14: 6
      try to convince the Muslims

      Muslims will answer you reasonably that this is all so, before the message to Muhammad, then a change occurred. repeat
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    Quote: Sergej1972
    it is the same God

    So. hi
  • CSKA 3 March 2020 15: 35 New
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    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    You want to be deceived again

    So what is the hype?
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    but you don’t have to pull everyone together

    So no one is pulled. Want to sit at home.
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    There are those who think with their own heads.

    Where is it here?))))) At VO? I’ll surprise you right now, but the opinion of people in HE is far from the opinion of the whole country, and opinions in HE itself are also very different.
  • Tank hard 3 March 2020 22: 26 New
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    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    Well, yes, Muslims will tell you: there is no God but Allah and Magomed is his prophet, what will they object to?

    You probably don’t know, but the god of Mohammed, also the god of Jesus and Moses, and Abraham. repeat
  • Freeman 3 March 2020 13: 14 New
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    Boris55 (Boris) Today, 11: 36
    Why does the president insist on our survey? For all of its amendments to take effect immediately after our approval.

    Boris, in your “posts” you often refer to the Constitution.
    What do you think, why are we being promoted precisely interview. for which neither the turnout threshold, nor the number of votes for the result, nor the legal consequences has been established (mandatory, optional, take into account).

    Although the Constitution provides for popular vote
    Art.135 p.3directly says -
    3. The Constitutional Assembly either confirms the immutability of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, or develops a draft new Constitution of the Russian Federation, which is adopted by the Constitutional Assembly by two-thirds of the total number of its members or put to the popular vote. When conducting a popular vote, the Constitution of the Russian Federation is considered adopted, if more than half of the voters who participated in the vote voted for it, provided that more than half of the voters participated in it.


    The introduction of articles about God (in our country the church is separate from the state) and the Council of State (a new body of state power, with undefined powers) are no longer “amendments”, but “changes” to the Constitution. IMHO
  • New Year day 3 March 2020 18: 49 New
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    Quote: Freeman
    Boris, in your “posts” you often refer to the Constitution.

    he loves this thing
    but when the constitution is violated ...
    Quote: Freeman
    popular vote is envisaged to amend the Constitution
    Art. 135 p. 3, bluntly says -

    Boris always evades the answer. It's time to get used to it
  • Victor N 3 March 2020 19: 09 New
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    And try on which amendments you don’t like, and which ones to your Western partners? The traditions of most nations are based on faith in God. And there is nothing wrong with the fact that we will fix respect for the traditions of our ancestors, on the contrary.
  • Spring fluff 5 March 2020 00: 36 New
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    What exactly are the traditions of the ancestors? In the last century, it was the USSR where they forcibly fought with faith. This is a tradition? Whose presidential integrity is this tradition? The Bolsheviks of the emperor shot together with his family
  • Ross xnumx 3 March 2020 13: 50 New
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    Quote: Boris55
    Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. God is alone, religion is darkness.

    Then answer, with what side into the political, legal and economic structure of the country, into relations between the state and the people, has it ripened to insert the concept of what no one on Earth can describe or imagine?
    It is enough to separate the “flies” from the “cutlets” and recognize the right of religion for everyone.
  • Victor N 3 March 2020 19: 16 New
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    Some do not believe in God, others do not smoke, still others do not drink, fourth do not like women - just a host of perverts! But you can and should be more tolerant, of course, within the framework of the moral standards of society. And we must remember that ALL modern moral standards are derived from religious.
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    Quote: Victor N
    Some do not believe in God, others do not smoke, still others do not drink, fourth do not like women - just a host of perverts! But you can and should be more tolerant, of course, within the framework of the moral standards of society. And we must remember that ALL modern moral standards are derived from religious.

    This is not a pseudo "tolerance" that you need to portray, but you need to be a legally competent citizen and understand that philosophical issues that are controversial for the whole society do not enter into a legal document, which is the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
    In this case, we are dealing not only with a change in the state structure of the country - in essence a coup d’etat, but in your person we have an agreement with religious extremism in the SECOND state, in which FEOLAISM is gaining strength.
  • Victor N 5 March 2020 10: 11 New
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    I do not observe absolutely any extremism. Find some consolation in FAITH - good. I consider the strengthening of the power vertical a necessary measure - evaluating what is happening, at least in the USA and China. Maybe you are in vain excited?
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    Quote: Boris55
    God is one

    And for me, not a single one. Therefore, it’s better to remember the saying: “don’t mention the name of the Lord in vain,” and everyone should remain in their own opinion, and only the really necessary changes should be made to the Basic Law.
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    religion is opium for the people.
  • Victor N 3 March 2020 19: 02 New
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    Legislative approval is sufficient to pass the amendments. A population survey is needed to determine readiness for change. And in order for everyone to think about how best to arrange the state and feel responsibility. And you should not overestimate your significance. Clever understands his personal responsibility and will vote, but unwise .....
  • Looking for 3 March 2020 19: 21 New
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    it was you who were taught in the parish school to write "no one" separately.
  • Mazuta 3 March 2020 19: 25 New
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    Boris55 (to Boris):
    Is God alone?
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    I am for the amendments to be less than ten, they were clearly and unequivocally voiced by all the central media and given at least six months for discussion
  • Sergej1972 3 March 2020 13: 41 New
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    Christians and Muslims, of which most among Russian believers believe in one God.
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    2. Tatanka Yotanka 3 March 2020 16: 02 New
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      how can one God make different laws for his children?
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      Here is no need to blaspheme!
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    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Why should I introduce this into the Constitution? Zadolbali priests already without soap in all not modest places to climb. Little Gundya dough it’s also necessary to creep into the Constitution. What about other religions? We will all enter into the Constitution or what?

    God first into the Constitution. Then, on the basis of the Constitution, the Law of God in schools.
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      So the "law of God" is already taught in schools. It may not yet be at all, but they are definitely already teaching. At least in the Cossack cadet schools, poor children were clogged with this.
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      Very similar to the call: "Forward to the past!" In tsarist Russia, there was no Constitution, but there was a law of God ... First, they transform "education", then science will be stretched through the law of God ...
  • Vyacheslav Viktorovich 3 March 2020 11: 47 New
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    I thought that these amendments as a political technology project appeared so that everyone would breathe a sigh of relief when they were not turned on, and go to vote with the thought, “Well, it could be worse, even if people are left alone and won't go into their heads through juristic documents". But GDP outplayed me as if by notes and turned them on in all seriousness. belay
  • dorz 3 March 2020 13: 23 New
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    Amendment text:

    The Russian Federation, united by a thousand-year history, preserving the memory of the ancestors who transmitted to us the ideals and faith in God, as well as the continuity in the development of the Russian state, recognizes the historically established state unity.

    In addition, the amendments include provisions on the Russian people as state-forming. Also among the amendments proposed by Putin - ban on alienation of Russian territories. The only exception is demarcation of borders.
    1. Vladivostok1969 3 March 2020 15: 43 New
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      In addition, the amendments include provisions on the Russian people as state-forming. Also among the amendments proposed by Putin is a ban on the alienation of Russian territories. The only exception is demarcation of borders.

      I hope you remember about Damansky? Who gave it to China? But demarcation is not an alienation? Putin needs amendments only to maintain power in the future.
      1. dorz 3 March 2020 15: 54 New
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        Interesting article "Why is all this necessary?"
        https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2872468.html
      2. Victor N 3 March 2020 19: 32 New
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        Nonsense. Demarcation is not an alienation, as the territory is only being established. Very troublesome business. In our area, several border signs were under many-meter sand. Disagreed with the Afghans "on concepts." As for Putin, he is not running. And the State Council, as an integrated governing body for such a large and complex country, with traditions of a rigid vertical, is needed.
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        The court needs an independent, not some ordinary advice
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      He is the master of his word ....
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    It’s strange, I’ve read it several times and still instead of “transmitting” it reads “betraying”
  • Private89 4 March 2020 17: 57 New
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    Temples in the cities are filled with gold and silver, which God does not need, and on the porch of the temples the beggars tremble, waiting in vain for a small copper coin to be thrust into their hands.
    - Mother (Maxim Gorky)
  • aleks26 3 March 2020 10: 57 New
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    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    God may be, only what relation does the ROC and the current government have to it?

    The Russian Orthodox Church appropriated and operates this brand; it does not make weak money. For the government, the church is another tool for influencing the population and is quite powerful. Actually, it can cool a society. And yet, yes, the church cannot be allowed to power, where it is torn. It will not end in good.
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      Quote: aleks26
      For the government - the church is another tool for influencing the population
      Do not forget that the secret of confession for the Russian Orthodox Church was almost always a little more than empty sound.
      1. carstorm 11 3 March 2020 12: 48 New
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        The norm presupposing the protection of the confidentiality of confession is contained in the legislation of many modern states, including the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Russian Law “On Freedom of Conscience and on Religious Associations”. Canonically, this tradition is not fixed.
        1. Vladimir_2U 3 March 2020 13: 00 New
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          Russian Law “On Freedom of Conscience and on Religious Associations”

          So now, after 70 years of state atheism! But was there such a law in Russia until 1917? But until 1905, approximately such laws were in effect, without stigmatizing, of course, the year after 1845, but nonetheless

          Article 190. Distraction from the faith: non-violent - exile up to 10 years, corporal punishment, stigmatization; violent - reference up to 15 years, corporal punishment, stigmatization.
          Article 191. Departure from faith - deprivation of rights for the time of deviation from faith.
          Article 192. If one of the parents of a non-Christian faith brings up children not in the Orthodox faith - divorce, exile to Siberia.
          Article 195. Seduction from Orthodoxy to another religion - exile, corporal punishment, correctional labor up to 2 years. Under forced coercion - exile to Siberia, corporal punishment.
          Article 196. Apostasy - a ban on contact with children, until returning to faith ..
          1. carstorm 11 3 March 2020 13: 39 New
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            Well, a few centuries ago, generally burned at the stake. it's just a story. life does not stand still. and a lot is changing. whether or not there was such a law 100 years ago this is not an indicator) especially as an example in order to focus on it now)
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            Well, there were mentions of God in the United States constitution already three hundred years ago, in modern times, then why drag it?
            Quote: carstorm 11
            there wasn’t such a law 100 years ago, it’s an indicator that would be oriented on this or something
            Direct analogy. )))
    2. Ross xnumx 3 March 2020 13: 53 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Do not forget that the secret of confession for the Russian Orthodox Church was almost always a little more than empty sound.

      Do not forget about the attitude of the church towards the emergence of steam locomotives, cars, planes and missiles and about today's interpretation of these things that are so necessary in human life.
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        Quote: ROSS 42
        church attitude
        I wouldn’t risk taking a steam locomotive now, I’m such obscurantist. )))
  • Victor N 3 March 2020 19: 36 New
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    No one is driving anyone to church. And society in this regard is sustainable. But Marxism has split so split!
  • sailor roman 3 March 2020 11: 39 New
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    The president has proposed an amendment to introduce into the Constitution of the Russian Federation a provision on the state-forming role of the Russian people, it will be emphasized at the constitutional level that Russia is primarily a state of the Russian people. Just do not talk about the ideology of the Russian people. Ideology is a system of views on the world and a person’s place in it. It gives people guidance in life, clarifying what is good and what is bad, and greatly affects their values. Religion, on the other hand, is a special case of ideology with an excess of mysticism. If everything is greatly simplified, then Buddhism, liberalism, socialism, Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Islam, etc. are all variations of various ideologies.
    1. Vladimir_2U 3 March 2020 11: 47 New
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      Quote: sailor Roman
      If everything is greatly simplified, then Buddhism, liberalism, socialism, Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Islam, etc. are all variations of various ideologies.
      Somehow it was greatly simplified, yet mysticism and socialism did not lie nearby, but for example, Nazism and mysticism were very close.
      1. sailor roman 3 March 2020 11: 57 New
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        I agree with your clarifications. Of course I simplified it, since a significant part of our readers do not like to read long comments.
    2. Tatyana 4 March 2020 11: 04 New
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      Quote: sailor Roman
      The president has proposed an amendment to introduce into the Constitution of the Russian Federation a provision on the state-forming role of the Russian people, it will be emphasized at the constitutional level that Russia is primarily a state of the Russian people. Just do not talk about the ideology of the Russian people. Ideology is a system of views on the world and a person’s place in it. It gives people guidance in life, clarifying what is good and what is bad, and greatly affects their values. Religion, on the other hand, is a special case of ideology with an excess of mysticism. If everything is greatly simplified, then Buddhism, liberalism, socialism, Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Islam, etc. are all variations of various ideologies.

