Turkish UAVs hit the airfield in Hama. Russia does not guarantee security for Turkish Air Force over Syria

_{Turkish Minister of Defense with representatives of the command staff}

A new Turkish military convoy entered the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic. Illegal border crossing point - traditionally used by the Turks in the past few weeks: a site at the Chilveguzyu checkpoint on the road from Turkish Reyhanli to the Syrian city of Sarmada.

Meanwhile, Syrian government forces suffered losses in the south of the country - in the province of Daraa, where militant groups intensified on the eve. The militants attacked several settlements at once near the borders of Israel and Jordan: Nahra al-Harir, Al-Mazirib, Tafas, Qasim, as well as the administrative center of the province of Daraa - the city of the same name.

According to reports from Syria, three members of the SAR security service were killed in al-Mazirib.

Also, the militants noticeably intensified in the south of Idlib province. Having lost significant territories last week, the militants regrouped and launched a counterattack, trying to take one of the key cities in these territories - Kafranbel.

Reports came from the province of Hama that Turkish drummers Drones are already active in the airspace of this part of Syria. According to the latest data, UAVs of the Turkish armed forces attacked the positions of the SAA at the local airfield. According to some reports, the anti-aircraft installations used to protect the facility were damaged.

With the help of long-range artillery, Turkish troops fired on the western suburbs of Aleppo. In particular, a blow was inflicted on the Al-Zahra quarter. And on the M5 highway, several units of Syrian government forces' armored vehicles were destroyed from the air.

The day before, two Turkish Air Force F-16 fighters shot down two Su-24 Syrian Air Force bombers.

Against this background, the Russian Ministry of Defense circulated a message that after Damascus closed its airspace over Idlib, it could not guarantee security for the Turkish military aviation. The Russian defense department noted that Turkish actions in Idlib violate the agreements previously reached in Sochi.

Comments

[Orel]

For guarantees, only God must be contacted)

[Aerodrome]

Russia does not guarantee security for Turkish Air Force over Syria

and for whom we guarantee?

Quote: Orel

For guarantees, only God must be contacted)

State Trekh ...!

[bessmertniy]

It's time to beat pots with Turkey. Erdogan was told that Syria is not his watch, that he needs to leave Syria, and he does not obey. We must punish as we can.

[siberalt]

Erdogan needs to sell refugees from the Idlib region to Europe. In fact, getting money for blackmailing Europe. He also reduced the purchase of gas from Russia by a third, which is the same blackmail. Suppresses its military in Syria under fire, and this is a provocation plus blackmail. And the main task of all of Europe and NATO is to show Russia's weakness in this conflict. The question is put on edge. A dead end has been created for us. How are we going to go out? And then there will be "a very interesting movie". And it's not for us in you to guess who will be the main director. We will see.

[Nychego]

Quote: bessmertniy

It's time to beat pots with Turkey. stop

They gently hold the Russian elite for the South Stream - the battle of dishes will begin, they can lightly press.

[Jmbg]

Varna is still where it was 2000 a year ago.

[Leonid Anatolevich]

Erdogan may say: "Take care of the pensions of the Russians, but no one was waiting for you here and get out and take Assad"

[Uncle lee]

“This Smith is such a thug, he does this. "
M. Zhvanetsky.

[Titsen]

Need to shoot down. And not guarantees scattered.
And then these PARTNERS have stopped catching flies!

[Alex Nevs]

Express concern?

[tech3030]

After the downing of the Turks be sure!

[atalef]

Quote: Orel

For guarantees, only God must be contacted)

Strange and ambiguous.
Russia does not guarantee.
And what did you guarantee earlier?
Then who decided. that the expression - does not guarantee - implies - FORBIDDEN?

[Obliterator]

Quote: Orel

For guarantees, only God must be contacted)

But he usually does not give them.

[Skubudu]

In truth, the statements of Russia or Syria closed the airspace ... no one takes seriously anymore.
We have heard such statements since 2015 ... how many times ...
... Russia brought S-400 to Syria ... Israeli aviation is afraid to even take off ...
... Russia has thrown SU-35 to Syria, Turkish and Israeli pilots massively submit reports on dismissal
... Russia delivered the S-300 air defense system to the SAA, now the fly will not slip ...
Since September 2015 we have heard a lot of loud statements about the "closed sky" by the Russian Aerospace Forces and the SAA Air Force ... the result is zero.

[Slavutich]

Here they are friends

[bessmertniy]

Better an honest enemy than a vile friend.

[Arlen]

Turkey cannot be called an honest enemy. Turkey is a vile enemy. In the history of Russia there were no honest enemies, I do not remember those, there were always only vile enemies.

