How Real is Russia's Technological Independence: Facts and Thoughts

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The head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, Denis Manturov, in a recent interview with the Handelsblatt newspaper of German business circles, said that Russia made the maximum bet on its own digital technologies and solutions, including in the energy sector.

In the interest of national security


Denis Manturov stressed that Russia's desire for independence from foreign IT products is caused by national security considerations. In the future, the government will try to eliminate dependence on foreign suppliers.



As an example, the minister cited history from a slightly different high-tech industry - energy. “I can’t allow the second case,” Manturov said in an interview, “when the supply of turbines to the Crimean peninsula would be called into question."

In this regard, the minister warned Siemens. If it does not transfer intellectual property for the production of large turbines with a capacity of 70 and 160 MW to its subsidiary in Russia, the Russian side will no longer order turbines from it. Russia, according to Manturov, has already begun to develop its own units of this class.

In recent years, we have become accustomed to the term import substitution. In the media and public speeches of government representatives quite often there is information about successes in replacing foreign supplies of food, equipment, components and components for the production of important products for the country.

Behind these positive messages is an unpleasant factor in the new era. In the modern world, the international division of labor is no longer a condition for the effective functioning of the economy. The sanctions that Western governments have carried away are now creating serious problems for individual companies and even entire states.

Russia actively used the advantages of the international division of labor, until it began to annoy the West with its independent policy, strengthening its own economy and authority in the world. The answer was various kinds of restriction, which quickly turned the benefits of international economic cooperation into a big problem for the country.

The level of dependence on imports was prohibitive in Russia. According to the Ministry of Industry and Trade for 2015, it amounted to 44% in the automotive industry, 55% in the shipbuilding industry, 56% in the agricultural machinery industry, 60% in the oil and gas and heavy machinery industries, over 70% in the light and pharmaceutical industries, and in the medical, electronic and machine-tool industry - over 80%, in aircraft construction (including leasing of civil liners) - 92%!

Now the situation has changed positively, at least in the agricultural sector and the military-industrial complex. However, the problem has not lost its relevance. This was shown by the meeting of the interagency commission of the Security Council of Russia on economic and social issues, which took place shortly after the change of government.

In a laconic press release, they said: “The meeting was dedicated to the import substitution of critical technologies in civilian industries. Its participants proposed additional measures of state regulation that would neutralize factors threatening the country's economic security. ”

Russian potential and its implementation


This message has caused a response in the expert environment. It was said that the widely announced import substitution program did not produce the desired effect. They even questioned Russia's ability to gain technological independence. Then they calmed down a bit.

If we discard the extremes in judgments, it is not difficult to notice the positive changes that have occurred in the country in recent years. In Russia, there was its own payment system, electronic devices and their components with high characteristics, their own software, their own processor and much more from the sphere of high technologies.

In the new year there appeared payment cards of the Mir system with a chip for contactless payment of the production of the Russian company Micron. According to experts, these cards are in no way inferior to cards with chip modules of foreign manufacture. But they increase the technological security of the Russian financial system.

The examples presented here from the most high-tech sectors show the potential of Russia. Experts call it a self-sufficient country, implying not only natural resources.

In Russia, a large number of researchers and scientists are 3 researchers per 131 million people (1th place in the world). A high proportion of graduates of engineering and scientific specialties is 29% of the total number of graduates (28,1th place in the world). In this positive picture, there was a place for a fly in the ointment. In terms of volume and quality of investments in new technologies, Russia occupies a modest 13th place in the world.

This is the key question. Knowledge must be converted into real achievements. Without proper funding, this will not work. Last year, the Industrial Development Fund, specially created six years ago to modernize industry, organize new production facilities and provide import substitution, financed 189 projects for a total loan amount of 34,5 billion rubles, which is 30% higher than in 2018 in terms of the number of projects and 24% higher a similar indicator for the amount of loans issued.

In total, in the period 2015-2019, the FRP funded 559 projects of industrial enterprises for a total amount of 119 billion rubles. Moreover, more than 180 borrowers have already launched production in 52 regions of Russia.

Whether it is a lot or a little for a country like Russia, the question is open.

In the media from time to time there are reports that instead of import substitution there is a banal re-marking of foreign products. Last year, according to the Russian Expert website, a Russian telephone an IP phone with quantum encryption was discovered on Amazon. Craftsmen to reduce the cost combined the product, so the super-secure connection turned out to be a big flaw.

In another case, one of the Russian companies introduced Huawei routers and Dell servers, clumsily re-marked for their products. However, these are rare extremes. More often there are cases when companies that are under sanctions simply switch from the Western import market to the Asian one. Either make a new product from Chinese or Indian components.

All these are temporary tricks. The world is entering an era of digital economy and artificial intelligence. Here, you can’t put your “hard-core” into Chinese development. We'll have to spare and spend our own money. The Russian authorities have already declared an independent transition to the digital sphere. There is potential for this. The only question is when and how it will be implemented.
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  1. +35
    2 March 2020 09: 33
    Dreams, dreams, how sweet your dreams are!
    1. -19
      2 March 2020 09: 40
      Quote: DMB 75
      Dreams, dreams, how sweet your dreams are!

      "We were born to make a fairy tale come true."

      Quote: G. Granovsky
      The Russian authorities have already declared an independent transition to the digital sphere.

      Not only declared, but also a new government was formed for this task (it is the government that forms the country's budget).
      1. +30
        2 March 2020 09: 50
        Question:
        How real is the technological independence of Russia: facts and thoughts

        Answer:
        In terms of volume and quality of investments in new technologies, Russia occupies a modest 95th place in the world.

        These are datathe rest is reflections.
        1. KCA
          +4
          2 March 2020 10: 51
          Investments in new technologies in the field of armaments and the country's defense are either not included in this rating at all, or their open part is included, which is closed, as always, remains closed, and it is the development of weapons that ultimately drives the development of all applied science and technology
        2. +1
          2 March 2020 17: 53
          People work, it is not an easy job worthy of respect. But now show business, stars and stars are held in high esteem.
      2. +28
        2 March 2020 09: 53
        Quote: Boris55

        Not only declared, but also a new government was formed for this task.

        What kind of tasks did the government not form, what is new, what will be the same old result. Most of the performers are the same, although in the previous government they obviously could not cope with their duties .. the general policy of the economic state is the same ..
      3. +15
        2 March 2020 10: 04
        Quote: Boris55
        a new government was formed for this task

        I believe that the new government was formed with the aim of increasing exactions from the population. An example is the increase in fines for traffic violations, and new taxes are just around the corner. Medvedev's thesis about the development of the economy through taxes lives
        1. -16
          2 March 2020 10: 19
          Quote: Svarog
          What tasks did the government not form,

          But only for the first time a government was formed for the tasks, and not vice versa, when tasks were formed under the government.

          Quote: Silvestr
          I believe that the new government was formed with the aim of increasing exactions from the population.

          Judging by the old Medvedev government? As K. Prutkov used to say: "Look back at your backs more often, to avoid future notable mistakes".
          1. +13
            2 March 2020 10: 21
            Quote: Boris55
            Judge by the old government of Medvedev?

            Judging by the new planned fines Mishustina laughing
            1. -4
              2 March 2020 10: 24
              Quote: Silvestr
              Judging by the new planned fines Mishustina

              So it seems that it was Mishustin who cooled the "hot heads" about the madness of raising fines above the subsistence level. Yes
              1. +4
                2 March 2020 10: 38
                Yes, there was infa that Mishustin said, "the population does not earn so much to introduce draconian fines" ...
              2. +7
                2 March 2020 10: 53
                Quote: Boris55
                So it’s like it was Mishustin who cooled

                Good and bad cop games
                1. 0
                  2 March 2020 17: 56
                  And don’t break, otherwise you’ll put him in prison ...
              3. -21
                2 March 2020 11: 23
                Boris, what are you arguing with them, voting in April for amendments will again return these visionaries-revolutionaries to the sinful earth from the world of light elves wassat

                Sylvester and Svarog with the BBC with the other liberd will be sad and repent. The Vatnegs will fade again. In general, everything is as always. C - stability

                I decided not to argue with this audience anymore, I will only burn over their worlds with an expiration date

                1. +6
                  2 March 2020 12: 47
                  Quote: s-t Petrov
                  Sylvester and Svarog with the BBC with the other Liberd will be sad and repent

                  never! We will look at your ecstasy, and when your sobering has come, we will laugh laughing
                  1. -19
                    2 March 2020 12: 53
                    Let's look

                    Of course you will.

                    laugh

                    For 30 years you have already put off your laughter. You are a great Ukrainian with a hashtag #soon.

