The network reports the landing of several Il-76 military transporters at the Khmeimim base

Lebanese informational resources write that several Il-76 military transport aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces have landed at the Khmeimim airbase in the Syrian province of Latakia over the past few hours.

These reports state that during the day at the Khmeimima airfield 7 IL-76 transporters landed, as well as two Tu-154 aircraft.

Lebanese correspondents speculate that these actions of the Russian Air Force “are somehow related to yesterday’s events in Idlib and Damascus’s announcement of the closure of airspace over this Syrian province.”

There is currently no official confirmation of information on the flights of the IL-76 and Tu-154 aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces to Latakia.

Recall that the day before, Turkish F-16 fighters shot down two Su-24 bombers in the sky over Idlib. The Syrian pilots managed to eject. Earlier, Turkey lost at least 6 of its drummers in Idlib droneswho attacked SAA positions.

At the same time, Senator Lindsay Graham, who is considered one of the main supporters of President Donald Trump in the Senate, called on the White House to "put an end to the suffering of the Syrian civilian population and introduce a no-fly zone over the country." According to Graham, this will "avoid new casualties among civilians." This is not the first proposal from American politicians to introduce a no-fly zone over Syria. Moreover, the world is already aware that, according to American logic, a no-fly zone is one in which flights are prohibited for any aviation, except aviation countries of NATO. An example is the Libyan scenario and its consequences.

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[Mavrikiy]

called on the White House to "put an end to the suffering of the civilian population of Syria and introduce a no-fly zone over the country."

Goby leads on a US rope. Is it correct? It is thanks to aviation that they manage to keep barmales in burrows.

[Grits]

Quote: Olya Tsako

at the same time, without the effective support of the Russian Aerospace Forces, the Syrian army has very little chance of confronting the terrorists supported by Turkey,

I don’t understand why our VKS stopped barmaley? If the Turkish military (convoys, armored vehicles, self-propelled guns, drones) is more or less clear - our cowardice does not allow scratching the Turkish military - a member of NATO, then why did the militants become afraid? After all, they, along with the Tureks, now for the remaining days will completely roll the remains of combat-ready Syrian units into the ground. Who then will fight on earth?

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: serzh.kost

But it is not all that bad. it was worth landing drones and the Turks no longer have such an advantage. it turned out even so you can resist the second strongest army in the galaxy. Russians harnessed for a long time, the same was in ruin and 08.08.08.

Time will tell whether the SAA can recover from the Turkish strikes, because they patted them very well, and even if the Turkish statements about Syrian losses are divided by 2, then the losses are big anyway. If we can still help the Syrian army restore equipment (although, again, how fast will delivery be?), Then the Syrian army has limited human resources, and speaking of combat-ready units with experience, it will be very difficult to replace them, only if Iran and Hezbollah help people, and we with technology can be and it will be possible to fix everything .... but why run the situation to such a level? I don’t understand this.

[alexmach]

Stupidly firmly observance of the Sochi agreements in the expectation that the situation will be able to freeze the fifth

I would say that overall the behavior is understandable. It is not clear why in such a situation was to develop this offensive in Idlib? Why was it developed when the Turks began to unequivocally prepare for a military operation?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: alexmach

Stupidly firmly observance of the Sochi agreements in the expectation that the situation will be able to freeze the fifth

I would say that overall the behavior is understandable. It is not clear why in such a situation was to develop this offensive in Idlib? Why was it developed when the Turks began to unequivocally prepare for a military operation?

I also "puzzled" over this riddle. And ... I couldn't think of anything. Here, as in an old joke, it turns out:
Let's hit those guys over there.
Wait, what if they start to beat us?
And us for what?

Well, or also a conspiracy theological version. That those who made this decision are among the participants of the HE site. And just then they were firmly convinced, and some shouted even yesterday (as for example Sarmat Sanych yesterday) that

And the reality is that Erdogashka is just as dead as his warriors

PS Since it does not fit into normal logic. And to take to the show off, this means discarding not only the Turkish warning, but also all intelligence data. And the fact that such data were, is 154%. The Turks did not even hide the preparations!

[alexmach]

Well, or also a conspiracy theological version. That those who made this decision are among the participants of the HE site. And just then they were firmly convinced

Yes, it’s very similar, but most likely everything is much simpler
1. starting the operation did not calculate the possible consequences
2. when the Turks raised the hype and began to prepare for a military operation, they did not react to it in time, or hoped to "take it on a show-off" or "maybe". Perhaps they expect that in spite of everything it will be possible to consolidate at least the positions already taken.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Leshy1975

Quote: alexmach

Stupidly firmly observance of the Sochi agreements in the expectation that the situation will be able to freeze the fifth

I would say that overall the behavior is understandable. It is not clear why in such a situation was to develop this offensive in Idlib? Why was it developed when the Turks began to unequivocally prepare for a military operation?

I also "puzzled" over this riddle. And ... I couldn't think of anything. Here, as in an old joke, it turns out:
Let's hit those guys over there.
Wait, what if they start to beat us?
And us for what?

Well, or also a conspiracy theological version. That those who made this decision are among the participants of the HE site. And just then they were firmly convinced, and some shouted even yesterday (as for example Sarmat Sanych yesterday) that

And the reality is that Erdogashka is just as dead as his warriors

PS Since it does not fit into normal logic. And to take to the show off, this means discarding not only the Turkish warning, but also all intelligence data. And the fact that such data were, is 154%. The Turks did not even hide the preparations!

Correct - 164%

[Old Michael]

Correct - 164%

For the sake of one phrase, was it necessary to quote the commented post in full?
Yes, this is not prohibited by the rules of the forum, but at least minimal respect for readers and an elementary forum culture does not require any effort.
Shame on overkaters!

[Old Michael]

Shame on overkaters!

Someone was very offended, minus heavy caliber!
I can’t believe that marshals can react so blasphemously to a rebuke ...

[not main]

Quote: OldMichael

Shame on overkaters!

Someone was very offended, minus heavy caliber!
I can’t believe that marshals can react so blasphemously to a rebuke ...

Easy! And who are the marshals?

[Malyuta]

Quote: non-primary

Easy! And who are the marshals?

That is the question

Quote: OldMichael

I can’t believe that marshals can react so blasphemously to a rebuke ...

Yes, to hell with them with these minuses, it is disgusting that no one justifies them. One gets the feeling that on the resource there is some kind of bitterness of someone against someone. I tried to ask, but in a strange way, the comments disappeared, with the questioners and the questioner, by the way, not on a political article, but on a historical ..

[Kostyar]

We are already afraid of sneezing in the direction of Turkey. Stupidly firmly observance of the Sochi agreements in the expectation that the situation will be able to freeze on the fifth.

We are not afraid, especially not the military are afraid, but the vile and cowardly traitors-politicians, as always with an eye to the west .....

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: rudolff

And you recall the apologizing tone of our statements regarding the deaths of three dozen Turkish troops.

Everything is clear here. Where to fight with the Turks (and someone serious), given the weak, dependent economy, with a base on the export of hydrocarbons. You have to run between the drops - play on the ambitions of Erdogan in relations with the states. They thought that he had nowhere to go.

[flicker]

And you will recall the apologizing tone of our statements regarding the deaths of three dozen Turkish troops. They didn’t tell us, we didn’t know, by chance, it wasn’t us ... That reduced the attacks on the militants that the Turks might be there. We’re already afraid of sneezing in the direction of Turkey.

Well, that's right.
And you can dig some explanations here

We were not informed, we did not know

And if we weren’t informed ... and not intentionally informed ?!
Those. if the Turkish side didn’t intentionally tell us that the Turkish military are at this facility, it is with the expectation that we will overwhelm them!
After that, this fact of the death of the Turkish military received operational and unprecedented media coverage.
Those. Before, losses were hidden, but here, on the contrary, they were presented with a special scope and with details causing a particularly strong emotional reaction: the air was littered with shots of killed and wounded delivered by ambulance. The Turks began to boil with rage, politicians began to speak one more warlike than the other - right up to the war with Russia.
Those. there is a Turkish provocation, like the German operation "Canned Food".
And finally, this operation was carried out without Erdogan’s knowledge and in order to put Erdogan in front of a choice: either oust Russia from Syria (read: war with Russia), or the Turkish people will overthrow him.

[flicker]

I don’t understand why our VKS stopped barmaley?

Because how to beat it is necessary not by barmaley, but by the Turks.
This is another military task, requiring a different operation and time for regrouping forces.
In addition, the situation for Erdogan in Turkey is developing extremely badly. Despite statements by the Turkish leadership about several dozen killed Turkish military, Turkey mourns several hundred killed their sons (and those who communicate with the Turks say that the losses are for a couple of thousand). So the Turks pay huge losses for local successes.
Increasingly, demands are being made to remove Erdogan, moreover, it is not just about resignation. Plus, someone from Erdogan’s entourage (especially the military and not only the military, remember the unprecedented informational noise due to the death of the Turkish military) is clearly working against him. Let's not forget that the geldings will never be forgiven Erdogan.
As a result, the situation for Erdogan is almost critical. He (like a sacrificial sheep) was driven into a situation where only victory in Idlib can save him. And given the position of Russia, this is unlikely, hence the absurd statement to Russia to leave Assad to the extreme, only this is proposed out of despair.
So on March 5th, we seem to be trying to help him again. And only a change of course can help him - a rejection of neo-Ottomanism and a sweep of American agents, whom in Turkey in bulk, alone is worth Fidan.

[atalef]

Quote: flicker

In addition, the situation for Erdogan in Turkey is developing extremely badly.

wonderful.

Quote: flicker

(and those who communicate with the Turks say that losses for a couple of thousand).

why not hundreds of thousands

Quote: flicker

when only victory in Idlib can save him. And given the position of Russia, this is unlikely

as reality shows otherwise

Quote: flicker

So on March 5th, we seem to be trying to help him again.

Who would doubt that

Quote: flicker

And only a change of course can help him - a rejection of neo-Ottomanism and a sweep of American agents, whom in Turkey in bulk, alone is worth Fidan.

in general, horses mixed in your comment. people.
No logic or consistency.
And through everything goes the thread - Russia controls all processes.
Calm down is not the case. doesn’t rule everything.

[flicker]

Take it easy

They are controlled by geldings, we only react.
It was the geldings that turned Turkey on the path of neo-Ottomanism. And this path presupposes the return of "their" territories, which we are seeing now. Turks are in Syria, Libya, Iraq and Cyprus. This policy will eventually end in collapse for Turkey.
Once again, it is not Russia that rules, the USA that rules, so you can not worry.

[Kitty77]

This Israeli fellow doesn’t outrun, He just throws ... at the fan

[flicker]

This Israeli fellow is not outstripping

So much the worse for him.
Since for American financial tycoons (and among them there are many Jews), Israeli Jews are the same consumables as Arabs and Turks.

[The popuas]

By airplanes Edik "gifts" pivezli

[Federal1]

It’s funny to watch this show, although I’m sure no one understands why such money and life were spent on a war that is unnecessary for Russia, for the sake of a couple of bases? Yes, for that kind of money you could already open 10 nearby. In fact, Turkey brings us much closer than Syria. Some kind of nonsense .. It seems that at the top they simply measure off who is thicker and longer and want to win back the fiasco in Ukraine in 14g, the pros are overlapped by minuses at times.

[Garris199]

Because how to beat it is necessary not by barmaley, but by the Turks.
This is another military task, requiring a different operation and time for regrouping forces.

Suddenly. Like snow in the winter.

[flicker]

Suddenly. Like snow in the winter.

