How Real is Russia's Technological Independence: Facts and Thoughts


The head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, Denis Manturov, in a recent interview with the Handelsblatt newspaper of German business circles, said that Russia made the maximum bet on its own digital technologies and solutions, including in the energy sector.


In the interest of national security


Denis Manturov stressed that Russia's desire for independence from foreign IT products is caused by national security considerations. In the future, the government will try to eliminate dependence on foreign suppliers.

As an example, the minister cited history from a slightly different high-tech industry - energy. “I can’t allow the second case,” Manturov said in an interview, “when the supply of turbines to the Crimean peninsula would be called into question."

In this regard, the minister warned Siemens. If it does not transfer intellectual property for the production of large turbines with a capacity of 70 and 160 MW to its subsidiary in Russia, the Russian side will no longer order turbines from it. Russia, according to Manturov, has already begun to develop its own units of this class.

In recent years, we have become accustomed to the term import substitution. In the media and public speeches of government representatives quite often there is information about successes in replacing foreign supplies of food, equipment, components and components for the production of important products for the country.

Behind these positive messages is an unpleasant factor in the new era. In the modern world, the international division of labor is no longer a condition for the effective functioning of the economy. The sanctions that Western governments have carried away are now creating serious problems for individual companies and even entire states.

Россия активно пользовалась преимуществами международного разделения труда, пока не стала раздражать Запад своей независимой политикой, укреплением собственной экономики и авторитета в мире. Ответом были разного рода рестрикции, которые быстро превратили блага международного экономического сотрудничества в большую проблему для страны.

The level of dependence on imports was prohibitive in Russia. According to the Ministry of Industry and Trade for 2015, it amounted to 44% in the automotive industry, 55% in the shipbuilding industry, 56% in the agricultural machinery industry, 60% in the oil and gas and heavy machinery industries, over 70% in the light and pharmaceutical industries, and in the medical, electronic and machine-tool industry - over 80%, in aircraft construction (including leasing of civil liners) - 92%!

Now the situation has changed positively, at least in the agricultural sector and the military-industrial complex. However, the problem has not lost its relevance. This was shown by the meeting of the interagency commission of the Security Council of Russia on economic and social issues, which took place shortly after the change of government.

In a laconic press release, they said: “The meeting was dedicated to the import substitution of critical technologies in civilian industries. Its participants proposed additional measures of state regulation that would neutralize factors threatening the country's economic security. ”

Russian potential and its implementation


Это сообщение вызвало отклик в экспертной среде. Заговорили о том, что широко заявленная программа импортозамещения не дала должного эффекта. Поставили под сомнение даже возможность России обрести технологическую независимость. Потом немного успокоились.

If we discard the extremes in judgments, it is not difficult to notice the positive changes that have occurred in the country in recent years. In Russia, there was its own payment system, electronic devices and their components with high characteristics, their own software, their own processor and much more from the sphere of high technologies.

In the new year there appeared payment cards of the Mir system with a chip for contactless payment of the production of the Russian company Micron. According to experts, these cards are in no way inferior to cards with chip modules of foreign manufacture. But they increase the technological security of the Russian financial system.

The examples presented here from the most high-tech sectors show the potential of Russia. Experts call it a self-sufficient country, implying not only natural resources.

В России большое число исследователей и научных работников – 3 131 исследователь на 1 миллион населения (29 место в мире). Высокая доля выпускников инженерных и научных специальностей – 28,1% от общего числа выпускников (13 место в мире). В этой позитивной картине нашлось место и для ложки дёгтя. По объёму и качеству инвестиций в новые технологии Россия занимает в мире скромное 95 место.

А это ключевой вопрос. Знания надо конвертировать в реальные достижения. Без должного финансирования сделать это не получится. Специально созданный шесть лет назад для модернизации промышленности, организации новых производств и обеспечения импортозамещения Фонд развития промышленности в прошлом году профинансировал 189 проектов на общую сумму займов 34,5 млрд рублей, что на 30% превышает показатели 2018 года по количеству проектов и на 24% превосходит аналогичный показатель по сумме выданных займов.

In total, in the period 2015-2019, the FRP funded 559 projects of industrial enterprises for a total amount of 119 billion rubles. Moreover, more than 180 borrowers have already launched production in 52 regions of Russia.

Whether it is a lot or a little for a country like Russia, the question is open.

В СМИ время от времени проходят сообщения о том, что вместо импортозамещения встречается банальная перемаркировка иностранных изделий. В прошлом году, сообщил сайт «Русский эксперт», российский телефон IP-телефон с квантовым шифрованием обнаружили на Amazon. Умельцы для удешевления совместили продукт, так сверхзащищённая связь оказалась с большим изъяном.

In another case, one of the Russian companies introduced Huawei routers and Dell servers, clumsily re-marked for their products. However, these are rare extremes. More often there are cases when companies that are under sanctions simply switch from the Western import market to the Asian one. Either make a new product from Chinese or Indian components.

Всё это – временные хитрости. Мир входит в эру цифровой экономики и искусственного интеллекта. Тут уже на китайскую разработку свою «пришлёпку» не поставишь. Придётся расстараться и потратиться самим. Власти России уже продекларировали самостоятельный переход в цифровую сферу. Потенциал для этого есть. Вопрос только в том, когда и как он будет реализован.
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  1. DMB 75 2 March 2020 09: 33 New
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    Dreams, dreams, how sweet your dreams are!
    1. Boris55 2 March 2020 09: 40 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      Dreams, dreams, how sweet your dreams are!

      "We were born to make a fairy tale come true."

      Quote: G. Granovsky
      The Russian authorities have already declared an independent transition to the digital sphere.

      Not only declared, but also a new government was formed for this task (it is the government that forms the country's budget).
      1. Stas157 2 March 2020 09: 50 New
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        Question:
        How real is the technological independence of Russia: facts and thoughts

        Answer:
        In terms of volume and quality of investments in new technologies, Russia occupies a modest 95th place in the world.

        These are datathe rest is reflections.
        1. KCA
          KCA 2 March 2020 10: 51 New
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          Investments in new technologies in the field of armaments and the country's defense are either not included in this rating at all, or their open part is included, which is closed, as always, remains closed, and it is the development of weapons that ultimately drives the development of all applied science and technology
        2. Victor N 2 March 2020 17: 53 New
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          People work, it is not an easy job worthy of respect. But now show business, stars and stars are held in high esteem.
      2. Svarog 2 March 2020 09: 53 New
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        Quote: Boris55

        Not only declared, but also a new government was formed for this task.

        Какие только задачи не формировало правительство, что новое, что старое результат будет один. Большая часть исполнителей те же, хотя в предыдущем правительстве они явно не справлялись с своими обязанностями.. общая политика экономическая гос-ва та же..
      3. New Year day 2 March 2020 10: 04 New
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        Quote: Boris55
        a new government was formed for this task

        I believe that the new government was formed with the aim of increasing exactions from the population. An example is the increase in fines for traffic violations, and new taxes are just around the corner. Medvedev's thesis about the development of the economy through taxes lives
        1. Boris55 2 March 2020 10: 19 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          What tasks did the government not form,

          But only for the first time a government was formed for the tasks, and not vice versa, when tasks were formed under the government.

          Quote: Silvestr
          I believe that the new government was formed with the aim of increasing exactions from the population.

          Судите по старому правительству Медведева? Как говорил К.Прутков: "Почаще оглядывайся на зады, to avoid future notable mistakes".
          1. New Year day 2 March 2020 10: 21 New
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            Quote: Boris55
            Judge by the old government of Medvedev?