[bessmertniy]

Turkey today is neither an enemy nor a friend, but simply a "woman of lightweight behavior"

[Igor Pa]

Napoleon! He walked openly. Swedish Karl. Also did not bother.

[abrakadabre]

In the history of Russia there were no honest enemies

Well, why? Charles 12 behaved quite honestly-hostile. The Tatar-Mongols, also not very busy with fuss. And they raged in the open.

[Oleg Bagaev]

There is something in it!

[Mountain shooter]

Erdogan played too much ... And he no longer understands what to do. At the same time attacks the Syrian troops and sends refugees to Europe? Like, Europe will love him after that?

[paul3390]

But yesterday there was a statement by Iran - another blow to the pro-Iranian formations by the Ottomans - and the Iranians will begin to respond .. Still, this funny dude Erdogan managed to overwhelm literally everyone. And to spoil everyone. Interesting - how is going to live further?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: paul3390

- and the Iranians will begin to answer

And what about the Kurds? Suddenly fell in love with Erdogan? Maybe it's time to give them "cookies"? They will just show their love for the Turks ...

[paul3390]

Actually - a very curious question, how many of the really combat-ready units of the formally half-million army will the Turks be able to use against Assad? Given the presence of Kurds and Iran? And inside the country you still have to leave something ..

[g1washntwn]

Turkey has preventively launched a military operation to clean up the Kurdish areas. There is no information, but probably even the dining rooms are forged.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: paul3390

- and the Iranians will begin to answer

And what about the Kurds? Suddenly fell in love with Erdogan? Maybe it's time to give them "cookies"? They will just show their love for the Turks ...

Yesterday, he launched a military operation in the Kurdish regions of Syria under the pretext of combating terrorism, including aggravation in the Kurdish direction will intensify and the Kurds can withdraw from the buffer zone agreements and move their armed forces.

[Campanella]

Yes, it seems cookies have already been delivered to the Kurds. Erogen's successes should be replaced by a strip of his failures. So we are waiting for the development of the play. And then look how far he can go. Here, as they say, a strategic miscalculation is important. Whoever more accurately considers it will win.

[REEKMAN]

And more recently he was implementing the policy of "zero problems with neighbors" ... The concept has changed, apparently

[protoss]

slightly transformed the concept - now "a lot of problems have neighbors" (Syria and Iraq are disassembled, Iran is under sanctions, in tough contradictions with the states and with the coronavirus, Greece and Bulgaria are about to choke on refugees), because of which their heads are do not lift.

[Jmbg]

Refugees do not go to Bulgaria. Here we meet them with honors ...

[Campanella]

Hot turkish guy! She will end badly, too self-confident and risky! It’s softer to be, softer.
The Americans over there, constantly crap, but little by little and hide behind all sorts of good goals, well, just like Erogen ... Lose, of course, but not so fatal. Yes, and their potential will be more male.

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: REEKMAN

And more recently he was implementing the policy of "zero problems with neighbors" ... The concept has changed, apparently

That's for sure, the concept of the mustachioed has changed.
Now it sounds like this: "Zero neighbors without problems."

[Stone]

Yes, it seems that Putin has practically no friends.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

At the same time attacks the Syrian troops and sends refugees to Europe? Like, Europe will love him after that?

He does not count on love. When sending refugees, Erdogan puts pressure on Europe in the expectation that Europe will put pressure on Russia.

[Thompson]

Pure blackmail to support him. But they will lead

[Stils]

And what, previously guaranteed?

[Karaul14]

Turkey has another 3 days to achieve a significant result, and then it will be fixed by agreements on the 5th of March at a meeting with Putin. So events will develop with a high degree of probability.

[siberalt]

For so many meetings, you can bring a bunch of children. And here everything is empty - zero. What's next?

[Campanella]

They can fix, of course, in order to then take everything away. This Erogen buffer zone is expensive.
If Europe would unanimously support it, but this is not.

[jovanni]

The Russian defense department noted that Turkish actions in Idlib violate the agreements previously reached in Sochi.

Aha Turks! So the "answer" has come for you! Tremble now ...

[Livonetc]

Tureki shot down only one dryer, the second only knocked out.
About 9 Turkish attack drones were shot down.
CAA freed Sarkib key transportation hub.

[Swordserg]

Where does the infa that freed Sarkib come from? This was not after the loss of the 27th

[Livonetc]

From Chervonets.

[Swordserg]

And who is Chervonets? For some reason, news agencies are silent. If Sarakib were recaptured, it was already full of news

[Commissar77]

In his dreams, the comrade Livonetc took Sarakib. Propaganda propaganda, but so rude no need to lie

[Piramidon]

Quote: Livonetc

From Chervonets.