Suddenly, like snow in Israel.
For brazenly declare that Idlib is Turkish, after they agreed in writing on the territorial integrity of Syria. And at the same time threaten a nuclear power with war. What is beyond madness.
Our goal: to enlighten Turkey, to try diplomatically (and this is the time), open our eyes to the Russian military potential (and this is also time), and, finally, if they don’t understand anything, then bang (and this is also time).
So, quickly only cats give birth.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: flicker

Our goal: to persuade Turkey, to try diplomatically (and this is the time), open our eyes to the Russian military potential (and this is also the time), and, finally, if they don’t understand anything, then bang

neither will bang nor admonition will work. Rather, they will admonish us (Russia). Moreover - without military action.

1. Russia today is closely dependent on the issue of the implementation of a number of energy projects from Turkey, with which we seem to be supposed to fight, defending Syria.
Ankara may hit Moscow’s energy projects. Turkey itself does not experience any problems with gas supplies, but for Russia, the termination of the Turkish Stream operation will be a serious image blow, since it means a complete collapse of the strategy for constructing bypass gas pipelines around Ukraine. Alternatively, the Turks can simply sharply increase the tariffs for pumping gas.

2. Erdogan began openly blackmailing Europe with Syrian refugees. For poignancy, the Turks release them in small batches, but if Ankara so desires, migrants will flood the EU with millions. Europe will howl and will put pressure on Moscow (including economically and sanctionally) so that Russia ceases active support of Assad.

3. Union Damascus Tehran has its own interests in the SAR, which often do not coincide with the Russian ones.

Assad’s miracle Idlib rested only on the support of the Russian Aerospace Forces. It will not be there - and the already worn-out (quite a few days Turkish operations) ATS troops will not stand it. But Russia has already missed the time when it was necessary to act actively, and now they will try to actively squeeze us out of the SAR

[flicker]

1. Russia today is closely dependent on the implementation of a number of energy projects from Turkey

depends ... dependence is a mutual thing.

Turkey does not have any problems with gas supplies,

Well, first of all, is she testing, secondly, where is she getting from Azerbaijan?
"image hit", there is no image hit, there are economic losses, and, once again, economic losses are always mutual (someone did not sell, who did not buy)
"complete collapse of strategies" also no, Nord Stream-2, postponed in time, we, once again - we are already selling liquefied gas to Europe
"The pumping rates will be increased" I repeat again, this is all mutual - the consequences will be disentangled by the European economy, the Turks will say thanks.

Erdogan began to openly blackmail Europe

He also comes around

Union Damascus Tehran has its own interests in the SAR, which often do not coincide with the Russian ones.

only "often do not coincide" ... and they do not completely coincide with the Turkish ones.

[vm-bt]

from the side of the sultan is continuous blackmail. and so yes ... bananarivo !!!!!

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Gritsa

I don’t understand why our VKS stopped barmaley?

they are afraid of hooking the Turks that hang around in the ranks of the barmalei. A precedent has already been. But instead of sharply reacting to the accusations and sending them on a long sexual journey, they suddenly began to apologize for no reason.

[vm-bt]

This is not cowardice, but calculated restraint

[serzh.kost]

Good news in the morning comes from Syria.

1. The Syrian army recaptured Sarakib from Turkey and the HTS / SNA militants. Heavy battles for the city have been going on since yesterday evening, but they took the city only in the morning, the militants crawled to Afes and Nairab. The city was stormed by "Forces of the Tiger" and "Hezbollah" with the support of artillery and aviation. There are tangible losses on both sides. It should be noted that despite the heavy losses of the Syrians in the previous days, they were able to get together and again go on the offensive.

2. At night, a Turkish column was hit in the area of ​​the Turkish observation post in Kminas. There are dead and wounded. 300s were taken out by helicopters and ambulances to Hatay province. Serious losses of Turkish special forces in battles for Sarakib are also reported. According to unconfirmed reports, Russia has been actively using jammers against Turkish drones since yesterday. Also, Russia yesterday refused to guarantee the safety of Turkish aircraft in the airspace of Idlib.

3. In the south today, attempts by the Turks and militants are expected to take Kafr Nabl and advance to the Al-Gab plain and the mountainous regions of Zawiya. In addition, one can expect attempts to counterattack on Sarakib with the support of Turkish artillery and drones. In the morning, the fighting went west and northwest of Kafr Nabl.

[maiman61]

And what are you minus! You can’t get the truth!

[Grandfather Crimea]

If they do not fly, it means it has become dangerous, they are reinsured. Losing airplanes in vain is not worth it (they also have pilots). They recaptured a large territory - they will beat this one as well. It is necessary that the Syrians steered a bit, in vain did they drag them in, helped with what they could?

[Puler]

The sofa does not press ??? the situation there * is dynamic ... If you had even a little insight ... you wouldn’t write nonsense.

[codetalker]

Territory controlled by terrorists in Syria is steadily decreasing, the Turks drove themselves into a hopeless situation. And only the "experts" at the military observe the stunning success of the Turkish campaign and the inaction of the RF Armed Forces ...

[Bar1]

so now, what are we going to carry cargoes to Syria by air?
So Merhaba is an Asker Turkish, as Putin said.

[Livonetc]

A couple of days ago passed BDK Orsk.
Now the planes.

[bayard]

Here, more quickly, there is a transfer of military air defense means, it has obviously been lacking recently. Cargo will have to be carried from the Baltic, and by air.

[Romario_Argo]

most likely S-400 for the Dumeir air base near Damascus
We are also waiting for the transfer of fighters, bombers and turntables to the VKS
Moreover, our air defense systems at AB Dumeir have been deployed since 2017
* fiery greetings to Israel - just like Lavrov

[bayard]

Under Damascus, the S-400 may seem excessive - the distances are small, and besides, I'm not sure that the S-400 will be included in the Il-76. Now it is military air defense - "Pantsiri", "Torah", "Buki", Wasp "or" Strela-10 "for covering the near zone along the front.
And to be honest, a couple of S-300 or S-400 divisions would not hurt, but they need Ruslans.
And of course, aviation, especially fighter ... In the light of what is happening ... it surprises me, what the hell the last couple of years, the purchase of military aircraft for the airborne forces was halved? When you need them so much.

[Romario_Argo]

Under Damascus, the S-400 may seem redundant

I think just right, from the Axes from the sea, also flies from the side of Jordan, and so that Israel's F-16s could not hide behind the mountains of Antilivan
well, in the long run, the introduction of a no-fly zone at Mount Tanf on the border with the subsequent evacuation of Americans

[bayard]

Quote: Romario_Argo

also flies from Jordan, and so that Israel’s F-16s could not hide behind the mountains of Antilivan
well, in the long run, the introduction of a no-fly zone at Mount Tanf on the border with the subsequent evacuation of Americans

It's a good intention, just to brush off the S-400 axes won't it be too fat? For low-altitude targets, its range is no more than that of the "Pantsir", and the S-400 missile will probably be more expensive than an ax.
But flightless for At-Tanf - this is good. It is very useful .

[Romario_Argo]

from Toporov we have EW Krasukha-4 with a range of brain burning up to 300 km
but from the 2nd wave against carriers: F-18, F-22, V-1V, V-2, V-52N - the S-400 will just fit

[bayard]

I agree with the need for at least two more divisions of heavy complexes, I was confused about axes from the sea as targets for the S-400. Penguins drove their aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean, so we need them.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Romario_Argo

from Toporov we have EW Krasukha-4 with a range of brain burning up to 300 km
but from the 2nd wave against carriers: F-18, F-22, V-1V, V-2, V-52N - the S-400 will just fit

Electronic warfare from Axes? You are probably an EW specialist by education or profession? If not, let me remind you that any electronic warfare axes do not care, they fly according to a given program. Well, about "brain burning" - it's strong! Can you share where you got it from?

[Romario_Argo]

where did you get it?

(+) on wikipedia, the link to the yellow press

[Romario_Argo]

Any EW do not care for axes, they fly according to a given program

and according to satellite corrections via the Link channel, and GPS - and the EW Krasuha clogs these channels with noise, also shifts the GPS coordinates leading the rocket away

[Doliva63]

Quote: Romario_Argo

Any EW do not care for axes, they fly according to a given program

and according to satellite corrections via the Link channel, and GPS - and the EW Krasuha clogs these channels with noise, also shifts the GPS coordinates leading the rocket away

Well, that is, you are not an expert in electronic warfare, of course. But Axes use an inertial navigation system and do not use any corrections. Therefore, no electronic warfare will help. Pour yourself 100 gr., Calm down and remember - they can only be knocked down, if there is anything.

[Romario_Argo]

And Axes use an inertial navigation system

The RB-271A “Krasukha-4” ground-based electronic jamming module (index 1RL257) is capable of generating interference and dazzling navigation systems and weapons, and incapacitating state-of-the-art enemy technology packed with electronics.
Example:
KR Tomahawk flies at an altitude of 200 m, “Kraukha 4” creates radiation that affects its electronics. And she accepts false data that she is at an altitude of, for example, 1000 m. Having received such information, the rocket, according to the program laid down to her, begins to decline to the required height
The result is obvious intentionally drop Axes
In 2015, in Syria, the ground module "Krasukha-4" was used in combat conditions. A significant number of American Tomahawk missiles were withdrawn from targets.
During the exercises, in which, besides the “Krasuha”, the Su-24 and Su-34 participated, the planes could not fulfill their tasks, “blinded” by the radio exposure of the ground-based electronic warfare system

[Doliva63]

Quote: Romario_Argo

And Axes use an inertial navigation system

The RB-271A “Krasukha-4” ground-based electronic jamming module (index 1RL257) is capable of generating interference and dazzling navigation systems and weapons, and incapacitating state-of-the-art enemy technology packed with electronics.
Example:
KR Tomahawk flies at an altitude of 200 m, “Kraukha 4” creates radiation that affects its electronics. And she accepts false data that she is at an altitude of, for example, 1000 m. Having received such information, the rocket, according to the program laid down to her, begins to decline to the required height
The result is obvious intentionally drop Axes
In 2015, in Syria, the ground module "Krasukha-4" was used in combat conditions. A significant number of American Tomahawk missiles were withdrawn from targets.
During the exercises, in which, besides the “Krasuha”, the Su-24 and Su-34 participated, the planes could not fulfill their tasks, “blinded” by the radio exposure of the ground-based electronic warfare system

You did not understand. Axes on the route do not accept any information. Generally. They cannot accept any false data. Got it? They detect the target through the optical channel. What does EW have to do with it?

[Romario_Argo]

You did not understand. Axes on the route do not accept any information

EW Krasuha-4 can crush a powerful interference radio altimeter rockets.
In the event of a failure of this system, the rocket immediately rises several hundred meters. This is done to prevent the Tomahawk from colliding with objects on the ground. Having gained altitude, the rocket becomes vulnerable to air defense
But suppressing the radio altimeter is not easy. It has a very weak return signal, which, moreover, is directed strictly vertically. Therefore, the "jammer" must cover huge areas with obstacles. For this, it must have a very serious power capacity and be installed at a height of tens of meters. The higher the jamming station is, the further it can "crush" enemy signals. But such a "jammer" is effective only when it covers the "missile-dangerous direction". That is, areas of the terrain located close to the missile flight route. Otherwise, it is useless.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Romario_Argo

You did not understand. Axes on the route do not accept any information

EW Krasuha-4 can crush a powerful interference radio altimeter rockets.
In the event of a failure of this system, the rocket immediately rises several hundred meters. This is done to prevent the Tomahawk from colliding with objects on the ground. Having gained altitude, the rocket becomes vulnerable to air defense
But suppressing the radio altimeter is not easy. It has a very weak return signal, which, moreover, is directed strictly vertically. Therefore, the "jammer" must cover huge areas with obstacles. For this, it must have a very serious power capacity and be installed at a height of tens of meters. The higher the jamming station is, the further it can "crush" enemy signals. But such a "jammer" is effective only when it covers the "missile-dangerous direction". That is, areas of the terrain located close to the missile flight route. Otherwise, it is useless.