            Judging by the new planned fines Mishustina laughing
            1. Boris55 2 March 2020 10: 24 New
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              Quote: Silvestr
              Judging by the new planned fines Mishustina

              So it seems that it was Mishustin who cooled the “hotheads” of insanity to raise fines above the cost of living. yes
              1. The popuas 2 March 2020 10: 38 New
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                Yes, there was infa that Mishustin said, the population does not earn much to introduce draconian fines "...
              2. New Year day 2 March 2020 10: 53 New
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                Quote: Boris55
                So it’s like it was Mishustin who cooled

                Games in the "good and evil policeman"
                1. Victor N 2 March 2020 17: 56 New
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                  And don’t break, otherwise you’ll put him in prison ...
              3. St Petrov 2 March 2020 11: 23 New
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                Борис, что ты с ними споришь, голосование в апреле за поправки опять вернёт этих фантазеров-революционеров на грешную землю из мира светлых эльфов wassat

                Sylvester and Svarog with the BBC with the other liberd will be sad and repent. The Vatnegs will fade again. In general, everything is as always. C - stability

                I decided not to argue with this audience anymore, I will only burn over their worlds with an expiration date

                1. New Year day 2 March 2020 12: 47 New
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                  Quote: c-Petrov
                  Sylvester and Svarog with the BBC with the other Liberd will be sad and repent

                  never! We will look at your ecstasy, and when your sobering has come, we will laugh laughing
                  1. St Petrov 2 March 2020 12: 53 New
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                    Let's look

                    Of course you will.

                    laugh

                    For 30 years you have already put off your laughter. You are a great Ukrainian with a hashtag #soon.

                    #soon there will be a breakthrough and the Sumerians will now burn over Moscow
                    #soon Dolar will be a hundred
                    #soon all travelers will go to The Hague
                    #soon the lord will not be a Jew, but a Cossack
                    #soon revolution
                    #soon pan you
                    #soon Russia will pay Yukos 50 billion
                    #soon Erdogan will drive Russia away from Syria
                    #soon Donbass will be Ukrainian

                    and such feces ... on the topic # soon - over 30 years accumulated.

                    1. New Year day 2 March 2020 12: 59 New
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                      Quote: c-Petrov
                      For 30 years you have already put off your laughter.

                      I won’t live so long
                      Quote: c-Petrov
                      You are a great Ukrainian with a hashtag # coming soon.

                      Kostroma we. Kostroma laughing
                      1. St Petrov 2 March 2020 13: 03 New
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                        when will payments be made according to Yukos? How soon?

                      2. New Year day 2 March 2020 15: 15 New
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                        Quote: c-Petrov
                        when will payments be made according to Yukos? How soon

                        like Naftogaz of Ukraine laughing
                      3. St Petrov 2 March 2020 16: 12 New
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                        like Naftogaz of Ukraine


                        Do you think it will be overpowering with Yukos? Soon, yes?)

                      4. New Year day 2 March 2020 17: 43 New
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                        Do you think it will be overpowering with Yukos?

                        I do not know, there are a lot of hiccups in this matter. After all, they are planning arrests behind the cordon. The decision of the Dutch court is final
              4. New Year day 2 March 2020 13: 04 New
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                you look very harmonious hi
                1. St Petrov 2 March 2020 13: 57 New
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                  I'll write about harmony on April 22 drinks
                2. Honest Citizen 2 March 2020 14: 49 New
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                  Those. are you, comrade Petrov, a monarchist?
                  April 22 will be the only vote-to leave Putin forever in power. Until the end of his days. Return to the Politburo of the CPSU? :)
                  On the topic of the article have something to say?
                3. St Petrov 2 March 2020 16: 14 New
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                  On the topic of the article have something to say?

                  you need to compare with something. technological independence of which countries is taken as a model? Which countries are independent? I would look at the list

                4. Honest Citizen 2 March 2020 16: 18 New
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                  Well, for example ...
                  Compare Japan with China and Russia. In the field of microelectronics, machine tools and automotive.
                  And add a cherry to the example of the USSR.
                5. St Petrov 2 March 2020 16: 50 New
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                  Compare Japan with China and Russia.


                  All three countries make a short-haul narrow-body passenger aircraft.
                6. Honest Citizen 2 March 2020 16: 52 New
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                  Is that a superjet? Or a replacement for the famous Corncracker?
                  Well, Superjet is a joint project. By the way, there have been too many problems with him lately. And “Kukuruznik” - so it is necessary to send the UK there - everything is so corrupt there that nobody cares about the plane.
                7. St Petrov 2 March 2020 17: 02 New
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                  Is that a superjet?


                  Yes. Specific project. Analogs are produced in the remaining 2 countries from your list (Japan and China). Started plus minus at the same time.

                  By the way, there have been too many problems with him lately.


                  Well, let's compare a specific project. I’ll tell you about 3 models about the problems (I understand that you only know about the problems of the superjet, but here’s a reason to compare, so to speak, find information), about budgets and about the technical independence of Japan and China, against the background of a Russian bast

                8. Honest Citizen 2 March 2020 17: 29 New
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                  I look so that you do not understand the essence of the original question.
                  We will not continue the topic.
                  And about the technological backwardness of Russia - the name of the program says better than me: "IMPORT SUBSTITUTION"
                9. St Petrov 2 March 2020 17: 31 New
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                  And about the technological backwardness of Russia - the name of the program says better than me: "IMPORT SUBSTITUTION"


                  wassat n - patriotism. Vote in the name of you, Sergei, too.

                10. Honest Citizen 2 March 2020 17: 32 New
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                  wassat n - patriotism

                  you just suffer from this. And as a realist, I don’t like everything that happens in the country.
                11. St Petrov 2 March 2020 17: 33 New
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                  And to me, as a realist, everything happening I don’t like the country.

                  well, that's okay, I think you everything happening not like in the country.

                  And I like a lot. Right in awe. I consider one of the best countries for living. Wonderful country.

                  Nihon Keizai (Japan): Russian nuclear power is taking over the world. Russia supplies America with nuclear fuel. Japan stays behind


                  I opened a Japanese little article here, and to them Patriot, the realist, had not yet talked about backward and lapotnaya. Well, I don’t know - this is probably just the headline - and in the article Japan is likely to sank the Russian girl - I won’t read it. So as not to be upset.


                12. Honest Citizen 2 March 2020 18: 03 New
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                  Are you sitting at a computer of Russian assembly and on Russian software? Do you have a Russian brand TV at home? Refrigerator? Do you have a Russian mobile phone? Is the furniture that you have in your kitchen made with Russian equipment?
                  You do not confuse warm with soft. We lag behind and are far behind in the production of means of production (such a pun). We have imported equipment, imported assembly lines. Even the advertisement that they give you on the street is printed on imported equipment.
                  And I don’t need to talk about space and nuclear energy here. Just look at the output factors of metallurgists, as an example. Look in Moscow how many Russian cars are on the street.
                  What kind of development are you talking about here?
                13. St Petrov 2 March 2020 18: 31 New
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                  What kind of development are you talking about here?


                  Our industry has been growing in a row for many many months. Unbelievable but true.

                  We lag and lag


                  therefore, China and Japan can not make a civilian aircraft - having spent several times more on this than Russia?

                  Are you sitting at a computer of Russian assembly and on Russian software? Do you have a Russian brand TV at home? Refrigerator? Do you have a Russian mobile phone? Is the furniture that you have in your kitchen made with Russian equipment?


                  No, but Russia can do what China and Japan cannot do.
                  So they are also technologically dependent?

                  And where are the technologically independent countries then?

                14. Honest Citizen 2 March 2020 18: 40 New
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                  Over 40 systems from 10 countries of the world are purchased for a superjet!
                  The economic growth of the Russian Federation over 20 years amounted to 22,3%. This is approximately a percentage with a tail per year - which is within the limits of static error. The growth of the Chinese economy by 30 times, even Belarus, which buys energy from us, has grown the economy by 6 times. For the same 20 years. Yes, an increase of 22,3% is impressive! Awesome success.
                  Really, there is something to be proud of!
                  Japan and China are doing many times more than what Russia can produce.
                  I will repeat it again, I have already said. In Detsky Mir stores, almost all plastic toys are in China. Zagugli himself, how many technologies and industries it is necessary to produce such a quantity of toys for export.
                  And then tell me again about "ahead of the rest."
                15. St Petrov 2 March 2020 18: 51 New
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                  Over 40 systems from 10 countries of the world are purchased for a superjet!


                  So the Chinese aircraft are made exclusively from Chinese components, and the Japanese from Japanese? laughing here it is - technological independence

                  And then tell me again about "ahead of the rest."


                  why do you ascribe your fantasies to me?

