In Ukraine, the idea arose to repeat the “Turkish experience of Idlib” in the Donbas


Someone in Ukraine had an unexpected and rather peculiar interpretation of events in Syrian Idlib. After a series of reports about the successful use of UAV strike UAVs against the SAA by the Turkish army, representatives of Ukrainian “hawks” recalled that such vehicles were in service with the Armed Forces and began to urge “to adopt useful experience” in order to apply it during the conflict in the Donbass.


So far, this idea has been exaggerated mainly at the level of various kinds of Ukrainian military experts, volunteers and other seemingly unofficial individuals. However, there is no guarantee that she will not visit the "bright minds" of the local staff and commanders of units located on the contact line directly in the East. Especially after some Western media outlets launched a real advertising campaign to glorify the Turkish “breakthrough” in the use of UAVs. For example, the American Bloomberg admires the "swarm of drones" with which the Turks "gained control of the airspace over a large area", proclaiming it "a real military innovation."

At the same time, for some reason, Western journalists are modestly silent about the number of UAVs shot down by the Syrian army. The first losses of Damascus’s troops during the attacks of the Turkish “swarms” were caused rather by their unwillingness to repel attacks of this kind. Oriented and very quickly rebuilt, the SAA began to shoot them one by one. Moreover, some earlier information about the destruction of Turkish UAVs with the help of which an attempt was also made to launch massive strikes came from Libya.

It is impossible to deny: Turkey is one of the countries where the manufacture of this type of weapons was launched and deployed to the serial level without any outside help. Moreover, today, according to some experts, it can be considered the third in the world in the production of military drones - after the United States and Israel.

Recall that currently the Turkish army is armed with hundreds of half-ton strike UAVs Bayraktar TB2 and about three dozen and a half ton Anka. However, to say that these air means, having rather limited scope and effectiveness, are a kind of “miraculousweapons", It would be fundamentally wrong.

And even more so an extremely imprudent step on the part of Kiev would be a hope for the 3 units of Turkish Bayraktar TB2 at its disposal. They were purchased, we recall, in 2018 after a personal trip to Ankara by the then President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko. It was originally about supplying Ukraine with 6 UAVs and 200 missiles for them in the amount of almost $ 70 million. As of the current moment, 3 drones have actually been transferred to the troops; in Turkey, calculations for their command have been prepared and certified. Nevertheless, there is no information about their use at least for aerial reconnaissance in the Donbass.

Most likely, the point here is the extremely sad result that Kiev’s attempts to use combat in the conflict zone led Aviation, ending with almost its complete destruction by the militias. If the defenders of the Donbass managed to bring down any but combat aircraft and helicopters at the initial stage of hostilities, now, after so many years, Turkish UAVs will most likely not be a problem for them. If you take into account the cost of each such "toy", it can turn out very painfully.

According to experts, if anything can make Kiev throw them in an attack on the Donbass, then only the desire to get a spectacular picture, similar to that which the Turks today show off to the whole world, showing shots of the “merciless blows” of their UAVs against the enemy.
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  1. Aerodrome 3 March 2020 09: 15 New
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    Crimea is not Syria. try it.
    1. Aerodrome 3 March 2020 10: 03 New
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      Quote: Aerodrome
      Crimea is not Syria. try it.

      that's where the minuses come from ... "non-cash" is found here ...
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan 3 March 2020 11: 39 New
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      Crimea is not Syria. try it.


      It's not about the Crimea, but about the Donbass.

      In the Donbass today there is no means to combat UAVs flying at high altitude.

      Even 3 Turkish UAVs do things there, we’ll tire of burying. They are nothing corny to bring down. Over Idlib, where, as it were, airspace is controlled by Syria and Russia, and even then they still fly and bomb. Six were shot down, and Turkey has more than 6 in total, not all drums, but most of them are adjusted by artillery and reconnaissance.

      Turkish and any other strike UAVs are a problem, and Russia needs to solve it as soon as possible.
      1. Charik 3 March 2020 12: 12 New
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        high altitude is how much UAV for these models? Is there really nothing to get (maybe the Wasp stagnated somewhere in the mine)
        1. 113262a 3 March 2020 12: 21 New
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          Wasps that is, but they are low, old
      2. kapitan92 3 March 2020 13: 14 New
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        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        In the Donbass today there is no means to combat UAVs flying at high altitude.