The most reliable and informed source?

[Livonetc]

Stepan
And what are these absolutely reliable sources?
This information has been confirmed.
Sarakib taken.

[Grits]

Quote: Livonetc

Tureki shot down only one dryer, the second only knocked out.
About 9 Turkish attack drones were shot down.
CAA freed Sarkib key transportation hub.

Otkel is such a positive? Please.

[Siberian]

From Poddubny

[voyaka uh]

"about 9 Turkish attack drones." ///
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About 9 is 3 pieces.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: voyaka uh

"about 9 Turkish attack drones." ///
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About 9 is 3 pieces.

On Channel One they said - 6.

[voyaka uh]

Multiplied by 2, for solidity.

[Krasnodar]

Quite possible

[Krasnodar]

Quote: voyaka uh

"about 9 Turkish attack drones." ///
----
About 9 is 3 pieces.

Who are you voting for? For Bibika or Hans?

[zoland]

Quote: Krasnodar

Quote: voyaka uh

"about 9 Turkish attack drones." ///
----
About 9 is 3 pieces.

Who are you voting for? For Bibika or Hans?

For the Third International

[Krasnodar]

Today is the election in Israel. Cheto most friends against Natanyagi

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Krasnodar

Today is the election in Israel. Cheto most friends against Natanyagi

If you lose the election, you will probably have to dry crackers. Or is everything not so serious with criminal cases opened against him?

[Krasnodar]

Greetings!
Most likely - will sit down

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Krasnodar

Greetings!
Most likely - will sit down

I greet you too, my friend!
Yes, strictly in your country in violation of the law.
But to us on the forum from its landing there is no profit, so we will not gloat.
As the saying goes: "To each his own life."

[Piramidon]

Quote: zoland

For the Third International

And Erdogan in which?

[protoss]

in Turkish UAV - only one photo is, the remaining 8 so far only in words.

[rotmistr60]

Erdogan's supposed meeting with VVP is scheduled for March 5. So let's see how it ends. But before that date, in three days, the Turks can still do a lot. Semyon Arkadyevich Bagdasarov said correctly at Solovyov's that for some reason they do not calculate the possible consequences of such a "friendship." The pursuit of economic benefits ultimately leads to serious consequences in the military sector.

[DenZ]

Quote: rotmistr60

The pursuit of economic benefits ultimately leads to serious military consequences.

And through the military direction, the same economic benefit is reduced to almost zero and, moreover, can lead to economic losses. The Turks, as they themselves said, fought with us 16 times. In theory, this should teach us something about their "friendship"; I wonder what the Kremlin thinks about this now.

[sniperino]

Quote: DenZ

The Turks, as they themselves said, fought with us 16 times. In theory, this should teach us something about their "friendship"

The fact that the 17th war can add Mediterranean to the Black Sea resorts of Russia as well? In FIG they are not needed. May be limited to control over the passage to the Sea of ​​Marmara

[maidan.izrailovich]

Erdogan’s expected meeting with GDP is scheduled for March 5.

The Kremlin is still mistaken that diplomats will tear everything down.
The worst forecasts come true. And Russia has two options. Either run away with shame (not our way) from Syria, or accept the battle.
ps Sorry only for our boys. They will die only because someone has played in "politics".

[Siberian]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

The Kremlin is still in error ...

Information from which sources? Or your own speculation?

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

The Kremlin is still mistaken that diplomats will tear everything down.
The worst forecasts come true. And Russia has two options. Either run away with shame (not our way) from Syria, or accept the battle.

Are forecasts too gloomy? Let's wait for the results of the meeting. Neither Russia nor Turkey needs a full-scale war.

[maidan.izrailovich]

Let's wait for the results of the meeting.

Meetings were more than enough. And after each, the situation only worsened. I doubt that this time will be different.

[Piramidon]

Quote: rotmistr60

Erdogan’s expected meeting with GDP is scheduled for March 5. So let's see how it ends.

And how did this end? The meeting is not the first.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: rotmistr60

Erdogan’s expected meeting with GDP is scheduled for March 5. So let's see how it ends.

And how did this end? The meeting is not the first.

Today's situation cannot last long. Anyway, either it will be decided at a meeting, or the Turks will rake in an adult.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vladimir_6

or the Turks will rake over an adult.

From whom? If soberly, without hatred to argue. The forces are too unequal. What can our two incomplete regiments with problematic logistics and the Assad army, which has been exhausted in battle, do against the Turkish army, which has both supplies at its side and support from the West?