                  Zagugli himself, how many technologies and industries it is necessary to produce such a quantity of toys for export.


                  wassat probably the aircraft industry is the least labor-intensive industry and there are fewer technologies

                16. Honest Citizen 2 March 2020 18: 59 New
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                  My friend, you’re a maniac. You grabbed onto the plane.
                  Well, you will have a plane. Soviet TU, Yak and IL - all produced in the USSR. And in the USSR-controlled countries of the Warsaw Treaty. This is what I consider to be technological independence.
                  Everything else is demagogy.
                  And further. See the export. What the Russian Federation sells for export. Of course, now you will cling to a weapon. But besides weapons - the main thing that we sell is capaciously characterized by one word: RAW MATERIAL.
                  A technologically developed country is trying to sell finished products. Rather, what would you have less to cling to: the percentage of final production should prevail over the raw material component. Of course, China also sells raw materials, many technologically advanced countries sell it. But they also have a percentage of final products (consumer goods both individually and for enterprises) is incommensurably higher. And here the Russian Federation can’t boast of anything.
                  As evidence of the commodity economy: SP-1, SP-2, Power of Siberia, South Stream.
                  PySy. Something you do not seek to discuss the growth of economies.
                17. St Petrov 2 March 2020 19: 01 New
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                  You grabbed onto the plane.

                  laughing Well, compared? indicators for 3 models. Japanese, Russian and Chinese counterparts

                  As evidence of the commodity economy: SP-1, SP-2, Power of Siberia, South Stream.

                  laughing Now we’ll only deal with the plane
                18. Honest Citizen 2 March 2020 19: 04 New
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                  You can laugh as much as you like. The fact that we are a raw material, technologically backward economy is undeniable.
                  By the way, remind me how many airlines refused to buy "high-tech" Superjets?
                19. St Petrov 2 March 2020 19: 05 New
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                  why don't you like superjet so much? He is more successful than the analogues of these 2 wonderland, which are technologically independent and, in general, do not slurp soup.

                  Why are you spitting on a successful project being implemented by your country?)

                  .
                20. Honest Citizen 2 March 2020 19: 07 New
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                  Why do not like? I flew on it, I liked it.
                  I just want to explain to you - this is a JOINT project. And you persistently consider him Russian. Yes, they collect from us, but see the question above.
                21. St Petrov 2 March 2020 19: 08 New
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                  Well, since you don’t understand what I’m talking about, I’ll ask in the forehead.
                  What model of a civilian aircraft was assembled from components of one country?

                  PS I’m writing this to the fact that it’s time to recognize that Russia, against the background of these two countries, is at least a leader in aircraft manufacturing

                22. Honest Citizen 2 March 2020 19: 14 New
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                  What model of a civilian aircraft was assembled from components of one country?


                  Lockheed Constellation, Douglas DC-6, Douglas DC-7 - I hope that's enough?
                  I will answer in advance my next question: now in the world airplanes with components of one country can be made in the USA, France, Sweden, China. The question is that in the EU, production sharing, in the US, the plane will be very expensive, and China will have problems with reliability.
                  Russia could produce airplanes, but now many production and systems are almost completely “killed”; there is simply no one to produce.
                23. St Petrov 2 March 2020 19: 18 New
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                  Lockheed Constellation, Douglas DC-6, Douglas DC-7 - I hope that's enough?

                  Well, that’s not even funny.

                  The question is that in the EU, production sharing, in the US, the plane will be very expensive, and China will have problems with reliability.


                  how many conditions are there for producing a successful aircraft, right? How did you straighten up right now, whitewashing and explaining why you can’t do everything in one country. But he said that the CCJ is JOINT !! 1 !! 1 And he didn’t even understand why.

                  I do not understand your position) and it is here among many. But I understand why the conditional great Ukrainian will write like that. In his case, this will be normal.

                  Russia could produce airplanes, but now many production and systems are almost completely “killed”; there is simply no one to produce.


                  Upset you, Russia produces planes. Both civilian and military.
                  And the engines are on the way. This is another backward technology from lapotnyh - PD

                24. Honest Citizen 2 March 2020 19: 24 New
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                  I do not understand your position)

                  That is, you are proud of the atomic energy, that we can still fly into space, that we have released a certain mega-airplane, and you don’t understand that 80% of what surrounds you is import? I understand when imports are 20%, but not 80 at all.
                  Well, that’s not even funny.

                  Why isn’t it funny? Aircraft fully produced by one country.
                  How did you straighten up right now, whitewashing and explaining why you can’t do everything in one country.

                  Am I tensed? Do not fantasize. I’m explaining something else to you, but you, in your words: "do not understand."
  2. Malyuta 2 March 2020 19: 16 New
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    More than 40 systems from 10 countries of the world are being purchased for a superjet! The growth of the Russian economy over 20 years amounted to 22,3%. This is approximately a percentage with a tail per year - which is within the limits of static error. The growth of the Chinese economy by 30 times, even Belarus, which buys energy from us, has grown the economy by 6 times. For the same 20 years. Yes, an increase of 22,3% is impressive! Awesome success.

    Коллега, вы делаете им больно, может возникнуть когнитивный диссонанс между вечерним М. и реальностью. А если они узнают, что по коэффициенту благополучия мы не входим даже в первую сотню стран, то одних может кандрашка хватить, а другие будут орать, что это ложь. А представьте вдруг сказочную ситуацию, что путин, назначит внеочередную прессконференцию и не покажет мультфильмы про взмахи, а скажет правду, даже если не всю.....мы многих "правдорубов" и "патриотов" не досчитаемся....
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    And imagine suddenly a fabulous situation that Putin will schedule an extraordinary press conference and will not show cartoons about the wave, but will tell the truth, even if not all ..... we will not count many "truth-cutters" and "patriots"

    Pathos I will add: And Russia will not lose ANYTHING from this!
  4. Malyuta 2 March 2020 19: 26 New
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    April 22 will be the only vote-to leave Putin forever in power. Until the end of his days. Return to the Politburo of the CPSU? :)

    The only difference was that then people passed through a sieve of primary organizations and the Politburo was already reached by experienced managers, and now there will be a "lake" inherited, the monarchy however.
  5. Honest Citizen 2 March 2020 19: 29 New
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    This is there, a little higher, someone Petrov does not understand and is trying to prove to me how technologically advanced Russia is. And he corrects his previous answer after reading mine :)
    New in the manuals of the Darkest.
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    This is there, a little higher, someone Petrov does not understand and is trying to prove to me how technologically advanced Russia is. And he corrects his previous answer after reading mine :) New in the Darkest manuals.

    Последним тридцатилетием РФ отброшена в 13-ый год прошлого века, тогда как раз РИ продавала много зерна , а народ голодал, собирал валежник и жёг лучины и до лампочки Ильича ему было ещё 11 лет. Отвёрточно собирали Руссобалт, а небо бороздили Фоккеры и Фарманы . В деревнях было два развлечения церковь и ккабак, но гады большевики насильно построили клубы и больнички.
    And Petrov, in my humble opinion, is just a Troll, he doesn’t have time to swing, it is needed for jerks, breakthroughs, breaks, in return, backswings, swoops and animated heroes of the leader of all Siberian Cranes, the savior of all tiger amphorae, the goleodor of all clubs and red ice tracks .. For all it can be seen forever, like water, fire and the August sky.
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    I'll write about harmony on April 22

    know, know how to write and how you think laughing
  • vadsonen 2 March 2020 15: 56 New
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    with the hashtag # coming soon.

    #soon Russians will receive an average of $ 2700 per month
    #soon Russians will have at least 100 sqm per family of 3 people
    #soon the middle class will be half the population
    #soon 25 million high-tech jobs will be created
    #soon Caucasus will become a tourist mecca
    #soon every citizen will receive a share from the sale of natural resources
    #soon Russia will be the leader of the global economy and politics
    1. St Petrov 2 March 2020 16: 03 New
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      I’ll make the right choice, don’t worry, Vadim. I’ll remember everyone here repeat

      April 22, I’m waiting for all of you on the VO forum, after the vote
      The inevitability of voting and its results inspire me in advance

      I will prepare a post and dedicate it to your struggle. I’ll prepare the saddened tweets of the BBC, Deutchewell and Khodorkovsky’s tears. The post will be beautiful.