        Currently there are Osa AK, Strela 10 air defense systems. In July 2014, military unit A 1402 came under the control of the militia, the air defense regiment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was stationed there. The units were armed with air defense systems, which include 9C18 M1 “Dome” mobile three-coordinate radar stations "And Buk self-propelled anti-aircraft missile systems.
        "Dome" has a range of target detection of up to 160 km. And the Buk air defense system can hit any aircraft at ranges of up to 30 km and 18 km in height ..
        In what condition they are now unknown. Perhaps part of the complexes has been restored with our help.
        The OSA air defense system operates up to 5 km, Strela 10 to 3,5 km, if part of Bukov was restored and service staff prepared, a surprise is possible for Ukrainians. hi
        1. Old Michael 3 March 2020 22: 32 New
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          In July 2014, the military unit A 1402 came under the control of the militia, the air defense regiment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was stationed there. The units were armed with air defense systems, which included 9C18 M1 Kupol mobile three-coordinate radar stations and Buk self-propelled anti-aircraft missile systems.

          Is it not these “Buki” that the Dutch court is pushing to the case of the Malaysian Boeing?
          1. kapitan92 3 March 2020 23: 09 New
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            Quote: OldMichael
            Is it not these “Buki” that the Dutch court is pushing to the case of the Malaysian Boeing?

            Of course not. In the territory of Donbass there were 156 air defense missile defense systems of Ukraine (military unit A1402). He is armed with a Buk air defense system. Divided into 3 divisions:
            The 1st ZRDN Avdeevka (military unit A1428) was also the headquarters of the regiment (military unit A1402)
            2nd ZRDN Mariupol (hf A1659)
            3rd ZRDN Lugansk (military unit A-1973)
            After the outbreak of the war, the Divisions in Avdeevka and Lugansk were evacuated.
            On the territory of the military unit there were disabled JMA, ROM, Dome, they were simply abandoned.
            The Boeing was shot down 17.07.14/XNUMX/XNUMX. So it was physically impossible to restore the remnants of the complexes, and there were no trained personnel. Perhaps in recent years, something has been assembled and staffed with our help.
            1. Old Michael 3 March 2020 23: 41 New
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              Cap92, thanks for the clarification!
              But are such impartial judges interested in such details? Beech - he is also in the Netherlands Beech. (Sad joke)
              1. kapitan92 3 March 2020 23: 57 New
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                Quote: OldMichael
                But are such impartial judges interested in such details?

                Alas, Michael! Let's see how this "Dutch court" ends. drinks hi
        2. Ratmir_Ryazan 4 March 2020 08: 54 New
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          But what a surprise for the APU, look at Syria, there a dozen UAVs paralyzed the offensive of the Syrian and Russian army, and even Syria has S-300 and Buki and Torah and Shell, and Russia has S-400, AWACS and fighter aircraft Su-30/35

          There, from Khmeimim to Idlib, 100 km, everything should be visible and amazed, and Turkish UAVs host Idlib and lay out videos every day in which they hit equipment and SAA fighters.

          This is shame and miscalculation, or cowardice. Moreover, Turkey’s military budget is 4 times less than ours, but on UAVs they are far ahead, and very far away. And the Syrian planes, and maybe ours are shot down like sparrows.
          1. Hermit21 4 March 2020 09: 45 New
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            a dozen UAVs paralyzed the offensive of the Syrian and Russian army


            Is the Russian army advancing somewhere? laughing It was paralyzed in Turkish peremozhnymi commercials. Which were partially shot in Libya, partly related to the campaign against the Kurds ... But then take, the main thing is to scream louder, sho the Turks are strong.

            But even Syria has weapons and S-300 and Buki and Torah and Armor


            Well. It was worth adjusting the air defense systems, as the turmoil had disappeared somewhere.

            Turkish UAVs host Idlib and every day they post videos in which they hit equipment and SAA fighters


            They on March 2 ceased to "host". Did the curator give you a stale text, or what?

            Moreover, Turkey’s military budget is 4 times less than ours, but on UAVs they have far advanced


            Because Russia rightly does not consider shock drones in their current form as a top priority. And who has the second largest UAV fleet in the armed forces.

            And the Syrian planes, and maybe ours are shot down like sparrows


            The authorities are hiding, right? Clumsy work, hustler
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan 4 March 2020 12: 16 New
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              Bullshit drove and satisfied.