                    #soon there will be a breakthrough and the Sumerians will now burn over Moscow
                    #soon Dolar will be a hundred
                    #soon all travelers will go to The Hague
                    #soon the lord will not be a Jew, but a Cossack
                    #soon revolution
                    #soon pan you
                    #soon Russia will pay Yukos 50 billion
                    #soon Erdogan will drive Russia away from Syria
                    #soon Donbass will be Ukrainian

                    and such feces ... on the topic # soon - over 30 years accumulated.

                    1. +9
                      2 March 2020 12: 59
                      Quote: s-t Petrov
                      For 30 years you have already put off your laughter.

                      I won’t live so long
                      Quote: s-t Petrov
                      You are a great Ukrainian with a hashtag # coming soon.

                      Kostroma we. Kostroma laughing
                      1. -16
                        2 March 2020 13: 03
                        when will payments be made according to Yukos? How soon?

                      2. +8
                        2 March 2020 15: 15
                        Quote: s-t Petrov
                        when will payments be made according to Yukos? How soon

                        as "Naftogaz" of Ukraine laughing
                      3. -3
                        2 March 2020 16: 12
                        as "Naftogaz" of Ukraine


                        Do you think it will be overpowering with Yukos? Soon, yes?)

                      4. +7
                        2 March 2020 17: 43
                        Quote: s-t Petrov
                        Do you think it will be overpowering with Yukos?

                        I do not know, there are a lot of hiccups in this matter. After all, they are planning arrests behind the cordon. The decision of the Dutch court is final
                    2. +5
                      2 March 2020 13: 04

                      you look very harmonious hi
                      1. -13
                        2 March 2020 13: 57
                        I'll write about harmony on April 22 drinks
                      2. +9
                        2 March 2020 14: 49
                        Those. are you, comrade Petrov, a monarchist?
                        April 22 will be the only vote-to leave Putin forever in power. Until the end of his days. Return to the Politburo of the CPSU? :)
                        On the topic of the article have something to say?
                      3. -2
                        2 March 2020 16: 14
                        On the topic of the article have something to say?

                        you need to compare with something. technological independence of which countries is taken as a model? Which countries are independent? I would look at the list

                      4. +7
                        2 March 2020 16: 18
                        Well, for example ...
                        Compare Japan with China and Russia. In the field of microelectronics, machine tools and automotive.
                        And add a cherry to the example of the USSR.
                      5. -4
                        2 March 2020 16: 50
                        Compare Japan with China and Russia.


                        All three countries make a short-haul narrow-body passenger aircraft.
                      6. +6
                        2 March 2020 16: 52
                        Which is this Superjet? Or a replacement for the famous "Corn"?
                        Well, Superjet is a joint project. By the way, there are too many problems with him lately. And "Kukuruznik" - that is how the Investigative Committee should be sent there - everything is so corrupt there that no one cares about the plane.
                      7. -5
                        2 March 2020 17: 02
                        Is that a superjet?


                        Yes. Specific project. Analogs are produced in the remaining 2 countries from your list (Japan and China). Started plus minus at the same time.

                        By the way, there have been too many problems with him lately.


                        Well, let's compare a specific project. I’ll tell you about 3 models about the problems (I understand that you only know about the problems of the superjet, but here’s a reason to compare, so to speak, find information), about budgets and about the technical independence of Japan and China, against the background of a Russian bast

                      8. +7
                        2 March 2020 17: 29
                        I look so that you do not understand the essence of the original question.
                        We will not continue the topic.
                        And about the technological backwardness of Russia - the name of the program speaks better than me: "IMPORT SUBSTITUTION"
                      9. -6
                        2 March 2020 17: 31
                        And about the technological backwardness of Russia - the name of the program speaks better than me: "IMPORT SUBSTITUTION"


                        wassat n - patriotism. Vote in the name of you, Sergei, too.

                      10. +6
                        2 March 2020 17: 32
                        wassat n - patriotism

                        you just suffer from this. And as a realist, I don’t like everything that happens in the country.
                      11. -9
                        2 March 2020 17: 33
                        And to me, as a realist, everything happening I don’t like the country.

                        well, that's okay, I think you everything happening not like in the country.

                        And I like a lot. Right in awe. I consider one of the best countries for living. Wonderful country.

                        Nihon Keizai (Japan): Russian nuclear power is taking over the world. Russia supplies America with nuclear fuel. Japan stays behind


                        I opened a Japanese little article here, and to them Patriot, the realist, had not yet talked about backward and lapotnaya. Well, I don’t know - this is probably just the headline - and in the article Japan is likely to sank the Russian girl - I won’t read it. So as not to be upset.


                      12. +9
                        2 March 2020 18: 03
                        Are you sitting at a computer of Russian assembly and on Russian software? Do you have a Russian brand TV at home? Refrigerator? Do you have a Russian mobile phone? Is the furniture that you have in your kitchen made with Russian equipment?
                        You do not confuse warm with soft. We lag behind and are far behind in the production of means of production (such a pun). We have imported equipment, imported assembly lines. Even the advertisement that they give you on the street is printed on imported equipment.
                        And I don’t need to talk about space and nuclear energy here. Just look at the output factors of metallurgists, as an example. Look in Moscow how many Russian cars are on the street.
                        What kind of development are you talking about here?
                      13. -8
                        2 March 2020 18: 31
                        What kind of development are you talking about here?


                        Our industry has been growing in a row for many many months. Unbelievable but true.

                        We lag and lag


                        therefore, China and Japan can not make a civilian aircraft - having spent several times more on this than Russia?

                        Are you sitting at a computer of Russian assembly and on Russian software? Do you have a Russian brand TV at home? Refrigerator? Do you have a Russian mobile phone? Is the furniture that you have in your kitchen made with Russian equipment?


                        No, but Russia can do what China and Japan cannot do.
                        So they are also technologically dependent?

                        And where are the technologically independent countries then?

                      14. +5
                        2 March 2020 18: 40
                        Over 40 systems from 10 countries of the world are purchased for a superjet!
                        The economic growth of the Russian Federation over 20 years amounted to 22,3%. This is approximately a percentage with a tail per year - which is within the limits of static error. The growth of the Chinese economy by 30 times, even Belarus, which buys energy from us, has grown the economy by 6 times. For the same 20 years. Yes, an increase of 22,3% is impressive! Awesome success.
                        Really, there is something to be proud of!
                        Japan and China are doing many times more than what Russia can produce.
                        I will repeat it again, I have already said. In Detsky Mir stores, almost all plastic toys are from China. Googled yourself how many technologies and industries are needed to produce SUCH amount of toys for export.
                        And then tell me again about "ahead of the rest".
                      15. -6
                        2 March 2020 18: 51
                        Over 40 systems from 10 countries of the world are purchased for a superjet!


                        So the Chinese aircraft are made exclusively from Chinese components, and the Japanese from Japanese? laughing here it is - technological independence

                        And then tell me again about "ahead of the rest".


                        why do you ascribe your fantasies to me?

                        Zagugli himself, how many technologies and industries it is necessary to produce such a quantity of toys for export.


                        wassat probably the aircraft industry is the least labor-intensive industry and there are fewer technologies

                      16. +4
                        2 March 2020 18: 59
                        My friend, you’re a maniac. You grabbed onto the plane.
                        Well, you will have a plane. Soviet TU, Yak and IL - all produced in the USSR. And in the USSR-controlled countries of the Warsaw Treaty. This is what I consider to be technological independence.
                        Everything else is demagogy.
                        And further. See the export. What the Russian Federation sells for export. Of course, now you will cling to a weapon. But besides weapons - the main thing that we sell is capaciously characterized by one word: RAW MATERIAL.
                        A technologically developed country is trying to sell finished products. Rather, what would you have less to cling to: the percentage of final production should prevail over the raw material component. Of course, China also sells raw materials, many technologically advanced countries sell it. But they also have a percentage of final products (consumer goods both individually and for enterprises) is incommensurably higher. And here the Russian Federation can’t boast of anything.
                        As evidence of the commodity economy: SP-1, SP-2, Power of Siberia, South Stream.
                        PySy. Something you do not seek to discuss the growth of economies.
                      17. -4
                        2 March 2020 19: 01
                        You grabbed onto the plane.