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Vladimir_6

or the Turks will rake over an adult.

From whom? If soberly, without hatred to argue. The forces are too unequal. What can our two incomplete regiments with problematic logistics and the Assad army, which has been exhausted in battle, do against the Turkish army, which has both supplies at its side and support from the West?

Let's start from the fact that there will be no war with the Turks.
Soberly, without hatred, one must understand that the alleged war would not be fought by the forces of our two incomplete air regiments, but by the Russian Armed Forces.
The Turkish army, which has supplies at hand, knows what and from where it will fly back.
And the Kurds in this situation would be of great help.
Western support is not even worth a discussion.
In May 2017, when Russia was "frying" the Turkomans, it was clearly shown to Turkey for the executed pilot that Russia was ready for decisive action.
But as I said above, I proceed from the fact that this will not come to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE9OLxCSaMI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBijIpNKsf0
This is so, refresh your memory.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vladimir_6

Let's start from the fact that there will be no war with the Turks.

Here you go. You propose to proceed from the fact that there will be no war and at the same time, you have the whole expectation of a full-scale war

the alleged war would not be waged by our two incomplete air regiments, but by the Russian Armed Forces.

Western support is not even worth a discussion.

Nevertheless, the military forces of the so-called. of the "international coalition" there is also the West, together with the Arabian princes, is strenuously supplying crowds of Barmaley to Syria, financing and supplying them.

And the Kurds in this situation would be of great help.

The Kurds have already shown themselves to be very muddy comrades. Who promises them more, for that they will subscribe.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Piramidon

Here you go. You propose to proceed from the fact that there will be no war and at the same time, you have the whole expectation of a full-scale war

Not a calculation, but an answer to:

The forces are too unequal. What can our two incomplete aviation regiments do

Nevertheless, the military forces of the so-called. The "international coalition" is present there and the West is strenuously supplying crowds of barmaley to Syria, financing and supplying them.

What they supply, finance and supply is a fact. But you must admit, they will not fight for Turkey.
I am fully aware that the situation is serious. No wonder the IL-76 are landing.
But I am sure that the leadership of Russia and the General Staff are under control, and I do not support the panic posts of individual members of the forum.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vladimir_6

Quote: Piramidon

Here you go. You propose to proceed from the fact that there will be no war and at the same time, you have the whole expectation of a full-scale war

Not a calculation, but an answer to:

The forces are too unequal. What can our two incomplete aviation regiments do

Nevertheless, the military forces of the so-called. The "international coalition" is present there and the West is strenuously supplying crowds of barmaley to Syria, financing and supplying them.

What they supply, finance and supply is a fact. But you must admit, they will not fight for Turkey.
I am fully aware that the situation is serious. No wonder the IL-76 are landing.
But I am sure that the leadership of Russia and the General Staff are under control, and I do not support the panic posts of individual members of the forum.

From all your comments, I came to the following conclusion:
1. There will be no full-scale war (I agree)
2. I agree that the Western "democracies" will not be directly involved in this conflict. But they have much more money than we have, and it is quite enough to hire to feed and supply with weapons another 100/500 thousand frostbitten, ideologically charged barmaley.

But I am sure that the leadership of Russia and the General Staff are under control

I can’t say that I’m sure, but I also hope so. To know the operational plans of the General Staff is not our competence.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Piramidon

I can’t say that I’m sure, but I also hope so. To know the operational plans of the General Staff is not our competence.

I agree. But at least today, encouraging news began to arrive.

[Klingon]

why don't drones land? I don’t understand ... where are all these electronic warfare systems? or did the CAA simply and never have? where is the rest of the air defense, - Shells, Torahs, Beeches, Vega, Neva ??

[alavrin]

This question should have been asked BEFORE the operation in Idlib.

[Grits]

Quote: alavrin

This question should have been asked BEFORE the operation in Idlib.

And not for us, but for the military leadership of the SAA and our General Staff

[unhappy]

[Quote] [/ quote]
You ask bold questions, angry people threw a dozen minuses for a question about combat robots.

[alavrin]

And what is so kind to minuses in VO? Does it interfere with electronic careers and seniority?)

[unhappy]

I thought this was a serious resource, adequate people.

[alavrin]

Earlier. Its level over the past year or two has seriously decreased. And estimates (pluses or minuses) began to be manipulated. For me it would be better to cancel them altogether. And then along the way, some seriously take their electronic titles and electronic career growth.

[unhappy]

I also read here for a long time about five years, recently registered.

[Incvizitor]

No, just do not need to cancel, someone will come in from the side to look and here some have such nonsense written, they will seriously still count with minuses at least it is clear "who is who."