              And Russia did not support the advance of the SAA at all, and Turkey’s UAVs didn’t do such serious damage and generally didn’t need weapons of water, but a pilot can lose an attack aircraft, but anyone except Russia can hit targets with an UAV.

              By the way, I’m a military pensioner, I live in Ryazan, you look in the course about working part-time on the network, can you tell me where to find a curator to pay for the fact that I think you “unfairly” point out problems in our army?
          2. Salty 7 March 2020 12: 03 New
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            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            This is shame and miscalculation, or cowardice

            This is a calculation. Russia does not need an open military conflict. Therefore, the Syrians are fighting with the Turks, in their own land, and Russia seems to have nothing to do with it ... although, this is how to look.

            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            Turkey’s military budget is 4 times less than ours, but on UAVs they have far advanced

            Turkey is a capstran and a member of NATO, all technologies are open to it. Unlike Russia, which is forced to catch up in this (and not only this) area, relying only on its own resources. Everything is very simple, if you think a little.
      3. abarth 3 March 2020 16: 13 New
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        all right, if the enemy does not have UAVs, it’s really bad if the enemy has UAVs and he is going to use them too ....
      4. Hermit21 4 March 2020 08: 25 New
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        Donbass has deep mines. You never know what can be found there
      5. Romka47 6 March 2020 15: 06 New
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        I beg you if "someone" shot down Tochka-U, then why did this "someone" not stick on the UAV? the second moment, it’s one thing to hammer on the march of the column, knowing that the answer will not arrive at the control point, and it’s another thing to attack the trench, alright dugout, when you can work the art back and DRG go, this is not Turkish territory for you, the taboo for the Arab This is the Donbass and Russian soldiers.
    3. Charik 3 March 2020 12: 10 New
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      And where does the Crimea, about the Donbass, but still let them try
    4. Pavel73 4 March 2020 17: 46 New
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      And they are not Turks to us. We regard the Turks as a possible adversary. To the same as traitors. And we will deal with them as with traitors.
  2. Svarog 3 March 2020 09: 15 New
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    However, there is no guarantee that she will not visit the "bright minds" of the local staff and commanders of units located on the contact line directly in the East.

    And visit .. when the United States will be profitable .. Sooner or later, Natsik will be sent with us to war ..
    1. Ravil_Asnafovich 3 March 2020 09: 47 New
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      Once they were sent, at the end of the Second World War, they received a full hitch.
      1. Ravil_Asnafovich 3 March 2020 22: 24 New
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        Who put me a minus? Oh, I guessed.
    2. Nyrobsky 3 March 2020 11: 04 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      However, there is no guarantee that she will not visit the "bright minds" of the local staff and commanders of units located on the contact line directly in the East.

      And visit .. when the United States will be profitable .. Sooner or later, Natsik will be sent with us to war ..

      Judging by the data given in the article, dill has three such drones. They have a contract with Turkey for six Bayraktar TB2 UAVs +200 missiles +2 escort stations totaling $ 69 million. So they can try, but it is unlikely to develop success and achieve a significant turning point in the situation. In two weeks, Turkey lost 6 UAVs in Syria and another 4 in Libya - a total of 10. I do not know how much Bayraktar TB2 costs, but Anka costs the treasury 30 million apiece.
  3. Arlen 3 March 2020 09: 16 New
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    APU warriors want to lose their drones. Let them try. Every day, several times a day, crazy news comes from Ukraine. This circus is already boring. These clowns can’t come up with anything new, just express their nonsense. Better engaged in the restoration of industry and the economy in the country. Although they are not paid for it, they are paid precisely for nonsense ...
    1. bessmertniy 3 March 2020 09: 25 New
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      They will not try it - the toad will crush. Drones are still worth the money, but they fly in flight. lol They just talk about it and calm down.
      1. tihonmarine 3 March 2020 09: 46 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        They will not try it - the toad will crush.

        They will always find money for bad business and forget about the toad.
        1. bessmertniy 3 March 2020 09: 55 New
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          Of course, if the West throws free money for these purposes, then a little of this money will be transferred to drones. lol
          1. tihonmarine 3 March 2020 10: 01 New
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            Quote: bessmertniy
            then a little of this money will be transferred to drones.