      Politics is an expression of the economic interests of an individual, a group of individuals, a society, a people, a nation, political classes, professional and RELIGIOUS CORPORATIONS.
      And ideology is the philosophical and worldview rim of their politics.

      Religious denominations (churches) are extant business networks that provide religious and mystical services to the population, and they get richer when they are “protected” by the powers that be in states.
  • Malyuta 3 March 2020 10: 38 New
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    Quote: Stas157
    Who knows why they decided to talk the Constitution? And the confirmation of the existence of God in the fundamental law of a country that considers itself secular is generally beyond.

    Everything is fine, Stas, “Yes, Yes, No, Yes,” “Vote, or you will lose,” “Vote with your heart.” Only here you need to correct the Surprise Kinder, more creatively “Vote for handouts”, “Vote for the stabilizer” , "God Save the Tsar", "For the Children for the Milk", "For the Development of the Cooperative Movement" Water Resources "," For All Power to the State Council "," For Courage "," For Victory "," For a Nice Talk "," For Scientific works ”,“ For the protection of the whole environment ”, and also for“ March 8th, as the day of the Immaculate Conception ”!
  • Nicholas C. 3 March 2020 10: 39 New
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    For many proponents of secular values, amendments such as the mention of God can be seen as attempts to archaize the basic law of the country with all the ensuing consequences.
    A statement equal to bullshit.
    1. With God, Russia lived and developed for 1000 years, and without God in 70 it was thrown back to the borders of the beginning of the 17th century. Exactly this is the archaization of Russia.
    2. The United States mentioning God in the constitution does not interfere, like in many other countries, even the Presidents take the oath on the Bible and swear in the name of God. Although there are more Jews there than we have, both Muslims and Buddhists. So liberalism should be enough - it will be like in America.
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      Quote: Nikolay S.
      US mention of God in the constitution does not interfere

      You do not take into account that the US Constitution was adopted 230 years agowhen the level of education and piety was completely different.

      Quote: Nikolay S.
      With God, Russia lived and developed for 1000 years, and without God for 70 turned out to be discarded to the borders of the early 17th century.

      You are talking about the glorious times of the USSR so unflattering write? In vain. Most disagree with you!
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        Quote: Stas157
        You do not take into account that the US Constitution was adopted 230 years ago, when the level of education and piety was completely different.
        Yes. This is the oldest existing constitution. And the new Swiss constitution has been in force since 2000. Many countries have recently adopted an amended constitution. How to deal with this? The Swiss are also dark ignoramuses and live poorly?
        God, by the way, does not specify whose.
        Quote: Stas157
        write about the glorious times of the USSR so unflattering? In vain. Most disagree with you!
        Achievements of the USSR I do not question. Since you are a representative of the majority, then show me a map of Russia, on which it is not discarded to the borders of the beginning of the 17th century. Unfortunately, this is the main "achievement".
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          Quote: Nikolay S.
          And the new Swiss constitution has been in force since 2000. Many countries have recently adopted an amended constitution. How to deal with this? The Swiss are also dark ignoramuses and live poorly?

          Well, everything, after mentioning God in the Constitution, we will live like the Swiss! ... Or maybe all the same live according to the old Russian proverb: "Hope for God, but don’t blunder yourself!"?
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          Quote: Nikolay S.
          then show me a map of Russia, on which it is not dropped to the borders of the early 17th century. Unfortunately, this is the main "achievement"

          Now, specify whose hands this “achievement!” Are members of the CPSU? The members of which were silent at the collapse of the com. party and the USSR ..
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            Quote: 30 vis
            Quote: Nikolay S.
            then show me a map of Russia, on which it is not dropped to the borders of the early 17th century. Unfortunately, this is the main "achievement"

            Now, specify whose hands this “achievement!” Are members of the CPSU? The members of which were silent at the collapse of the com. party and the USSR ..

            You don’t need us to breed demagogy here!

            And the top of the Russian Orthodox Church betrayed Nicholas II, compromising the bourgeoisie by abandoning the monarchy in the country in favor of capitalism in the Republic of Ingushetia!
            Whose hands were these? Absolutely all Believers in the Republic of Ingushetia or only the "top" of the Russian Orthodox Church?
            1. Xnumx vis 4 March 2020 14: 54 New
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              You don’t need us to breed demagogy here!

              Since when has Truth become a demagogy !? You agitate, advertise Kom. Party . "Demagogy (dr. Greek δημαγωγία “leadership of the people”; “ingratiation of the people”) - a set of oratory and polemic techniques and means that allow you to mislead the audience and incline it to your side, using false theoretical reasoning based on logical errors (sophisms). Most often used to achieve political goals, in advertising and propaganda .... " I give examples of betrayal by this party of the people ... And who in the end is DEMAGOG?
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              Quote: 30 vis
              I give examples of betrayal by this party of the people ... And who in the end is DEMAGOG?
              You are the demagogue and anti-Soviet propagandist.
              You need to separate this - for the sake of truth - of ordinary communists from the treacherous Trotskyite persuasion and the bourgeois-revanchist degenerate party "elite"!
              And here you are eclectically - indiscriminately - throwing your dummy CRIVDU like a fan - promoting your anti-Soviet demagogy.

              Understand first who, whom, how, when, in what and why betrayed! Do not dump everything and everyone in one pile!
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              Quote: Tatiana
              anti-Soviet propagandist.
              You need to separate this - for the sake of truth - of ordinary communists from the treacherous Trotskyite persuasion and the bourgeois-revanchist degenerate party "elite"!

              ABOUT !! fellow what rhetoric! am anti-Soviet propagandist ... ahem ... How recognizable .... crying I wonder where the Soviet Union is. And under whose wise leadership was the country? Who was the honor and conscience of our country? why ordinary communists, like a rat after a rat-catcher under the fascinating pipe Gorbachev went silently into the abyss ??? So could only desks. contributions to pay and distribute the deficit! Such lack of will and passivity still surprises me ... How is it with Vysotsky ..-"There are no violent, and there are no leaders ..!" it turned out unfortunately ....
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              Quote: 30 vis
              why ordinary communists, like a rat after a rat-catcher under the fascinating pipe Gorbachev went silently into the abyss ??? So could only desks. contributions to pay and distribute the deficit! Such lack of will and passivity still amazes me ...

              If you personally stood expectantly during the "Gorbachevschina" and during the "Gaidar-Yeltsin" reforms with the shooting of the White House all the time on the sidelines and watched everything that was happening, like a wise monkey on a tree in an Indian fairy tale, this does not mean that everything the rest were just like you.
              You at least a little conscience and common sense borrow from someone - then you will not be surprised!

              Gorbachev is an ordinary American agent. • Jul 13 2013 year
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              Quote: Tatiana
              Gorbachev is an ordinary American agent.

              And the rest of the members applauding Gorbachev, also agents, or had no opinions of their own, were afraid to say a word against ... How is it Oh! Centralism ... At that time they completely killed the will of ordinary ordinary communists .. They were afraid to raise their heads ... Stalin's school!
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              Quote: 30 vis
              And the rest of the members applauding Gorbachev, also agents, or had no opinions of their own, were afraid to say a word against ... How is it Oh! Centralism ... At that time they completely killed the will of ordinary ordinary communists .. They were afraid to raise their heads ... Stalin's school!

              And what is the situation in the “party of power” now in the Russian Federation different? The same centralism and the liberal dictatorship of party power throughout the country!

              A party is a party for that, in order to maintain discipline in achieving the goals set "from above"! And then you have members of one party - these are fools, and members of another party - no - "freedom fighters"! Whose freedom?
  • cloud catcher 3 March 2020 11: 57 New
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    Amendments to the Constitution:
    - about god. The wording itself is not indicated, therefore the amendment is controversial and not very clear. If for the purpose of “the need to respect the memory of the ancestors who, with faith in God, gave us a great country” - this seems to be normal, although also not unambiguous;
    - The immunity of the president is also debatable. Each following scolds the previous one - this is the engine of the political process. If the head of state does something not according to the laws ... then why not shorten and add
    for what “cases” or inaction can impeachment (dismissal) be declared and which body or percentage of representatives of the legislative and judicial authorities is entitled to do and on what basis?
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    Quote: Stas157
    You do not take into account that the US Constitution was adopted 230 years ago, when the level of education and piety was completely different.


    It is not very clear what relation the level of education has to faith in God. On the contrary, scientists engaged in basic research say that the Universe could not be formed by chance and it has a Creator.
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      Still, most scientists do not consider God the creator of the universe, but quite the opposite. The fact is that ancient people could not explain many phenomena and things happening on earth, so they came up with an excuse about God, because it’s easier to explain everything and you don’t have to go anywhere, bring everything to God.
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        Quote: Fan-Fan
        The fact is that ancient people could not explain many phenomena and things happening on earth,


        Nothing changed. laughing
        No one can explain how a cell was formed, how live and dead matter are different, what is “dark energy”, how eukaryotes are formed from prokaryotic cells. From the point of view of modern science, all of the above cannot be explained.

        Well, so that everything is completely clear quote:
        “Let us evaluate the probability of the appearance of a concrete world with given properties against the background of all other possibilities. Let a set characterizing the number of fundamental characteristics of a certain materialistic spatio-temporal phenomenon consist of a elements (for example, according to modern concepts, our world consists of six quarks, six leptons and four interactions). In this case, it is important that a is just some finite number. It is natural to assume further that the set of all admissible characteristics of arbitrary materials of realist formations is a countable, infinite set, due to the fact that such characteristics seem to be rational or at least algebraic quantities, on the one hand, and on the other hand, are countable samples from the irrational.

        The power of such a set, equivalent to the power of the natural series of numbers, is usually denoted by Ao (Aleph-zero). Then the power of the set characterizing the number of all possible materialistic formations will be determined by the mapping of Ao onto a. The founder of set theory, George Cantor, showed that the power of such a set is characterized by the quantity aAo and is uncountable. It is equivalent to the power of the continuum. This, in general, is a natural result, since worlds are generated by the irrational essence of the universe. Therefore, the probability of a random occurrence of a world with given properties is inversely proportional to the power of the continuum, i.e. identically equal to zero. "

        I.N. Ostretsov, Doctor of Technical Sciences, professor, nuclear scientist "Introduction to the philosophy of non-violent development"
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          I can also provide you with the statements of scientists:
          Leonard Susskind - Professor of Theoretical Physics at Stanford :
          “I do not believe that the Universe was purposefully created by a certain absolute. I believe that she appeared for the same reasons as a person. Of course, before Darwin, everything looked as if the creator had created man. This is a completely natural thought: only an entity of even greater complexity - something incomprehensible and absolutely beautiful - can construct such a complex organism and brain. However, then a much more prosaic explanation was found for this - a person, as it turned out, appeared as a result of a random mutation that occurred only due to a change in the chemical composition of the atmosphere. Some species turned out to be more successful, some - not very, someone survived, someone - not. So, in fairness, a person was created by another trinity - chance, statistics and the laws of physics. I think that about the same thing can be said about the Universe. ”
          Robert Colman Richardson - Nobel Laureate in Physics :
          “I do not believe in some kind of anthropomorphic God who somehow miraculously created the Universe. As for life after death, all I can say about this: “It would be great!” But I have no reason to think that it exists. ”
          Peter Atkins - Professor of Chemistry at Oxford :
          “I think theology is fighting phantoms. Theologians invented an amazing thing - this almost self-sufficient discipline, which does not intersect with physical reality. They composed a variety of theories and mental constructions, with the help of which they tried for a long time to guide humanity on the true path. One of these theories is about divine purpose. Theologians argue that there is a certain predetermination, which science is not able to explain. This is a typical theological concept. They do not respect - and therefore underestimate - the power of human intelligence. They constantly repeat this simultaneously naive and disarming “argument” about the mysterious ways of the Lord, which in no case can be questioned. These are beautiful words, but they are meaningless. For what reason, one wonders, should everything in the world have its own purpose and purpose? ”
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          I brought you specific facts. You can refute the argument of Ostretsov only with the same counter-argument. Or you can refer to a document explaining the emergence of a cell from amino acids, for example. wink
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          Quote: Arkon
          You can refute the argument of Ostretsov only with the same counter-argument. Or you can refer to a document explaining the emergence of a cell from amino acids, for example.

