British Marines criticize Israeli friend-or-foe system for small arms


In the United States conducted test training of special forces, small arms weapon which was equipped with Israeli "friend or foe" devices. In addition to the US military, the British Marines also took part in the training. Training sessions were held at the Fort Benning military base.


According to American media reports, there have been tests of Israeli-made Safe Shoot devices. This device is attached to the barrel of small arms and collects information about where the fighter is aiming. Moreover, initially all of these devices in a certain area are combined into a common network.

The principle of operation is approximately as follows: a device on a fighter’s rifle is able to track the coordinates of other fighters of the same unit. Safe Shoot lights a green light if a co-worker does not enter the firing zone. If the system believes that the shot may prove to be dangerous for any of the fellow shooters, then the red signal is turned on.

One of the American fighters tells:

For example, you may not notice your own through the foliage. But the red light lets you know that you can’t shoot in this direction, because there is your own. The device allows you to act in small groups. For example, I aim a rifle, and if the light on the device is green, another fighter from the group throws a grenade in that direction.

During training, options for firing through smoke were worked out. As reported, the system proved to be practically without failures, allowing you to understand who is behind the smokescreen - “friends” or “strangers”.

It is noted that the device does not block shooting, but only informs the fighter. It warns that the so-called "friendly fire" can be opened.

The British marines criticized the device. One of the Marines noted that the last thing you think about in a battle is a light bulb that is "trying to suggest something."

From the statement:

And this signal is almost impossible to see in bright daylight or, for example, in a shady forest, where light and shadow change quickly. In an operation in a small team, in any case, you need to know about the location of your fighters.

The system was also criticized for the fact that the enemy can take possession of the weapon, which will give him an additional advantage - Safe Shoot will show it as “his”.



In RuNet, the Israeli development “friend or foe” was ironically called “chatlan-patsak” - according to the device from the film “Kin-dza-dza!”, Which, by the color of the light bulb, made it possible to determine the “status” of the person standing in front of you.
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  1. Ka-52 3 March 2020 08: 20 New
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    The British marines criticized the device. One of the Marines noted that the last thing you think about in a battle is a light bulb that is "trying to suggest something."

    here it is worth trusting precisely the opinion of the British.
    One of the American fighters tells:
    For example, you may not notice your own through the foliage. But the red light lets you know that you can’t shoot in this direction, because there is your own.

    The Americans just need to screw another iPhone onto their assault rifle
    1. novel66 3 March 2020 08: 24 New
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      yeah, just not to think with your head
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 3 March 2020 13: 53 New
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        in battle, the last thing you think about is a light bulb that is “trying to suggest something”
        The Israelis seem to be more worried about the lives of their comrades than the British.
    2. Starover_Z 3 March 2020 10: 11 New
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      Quote: Ka-52
      The Americans just need to screw another iPhone onto their assault rifle

      And if the light bulbs in the area of ​​the head will wear "mine"? It's all right ?

      "- do not shoot, that your ..."
      1. tihonmarine 3 March 2020 10: 53 New
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        Quote: Starover_Z
        And if the light bulbs in the area of ​​the head will wear "mine"? It's all right ?

        Quote: Starover_Z
        And if the light bulbs in the area of ​​the head will wear "mine"? It's all right ?

        First shoot, and only then figure out who is who.
  2. bessmertniy 3 March 2020 08: 24 New
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    The British need to learn how to respond to light bulbs at the level of reflexes. Then everything will be on the “machine” and there will be no special problems. And recognition systems, etc. have any systems. Therefore, you need to choose the best.
    1. vvvjak 3 March 2020 08: 44 New
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      Quote: bessmertniy
      The British need to learn how to respond to light bulbs at the level of reflexes.

      Interesting offer. Then the enemy just needs to carry a red flashlight. A better traffic light - red, green, red, green and op - yellow, special forces fighters all "hung", the reflexes ended.
      1. bessmertniy 3 March 2020 08: 51 New
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        Vladimir, yellow is your know-how. My applause. wink
        1. vvvjak 3 March 2020 08: 59 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          Vladimir, yellow is your know-how.

          Should I apply for a patent in the RF Ministry of Defense, or in Israel, should I apply to the Pribluda developers for armaments? Already lost (just like a monkey from a famous joke) laughing.
      2. grandfather_Kostya 3 March 2020 09: 45 New
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        If there is no time to be distracted by the light bulb, there is an option-signal-matugalnik in the Nicht Schissen! Headphones.
    2. Glory1974 3 March 2020 09: 02 New
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      The British need to learn how to respond to light bulbs at the level of reflexes.