                        laughing Well, compared? indicators for 3 models. Japanese, Russian and Chinese counterparts

                        As evidence of the commodity economy: SP-1, SP-2, Power of Siberia, South Stream.

                        laughing Now we’ll only deal with the plane
                      18. +2
                        2 March 2020 19: 04
                        You can laugh as much as you like. The fact that we are a raw material, technologically backward economy is undeniable.
                        By the way, remind me, how many airlines refused to buy "high-tech" Superjets?
                      19. -5
                        2 March 2020 19: 05
                        why don't you like superjet so much? He is more successful than the analogues of these 2 wonderland, which are technologically independent and, in general, do not slurp soup.

                        Why are you spitting on a successful project being implemented by your country?)

                        .
                      20. +1
                        2 March 2020 19: 07
                        Why do not like? I flew on it, I liked it.
                        I just want to explain to you - this is a JOINT project. And you persistently consider him Russian. Yes, they collect from us, but see the question above.
                      21. -3
                        2 March 2020 19: 08
                        Well, since you don’t understand what I’m talking about, I’ll ask in the forehead.
                        What model of a civilian aircraft was assembled from components of one country?

                        PS I’m writing this to the fact that it’s time to recognize that Russia, against the background of these two countries, is at least a leader in aircraft manufacturing

                      22. -1
                        2 March 2020 19: 14
                        What model of a civilian aircraft was assembled from components of one country?


                        Lockheed Constellation, Douglas DC-6, Douglas DC-7 - I hope that's enough?
                        I will answer in advance my next question: now in the world airplanes with components of one country can be made in the USA, France, Sweden, China. The question is that in the EU, production sharing, in the US, the plane will be very expensive, and China will have problems with reliability.
                        Russia could produce airplanes, but now many industries and systems are almost completely "killed", there is simply no one to produce.
                      23. -4
                        2 March 2020 19: 18
                        Lockheed Constellation, Douglas DC-6, Douglas DC-7 - I hope that's enough?

                        Well, that’s not even funny.

                        The question is that in the EU, production sharing, in the US, the plane will be very expensive, and China will have problems with reliability.


                        how many conditions are there for producing a successful aircraft, right? How did you straighten up right now, whitewashing and explaining why you can’t do everything in one country. But he said that the CCJ is JOINT !! 1 !! 1 And he didn’t even understand why.

                        I do not understand your position) and it is here among many. But I understand why the conditional great Ukrainian will write like that. In his case, this will be normal.

                        Russia could produce airplanes, but now many industries and systems are almost completely "killed", there is simply no one to produce.


                        Upset you, Russia produces planes. Both civilian and military.
                        And the engines are on the way. This is another backward technology from lapotnyh - PD

                      24. +2
                        2 March 2020 19: 24
                        I do not understand your position)

                        That is, you are proud of the atomic energy, that we can still fly into space, that we have released a certain mega-airplane, and you don’t understand that 80% of what surrounds you is import? I understand when imports are 20%, but not 80 at all.
                        Well, that’s not even funny.

                        Why isn’t it funny? Aircraft fully produced by one country.
                        How did you straighten up right now, whitewashing and explaining why you can’t do everything in one country.

                        Am I tense? Don't fantasize. I am explaining something else to you, but you, as you say, "do not understand."
                      25. +5
                        2 March 2020 19: 16
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        More than 40 systems from 10 countries of the world are being purchased for a superjet! The growth of the Russian economy over 20 years amounted to 22,3%. This is approximately a percentage with a tail per year - which is within the limits of static error. The growth of the Chinese economy by 30 times, even Belarus, which buys energy from us, has grown the economy by 6 times. For the same 20 years. Yes, an increase of 22,3% is impressive! Awesome success.

                        Colleague, you are hurting them, there may be a cognitive dissonance between the evening M. and reality. And if they find out that according to the coefficient of well-being, we are not even included in the first hundred countries, then some may be enough, while others will shout that this is a lie. And imagine suddenly a fabulous situation that Putin will appoint an extraordinary press conference and will not show cartoons about waving, but will tell the truth, even if not all ... we will not count many "pravdorubov" and "patriots" ...
                      26. 0
                        2 March 2020 19: 18
                        And imagine suddenly a fabulous situation that Putin will appoint an extraordinary press conference and will not show cartoons about waving, but will tell the truth, even if not all ... we will not count many "pravdorubov" and "patriots"

                        Pathos I will add: And Russia will not lose ANYTHING from this!
                      27. +22
                        21 November 2020 16: 10
                        Quote: Malyuta
                        Colleague, you hurt them

                        Maybe they like it wink
                        Quote: Malyuta
                        if they find out that by the coefficient of well-being we are not even included in the first hundred countries

                        They won't know. If they find out, they will say that this is the State Department's propaganda.
                      28. +5
                        2 March 2020 19: 26
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        April 22 will be the only vote-to leave Putin forever in power. Until the end of his days. Return to the Politburo of the CPSU? :)

                        The only difference is that then people passed through a sieve of primary organizations and the Politburo were already experienced managers, and now there will be a "lake" inherited, however, the monarchy.
                      29. +1
                        2 March 2020 19: 29
                        This is there, a little higher, someone Petrov does not understand and is trying to prove to me how technologically advanced Russia is. And he corrects his previous answer after reading mine :)
                        New in the manuals of the Darkest.
                      30. +3
                        2 March 2020 21: 45
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        This is there, a little higher, someone Petrov does not understand and is trying to prove to me how technologically advanced Russia is. And he corrects his previous answer after reading mine :) New in the Darkest manuals.

                        The last thirty years of the Russian Federation were thrown back to the 13th year of the last century, while RI was just selling a lot of grain, and the people were starving, collecting dead wood and burning torches, and he was 11 years old before Ilyich’s bulb. Russobalt was screwdriverly collected, and the Fokkers and Farmans plowed the sky. In the villages there were two entertainments, a church and a kkabak, but the bastards the Bolsheviks forcibly built clubs and hospitals.
                        And Petrov, in my humble opinion, is just a Troll, he doesn’t have time to swing, it is needed for jerks, breakthroughs, breaks, in return, backswings, swoops and animated heroes of the leader of all Siberian Cranes, the savior of all tiger amphorae, the goleodor of all clubs and red ice tracks .. For all it can be seen forever, like water, fire and the August sky.
                      31. +6
                        2 March 2020 15: 14
                        Quote: s-t Petrov
                        I'll write about harmony on April 22

                        know, know how to write and how you think laughing
                    3. +7
                      2 March 2020 15: 56
                      with the hashtag # coming soon.

                      #soon Russians will receive an average of $ 2700 per month
                      #soon Russians will have at least 100 sqm per family of 3 people
                      #soon the middle class will be half the population
                      #soon 25 million high-tech jobs will be created
                      #soon Caucasus will become a tourist mecca
                      #soon every citizen will receive a share from the sale of natural resources
                      #soon Russia will be the leader of the global economy and politics
                      1. -8
                        2 March 2020 16: 03
                        I’ll make the right choice, don’t worry, Vadim. I’ll remember everyone here feel

                        April 22, I’m waiting for all of you on the VO forum, after the vote
                        The inevitability of voting and its results inspire me in advance

                        I will prepare a post and dedicate it to your struggle. I’ll prepare the saddened tweets of the BBC, Deutchewell and Khodorkovsky’s tears. The post will be beautiful.

                        Your siblings will certainly be as usual, but such is life and your fate. Let's look at the quality of your struggle again
                      2. +4
                        2 March 2020 16: 39
                        The inevitability of voting and its results inspire me in advance

                        A well-known outcome inspires you, but scares normal people.

                        But most importantly, in the mornings to perform "God Save the Lord", so that the dark feudal-serf future would come as soon as possible.

                        With people like you, it will not be long, and the streets will be afraid of "whose will".
                      3. -7
                        2 March 2020 16: 44
                        With people like you, it will not be long, and the streets will be afraid of "whose will".

