About the events in the Argun gorge in 2000. Why didn’t you notice a large group of militants

On the eve of our country remembered the tragic and at the same time heroic date - the 20th anniversary of the feat of the Pskov paratroopers at an altitude of 776 in the Chechen Republic. Russian President Vladimir Putin visited Pskov, where he took part in commemorative events dedicated to the heroes who restrained the militants of Basayev and Khattab.

For what happened on the night of March 1 in the Chechen mountains, for the channel "Sladkov +" tells the special forces officer, who had long served in the special forces "Alpha" Andrei Lobanov.

Having returned that day after completing a combat mission, Andrei Lobanov listened to the radio. On the radio, he heard one of the officers of the 6th airborne company talking with the call sign “Skipper”.

According to Lobanov, there were replicas that it was necessary to advance to the aid of the 6th company:

There were replicas from the commander of the 104th regiment. They all worked to help.

Alexander Sladkov:

There were many militants in the mountains at that time?

Andrey Lobanov:

Yes many. This is 1999-2000. The most such peak. The gut is everywhere. Again, somewhere they were hiding, somewhere they went to some villages.

Alexander Sladkov:

And how did it happen that the military did not notice the movement of a large number of militants?

Andrey Lobanov:

So their commanders were also not students. Many of them were officers of the relevant services, armies, and special forces. The same Khattab. We must pay tribute, they acted secretly, skillfully disguised.

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Comments

[Vend]

Once I had a chance to talk to an artilleryman who supported the 6th company paratroopers with fire. So he said that "they fired so often that even the solid ones started flowing."

[Alex_You]

they fired so often that even the one-piece flowed

What is a one-piece product?

[Vend]

Quote: Alex_You

they fired so often that even the one-piece flowed

What is a one-piece product?

I understand that this is part of the sight, but it’s better to ask the gunners.

[Artillerist]

Xs.
You can’t do without iksperds

[Basil50]

That's about all the other issues.
First, reasoning, and then what exactly is it?
Opinions of amateurs are generally categorical and very loud and irresponsible.
Not everyone has the courage to admit incompetence

[Basil50]

In Chechnya, due to tribal society, one bandit forces the rest to be accomplices. For any criminal community, these are ideal conditions.
If there was a tribeman with a gang of mercenaries, then everyone was hidden, including non-Muslims from Europe. That is exactly how they hid mercenaries from around the world in mountain villages. And of course, a phenomenal venality erected in a cult.
He witnessed the expulsion from the Chechen family who refused to help the bandit, a distant relative and his accomplices

[carstorm 11]

you hear. bearded defenders. what homeland and from whom did they defend there? you are already in the end. slaves in every locality is the defense of the homeland? Is cutting off the heads of prisoners a defense of the homeland? terrorist attacks in the capital of the country is the defense of the homeland? such as you eccentrics in the letter m must be found and planted by security officials. where does the process conduct online so that the whole country looks like people like you look.

[dzvero]

This is an oil seal that has not yet leaked

[Glory1974]

they fired so often that even the solid ones started to flow. "

During the battle, the gunners fired 1240 shells. Probably could have done more.
At one time, when we were supported by an artillery battery, the consumption of shells reached 2000 pieces. per day.

[max702]

As for me, they simply framed the company .. For the passage of the gang, it was paid, and no one took seriously one company, and she took it and tried it .. Therefore, the support was not so hot and they helped me for a day .. sold the guys .. Nothing I can’t explain it to others .. And if by some miracle it’s not so that the higher ranks that commanded then the group must be judged by a military tribunal for flagrant negligence and incompetence ..

[kind]

Quote: Alex_You

they fired so often that even the one-piece flowed

What is a one-piece product?

The seals flowed on the hydraulic brake recoil guns.

[Yrec]

Quote: Wend

Once I had a chance to talk to an artilleryman who supported the 6th company paratroopers with fire. So he said that "they fired so often that even the solid ones started flowing."

If this were true, the 6th company would not have died in full force, or beaten in milk. For almost a day of the battle, help did not come to them. There is only one video, as the commander of the 104th regiment mumbled something about help, Troshin was personally aware of the battle, but apart from the order "Not one step back!" I could not give birth to anything. None of the command bore any responsibility for the death of the company, but why? Because nobody did anything! And for inaction, even if it is criminal, no one was punished at that time!