          Ostretsov is just a nuclear physicist, and in philosophy he is not a philosopher-scientist, but just a mediocre metaphysician-materialist.
          Since Ostretsov is a metaphysician, that is why Ostretsov, like all metaphysicians, falls in his philosophical worldview to idealism in the form of either Hegel’s “Absolute Idea” or in the form of some “intangible Creator”. With such "success", Ostretsov will come down to theism.
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          Quote: Tatiana
          Ostretsov is a nuclear physicist, and in philosophy he is not a philosopher-scientist, but just a mediocre metaphysician.


          So I say that the existence of the Creator is now confirmed precisely by natural-scientific, and by no means philosophical disciplines.
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          Quote: Arkon
          Quote: Tatiana
          Ostretsov is a nuclear physicist, and in philosophy he is not a philosopher-scientist, but just a mediocre metaphysician.
          So I say that the existence of the Creator is now confirmed precisely by natural-scientific, and by no means philosophical disciplines.

          You have a strange understanding about the existence of God.
          You just speculate on the achievements of scientific materialismwishful thinking and thereby support church business religious denominations for the sale of mythical services to the population. As a result, the church oligarchy of a religious corporation under the exploiting system inevitably merges its interests of class enrichment with the interests of the secular oligarchy, and as a result, the church merges with the state under the exploiting social system.
          The Russian Federation in this regard is already halfway to this merger of church and state -
          it’s almost merged already in content, the authorities only have to legally formalize this merger
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          You are simply speculating on the achievements of scientific materialism, giving out wishful thinking


          Scientific materialism is also a philosophical trend. I’m talking about the data of the natural sciences: physics, mathematics, biology (specifically, its parts - cytology). Well, no one bothers you to refute my "speculation" simply by pointing out false facts. smile
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          Quote: Arkon
          Scientific materialism is also a philosophical trend. I’m talking about the data of the natural sciences: physics, mathematics, biology (specifically, its parts - cytology). Well, no one bothers you to refute my "speculation" simply by pointing out false facts.

          Scientific materialism is based on experimental practical evidence of the knowledge of the truth and follows from a methodological analysis and synthesis of the practical results of the scientists themselves! And where does God like otherworldly power ?!
          To affirm the existence of God is a field for cunning manipulators regarding the mass of people who are illiterate and naive, whom they rip off and will rip off like sticky!
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          And where does God like otherworldly power ?!

          laughing
          Well, how can I explain it to you ... Just because without assuming the existence of the Creator as a conscious creative force, it is impossible to explain the mass of facts obtained by modern science. Some of them (extremely small, just scanty) I cited in my comments above.
          You are now holding on to your "atheism" like a straw without which your world will collapse. But it will collapse already - the sooner you open your eyes and accept the facts, the more part of your life you will live sighted. smile
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          Quote: Arkon
          You are now holding on to your "atheism" like a straw without which your world will collapse. But it will collapse already - just open your eyes and accept the facts.

          This is your world will stall and collapse without God! And mine is not.
          My world establishes objective, not subjective causal relationships and indicates the direction where you need to move objectively to achieve your goals.
          And your world of a believer in God makes you passively hope in expectation of a "heavenly office" and self-proclaimed mediators between an imaginary god and you - clergy. Moreover, for the most part, clergy themselves have long since not believed in God secretly. Hedonism flourishes in the churches - the pursuit of personal and corporate-church enrichment.
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    Do not look. You will not find. The paradox is that a conscientious researcher is simply "forced" to acknowledge the existence of the Creator. Thus, it’s just right to speak not about “faith in God” - the version of “being of God” has long turned into a strong theory - but about irrational faith in the “absence of God." smile
  • Fan-fan 3 March 2020 18: 54 New
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    And I didn’t have to search much, the Internet is full of data, for example, a cell from amino acids:
    “Life on our planet was born 4 billion years ago. It turned out that amino acids were randomly formed from a mixture of chemicals that filled the water bodies of the young Earth, of which protein compounds, and then more complex nucleic acids. It was then that the first common ancestor was born all living creatures.It was one single cell, the genetic code of which included several hundred genes.This cell had everything necessary for life and further development: the mechanisms responsible for the synthesis of proteins, roduction of genetic information, and production of ribonucleic acid (RNA) which is also responsible for the genetic encoding of data.
    The possibility of the formation of amino acids from a mixture of chemical elements was proved as a result of the Miller-Yuri experiment, which Gazeta.Ru talked about several years ago. In the course of the experiment, Stanley Miller simulated the atmospheric conditions of the Earth in test tubes about 4 billion years ago, filling them with a mixture of gases - methane, ammonia, carbon and carbon monoxide - adding water there and passing an electric current through the tubes, which was supposed to produce the effect of lightning discharges. As a result of the interaction of chemicals, Miller received five amino acids in test tubes - the main building blocks of all proteins.
    "
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    and then more complex nucleic acids. It was then that the first common ancestor of all living things was born.


    You are joking? Do you have such an idea of ​​evidence? This, you know, is about how to say: once metal ores appeared on Earth, prototypes of complex polymers, which, subsequently, gave rise to the first missile systems. To make it clear: a cell is much more complicated than a rocket.
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    Just think it over. The second law of thermodynamics suggests that in a closed system, entropy will always increase over time. This, in turn, means that any accidental formation of amino acids in the next step will have their decay. And no other way.
    Here are a few about proteins (the next stage in the development of life):
    L-proteins.


    Let us consider in more detail the reasons why protein formation according to the scenario of the theory of evolution is impossible. For the formation of a protein molecule of a living organism, just the correct combination of the corresponding amino acids is not enough. Each of the twenty amino acids contained in the molecule should only be L-shaped. Chemically identical amino acids are divided into two types: L-amino acid and D-amino acid, i.e. the difference in the opposite arrangement of tertiary structures. Like the right and left hand of a man ...

    Amino acids of these two species can freely connect with each other. However, studies have shown an amazing result. Proteins of living organisms, from the simplest to the most complex, contain only L-amino acids, and the intervention of at least one D-amino acid makes it unsuitable. Experiments with bacteria have shown that D-amino acids are immediately cleaved by them, and in some cases, bacteria turn them into suitable L-amino acids. Imagine for some time that living organisms formed by chance, according to evolutionists. In this case, L- and D-amino acids should be formed in equal amounts. Therefore, these amino acids must be contained in a random amount in the structure of a living organism, since they are chemically capable of interacting with each other. Meanwhile, the proteins of living organisms consist only of L-amino acids. However, evolutionists have not been able to explain such a precise and specific selection. And this specificity of the protein leads to an even greater impasse, the “statement of chance." As explained above, for the formation of a useful protein, it is not enough just to have a certain amount of amino acids, an ideal sequence and a tertiary structure. At the same time, these amino acids must be L-shaped, and the presence of a D-amino acid is unacceptable. Since there is no natural mechanism in the protein structure that separates D-amino acids from L-amino acids, it is very important to prevent the intervention of D-amino acids, and this fact eliminates the concept of randomness. This case is explained in Britannic's scientific encyclopedia:

    “All types of amino acids contained in all living organisms on Earth have the same asymmetry, that is, almost always in L-form. This is reminiscent of a coin flipped millions of times, but constantly falling out by an eagle and only occasionally by tails. It is not clear how, but this selection is connected with the source of life on Earth. ”101 And if the coin constantly falls by the eagle, then what will be more logical: explain this by chance or see someone's conscious role in this? The answer is clear. But evolutionists, only because of their reluctance to acknowledge "conscious interference," continue to affirm the principle of chance. The example with L-amino acids also applies to nucleotides, i.e. the foundation of DNA and RNA. In complete contrast to the amino acids of living organisms, they consist only of D-amino acids. And this situation is inexplicable by accident. As a result, all studies reject the randomness of the origin of the source of life. If we calculate the probability of the formation of a protein, consisting of 400 amino acids, from only D-amino acids, then we get a probability of 1 versus 10120. To have an idea of ​​this astronomical figure, we must say that the number of all electrons on the planet is 1079. And the probability of that amino acids combine in the necessary sequence and create a functional structure, gives rise to incredible numbers. If you apply the same method already for the formation of more complex types of proteins, then the numbers will be simply incomprehensible.


    And these are just squirrels. From them to a living cell as to the moon. Yes, what kind of moon is there - how to the center of the galaxy.
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    ... And this must be reflected in the Constitution!)))
  • Tatyana 5 March 2020 00: 22 New
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    Quote: Arkon
    It is not very clear what relation the level of education has to faith in God. On the contrary, scientists engaged in basic research say that the Universe could not be formed by chance and it has a Creator.

    I’m interested to know which of these scientists are you listening to? Who is it that inspires you?

    Listen better to the video series of 44 lessons of Nevzorov called "Lessons of Atheism"!
    Maybe something in your head about blind faith in God and about atheism will clarify something. Nevzorov studied at the seminary and knows the Russian Orthodox Church from the inside.

    Nevzorov. Church and science. Series 2.
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      Tatyana, take care of your mental health. I am not kidding.
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        Quote: Arkon
        Tatyana, take care of your mental health. I am not kidding.

        I am an expert. More than one polit-philosophical concept and reform programs passed through my hands for a scientific examination of internal logical consistency. With my reviews as a guide to action, I prevented their anti-popular adoption in the Russian Federation, including in school education.
        I don’t know what kind of education you have and how old you are, but in some ways you have not learned the knowledge of the methodology of the sciences themselves. From here you have a commitment to the "Creator" instead of an active and objective knowledge of the world. I'm sorry that this is so observed in you.

        And the videos that I choose for my comments represent their particular objective value. What do I give them in sparing mode for the pride of the participants. At the same time, the names of the authors of the video do not bother me. It is important for me and I value what they say.

        So you definitely don’t need to worry about my state of mind!
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    Quote: Nikolay S.
    ... but without God for 70 she was thrown back to the borders of the beginning of the 17th century

    At the same time, having received industry, medicine, education and other joys, due to which we still survive. Would you read a history book or something.

    Quote: Nikolay S.
    US mention of God in the constitution does not interfere

    But can not we, for the sake of diversity, fit America into something else more useful to society?
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    Nikolay S. (Nikolay)
    1. With God, Russia lived and developed for 1000 years,
    Yeah, it developed so much that it fell apart due to bone and backwardness. Not without the help of the priests fell apart by the way.
    and without God for 70 she was thrown back to the borders of the beginning of the 17th century.
    What are you? And who flew into space first? And who lagged behind the advanced powers in 50-100 years over two five-year periods? And who won the worst war? Really priests?
    2. The United States mentioning God in the constitution does not interfere, like in many other countries, even the Presidents take the oath on the Bible and swear in the name of God.
    And also with the name of the same God they bring "democracy" and destruction throughout the world.
    So liberal
    Which ones will you be from?
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    Quote: Nikolay S.
    The United States mentioning God in the constitution does not interfere, like in many other countries, even the Presidents take the oath on the Bible and swear in the name of God.

    Yeah, and then, with God's help and the name of God on their lips, they ruin the country, poison the people, kill thousands of innocent people. It is from their filing that such “values” as homosexuality, same-sex marriage, drug addiction, worship of the golden calf, etc., flourish. Yeah, as the Lord God bequeathed, in the very bible that the Americans swear on, and not just the president (sarcasm for those who are in the tank).
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    Nikolai S. (Nikolai) Today, 10: 39
    USA mention of God in the constitution does not interfere, like many other countries, there the Presidents even take the oath on the Bible and swear in the name of God.


    By that, mention of God, too - "did not interfere"
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    Quote: Nikolay S.
    With God, Russia lived and developed for 1000 years, and without God in 70 it was thrown back to the borders of the beginning of the 17th century.
    You are clearly out of your mind. They probably drank it. For centuries, Russia was a second-rate country on the eastern borders of Europe with a high level of corruption, poor infrastructure and an illiterate population. And in those very 70 years it has become a superpower.
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    24 pages of new amendments and God there too! It seems that they have decided to make everything in the Constitution! Accidentally, the rules of the SDA to make there no one suggested?