I somehow do not know about the altimeter, honestly, I did not delve into or forgot already. But you must admit, if the Yankees decide to hit with Axes, then serviceable everyone will achieve the goal.

[Romario_Argo]

agree, if the Yankees decide to hit with Axes, then serviceable everyone will achieve the goal

Well, only if serviceable "Tomahawks" reach
BUT, again, before the ZRPK Shell-C1 (!)
And again, depending on what goals
for example:
if the checkpoint is made of concrete goods, GPS is disabled, and the Ax falls 10 meters away - the result is "0"
if the S-300 mobile radar, and a miss of 5-10 meters, then the radar will be limitedly operational with fewer emitters
if the hangar at the airbase - 100% defeat (IL-76)
if the caponier at the airbase and miss 10 meters - the plane will survive (Mig-25PD)
what other examples do you have - (?)
Consider
* everything is in the details (!)

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Romario_Argo

most likely S-400 for the Dumeir air base near Damascus

S-400 can be transported only by Ruslans An-124. In the 76th they do not intermeddle. Which sides landed in Syria?

S-400s will not be taken to the SAR (at least, they will not transfer air defense to Syria, the only places where they can be based are Khmeimim and Tartus). Do not forget that the Syrians are not able to handle the 400 system - do you propose to plant Russian calculations?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: bayard

Here, more quickly, there is a transfer of military air defense means, it has obviously been lacking recently. Cargo will have to be carried from the Baltic, and by air.

And what have the Bosphorus already been blocked?

[bayard]

Not yet, but aviation is much faster. By sea - ammunition and consumables, and the complexes themselves with operational ammunition are needed right now - the Turks have already intensified in the south of Idlib. The sky must be shut tight.
And the radar field at medium and low altitudes must be increased - this is a completely different war.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Vol4ara

And what have the Bosphorus already been blocked?

although aviation is the most expensive form of transport, it is the fastest. And spared (in many ways) from surprises and force majeure (like bad weather or the actions of our "friends" at sea)

[max702]

I wonder what they brought .. In Ilah, the equipment, in TUSHKI calculations? Strengthen air defense?

[mitroha]

The horses mixed up ... And the arrival of our boards and the bleating of the senator in a heap ..
For the senator, the legitimate government of Syria has already introduced a flight ban. And to Trump, it's about the no-fly zone over Texas.

[Grits]

Quote: Mitroha

the legitimate government of Syria has already introduced a flight ban.

Do you believe that someone actually fulfills this ban? So far, only Syrian planes are falling there.

[Zaurbek]

And there are no others. And Turkish UAVs that are also falling

[Victorio]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: Mitroha

the legitimate government of Syria has already introduced a flight ban.

Do you believe that someone actually fulfills this ban? Bye there only Syrian planes are falling.

===
Turkish drones too. soon find out what's in the transport workers

[mitroha]

Grits
"Do you believe that someone is really implementing this ban? So far only Syrian planes are falling there."
Be more attentive to reading comprehension. Flying banned AFTER the downing of Syrian Air Force aircraft.

[bayard]

Quote: Gritsa

So far, only Syrian planes are falling there.

And Turkish drones.
The Turks again hit Assad's aircraft from their territory. If this is a war, then you have to hit the airfields and command posts in Turkey. Syria has something, but not enough for a long time. But how much BTA is enough for us, only Ahura-Mazda knows.

[bessmertniy]

Syria, not the United States, should declare a no-fly zone as part of its sovereignty within its sovereignty.

[cniza]

They are "exceptional" and think that the switch is only in their hands.

[bessmertniy]

The turkey also thought.

[svp67]

These reports state that during the day at the Khmeimima airfield 7 IL-76 transporters landed, as well as two Tu-154 aircraft.

I hope that these are the "specialists" needed now in Idlib, with all the necessary "stuffing" to "surprise" Turkey ... There are only a couple of days left until March 4, we must hurry ...

[cniza]

Yeah, a gift to the Sultan for a meeting in Moscow, if it takes place at all ...

[Grits]

Quote: cniza

Yeah, a gift to the Sultan for a meeting in Moscow, if it takes place at all ...

I think if you have brought good "gifts" and "surprises", then you can postpone the meeting.

[cniza]

And it seems to me, depending on the results of the meeting, how he will behave ... we don't really want to highlight our "gifts" to the NATO country ...

[flicker]

with the meeting you can wait.

The fact that it will take place not in Turkey (as Turkey intended and wanted), but in Moscow, too, is talking about something.
Plus, the arrival of our ships and submarines on the Syrian coast, cargo is delivered by air, this also says something.
In addition, a chair sways under Erdogan, and his choice is bad and very poor.
But it is very likely that Erdogan will be replaced by a 100% pro-American politician (Erdogan is also ready to become a 100% pro-American politician, but the geldings will never forgive him, the precedent will be too bad).
It seems that we will offer Erdogan our help, but under harsh conditions.
Z.Y. The political future (and indeed the physical) of Erdogan is a very big question.

[Romario_Argo]

I think Putin will wait for the results of the negotiations until March 5,
unless of course anything extraordinary happens - here for such cases and reinforcement

[Dog]

Quote: Romario_Argo

Putin will wait

But the Turks are not waiting.
How justified is Putin's expectation in this regard?

[bayard]

Have you noticed Putin’s stupor and confusion? Is the intensive transfer of something to the IL-76's an expectation?
It was also announced that the additional forces of fighter aircraft would be deployed. And what about the urgent transfer of two frigates and a BDK to the coast of Syria?
Or do you propose declaring war on Turkey?
Then she will immediately become a victim and the 5th NATO amendment will enter into force.
But if she attacks the Russian contingent - this is aggression and a reason for a blow.
I am somewhat worried about the synchronization of a number of events of a military and military-political nature, but I hope that not only I can see this.

[Dog]

Quote: Romario_Argo

Putin will wait

But the Turks are not waiting.
How justified is Putin's expectation in this regard?

[Doctor]

what would be great to "surprise" Turkey ..

What for? To lose also the South Stream, Turkish beaches and Moscow builders?
We in Syria have fulfilled our task, the IG won (the Commander-in-Chief said), it's time to go home.

[svp67]

Quote: Arzt

What for? To lose also the South Stream, Turkish beaches and Moscow builders?

To establish the "status quo", Syria is "our cow and we milk it ..."
And Turkey, we now need it just as much as we need it ... It will destroy established economic ties and harm, first of all, ourselves

[Doctor]

To establish the "status quo", Syria is "our cow and we milk it ..."

It is not clear who is milking whom. Already they began to sell gold to the British.

[Andobor]

Quote: Arzt

It is not clear who is milking whom. Already they began to sell gold to the British.

Great Britain from 1999 to 2002 sold 401 tons of gold.
The average price was $ 275. The main buyer was Russia,
Now the price is more than 1600, - study.

[Doctor]

The main buyer was Russia, now the price is more than 1600, - study.

I know. Well, if so. But what really hurts on time ...

[Andobor]

Quote: Arzt

But what really hurts on time ...

Already not the maximum, but we are sure that it will go lower.

[KVK1]

to know more on which (and whose) accounts this profit will settle ...

[reservist]

I think that beaches and builders are not critical, because trains to the Crimea have already gone, they want to get construction contracts in a non-rubber one ... and UP is a double-edged sword ... losses will not only be with us ...

[Doctor]

I think that beaches and builders are not critical,

Not critical. What about the stream? And what's the point?
Investing later in the restoration of Syria? For the sake of the base in Tartus? So in the event of war she will immediately tryndets, waterways are blocked by straits that are not controlled by us, the air will also be closed.
This is not Diego Garcia, a strategic atoll in the center of the Indian Ocean, on which only its troops and all approaches to which through air, water and under water under the control of their troops.

[reservist]

Will Bulgarians and Greeks fit in for the Turks? Of course they are also in NATO, but their "love" for the Turks is far from unlimited ...

[divanka2021]

your voice is a voice in the desert of hungry couch warriors

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Arzt

what would be great to "surprise" Turkey ..

What for? To lose also the South Stream, Turkish beaches and Moscow builders?
We in Syria have fulfilled our task, the IG won (the Commander-in-Chief said), it's time to go home.

Why do we need Turkish beaches, do they bring us money?

[Doctor]

Why do we need Turkish beaches, do they bring us money?

No, they don’t. But this is part of mutually beneficial economic cooperation, one of the foundations of friendly relations between countries.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Arzt

Why do we need Turkish beaches, do they bring us money?

No, they don’t. But this is part of mutually beneficial economic cooperation, one of the foundations of friendly relations between countries.

In general, this is not mutually beneficial cooperation, our tourists go there and leave the loot there, so this is the hotel owners and the Turkish Ministry of Tourism should shake their backs for fear that the summer season will hit their wallet. RF from their beaches is neither warm nor cold

[bouncyhunter]

The essential point in the article:

There is currently no official confirmation of information on the flights of the IL-76 and Tu-154 aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces to Latakia

So you can guess at least on the coffee grounds, at least on the hair from a famous place. To make assumptions with a minimum (or absence) of facts is a thankless task.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: svp67

Until March 4, only a couple of days left, we must hurry.

Airplanes have been flying there for a week. I spoke about this not long ago. But in general, it was with Turkey that all the troubles of Syria began, all these "friends of Syria", the FSA, then transformed into ISIS. In general, it was foolish to expect that Turkey for a good attitude towards it from Russia will retreat from its ideas to reclaim a piece of Syrian territory. And it looks like another player, Iran, will now enter the war. Which again is beneficial to the Pentagon and Israel, knowing the ardent eastern mentality to provoke their fight. The aircraft carrier does not go there by chance, Erdogan's moral support, incitement on further escalation, and, on occasion, shoot in Syria and scare Russia. So until the end of the war, oh, how far away. But we can't do otherwise. Tackled the buzz, don't say that not too much! And time will tell whether Putin was right in pursuing such a policy or I forgot to add, the Syrian government army recaptured the city of Saraqib in the east of Idlib province from the jihadist forces.

[Romario_Argo]

most likely they brought some sort of air defense systems in the 76s, and on the carcasses of the Special Forces

[svp67]

Quote: Romario_Argo

most likely they brought some sort of air defense systems in the 76s, and on the carcasses of the Special Forces

Maybe, maybe on "Tu" the personnel, and on "Ilah" "iron", maybe air defense systems, maybe electronic warfare systems, or maybe UAVs or "kamikaze drones", not all the time "Kalashnikov" only carry them around exhibitions, it's time check it out ... Soon we'll see and find out. But nine boards is a lot

[Romario_Argo]

But nine sides, that's a lot

it will be funny if it is a SWORD - PTRC to destroy the cause
not the consequence or consequences
rather than SHIT in the form of SAM

[Grits]

Quote: Romario_Argo

it will be funny if it is a SWORD - PTRC to destroy the cause
not the consequence or consequences
rather than SHIT in the form of SAM

I would have liked it more.
True to the SWORD it is still necessary to bring the courage to apply it. What I don’t particularly observe.

[atalef]

Quote: Gritsa

I would like it more

you are probably all out of the coils here.
Do you think that because of the Asad, Rossim will become a batch with Turkey, and even in the first roles?
Unless of course this happens, then stupidity is utter.
Because of Syria. because of some kind of nobody in Russia fuck the unnecessary Idlib.
Well, are you this Idlib?
What is more important to you? Turkey or this Idlib?
I don’t think so. that Russia now needs another conflict with Turkey. Turkey’s ability to bend Russia is not small at all.
He will take (as an example) and transfer the s-400 to the states for testing, percrocest the Yu.potok. or rather stop buying gas - there is already an alternative. freezes a nuclear power plant. will block the Bosphorus (has the right) ---- what will you do with 7 calibers in Ankara.
You have no alternative now; it’s definitely not the time to beat the pots with Turkey. especially because of what? Idliba
Set priorities.