            It’s cheaper to deliver products than give money, in the states they also know a fairy tale about the “fox Alice and the cat Basilio”.
  4. Red
    Red 3 March 2020 09: 19 New
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    Once such a booze has gone. Maybe we, following the example of Turkey, can declare that the people of Donbass close to us live in Donbass and carry out the Spring Cleaning operation and expand the territory of the DPR and LPR.
    1. Svarog 3 March 2020 09: 20 New
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      Quote: Red
      and expand the territory of the DNI and LC.

      To the borders with Poland ..
      to declare that people close to us live in Donbass

      Not close .. but our people live there ..
      1. tihonmarine 3 March 2020 09: 48 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Not close .. but our people live there.

        And those 700 years with us were not close, how to deal with them.
        1. Svarog 3 March 2020 09: 51 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          And those 700 years with us were not close, how to deal with them.

          This is also our people, they bought their elite, and it pursues a separation policy .. it’s just that the elite needs to be eliminated and everything will be formed ..
          1. tihonmarine 3 March 2020 09: 59 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            This is also our people, they bought their elite, and it pursues a separation policy .. it’s just that the elite needs to be eliminated and everything will be formed ..

            Well, if our people, it is possible to carry out "denazification" and annex to Russia.
            1. Svarog 3 March 2020 10: 01 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              Quote: Svarog
              This is also our people, they bought their elite, and it pursues a separation policy .. it’s just that the elite needs to be eliminated and everything will be formed ..

              Well, if our people, it is possible to carry out "denazification" and annex to Russia.

              I also think so, Russia should be an empire - this is the key to survival and prosperity.
              1. tihonmarine 3 March 2020 10: 24 New
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                Quote: Svarog
                I also think so, Russia should be an empire - this is the key to survival and prosperity.

                I also agree with this.
          2. Charik 3 March 2020 12: 18 New
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            lied, there are already brainwashed by the most I do not want, an example, there was one girl, here in Russia a husband with work, a child, well, everything is like normal people, the result is a divorce move to Ukraine, then the GDP came scolding, they say because everything started all bad there, and a loan came to the bank to take-ahahaha.
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  6. knn54 3 March 2020 09: 24 New
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    A little "hawks" for their own buy and try it yourself?
    1. novel66 3 March 2020 10: 22 New
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      and fly on them ourselves, as percussion weapons
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        Yes, it’s easy, they are there through one “Munchausen”)
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          meticulously noticed!
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  8. strannik1985 3 March 2020 09: 25 New
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    Turkish UAVs most likely

    Turkish, no, but cheap crafts based on civilian models with Ali Express is quite possible. But only in the republics there is some kind of air defense, and they will take retaliatory measures. In general, the escalation of the conflict is obvious.
    1. BIABIA 3 March 2020 09: 28 New
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      So these crafts already apply. They are knocked down. https://ren.tv/news/v-mire/650230-donetskie-voennye-sbili-razvedyvatelnyi-bespilotnik-vsu
      1. strannik1985 3 March 2020 09: 39 New
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        So these crafts

        They have enough purely reconnaissance, for example, the United States in 2017 they delivered 72 RQ-11B Raven to them, I'm talking about shock machines
  9. Andrei Nikolaevich 3 March 2020 09: 26 New
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    Yeah....,
  10. Grandfather Crimea 3 March 2020 09: 32 New
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    Dreaming is certainly not harmful .... But there is one BUT. In Crimea, if that (a thought inspired by victory visits) everything will end quickly and sadly, without having begun, that is, they will not have time to understand that everything is a kayuk.
    And with Donbas everything is more complicated. There the terrain is not Syrian and with air defense means it’s probably poor (if suddenly someone generously sponsors the wings of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) and a lot of things depend not on them. At least the decisions are made not by them, but by the curators.
    1. tihonmarine 3 March 2020 09: 51 New
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      Quote: Grandfather Crimea
      At least the decisions are not made by them, but by the curators.

      Who pays, he orders the music.
  11. Amateur 3 March 2020 09: 32 New
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    Okrainsky UAV.
    1. Ravil_Asnafovich 3 March 2020 09: 45 New
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      Yeah, just do not fit them, actors from the USSR.
      1. Amateur 3 March 2020 09: 52 New
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        So this is only as a prototype. If instead of Pannochka to use Julia V. (pre-strangled), instead of Homa - Turchinov, and instead of Viy - Zelensky in the costume of Napoleon, then you can get an absolute weapon. Everyone will die with laughter drinks
    2. Stalllker 3 March 2020 14: 52 New
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      There is a pilot in a skirt!
      1. Amateur 3 March 2020 14: 54 New
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        There is a pilot in a skirt!