    Who knows why they decided to talk the Constitution?
    And confirmation of the existence of God in the basic law of a country that considers itself secular is generally beyond the bounds.

    especially after this laughing

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    And I, I’ll tell you, colleagues, why they are chattering the Constitution. Then, so that no one would pay attention to the amendment regarding the Central Bank. Krasheninnikov strongly declared that the Central Bank would not be nationalized. And at the same time, an amendment is introduced into the Constitution, giving the Central Bank legislative initiative. I remind you that the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is separated from the state and subordinate to the IMF, therefore, the US Federal Reserve. The people, who do not understand anything in finances, but who are interested in the annual indexation of pensions, will vote for amendments, and then not only the country's finances, but we will all be under the direct control of the IMF and the Federal Reserve of America. Consequently, as a colony of Western capital, we are finalized.
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      Krasheninnikov strongly stated that the Central Bank will not be nationalized

      Including therefore it is worth saying NO to constitutional amendments. We need to develop our own constitution based on our historical experience, and not amend the Constitution of Russia written by the Americans.
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        Your "No" does not bother anyone. Everything has already been calculated and directives to the governors have been lowered - 60 appearances, 70 - for. By participating in a booth, you help crooks do their job.
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          You are right in that they will be engaged in fraud in the voting, but in the fact that we do not need to vote you are wrong. Necessarily necessary, as this will complicate their task. But when the majority of the people "wakes up" and says no to these rulers, then the country will have a chance. It’s time to show them that the people are the masters in their own country, and not a bunch of usurpers. But they are fooling the people by all means, the media are on their side, there is mass propaganda. They are lucky that our people are apathetic and indifferent to everything.
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            There will be no observers interested in black counting. A TV picture with the appearance will be.
            Your opinion does not interest them. They need to show that people have come. And to count, they have already counted. Or do you seriously think that the result of the "amendment failed" is possible? These are cheaters, they charge each game for themselves in advance. Having sat at the table, you are already a sucker. Sorry.
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              And when we silently swallow everything that they feed us, this gives them a reason to consider us even bigger suckers and despise us even more.
              And in vain you think that there will be no observers, they will, but everywhere of course.
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              See - the very process of changing the constitution is written on the knee and is illegal. This is not a constitutional meeting or a referendum, where the turnout should be 50% + 1. Here, in general, do not care who and where to come and how many people will vote. But the more it comes, the more people agree with the procedure. So they draw legitimacy. But it is not and cannot be. The replacement of the constitution is in violation of the current one. This is a freaking circus. You can’t go there. I went, so I agreed that this can be done both with the constitution and with you.
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              And you count the administrative resource that will come and vote in the elections as it should. The army, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Russian Guard, the Ministry of Emergencies, officials and EdRo, will drive many state employees, the Foreign Ministry.
              After all, there is no bar for voting, this is not a referendum. These will vote “FOR”, but in order for these amendments not to come, everyone should come and say “NO” to this lawlessness that is happening.
              I strongly doubt that there will be a separate vote - most likely in one package. So you have to go to the polls and say "NO."
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      Quote: Whalebone
      Everything has already been calculated and directives to the governors have been lowered - 60 appearances, 70 - for.

      Do you have any evidence for this? Or all the information like "one friend said"?
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        I have information. I communicate with officials from the regional administration.
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          Quote: Whalebone
          I have information. I communicate with officials from the regional administration.
          Whalebone is right! I support him!
          I myself ran into a vote with fraud by members of the Electoral Commissions of the election results.
          For all voters who didn’t come to vote, the members of the election commission filled out the ballots and signed for them in the magazine for the appearance and issuance of ballots - as a rule, this was done by state employees and, first of all, by teachers from the schools where the polling stations were located.
          This is done half an hour before the end of the work of the polling station - and insolently.

          All voters need it go vote and vote "AGAINST" these fucking manipulative amendments! Though I don't like our constitution
          but in a new form it will be even worse for the people!
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    and therefore we will lose our Self! And with such amendments, not far from serfdom
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      Every citizen of the Russian Federation is obliged to join the EP, vote for Putin, take a mortgage and die a year before retirement. Die on time - do not strain their state!
  • brat07 4 March 2020 16: 55 New
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    Quote: depressant
    And I, I’ll tell you, colleagues, why they are chattering the Constitution. Then, so that no one would pay attention to the amendment regarding the Central Bank. Krasheninnikov strongly declared that the Central Bank would not be nationalized. And at the same time, an amendment is introduced into the Constitution, giving the Central Bank legislative initiative. I remind you that the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is separated from the state and subordinate to the IMF, therefore, the US Federal Reserve. The people, who do not understand anything in finances, but who are interested in the annual indexation of pensions, will vote for amendments, and then not only the country's finances, but we will all be under the direct control of the IMF and the Federal Reserve of America. Consequently, as a colony of Western capital, we are finalized.

    YEKATERINBURG, Jan 29 - RIA Novosti. A change in the status of the Central Bank when amending the Constitution will not lead to anything good, said on Wednesday at a meeting on amendments to the Basic Law, the head of the State Duma committee on state building and legislation, co-chair of the working group Pavel Krasheninnikov. "
    This is only his personal opinion.
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    Who knows why they decided to talk the Constitution?

    But who chatter - then? Nothing about the Central Bank, but the State Council is available! Everything is straightforward and frank! We look at what the Duma will propose; otherwise no other has been given. So far, these are just proposals, there will be a bunch of amendments, but if you take into account that edros are controlled by the authorities, there are no special changes IMHO.
  • Crystal of Truth 3 March 2020 11: 57 New
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    Yes, everyone knows .. That after 24 years Vova will not retire .. For this, there are half a page ..
    And the remaining 23 and a half so that the people would vote as they should
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    And confirmation of the existence of God in the basic law of a country that considers itself secular is generally beyond.

    I agree with you, especially since these amendments are proposed to the president of the secular state by the patriarch, that same person who is separate from the state. Here, as they say, you must either remove the cross or put on your underpants. And what about atheists and unbelievers? After making this amendment, these citizens of the Russian Federation automatically become criminals who violate the Basic Law. What to do with them? Deprive of citizenship, imprisonment, forcibly baptized and obligated to attend churches and mosques?
  • New Year day 3 March 2020 18: 44 New
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    It seems that they have decided to make everything in the Constitution!

    "if you want to hide, put it in the most prominent place." All amendments are wrappers of amendments to the State Council.
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    - 2 grilled meat patties, a special sauce of cheese, cucumbers, lettuce and onions, all on a bun with sesame seeds.
    - Is this also to be added to the Constitution?
    - Yes
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    Here, many do not even agree that state-forming Russian people . And you are for God and the State Testament .. What further to discuss. Someone even dragged pensions. This is an amendment to the Constitution :)
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      Here, many do not agree even with the fact that the Russian people are state-forming

      Who does not agree? I don’t know those!
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        Read the comments. Here's an example -
        Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
        On the first paragraph, "AT ALL", I do not agree !!!

        And such here in bulk. As well as those that dad / mom / child is across the throat.
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        Quote: Stas157
        Quote: seti
        Here, many do not agree even with the fact that the Russian people are state-forming

        Who does not agree? I don’t know those!

        Hi hi . Although Russian, I would not have included this item. Firstly, what does it change and what does this paragraph give? What rights or powers does the Russian people give? If not, then why? Or if only then the discussion would unfold, and the Tatars, for example, or the Bashkirs, after the Horde, are they like, state-forming or not? The Horde was before the Russian (Moscow) state, and many historians evaluate the Moscow state as the heir to the Horde. Disputes will definitely arise, who is the most important and state-forming in the country, and what will be the benefit?
        Further, about the mention of God. Generally delirium, delusional. Mentioned also what? What does it give? Well, let’s then mention a lot more that exists in the World or who believes in it. Well, for example, black holes can be mentioned in the constitution. They lie in the center of all galaxies, they are very important, and even in our country budget money disappears, just like in a black hole.
        It was correctly noted above that only traffic rules are still left there. The solyanka is continuous from many empty points, from which it is not clear what should follow, what are the legal and legislative consequences? In general, all these points, and fortunately many understand this, the network is nothing more than an information fog. He was called to cover up the illegal creation of the State Council, the redistribution of power and the fact that the current procedure for changing the Constitution is NOT legal. BY LAW, the procedure for amending the Constitution is different.

        PS But most of all "touches" cheating with the alleged voting for all in one package. There are only two possible answers to such a cloud, in many cases of delusional amendments: YES or NO.
        In this regard, to all supporters of the current amendment of the Constitution, I propose to answer as a test only one small set of questions: Do you love dad, mom, Hitler?
        Variants of answers: Yes or no.
        Good luck in the test, gentlemen. hi
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          Hi! hi
          Quote: Leshy1975
          Do you love dad, mom, Hitler?
          Answer Options: YES or NO.

          This is tin, of course. But, it is in such a fork manipulators they put people in power when they propose voting in favor of all amendments in droves.
        2. depressant 3 March 2020 11: 32 New
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          Goblin 1975, I need an amendment about the Russians. In order to feel that I’m not taking root in my own country, not an ephemeral entity that seems to exist, but no one sees it point blank, but a full-fledged citizen of their homeland. Throughout its territory. In any national republic. So that a Russian person, based on his real capabilities, achievements and abilities, could occupy any leading position in national territorial entities. The package of amendments causes my sharp rejection for another reason - the Central Bank, as reported above. Let them amend the nationalization of the Central Bank. Otherwise, all other amendments are air concussion, and the Constitution will be colonial after the adoption of the amendments.
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            Quote: depressant
            Goblin 1975, I need an amendment about the Russians. In order to feel that I’m not taking root in my own country, not an ephemeral entity, which, as it were, but no one sees her point blank, but a full-fledged citizen of their homeland. Throughout its territory.

            Lyudmila hi. For this we need not an entry in the Constitution, but another, much more social state, with a patriotic elite and equality before the law for all.
            Well, they made this amendment (about us Russians) in the Constitution and ...? And then what? The power is the same, the vector of movement of the country with this power is still the same - as a result, they get further, the rest of the population, including and the Russians continue to be poor. It is unlikely that in such conditions, you will feel like a mistress in the country and rejoice that the state has paid attention to you (if only of course, that you could still rummage around in your pockets). And here is an example from recent history:
            TASS DOSSIER. On October 3, 2017, Russian President Vladimir Putin appointed the interim duties of the head of the Republic of Dagestan, Vladimir Vasiliev, the vice speaker of the State Duma and the head of the United Russia parliamentary faction. At the head of the republic, he replaced Ramazan Abdulatipov, who led Dagestan since January 2013. For the first time since 1948, the first person in Dagestan will be a person who does not belong to any of the three largest national groups of the republic - Avars, Dargins, or Kumyks.

            Those. and now, without any changes to the Constitution, without any protrusion of nationality, anyone can be appointed head of even a national republic. Well, yes, Vasiliev is not Russian, but let him appoint a Russian, the law still does not interfere with this. There would be worthy candidates.
            As for the Central Bank, I myself can’t say anything, I didn’t understand this issue. But to your opinion, on this issue, completely trust.

            PS Your opinion on the Russian issue in the Constitution is understandable, I always treat you with respect. hi
            1. Whalebone 3 March 2020 19: 29 New
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              The most, Goblin, pleasant in this flame is a change in the consciousness of the participants. Three years ago, for such epithets, a million minuses and an eternal ban would immediately have flown to the GDP. And now citizens are gaining a civic position. No one in the Russian Federation spoils the authorities like she does. I am very pleased that self-awareness is growing and I believe that the movement of rallying is not far off. After all, the left can unite with the right for observing the law.
              1. Leshy1975 3 March 2020 19: 51 New
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                Quote: Whalebone
                The most, Goblin, pleasant in this flame is a change in the consciousness of the participants. Three years ago, for such epithets, a million minuses and an eternal ban would immediately have flown to the GDP. And now citizens are gaining a civic position. No one in the Russian Federation spoils the authorities like she does. I am very pleased that self-awareness is growing and I believe that the movement of rallying is not far off. After all, the left can unite with the right for observing the law.

                I fully agree with you. hi
              2. Arkon 4 March 2020 11: 48 New
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                GDP would immediately fly a million minuses and an eternal ban. And now citizens are gaining a civic position.


                Just citizens leave the VO site, looking at what it turns into. It makes no sense to fight for a site whose Russophobic orientation is maintained at the editorial level. hi
              3. Whalebone 5 March 2020 14: 49 New
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                Calling thieves thieves Russophobia has never been considered.
                "As you once wound up,
                So, apparently, it will be ahead:
                Although not everyone robs a patriot,
                But whatever a thief is a patriot. '
                It is written in the 19th century. Zhemchuzhnikov - I suppose, too, Russophobe?
              4. Arkon 5 March 2020 15: 08 New
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                Quote: Whalebone
                It is written in the 19th century. Zhemchuzhnikov - I suppose, too, Russophobe?