[ghby]

Quote: atalef

especially because of what? Idliba

I think that no matter how Idlib

[atalef]

Quote: ghby

Quote: atalef

especially because of what? Idliba

I think that no matter how Idlib

and in what?

[ghby]

Quote: atalef

and in what?

look wider, not from the position of the presence / absence of property (Idlib)

[atalef]

Quote: ghby

Quote: atalef

and in what?

look wider, not from the position of the presence / absence of property (Idlib)

but can be more detailed.
No rounded phrases. So concretely.

[ghby]

in your first message only the commercial component is indicated, which, in my humble opinion, is important in international relations, but does not have a primary and dominant role. But you want to consider only the commercial component, probably you are more familiar with it.

[atalef]

Quote: ghby

does not have a primary and dominant role

Well, expand it already - draw a couple of formulas.

[ghby]

Quote: atalef

Well, expand it already - draw a couple of formulas.

- Himself, Borka, myself!

[TAMBU]

it was a very good joke ... and if it was not a joke, then, given the absence of ideology and religion as the basis for the development of foreign policy thought (so far), states have no more motives and cannot be ... so yes ... capitalist Russia takes into account in its foreign policy maneuvers only the commercial component and no other ...

[The popuas]

Take care of the honor from the young! That's clearer?

[ultra]

Well, if you don’t understand what, then it makes no sense to explain it to you.

[atalef]

Quote: ultra

Well, if you don’t understand what, then it makes no sense to explain it to you.

understandably, the analyst merged, dosvidos.

[ultra]

And you don’t get sick.

[divanka2021]

turnip [teishin] Putin formidable II as a great warriors is it really not clear? for this and heaps of coffins they will not mind

[Galleon]

As long as there is an idyllic viper with bandits, there will be no peace in the whole country. Peace will not be. There will be provocations, terrorist attacks, sorties, or, as now, military intervention.
Now you understand what is the matter?

[Doliva63]

Quote: Galleon

As long as there is an idyllic viper with bandits, there will be no peace in the whole country. Peace will not be. There will be provocations, terrorist attacks, sorties, or, as now, military intervention.
Now you understand what is the matter?

Look broader - as long as there is capitalism, there will be no peace anywhere

[KVK1]

As long as there is an idyllic viper with bandits, there will be no peace

so in Russia its own viper was not so long ago
then they gave those who needed medals
who needs money
who else asked what else, also given
and there is no adder, but rather the guard ......
and people are alive and the sheep are safe

[svp67]

Quote: atalef

Set priorities.

Already placed. If we abandon Syria now, no one will believe us anymore, we have already TRAINED so many in the 90s ... So what you want, you don’t want ... but we have to fight for Syria.
By the way, this also concerns Israel. Russia has its own interests and it must defend

[atalef]

Quote: svp67

Already placed. If we leave Syria now, then no one else will believe us

the impression that now everyone believes so?
Naive.

Quote: svp67

we already betrayed so many in the 90s ..

and why only in the 90s?
Moreover, getting involved in Syria, well, they simply aroused admiration of the whole world and million-strong demonstrations around the world --- we again believe in Russia !!!!

Quote: svp67

So, what you want, you don’t want ... but we have to fight for Syria.

why the heck? Fight for your interests.

Quote: svp67

By the way, this also concerns Israel.

I’ll tell you honestly, I generally like everything.
We are bombing Syria. you do not bother us.
Erdogan is now in a batch (to say that Erdogan and I have a bad relationship - to say nothing at all. And this batch breaks his ties with Iran.
Turks urinate the Iranians. Syrians and Hezbollah.
dream.
I'm already eating the 3rd bucket of popcorn.

[ABM]

Turkey has high stakes: the tourist season has been disrupted, and in the event of a war with Syria no one will arrive, a couple of OTRK attacks on airfields and the season are ripped off, well, or Kurds from MANPADS that successfully hit the airliner, economic embargo, deportation of Turks from Russia

[atalef]

Quote: ABM

Turkey has high stakes: a torn tourist season

and who breaks 7 Russia is only part of the tourist flow to Turkey and most importantly. I want to see this as Putin again blocks Turkey, coupled with pension reform .. Erdogan enemy-friend-enemy ..
etc.
it will add a rating - you have a paradigm - Putin is not mistaken. and then suddenly it turns out

what the hell is that for?
so dictate more opportunities for Erdogan
:

Quote: ABM

a couple of OTRK airfield strikes and the season is ripped off,

unrequited. as you think.

Quote: ABM

economic embargo

By whom ?

Quote: ABM

deportation of Turks from Russia

and 7
Turkey received 4 million Syrians. such as the return of their Gaster to their home cope.
Now list. what Turkey can do, well, it’s so, purely for itself.

[ABM]

nobody will go to warring Turkey, do not even hope! especially from Europe, the embargo on food - the demand for your tomatoes is only in Russia, they have nowhere else to smuggle, not to Greece, though, try it. Here is a recent story about Turkish Gaster https://www.bbc.com/russian/russia/2015/12/151215_turkish_people_russia_oppinions
so the situation is mutually dangerous

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: atalef

Well, are you this Idlib?

I personally - absolutely fucked up. To Idlib. But not on our guys in Khmeimim, not on Tartus with its base for the fleet, not on the position of my country in the world, not on the economic opportunities of the Middle East. And all this is tied to the fact that giving the word to help in the war he must be kept. That's the word my country has given me no poher ...

Quote: atalef

What is more important to you? Turkey or this Idlib?

To save face is more important than relations with Turkey. Surrender now - wait half a year later to visit NATO in the Donbas, the Crimea, in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. And why not, then we’ll be cowards if we give up, and it’s not scary to beat cowards ...

Quote: atalef

Turkey’s ability to bend Russia is not small at all.

It’s scary how a ... But Russia has the opportunity in 15 minutes not to leave stone unturned from Turkey. And article 5 is good of course, but in the event of a full-scale nuclear attack on Turkey, NATO will not intervene. Turkey is not a very comfortable and not very pleasant neighbor for them. They will not climb to die for her whole nations.

Quote: atalef

He will take (as an example) and transfer the s-400 to the states for testing, percrocest the Yu.potok. or rather stop buying gas - there is already an alternative. freezes a nuclear power plant. will block the Bosphorus (has the right)

And the fact that we sold the C400 to a NATO country does not tell you anything about the secrets of these technologies? About the southern stream, nuclear power plants and gas - it’s a shit figuratively speaking in their pants. All these projects are at the expense of our own loans, but everything has not been completed. There was Turkey with a freebie from us - it will be in the ass. We will lose long investments that would pay off in 10 years, and Turkey will have real money and cheap energy right now ...

Quote: atalef

You now have no alternative; it’s definitely not the time to beat the pots with Turkey. especially because of what? Idliba

Not because of Idlib, but because of the obligations of an ally. Took - must be done. And it is necessary to demonstrate force from time to time - otherwise they forget. And it is necessary to demonstrate it not on obviously helpless guys like ISIS - there it was already clear how it would end, but in such situations. I don’t know how for you, but for me NATO is not a partner but a probable adversary. And they should not think that we are afraid of them.

[atalef]

Quote: oleg123219307

I personally - absolutely fucked up. To Idlib. But not on our guys in Khmeimim, not on Tartus with its base for the fleet,

Look at the map where Idlib and where is Khmeinim

Quote: oleg123219307

not on the position of my country in the world, not on the economic opportunities of the Middle East.

In the world ? Do you think helping Assad strengthens Russia's image in the world 7
Economic opportunities of BV? Who is Syria and Iran? Other countries like Syria are not friends

Quote: oleg123219307

Save face is more important than relations with Turkey

Same to me samurai.
Face in front of whom? what nonsense.

Quote: oleg123219307

That's the word my country has given me no poher ...

stubbornness is the first sign of dullness.

Quote: oleg123219307

Surrender now - wait half a year later to visit NATO in the Donbas, the Crimea, in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

this is your problem, headed by Lavrov.
You will be completely ramming the sheep, for the owl given to whom? Assad. eventually break your neck and confuse all your friends - and then Assad just laughs.
This is not the last fight, politics must be flexible, look at Erdogan.
at first he kissed Assad in a hickey - when he pressed the Kurds.
then against, then again - for shopping mall he needed to tie Russia and he got s-400. South Stream and NPP. and now.
he tied you to himself remarkably - because politics must be flexible and care only about the interests of his country, and not how they look - they look normal - stubbornness and obstinacy never belonged to positive qualities

Quote: oleg123219307

. And Russia has the opportunity in 15 minutes not to leave stone unturned from Turkey.

there is no such possibility and will not be.
Forget nuclear weapons will not be applied

Quote: oleg123219307

but in the case of a full-blown nuclear strike on Turkey

because of Assad. Absolutely .....

Quote: oleg123219307

And the fact that we sold the C400 to a NATO country does not tell you anything about the secrets of these technologies?

yes so of course they don’t understand anything about it
so instructions in Russian

Quote: oleg123219307

Was Turkey with a freebie from us - it will be in the ass

Well, compose a fairy tale that Russia contains Turkey.

Quote: oleg123219307

and Turkey has real money and cheap energy right now ...

right now ?
Here tomorrow.
quickly in nuclear power plants.

Quote: oleg123219307

Not because of Idlib, but because of the obligations of an ally. Took - must be done

and Turkey is kind of like an ally?

Quote: oleg123219307

. And it is necessary to demonstrate it not on obviously helpless guys like ISIS -

ISIS is now helpless, strange, but before it was somehow wrong.

Quote: oleg123219307

but in such situations. I don’t know how for you, but for me NATO is not a partner but a probable adversary. And they should not think that we are afraid of them.

here you go - a suitcase - a Damascus station --- or will you sit on a sofa like that?

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: atalef

Look at the map where Idlib and where is Khmeinim

40 km to the front line. Almost like to China ...

Quote: atalef

In the world ? Do you think helping Assad strengthens Russia's image in the world 7
Economic opportunities of BV? Who is Syria and Iran? Other countries like Syria are not friends

I believe that there is no trust in traitors. What if we surrender Syria, then no one in BV in the next 50 years will begin to speak seriously with us. And this is a zone of economic interests of our main competitors in the energy market. But it’s very unprofitable for us to have Turkey take Syrian oil and sell it cheaply to Europe.

Quote: atalef

Same to me samurai.
Face in front of whom? what nonsense.

In front of the allies and undecided countries, it is extremely useful when you are not considered a weakling and a traitor, capable of surrendering you when you receive a better offer ... And before your own people too. I don’t know about you, but I am mourned by the silence of our authorities when they beat an ally.

Quote: atalef

stubbornness is the first sign of dullness.

We seem to be discussing politics and the international situation here rather than each other's mental abilities. Or VO turned into another forum for students?

Quote: atalef

this is your problem, headed by Lavrov.
You will be completely ramming the sheep, for the owl given to whom? Assad. eventually break your neck and confuse all your friends - and then Assad just laughs.
This is not the last fight, politics must be flexible, look at Erdogan.
at first he kissed Assad in a hickey - when he pressed the Kurds.
then against, then again - for shopping mall he needed to tie Russia and he got s-400. South Stream and NPP. and now.
he tied you to himself remarkably - because politics must be flexible and care only about the interests of his country, and not how they look - they look normal - stubbornness and obstinacy never belonged to positive qualities

Well, I don’t want my country to be a political prostitute. You may like it, but I prefer the empire.

Quote: atalef

there is no such possibility and will not be.
Forget nuclear weapons will not be applied

Wait and see. If they become a real threat to us, I would not want to be in their place ...

Quote: atalef

because of Assad. Absolutely .....

Because of a friendship treaty.