      Your siblings will certainly be as usual, but such is life and your fate. Let's look at the quality of your struggle again
    2. vadsonen 2 March 2020 16: 39 New
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      The inevitability of voting and its results inspire me in advance

      A well-known outcome inspires you, but scares normal people.

      But most importantly, in the morning to perform "God Save the Scar", so that the dark feudal serf future soon came.

      With people like you, not for long, and on the streets they will be afraid of "whose will you be."
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      With people like you, not for long, and on the streets they will be afraid of "whose will you be."

      and that will be? wassat
      And why wait? Have you personally missed 20 years?
      Personally, you, so as not to be ephemeral about "they will ask" - you personally - when will you start asking?

      Feel free to answer)
  • Malyuta 2 March 2020 19: 33 New
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    Quote: Boris55
    But only for the first time a government was formed for the tasks, and not vice versa, when tasks were formed under the government.

    Quote: Boris55
    But only for the first time a government was formed for the tasks, and not vice versa, when tasks were formed under the government.

    This is yes, given that the government has changed chairs with its curators. A simple question for you, what will happen if you mix a bucket of shit with a bucket of jam?
  • carstorm 11 2 March 2020 10: 53 New
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    The increase in fines is generally from a different opera. Well, just for an example. exceeding and a fine of 500 rubles scared me a little. But 5000 will make you think. Most of the drivers, receiving not small fines for speeding, etc., eventually began to comply with traffic rules. Comprehensive measures made it possible for the driver to understand the inevitability of punishment, which served to improve the behavior of drivers on the road. And this is a fact.
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      5000 will force

      Why 5000, not 50000?
      Как размер штрафа соотносится со средней зарплатой и пенсией по стране?
      1. carstorm 11 2 March 2020 11: 23 New
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        what does the salary and pensions have to do with it? these are punitive measures. they are generally needed for other purposes. the higher the fines, the less people want to behave as underdeveloped on the roads. and I personally hold my hands for such an approach. I come across such people every day and I can conclude for myself that there are fewer of them.
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          what does the salary and pensions have to do with it?

          Do you consider drivers to be a Maybach driver or a gelding?
          According to Autostat, at the beginning of 2019, there were 25,4 million cars in Russia that were over 10 years old. This makes up 58% of the country's total passenger car fleet.
          What income do drivers of these cars live on?
          Quote: carstorm 11
          these are punitive measures. they are generally needed for other purposes. the higher the fines the less people want

          "The most important thing is not cruelty, but inevitability of punishment" - Putin! laughing
          1. Svarog 2 March 2020 13: 04 New
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            "The most important thing is not cruelty, but inevitability of punishment" - Putin!

            There is no time for buildup! (Putin) laughing Already twenty years ..
          2. carstorm 11 2 March 2020 20: 42 New
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            Once again, this is a punitive measure. What does the brand of car have to do with it? everyone should ride by the rules. violation of the speed limit is a mortal risk for all participants in the movement. age of cars, again at what? the older she is, the stronger you can bullish on the roads? you argue as if getting fines is fine. violation of traffic rules is in the order of things. for example, I’ve never buckled my whole life. what for? Fine penny. Well, slow down. Well, I’ll cry ... I think I’m alone with similar thoughts on the roads? and these measures just such thoughts from silly heads like mine very well knock out.
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          the higher the fines, the less people want to behave as underdeveloped on the roads. and I personally hold my hands for such an approach.

          carstorm 11, there are such clauses of the Rules that 99% of drivers violate. And if someone does not violate, then he thereby provokes emergency situations for other drivers.
          If the Government had the goal of ending traffic violations on the roads, then this would have long been done.
          For example. We introduce “barrage” fines. Say any violation of 30 rubles. Doesn't scare? Do you have a Maybach? OK. Plus the fine is an administrative arrest of 000 days. Is that okay?
          But nobody goes for it. Because:
          According to last year, police in Russia issued 142 million orders for fines for traffic violations, TASS reports citing traffic police.
          Total fines issued in the amount of 106,5 billion rubles

          Now imagine that all at once they began to travel all the letters of the traffic rules.
          В бюджете дыра в 100 000 000 000. Все навешанные камеры, все мобильные фотофиксации, эвакуаторы, стоянки, люди в этом задействованные – все под нож.
          Do you think this will not affect you at the household level?
          Oh well. I’ll see how many hours you’ll just stand in the morning trying to turn out of your yard onto the road with heavy traffic, if, according to the traffic rules, no one will let you through, you’ll be late for work for a couple of hours - you need to get up earlier. And your ordered pizza will be brought cold and delayed by an hour.

          Now everyone is more or less happy with everything. Want to quickly - pay 500 rubles and go. And with drunkenness and other serious violations, and so everything is tough.
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            . And with drunkenness ...

            driving- take away the rights forever! Arrest in a car!
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              In certain cases it is possible.
              And only by court order.
              Otherwise, how to separate a stoned addict who does not understand anything at all and got behind the wheel from a carrier who consumed a glass of wine a couple of hours ago. Both are guilty of course, but the punishment must be different.
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            listen. when with such children in a car such a hurry will slam into you then we will argue. in the meantime, I still can’t convince you. it is necessary to feel it. although I sincerely do not wish you this.
  • Sergey Averchenkov 2 March 2020 12: 21 New
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    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Boris55
    a new government was formed for this task

    I believe that the new government was formed with the aim of increasing exactions from the population. An example is the increase in fines for traffic violations, and new taxes are just around the corner. Medvedev's thesis about the development of the economy through taxes lives

    You're right ... The main thing is to connect Russia's technological independence in time with fines and requisitions, and then quickly throw it on the fan. Manipulator ... demagogue ...
  • Svarog 2 March 2020 13: 02 New
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    Quote: Silvestr

    I believe that the new government was formed with the aim of increasing exactions from the population. An example is the increase in fines for traffic violations, and new taxes are just around the corner.

    Tax increase in 2020:
    From January 1, 2020 in Russia there will be a sharp increase in taxes for companies and individual entrepreneurs. Especially taxes will increase for small businesses. The magazine "Simplified" has prepared a complete list of taxes that will grow in 2020.

    -Growth of payroll taxes
    -VAT rate
    - Excise taxes on gasoline, vodka and cigarettes
    - Growth UTII since 2020
    -Increase taxes on simplists
    -Increase taxes for individual entrepreneurs
    -The self-employed tax will be distributed throughout Russia
    -Introduction of tax on the cadastral value of property
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/26-2.ru/povyshenie-nalogov-v-rossii-s-2020-goda-polnyi-perechen-5d9b438a1febd400b191ebe0
    And all this in the conditions of falling incomes of citizens and the general economic recession ..
    The only country in the world that, in a crisis, tightens the nuts, and does not stimulate the economy ..
    И конечно, все эти меры повлияют на рост цен..
  • Arlen 2 March 2020 10: 25 New
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    "We were born to make a fairy tale come true."

    Since the time of the tagged, we are all rebuilding something, reforming it, and the fairy tale is not becoming true.
    Quote: Boris55
    and a new government has been formed for this task

    The new government and the continuation of the old government policy.
    Nothing will change. It is important not who plays the roles on the stage, but who the author is.
    1. Boris55 2 March 2020 10: 28 New
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      Quote: Arlen
      The new government, the continuation of the old government policy.

      And it cannot be otherwise, because the country's budget has been formed by the previous government and the country still lives in the old way.
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        the country still lives in the old way.

        20 years old? Yes. Moses drove longer!

        After all, they can build castles on sand and water!
  • Askold Matveev 2 March 2020 10: 37 New
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    new government formed

    a new government that abandoned:
    1. The release of the poor from personal income tax and abandoned the progressive scale of taxation.
    2. pension reform will not be canceled.
    a change of government in today's conditions is akin to the expression "the amount does not change from a rearrangement of places of terms."
    1. New Year day 2 March 2020 13: 31 New
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      Quote: Askold Matveev
      a new government that abandoned:
      1. The release of the poor from personal income tax and abandoned the progressive scale of taxation.
      2. pension reform will not be canceled.
      a change of government in today's conditions is akin to the expression "the amount does not change from a rearrangement of places of terms."