        Not a. Pannochka died.
        1. Stalllker 3 March 2020 15: 18 New
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          I'm talking about the screen from the movie
  12. Ravil_Asnafovich 3 March 2020 09: 44 New
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    Over the past six years, at least one piece of news from banderlogy has been good ??? I haven’t heard something.
    1. Gato 3 March 2020 10: 05 New
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      at least one piece of news from banderlogy was good?

      Well this ... warehouses exploded and so, on trifles
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      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      Over the past six years, at least one piece of news from banderlogy has been good ??? I haven’t heard something.

      Of course have. And every day. The Sun is rising. True, for some reason, it is still in the east. laughing
  13. Cottodraton 3 March 2020 09: 57 New
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    And what will prevent LDNR from adopting such a strategy as that of Syrian militants or Hussites. I think APU will howl if they have to hunt for plywood planes with grenades every day.
    1. strannik1985 3 March 2020 10: 07 New
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      And what will hinder

      Nothing, action gives rise to opposition. An absolutely logical step (after all, according to the Minsk agreements, the parties are obliged to remove artillery and MLRS from the line of contact of the troops) in the conditions of a sluggish conflict.
  14. Ros 56 3 March 2020 10: 09 New
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    Let the banderlogs let their drones into action, this is just a reason for LDNR to reach Odessa.
  15. rudolff 3 March 2020 10: 16 New
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    Well, the fact that after the outbreak of hostilities in Idlib in many countries will pay attention to the successful use of UAVs is a fact. Yes, they are quite expensive and go astray, but the damage is disparate and the pilots do not die.
  16. Retvizan 8 3 March 2020 10: 24 New
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    Having three shock Turkish drones, to argue how they will dominate in the sky of Donbass, the same nonsense as talk about the successful strategy of their "masked" fleet.
  17. Mavrikiy 3 March 2020 10: 37 New
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    representatives of the Ukrainian "hawks" recalled that such vehicles are in service with the Armed Forces
    That’s what it means to not drink vodka day. repeat
  18. 7,62h54 3 March 2020 10: 42 New
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    You want Idlib, but keep Illovaysk in mind
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    Ham 3 March 2020 11: 07 New
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    they have an abyss of ideas but 9 out of 10 lead to disaster
  20. Chaldon48 3 March 2020 11: 11 New
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    In Kiev, they forgot that in order to have swarms of drones, you need to have bags of money. With whom in Ukraine things will not be arranged in the best way.
  21. Den717 3 March 2020 11: 24 New
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    Perhaps it’s worthwhile to engage in enhanced training of special operations forces of the LPR, somewhere in the depths of Siberian ores. And in the end, it's time to show your teeth in the nearest frontal enemy tactical, and maybe operational depth.
  22. Ratmir_Ryazan 3 March 2020 11: 34 New
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    defenders of the Donbass managed to bring down any, but military aircraft and helicopters, now, after so many years, Turkish UAVs are likely to be no problem for them.


    If Ukraine decides to use UAV strike in the Donbass, then the problems will be very serious !!!

    Airplanes and helicopters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces militiamen struck with the help of MANPADS, and Turkish-made UAVs fly much higher than the upper boundary of the defeat of MANPADS or SAMs of the Arrow 10 type.

    Syria, with the support of Russia, armed with more advanced S-400, S-300, Buki, and Shell air defense systems, Su-30/34/35 fighters, and for several days they were actually paralyzed after an attack by several Turkish UAVs and suffered huge losses, and Donbass was significantly will be harder.

    Moreover, the loss of UAVs is always considered not as a tragedy, but as a feature of the application. But the casualties in technology and people in the SAA are simply huge and it really became a Turkish breakthrough and the best advertisement for Turkish strike UAVs, which have no analogues in Russia.

    Russian generals are more likely to send for slaughter another Su-25 squadron than admit Russia's backlog in the military sphere and begin to correct this situation.