                        and that will be? wassat
                        And why wait? Have you personally missed 20 years?
                        Personally you, so as not to ephemerally about "will ask" - you personally - when will you start asking?

                        Feel free to answer)
          2. +4
            2 March 2020 19: 33
            Quote: Boris55
            But only for the first time a government was formed for the tasks, and not vice versa, when tasks were formed under the government.

            Quote: Boris55
            But only for the first time a government was formed for the tasks, and not vice versa, when tasks were formed under the government.

            This is yes, given that the government has changed chairs with its curators. A simple question for you, what will happen if you mix a bucket of shit with a bucket of jam?
        2. +5
          2 March 2020 10: 53
          The increase in fines is generally from a different opera. Well, just for an example. exceeding and a fine of 500 rubles scared me a little. But 5000 will make you think. Most of the drivers, receiving not small fines for speeding, etc., eventually began to comply with traffic rules. Comprehensive measures made it possible for the driver to understand the inevitability of punishment, which served to improve the behavior of drivers on the road. And this is a fact.
          1. +5
            2 March 2020 10: 58
            Quote: carstorm 11
            5000 will force

            Why 5000, not 50000?
            How does the size of the fine correlate with the average salary and pension in the country?
            1. -4
              2 March 2020 11: 23
              what does the salary and pensions have to do with it? these are punitive measures. they are generally needed for other purposes. the higher the fines, the less people want to behave as underdeveloped on the roads. and I personally hold my hands for such an approach. I come across such people every day and I can conclude for myself that there are fewer of them.
              1. +9
                2 March 2020 12: 51
                Quote: carstorm 11
                what does the salary and pensions have to do with it?

                Do you consider drivers to be a Maybach driver or a gelding?
                According to Avtostat, as of early 2019, there were 25,4 million cars in Russia over the age of 10. This is 58% of the country's total passenger car fleet.
                What income do drivers of these cars live on?
                Quote: carstorm 11
                these are punitive measures. they are generally needed for other purposes. the higher the fines the less people want

                "The most important thing is not harshness, but the inevitability of punishment" - Putin! laughing
                1. +11
                  2 March 2020 13: 04
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  "The most important thing is not harshness, but the inevitability of punishment" - Putin!

                  There is no time for buildup! (Putin) laughing Already twenty years ..
                2. +1
                  2 March 2020 20: 42
                  Once again, this is a punitive measure. What does the brand of car have to do with it? everyone should ride by the rules. violation of the speed limit is a mortal risk for all participants in the movement. age of cars, again at what? the older she is, the stronger you can bullish on the roads? you argue as if getting fines is fine. violation of traffic rules is in the order of things. for example, I’ve never buckled my whole life. what for? Fine penny. Well, slow down. Well, I’ll cry ... I think I’m alone with similar thoughts on the roads? and these measures just such thoughts from silly heads like mine very well knock out.
              2. +9
                2 March 2020 13: 48
                Quote: carstorm 11
                the higher the fines, the less people want to behave as underdeveloped on the roads. and I personally hold my hands for such an approach.

                carstorm 11, there are such clauses of the Rules that 99% of drivers violate. And if someone does not violate, then he thereby provokes emergency situations for other drivers.
                If the Government had the goal of ending traffic violations on the roads, then this would have long been done.
                For example. We introduce “barrage” fines. Say any violation of 30 rubles. Doesn't scare? Do you have a Maybach? OK. Plus the fine is an administrative arrest of 000 days. Is that okay?
                But nobody goes for it. Because:
                According to last year, police in Russia issued 142 million orders for fines for traffic violations, TASS reports citing traffic police.
                Total fines issued in the amount of 106,5 billion rubles

                Now imagine that all at once they began to travel all the letters of the traffic rules.
                There is a hole in the budget of 100. All mounted cameras, all mobile photofixes, tow trucks, parking lots, people involved in this - everything is under the knife.
                Do you think this will not affect you at the household level?
                Oh well. I’ll see how many hours you’ll just stand in the morning trying to turn out of your yard onto the road with heavy traffic, if, according to the traffic rules, no one will let you through, you’ll be late for work for a couple of hours - you need to get up earlier. And your ordered pizza will be brought cold and delayed by an hour.

                Now everyone is more or less happy with everything. Want to quickly - pay 500 rubles and go. And with drunkenness and other serious violations, and so everything is tough.
                1. +8
                  2 March 2020 15: 29
                  Quote: kit88
                  . And with drunkenness ...

                  driving- take away the rights forever! Arrest in a car!
                  1. +7
                    2 March 2020 15: 41
                    In certain cases it is possible.
                    And only by court order.
                    Otherwise, how to separate a stoned addict who does not understand anything at all and got behind the wheel from a carrier who consumed a glass of wine a couple of hours ago. Both are guilty of course, but the punishment must be different.
                2. 0
                  2 March 2020 20: 44
                  listen. when with such children in a car such a hurry will slam into you then we will argue. in the meantime, I still can’t convince you. it is necessary to feel it. although I sincerely do not wish you this.
        3. -4
          2 March 2020 12: 21
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Boris55
          a new government was formed for this task

          I believe that the new government was formed with the aim of increasing exactions from the population. An example is the increase in fines for traffic violations, and new taxes are just around the corner. Medvedev's thesis about the development of the economy through taxes lives

          You're right ... The main thing is to connect Russia's technological independence in time with fines and requisitions, and then quickly throw it on the fan. Manipulator ... demagogue ...
        4. +8
          2 March 2020 13: 02
          Quote: Silvestr

          I believe that the new government was formed with the aim of increasing exactions from the population. An example is the increase in fines for traffic violations, and new taxes are just around the corner.

          Tax increase in 2020:
          From January 1, 2020, Russia will see a sharp increase in taxes for companies and individual entrepreneurs. Small business taxes will grow especially. Simplified magazine has prepared a complete list of taxes that will increase in 2020.

          -Growth of payroll taxes
          -VAT rate
          - Excise taxes on gasoline, vodka and cigarettes
          - Growth UTII since 2020
          -Increase taxes on simplists
          -Increase taxes for individual entrepreneurs
          -The self-employed tax will be distributed throughout Russia
          -Introduction of tax on the cadastral value of property
          https://zen.yandex.ru/media/26-2.ru/povyshenie-nalogov-v-rossii-s-2020-goda-polnyi-perechen-5d9b438a1febd400b191ebe0
          And all this in the conditions of falling incomes of citizens and the general economic recession ..
          The only country in the world that, in a crisis, tightens the nuts, and does not stimulate the economy ..
          And of course, all these measures will affect the price increase ..
      4. +17
        2 March 2020 10: 25
        Quote: Boris55
        "We were born to make a fairy tale come true."

        Since the time of the tagged, we are all rebuilding something, reforming it, and the fairy tale is not becoming true.
        Quote: Boris55
        and a new government has been formed for this task

        The new government and the continuation of the old government policy.
        Nothing will change. It is important not who plays the roles on the stage, but who the author is.
        1. -11
          2 March 2020 10: 28
          Quote: Arlen
          The new government, the continuation of the old government policy.

          And it cannot be otherwise, because the country's budget has been formed by the previous government and the country still lives in the old way.
          1. +2
            2 March 2020 13: 09
            Quote: Boris55
            the country still lives in the old way.

            20 years old? Yes. Moses drove longer!

            After all, they can build castles on sand and water!
        2. +21
          21 November 2020 16: 11
          And it won't. It won't because the authorities need stability in the extraction and sale of resources abroad, and they are not interested in domestic affairs.
        3. +23
          21 November 2020 16: 11
          Change, do not change the government, there will be no sense. The system needs to be changed.
      5. +24
        2 March 2020 10: 37
        Quote: Boris55
        new government formed

        a new government that abandoned:
        1. The release of the poor from personal income tax and abandoned the progressive scale of taxation.
        2. pension reform will not be canceled.
        a change of government in today's conditions is akin to the expression "the amount does not change from the rearrangement of the places of the terms."
        1. +4
          2 March 2020 13: 31
          Quote: Askold Matveev
          a new government that abandoned:
          1. The release of the poor from personal income tax and abandoned the progressive scale of taxation.
          2. pension reform will not be canceled.
          a change of government in today's conditions is akin to the expression "the amount does not change from the rearrangement of the places of the terms."