[Vend]

Quote: Yrec

Quote: Wend

Once I had a chance to talk to an artilleryman who supported the 6th company paratroopers with fire. So he said that "they fired so often that even the solid ones started flowing."

If this were true, the 6th company would not have died in full force, or beaten in milk. For almost a day of the battle, help did not come to them. There is only one video, as the commander of the 104th regiment mumbled something about help, Troshin was personally aware of the battle, but apart from the order "Not one step back!" I could not give birth to anything. None of the command bore any responsibility for the death of the company, but why? Because nobody did anything! And for inaction, even if it is criminal, no one was punished at that time!

As they say, for what I bought, for that I sell it.

[The popuas]

Troshev ... Gennady Troshev ... earth rest in peace!

[kapitan92]

The kingdom of heaven is the Pskov paratroopers who died at an altitude of 776.
Thanks to the author of the article for publishing the interview with A. Lobanov.

[Glory1974]

The company of Major Zotov died in the first campaign, as General Troshev writes in his memoirs.
In the second - 6 companies of the Pskov paratroopers.
The most offensive is that none of the big generals is to blame, although their fault is direct.
In addition to the big commanders, I would like to express to the direct commanders of the airborne forces.
They acted together with the paratroopers, including with 104 PDP. The paratroopers told us: "You were lucky with the commanders. Load on the armored personnel carriers and BMD and go, and they force us to carry everything on ourselves."
Why did you need to go to the mountains and drag potbelly stoves, tents and other rubbish on yourself? What, it was impossible to bring on an armor or a helicopter? Not to mention that property could be thrown out with parachutes, you could just throw everything out of a hinged turntable. This is not only about that battle, but about all the operations that we carried out together. It's not exercises, it's a war. And the soldiers are carrying b / c, heavy machine guns and other weapons, and here also the rear equipment.
Why didn’t other batteries shoot? Why was there no target designation? Where is aviation, including all-weather?
Why did not the helicopter with the thermal intelligence complex pre-comb the terrain? This was already in the early 2000s.
All these questions are answered by the fathers-commanders. It is necessary to disassemble and study this battle in the smallest episodes in schools so that this does not happen again.
While studying at the academy, at the command and staff war game, one figure decides to send the company forward to mislead the enemy regarding the front line of defense. To my question, does he understand that the company will completely die, he replied that this is a war and without casualties, But he will be guaranteed to win. As long as our commanders will be with such psychology, such tragedies will be repeated. Unfortunately.
Honor and glory to those who perished for their homeland. Everlasting memory!

[Ros 56]

I once heard the expression that someone’s feat is usually a forced correction of someone’s gouging. At first I was indignant, and after thinking, I came to the conclusion that quite often this is what happens.

[ohka_new]

A more accurate expression - heroes are needed where there are no professionals

[svoit]

Quote: glory1974

But he is guaranteed to win.

This means that many more lives will be saved.
In this case, it was approximately the same, the bandits, although they did not suffer heavy losses, but this forced to change plans for a campaign in Dagestan (although the subsequent concentration of troops also contributed). Probably it was possible to get by with smaller victims, but everyone is strong in hindsight. It’s a pity for the dead Heroes, but it will be even worse if experience is not learned.

[Alex_You]

Quote: Good

Quote: Alex_You

they fired so often that even the one-piece flowed

What is a one-piece product?

The seals flowed on the hydraulic brake recoil guns.

Thank you.

[fif21]

Remember silently.

[iouris]

One gets the impression that everyone who knows how to read "between the lines" should understand everything, and those who were around already know everything. Only now the story has already been written and it does not know the subjunctive mood.

[KUBANET Alexander Panyukov]

Lie.
The 6th company was stupidly framed.

[cat Rusich]

The story of the 6th company of paratroopers resembles the breakthrough of militants from Grozny on the night of January 29-30, 2000. Grozny, the same "overlaid" from all sides (the likelihood of a breakthrough of the militants to the north is very doubtful), and several THOUSAND militants left anyway ... Where did more than a thousand or so militants and their leaders go on March 1-2, 2000? I remember the landing operation in December 1999 on the Georgian-Chechen border. Then they were able to drop paratroopers in the rear of the militants, and then the border guards, who were able to gain a foothold at the given lines. Could the paratroopers of the 6th company be delivered to the height 776 by turntables, could it have been delivered to the height with more BC and heavier weapons? - or is "not flying" weather a universal excuse?