    It was necessary to correct not even yesterday, but after 1982 and the defeat of the Soviet air defense divisions in Syria by Israel during the operation "Medvedka 19", but nothing has changed in our 40 years, and KAZ didn’t have any tanks, but but Israel has already learned to hit not only cumulative shells, but also sub-caliber.

    It seems that they only do equipment here in order to ride on Red Square on May 9, it’s not suitable for anything more than to irrigate a soldier in it.

    I’m just tired of this situation, no words.
    1. bk316 3 March 2020 16: 21 New
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      and begin to correct this situation.

      What do you mean? UAVs are not at war with each other yet, and it will be necessary to hammer 404 on the ground, they will simply cover with MLRS or generally with iskanderaimi.
    2. Crimean partisan 1974 7 March 2020 08: 18 New
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      and the same Israel has already learned to hit not only cumulative shells, but also sub-caliber.
      ......what the hell. so according to srail? show a video where KAZ deals with a sub-projectile that wouldn’t be a yap
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan 7 March 2020 11: 43 New
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        Israel itself has already learned to hit not only cumulative shells, but also sub-caliber.
        ......what the hell. so according to srail?


        And what reason do you have to doubt it?

        Try to think with your head for a variety of reasons.

        What are the consequences of an anti-missile explosion on a projectile flying up to a tank?

        The trajectory will change and the caliber projectile will not penetrate the armor.

        Unlike Russia, Israel is actively and successfully developing in this direction and is already putting KAZ on tanks and even exporting this technology.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974 7 March 2020 11: 54 New
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          The trajectory will change and the sub-caliber projectile will not penetrate the armor ..... as I understand it, the video will not ..... now about the interception of “crowbars," actually .. at the section of the trunk, the "crowbar" has a speed of about 2000 meters per second, at a distance of 2000 meters from the target, the “scrap” will have about 1200 meters per second, now you’ll have one important detail in your head - the KAZ reaction rate. it is much higher from the moment of capturing the "scrap" to the launch of a counter-shot. ... At the moment, the reaction of the rate of resetting false targets is higher than 0.012. but it takes 0.0002 seconds to intercept the "crowbars" .... this is the rationale and this is why there are no shootings to intercept the "crowbars" and cannot be
  23. Dimy4 3 March 2020 11: 34 New
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    Ukraine has three Turkish drones? Yes, with such an amount, you can already take Crimea back, it is strange that they have not thought of it yet, the degree of brain damage allows.
  24. 113262a 3 March 2020 12: 25 New
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    The non-brothers and their small ones, such as the Furies and our Outpost, have a decent amount, and they constantly fly over their territory, fly into ours. So the service staff is studying. Ours is all sooooo economical, and flights and quantity.
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    Well, if it wasn’t nonsense, Hussites like R-27 shot down Abrekovsky F-15 with a home-made ground-based PU
  26. Barmaleyka 3 March 2020 12: 25 New
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    In Ukraine, the idea arose to repeat the “Turkish experience of Idlib” in the Donbas
    so can Russia repeat the Turkish experience of idlib in the Donbass ?!
  27. Vladimir Mashkov 3 March 2020 13: 35 New
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    Impressed by the number of Turkish drones. Thought them much less.
    1. nov_tech.vrn 8 March 2020 18: 59 New
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      about 120 pieces - it was!
  28. Stalllker 3 March 2020 14: 50 New
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    Only they forgot that Ukraine does not join the NATO bloc and will definitely fly back in response to them.
  29. silver_roman 3 March 2020 16: 54 New
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    kakly understand that there are no Syrians in the Donbass? that will have to fight with the "ichtamnets")))
  30. codetalker 5 March 2020 12: 29 New
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    What kind of experience do they want to repeat? It’s pathetic to announce that free the territory by the end of the month, to get rich and crawl to Moscow on its belly?
  31. Vlad5307 5 March 2020 12: 47 New
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    Once such a booze has gone. Maybe we, following the example of Turkey, can declare that the people of Donbass close to us live in Donbass and carry out the Spring Cleaning operation and expand the territory of the DPR and LPR.

    It was not necessary to merge Mariupol in 2015 - now there would be fewer problems for the DPR.
  32. nov_tech.vrn 8 March 2020 07: 20 New
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    In two weeks, the Turks lost at least 20% of their drones, beautifully in the picture, but even the Syrians learned to shoot them, and Haftar in Libya, by the way, too. It is worth noting did not immediately learn