          Boris lives with hopes and illusions along with Petrov
          1. +4
            2 March 2020 13: 40
            Quote: Silvestr
            Boris lives with hopes and illusions along with Petrov

            No Petrov lives on inspiration laughing
            1. -5
              5 March 2020 14: 20
              Quote: Svarog
              No Petrov lives on inspiration

              I don’t know how Petrov lives, but certainly not how you and Sylvester lie and idle chatter.
        2. -8
          2 March 2020 14: 37
          Quote: Askold Matveev
          1. The release of the poor from personal income tax and abandoned the progressive scale of taxation.

          And for what reason should they not pay personal income tax? That is, I should, but they should not be any special? On a progressive scale:
          As historical experience in the 20th century showed, a significant increase in the maximum income rate does not lead to a noticeable slowdown in the economy or to an increase in tax revenues to the state. A highly progressive taxation scale works more as a limit on the income of the rich.
          Quote: Askold Matveev
          2. pension reform will not be canceled.

          And why should it be canceled? No, of course you can cancel it, only consequences like you have already explained 150 times, but it cannot reach you.
        3. +22
          21 November 2020 16: 11
          This is not beneficial to the authorities. It is beneficial for them that people would work more and longer for their benefit.
        4. +22
          21 November 2020 16: 11
          There is no sense from the progressive scale. If it is introduced, our home-grown bourgeois will have a new way of avoiding taxation and substituting workers with pensions through wage manipulation.
      6. +5
        2 March 2020 11: 10
        I don’t know what to call it, probably a reminder - 20 years, during this time a couple of hundred billionaires, including underground ones, have appeared. And the government is formed only now.
    2. +21
      2 March 2020 09: 47
      The only question is when and how it will be implemented.

      There is no doubt that Russia has a huge potential, we are completely self-sufficient. But the author finished his article with a very correct question .. Which is the whole point. We have many good undertakings that do not lead to anything .. And this is the whole problem. As long as officials do not bear serious responsibility for the projects entrusted to them, until the state determines clear priorities, as long as corruption and nepotism are beyond the limits, nothing can be expected except draining funds .. and if they have not given birth in 20 years, and now the same people give birth to nothing will not be able to.
      1. dSK
        +1
        2 March 2020 12: 14
        The leader of the Batkivshchyna party, Yulia Tymoshenko, criticized the Ukrainian authorities on the air of the Nash TV channel because of the fall in industry in the country. The politician drew attention to the more than twenty percent drop in production after the change of government.
        This is a conscious planned policy of the destruction of our country. Who is behind this policy? National Bank of Ukraine, which is under external control, there is no Ukrainian strategy, there is no Ukrainian system of interests, there is a conscious policy of the destruction of Ukraine.
        - Yulia Tymoshenko, Ukrainian politician. / News 21:05 28/02/20

        If the State Bank of Russia appears in the new Constitution of Russia, it will new Constitution.
        Economics is the foundation, politics is the superstructure.
        1. +3
          2 March 2020 14: 33
          dSK
          Question. And why did they come to the question of the Constitution only 20 years later? Who prevented Putin, having a controlled Duma from making changes in 2008? or in 2012?
          Those. a change in the term of the deputy and presidency - and this is a change in the Constitution - was carried out without even asking us, and then suddenly, SUDDENLY, a vote is required. Actually, a referendum is needed. These are different things.
          Now on. The fact that import substitution has completely failed is clear to everyone. Household incomes are falling, enterprises are on the verge of bankruptcy. If import substitution were possible, there would be economic growth, and it would have stagnation. Only resource-mining and resource-selling and live.
          1. +21
            21 November 2020 16: 12
            In the context of Russia's economic dependence on the West, any import substitution is doomed to failure.
      2. 0
        3 November 2022 15: 55
        Amen from 2022, because this year everything is the same as in 2020 (and in 2014, 2008, 2003, 2000). You have one mistake in reasoning - you operate with the concept of the state. What is it? In English, this concept has no analogue: state is territory, gov is government, authority is power. Speaking about the concrete - development - one cannot use the non-concrete. As long as government bodies (gov) do not use authority for development in our territory (state), nothing will happen.
    3. +1
      2 March 2020 10: 14
      Quote: DMB 75
      Dreams, dreams, how sweet your dreams are!

      That is yes. But here we must remember that any discovery and achievement previously was the dream of a researcher, engineer, scientist. And if you do not dream about something, do not strive for it, then it will not come true.
    4. +2
      2 March 2020 12: 14
      Now the situation has changed positively, at least in the agricultural sector and the military-industrial complex. However, the problem has not lost its relevance

      The article again contains mutually exclusive phrases, if the problem remains the same, does not lose relevance, then how could the situation change? We must stop fooling ourselves with verbal balancing act.
      If the problem is the same, then the import substitution program has been disrupted.
      Again, the main economists and organizations of the Russian Federation do not even criticize, but argue that import substitution is unnecessary and harmful, we look at the articles of Kudrin, Gref, or the newspaper "Komersant". How can you build an economic policy if the financial and economic bloc is against it?
  2. +10
    2 March 2020 09: 37
    There is potential for this. The only question is when and how it will be implemented.
    So far this is in many respects WORDS. The way in which the subordinate ministry of Mr. Manturov acts indicates that he does not have a clear position.
    A bet on your own IT technologies is great, but when will you rely on your own hardware?
    Refusal of Siemens turbines ... it's high time, but why is the financing of our developments being carried out then "frozen"? And so in everything. This is not politics, but "shyness". If you choose a course, then you need to adhere to it, and not change it, every half hour
    1. +2
      2 March 2020 09: 49
      Quote: svp67
      but why is the financing of our developments being carried out or "frozen"?

      Because with normal financing, any project will develop. This is not our way. The ancestors of industrialization and war, with a massive shortage of everything, somehow worked, twisted, and here we are keeping engineers in good shape laughing
      1. +11
        2 March 2020 10: 07
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        here we are keeping engineers in good shape

        This neglect of engineers and other specialties reflects the essence. And what is the end result? Only words?
    2. +16
      2 March 2020 09: 50
      Quote: svp67
      This is not politics, but "shyness".

      A shy says that in fact there is no clear course. They still cannot prioritize. Designate goals, deadlines, control at all stages, responsible persons, etc. I have long had the impression that everything is just wiped on the pants, because in 20 years you can already give birth to something at least ..
      1. +12
        2 March 2020 10: 03
        Quote: Svarog
        I have long had the impression that everything is just wiped on the pants, because in 20 years you can already give birth to something at least ..

        And the most disgusting thing is that after 20 years they "suddenly" start to "notice" something, "low salaries", then "that a third of medical institutions do not have hot water supply, but water supply in general" and this is in the background " fairy tales, "how far we have advanced" medical care and how much new equipment has been supplied ... but there is no one to work on it, and deputies and other VIPs have gone and are still being treated abroad ... It's no longer funny.
        Like what we are doing, a truly breakthrough MS-21, but somehow we did not bother to immediately establish the production of composites of their own raw materials on our territory. And so on many points ...
        We do not have our own test bench for testing new high-voltage equipment, so specialists are forced to negotiate and travel to the same South Korea ... here is a "superpower" ... cars, ships, computers, smartphones, electrical appliances, stands ...
        1. 0
          3 November 2022 15: 58
          And these people will do something in 2022? Yes, they will try to somehow “climb out” onto the old bank (even if it is closer to the water and not so convenient) and freeze.
  3. -9
    2 March 2020 09: 38
    According to the Ministry of Industry and Trade for 2015

    The author, but according to the latest data, there were no data for 2019 (???)
    Just on the site "Made by us" and on the resource "Russia Forward" - the data is NOT so upanic (!!!) negative
    1. +24
      2 March 2020 10: 00
      Quote: Romario_Argo
      Just on the site "Made by us" and on the resource "Russia Forward" - the data is NOT so upanic (!!!)

      It’s just that these resources are extremely vile campaigns that are extremely far from real life. On which they pathetically scream about the opening of a hardware workshop, already for 10-20 jobs, and are silent in a rag, about the destruction of, say, the Vladimir motor-tractor plant.
      1. -3
        2 March 2020 11: 09
        extremely far from real life

        this is your opinion
        somehow I don’t feel any negativity in real life
        Yes, many were closed - leeches, stuck, freeloaders
        for the Vladimirsky plant, these are questions as an option for managers and not for the state - this is an emergency
        Emergencies are three pillars: possession, use, disposal
        I don’t see the guilt of the state (!)
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      2. -4
        2 March 2020 14: 46
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        It’s just that these resources are extremely vile campaigns that are extremely far from real life.