                This misanthrope. It hurt people did not like. That's why he did not get married. It is painfully sarcastic and nonliving. I agree, by the way, I forgot about misanthropes.
                At VO there was a touching union of Russophobes and misanthropes. And they agreed in hatred of today's Russia. smile
              5. Whalebone 7 March 2020 08: 19 New
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                Hatred of the occupation regime cannot be called Russophobia. Enlighten, maybe let go.
              6. Arkon 7 March 2020 09: 26 New
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                We, the overwhelming majority of Russian citizens, have chosen the current government in the All-Russian elections. And she, for the most part, lives up to our expectations. And you have to submit to our choice. It happens - the minority is obliged to obey the majority. And the minority, in this case, has a simple choice: either agree with the majority opinion and build a country together or enter into confrontation and become outcasts.
                The choice is yours.
  • snake 3 March 2020 12: 16 New
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    Quote: depressant
    I need an amendment about the Russians. In order to feel that I’m not taking root in my own country, not an ephemeral entity that seems to exist, but no one sees it point blank, but a full-fledged citizen of their homeland.

    Now let’s heal, of course! With the awareness of its state-forming role, even palm oil will taste better. Officials will also send, but already to "you" ...
  • Nikolay87 3 March 2020 11: 37 New
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    I, too, have lost my brain and am inclined to even go to the site and say NO.
  • lopvlad 3 March 2020 12: 01 New
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    Quote: Leshy1975
    I, although Russian, this item would not include


    you flatter yourself. The presence of a Russian surname does not automatically make anyone Russian.
    And judging by your inventions you are in no way non-Russian.
    1. Leshy1975 3 March 2020 12: 11 New
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      Quote: lopvlad
      Quote: Leshy1975
      I, although Russian, this item would not include


      you flatter yourself. The presence of a Russian surname does not automatically make anyone Russian.
      And judging by your inventions you are in no way non-Russian.

      I myself will decide, knowing my ancestors, who I am. Without you personally. Will you still indicate to me who I am by nationality. Maybe you’ll start measuring the skulls? So with me your number will not work. I have blond hair, gray eyes and Slavic features. My great-grandmother is from the Mogilev province (from small nobles, the surname Moroz is on the list of nobles of the Mogilev province), and my great-grandfather is from the Cossacks of the Voronezh province. Great-grandfather met his great-grandmother when he stood in their apartment during the WWII. You would be so worried about the Russians of Donbass as you were for me, he decides here who is Russian and who is not.

      PS Anyone who will poke my nationality at me and decide who I am will receive this kind of communication.
      1. lopvlad 6 March 2020 21: 01 New
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        Maybe you’ll start measuring the skulls? So with me your number will not work. I have blond hair, gray eyes and Slavic features.


        it’s you and people like you who are able and demand to measure the shape of the skull. And I'm talking about the Russian soul, the presence or absence of which does not depend on either nationality or pedigree.
    2. Spring fluff 5 March 2020 01: 22 New
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      ABOUT! It started! Surname is not a guarantee that you are Russian :) excellent. And what is the guarantee? Skull shape ?;) Whose traditions do you honor?
  • Sergej1972 3 March 2020 14: 04 New
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    "BY LAW, the procedure for amending the Constitution is different." Just for changing THESE sections of the Constitution no MANDATORY voting is required. A constitutional majority in both houses and support for the vast majority of legislative assemblies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation are required.
    1. Leshy1975 3 March 2020 14: 13 New
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      Quote: Sergej1972
      "BY LAW, the procedure for amending the Constitution is different." Just for changing THESE sections of the Constitution no MANDATORY voting is required. A constitutional majority in both houses and support for the vast majority of legislative assemblies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation are required.

      But what about the introduction of the State Council? Chapter 1 of the Constitution clearly lists ALL authorities of the Russian Federation. Which State Council is not there:
      Article 11
      1. State power in the Russian Federation is exercised President of the Russian Federation, Federal Assembly (Council of Federation and State Duma), Government of the Russian Federation, courts of the Russian Federation.

      And local governments are elected, not appointed by the president:
      Article 12
      In the Russian Federation, local government is recognized and guaranteed. Local self-government within its powers independently. Local government bodies are not included in the system of public authorities.

      A change of chapter 1 is possible only by convening the Constitutional Assembly.

      PS Study more closely the Constitution of Chapter 1 and the procedure for changing it. hi
      1. Fan-fan 3 March 2020 15: 05 New
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        But here, many people understand that all these amendments are "muddy" and I only hope for a new president, and if he is not from Putin's circle, then I think he will cancel all these amendments.
        1. Leshy1975 3 March 2020 15: 08 New
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          Quote: Fan-Fan
          But here, many people understand that all these amendments are "muddy" and I only hope for a new president, and if he is not from Putin's circle, then I think he will cancel all these amendments.

          Then it will be easier to write a new Constitution, which, in my opinion, will be more correct after such a pogrom and chaos in it. hi
        2. Whalebone 3 March 2020 19: 20 New
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          + but not only the new Constitution. 2/3 of the laws adopted by the State Duma over the past 10 years - in the furnace. The state will have to reformat.
        3. Svarog 3 March 2020 19: 50 New
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          Quote: Whalebone
          + but not only the new Constitution. 2/3 of the laws adopted by the State Duma over the past 10 years - in the furnace. The state will have to reformat.

          After these mediocrities, you really have to reformat everything .. heaped up .. and how much more heaped up ..
  • Sergej1972 3 March 2020 15: 14 New
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    And the first chapter is not supposed to make changes. The State Council will be prescribed in the ordinary law. This already testifies to the fact that it will not be the most paramount, but a coordinating and deliberative body.
    1. Leshy1975 3 March 2020 15: 25 New
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      Quote: Sergej1972
      And the first chapter is not supposed to make changes. The State Council will be prescribed in the ordinary law. This already testifies to the fact that it will not be the most paramount, but a coordinating and deliberative body.

      We have with the president, with the government, with the Defense Ministry, with the housing and communal services office, etc. there are community councils. And not one of them is said in the Constitution. Because, they don’t have any power whatsoever. And if the State Council, as you assure, is just
      coordinating body
      all the more so, in the Constitution he has nothing to do. And Mr. Putin, he is free to create and dissolve such an authority five, seven times a week. Without any mention of such a body in the Constitution. It can simply do it as a hobby, in the morning it creates, in the evening it dissolves or changes its composition. Until you play enough.
      So don't fool people, most are well aware that this is NOT legal. And I hope that for violation of the law, the organizers of the anti-constitutional coup will nevertheless be subsequently asked. Even without looking at any articles about immunity
      anyone there.
  • Whalebone 3 March 2020 18: 41 New
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    Plus a lot. About the sun rises in the East and the ban (permission to increase the turnout) for peasants to go to the women's bath. In the United States for nearly 250 years, 27 (twenty-seven) amendments. Type 1 in ten years practically. And here again - and hello.
  • snake 3 March 2020 11: 57 New
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    Quote: seti
    Here many do not even agree that the Russian people are state-forming.

    Then what? Will the Russian people now die out more slowly from the fact that they are "state-forming"? What will change in the life of the Russian people? Again these beautiful words without concrete deeds. From the fact that the Air Force became the airborne forces, we did not see space cruisers and space marines with blasters ... The Russian people - state-forming, Russian officials - did not ask the state to degenerate the speakers, and the "Russian" government - the state-plundering. We didn’t know this before?
  • Machito 3 March 2020 10: 10 New
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    For the faith! Of the king! And the fatherland!
    Deja vu.
  • Malyuta 3 March 2020 10: 26 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    The rest I agree.

    A bold statement from you, probably top-hype? Bet you don't?
    1. Svarog 3 March 2020 10: 34 New
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      Quote: Malyuta
      Quote: Svarog
      The rest I agree.

      A bold statement from you, probably top-hype? Bet you don't?

      Well, I am absolutely not opposed to such points:
      - The RF Constitution proposes to consolidate the definition of family as a union of a man and a woman.
      -Another point is proposed - about the veneration of the memory of the defenders of the Fatherland and the inadmissibility of a revision of their exploit.
      This is a fact of discussion .. Although this is a complete profanation .. but in essence I do not mind the definition ..
      If there is a “package” vote, then naturally I will vote against. Since only two points I support unconditionally, but for the rest or categorically, it doesn’t or isn’t clear, which also means -n’t, if it isn’t clear it means something is muddled ..
      1. Ross xnumx 3 March 2020 14: 00 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        - The RF Constitution proposes to consolidate the definition of family as a union of a man and a woman.

        You know, I’m not even against the fact that the definition of a family is fixed by a clarification:
        union of man and woman (women). It is better to legalize the polygamy of men than homosexuality.
  • 1536 3 March 2020 10: 47 New
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    There are 146 million citizens in the country, but is only one to blame? Some kind of problem. When Uncle Gorbi came to power, I remember how he was met in labor collectives, watched with bated breath on the street, and studied "new thinking" on political activities and political information in workshops and institute audiences and laboratories. So they would spit, stop this bacchanalia with the "cult of personality" Gorbi. In the end, this happened when the people realized that they were bred. Only nothing good came out of this, but "silence-rivi" went into the country.
  • atalef 3 March 2020 18: 57 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    And items about God

    each has its own God.
    the constitution is not specifically stated.
    Well, the Jews. Christians and Muslims - one God.
    But what about Buddhists?
    Evenkov. idolaters
    or these
    church of the flying pasta monster
  • sabakina 3 March 2020 10: 06 New
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    Quote: seti
    Hunchback was not the president of the Russian Federation. Yeltsin has long spread. So far we have one President. Do you disagree with this? .
    Have you already buried Medvedev? When to wait for an obituary?
    1. seti 3 March 2020 10: 09 New
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      Honestly forgot for him. You have earned a plus from me.
      1. Mavrikiy 3 March 2020 10: 19 New
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        No less interesting is the proposal to include in the Constitution a provision on the immunity of the former president of the Russian Federation.
        Than? It was, is, let it be.
        1. Fan-fan 3 March 2020 15: 11 New
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          But for the sake of this amendment, Putin has muddied the whole process. He himself used to say that the president in Russia is responsible for everything that happens in the country, and now he himself has “shed” responsibility.
          Imagine that any president will do “business”, for example, give the Kuril Islands and what to do with it, but nothing - he will have immunity from any responsibility. No, people, you can’t do that, so I urge everyone to vote against.
          1. Svarog 3 March 2020 19: 54 New
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            Quote: Fan-Fan
            But for the sake of this amendment, Putin has muddied the whole process. He himself used to say that the president in Russia is responsible for everything that happens in the country, and now he himself has “shed” responsibility.

            So it’s not in vain that they call him fabulous .. which he just didn’t utter .. here and now he is trying to protect himself, he wants to be unreported ..
  • Malyuta 3 March 2020 10: 18 New
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    You can also find fault with the post, but personally I like such corrections and you would need to spit in the well - you are always unhappy with something judging by the comments.

    Well from, morning began on the collective farm laughing Went HEAT wassat Bulo everything is so peaceful and folding, and here you are, amending him .....
    Have you at least read them completely, or so, according to the evening M ?!
    That is, you like the legalization of poverty of $ 180? Or a lump sum in the form of a monthly salary of a freelance deputy?
    No, no, no, personally, I’m definitely participating in this clowning with “package” agreements, I don’t intend to act and I won’t add any legitimacy, for this there are jumpers with different poles and other “cultural” figures.
    At least my conscience will be clear to my children.
    Pysy. I do not impose my opinion on anyone, this is my personal, so to speak IMHA.
    1. Alexander Suvorov 3 March 2020 11: 19 New
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      Malyuta
      No, no, no, personally, I’m definitely participating in this clowning with “package” agreements, I don’t intend and I’m not going to add any legitimacy to this
      So then maybe all the same come and vote against the amendment?
      I don’t know who how, personally I’ll go and vote AGAINST. Because behind the screen of all these curtains, everyone is preparing a pig for us.
      But more than sure that the amendments will be supported by 146% of the "population". Sleight of hand and no fraud ... laughing
      1. Arlen 3 March 2020 12: 35 New
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        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        I don’t know who how, personally I’ll go and vote AGAINST

        Definitely need to go and vote AGAINST! Even if the amendments are adopted, let the authorities at least know the attitude of the people towards their domestic policy.
      2. Whalebone 3 March 2020 19: 22 New
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        You can’t walk. This is to play with a sharpie his deck.
        1. Svarog 3 March 2020 19: 56 New
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          Quote: Whalebone
          You can’t walk. This is to play with a sharpie his deck.