      Boris lives with hopes and illusions along with Petrov
      1. Svarog 2 March 2020 13: 40 New
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        Quote: Silvestr
        Boris lives with hopes and illusions along with Petrov

        No Petrov lives on inspiration laughing
        1. CSKA 5 March 2020 14: 20 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          No Petrov lives on inspiration

          I don’t know how Petrov lives, but certainly not how you and Sylvester lie and idle chatter.
    2. CSKA 2 March 2020 14: 37 New
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      Quote: Askold Matveev
      1. The release of the poor from personal income tax and abandoned the progressive scale of taxation.

      And for what reason should they not pay personal income tax? That is, I should, but they should not be any special? On a progressive scale:
      As historical experience in the 20th century showed, a significant increase in the maximum income rate does not lead to a noticeable slowdown in the economy or to an increase in tax revenues to the state. A highly progressive taxation scale works more as a limit on the income of the rich.
      Quote: Askold Matveev
      2. pension reform will not be canceled.

      And why should it be canceled? No, of course you can cancel it, only consequences like you have already explained 150 times, but it cannot reach you.
  • YOUR 2 March 2020 11: 10 New
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    I don’t know what to call it, probably a reminder - 20 years, during this time a couple of hundred billionaires, including underground ones, have appeared. And the government is formed only now.
  • Svarog 2 March 2020 09: 47 New
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    The only question is when and how it will be implemented.

    There is no doubt that Russia has a huge potential, we are completely self-sufficient. But the author finished his article with a very correct question .. Which is the whole point. We have many good undertakings that do not lead to anything .. And this is the whole problem. As long as officials do not bear serious responsibility for the projects entrusted to them, until the state determines clear priorities, as long as corruption and nepotism are beyond the limits, nothing can be expected except draining funds .. and if they have not given birth in 20 years, and now the same people give birth to nothing will not be able to.
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      The leader of the Batkivshchyna party, Yulia Tymoshenko, on the air of the Nash television channel, criticized the Ukrainian authorities because of the collapse of industry in the country. The politician drew attention to a more than twenty percent drop in production after the change of power.
      This is a conscious planned policy of the destruction of our country. Who is behind this policy? National Bank of Ukraine, which is under external control, there is no Ukrainian strategy, there is no Ukrainian system of interests, there is a conscious policy of the destruction of Ukraine.
      — Юлия Тимошенко, украинский политик. / Известия 21:05 28/02/20

      If the State Bank of Russia appears in the new Constitution of Russia, it will be new Constitution.
      Economics is the foundation, politics is the superstructure.
      1. Honest Citizen 2 March 2020 14: 33 New
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        dSK
        Question. And why did they come to the question of the Constitution only 20 years later? Who prevented Putin, having a controlled Duma from making changes in 2008? or in 2012?
        Those. a change in the term of the deputy and presidency - and this is a change in the Constitution - was carried out without even asking us, and then suddenly, SUDDENLY, a vote is required. Actually, a referendum is needed. These are different things.
        Now on. The fact that import substitution has completely failed is clear to everyone. Household incomes are falling, enterprises are on the verge of bankruptcy. If import substitution were possible, there would be economic growth, and it would have stagnation. Only resource-mining and resource-selling and live.
  • Mitroha 2 March 2020 10: 14 New
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    Dreams, dreams, how sweet your dreams are!

    That is yes. But here we must remember that any discovery and achievement previously was the dream of a researcher, engineer, scientist. And if you do not dream about something, do not strive for it, then it will not come true.
  • nickname7 2 March 2020 12: 14 New
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    Now the situation has changed positively, at least in the agricultural sector and the military-industrial complex. However, the problem has not lost its relevance

    The article again contains mutually exclusive phrases, if the problem remains the same, does not lose relevance, then how could the situation change? We must stop fooling ourselves with verbal balancing act.
    If the problem is the same, then the import substitution program has been disrupted.
    Again, the main economists and organizations of the Russian Federation do not even criticize, but argue that import substitution is unnecessary and harmful, see articles by Kudrin, Gref, or the Komersant newspaper. How can economic policy be built if the financial and economic bloc is against?
  • svp67 2 March 2020 09: 37 New
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    There is potential for this. The only question is when and how it will be implemented.
    So far this is in many respects WORDS. The way in which the subordinate ministry of Mr. Manturov acts indicates that he does not have a clear position.
    Betting on your IT technology is excellent, but when will there be a bet on your hardware?
    The abandonment of Siemens turbines ... it’s high time, but why is financing of our developments carried out then “frozen”? And so in everything. This is not politics, but "shy." If you choose a course, then you must adhere to it, and not change it, every half hour
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      but why is financing of our developments carried out then "frozen"?

      Because with normal financing, any project will develop. This is not our way. The ancestors of industrialization and war, with a massive shortage of everything, somehow worked, twisted, and here we are keeping engineers in good shape laughing
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        here we are keeping engineers in good shape

        This neglect of engineers and other specialties reflects the essence. And what is the end result? Only words?
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      This is not politics, but "shy."

      А шараханье говорит о том, что собственно четкого курса и нет. Они до сих пор не могут расставить приоритеты. Обозначить цели, сроки исполнения, контроль на всех этапах, ответственных лиц и т.д. У меня давно сложилось впечатление, что там все только штаны протирают ибо за 20 лет хоть что то родить то можно уже..
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        I have long had the impression that everything is just wiped on the pants, because in 20 years you can already give birth to something at least ..

        And the most disgusting thing is that after 20 years they “suddenly” start to “notice” something, then “low salaries”, or “that in a third of medical facilities there isn’t something like hot water supply but water supply in general” and this is against the background of “ fairy tales "how far" medical care has advanced "and how much new equipment has been supplied ... there is no one to work on it, but deputies and other VIPs both traveled and travel abroad and are treated ... This is no longer ridiculous.
        Like what we are doing, a truly breakthrough MS-21, but somehow we did not bother to immediately establish the production of composites of their own raw materials on our territory. And so on many points ...
        We do not have our own test bench for testing new high-voltage equipment, and specialists are forced to negotiate and travel to the same South Korea ... here is a "superpower" ... cars, ships, computers, smartphones, electrical appliances, stands ...
  • Romario_Argo 2 March 2020 09: 38 New
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    According to the Ministry of Industry and Trade for 2015

    The author, but according to the latest data, there were no data for 2019 (???)
    It’s just that on the site “made by us” and on the resource “Russia Forward” - the data is NOT so upanic (!!!) negative
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      It’s just that on the site “made by us” and on the resource “Russia Forward” - the data is NOT so upanic (!!!)

      It’s just that these resources are extremely vile campaigns that are extremely far from real life. On which they pathetically scream about the opening of a hardware workshop, already for 10-20 jobs, and are silent in a rag, about the destruction of, say, the Vladimir motor-tractor plant.
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        extremely far from real life

        this is your opinion
        somehow I don’t feel any negativity in real life
        Yes, many were closed - leeches, stuck, freeloaders
        for the Vladimirsky plant, these are questions as an option for managers and not for the state - this is an emergency
        Emergencies are three pillars: possession, use, disposal
        I don’t see the guilt of the state (!)
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      2. CSKA 2 March 2020 14: 46 New
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        It’s just that these resources are extremely vile campaigns that are extremely far from real life.