        What agitation? Go to the site Made with us and post here on VO at least one example from this site where lies. And count how many plants are built each month and how many jobs. And for your information, the level of automation in modern factories makes it possible not to hire tens of thousands of workers.
        In the fall of 2017, the assets of the Tractor Plants concern were transferred to the Rostec state corporation, whose representatives recorded the extremely difficult situation of the Vladimir Motor and Tractor Plant: “Due to debts, production has been stopped, there has been inefficient use of space for a long time, the company has about 400 employees, while the output is extremely low. ” On November 30, 2017, VMTZ workers were employed by transferring to the Cheboksary “Promtractor” and put into a simple one. On July 20, 2018, the entire plant staff of 300 employees was reduced. Production facilities and equipment are very dilapidated. Some of the buildings were empty and destroyed.
        Not the state should build factories, but create conditions for their construction. And if the owner of the plant could not create competitive products, then the government is not to blame. Or do you think the state should buy a loss-making plant, and then invest billions there, so as not to close it? This is not a military industrial complex.
    2. +10
      2 March 2020 11: 06
      Dear, Roman.
      It was the 27th year since the creation of New Russia. The new Russia quickly and confidently rose from its knees after the 70-year tyranny of the IGA Socialism. The bright future of the Digital Economy played with all bright colors against the background of a faded Russian industry: "... Project objectives. To make the Internet accessible to everyone. To cover the largest cities with 5G. To protect the information of citizens, business and the state. To increase the efficiency of the main sectors of the economy at the expense of introduction of new technologies. Prepare the personnel of the future, taking into account end-to-end digitalization. Stimulate investments in new areas, increasing the share of costs for the development of the digital economy in GDP by three times ... "
      And at this time (THE DATA IS THE FIRST FRESH from the Accounts Chamber): "... In 41,1% of all Russian medical institutions, the number of which exceeds 116 thousand, as of January 1, 2019, there was no central heating ..."
      P.S. I propose amending the Constitution: The hospital should have hot water and heating.
      1. -4
        2 March 2020 11: 56
        and who set up such hospitals in which there is no central heating?)))
  4. +1
    2 March 2020 09: 40
    The head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, Denis Manturov, in a recent interview with the Handelsblatt newspaper of German business circles, said that Russia made the maximum bet on its own digital technologies and solutions, including in the energy sector.

    It’s possible to make a bet, but the state’s technological development is NOT a GAME !!!
    Hoping for luck ??? this is from the category of complete nonsense, WORK is necessary, efforts and resources should be invested in the process, and not with your hands to wave and cheeks to inflate.
    1. 0
      2 March 2020 12: 19
      It’s possible to make a bet, but the state’s technological development is NOT a GAME !!!

      France relied on its international corporations.
      1. 0
        2 March 2020 13: 13
        I suppose they worked seriously, invested serious resources on this topic, and therefore there are obvious successes.
        1. +1
          2 March 2020 13: 27
          they worked seriously, invested serious resources

          That's right, if you mean politics by bid.
          And in the Russian Federation "rate" is from the category of empty promises and imitation of activity.
          The real policy of the Russian Federation is the export of resources and money and the solicitation of investments (letting the country hire a master)
          1. 0
            2 March 2020 18: 11
            What does politics have to do with it, or rather, it’s not the main thing. The situation in our case is such that we can rely on internal resources, with minimal impact from somewhere from the outside.
            To say that nothing is done directly is impossible, but the volume of investments will not help with a reasonable approach on the part of the authorities. This is obvious and this doesn’t work out well.
  5. +4
    2 March 2020 09: 41
    Already on the Chinese development you can’t put your “hard-core”
    Now Photonov, but Shasmanov more than Kamaz with the Urals on the roads, have survived.
    1. +1
      2 March 2020 13: 14
      Now Photonov, but Shasmanov more than Kamazov with the Urals on the roads, have survived

      Indeed, the Shakmans are bought in bulk in the CIS, it seems Kamaz is losing these markets, but based on your statements, apparently the Russian Federation is also moving to the Shakmans.



      Who monitored the construction of the Crimean bridge will not let lie that the vast majority of construction equipment, foreign production, even tractors and rollers.
      On the other hand, the Zulus do not have their own production, but they have everything, the main thing is to sell more bananas, apparently the government is guided by this principle.
  6. +7
    2 March 2020 09: 47
    Russia's desire for independence from foreign IT products is caused by national security considerations
    It was clear back in the very deep yesterday.
    In the future, the government will try to eliminate dependence on foreign suppliers.
    But this is an interesting question: when will the very future come for the government of the country? If the government has lived all these years exclusively for today? And one more question, to the heap: interruption of Chinese nameplates on devices / components is an exception to dependence on foreign suppliers?
    1. +5
      2 March 2020 10: 13
      Quote: Dalny V
      when will this very future come for the government of the country?

      When there was time and opportunities for the development of industry, kissed with partners, now that the window of opportunity has narrowed, there will be moaning. Where now and from whom to get technology? China's best friend?
  7. +19
    2 March 2020 09: 47
    Our main misfortune is the obvious interest of the authorities depending on the West. And how can she not be if, according to press reports:
    - Dmitry Kozak has a residence permit (residence permit) in Switzerland.
    Olga Golodets has a residence permit in Italy. Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov has permanent residence in Spain.
    The Minister of Labor and Social Protection Maxim Topilin has a residence permit in Bulgaria.
    Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade George Kalamanov has a residence permit in the UK.
    The deputy minister of economic development, an Azerbaijani Talybov, has a residence permit in France.
    Deputy Minister of Finance Alexey Lavrov has permanent residence in Italy.
    Murad Kerimov, Deputy Minister of Natural Resources and Ecology, has permanent residence in France and Cyprus residence permit.
    Deputy Minister of Culture Nikolay Ovsienko has a residence permit in Bulgaria.
    Governors:
    Andrey Vorobyov Governor of the Moscow Region has a residence permit in Spain and Israel
    . Alexander Uss Governor of the Krasnoyarsk Territory has a residence permit in Germany.
    Stanislav Voskresensky governor of the Ivanovo region has a US green card.
    Boris Dubrovsky, ex-governor of the Chelyabinsk region has a residence permit in Switzerland.
    Maxim Liksutov, vice-mayor of Moscow, head of the Department of Transport has Cyprus citizenship.
    Members of the Federation Council:
    Valery Ponomarev has British citizenship.
    Boris Nevzorov holds the citizenship of Cyprus.
    Andrey Klishas has permanent residence in Switzerland.
    Arsen Kanokov has a UK residence permit.
    Elena Mizulina has a residence permit in Belgium.
    Alexander Babakov has British citizenship. Suleiman Kerimov has permanent residence in France.
    Deputies of the State Duma:
    Alexander Zhukov - Residence Permit of Great Britain.
    Andrey Golushko - residence permit in France.
    Grigory Anikeev - Spanish citizenship.
    Ayrat Khayrullin - permanent residence in Spain.
    Leonid Simanovsky - citizenship of Israel and permanent residence of Cyprus.
    Rizvan Kurbanov - permanent residence of Turkey.
    Mikhail Schapov - Residence Permit for Spain.
    Alexander Kravets - permanent residence of Montenegro.
    Grigory Balykhin - permanent residence in Montenegro.
    Elena Bondarenko - residence permit in Italy.
    Igor Lebedev - US Green Card.
    Vyacheslav Nikonov - US citizenship.
    Alexander Remezkov - US Green Card.
    Nikolai Bortsov - British citizenship.
    Otari Arshba - Georgian citizenship.
    If we add to this everyone who has close relatives living abroad, and the money is in the accounts of Western banks, then the picture becomes completely sad. Here's who to begin with, "import substitution".
    1. +10
      2 March 2020 10: 01
      These are patriots!
    2. +9
      2 March 2020 10: 19
      Quote: astepanov
      interest of the authorities depending on the West.