[huntsman650]

Anti-radar missiles fly from Turkey, are guided by radiation, it’s almost hard to bring down, high speed, launch distance of 70 km.

[Grandfather Crimea]

Sadly, but not owning all the information, one misunderstanding creeps into my head.

[Dikson]

Ahaha ... Excuse me .. Judging by the photo in the article - the ass is full ... Erdogan in response has not yet said that "does not guarantee the safety of Russian aircraft in Khmeimim"? Not yet? Since the establishment of the no-fly zone, the Turks have already gouged so much, including the Syrian airfields and air defense systems .. that for the Syrians this is a truly no-fly regime ... How and with what is Syria going to ensure a clear sky over Idlib? On the downed Turkish F-16, in addition to the Turks, the staffers from the AUG will also fly in .. and no one can touch them at all .. Here information flashed that the Turks had covered the Syrian S-300 complex .. Which never fired a single volley neither for Israel, nor for anyone else's air targets .. If this is true, then things are really bad .. This whole operation clearly shows how much more effective today's technologies and tactics of hostilities are compared to guerrilla warfare ... How many laughter was there at stupid Americans about using UAVs against lone jeeps, camels and bulldozers? Give an example, where and who was more effective than the Turks in Idlib, who was able to gouge free-standing armored vehicles and air defense systems in such a short time? Our Kaliningrad Iskanders are probably very funny .. however, because of Kaliningrad, no one will unleash a nuclear war .. Returning to the statements of our military - lately they are very similar to the statements of our Foreign Ministry .. Something has already been about "knocking down carriers" , air defense umbrellas and other threats .. and the two shot down Syrian Sushki clearly demonstrate that Turkish aircraft are quite capable of ensuring their own security, without caring concerns from the Russian side ..

[Camille]

Fully agree with you.

[huntsman650]

They attacked Syria, not the Russian Federation))))

[Dikson]

huntsman, do you think that the Kaliningrad Iskander has more chances to escape from a UAV with a missile than a Syrian tank? Well, for example? And what is "better" - to lose a combat vehicle, a plane with a crew that has been preparing for many years, or just a piece of electronics and plastic? And the operators are alive and well ... They will attack the Russian Federation yet, wait, there is not much left, judging by the armored forces in Europe .. And we will, as in 41, with a bayonet and a grenade ... because there will be no nuclear response - these are scares for children. . and against the enemy stuffed with electronics and weapons, we have essentially only a reliable Kalashnikov ..

[huntsman650]

Cowards and alarmists were shot at 41 ohms. This night
https://m.vk.com/wall-55849790_1055796
I live in Kaliningrad))) I got a divine gift and fried eggs))) they will attack Kaliningrad, well, well. Who! Turks? There is Syria for this, and everyone who needs to be in a hurry is training there. If they attack my city, I will eat my cap.

[Dikson]

ranger650, I'm sorry .. you did not catch the sad irony .. "when the Red Army uproots the enemy with a bayonet and a grenade .." - this is a quote from one commander from the bad TV series "The Last Armored Train" .. did you watch it? The commander pushed this speech to the soldiers .. and then the Germans gouged the train and he shot himself out of grief, never reaching the front line .. And since you live in Kaliningrad and are so sure .. then let it be so .. And let the cap remain intact ..)

[huntsman650]

Nobody has gone further than Moscow yet!

[SOVIET UNION 2]

And what do the Chinese in the Far East do? How did they get there?

[huntsman650]

More alarmists https://m.vk.com/wall-55849790_1055948

[Grits]

Judging by the fact that Turkish planes quietly tumble down Syrian planes and helicopters, and their drones feel like kings in the sky, the no-fly zone there has a place to be just for SAA, and not for Tureks.

[protoss]

it is a no brainer that the current Syrian army is not ready and cannot equal the Turkish one. her level is bearded partisans.
and when we got involved in this, we were hardly going to fight there with Turkey, Israel or the states. and we don’t need to do this.
and even now, when everything is so heated, you can still get out of the situation without loss.
everyone completely forgot about the constitutional committee, whose composition had been settled for many months. But you can now stop the hostilities and just kick the natives to negotiate on the constitution and elections.
moreover, Russia and Turkey can force their wards not to roll cotton wool, but to adopt a constitution and set an election date within two weeks. let the elections under UN supervision take place.
and then how it goes: Assad wins - ok, our wards lose in the elections - we’ll leave, you won’t be forcibly sweet. it will not be our military defeat, it will be a political defeat of al-Assad.
if we truly believe that he is the president of all of Syria, then why should we resist the elections that prove it?
and if it turns out that the cat cried for real support, it means that we put the wrong horse and we must put up with this, and not multiply the losses in a futile undertaking.