          It’s necessary to go, but the campaign must be combined with the rally .. Get out on the common front and left and right, everyone who disagrees .. and show how many of us .. under such a press it will be difficult to falsify, in Moscow five million will come out with posters .. and that they will do?
          1. Whalebone 3 March 2020 21: 46 New
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            Rosguard will so mutilate you for a rally on election day that it will beat off the hunt. And then there will be articles for resistance to law enforcement bodies and obstruction of the will of citizens. The meeting is relevant until the 22nd. And the slogan can be only one. Of the three words. You yourself know which ones.
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            If at least one million goes to Moscow, then there will be accidents in the lanes in Vnukovo 3, because of those who want to fly in faster, believe me.
    2. g1washntwn 3 March 2020 14: 45 New
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      Pysy. I do not impose my opinion on anyone, this is my personal, so to speak IMHA.

      Any IMHA and dog posted on the Internet is already an information war shell. Which way they are flying can be seen by what purpose the writer sets himself. As stated: “Late to shave our mustache, Comrade Kerensky.” laughing
  • Malyuta 3 March 2020 10: 24 New
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    Hunchback was not the president of the Russian Federation. Yeltsin has long spread. So far we have one President

    Some hunchback with a spot on his forehead
    Suddenly decided to light the wick
    And he gave the pipe to every Jacob
    And made a fairy tale come true
    And above the gold languishes Koschey.
    The ghouls again took power.
    And we are for them something like acne.
    They are upon us and lie.

    And before it was not like that:
    Gagarin flew
    Played Spartak.
    And the trains went to the virgin lands.
    What, you bastards, prosrali country!

    Ivan on a swamp kisses toads
    As always, trashy
    And Mary put a hijab on him
    And converted to Islam.
    Dobrynya Nikitich is a cool brother,
    And Alyosha Popovich is a cop.
    And Muromets went to the Middle East
    And beats for every cent ........ (s)
    Quote: seti
    you are always unhappy with something judging by the comments.

    Oh-oh, they’ll answer us for raising the retirement age.
  • Paul Siebert 3 March 2020 10: 32 New
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    Yeltsin has long spread.

    Yes, Yeltsin has long since died.
    I remember when I was standing at his tombstone, a little boy whispered to his mother: “Mom, why is there such an awesome big stone on Yeltsin’s grave? So as not to get out?”
  • snake 3 March 2020 10: 33 New
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    For the veneration of the Defenders of the Fatherland?

    Such things should go from the heart and from the soul, and not to the obligation, like: if you don’t read it, it’s fine!
  • aybolyt678 3 March 2020 10: 34 New
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    Humpbacked was not the president of the Russian Federation

    RF legal successor of the USSR. Therefore, it concerns ... and Yeltsin, too sad
  • fif21 3 March 2020 10: 38 New
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    Quote: seti
    So far we have one President. Do you disagree with this? Don't you agree for dad / mom / baby? For the fact that the Russian people are state-forming? For the veneration of the Defenders of the Fatherland?

    Under item number 1 Do not you already buried a dimon? And the second - if even ONE point does not suit me, I will vote against! I'm against it already! hi
  • Killemall 3 March 2020 10: 43 New
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    I sympathize ... oh and they’ll throw you now ... ((
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    seti (Matvey Livanov) Today, 09: 53
    So far we have one President. Do you disagree with this?


    No, I do not agree.
    You forgot about Medvedev.

    Don't you agree for dad / mom / baby? For the fact that the Russian people are state-forming? For the veneration of the Defenders of the Fatherland?


    You "do not see the forest behind the trees."
    All these amendments, just a "smoke screen" to hide the main thing - to give constitutional status to the State Council. The principles of formation, the functions and powers of which will be determined after the vote.
    For all the corrections, is expected vote "in bulk" and not individually. Therefore, in order to guarantee that the “main” amendment will be passed, and that which may appeal to a wider circle of people — to whom God, to the traditional family, to whom the memory of the veterans will be introduced.
  • Ross xnumx 3 March 2020 13: 43 New
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    Quote: seti
    Hunchback was not the president of the Russian Federation. Yeltsin has long spread.

    Uncle! The Russian people are not required to maintain the protection and maintenance of the widow of EBN, and it is not worth mentioning the house of EBN at all ...
    But you, personally, vote as your party ticket and DAM tells you.
  • Revival 3 March 2020 13: 58 New
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    Why spit?
    And here it is?
    A specific amendment on immunity does not suit, it is harmful.
    Can you do anything, and then when you open it is not necessary to answer?
  • Cube123 3 March 2020 14: 34 New
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    Hunchback was not the president of the Russian Federation. Yeltsin has long spread. So far we have one President. Do you disagree with this?

    TWO, ​​actually. They forgot Medvedev.
  • lelik613 4 March 2020 05: 01 New
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    In fact, two, they forgot a lot ... The president should be responsible for his work, including before the court (if there is something).
  • YOUR 3 March 2020 09: 59 New
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    I also do not quite understand this point, however, as the divine.
    There is a law "Federal Law of February 12, 2001 N 12-ФЗ" On Guarantees to the President of the Russian Federation, who has ceased to exercise his powers, and to members of his family "(with amendments and additions)" what else is needed? Why poke it in the Constitution.
    1. fif21 3 March 2020 10: 39 New
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      Quote: YOUR
      There is a law "Federal Law of February 12, 2001 N 12-ФЗ" On Guarantees to the President of the Russian Federation, who has ceased to exercise his powers, and to members of his family "(with amendments and additions)" what else is needed?

      Need to cancel it! hi
      1. Malyuta 3 March 2020 11: 01 New
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        Quote: fif21
        Need to cancel it!

        Doesn’t cease to amaze South Korea with its “lawlessness”! She once again surprised the whole world. In the country, they completely accomplished peacefully, practically without casualties and in full compliance with legal procedures, which in many other countries seems almost unthinkable: they resigned President Park Geun-hye, who was ready to carry more than half of the country four years ago and who herself categorically did not want to leave the post. And just a couple of days ago, Korea again made foreigners shake their heads in surprise: the same Park Geun-hye was first summoned for questioning by the Prosecutor General’s Office, and then eventually arrested and now is sitting in a small solitary confinement, where she is now called “Madame President” number 503 ”- according to the serial number embroidered on a prison robe. And the chances are good that she will eventually replenish the list of leaders of the country who will be sentenced to long imprisonment.
        Really young Koreans are some kind of maniacs, because in the history of South Korea, not a single president ended his term “calmly”: either he himself, or his relatives ended up in prison, or the president was prematurely removed from office, or, worse, sometimes the case ended with "fatal outcomes." Korea would seem to be a very calm country, but politics is clearly not the kind of work that adds years of life, especially to presidents.
        This is not our method comrades !!! It is just necessary to combine two points into one God = President or vice versa, then it will be possible to determine the lifelong maintenance of all descendants until the end of the centuries, derive family trees, build temples of democracy, like Yöburg, well, generally worship by all available means.
    2. depressant 3 March 2020 11: 49 New
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      Your colleague, and then a guarantee to the former president, is trying to put into the Constitution that the laws do not work for us! And those who pop this amendment know this very well. And if you make the laws work ... Oh, what will happen! They, the laws, are such that one half of them contradicts the other, and even inside one law there are contradictions between its articles. That's why they make an amendment - even cunning lawyers are afraid of their own laws. Without amendment, it will always be possible to find a law that contradicts the law on the immunity of the former president and condemns a retired person. Someone, knowing how the "mad printer" works, is very afraid.
      1. YOUR 3 March 2020 12: 41 New
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        So any law can be repealed or amended, for example, in the Constitution
    3. Honest Citizen 3 March 2020 11: 55 New
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      There is a law "Federal Law of February 12, 2001 N 12-ФЗ" On Guarantees to the President of the Russian Federation, who has ceased to exercise his powers, and to members of his family "(with amendments and additions)" what else is needed? Why poke it in the Constitution.

      Then it is to poke that when all the deeds of Putin and Medvedev come up - there will be the only desire to tear them to pieces. So, so that they could be officially protected, they will introduce it.
      Batch voting is generally prohibitive.
      By the way, the Duma will approve all amendments first, and then vote.
      Although, in conscience, a referendum is needed.
      What is the difference between voting and a referendum - google it yourself, I hope you are not banned there.
      1. YOUR 3 March 2020 12: 44 New
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        Not only this is outraged. Outraged by the explanation why the vote is scheduled for April 22. For the Orthodox fasting has ended; for Muslims, their celebration has not yet begun. It seems like we have a secular state, but after reading this you understand not. And all as one believers.
        1. Spring fluff 5 March 2020 01: 40 New
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          This is a joke :) they just have little time. Then summer and people can’t be gathered, but something burns out in them. There are almost no patients with the virus in the country
  • Lannan Shi 3 March 2020 10: 03 New
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    Do you think that the president should not be held responsible after the end of his term?

    Of course not. This is not a drunken woman driving, or a soldier who damaged equipment. The President is a free pianist, he plays as best he can, and shoot him no way!
    PS
    And yes. In fact, the president in Russia is a completely irresponsible person. Not responsible for anything. Well, this fact is enshrined in the constitution. What surprises you?
    1. dauria 3 March 2020 10: 38 New
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      In fact, the president in Russia is a completely irresponsible person. Not responsible for anything.


      Means to keep in a mental hospital after a term. Lunatics also do not answer for anything and do not dispose of property. And then still cripple or deceive ..
      Or is he not violent? belay
  • tihonmarine 3 March 2020 10: 04 New
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    The hunchbacked country has collapsed and lives happily ever after with a pension of 600 tons.

    And Yeltsin was even set up a mausoleum.
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      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: Svarog
      The hunchbacked country has collapsed and lives happily ever after with a pension of 600 tons.

      And Yeltsin was even set up a mausoleum.

      And don’t say .. Shame and impunity, cause shame ..
    2. Mavrikiy 3 March 2020 10: 21 New
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      And Yeltsin was even set up a mausoleum.

      I agree that there are no mausoleums in the Constitution. SHOW! angry
      1. depressant 3 March 2020 12: 16 New
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        Colleague Mauritius, not so loud! wassat
        And then they will seize on your idea, make an amendment, and under it they will tear down the Lenin Mausoleum. He has been burning Putin’s soles for a long time when he has to stand on it during parades. And Yeltsin-cent, not having the status of a mausoleum, will remain.
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          Quote: depressant
          Yeltsin-cent, not having the status of a mausoleum, will remain.

          Well, about the Yeltsincentr in the Constitution there. SHOW! angry
  • grandfather_Kostya 3 March 2020 11: 06 New
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    I believe that immunity is needed for "the main bearer of state secrets." If a court is arranged over him, it doesn’t matter what the judge asks of him and the defendant will be obliged to say too much. But it would be necessary to add a ban to ex-presidents dumping abroad for permanent residence for the duration of all state secrets he knows.
    1. depressant 3 March 2020 12: 19 New
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      This is right, Grandfather Kostya!
  • Den717 3 March 2020 11: 34 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    Do you think that the president should not be held responsible after the end of his term? Personally, this item does not suit me at all ..

    If we allow the retiree-president to fine every traffic cop from personal views on pension reform, then do not expect presidential activity to pacify the oligarchs. The latter, for a hundred rubles, will definitely be bought for an objectionable signed law. Primitive reasoning. The president of the country is not the head of the housing office at all. And the state should provide him with retirement protection so that he is not afraid of strong-willed decisions in power.
  • smart ass 3 March 2020 09: 49 New
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    God, family, people, garbage reform, pension reform, VAT, contributions for thorough repairs ... cheers comrades
    1. tihonmarine 3 March 2020 10: 05 New
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      Quote: Clever man
      God, family, people, garbage reform, pension reform, VAT, contributions for thorough repairs ... cheers comrades

      And again the same "Perestroika, accordion, hurray!".
  • Arlen 3 March 2020 09: 55 New
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    I am totally against it. Need a new constitution. Enough to live according to the basic law of our country donated by the USA.
    1. Arlen 3 March 2020 09: 56 New
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      Amendments to the constitution do not change the situation inside the country.
      1. Svarog 3 March 2020 10: 05 New
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        Quote: Arlen
        Amendments to the constitution do not change the situation inside the country.