Quote: atalef

yes so of course they don’t understand anything about it
so instructions in Russian

Hard case...

Quote: atalef

Well, compose a fairy tale that Russia contains Turkey.

Does not contain of course. But their losses will be more serious and will come faster if something happens.

Quote: atalef

right now ?
Here tomorrow.
quickly in nuclear power plants.

These projects will benefit Turkey much faster than us. Gas already, two years later. And if it starts to pay off to us in 10-15 years. So who will be worse in case of cancellation?

Quote: atalef

and Turkey is kind of like an ally?

Yeah. Ally. NATO country storing American nuclear weapons. Good ally. A partner, as it is now customary to call a probable opponent.

Quote: atalef

ISIS is now helpless, strange, but before it was somehow wrong.

ISIS has never had a chance against aviation. Which was clearly demonstrated.

Quote: atalef

here you go - a suitcase - a Damascus station --- or will you sit on a sofa like that?

Great argument. Funny, but I will answer. Firstly, I already tried - they do not take a contract unfortunately. Secondly, it is not necessary to be a baker to say that the bread is not tasty. I am a citizen of Russia and have the right to my vision of its policy.

[atalef]

Quote: oleg123219307

I believe that there is no trust in traitors.

well then.
Russia has betrayed more than once.
What to do next ?

Quote: oleg123219307

What if we surrender Syria, then no one in the BV in the next 50 years will begin to speak seriously with us

Yes, you have already surrendered Syria and Egypt.
And they surrendered you, and Iran called you little Satan.
And with Turkey, it seems like there was a conflict and now it seems like there is again.
what the fuck 50 years?

Quote: oleg123219307

And this is a zone of economic interests of our main competitors in the energy market

who is 7 syria?
How can you influence major oil and gas producers through Syria?
What are the fucking economic interests in Syria ////?

Quote: oleg123219307

But it’s very unprofitable for us to have Turkey take Syrian oil and sell it cheaply to Europe.

in Syria, a cat cried for oil. conversation about nothing

Quote: oleg123219307

In front of allies and undecided countries - it is extremely useful when you are not considered a weakling and a traitor, able to surrender you when you receive a better offer

Well, yes, you couldn’t keep the former republics of the Soviet Socialist Republic near you, apart from Ukraine. Belarus is on its way, but they decided to hobble overseas countries, and even in the format - believe us, we don’t leave our own. funny

Quote: oleg123219307

and the silence of our authorities when they beat an ally grieves me.

contradict yourself

Quote: oleg123219307

We kind of discuss politics and the international situation here, not each other’s mental abilities.

and what doesn’t happen in stubbornness politics?

Quote: oleg123219307

Does not contain of course. But their losses will be more serious and will come faster if something happens.

Ie it does not work for them?

Quote: oleg123219307

it is extremely useful when you are not considered a weakling and a traitor, capable of surrendering you upon receipt of a better offer ... Yes, and before your own people too

Quote: oleg123219307

These projects will benefit Turkey much faster than us. Gas already, two years later. And if it starts to pay off to us in 10-15 years. So who will be worse in case of cancellation?

to both

Quote: oleg123219307

Yeah. Ally. NATO country storing American nuclear weapons. Good ally.

damn you have all the comments from the contradictions. you already decide on Turkey and your attitude to it, to economic projects, to politics like a woman with low social responsibility, responsibility to allies and people ------ and then smoothly transfer this to the position of a Turkish citizen.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: atalef

well then.
Russia has betrayed more than once.
What to do next ?

Do not repeat the stupid things of the past.

Quote: atalef

Yes, you have already surrendered Syria and Egypt.
And they surrendered you, and Iran called you little Satan.
And with Turkey, it seems like there was a conflict and now it seems like there is again.
what the fuck 50 years?

We have already surrendered once to Yugoslavia. And aukaesya is still to us.

Quote: atalef

who is 7 syria?
How can you influence major oil and gas producers through Syria?
What are the fucking economic interests in Syria ////?

Gas pipelines from Qatar, own reserves, military bases. There are many ways in which from Syria you can influence the energy market of the Middle East.

Quote: atalef

Well, yes, you couldn’t keep the former republics of the Soviet Socialist Republic near you, apart from Ukraine. Belarus is on its way, but they decided to hobble overseas countries, and even in the format - believe us, we don’t leave our own. funny

And where did I say that I agree with the policy of our leadership? I sincerely believe that it’s high time to seize the former republics, to push the most talkative neighbors by the horns, and restore the status that the USSR had in the world. The fact that gentlemen shit democrats ruined a great country is an occasion not to lament but to correct them and their shoals.

Quote: atalef

and what doesn’t happen in stubbornness politics?

It happens. But it is not a sign of stupidity. Something you all who do not agree with you idiots shut up ...

Quote: atalef

Ie it does not work for them?

Explain the idea.

Quote: atalef

to both

Well, previous events say the opposite.

Quote: atalef

damn you have all the comments from the contradictions. you already decide on Turkey and your attitude to it, to economic projects, to politics like a woman with low social responsibility, responsibility to allies and people ------ and then smoothly transfer this to the position of a Turkish citizen.

I have a normal attitude towards Turkey. The country of NATO, a potential adversary, a strong regional player, a rather serious economy, both in terms of cooperation and in terms of shitting. They do not like us, and in general, in the case, but this is not our problem. It’s not funny to be afraid of them. To spoil relations from scratch - there is no need. Let's wait for the negotiations to see. I am for a tough condition - Syria is our ally, and you can’t attack it. If this condition is supported by readiness to act, right up to the war, Erdogan will not go to conflict. He has no chance or prospect in such a conflict. But if you chew and crack snot like we don’t want to swear, then he will squeeze everything out of us, he’s a strong and difficult man.

[atalef]

Quote: oleg123219307

Do not repeat the stupid things of the past.

but to the point, then - betrayed time ...
Therefore, do not write nonsense.

Quote: oleg123219307

We have already surrendered once to Yugoslavia. And aukaesya is still to us.

what and from whom?
If you introduce an excursion into the past. then you betrayed a lot of people what to do about it?

Quote: oleg123219307

Gas pipelines from Qatar, own reserves, military bases.

i.e. grandmas and military presence. and what side is ISIS?
By the way, the gas pipeline from Qatar is such bullshit and baby talk.
Designed for shkolota. Take a look at the map.
See gas exports from Qatar. read about the gas pipeline project to Europe from Iran, etc. etc.

Quote: oleg123219307

There are many ways in which from Syria you can influence the energy market of the Middle East.

here is nonsense.

Quote: oleg123219307

I sincerely believe that it’s high time to seize the former republics, to push the most talkative neighbors by the horns, and restore the status that the USSR had in the world.

- a horn-keeper.

Quote: oleg123219307

I have a normal attitude towards Turkey

you have cognitive dissonance, half an hour ago you wrote

Quote: oleg123219307

NATO country storing American nuclear weapons. Good ally. A partner, as it is now customary to call a probable opponent.

Quote: oleg123219307

They do not like us, and in general, in the case, but this is not our problem.

certainly not yours

[divanka2021]

atalef arguing against faith with arguments and arguments is useless, you won’t convince him, and you don’t need to, it’s rather important that he doesn’t hold high posts

[andrew42]

On the plus side, but I note that the attempt to convey the meaning of "loss of trust" to the respondent from Israel looks funny. It's easier to shame a gypsy for stealing a horse.

[Crystal of Truth]

Or vice versa, take out something and someone

[signifera]

I, too, got such a terrible thought that the base personnel were being evacuated. That all, to exit, until they pressed. But still I can’t believe it. And on the other hand, information came about the downed Turkish UAVs, and during a night attack, the SAA Serakib was recaptured.

[Grits]

Quote: Romario_Argo

and on Carcasses Spn MTR

On Carcasses - its trained air defense system operators

[Romario_Argo]

if we consider the SHIELD, all this is bulky and voluminous
then the most popular air defense system would be: Tor-M1 (8zur), Tor-M2 (16zur)
Well, Buk-M2 (4zur), ideally, of course, Buk-M3 (6 / 12zur)
ideally, of course, a SWORD - it’s easier and just breaks in the PTRK PU under Caliber
just the bowler looms near Kafr Nabl in the south of Idlib, you can burn 1000 fighters with cassettes

[voyaka uh]

"just a bowler hat looms near Kafr Nabl in the south of Idlib," ////
----
A battered 25 division can get into the bowler if the Turks cut highway number 5
in second place, in the south of Idlib.
She should have time to go south ...

[Romario_Argo]

A battered 25 division can get into the bowler

25th division: 6 regiments
4 Panzer Division: 3 Brig. SPN, 1 MSBr, artillery regiment, 2 Leg. Regiment, 2 battalion. SPN, 1 regiment
Well, let's see, they kind of not kittens are blind (!)
* Urk Point to help them

[Boris55]

called on the White House to "put an end to the suffering of the civilian population of Syria and introduce a no-fly zone over the country."

So we do not mind that the sky of Syria would be unmanned for everyone, except for the aircraft of Syria itself and ours, but this just does not suit them.

[cniza]

At the same time, the world is already aware that, according to American logic, a no-fly zone is one in which flights are prohibited for any aircraft other than NATO countries. An example is the Libyan scenario and its consequences.

In Syria, they can’t do this ...

[Runoway]

What difference does it bring, you still need the spirit to take advantage of this
Once again, I’m wondering, was there a day off when 24k shot down? Or the Russian Federation in the SAR has a highly specialized task of sorting moderate from barmalei

[Dog]

Quote: Runoway

need more spirit to take advantage of this

Order. An order is needed.

[Runoway]

Unfortunately, there will be no such order, and the Turkish stream is a guarantee for that. First of all, the interests of business, guys are sorry for risking their lives for other people's billions

[Dog]

Quote: Runoway

risking their lives for billions of others

They risk their lives for Russia. Do not believe me - ask them. For other people's billions they don’t fire on themselves and they don’t spend the last grenade on themselves and the surrounding zombies

[loki565]

they could fill up the land from their territory, the closer the border the more dangerous the use of aviation

[Warrior MorePhoto]

Quote: svp67

These reports state that during the day at the Khmeimima airfield 7 IL-76 transporters landed, as well as two Tu-154 aircraft.

I hope that these are the "specialists" needed now in Idlib, with all the necessary "stuffing" to "surprise" Turkey ... There are only a couple of days left until March 4, we must hurry ...

Was it a multi-port? Allow the barmaleys to turn around in a relatively small (for the military front) area, and then to whimper all at once like flies that have flocked to jam?

[Vadim Zhivov]

Or in Moscow’s ear.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Donkey driver

Winding fishing rods.

Türks and barmaleis, as well as trolls

[Runoway]

This is for those who will put the Sultan in his place the other day, or, as our media say, "Erdogan fell into a trap, and only Putin can help him."
And in fact, "you are more accurate than a tomato friend, fly over Syria, otherwise Assad is so unpredictable and can shoot"

[behappy]

Russia does not guarantee the security of Turkish aviation in Syria

So what?!
It seems like Turkey no longer guarantees the safety of Russian aviation. And not only aviation, moreover.

[Sardanapalus]

Something tasty brought. We will soon feed the sultan.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Go missiles for the air defense system brought up, replenish ammunition.

[askort154]

These reports state that during the day at the Khmeimima airfield 7 IL-76 transporters landed, as well as two Tu-154 aircraft.

Clearly, there are "slingshots" on Ilakh, and "slingshots" on Tupolev.
Idlib is 25-30 km away. from the turkish border. Why should the Turks enter Syria.
Israel has been attacking Syria for years without entering its territory. Now from Lebanon, now from "neutral waters". Therefore, most likely, "slingshots" for destroying not aircraft, but
what they will launch from air and land. Unfortunately, in this regard, Turkey has a great advantage. Suppress their means of attack on their territory, we are unlikely to dare. Though ?!