[Livonetc]

Infa is not on this topic, but it is interesting as a possible sign of change.
In Greece, at the request of Russia, the former battalion commander Aidar was arrested.

[Alex Nevs]

Minor hohloskakuny.

[Alex_You]

Not arrested, but detained. Well, they will sort it out and let it go. Screen

[sniperino]

Quote: Livonetc

as a possible sign of change. In Greece

They blocked the NATO statement in support of Turkey.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

Turkish UAVs hit the airfield in Hama

[Camille]

And yesterday some "experts" here said that the Turks cannot fly over Idlib and the downed Su-24 is fake. So it was confirmed? .... In fact, the airspace over Idlib is closed to the Syrian Air Force. Do you want more news ????

[K-50]

Until the Turkish "hooligan" is given in the snout, the Syrians will not calm down and continue to die.

[McDonnell Douglas]

Maybe the clerk just hadn’t been born yet?

[Grits]

Quote: K-50

Until the Turkish "hooligan" is given in the snout, the Syrians will not calm down and continue to die.

Unfortunately, there is no one to give him a snout. Our scared to trembling knees, and the Syrian snout did not come out to snout. Iran only threatens to give a slap in the face, but it won’t - as if not to get it yourself. So, the bully has unbelted, no one has given him a decree - he will continue to beat everyone who is weaker than him or to frown at those who have punched him in his pants.

[Piramidon]

Quote: K-50

Until the Turkish "hooligan" is given in the snout, the Syrians will not calm down and continue to die.

Who can give? Assad’s army is becoming smaller and smaller; we have only two mixed air regiments there. Iran will not sign an open clash with the Turks. The forces are not comparable with the Turkish army. Moreover, Erdogan has a huge reserve of cannon fodder in the form of barmaley from around the world.

[Karaul73]

Did Syria have a SU-24? Who will tell?

[maidan.izrailovich]

Did Syria have a SU-24? Who will tell?

Yes .... 21 Su-24M / M2 as of 2018

[Vasyan1971]

The Russian defense department noted that Turkish actions in Idlib violate the agreements previously reached in Sochi.

Pancake. It remains to express deep concern. I remember it was said, like "if a fight is inevitable, then you have to hit first." The situation is reminiscent of a gopnik hitting a terpila: they already understand everything and they are already acting, but he hopes to the very end that this is a joke and "everything will be fine." Will not be.

[Alex Nevs]

Looks like not a fight. We are waiting for the asshole

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Alex Nevs

Looks like not a fight. We are waiting for the asshole

Well yes. Until we wash ourselves with blood and achieve a sufficient degree of brutality, we will mumble. A tradition consecrated for centuries, however ...

[nickname7]

It remains a deep concern to express

Deep already boring, it's time to move on to "deepest concern"

[atalef]

Quote: McDonnell Douglas

Yesterday, on the federal channel, in the news, they announced information that Erdogan had himself trapped in Syria and only our president can save him.

but it seems to me that Russia generally got into this viper in vain, and also with rhetoric about invincibility and almost a holy war and its role in Syria and its fate.
It’s hard to admit, but in my opinion Russia is twisted as they want - Syria. Iran, Turkey - and Russia only puffs her cheeks and ...
Need to voice Russia's goal in Syria?
to save the country from * babahs * --- you probably didn’t understand, the problem is not in the arriving barmaley - the problem is in the CIVIL WAR, the problem is primarily in Assad and until it is changed, nothing will change from the mark.
Assad is hated in Syria; it is an Alawite minority who drowned Syria in blood.
Assad rests solely on foreign bayonets.
Just think about it - take away the Iranians. There will be nothing left for Hezbollah and the VKS and Assad for a week, and who will carry him forward from his palace? His own Syrians.
Not new uncles.
Americans sat in Afghanistan for 18 years fighting the Taliban - until they understood. the Taliban is a popular movement. what meets the aspirations and lifestyle of the bulk of Afghans and it is useless to fight this.
Therefore, they made peace and left.
In Syria, the same thing. the Alawites and the newly arrived Shiites will not be able to rule Syria until an internal dialogue is established that allows 4 million Syrians to return home.
Until the president is Sunni. What to do in Syria 70% of Sunnis and Syria (like all Arabs) still live in a tribal way, whether you like it or not.
Assad must be removed and find a suitable figure for Russia, but there is a problem
1. image - well, how Russia is not mistaken and doesn’t betray friends - is it only Assad 7’s friend? And hell are such friends. leading you into the abyss?
2. Iranians - it is clear that the Sunni will first throw the Iranians out of Syria, and who will fight? For whom ? For Assad.
Again, a dead end. We intervene in the transition period, when the Iranians seem to be gone, the prospects are not clear and Russia is face to face with the Sunnis
3.Turkey, it’s hard to realize that like turkey with tomatoes and everything is included, it can calmly bend the whole group of the RF Armed Forces in Syria without particularly straining, and how to get out of the formula
Erdogan - the enemy, crawled on his knees - a friend and ... that again the enemy 7 And who is the goof here after the South Stream. s-400 and nuclear power plants - and by the way, for the loans of Russia.
You need to look real and it seems to me that for Russia it is much better to look around and understand.
Let Turkey tear off the north of Syria (well, isn’t it fun for the Russian Federation, tea is not Russian territory), bring to power a person who can establish an internal dialogue in the country - with this Russia can somehow guarantee the future of its bases in Syria since it’s clear that there’s no ISIS or something like that is not the reason for finding Russia in Syria.
Otherwise. there will be a loss after a loss, but for some reason you perceive this as a defeat for Russia.
You should not identify the Assad’s power and the integrity of Syria almost like this is the region of Russia.
Really look, otherwise the war will be to infinity, and then you will be thrown out of there.