        You're right. That nothing will change for the better from these changes .. The people are the same, the same economic policies, a capitalist state, with a lean towards the monarchy .. nothing good can be expected, only socialism will save Russia!
        1. Den717 3 March 2020 11: 43 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          The same people, the same economic policy, a capitalist state, with a lean towards the monarchy .. nothing good can be expected, only socialism will save Russia!

          In addition to the amendments, also change the people? But about "only socialism ....." you have very little trouble for it. Judging by the Communist Party electorate, you still have to work and work on the working masses. At the same time, the remaining 8 billion of the world's population are not waiting for you either.
      2. Aerodrome 3 March 2020 10: 09 New
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        God, family, Russian people:
        cynicism as it is. deceived and deceived again. where in the amendments that it’s impossible to arrange everything for the matchmaker or children, that the hut is in England for children, that the children live there ... threshing floor .. not amendments.
    2. Sergej1972 3 March 2020 14: 10 New
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      In fact, the construction of our Constitution is more reminiscent of the construction of the French Constitution of 1958. Naturally, adjusted for the federal nature of the state. But the distribution of powers between the center and the subjects is more similar to the constitutions of Germany or India. The so-called "cooperative federalism".
  • Mavrikiy 3 March 2020 10: 14 New
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    Quote: seti
    I fully FOR such amendments.
    In particular, not against this.
    It is also prescribed that the president will exercise overall leadership of the country, which in fact turns him into the head of the executive branch of Russia.
    You are leading the country, so be responsible for the execution yourself, and do not transfer the arrows to fluffy iPhones.
  • paul3390 3 March 2020 10: 19 New
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    Since God was remembered, it means that an unclean conscience was tortured to the end of life .. Swollen - well, how in reality in the next world you will soon have to answer for your sweet pranks? So they try to otmazatsya type ..
    1. bessmertniy 3 March 2020 10: 26 New
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      If God is recognized and inserted into the Constitution, then unclean power must be recognized. But it’s somehow very juicy - to recognize the evil spirits of the Constitution! repeat
      1. Lannan Shi 3 March 2020 10: 36 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        But it’s somehow very juicy - to recognize the evil spirits of the Constitution!

        It has long been recognized. Those articles where it is about government and the Duma.
  • Lannan Shi 3 March 2020 10: 24 New
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    Quote: seti
    I am completely FOR such amendments.

    In terms of the +/- ratio, I think that the attitude of people towards such amendments is noticeable. So we’ll see how “honest” we have with those who think in the polls laughing
    1. Snail N9 3 March 2020 10: 58 New
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      I’ve liked this:
      So, in the Constitution of the Russian Federation the existence of the State Council can be fixed. formed by the president of the country. It is also prescribed that the president will exercise overall leadership of the country, which in fact turns him into the head of the executive branch of Russia.

      That is, in plain language: there will be a "Tsar" of all Russia, relying on the "close council" (which he himself chooses), on the "Duma" (pondering laws) ..... than not Russia of the 17th century .. .. "oprichnina" already, is .... God was dragged to something there too ... Well, something else, there, already on 24 pages ... but the joke is that they’ll vote for the list "is cleverly invented ..... wink
    2. Den717 3 March 2020 11: 45 New
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      Quote: Lannan Shi
      So we’ll see how “honest” we have with those who think in the polls

      The VO segment does not reflect the opinion of the whole people. Already checked more than once.
      1. Lannan Shi 3 March 2020 11: 51 New
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        Quote: Den717
        The VO segment does not reflect the opinion of the whole people. Already checked more than once.

        Ugums. In this segment, there are almost completely no simple hard workers - shift workers, movers and other combine operators. There is no time for them to sew, to plow. And they love power so much, love it so much ... It’s like the cats of a veterinarian. Specializing in castration. So yes. The national average will be more negative than the global average.
        Dixi.
        1. depressant 3 March 2020 12: 40 New
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          Lannan, I would like to think like you. But there is doubt. People accustomed to suspecting bad things will think: pensions are being indexed, so there is some kind of law according to which this is done. But if Putin offers to protect this situation by the power of the Constitution, then there are some bad people who are ready to repeal this law, or consider it as a drawbar after Putin left. They can go and vote for amendments. Moreover, the CEC has already announced a massive early vote three days before the turnout. And then many will come to those who helpfully explain the situation in such an aspect and say: “Please put a mark here!”
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            Quote: depressant
            And then many will come to those who helpfully explain the situation in such an aspect and say: “Please put a mark here!”

            Tell me, did such walkers come to you? They suggested putting a tick in the place indicated by them?
        2. Den717 3 March 2020 13: 24 New
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          The national average will be more negative

          Hardly ... People, he is wiser ...
        3. Sergej1972 3 March 2020 14: 15 New
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          I have a different opinion from communicating with hard workers. Basically, either for Putin, or do not care. Some are against, but not from the liberal bell tower, but rather from the communist-socialist and (or) patriotic. But they also support many of Putin’s decisions, for example, in the Crimea ..
  • Russobel 3 March 2020 10: 50 New
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    I am completely for such amendments

    In principle, many effective amendments.
    Family (mom, dad), defenders of the fatherland ,,, everything is fine, BUT I think to drag in God here and the Russians are not worth it here.
    Being Russian and Orthodox, I do not think that Russia is for Russians and Orthodox.
    Russia is a multinational and multiconfessional country.
    So let her stay.
    1. depressant 3 March 2020 13: 37 New
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      Colleague Russobel!
      You can sleep well. There is no such thing that the Russians are more important. There are no Russians at all.
      Here's what the proposed amendment looks like:

      "The official language of the Russian Federation throughout its territory is Russian as the language of a state-forming people in the multinational union of equal peoples of the Russian Federation."

      I explain this tricky twist.
      Almost every resident of the Russian Federation speaks Russian. It happened, if only because we, Russians, 80% of the total population. I am already silent about who built Russia. This is outside the brackets. I’m saying that now it’s more important for understanding my thought, ---- all the inhabitants of the Russian Federation of different nationalities form a single people living on its territory — that's all! No one is separate, not separate. This means that all the inhabitants of the Russian Federation are a state-forming people who are able to speak Russian without exception. Therefore, the amendment to the Constitution is not about the Russian people, it is about all the people of the Russian Federation, it is still about Russian as the language of international communication and official documentation. We, who are Russians, were not in the Constitution, and, judging by the proposed amendment, will not be. Any lawyer will tell you this.
      And the rest will be there. Still. In other articles of the Constitution.
      This is not a Russian amendment!
      Clever men from the amendment commission decided that they beat me. I admit only one thing: "We, the Russian people and other peoples ..."
  • Skubudu 3 March 2020 12: 00 New
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    The Constitution of the Russian Federation provisions on the state-forming role of the Russian people. Thus, it will be emphasized at the constitutional level that Russia is primarily a state of the Russian people.

    20 years in Russia is the genocide of the Russian people ....
    Purely populist move. ..
    On the sufferings of the Russian people ...
    Stop, and then I’ll tell myself the article.
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    Voting is secret. You have an active suffrage, so go and vote secretly. No one will give liberation - neither God, nor king, nor hero ...
  • Nubia2 3 March 2020 15: 30 New
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    I completely [b AGAINST [/ b] of such amendments.
    There is no criminal responsibility of the president - do what you want, promise anything.
    Family - that is, if dad and two children - it turns out not the family at all. Or mom with a baby. The options are different.
    Moreover, there is no need to write about this in the constitution of the shopping mall in the family code that there is a marriage and between whom it is concluded.
    State-forming Russian people? That is, the other peoples of the country sideways.
    In the USSR, with this bflo thought out. The concept - the Soviet people were much more logical.
    About God - in general, words are difficult to find. Tk Pts it is normal to comment on the delusional nature of this amendment.
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      That is, the other peoples of the country sideways.

      Why only the rest? The concept of “state-forming” does not imply the transfer of ownership of mineral resources and means of production, but this is a key issue.
    2. Tank hard 3 March 2020 22: 40 New
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      Tk Pts it is normal to comment on the delusional nature of this amendment.

      It’s even hard to read you ... request laughing
      1. Nubia2 4 March 2020 17: 59 New
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        Then my advice to you is as a teacher.
        Read more. With practice, lightness will come.
        Now, when you are just learning this difficult matter, it may seem that it is difficult.
        But, you will succeed. Of course, if you are not completely dumb.
        1. Tank hard 4 March 2020 19: 32 New
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          Then my advice to you is as a teacher.
          Read more. With practice, lightness will come.

          I have two diplomas of higher pedagogical education, but some kind of "teacher" always comes across. repeat
          1. Nubia2 April 15 2020 11: 24 New
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            I have two diplomas of higher pedagogical education,

            the first time did not work?)))
  • Ross xnumx 3 March 2020 20: 43 New
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    I am completely FOR such amendments.

    Who would doubt that...
    The guarantor of the laws of all and the rules,
    When the deadline came
    Amendments forced to invent -
    Composed that he could.
    He took science as an example,
    The thing done in Kazakhstan,
    Where is the president for beauty
    Named - "Elbasy."
    What a low cunning
    Russian people to humiliate,
    To tyrannize and sprinkle him,
    To leave my kingdom,
    So that everyone would whisper to themselves:
    "When the hell takes you!"
    hi
  • Tank hard 3 March 2020 21: 50 New
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    I am completely for such amendments

    Support. hi
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    There should be an emphasis on the citizen of the country. Citizens should have equal rights and obligations regardless of nationality, religion and gender. Then no one will have complaints and grievances.
  • Podvodnik 3 March 2020 09: 38 New
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    G. Khazanov is just a seer. No wonder he gave the crown.
  • Svarog 3 March 2020 09: 38 New
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    No less interesting is the proposal to include in the Constitution a provision on the immunity of the former president of the Russian Federation. Although immunity was confirmed by law at the very beginning of the reign of Vladimir Putin

    I don’t agree with this and nothing was said about the State Council .. More precisely, it was said dimly .. about the mention of God, it’s also not entirely clear .. but the rest I agree ..
    Why should the former president not be touched? He’ll do business, and then don’t touch him .. Everyone should feel and bear responsibility ..
    1. dauria 3 March 2020 10: 08 New
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      Why should the former president not be touched?


      It is equated with minors and loonies ... Even pregnant women are accountable to the law.
      1. bessmertniy 3 March 2020 10: 27 New
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        But not pregnant Presidents of the Russian Federation! wassat
    2. Departure 3 March 2020 10: 21 New
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      Any government tailors the law as it sees fit. If there is a change of power to one that does not need it, then any amendments will be reviewed as soon as possible. Without these amendments, no one would have been touched, a futile undertaking.
      About the mention of God, I also do not understand, each person’s perception of it will not change from the word at all. Although in this case, there may be the opposite effect.
      1. Aerodrome 3 March 2020 11: 14 New
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        about cats is not said anywhere ... can I prescribe on the "square" no?
  • Ravil_Asnafovich 3 March 2020 09: 38 New
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    On the first paragraph, "AT ALL", I do not agree !!!
  • Igoresha 3 March 2020 09: 40 New
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    "They began to push for patriotism. Apparently, they steal" (c)
    1. Aerodrome 3 March 2020 10: 59 New
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      Quote: Igoresha
      "They began to push for patriotism. Apparently, they steal" (c)

      (C) _ Saltykov Shchedrin.
    2. depressant 3 March 2020 13: 42 New
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      And how, colleague! Even the Central Bank noted a shortage - either 300 or 400 billion rubles.
  • pmkemcity 3 March 2020 09: 41 New
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    It’s a pity that Putin didn’t hear me ... The other day, I proposed to fix in the constitution the norm that football should be played in the summer, and hockey in the winter.
    1. dauria 3 March 2020 10: 22 New
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      football should be played in the summer, and hockey in the winter.