[Dog]

Quote: askort154

Why should the Turks enter Syria

At a minimum, to adjust fire artifacts. With 30 km you won’t especially adjust anything

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: askort154

Israel has been attacking Syria for years without entering its territory. Now from Lebanon, now from "neutral waters".

Try to be more precise.
I have already answered such statements several times, this is what many want.
But in fact:
"Published the route of the flight of Israeli combat aircraft, which struck the eastern part of Syria. As it turned out, the aircraft of the Israeli Air Force (and, according to some sources, it may be about the F-35), not only entered Syrian airspace, but also flew several hundred kilometers, being in the zone of detection and destruction of the Russian S-400 and Syrian S-300 systems. "

[divanka2021]

funny pun, but can they shoot at us?

[Angrybeard]

Yes, they already wrote, Pantsiri and Buki arrive, staff. On the southern front of Idlib, unknown "new Syrian units in new uniforms."
Someone seems a little upset the Kremlin.
By the way, if you look at the public of the Turks, yes, they dream about the return of land. Well, dreaming is not harmful, but it seems to me a little harmful to the economy, plus it is able to quickly form an effective coalition from Syria to Libya and Russia Iran, Egypt and others supporting them, and there the Greeks grind their teeth with Cyprus. Is there enough strength for the Turks?

[rocket757]

You won’t understand without a bottle !!!
What remains ... only to wait and look at the result, when it will be obvious!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: rocket757

just wait and see the result when it will be obvious!

There will be no other result, a lot of players have gathered.

And here is what I wrote on 13/10/9 when the Turks just started to enter Syria
-----------------------------------------
"And now the fun begins.
There will begin to flock from other areas and another hot enclave will form.
The Kurds will want to go back and a new war will begin.
Having reached its goal, Turkey may possibly leave Syria, but again and again, if it considers it necessary, it will carry out operations.
Iran, with its salicylates, after losing about 3 Hizbullah militants in the war, is unlikely to abandon the construction of military bases around Israel, following the example of Lebanon, and Israel will continue to destroy them.
If you noticed after meeting with Putin, Israel stopped striking, it gives Putin the opportunity to calmly solve his tasks (just don’t write that you were scared) because then you have to change your point of view.
And this will be until ALL and again EVERYONE, without exception, leave Syria and there, under the control of the UN and other interested countries, THESE elections and only after that all interested countries under the leadership of the International Development Bank will begin to restore Syria.
In the meantime, everyone uses it as he wants, regardless of the people of Syria, and this is a rake in Afghanistan. "

[rocket757]

Everyone has their own interests and no one wants to leave so easily ... this is obvious.
By the way, "fair elections" will not solve anything, by and large they will not correct them ... because, depending on the result, someone will probably not want to recognize them as such.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: rocket757

Everyone has their own interests and nobody wants to leave so easily.

This is what I ended up with.
In the meantime, everyone uses it as he wants, regardless of the people of Syria, and this is a rake in Afghanistan. "

Quote: rocket757

By the way, "fair elections" will not solve anything, by and large they will not correct them ... because, depending on the result, someone will probably not want to recognize them as such.

The first meeting of the constitutional committee on Syria, which should find a way out of the military-political impasse, was held in Geneva.
One of the Delegation members, Mays Creedy, said, “We have disagreements within the group. Now, before the start of negotiations, we must learn to understand each other, learn to trust each other. "
Russian President Vladimir Putin, crfpfk the idea of ​​such a committee appeared in Sochi, at the Congress of the Syrian people, at which various political forces, including the opposition, and government structures.
Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said in August that the creation of zones had helped to close the conflict. “In Syria, we succeeded in separating one from the other, creating four de-escalation zones and end the actual civil war ”,
And instead of continuing and developing this path, Assad smashed up
this zone zone He understands that he can only sit in power on Russian bayonets
But so far no one has succeeded and the price for Russia and for its people is very high

[rocket757]

Suppose it is logical to take control of the territory of your country, all the more so because they didn’t sit there peacefully.
Nobody wants to leave such an adder in their rear, because at any moment they crawled from there again ....
The second aspect, and those barmalei who were sitting there did not receive any help from anywhere? Yeah, fresh tradition.
Honestly, I do not care about all those local affairs, from the definition at all, but the fact that the legitimate government of Syria should solve problems without putting it off the bat, it was obvious a long time ago.
Otherwise, there are no prospects for a peaceful restoration of the country.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: rocket757

Nobody wants to leave such an adder in their rear, because at any moment they crawled from there again ....

Who is "NOBODY"?
Today there is Assad and his government, which brought their people to civil war.
Therefore, today it is necessary to shift all forces to create a government of consent, and not to bomb consonants.

Quote: rocket757

The second aspect, and those barmalei who were sitting there did not receive any help from anywhere? Yeah, fresh tradition.

Very interesting klikuha "barmaley".
But in fact, there are government troops, opposition to Assad and his government, there are many reasons for this, I have already listed them. And also the remnants of terrorist organizations that, after the defeat in Iraq, fled to Syria and joined the armed opposition. They were very heavily weeded, which was stated by both Vladimir Putin and S. Shoigu and Trump, and the Minister of Defense of Russia S. Shoigu said that the creation of zones helped practically end the conflict. “In Syria, we succeeded in separating one from the other, creating four de-escalation zones and end virtually civil war»
At this time, everyone should have pressed together on Assad for negotiations all with all, (which V.V. Putin tried to do in Sochi), but he, like every medieval tsar, has his personal interests in the first place, and not the state and people.
What do you think, all who were killed and fled children, women, the whole family are all these terrorists?
Who will restore the destroyed cities, economy, agriculture?
I doubt that Russia will take on all this, you have a lot to do, what else to restore.

[rocket757]

East business ... muddy and I have no favorites there.
One thing is obvious, while the Western dermocratizers did not go there with their recipes for dermocratization, the countries lived quite STABLE for themselves.
Until the "new conquistadors" get out of there and support destructive tendencies, there will be no peace there.
There is nothing more to argue about.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: rocket757

One thing is clear, until the Western dermocratizers climbed there with their dermocratization recipes,

I agree.
Obama climbed to make democracy in feudal countries.

Quote: rocket757

Until the "new conquistadors" get out of there,

I agree again.
TOGETHER!

[voyaka uh]

Ammunition brought, that's right.

[Proud.]

"... Recall that on the eve of Turkish F-16 fighters shot down two Su-24 bombers in the skies over Idlib. Syrian pilots managed to eject. Earlier Turkey lost at least 6 of its attack drones in Idlib, which attacked the positions of the SAA .. . "Where are the proofs? Photos? Vidos? Where are the pictures of the wreckage of the dryers on the ground? And the Turks and the barmaley would not have missed such an opportunity. An expedition would have been equipped there. Are the smart batteries dead again?"
I quote: "... On the morning of March 1, Turkish tertiary sources began to publish a message that the Turks shot down 2 Russian Su-24 bombers in the skies over Idlib. Tertiary, in the sense of different bloggers, tweets and sites of rather murky authenticity. By about noon, they became various videos appear, allegedly of those very knocked-down dryers. But by this moment the Russian Ministry of Defense officially notified that the VKS operational group operating in Idlib had no losses. Somewhere from one in the afternoon there are already medium-sized Turkish sites, with reference to a statement by a certain officer of the Turkish General Staff, they began to confidently say that the dryings were really shot down, in fact, two, and they definitely belong to the SAR Air Force. And even Damascus allegedly admitted the loss of two cars ... However, the excavation of facts shows a strange thing. Even according to Turkish sources, there are already three different versions of the story with the planes. One by one, two cars were shot down by the barmaley with the help of MANPADS, and in different places. According to the other, one was put down by the barmaley, the other from the short-range air defense system, not mediocre Turks. According to the third, these Syrian dryers generally tried to attack a pair of Turkish F-16s flying about their business, which grounded them defensively. It is also unclear in what place. In general, the Turks have been complaining for a week that the Russian Aerospace Forces are completely blocking any attempts by Turkish aircraft to cross the border and invade Syrian airspace. That the third version puts, to put it mildly, under very big doubt ... ". Http://novorusmir.ru/archives/61583

[g1washntwn]

I am more inclined to version F-16 from Turkish airspace. Because immediately after attempts to shell from the ground from MANPADS below 5-6k there they do not fly. Helicopters are not visible at all. But the Turks do not mind their UAVs, these are consumables. In addition, the RTR data is thrown to them for coordination, all interested are poured gasoline into the fire.

[Vasyan1971]

According to Graham, this will "avoid new casualties among civilians"

It is with such “good” “striped” intentions that the road to hell is paved.

[Xenofont]

Here is the news for the night from B. Rozhin.

1. The Syrian army recaptured Sarakib from Turkey and the HTS / SNA militants. Heavy battles for the city have been going on since yesterday evening, but they took the city only in the morning, the militants crawled to Afes and Nairab. The city was stormed by "Forces of the Tiger" and "Hezbollah" with the support of artillery and aviation. There are tangible losses on both sides. It should be noted that despite the heavy losses of the Syrians in the previous days, they were able to get together and again go on the offensive.

2. At night, a Turkish column was hit in the area of ​​the Turkish observation post in Kminas. There are dead and wounded. 300s were taken out by helicopters and ambulances to Hatay province. Serious losses of Turkish special forces in battles for Sarakib are also reported. According to unconfirmed reports, Russia has been actively using jammers against Turkish drones since yesterday. Also, Russia yesterday refused to guarantee the safety of Turkish aircraft in the airspace of Idlib.

3. In the south today, attempts by the Turks and militants are expected to take Kafr Nabl and advance to the Al-Gab plain and the mountainous regions of Zawiya. In addition, one can expect attempts to counterattack on Sarakib with the support of Turkish artillery and drones. In the morning, the fighting went west and northwest of Kafr Nabl.

[donavi49]

Sarakib - it seems they recaptured but not to the denouement, but to the center.
Jebel Zawiya and Kafr Nabl are lost in the south.

Under such conditions, the SAA cannot defend at least for some reason as a whole, with the exception of the elite units. This is problem.

From KafrNabl you can cut the M5 on the road in another place, cover MaratNuman.
Or go to KhanShekhun and Murak - at once cutting off the elite units from the supply and threatening Hama.

That’s what the Turkish advisers will decide.

There is a lack of at least one more persistent brigade. Any submission. Which would even if she retreated, then slowly and with battles.

[Xenofont]

Everything is true, but there are still not enough competent and decisive actions on our part. How did the Turk turn out to be superior to the battlefield, which ensured the success of the nusra? Maybe at the headquarters what to fix by replacing advisers? It seems to me that the Tu-154 arrived in vain: they carry our personnel.

[Dog]

Quote: Xenofont

Maybe at the headquarters what to fix by replacing advisers?

I think that bonded people are sitting in the headquarters, and they are engaged in planning based on the limitations set above and the goals outlined from there. My opinion is

[Meckajiuhe]

Die from cancer.

[Proud.]

Troll ... Fresh meat for kicks.

[_Sergei_]

Die of cancer

Or cancer

[divanka2021]

one more,
wait before

[Karaul14]

Sense something? This is a game with cheats. Turkey conducts many shelling from its own space, no one can strike at it, because then Article 5 of the NATO charter is activated and it will be very bad for anyone who does it. Downed drones are not people, besides exchanging 9 drones for what they manage to do these days is not a loss at all.

[donavi49]

Well, in general, the UAV can still be adjusted, but the Americans can also help, for a "good cause." As in Greek-Cypriot-Turkish, when the Americans delivered Phantoms to Turkey on their own.

The question is, how much does the quality, morality and completeness of the reinforcements that go to the battle line fall under such conditions?


This is 15 km from the battlefield judging by the topographic location. They work at the rear.