[huntsman650]

Decided))) Assad to clean))) can Erdogan?))) Assad is the work of the Syrian people !!! You probably write from the Kremlin office?)))

[Krasnodar]

With Assad, the problem is not even in the Alawite minority ..
In Syria, there was such a conditional socialism - the land and large enterprises belonged to the state, support for agriculture came from the government. Assad carried out privatization - in favor of relatives and close associates - including Sunnis. Many were not satisfied with the results of privatization, but due to problems with land reclamation, which arose, including with the help of Turkey, the peasants who received the land went bankrupt. The state did not help them, unlike the Islamic organizations involved in Zakiyat. Therefore, with the beginning of the Arab spring in BV, Assad became byak for most Syrians, and pseudo-Islamists began to be associated with the help of ordinary people.

[WOLF330]

Assad does not rule the country and drowns it in blood. Who needs it at all?

[Uran53]

Look, there are a lot of videos on YouTube that this "people" is doing with those who disagree. Cutting off heads is still an easy death

[atalef]

Quote: Uran53

Look, there are a lot of videos on YouTube that this "people" is doing with those who disagree. Cutting off heads is still an easy death

that is.
There is no other people there.
Bosko there they cut everything and everything.
By the way, Russian PMCs including (not so long ago a video was) - is it contagious or what?

[huntsman650]

What problems are you missing? We have no one yet cuts anything to anyone. The journalism in Turkey was generally dismembered))) Arabs, East, why are you so worried? They’ll put another one, they’ll cut Boski, savages !!! We have a training ground for testing equipment and training hp.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: atalef

Quote: McDonnell Douglas

Yesterday, on the federal channel, in the news, they announced information that Erdogan had himself trapped in Syria and only our president can save him.

but it seems to me that Russia generally got into this viper in vain, and also with rhetoric about invincibility and almost a holy war and its role in Syria and its fate.
It’s hard to admit, but in my opinion Russia is twisted as they want - Syria. Iran, Turkey - and Russia only puffs her cheeks and ...
Need to voice Russia's goal in Syria?
to save the country from * babahs * --- you probably didn’t understand, the problem is not in the arriving barmaley - the problem is in the CIVIL WAR, the problem is primarily in Assad and until it is changed, nothing will change from the mark.
Assad is hated in Syria; it is an Alawite minority who drowned Syria in blood.
Assad rests solely on foreign bayonets.
Just think about it - take away the Iranians. There will be nothing left for Hezbollah and the VKS and Assad for a week, and who will carry him forward from his palace? His own Syrians.
Not new uncles.
Americans sat in Afghanistan for 18 years fighting the Taliban - until they understood. the Taliban is a popular movement. what meets the aspirations and lifestyle of the bulk of Afghans and it is useless to fight this.
Therefore, they made peace and left.
In Syria, the same thing. the Alawites and the newly arrived Shiites will not be able to rule Syria until an internal dialogue is established that allows 4 million Syrians to return home.
Until the president is Sunni. What to do in Syria 70% of Sunnis and Syria (like all Arabs) still live in a tribal way, whether you like it or not.
Assad must be removed and find a suitable figure for Russia, but there is a problem
1. image - well, how Russia is not mistaken and doesn’t betray friends - is it only Assad 7’s friend? And hell are such friends. leading you into the abyss?
2. Iranians - it is clear that the Sunni will first throw the Iranians out of Syria, and who will fight? For whom ? For Assad.
Again, a dead end. We intervene in the transition period, when the Iranians seem to be gone, the prospects are not clear and Russia is face to face with the Sunnis
3.Turkey, it’s hard to realize that like turkey with tomatoes and everything is included, it can calmly bend the whole group of the RF Armed Forces in Syria without particularly straining, and how to get out of the formula
Erdogan - the enemy, crawled on his knees - a friend and ... that again the enemy 7 And who is the goof here after the South Stream. s-400 and nuclear power plants - and by the way, for the loans of Russia.
You need to look real and it seems to me that for Russia it is much better to look around and understand.
Let Turkey tear off the north of Syria (well, isn’t it fun for the Russian Federation, tea is not Russian territory), bring to power a person who can establish an internal dialogue in the country - with this Russia can somehow guarantee the future of its bases in Syria since it’s clear that there’s no ISIS or something like that is not the reason for finding Russia in Syria.
Otherwise. there will be a loss after a loss, but for some reason you perceive this as a defeat for Russia.
You should not identify the Assad’s power and the integrity of Syria almost like this is the region of Russia.
Really look, otherwise the war will be to infinity, and then you will be thrown out of there.