      Lobby in the State Duma and the Federation Council. An example is the introduction of juvenile justice in the country.
    3. +3
      2 March 2020 12: 40
      Government officials, and even more so senior officials, should not live, have property and keep relatives abroad, if only because this is a loss of face for the country and the threat of blackmail with all the consequences, as well as having alternate aerodromes, they can begin to fill their pockets so that leak, the official whose home abroad do not care about the Russian Federation. This should not be. Those who voluntarily choose public service are obliged to refuse from abroad, or to refuse from civil service.
      The very opportunity to fill your pocket and leak, it provokes corruption, the colonel of the Interior Ministry billionaire Sergei Terentyev has escaped and lives happily on the Cote d'Azur.
      1. -1
        2 March 2020 15: 29
        State officials, and even more so senior officials, should not live, have property and keep relatives abroad, if only because this is a loss of face for the country and the threat of blackmail with all the consequences, as well as having alternate aerodromes, they can begin to fill their pockets

        The most disgusting thing is that it took some former KGB officer 20 years to make it appear that he realized this fact.
    4. -6
      2 March 2020 16: 19
      Quote: astepanov
      according to press reports:

      What kind of press? Enough to put these nonsense already. Give the proof to the studio.
      1. +3
        2 March 2020 17: 22
        First, of course, I cannot give direct evidence. But if you recall how many former officials now live behind the hill, then everything becomes obvious. Where are Kozyrev, Mitrofanov, Chuyan, Skrynnik, Deputy Minister of Agriculture Bazhanov? And also -
        Minister of Transport of the Moscow Region left with her son in the USA,
        MP Pikhtin also left for the United States with his son,
        the children of the head of Russian Railways live in England and Switzerland,
        Alexander Zmikhnovsky - the former head of Oboronenergosbyt left for Turkey,
        Sergei Pugachev, who is known as the “Kremlin banker” and was an active supporter of Putin, left for London.
        There are dozens of them, for most of them criminal cases were started, and then, as a rule, they got down on the brakes. They all have "earned" property, which they no longer hide: it is their villas that they allegedly "do not see" in our country, but in the USA, Great Britain or Germany it is necessary to disclose - and then this information goes to our press.
  8. +13
    2 March 2020 09: 59
    The power that can only trade resources to cut the dough for a quick one will not want to create and cannot
    1. -5
      2 March 2020 16: 19
      Quote: Million
      The power that can only trade resources to cut the dough for a quick one will not want to create and cannot

      You read export articles.
  9. +7
    2 March 2020 10: 00
    We would throw all our efforts into creating a new generation operating system, that would be the maximum task for the entire IT industry in Russia. And then you just hear how it was adapted, then bought, but this is under the sanctions. In general, who in what way. But still 99,9% of personal computers used by Russian citizens run on American OS, the hardware is entirely Chinese, except for 1C and Kaspersky, and the Russians have nothing to boast about ... Therefore, one can imagine how Americans feel, for example, when they read to themselves all sorts of "critical remarks" written on computers under Windows. It's like drinking Stolichnaya and cursing the Soviet government. It’s not difficult to guess what this will result in in the end, because just like in biathlon, some kind of relay race is obtained from one composition of the government to another, with the same result.
    Or they would stop fooling people with a word game.
    1. 0
      5 March 2020 21: 11
      Astra Linux is "done". And there are many all sorts of domestic handicrafts from our would-be programmers.
  10. +9
    2 March 2020 10: 09
    Now the situation has changed positively, at least in the agricultural sector

    Not at all noticeable. There is import in Russia, but no substitution.
    By the way, at VO in 2018 there was an article "There is nothing to feed the country, import substitution has failed", nothing has changed much in two years.
    https://topwar.ru/134061-kormit-stranu-nechem-importozameschenie-provaleno.html
    In Russia, a large number of researchers and scientists are 3 researchers per 131 million people (1th place in the world). A high proportion of graduates of engineering and scientific specialties is 29% of the total number of graduates (28,1th place in the world).

    From 2010 to 2018, the number of scientists in the country decreased, primarily in the natural and technical sciences, by 6%, from 365,9 thousand to 347,8 thousand.
    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/06/02/2020/5e3acc179a79473df48d46fb
    1. +23
      21 November 2020 16: 13
      Quote: Arlen
      the number of scientists in the country has decreased

      "Our" bourgeois-oligarchic system does not need scientists. They need consumers and partners (like in mmm)
  11. +2
    2 March 2020 10: 11
    We are constantly told that there is no money. What is there no money for? $ 10 billion was invested in Nord Stream-2. After all, someone thought, probably, even knew that he was not needed. However, the money is gone, gone, but no one is responsible.

    Recently it was reported that the Power of Siberia gas pipeline, which was built for China, has nothing to fill: there is little gas in the Chayandinskoye field, but 7 billion have already been invested in drilling wells. Who should be responsible? Who made the decision? Which "Miller"?
    Where is our Gosplan? Where are the industry development committees?
    Our building materials are useless for agriculture. We have 70−80% of worn-out equipment. How will we raise the village, how to carry out the reclamation program? We are not competitive. It turned out to be more important for the state to sell Deripaska's aluminum: 3 Soviet power plants were taken so that Deripaska would pay less than a ruble per kilowatt of electricity, smelted aluminum and sold abroad. And our Russian peasant pays 6-7 rubles. This is cunning. Etc
    For demography and childbearing is the owner of the elite golf courses and hotels, the childless Golikova.
    She is also responsible for "the coronavirus pandemic." Does she need it?
    1. +3
      2 March 2020 12: 47
      Pipes and pipes, think only of pipes.

      to Deripaska to pay less than a ruble per kilowatt of electricity, to smel aluminum and sell abroad. And our Russian peasant pays 6-7 rubles

      There are a lot of them, the Chinese are being warmed up by electricity, since it is cheap, the RF is supplied below cost, and for their prices should be like on the world market. Awkward policy however.
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    1. +4
      2 March 2020 18: 41
      The fact of the matter is that no one will "turn" the education system on the right path. There is no large-scale ORDER from the state. Engineers, technologists are not prestigious. About respect for workers, and in general for a working person (who creates material values, not services) - there is no need to talk about this at all - it is politically “illiterate” from the point of view of service managers. Contempt for the working man is the most striking feature of the current political system, nothing has essentially changed since the "Gaidar" times, for example, the fence was painted, the Russian flag was hung.
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  13. +3
    2 March 2020 10: 30
    The Russian authorities have already declared an independent transition to the digital sphere. There is potential for this. The only question is when and how it will be implemented.


    Good question, we have it everywhere ...
  14. +3
    2 March 2020 10: 42
    Without our own microelectronics, all the chatter about the degree of technological independence is just idle chatter. Soviet microelectronics was completely killed along with the collapse of the USSR. Not to mention the nano -... In the narrow "corridor" of meeting at least some needs of the military-industrial complex, something else is still glowing. We are bragging about "Elbrus". On the whole, in industry, Russia does not have its own elemental basis for the simplest ACS, without which even a CNC machine cannot be created. Nowadays, all proprietary IT-technologies do not exist outside of the binding to "hardware" (hardware), the design and manufacture of which is controlled and sharpened for their IT-products, starting with the notorious OS platforms. Steven Jobs' apples are a good example of this. There is no own production of electronic microcircuits - there will be no "independent" software on which devices will work, independent of any sanctions there. As the hero of the movie "Brest Fortress" said, - "This is the alphabet, Comrade Major!"
  15. 0
    2 March 2020 10: 44
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: DMB 75
    Dreams, dreams, how sweet your dreams are!

    "We were born to make a fairy tale come true."

    Quote: G. Granovsky
    The Russian authorities have already declared an independent transition to the digital sphere.

    Not only declared, but also a new government was formed for this task (it is the government that forms the country's budget).