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

So we will continue to travel to Turkey to have a rest, buy Turkish tomatoes, build a nuclear station for their own money, the Turkish stream, etc., etc. ... You need to pay for blood with blood, first shoot then say .. In the East, just say that ..

[Dog]

Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN

So we will continue to travel to Turkey

I had a conversation the other day with a friend. Talked about vacation. He says he is thinking about Turkey. I asked if he was scared that we and the Turks were almost in a state of war. He was very surprised and asked to tell in more detail. Some people do not follow this situation at all and are simply not up to date with the local affairs. And there are many. That is the fault of our media and our talkers from the highest echelons, which is not explicitly stated on the screens about the danger of rest in Turkey. An attempt to maintain good relations by hushing up the existing realities, for citizens who have not received a warning, can turn into a tragedy, or dada simply missing tickets, etc.

[divanka2021]

and you don’t understand that this is just normal, because not people are fighting with Turkey, but Putin

[Dog]

Quote: divanka2021

not people fighting Turkey, but Putin

Are you a Turk or xo x o l? If not, you can recall how last time, after our plane, the people demanded tough measures from Putin. And Putin was limited by oranges. So the Turks should pray for Putin

[Livonetc]

Quote: GGC1

IL-76 - for two hundred, and Tu-154 - for three hundred? The troops are finally withdrawing from Syria, as the one and a half meter geopolitician has repeatedly promised?

Do not flatter yourself.
Turkish soldiers are very lucky if the agreement between Turkey and Russia is successful.
Otherwise, the mass of Turkish "martyrs" cannot even be taken out.
They will bulldozers in the most rotten place.

[Mestny]

Quote: atalef

freezes a nuclear power plant. will block the Bosphorus (has the right) ---- what will you do with 7 calibers in Ankara.

Why 7? And why calibers?
In general, yes, Turkey is not needed.
It is necessary to play in Israel. And not calibers.

[Krasnodar]

It is necessary. A nuclear war with a very militarized, technologically developed country much larger than Turkey is the main thing that the citizens of modern Russia lack

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

Nuclear war with a very militarized, technologically advanced much larger Turkey

Come on you. Jewish fishermen will see this (see video below), and in a couple of minutes everything will be over. No one will have time to twitch. In nuclear war, we still know a lot. Another thing is that we are not maniacs, we condemn Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and we ourselves will not begin to do this without extreme need.

[Krasnodar]

This can guaranteed to knock out exclusively the airborne part of the carriers of Israeli nuclear weapons. Ground - no way. Mine is not. Sea - only that in the ports. Well, the whole world is understandable. But answers cannot be avoided - therefore no one will attack Israel with WMD

[Dog]

We will knock out mobile complexes with "Jericho" once, all the fault is the crumbling of the territory of Israel. Our individual patrolling areas of the PGRK are larger in area than the whole of Israel. And there are many such areas. On the tiny territory of Israel, mobile complexes are useless for a nuclear response.
The mines? It’s not a panacea for a long time. That's why we do PGRK.
Diesel-electric submarines of "Dolphin" type with subsonic cruise missiles? We can handle it somehow.
Total Total Israel should not raise the topic of nuclear war with the Russian Federation, because it obviously will not survive this event. And we easily.

[Krasnodar]

Why move? Dolphin's function is to prevent the interception of the Jericho - he will cope with it. Mines - again - are missing. Israel does not raise this issue - why should it? And absolutely everyone will cope with it - the question is “the price of the question”

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

Why move?

Then all the more - they will not survive.

[Krasnodar]

Survive and hit)). There is a long-thought out system of guaranteed response. At the level of development of the technologies existing today, there is nothing to do with it.

[Mestny]

We’ll survive. We have such a missile defense.
But Israel is not.

[Krasnodar]

Israel will not survive one hundred percent - even the war with Pakistan (if the latter has delivery vehicles))). Once again, the retaliation response always involves striking at unprotected anti-aircraft missile defense systems. Therefore, the question is always in the “price of the question”.

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

Survive and hit)).

Groundless optimism in such matters is a direct path to the edge.
And to assert, as you do it, that 2 DEPLs on duty with a dozen missiles for two "will burn out everything that can shoot down Jericho" is not even optimism, it is something worse.
At the same time, it would be nice to recall that Israel does not even have the strength to ensure the secret deployment of a couple of its diesel-electric submarines, and if desired, they can be traced and preemptively destroyed before the strike.
So your "guaranteed strike system" is a propaganda product for local consumption, designed to calm down citizens who do not have critical thinking, and at the same time justify unrealistic spending on not the best German diesel-electric submarines.
I don’t want to upset anyone. Just propose to reason with your head. This is more interesting than slogans and bravura speeches.

[Krasnodar]

... if you can track at least one of the three (why two?) on duty subtle submarines of the Dolphin class with personally unknown to me the number of missiles of unknown type to me - you are GOOD. Or a talker. )))

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

Chatterbox

A chatterbox is one who claims that Israel’s ability is sure to win, and is unable to explain how Israel will do this.

Quote: Krasnodar

on duty subtle submarines of the Dolphin class with personally unknown quantity of missiles

In a diesel-electric submarine launching missiles through torpedo tubes, the ammunition of missiles cannot be something impressive. Open sources say about 5 missiles for the ammunition per boat. And this is about standard spears. And if Israel shoved that missile there, which supposedly 1,5 thousand km. maybe they can fly by - then there are probably less of them there.
Is this enough to "burn out" any air defense? Of course no.

[Krasnodar]

That is, despite the small size of the country, a dozen or two nuclear-powered missiles did not praise the potential enemy located in the region to destroy the air defense systems? )) And the marine component (air defense carrier fleet)? Open source where infa? From the builders of a German shipyard?

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

a dozen other nuclear-fired missiles were not praised for the destruction of a potential enemy air defense system located in the region

Eee, comrade, we are talking with you about the nuclear war between Russia and Israel. What Arabs can do is not really interesting to me yet.

[Krasnodar]

It is about Russia? )))
And where is it, besides Syria and Lebanon (under great doubt), can it deploy a missile defense? )))

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

About

Best defense is attack. I posted a beautiful video to you at the beginning of the conversation - about it! First you need to sink two boats, which even the old guard can sniff.

[Krasnodar]

You are special in casuistry - but even the newest watchman will simply not find them)). She won’t know where to look, but the Clubs will not prevent anything.

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

Will not know where to look

At the exit from the base, of course.

Quote: Krasnodar

guard

Specially trained submarines are engaged in such things, sharpened to destroy other submarines.

[Krasnodar]

At the exit from the base, their Pts will be quickly detected.

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

At the exit from the base, their Pts will be quickly detected.

Who! Missile boat?

[Krasnodar]

What for? Carlson is a Danish Jew.

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

What for? Carlson - Danish Jew

Buoy pack
will they be thrown behind a pack in the sea to constantly observe the sea perimeter? No buoys will be enough.

[Krasnodar]

What do you think - at a great distance a boat like Varshavyanka, for example, can detect Dolphin? )))

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

What do you think - at a great distance a boat like Varshavyanka, for example, can detect Dolphin? )))

Varshavyanka has drinking property in terms of sound in front of Dolphin, so that potentially she could lead her without even revealing herself. But there are other boats for this.

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

open sources where infa?

This is an export bauble. None of her characteristics make a secret

[Krasnodar]

)))
The main thing is to believe

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

The main thing is to believe

Yes, you cannot defeat your blind faith in the inevitability of Israel’s strike with logic.

[Krasnodar]

What kind of logic? There, the whole program was soaked under it)).

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

What kind of logic?

Logic - it is one. She is either there or not.

[Krasnodar]

There is still female logic ...

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

if you can track

There was a story, for example:

In early June 2006, the Baltic Fleet patrol ship Neustrashimy took part in the international exercises Baltops-2006, during which it spotted with its SAC and for some time pursued an underwater target, later identified as a submarine of the U-212 type

And your dolphin, just export (and therefore with underestimated characteristics) 212nd modification for Israel.
Undaunted, therefore, well done! And this is not the best hook.

So there’s nothing supernatural in detecting and destroying your diesel submarines

[Krasnodar]

If he knows where to look (export, which means understated, also pearl), he will certainly find it. Then he will catch up and find it again. Yeah

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

If she knows where to look (export, then understated, also pearl)

Do you think that the Germans, repaying debt to the Jews for the Holocaust by submarines, built them with better characteristics than for themselves?

[Krasnodar]

They were built by Israeli order and for other needs.

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

They were built by Israeli order

And in the order they wrote: "Build the quietest, most armed and most autonomous boat in the world!" The Germans, the shipbuilders shrugged their shoulders and built, and the Deutschmarines were like: "Why, was that possible?"

[Krasnodar]

You were also present during the conversation - this is awareness)).

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

If you know where to look

Well, you don't have the forces and means to ensure the covert deployment of your diesel engines - it just so happened that right at the exit from the bases, unsecured submarines are usually met by all sorts of malicious comrades, and then they drive, waiting for a signal for destruction. The states and I spent a lot of energy on games like this during the Cold War. And you bought 5 boats from the Germans and are already shouting about the "inevitable by existing technologies" retaliatory strike. Kindergarten, law

[Krasnodar]

As soon as they begin to fall, the situation has changed dramatically

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

As soon as they begin to fall, the situation has changed dramatically

What are you talking about now?

[Krasnodar]

Demolish air defense immediately, without waiting))
About the means — Israel, with its needs, has a budget 3 times smaller than the Russian one — do you think there is money for the military?

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

Demolish air defense immediately, without waiting))

Suppose your dizelyuha and finds that behind it someone is making noise. But who? Sail up and look at the flag? Whose air defense will you demolish with your ten missiles?
But in fact, even the Americans, having been in such a situation more than once, did not show any aggression. And the Jews: "they are accompanying us"! And the whole world is in dust. The circus

[Krasnodar]

Grazing Israeli submarines is not a routine, especially during an exacerbation of a hypothetical conflict, say, with Pakistan)).

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

Grazing Israeli submarines is not a routine,

What is this? The reason for the start of a nuclear war, in which, according to your own words, all of Israel is inapplicable and will die? Seriously? Submarine commander, it turns out, just because he was taken for escort, will provoke the destruction of all of Israel?

[Krasnodar]

No. The General Staff will decide to demolish Pakistani air defense at the country's borders - by conventional methods, of course.

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

The General Staff will decide to demolish Pakistani air defense at the country's borders - by conventional methods, of course

Have sick people gathered at the General Staff? Don't think

[mark1]

Quote: Krasnodar

Nuclear war with a very militarized, technologically developed country much larger than Turkey

And what do you think - three or four barrels with nuclear weapons ("dust") sprayed over the "technological giant" is enough not to fight anymore, or is it still a 100 kiloton air vent?

[Krasnodar]

For the destruction of the country-it’s quite, and even neighbors will get. But to prevent the answer is not enough - look at the geological map of Israel.
Rocks - the depression will not work. There are no mines. Prevention of interception at the start is provided by duty submarines such as Dolphin - they will burn out everything that can bring down Jericho in theory. And then - a retaliation strike against vulnerable objects. Therefore, no WMD will work for Jews.

[mark1]

But only Israel itself in its bulk will no longer care, it is in any case extremely vulnerable and nothing can change it. Therefore, the "technological giant" will not fight the nuclear giant with what is deadly for him, with what, and God did not offend the Jews with the mind.

[Krasnodar]

I agree - it never will be. Nobody needs this.

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

geological map of Israel look.

Purely geological maps are made with the removed cover of Quaternary sediments, which are, in fact, the "loose" upper layer. For clarity. So, in order to understand how much and where you have "loose" soils - you need to look at a specialized map of the Quaternary deposits. Have a link?

Quote: Krasnodar

Dolphin - everyone will burn out

What will they burn with?)) Subsonic cruise missiles from the last century?