      And observe Ohm's law and gravity. One simple question - for the sake of what amendment was all this started? What kind of power will never agree to be removed from the list .. Without the "God" - then they lived and will live on.
      1. pmkemcity 3 March 2020 10: 25 New
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        Previously, under Stalin, we turned the river back. Under Medvedev, we turned back the clock. Now we just “reversed”.
      2. AK1972 3 March 2020 16: 09 New
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        Quote: dauria
        And abide by Ohm’s law and gravity

        Prohibit any changes to the Bradis table. The number π should be affirmed equal to 3,14159, regardless of the time of year.
    2. bessmertniy 3 March 2020 10: 29 New
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      Correctly. And in the same place to fix that children should not play with matches! wassat
    3. Gardamir 3 March 2020 10: 39 New
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      I also have an amendment. Consider that spring comes to Russia every year.
      1. DMB 75 3 March 2020 11: 03 New
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        To fix the sunrise in the Constitution in the morning. A circus with horses was arranged. request
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          Quote: DMB 75
          Consolidate constitutional sunrise in the morning. A circus with horses staged. request


          Implementation control - entrusted to the president.



          wassat laughing
      2. AU Ivanov. 3 March 2020 11: 11 New
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        This is not a fact. Winter has not come this year.
        1. Gardamir 3 March 2020 14: 46 New
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          And all because it is not enshrined in the constitution.
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            This is not a fact. Winter has not come this year.

            And all because it is not enshrined in the constitution.

            laughing laughing wassat good laughed thanks!
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  • Whisper 3 March 2020 09: 44 New
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    A link to all the edits would not hurt the article, otherwise it is a one-sided review?
  • Same lech 3 March 2020 09: 46 New
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    For Faith ... Tsar ... Fatherland ... this was until 1917 ... returned to what they left a hundred years ago ... well, and somersaults of history. what
    1. Svarog 3 March 2020 09: 49 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      For Faith ... Tsar ... Fatherland ... this was until 1917 ... returned to what they left a hundred years ago ... well, and somersaults of history. what

      All in a spiral .. further along the history of 1917 came ..
    2. seti 3 March 2020 09: 54 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      For Faith ... Tsar ... Fatherland ...

      Is that bad ?
      1. Same lech 3 March 2020 09: 57 New
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        For Faith and Fatherland, I still understand ... but the Tsar, especially if he is an alcoholic or inadequate there will be a big question ... The Tsar must be responsible for his misconduct as well as ordinary citizens ... there should be no exceptions for anyone.
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          In education, 4-4 have already abolished the Fatherland. We fix it in the Constitution. In my opinion this is great. As for the tsar, we don’t have one and the president is only one. Of course he has misses, but the fact that he saved the country and although slowly pushes it forward is his merit. So the Law should protect it from future receivers - I think this is right.
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            but the fact that he saved the country and although slowly pushes it forward is his merit.

            Yes, I agree .... Putin, as the president of Russia, pulled her hair out of the swamp into which Russian President Yeltsin pushed her.
            We need insurance against mediocre and inadequate presidents ... otherwise, we again run the risk of repeating all the troubles of Russia. hi
            1. seti 3 March 2020 10: 08 New
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              Well, hang Hunchback tomorrow. What will it change ? Personally, I will get satisfaction, but the united country will not be returned. Need to go further. I also don’t agree with everything, but in the majority I like them.
              1. Same lech 3 March 2020 10: 10 New
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                He didn’t need to hang up, but he needed to arrange a court ... as a reminder to all future rulers of Russia that you should not dishonor and betray your country for the interests of the United States or even a foreign country for us ..
              2. Svarog 3 March 2020 10: 12 New
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                Quote: seti
                Well, hang Hunchback tomorrow. What will it change ?

                Another president will be more attentive to his duties - that’s what will change when a person knows that they will have to answer for the jambs, he knows he’s not tyrannical ..
        2. Per se. 3 March 2020 10: 36 New
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          Quote: The same Lech
          For Faith and Fatherland, I still understand ...
          Faith and religion are not the same thing. Why can every religious denomination speak on behalf of God, have some kind of monopoly on faith? Money and influence, this is the basis of religion, high morality, humanism, modesty and moderation, are clearly no longer the lot of snickering priests who are briskly making money on faith in God. Finally, in addition to religious denominations, there are atheists, what about their feelings?

          As for responsibility, the LAW should be a law for everyone, except how to demand law-abidingness from others, being beyond jurisdiction.
          1. Same lech 3 March 2020 10: 41 New
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            As for liability, before the LAW should be a law for all

            It sounds beautiful but not realistic in the conditions of the domination of the bourgeois class over the proletarians ... with a lot of money and loyalty to the existing government, punishment can be avoided. The law sometimes becomes the laughing stock of justice ... justice and the law should all be in one bottle.
            Now we have a law that turned to where it turned and it turned out ... there is no question of justice ... even take the law on the amnesty of stolen capital.
            Steal billions get an amnesty ... for it ... what ... the complete absurdity of law.
      2. Svarog 3 March 2020 10: 07 New
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        Quote: seti
        Quote: The same Lech
        For Faith ... Tsar ... Fatherland ...

        Is that bad ?

        Of course .. Forgot how it was under the king? So look at the story .. 14% of the educated population, an agrarian country mired in corruption and nepotism ..
        And compare what happened with the Communists.
        1. seti 3 March 2020 10: 15 New
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          Do you just remember the bad? And my relatives under the king thrived. She earned her hump with sweat and blood and lost everything in 17 and subsequent years. And many others under the king lived happily ever after. Who worked and not scratched his tongue. Each country has its pros and cons. There is no ideal state. Everywhere there are hard workers and loafers.
          1. Same lech 3 March 2020 10: 20 New
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            Well, then again, we are stratifying Russian society into the irreconcilable classes of the proletarians and the bourgeoisie ... this is antagonism.
            Why do we have children from the so-called golden youth who have not worked for a single day consider themselves higher in the position of a locksmith, plumber, janitor sticking their faces in their sweat all their lives ... irreconcilable contradictions in our society are already laid here.
            1. seti 3 March 2020 10: 21 New
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              Well, this is so in all countries. Or only in the Russian Federation? I agree that this is not correct and that someone believes that he is the most equal, but how to change this? The constitution?
              1. Same lech 3 March 2020 10: 24 New
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                I don’t know ... the revolution and the 70 years of communist power and their mediocre collapse in Russia showed that not everything is so smooth in the ideas of communism ... human vices are manifested even among stubborn communists.
                1. seti 3 March 2020 10: 39 New
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                  So what do people want? They want a lot of money for tough wheelbarrows of tanned girls. There is nothing to not do rags of life to the fullest. Understand that they all owe them and personally they do not need anyone. For most young people, there is no concept of honor, kindness, caringness, responsibility, homeland duty. Humans themselves are bad creatures (overwhelmingly). Therefore, the ideals of the West are closer to them. There all abomination is practically legalized.
                  Look at the posters of the years 50-70.

                  And our

                  What will the girl choose?
                  1. Kronos 3 March 2020 12: 13 New
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                    And why can not you have a tractor for work and a good car for trips?
                  2. Sergej1972 3 March 2020 14: 21 New
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                    In fairness, during the war years in the United States and Great Britain there were also posters urging women and girls to go to work and replace warring men. And the posters of the times of the USSR with advertising of savings banks, Aeroflot, recreation on the Black Sea how to evaluate ?.
            2. Nameless 9 March 2020 02: 50 New
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              Golden youth are majors (young immoral goons provided by parents), spoiled and well-maintained by their successful parents and spared the need for independent employment, training, and career growth. Their attitude to ordinary people is a prejudice towards them as cattle, unicellular, because, as a person, majors are morally, morally and spiritually 80-95% composed of pretty shit. This is a matter of education, not politics. They have a very indirect relation to highly paid specialists and managers. Therefore, a specialist is paid dearly because he prepares for a long time and is accordingly expensive - he will not work hard for a dime with his knowledge and skills.
            3. Nameless 9 March 2020 02: 54 New
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              Stalin was still stratified - when in the besieged Leningrad alone they barely made ends meet, and the authorities at that time rolled up feasts and refused nothing to themselves. And none of them wanted to go out and share the hardships with ordinary people. Well, and after the Second World War it was so that some turner received much less than an architect. I'm not talking about the fact that members of the CPSU had access to what was inaccessible to ordinary citizens. There was no equality in the Union. As the saying goes, "everyone is equal - but some are more equal than others."
          2. Svarog 3 March 2020 10: 27 New
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            Do you just remember the bad?

            So look objectively .. the monarchy is over worse than socialism .. but let's generally return to the Stone Age .. I will give a simple example. You will agree I hope that under socialism there are much more opportunities for a person. Free education and medicine provides tremendous opportunities for the nation. Remember how many Soviet scientists came from the people and made great discoveries .. Under capitalism and the monarchy, these opportunities are greatly reduced and are available only to a narrow group of people, which greatly reduces the likelihood of genius among them .. this is just one small example where you can clearly see the possibilities .. I'm not talking about demographics, with which, as you see, we have a complete failure .. but how the state can live without the state-forming Russian people .. it will die out and will die out as long as we have monarchy or capitalism ..
            1. Romey 3 March 2020 10: 39 New
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              Colleague, I want to correct you. Monarchy, this is one of the ways of government. And socialism is a socio-economic formation according to Marxist theory. As you know, these are slightly different things.
              1. Svarog 3 March 2020 10: 41 New
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                Quote: romey
                Colleague, I want to correct you. Monarchy, this is one of the ways of government. And socialism is a socio-economic formation according to Marxist theory. As you know, these are slightly different things.

                Thank you, but the point is clear ..
            2. seti 3 March 2020 10: 48 New
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              You take different eras. Under Nicholas 2 there were few scientists? Little country developed? Most scientists of the Soviet school were born just in the reign of Nicholas. It’s just that some of them didn’t, because of the revolution, were replaced by others. You can recall the repression against these very scientists, which was not with the same king. Everything is objective.
              1. Vladimir B. 3 March 2020 13: 30 New
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                Quote: seti
                Under Nicholas 2 there were few scientists?

                Few. After the October Revolution, they became many times more.
                Quote: seti
                Most scientists of the Soviet school were born just in the reign of Nicholas

                And what about the fact that they were born with a bloody nicholas? They could become scientists under the Soviet regime.
                Quote: seti
                Everything is objective

                You are not seeing any objectivity.
                1. AU Ivanov. 3 March 2020 15: 05 New
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                  Nicholas Drooling. Compared to the Bolsheviks, they were truly bloody. The same Tupolev graduated from the Imperial Higher Technical School, now MVTU. Engineers and scientists of the pre-war years graduated from universities, the teachers in which, as a rule, were "fragments of the old regime"
          3. fif21 3 March 2020 10: 50 New
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            And my relatives under the king thrived.

            The defect of the Cheka! Or did the genes come out? Although Gidar did not have a lordly gene, his grandson was a bad boy. recourse
        2. Varyag71 3 March 2020 10: 20 New
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          And not without reason many officials order themselves a coat of arms, but they buy all sorts of titles.
      3. sabakina 3 March 2020 10: 10 New
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        Quote: seti
        Quote: The same Lech
        For Faith ... Tsar ... Fatherland ...

        Is that bad ?

        Did it help a lot in 1914? Yes, even in the losers recorded.
        1. AU Ivanov. 3 March 2020 10: 59 New
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          The slogan "For our Soviet Motherland" in 1991 also did not work.
      4. paul3390 3 March 2020 10: 13 New
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        Faith is a personal affair of every citizen. The king - is not needed in FIG, although they are trying to assign him to us strenuously. Fatherland - and here, as never before, I would like to specify the term - what exactly is meant by this.
    3. Podvodnik 3 March 2020 09: 57 New
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      That's it. It remains only to hear: "Tsar, very nice, king."
    4. sabakina 3 March 2020 09: 58 New
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      I ask you to appoint me king! I was in Ipatiev Monastery, I know Susanin swamps, so I won’t let you down! wink But seriously, Vera is not in the constitution, and not even in the temple. Faith in the soul.
      1. depressant 3 March 2020 16: 58 New
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        Uh, colleague, sabakina, you are late. Do you know how it will be?
        They say that after the vote, the amendments will be finalized, but will come into force immediately after the vote. The next day. Paradox? And then those who are still watching TV will turn it on in the morning of the 23rd, and according to the First announcement:
        --- In connection with the intronization of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, the broadcasting grid has been changed. The live broadcast of the ceremony from the Grand Kremlin Palace will begin at 12:21 Moscow time. The ceremony was attended by persons of royal blood of ruling houses from all over Europe. The Queen of England will arrive at the time .... On the occasion of the ceremony in the evening at 00:XNUMX fireworks and festivities will take place on Red Square. Tsar Vladimir will go out to his subjects in front of the salute and from the Mausoleum will address them with a speech that we will broadcast, etc.
        Can amend the amendments? They can. I will not be surprised wassat