    The new Prime Minister promised a complete digitalization.
    1. +2
      2 March 2020 18: 29
      I don't know what the new Prime Minister had in mind, but with what he has, he can only digitize reports and, perhaps, put the ordinary poor population under a tight fiscal cap. I really hope that the latter will stall. For some reason, the "number of the beast" comes to mind :))
  16. +7
    2 March 2020 11: 02
    I can say about "independence" in my industry. I work in a warehouse.
    Storage Equipment - Japan
    Data Collection Terminals - China, USA
    Pallet wrappers - import
    Freight vehicles - Germany
    Air Conditioning - Import
    1. +2
      2 March 2020 18: 31
      A similar story. Controllers for smart imported machines, and not so smart, but also imported. Classics of the genre: a machine (China) on Panasonic industrial controllers (Japan, Taiwan, and even Thailand !!! - but not Russia, alas).
  17. 0
    2 March 2020 11: 10
    funny
    Minister warned Siemens. If it does not transfer intellectual property for the production of large turbines ........, then the Russian side will no longer order turbines from it


    to evil grandmother frostbitten ears? laughing
    1. +21
      21 November 2020 16: 13
      Quote: KVK1
      funny

      It would be funny if it was not sad ...
  18. -3
    2 March 2020 11: 42
    In this regard, the minister warned Siemens. If it does not transfer intellectual property for the production of large turbines with a capacity of 70 and 160 MW to its subsidiary in Russia, the Russian side will no longer order turbines from it. Russia, according to Manturov, has already begun to develop its own units of this class.


    Ahahahahahahahahaahaaaaaa. Tin. These are those who laughed at the Indians.
    1. +2
      2 March 2020 18: 45
      In such cases, they usually say "Sounds threatening!" and choke with laughter.
  19. +10
    2 March 2020 11: 51
    Dear commentators, where does such excitement come from?
    Well, German journalists came to Manturov, and he told them what they expected him to hear as Germans, as conscientious people. What's so special? Chinese journalists will come, he will tell the Chinese what these Chinese would like to hear from him. Why, even after 20 years of sacking the country and us, do we continue to expect responsibility from those nobles for what was said, or at least that something was behind their words ?? request
  20. 0
    2 March 2020 12: 07
    Absolute independence is not possible. And so, of course, no one forbids marking.
    1. -1
      2 March 2020 13: 05
      Quote: ZaharoFFFF
      Absolute independence is not possible. And so, of course, no one forbids marking.

      -----------------------------------------

      And where did the thesis of "absolute independence" come from? Someone put it forward here and needs to be refuted? Or are you writing about something that no one discussed simply because "no one forbids it"? Why then don't you write whether there is life on Mars? Nobody forbade writing this either.
      1. 0
        3 March 2020 10: 06
        I write what I consider necessary, if you, of course, do not mind. Your opinion is very important to me, believe me, I really look forward to your answers to my comments. I wish you success. Do not be ill.
  21. +7
    2 March 2020 12: 08
    We have a capitalist state, and the capitalist’s goal is profit, by the growth in the number of billions, we occupy a worthy place, there is a club to protect their bills, why invest a little more, on the contrary, we need to abandon social programs, science, culture, we need to be sold to the Western capitalists , and now asia. Sarcasm if that.
    1. 0
      3 November 2022 16: 06
      Well, you wrote as if the rest of the countries are not capitalist. And Finland? And Germany? And South Korea and Japan? Yes, the same China? The question is not in capitalism - there are no non-capitalist countries now, and never have been - but in the institutions of society.
  22. 0
    2 March 2020 12: 45
    Chubais again showed its high efficiency
  23. +1
    2 March 2020 14: 28
    In the Soviet Union, 80% of the total number of R&D conducted in the world was carried out. In the remaining 20%, conducted by "British scientists", the USSR was not interested. Now, unfortunately, the proportion is reversed.
    1. 0
      2 March 2020 15: 51
      Quote: Alex66
      why invest somewhere more, on the contrary, we must abandon social programs, science, culture, we need to sell all that is necessary to the capitalists of the West, and now Asia.

      If we suddenly introduce a high customs barrier, for example, prohibit the import of telephones, then their own manufacturers will start making them right away because the need for telephones will not go anywhere, and investors will line up both their own and those of others, because there are too many billions in this industry ., but need an initial reason for the push.,
  24. +3
    2 March 2020 15: 49
    How real is the technological independence of Russia


    As much as real Chinese batteries on Chinese same mounting foam in the world’s unparalleled domestic power supplies for walkie-talkies.
    1. 0
      7 March 2020 03: 17
      Judging by the plate, your photo was taken at Russian Railways.
      This is not a power supply for walkie-talkies, this is a battery from a TA-57 field telephone,
      Native Soviet batteries have decayed for a long time, that’s why all kinds of commerce are stamped
      The phone itself is not killed by the way, we still successfully use the hardware


      The same radio station with a secret battery. laughing

      .
  25. +3
    2 March 2020 16: 40
    "How real is the technological independence of Russia" - the simple answer is not real, at least in the next 100 years and then under certain conditions.
  26. 0
    2 March 2020 22: 36
    RF is dependent on the enemy environment. We need advanced fundamental science and advanced mass education. Smartphones and cars are high-tech concentrates in the mainstream segment. With their help, state funds invested in the creation of weapons are "fought back", mass tests of microelectromechanical systems (MEMS and "fine-tuning" of technologies for their production to a given level) are carried out. Technologies for the production of consumer goods can and should be sold, not bought and introduced. a set of military (state) standards is needed that establish requirements for the components of military automation systems and devices.
  27. +1
    3 March 2020 09: 14
    I’m calm about import. You think, processing centers appeared from Taiwan. Something useful and you can take from them. Another thing is export in large volumes. Oil prices have recently fallen. And many started looking for some kind of intrigue. The price is regulated by volume sales. The more we sell, the more the price will fall. But the sale of gold is very correct. You can’t wait for many countries to put it on the market.
    1. 0
      5 March 2020 10: 07
      Of course, machining centers from Taiwan are already "life", because it is better to produce something by yourself than not to produce anything at all. But this is just a prologue, and the rest of the chapters of this book will be: spare parts and components (it is on them that manufacturers of high-tech machine tools earn), software restoration / updating, and a lot of annoying maintenance questions (a cascade of such micro "know-how") that will get out during operation. You will have to pay for all this, and if God forbid, Taiwan will support any new sanctions? - We'll have to smoke bamboo. I am constantly faced with the fact that the declared "Russian" equipment is in fact a re-configuration / completing of purely imported industrial units and systems: robot welding, paint hardening / aging production lines, conveyors of various types. Signboard - Russia. In fact: the technique of Germany, Italy, Holland, the same Taiwan. Only China, it seems, is not "covering up". At the moment, there is a persistent feeling that the share of Russian technological equipment in civilian production is 5 percent, and then God forbid 5.
      1. 0
        5 March 2020 10: 15
        And yet, yes, the main reason that "we can't" is the lack of electronic control modules of our own production. Even the most primitive ones, Without this, no YOUR machine / system / complex can be designed and created. Again, it is clear why this happened: for 30 years now the "effective managers" who have been in power wanted to spit on industrial production in the country, hence the opinion that imported equipment is quite enough, and its own machine-tool industry is "unprofitable" because there is insufficient demand. Vicious circle. And this Gordian knot can be cut only with the "sword of Alexander", or rather by changing the economic course of the whole country, which, alas, is unrealistic without changing the political system.
  28. 0
    5 March 2020 10: 57
    Putinism was not created to create but only to destroy .. as an ardent Putinist would say this is the machinations of the United States ... thanks to them for Putin
  29. 0
    5 March 2020 20: 58
    Medical masks and respirators let them learn to do. From simple to complex!
  30. 0
    6 March 2020 01: 19
    one can only dream of technological independence, the author is very optimistic ... and the point is not that there are no brains ... but the fact that the authorities are not interested in independence ... this is a matter of politics, but not of economics, of course it is a pity.
  31. -1
    6 March 2020 07: 24
    The main thing is not even to produce equipment on your own territory, the main thing is that this equipment is produced according to generally accepted standards. When the USSR opened up to international trade, it immediately became clear that the USSR had its own standards, and the world (American). The collapse of the economy immediately began with the transition to world standards, as all technological chains flew. And instead of investing and creating new components, we went along the easiest path, began to buy in the West. And immediately came under the influence and under future sanctions. Example. The trade war between China and the United States began with claims to Huawei. And the thing is that the Chinese have succeeded in developing 5G networks, and therefore imposed their standard on the world and as a result would have removed all the cream from the release of equipment. The USA is hindering this and urgently finalizing its standard. What the world will accept today is not clear. And if we accept the Chinese version, and the American wins in the world, then we will again have to deal with import substitution.

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