[Krasnodar]

Enough of them))
Look at the mountains. Jerusalem, the north of Israel, etc. A 50 m deep will work on such rocks?

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

Look at the mountains. Jerusalem, the north of Israel, etc. A 50 m deep will work on such rocks?

Need a quarter card. Mountains - this does not mean that there are only rocky soils around. Mountains collapse over the years, as a result of the impact of certain geological processes, and the products of their destruction are redeposited here, sometimes forming an impressive layer of "loose" deposits.
So it is in the Caucasus and the Urals, and in any mountains you can find areas with tens of meters of depth of "loose sediments". These are rivers aluvium; and proluvial fan; and products of slope processes such as mudflows, avalanches, taluses and landslides; various weathering crusts and aeolian deposits; deluvium and other planar erosion products; in some cases moraine and fluvioglacial deposits; well, much much more.
You need to look at the map. And it’s a quaternary.

[Krasnodar]

What are we discussing now? Can Israel strike back at the country to the aggressor, located less than 10 thousand km from it. after its destruction? Can.
Can it be prevented?
At the level of modern technology development - not.
Will Israel be completely destroyed in such a war?
Certainly.

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

Can it be prevented?
At the level of modern technology development - not.

That's about it

[Krasnodar]

You have a different opinion - write))

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

You have a different opinion - write

Done
There above

[Krasnodar]

I read - a bunch of assumptions. Even with the option "off-duty" smoothly this will not work
In the variant of aggravation of the conflict, pulling up something that ensures the interception of all missiles will be impossible from the word at all, because Enemy air defense is destroyed first of all by Hale Avir. Yes, and such opportunities are calculated for one or two
Next - the interception of Israeli missiles at launch can only be carried out from the sea, from the north (Lebanon-Syria) and the Northeast. Which further reduces the possibility of an early interception by the aggressor.

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

a bunch of assumptions

Objective logical constructions. Assumptions - it's about you just

[Krasnodar]

Have you ever served in the army? )))

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

Have you ever served in the army? )))

Even the officer.
And why such a question? Like if I cleaned Galil for 3 years, then is it better to understand ballistic missiles and submarines?

[Krasnodar]

No ))
Like, none of the former military (except officers of the military department) seriously thinks of a war with a state possessing nuclear weapons)).

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

none of the former military (except officers of the military department) think seriously about the war with a state possessing nuclear weapons

You and the general didn’t drink normal vodka.
But in essence - they not only think, but think through to the smallest details. They invent new ways to gain the upper hand or to prevent the enemy from gaining the upper hand, at least.

[Krasnodar]

Drank.
Cognac.
Lots of.
And not with one. )))
Thinking and working out is their job. Bring to this - no professional military wants. Moreover, substitute your peacekeeper for the answer.

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

Thinking and working out is their job

But do they not seriously do the work?

Quote: Krasnodar

doesn't seriously think about war with a state possessing nuclear weapons

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

Israeli missile interception at launch

Start from where? From, excuse me, that same radioactive ash?

[Krasnodar]

That's right)).

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

That's right)).

Then the start is canceled, hand over the tickets

[Krasnodar]

Alas and ah - he is counted to be produced from the ashes And it is desirable and smog.

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

he is counted

Did you look straight into the calculations over your shoulder?

[Krasnodar]

Yes, no - simple logic)).

[Dog]

Quote: Krasnodar

simple logic)

I see only the conclusion. Tighten the grounds, and for now it’s not logic, and the recitation is not where the statements come from

[JonnyT]

Fortune-telling by coffee grounds - BDK brought a lot of different ammunition, ammunition, fighters. Ilya: air defense missile system, regimental radar, electronic warfare, missiles and bombs for aircraft. The carcasses brought openers, squash, gunners, drones. Ships and boats with calibers await at sea.

All this suggests that Vova wants to poke the face of the Sultan in the shit a couple of times. We are waiting for fiery greetings to the Basmachis and Barmales at the observation posts.

[master 52]

ours again began to strike at Serakib

[Livonetc]

Already perhaps in the vicinity.
Sarakib taken by SAA.

[Alexfly]

Why is this F-16 not yet shot down? Or in any way?

[Livonetc]

They scattered over your need?

[Vitaly161]

The destruction range of modern means of air destruction is high, the Turks calmly launch rockets from their airspace, how do you want to shoot them down? In Turkey?

[boss]

extremely interesting, what route did the planes fly?

[musorg]

Graham does not know what Racca is and how things are going there. And who knows the mass of civilians completely does not know. Sneaky s !!!

[McDonnell Douglas]

Assad taken to Yanukovych in Rostov?

[Sarcasm]

Quote: Krasnodar

This can guaranteed to knock out exclusively the airborne part of the carriers of Israeli nuclear weapons. Ground - no way. Mine is not. Sea - only that in the ports. Well, the whole world is understandable. But answers cannot be avoided - therefore no one will attack Israel with WMD

Israel does not have any guarantees from anyone, in the event of a blow it simply ceases to exist ... What answers are there ?! - the territory is so small that there simply will not be anything left, that really only nuclear ashes according to one of our dialects from the box.
There are no ICBMs and long-range cruise missiles, even if a couple of submarines survive, what are you hinting at, they have limited diesel-electric range and autonomy, VNEU only increases the time of underwater movement, and not autonomy and capabilities.
So God forbid, of course, there are no chances for the population of Israel including the army, etc. just to survive.

There is nothing just to discuss even such opportunities; there are no options for anyone, or for small countries with tactical nuclear weapons, or for large countries. The damage in all dimensions will be so great that after the conflict these countries will turn into deserted infected semi-wild parts of the planet with a sick, wild and slowly dying population, if this ball remains at all.

Soon, everything will simply come to the conclusion that a couple of countries will lay on their territory nuclear bombs sufficient to destroy the planet in general on the principle "there are no us, there are none." What's the point of chasing the enemy, spending money on the development and maintenance of delivery vehicles, overcoming missile defense and other nonsense? Sense for example 5-10% of us to survive in a nuclear war? - to wander slowly dying from radiation and all the nasty then among the ashes ... Conventional weapons for border control, protection of sovereignty and protection of interests, perhaps tactical nuclear weapons for a conflict of low intensity and a certain number of land mines on its own territory to destroy the planet in general, the last best means containment.

[CBR600]

Quote: Sarkazm

Soon, everything will simply come to the conclusion that a couple of countries will lay on their territory nuclear bombs sufficient to destroy the planet in general on the principle "there are no us, there are none."

Already considered here. Nothing like this. Even the formed AM as a core will collapse. The ball will withstand.
__ On a subject it is interesting, what gifts were brought? What missiles will clean all that trash.

[Radikal]

These reports state that during the day, 7 Il-76 transporters landed at the Khmeimima airport, as well as two Tu-154 aircraft

The personnel with the equipment arrived. Only question - with which?

[Balthazar]

In recent days, information on the actions of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria has practically disappeared. The source of information is very metered. We will look and speculate ourselves what is happening ....

[Protos]

Quote: Bone

We are already afraid of sneezing in the direction of Turkey. Stupidly firmly observance of the Sochi agreements in the expectation that the situation will be able to freeze on the fifth.

We are not afraid, especially not the military are afraid, but the vile and cowardly traitors-politicians, as always with an eye to the west .....

Shaw in the training manual and it is written ?!

[Protos]

Quote: Krasnodar

For the destruction of the country-it’s quite, and even neighbors will get. But to prevent the answer is not enough - look at the geological map of Israel.
Rocks - the depression will not work. There are no mines. Prevention of interception at the start is provided by duty submarines such as Dolphin - they will burn out everything that can bring down Jericho in theory. And then - a retaliation strike against vulnerable objects. Therefore, no WMD will work for Jews.

Will work, already running!
For immersion in chaos, 6x50Kt is enough. charge in the political and financial centers of a God-chosen country and all
And even the neighbors won’t get there, the wind rose in the sea is directed, it’s still designed in the 70s

[Protos]

Russian air defense units with S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems and Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems have been deployed by Il-76MD military transport aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces to Syria!
The aircraft from the S-400 battalion and the attached Pantsir-S1 battery was airlifted by two Tu-154 sides

[silver_roman]

At the same time, Senator Lindsay Graham, who is considered one of the main supporters of President Donald Trump in the Senate, called on the White House to "put an end to the suffering of the civilian population of Syria and conduct a nuclear bombardment of the SAR."

oh, those sweetest and kindest Saxons. how many worries and peaceful Syrians. Lord, slept to hell with America.

[silver_roman]

Unfortunately, the fairly confident actions of Russia in the external arena do not correspond to its will to take decisive actions. Did the commander in chief and think that everything will work out. bypassing sharp corners?

[divanka2021]

what they wanted and thought, they asked the people whether they want a war with Turkey, etc. kind of questions?

[vik669]

Let the Lebanese informational resources write about how many Israeli planes from their territory are attacking Syria, and yet ...!

[minby]

Why even quote that there are barking from overseas? They will never say anything good or useful.

[7,62x54]

Wagnerites rushed to the showdown.

[7,62x54]

And who said that the planes brought something, maybe they flew to evacuate the contingent.

[Vitaly161]

Well, yes, and today at 17.00 in Sarakib I took up the duty of the air forces of the Russian Federation, where is the logic?

[1970mk]

Yes, it's all a circus! Do it ... do it ....
Who and at whose expense did Turkish Stream build for $ 9 billion? Only with 4 branches the payback period was 47 years! It turned out only 1 branch is needed, not 4. THIS is not paid back! Who buried the money when, according to official data, a third of hospitals in the Russian Federation do not have toilets?

[Protos]

You have not mixed up the country

Quote: 1970mk

Yes, it's all a circus! THIS IS NOT PAYBACK! Who buried the money when, according to official data, a third of hospitals in the Russian Federation do not have toilets?

Well, in our Crimea, normal toilets in hospitals and clinics appeared only after getting rid of ukrokupkatsii and returning to Russia

[1970mk]

I don’t need to poison about Crimea ... Devastation ... yeah-yeah .... you take a train on the roads 200km from Moscow and look at the ruin of state institutions ... Case Crimea is not all gasified by Ukrainians? Do we have gas? Everywhere? In Crimea, there is no devastation .... or if it is devastation, then what we have in the province?
About toilets ... it's open statistics and Vovochka personally voiced it.

[Protos]

Quote: 1970mk

I don’t need to poison about Crimea ... Devastation ... yeah-yeah .... you take a train on the roads 200km from Moscow and look at the ruin of state institutions ... Case Crimea is not all gasified by Ukrainians? Do we have gas? Everywhere? In Crimea, there is no devastation .... or if it is devastation, then what we have in the province?
About toilets ... it's open statistics and Vovochka personally voiced it.

First of all, you have a president in Ukraine - Little Johnny from the "95 quarter"!
We have Vladimir Vladimirovich (you can have GDP or Putin) - the popularly elected president of Russia!
Secondly, I am from the Crimea!
Thirdly, I was in Pavlovsky Posad and Zelenograd, and during the times of Ukrainian occupation, and now!
What then, what now I was surprised by the German cleanliness and quality of roads (especially in comparison with the times of the occupation of Crimea by Ukraine).
Fourth, the gasification ring was closed precisely in 2015, and before that, Ukraine had been chewing snot for 20 years
Fifth, in Crimea, in principle, everything is worse than in the rest of Russia!
But, we have been part of the Russian Federation for only five years, and the public procurement system began to work only in the summer of 2016. And at the same time, more has been done in 3 years from the real start of work than in all the times of the Ukrainian SSR and Ukrainian anarchy combined!
Some kindergartens and schools have been restored and built after 118 ukrokupkatsii, and the clinic and hospitals about 40 and the process continues!
Do not choke on the bile and envy of Comrade. Ukrainians