        What agitation? Go to the site Made with us and post here on VO at least one example from this site where lies. And count how many plants are built each month and how many jobs. And for your information, the level of automation in modern factories makes it possible not to hire tens of thousands of workers.
        In the fall of 2017, the assets of the Tractor Plants concern were transferred to the Rostec state corporation, whose representatives recorded the extremely difficult situation of the Vladimir Motor and Tractor Plant: “Due to debts, production has been stopped, there has been inefficient use of space for a long time, the company has about 400 employees, while the output is extremely low. ” On November 30, 2017, VMTZ workers were employed by transferring to the Cheboksary “Promtractor” and put into a simple one. On July 20, 2018, the entire plant staff of 300 employees was reduced. Production facilities and equipment are very dilapidated. Some of the buildings were empty and destroyed.
        Not the state should build factories, but create conditions for their construction. And if the owner of the plant could not create competitive products, then the government is not to blame. Or do you think the state should buy a loss-making plant, and then invest billions there, so as not to close it? This is not a military industrial complex.
    2. AA17 2 March 2020 11: 06 New
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      Dear, Roman.
      Шёл 27-й год со дня сотворения Новой России. Новая Россия быстро и уверено подымалась с колен после 70 -и летней тирании ИГА Социализма. Светлое будущее Цифровой Экономики играло всеми яркими красками на фоне блеклой российской промышленности: "...Цели проекта.Сделать интернет доступным для всех и каждого. Покрыть связью 5G крупнейшие города. Защитить информацию граждан, бизнеса и государства. Повысить эффективность основных отраслей экономики за счет внедрения новых технологий. Подготовить кадры будущего с учетом сквозной цифровизации. Простимулировать инвестиции в новые сферы, увеличив долю затрат на развитие цифровой экономики в ВВП в три раза..."
      And at this time (THE FRESHEST DATA from the Accounts Chamber): "... In 41,1% of all Russian medical institutions, the number of which exceeds 116 thousand, as of January 1, 2019 there was no central heating ..."
      P.S. I propose amending the Constitution: The hospital should have hot water and heating.
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        and who set up such hospitals in which there is no central heating?)))
  • rocket757 2 March 2020 09: 40 New
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    The head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, Denis Manturov, in a recent interview with the Handelsblatt newspaper of German business circles, said that Russia made the maximum bet on its own digital technologies and solutions, including in the energy sector.

    It’s possible to make a bet, but the state’s technological development is NOT a GAME !!!
    Hoping for luck ??? this is from the category of complete nonsense, WORK is necessary, efforts and resources should be invested in the process, and not with your hands to wave and cheeks to inflate.
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      It’s possible to make a bet, but the state’s technological development is NOT a GAME !!!

      France relied on its international corporations.
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        I suppose they worked seriously, invested serious resources on this topic, and therefore there are obvious successes.
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          they worked seriously, invested serious resources

          That's right, if you mean politics by bid.
          And in Russia, the "rate" is from the category of empty promises and imitation of activities.
          Реальная политика РФ вывоз ресурсов и денег и выпрашивание инвестиций (сдача страны в наём барину)
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            What does politics have to do with it, or rather, it’s not the main thing. The situation in our case is such that we can rely on internal resources, with minimal impact from somewhere from the outside.
            To say that nothing is done directly is impossible, but the volume of investments will not help with a reasonable approach on the part of the authorities. This is obvious and this doesn’t work out well.
  • Vladimir_2U 2 March 2020 09: 41 New
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    Already on the Chinese development you can’t put your “hard-core”
    Now Photonov, but Shasmanov more than Kamaz with the Urals on the roads, have survived.
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      Now Photonov, but Shasmanov more than Kamazov with the Urals on the roads, have survived

      Indeed, the Shakmans are bought in bulk in the CIS, it seems Kamaz is losing these markets, but based on your statements, apparently the Russian Federation is also moving to the Shakmans.



      Who monitored the construction of the Crimean bridge will not let lie that the vast majority of construction equipment, foreign production, even tractors and rollers.
      On the other hand, the Zulus do not have their own production, but they have everything, the main thing is to sell more bananas, apparently the government is guided by this principle.
  • Far B 2 March 2020 09: 47 New
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    Russia's desire for independence from foreign IT products is caused by national security considerations
    It was clear back in the very deep yesterday.
    In the future, the government will try to eliminate dependence on foreign suppliers.
    But this is an interesting question: when will the very future come for the government of the country? If the government has lived all these years exclusively for today? And one more question, to the heap: interruption of Chinese nameplates on devices / components is an exception to dependence on foreign suppliers?
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      when will this very future come for the government of the country?

      When there was time and opportunities for the development of industry, kissed with partners, now that the window of opportunity has narrowed, there will be moaning. Where now and from whom to get technology? China's best friend?
  • astepanov 2 March 2020 09: 47 New
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    Our main misfortune is the obvious interest of the authorities depending on the West. And how can she not be if, according to press reports:
    - Dmitry Kozak has a residence permit (residence permit) in Switzerland.
    Olga Golodets has a residence permit in Italy. Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov has permanent residence in Spain.
    The Minister of Labor and Social Protection Maxim Topilin has a residence permit in Bulgaria.
    Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade George Kalamanov has a residence permit in the UK.
    Заместитель министра экономического развития Azerbaijani Талыбов имеет ВНЖ Франции.
    Deputy Minister of Finance Alexey Lavrov has permanent residence in Italy.
    Murad Kerimov, Deputy Minister of Natural Resources and Ecology, has permanent residence in France and Cyprus residence permit.
    Deputy Minister of Culture Nikolay Ovsienko has a residence permit in Bulgaria.
    Governors:
    Andrey Vorobyov Governor of the Moscow Region has a residence permit in Spain and Israel
    . Alexander Uss Governor of the Krasnoyarsk Territory has a residence permit in Germany.
    Stanislav Voskresensky governor of the Ivanovo region has a US green card.
    Boris Dubrovsky, ex-governor of the Chelyabinsk region has a residence permit in Switzerland.
    Maxim Liksutov, vice-mayor of Moscow, head of the Department of Transport has Cyprus citizenship.
    Members of the Federation Council:
    Valery Ponomarev has British citizenship.
    Boris Nevzorov holds the citizenship of Cyprus.
    Andrey Klishas has permanent residence in Switzerland.
    Arsen Kanokov has a UK residence permit.
    Elena Mizulina has a residence permit in Belgium.
    Alexander Babakov has British citizenship. Suleiman Kerimov has permanent residence in France.
    Deputies of the State Duma:
    Alexander Zhukov - Residence Permit of Great Britain.
    Andrey Golushko - residence permit in France.
    Grigory Anikeev - Spanish citizenship.
    Ayrat Khayrullin - permanent residence in Spain.
    Leonid Simanovsky - citizenship of Israel and permanent residence of Cyprus.
    Rizvan Kurbanov - permanent residence of Turkey.
    Mikhail Schapov - Residence Permit for Spain.
    Alexander Kravets - permanent residence of Montenegro.
    Grigory Balykhin - permanent residence in Montenegro.
    Elena Bondarenko - residence permit in Italy.
    Igor Lebedev - US Green Card.
    Vyacheslav Nikonov - US citizenship.
    Alexander Remezkov - US Green Card.
    Nikolai Bortsov - British citizenship.
    Otari Arshba - Georgian citizenship.
    Если к этому добавить всех, у кого близкая родня живет за границей, а денежки лежат на счетах западных банков, то картина станет совсем грустной. Вот кого для начала следует "импортозаместить".
    1. Million 2 March 2020 10: 01 New
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      These are patriots!
    2. New Year day 2 March 2020 10: 19 New
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      Quote: astepanov
      interest of the authorities depending on the West.

      Lobby in the State Duma and the Federation Council. An example is the introduction of juvenile justice in the country.
    3. nickname7 2 March 2020 12: 40 New
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      Госчиновникам, а тем более высшим должностным лицам, нельзя проживать, иметь собственность и держать родственников за границей, хотя бы по тому что это потеря лица для страны и угроза шантажа со всеми вытекающими, а также имея запасные аэродромы, они могут начать набивать карманы, чтоб утечь, чиновнику которого дом за границей плевать на РФ. Этого быть не должно. Те кто добровольно выбирает государственную службу, обязаны отказаться от заграницы, либо отказаться от госслужбы.
      Сама возможность набить карман и утечь, она провоцирует коррупцию, вон полковник миллиардер МВД Сергей Терентьев убежал и счастливо проживает на лазурном берегу.
      1. Honest Citizen 2 March 2020 15: 29 New
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        State officials, and even more so senior officials, should not live, have property and keep relatives abroad, if only because this is a loss of face for the country and the threat of blackmail with all the consequences, as well as having alternate aerodromes, they can begin to fill their pockets

        The most disgusting thing is that it took some former KGB officer 20 years to make it appear that he realized this fact.
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      according to press reports:

      What kind of press? Enough to put these nonsense already. Give the proof to the studio.
      1. astepanov 2 March 2020 17: 22 New
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        Во-первых, прямых доказательств я дать, разумеется, не могу. Но если вспомнить, сколько бывших должностных лиц ныне живет за бугром, то всё становится очевидным. Где Козырев, Митрофанов, Чуян, Скрынник, заместитель министра сельского хозяйства Бажанов? А еще -
        Minister of Transport of the Moscow Region left with her son in the USA,
        MP Pikhtin also left for the United States with his son,
        the children of the head of Russian Railways live in England and Switzerland,
        Alexander Zmikhnovsky - the former head of Oboronenergosbyt left for Turkey,
        Sergei Pugachev, who is known as the “Kremlin banker” and was an active supporter of Putin, left for London.
        Таких можно называть десятками, по большинству из них заводились уголовные дела, а потом, как правило, спускались на тормозах. У всех у них "заработанная" собственность, которую они уже и не скрывают: это у нас их виллы якобы "не видят", а в США, Великобритании или Германии приходится раскрываться - и потом уж эти сведения поступают в нашу прессу.
  • Million 2 March 2020 09: 59 New
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    The power that can only trade resources to cut the dough for a quick one will not want to create and cannot
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      The power that can only trade resources to cut the dough for a quick one will not want to create and cannot

      You read export articles.
  • 1536 2 March 2020 10: 00 New
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    They would have given up all their efforts to create a new generation operating system; that would be the task of maximum for the entire IT industry in Russia. And you just hear how they adapted it, you bought it, but it got under sanctions. In general, who is what. But as before, 99,9% of personal computers used by Russian citizens work on American OSs, the hardware is entirely Chinese, except for 1C and Kaspersky, and the Russians have nothing to brag about ... Therefore, one can imagine how the Americans feel, for example, when they read to themselves all sorts of "criticisms" written on computers under Windows. It's like drinking Stolichnaya and scolding Soviet power. In the end, it’s not difficult to guess what, but just like in a biathlon, some kind of relay race is obtained from one government to another, with the same result.
    Or they would stop fooling people with a word game.
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      Astra Linux "done." And there are a lot of all sorts of domestic crafts from our unfortunate programmers.
  • Arlen 2 March 2020 10: 09 New
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    Now the situation has changed positively, at least in the agricultural sector

    Not at all noticeable. There is import in Russia, but no substitution.
    By the way, at the HE in 2018 there was an article “There is nothing to feed the country, import substitution failed”, nothing has changed much in two years.
    https://topwar.ru/134061-kormit-stranu-nechem-importozameschenie-provaleno.html
    In Russia, a large number of researchers and scientists are 3 researchers per 131 million people (1th place in the world). A high proportion of graduates of engineering and scientific specialties is 29% of the total number of graduates (28,1th place in the world).

    From 2010 to 2018, the number of scientists in the country decreased, primarily in the natural and technical sciences, by 6%, from 365,9 thousand to 347,8 thousand.
    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/06/02/2020/5e3acc179a79473df48d46fb
  • Olya Tsako 2 March 2020 10: 11 New
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    We are constantly told that there is no money. What is there no money for? $ 10 billion was invested in Nord Stream-2. After all, someone thought, probably, even knew that he was not needed. However, the money is gone, gone, but no one is responsible.

    Recently it was reported that the Power of Siberia gas pipeline, which was built for China, has nothing to fill: there is little gas in the Chayandinskoye field, but 7 billion have already been invested in drilling wells. Who should be responsible? Who made the decision? Which "Miller"?
    Где наш Госплан ? Где комитеты по раз-витию отраслей ?
    Стройматериалы наши никудышные и для сельского хозяйства. У нас 70−80% изношенной техники. Чем мы будем поднимать село, как выполнять программу мелиорации? Мы не конкурентоспособные. Государству оказалось важнее продавать алюминий Дерипаски: забрали 3 советские электростанции, чтобы Дерипаске платить меньше рубля за киловатт электроэнергии, выплавлять алюминий и продавать за рубеж. А наш русский крестьянин платит по 6−7 рублей. Вот такое лукавство. И т. д и т. п
    За демографию и деторождаемось отвечает владелица ЭЛИТНЫХ гольф-полей и отелей-бездедная Голикова.
    Она же отвечает" за пандемию короновируса". Оно ей надо ?
    1. nickname7 2 March 2020 12: 47 New
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      Pipes and pipes, think only of pipes.

      to Deripaska to pay less than a ruble per kilowatt of electricity, to smel aluminum and sell abroad. And our Russian peasant pays 6-7 rubles

      There are a lot of them, the Chinese are being warmed up by electricity, since it is cheap, the RF is supplied below cost, and for their prices should be like on the world market. Awkward policy however.
  • rudolff 2 March 2020 10: 17 New
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    China has been firmly holding the first place over the past few years in terms of the number of new discoveries and inventions, having overtaken both the Americans, the Japanese, and the Germans. Comparing in absolute figures, Russia to China, as to the moon in an interesting pose. The reason is education. Scientists and specialists of the Soviet school are slowly leaving, in their place the children of the exam. Here is the result. How can we rape the Soviet legacy and are not able to create anything new and advanced. Moreover, even in those areas where we were the undisputed leaders, we are beginning to lose competence. If we do not turn the whole system of education inside out, including secondary and higher, we will continue to degrade, turning into a third world country. And this must be done urgently.
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      В том то и дело ,что никто не будет "выворачивать" систему образования на путь истинный. Нет масштабного ЗАКАЗА от государства. Инженеры, технологи - это не престижно. Про уважению к рабочим, и вообще к человеку труда (создающему материальные ценности, а не услуги), - про это вообще говорить не приходится, - политически "неграмотно" с точки зрения манагеров по оказанию услуг. Презрение к человеку труда, - самая яркая черта нынешнего политического строя, ничего по сути не изменилось с "гайдаровских" времен, так, забор покрасили, флаг РФ повесили.
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        So the most amazing thing is that the level of education of the same managers, economists, lawyers leaves much to be desired. At work, you often have to participate in lawsuits, sometimes you will hear enough of such nonsense, your ears will fade!
  • cniza 2 March 2020 10: 30 New
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    The Russian authorities have already declared an independent transition to the digital sphere. There is potential for this. The only question is when and how it will be implemented.


    Good question, we have it everywhere ...
  • andrew42 2 March 2020 10: 42 New
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    Без собственной микроэлектроники вся болтовня о степени технологической независимости просто пустой трёп. Советская микроэлектроника была убита напрочь вместе с развалом СССР. Не говоря уж о нано-... В узеньком "коридорчике" удовлетворения хоть каких то потребностей ВПК еще что-то теплится. Хвастаем "Эльбрусами". В целом в промышленности Россия не имеет собственного элементного базиса для простейших АСУ, без которых даже станок ЧПУ не создать. В наше время все собственные IT-технологии не существуют вне привязки к "хардвэа" (железу), проектирование и изготовление которого контролируется и заточено под свои IT-продукты, начиная с пресловутых платформ для ОС. "Яблочки" Стивена Джобса - наглядный тому пример. Нет собственного производства электронных микросхем - не будет никакого "независимого"софта, на котором будут работать девайсы, независимые от всяких там санкций. Как говорил герой к/ф "Бресткая крепость", - "Это азбука, товарищ майор!"
  • Chaldon48 2 March 2020 10: 44 New
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    Dreams, dreams, how sweet your dreams are!

    "We were born to make a fairy tale come true."

    Quote: G. Granovsky
    The Russian authorities have already declared an independent transition to the digital sphere.

    Not only declared, but also a new government was formed for this task (it is the government that forms the country's budget).

    The new Prime Minister promised a complete digitalization.
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      Не знаю ,что имел в виду новый Премьер, но с тем, что есть, он может только отчеты цифровизировать и , возможно, рядовое нищее население поставить под жесткий фискальный колпак. Очень надеюсь, что последнее забуксует. Отчего то "число зверя" на ум приходит :))
  • GRIGORIY76 2 March 2020 11: 02 New
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    I can say about "independence" in my industry. I work in a warehouse.
    Storage Equipment - Japan
    Data Collection Terminals - China, USA
    Pallet wrappers - import
    Freight vehicles - Germany
    Air Conditioning - Import
    1. andrew42 2 March 2020 18: 31 New
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      A similar story. Controllers for smart imported machines, and not so smart, but also imported. Classics of the genre: a machine (China) on Panasonic industrial controllers (Japan, Taiwan, and even Thailand !!! - but not Russia, alas).
  • KVK1 2 March 2020 11: 10 New
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    Minister warned Siemens. If it does not transfer intellectual property for the production of large turbines ........, then the Russian side will no longer order turbines from it


    to evil grandmother frostbitten ears? laughing
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    In this regard, the minister warned Siemens. If it does not transfer intellectual property for the production of large turbines with a capacity of 70 and 160 MW to its subsidiary in Russia, the Russian side will no longer order turbines from it. Russia, according to Manturov, has already begun to develop its own units of this class.