      This will help the work of the physiologist Pavlov. At the beginning of the 20th century, he experimented with dogs with bulbs. wassat
      1. bessmertniy 3 March 2020 09: 36 New
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        In principle, if there are not enough light bulbs, and the fighter is a little color blind, then you can add a certain sound to each color. And this is also Pavlov.
  3. Amateur 3 March 2020 08: 31 New
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    In RuNet, the Israeli development “friend or foe” was ironically called “chatlan-patsak” - according to the device from the film “Kin-dza-dza!”, Which, by the color of the light bulb, made it possible to determine the “status” of the person standing in front of you.

    Bravo! And the crimson light will signal that the commander is in front of you and you need to say Ku twice. good
    In Israel, they love Danelia!
    1. Same lech 3 March 2020 08: 48 New
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      Yeah ... you patsak and you patsak ... and I'm chatlanin. smile
      1. bessmertniy 3 March 2020 08: 54 New
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        Good patsak two “KU” will not do. The more you cook, the more you live - such a sign. wink
    2. vvvjak 3 March 2020 08: 50 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      In Israel, they love Danelia!

      It seems to me that in Israel they love not Danelia, but "WoT".
    3. Piramidon 3 March 2020 11: 16 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      Bravo! And the crimson light will signal that the commander is in front of you and you need to say Ku twice.

      Only yellow pants and no light bulbs. laughing
  4. primaala 3 March 2020 08: 35 New
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    The British are bluffing. The Fed is the “shaved” roulette, which means Israel’s share.
  5. Krasnodar 3 March 2020 08: 42 New
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    Englishman is right
    1. Vitaly gusin 3 March 2020 10: 16 New
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      Quote: Krasnodar
      Englishman is right

      good afternoon
      You and I know how many died from the "friendly fire" during the elimination of terrorists in settlements. Therefore, any invention that will reduce these errors and save the life of a soldier should only be welcomed. Application in the UK and in Israel, these are two big differences.
      1. Krasnodar 3 March 2020 10: 27 New
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        Good morning!
        Does Bibi not sit down? laughing Here is the hedge asp
        Britons have the same battle arena - BV
        Perhaps quite stupid cases (the platoon is divided into two, went around the hill from two sides, starts shooting at each other) and this will prevent hi
        1. Vitaly gusin 3 March 2020 10: 40 New
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          Does Bibi not sit down? Here is the hedge asp

          Will he sit or not, we will see, even if it will sit in 3-4 years.
          It was very rare that the government would last the whole term (4 years).
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Britons have the same battle arena - BV

          But you can not compare the intensity of operations carried out by the IDF and shaving.
          1. Krasnodar 3 March 2020 10: 54 New
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            I agree - on the other hand, the Britons took such objects as Basra
            1. Vitaly gusin 3 March 2020 12: 09 New
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              Yes, of course, but the intensity of cleansing villages and cities is much higher, and the chances of shooting his own increase.
  6. knn54 3 March 2020 08: 46 New
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    The three of us are sitting in an ambush - I, Izzy and a grenade. .Full fog We look - an arba is traveling with ... I threw a grenade.
    We stayed together - me and the arba with ...
  7. rocket757 3 March 2020 08: 49 New
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    British Marines criticize Israeli friend-or-foe system for small arms

    The technique, the system is new ... will evolve and eventually work as it should. On the other hand, anti devices will do. Everything as usual.
    1. Voyager 3 March 2020 08: 53 New
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      How about an EW system that will make the bulb blink continuously in all colors
      1. rocket757 3 March 2020 09: 21 New
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        Quote: Voyager
        How about an EW system that will make the bulb blink continuously in all colors

        who can now assume that they will be
        Quote: rocket757
        anti device.