    Ahahahahahahahahaahaaaaaa. Tin. These are those who laughed at the Indians.
    1. andrew42 2 March 2020 18: 45 New
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      In such cases, they usually say "It sounds threatening!" and choke with laughter.
  • Galleon 2 March 2020 11: 51 New
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    Dear commentators, where does such excitement come from?
    Well, German journalists came to Manturov, and he told them what they expected him to hear as Germans, as conscientious people. What's so special? Chinese journalists will come, he will tell the Chinese what these Chinese would like to hear from him. Why, even after 20 years of sacking the country and us, do we continue to expect responsibility from those nobles for what was said, or at least that something was behind their words ?? request
  • ZaharoFF 2 March 2020 12: 07 New
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    Absolute independence is not possible. And so, of course, no one forbids marking.
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      Absolute independence is not possible. And so, of course, no one forbids marking.

      -----------------------------------------

      А откуда взялся тезис об "абсолютной независимости" ? Его здесь кто-то выдвигал и его надо опровергнуть ? Или вы пишете о том, что никто не обсуждал просто потому, что это "никто не запрещает" ? А почему тогда вы не пишете, есть ли жизнь на Марсе ? Это писать тоже никто не запрещал.
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        I write what I consider necessary, if you, of course, do not mind. Your opinion is very important to me, believe me, I really look forward to your answers to my comments. I wish you success. Do not be ill.
  • Alex66 2 March 2020 12: 08 New
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    We have a capitalist state, and the capitalist’s goal is profit, by the growth in the number of billions, we occupy a worthy place, there is a club to protect their bills, why invest a little more, on the contrary, we need to abandon social programs, science, culture, we need to be sold to the Western capitalists , and now asia. Sarcasm if that.
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    Chubais again showed its high efficiency
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    In the Soviet Union, 80% of the total number of R&D conducted in the world was carried out. In the remaining 20% ​​carried out by "British scientists", the USSR was not interested. Now, unfortunately, the proportion is reversed.
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      why invest somewhere more, on the contrary, we must abandon social programs, science, culture, we need to sell all that is necessary to the capitalists of the West, and now Asia.

      Если мы вдруг введем высокий таможенный барьер, например запретим ввоз телефонов, то их тут же начнут делать савои производители так как потребность в телефонах ни куда не денется , и инвесторы в очередь выстроятся как свои так и чужие , ибо слишком мого миллиардов крутятся в этой индустрии, , но нужна первоначальная причина толчок.,
  • Po-tzan 2 March 2020 15: 49 New
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    How real is the technological independence of Russia


    As much as real Chinese batteries on Chinese same mounting foam in the world’s unparalleled domestic power supplies for walkie-talkies.
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      Judging by the plate, your photo was taken at Russian Railways.
      This is not a power supply for walkie-talkies, this is a battery from a TA-57 field telephone,
      Native Soviet batteries have decayed for a long time, that’s why all kinds of commerce are stamped
      The phone itself is not killed by the way, we still successfully use the hardware


      The same radio station with a secret battery. laughing

      .
  • Morgan 2 March 2020 16: 40 New
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    “How real is the technological independence of Russia” - the simple answer is not real, at least in the next 100 years, and even then under certain conditions.
  • iouris 2 March 2020 22: 36 New
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    РФ зависима от вражеского окружения. Нужна передовая фундаментальная наука и передовое массовое образование. Смартфон и легковой автомобиль - это концентраты высоких технологий в массовом сегменте. С их помощью "отбиваются" государственные средства, вложенные в создание вооружений, проводятся массовые испытания микроэлектромеханических систем (МЭМС и "доводка" технологий их производства до заданного уровня. Технологии производства изделий массового спроса можно и нужно продавать, а не покупать и внедрять. Нашему государству нужен комплекс военных (государственных) стандартов, устанавливающих требования к компонентам систем и устройств автоматики военного назначения.
  • nikvic46 3 March 2020 09: 14 New
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    I’m calm about import. You think, processing centers appeared from Taiwan. Something useful and you can take from them. Another thing is export in large volumes. Oil prices have recently fallen. And many started looking for some kind of intrigue. The price is regulated by volume sales. The more we sell, the more the price will fall. But the sale of gold is very correct. You can’t wait for many countries to put it on the market.
    1. andrew42 5 March 2020 10: 07 New
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      Разумеется, обрабатывающие центры с Тайваня, - это уже "жизнь", ибо лучше производить что-либо самим, чем вообще ничего не производить. Но это лишь пролог ,а остальные главы сей книги будут: запасные части и комплектующие (именно на них зарабатывают производители технологичных станков), восстановление/обновление ПО, и масса досадных вопросов по обслуживанию (каскад этаких микро "ноу-хау"), которые будут вылезать в ходе эксплуатации. За всё это придется платить, а уж если не дай бог, Тайвань санкции какие-нибудь новые поддержит? - Придется курить бамбук. Постоянно сталкиваюсь с тем ,что декларируемое "российское" оборудование на деле является пере-конфигурацией / доуккомплектацией чисто импортных промышленных агрегатов и систем: робото-сварка, производственные линии закалки/ старения покраски, конвейеры различных типов. Вывеска - Россия. На деле: техника Германии, Италии, Голландии, того же Тайваня. Только Китай вроде бы никто не "залепляет". На данный момент стойкое ощущение, что доля собственно российского технологического оборудования в гражданском производстве, - процентов 5, и то дай бог если 5.
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        И таки да, основная причина того, что "не могём", - это отсутствие электронных модулей управления собственного производства. Даже самых примитивных, Без этого никакой СВОЙ станок / систему/ комплекс не спроектируешь и не создашь. Опять таки ясно отчего так вышло: вот уже 30 лет находящиеся у власти "эффективные манагеры" плевать хотели на промышленное производство в стране, отсюда и мнение, что импортного оборудования вполне достаточно, а собственное станкостроение "нерентабельно", ибо недостаточен спрос. Замкнутый круг. И разрубитб этот гордиев узел можно исключительно "мечом Александра", а точнее сменой экономического курса всей страны, что без смены политического строя , увы, нереально.
  • jura-19 5 March 2020 10: 57 New
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    Putinism was not created to create but only to destroy .. as an ardent Putinist would say this is the machinations of the United States ... thanks to them for Putin
  • vindigo 5 March 2020 20: 58 New
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    Medical masks and respirators let them learn to do. From simple to complex!
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    one can only dream of technological independence, the author is very optimistic ... and the point is not that there are no brains ... but the fact that the authorities are not interested in independence ... this is a matter of politics, but not of economics, of course it is a pity.
  • Jurkovs 6 March 2020 07: 24 New
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    Главное даже не в том, чтобы выпускать оборудование на собственной территории, главное чтобы это оборудование выпускалось по общепринятым стандарта. Когда СССР открылся для международной торговли, сразу же выяснилось, что в СССР были свои стандарты, а в мире свои (американские). Развал экономики сразу же начался с перехода на мировые стандарты, так как полетели все технологические цепочки. А вместо того чтобы вкладываться и создавать новые комплектующие, пошли по самому легкому пути, стали закупать на Западе. И сразу же попали под влияние и под будущие санкции. Пример. Торговая война между Китаем и США началась с претензий к Хуавей. А все дело в том, что китайцы преуспели в разработке сетей 5G, а следовательно навязывали всему миру свой стандарт и как следствие сняли бы все сливки с выпуска оборудования. США усиленно этому мешают и экстренно дорабатывают свой стандарт. Какой примет мир сегодня не ясно. И если мы примем китайский вариант, а в мире победит американский, то нам вновь придется заниматься импортозамещением.