        Make a stray the size of a cigarette pack and hello, go figure it out where your own and where a stranger.
  8. Paranoid50 3 March 2020 09: 33 New
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    It smacks of anti-Semitism. yes
    1. Krasnodar 3 March 2020 10: 19 New
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      What a cute hutspa)).
  9. Ros 56 3 March 2020 09: 59 New
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    And what is the price of this device? After all, it’s a horror to slap this miracle on each barrel. And what about trophy trunks?
  10. John22 3 March 2020 10: 13 New
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    As I understand it, this is the first such device in the world. Maybe it’s unusual and has shortcomings, but work is ongoing. And good luck to them. We would also do well to do this.
  11. Mikhail3 3 March 2020 10: 46 New
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    Probably at the training ground it will be funny. Against gangsters from one village who attack gangsters from another is also cool ... for the first time. However, when the enemy is more serious (who has at least one computer technician in the state who has ever set up RFID tags in stores), he will understand that it’s the terribly high-tech enemy warriors who use it, it will immediately become ridiculous.
    This will be followed by monstrously complex actions, namely the capture of at least one mark, a thorough examination (with one eye, three seconds), with which it will be determined which of the civilian devices the Israelis use. Buying a programmer on the network ...
    Further progress will go by leaps and bounds. Obtaining from the Pentagon a couple of billion to "develop a promising identification system." Which the enemy does not hack after a couple of hours, but after a couple of days, having dealt with control signals and positional response. A couple more billion ...
  12. Coronel76 3 March 2020 11: 05 New
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    The device in the movie was called a visor laughing
  13. voyaka uh 3 March 2020 11: 20 New
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    "One of the Marines noted that in battle the last thing you think about is a light bulb that is" trying to tell something "////
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    This is not true. In battle, the worst thing is to kill your comrade. This will haunt all his life, no matter how many enemies he shot before and after.
    I experienced this fear when I was a machine gun turret. You sneeze, for a split second you will be distracted, the trunk will twitch and you will get to your back.
    Therefore, any indication distinguishing friend or foe is useful. Maybe a light bulb is not the best, but the system itself is very useful.
    1. Paranoid50 3 March 2020 12: 24 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      You sneeze, for a split second you will be distracted, the trunk will twitch and you will get to your back.
      Therefore, any indication distinguishing friend or foe is useful. Maybe a light bulb is not the best, but the system itself is very useful.

      Connection? request Or if the light comes on, sneezes sharply? laughing
      1. voyaka uh 3 March 2020 12: 39 New
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        If the light comes on, sharply turn the barrel of the machine gun up.
        This is always done in an unexpected situation. I thought you were in a combat situation?
        1. Paranoid50 3 March 2020 13: 04 New
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          If the light comes on, sharply turn the barrel of the machine gun up.

          Yes, the Russians in white: you can not see a fig.
          1. voyaka uh 3 March 2020 13: 09 New
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            For color blind people, the system is not suitable.
            But who knows how to distinguish a red light from a green light - will cope smile
            1. Paranoid50 3 March 2020 13: 17 New
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              Quote: voyaka uh
              But who knows how to distinguish red traffic light from green

              Again twenty-five ... laughing In short, the solution is this: automatic blocking, but over this Israeli (and not only) golovachs have yet to wrinkle their turnips. Something like that. And as for fear, I remember one of our co-worker, almost sending us four to
              "country of eternal hunting" from the KPVT, after which he was only slightly puzzled by what happened. wassat
            2. Tuzik 3 March 2020 13: 30 New
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              Quote: voyaka uh
              For color blind people, the system is not suitable.

              Alexei, did you hold this thing in your hands? It seems to me besides color, the brightness there changes a lot. Color blind in fact can distinguish the included bulb from the switched-off one?
              1. voyaka uh 3 March 2020 13: 40 New
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                Of course not. We still had no indications of a friend or foe. laughing The officer ran up: "you shoot" on a fist "to the left of that solitary bush, at the bush - ours."
                Everything is green and yellow, no one is visible, neither the militants, nor their own ...
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                I would give dearly for such a light bulb,
                is it dull, bright.
            3. sharp-lad 4 March 2020 21: 56 New
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              And instead of one light bulb two is difficult to put? Left - shoot, right - sharply turn the barrel of the machine gun up. smile hi
    2. Krasnodar 3 March 2020 12: 44 New
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      The indicator should be different. The case itself - God forbid, of course.
  14. Chaldon48 3 March 2020 11: 21 New
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    How does this device work, sends a radio signal? So the shooter has not yet made a shot will give out his whereabouts.
    1. Andrey.AN 3 March 2020 11: 56 New
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      It is unlikely that they fled to fight those who are equipped with wide-spectrum radio imagers.
  15. Victor March 47 3 March 2020 11: 46 New
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    On the forehead of each "own" you need to sculpt a piece of paper with a QR code. And do not close or gloss over this mark. Stickers change in turn 24 hours, recoding the system so that the enemy could not use it.