Bravo. I like your analytics. Logically, consistently and objectively.

PS I hope that many other VO participants will also gradually switch to a similar presentation of their views (it does not matter whether they are opposite or share). And VO gradually from "kindergarten", with giggling and hooting, will grow into a platform where serious things are seriously discussed. Moreover, since the pro-government political scientists and analysts screwed up wherever possible and are only suitable for participating in Solovyov's programs, for hanging noodles on the ears of the population.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Assad is hated in Syria; it is an Alawite minority who drowned Syria in blood.
Assad rests solely on foreign bayonets.
Just think about it - take away the Iranians. There will be nothing left for Hezbollah and the VKS and Assad for a week, and who will carry him forward from his palace? His own Syrians.
Not new uncles.

And why is the situation in Syria unique? This is nowhere to be found? In Russia, a rich minority rules the country. And there is no love of the population for him. In the same America, a rich minority also rules. In the leadership of Israel, a poor majority? Will we change power in all countries where minorities rule?

[atalef]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

And why is the situation in Syria unique? This is nowhere to be found? In Russia, a rich minority rules the country

Well, I would have looked. if in Russia all the important posts and the whole business would be exclusively in the hands - well, say Evenki (idolaters)
At the same time, we should talk about Russia, let's say the end of the 19th century. when the basis was peasantry with a clan system of relations

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

In the same America, a rich minority also rules. In the leadership of Israel, a poor majority

In these countries, elected elites are also replaced.
Removable - keyword and social elevators work.
like that with analytics, you are not very. I'm sorry.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

I think nationality does not play a role. Minorities can be any, national, criminal, financial, family. You Israelis love to focus on minorities, oppression. So how do religious minorities differ from national ones? Or criminal from family? Does a rich minority not infringe on the rights of a poor minority? Is this a turnover in America? There, both the capital class (a rich minority) ruled and rules. Only public figures change there, and the essence remains unchanged! The power of a rich minority! Although the presidential election every 4 years is a very good valve for dumping popular discontent. After 2 years, it turns out that they put the wrong horse, every 4 years a new election! And the appearance of involvement in governing the country!

[atalef]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

I think nationality does not play a role. Minorities can be any

Well, tell it on BV.
By the way, do not confuse nationality and religion.
In Syria, almost 100% Arabs

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

So how do religious minorities differ from national ones?

so that both national and religious minorities cannot rule the majority.
It is a fact .

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Does a rich minority not infringe on the rights of a poor minority?

and who is the majority?

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

then in America, the turnover?

Yes . disprove?

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Only public figures change there, and the essence remains unchanged!

Well, yes, it seems so to you

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

Although the presidential election every 4 years is a very good valve for dumping popular discontent.

contentment - not contentment - but they choose

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

After 2 years, it turns out that they put the wrong horse

Well, you have the same horse for 20 years, and how?

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

every 4 years a new election! And the appearance of involvement in governing the country!

You do not transfer your experience to other countries.
Democracy not only in the states, but also in Sweden, Switzerland, Luxembourg - at worst.
Any questions ?

[Dron_sk]

Quote: atalef

3.Turkey, it’s hard to realize that like turkey with tomatoes and everything is included, it can calmly bend the whole group of the RF Armed Forces in Syria without particularly straining, and how to get out of the formula

that’s exactly what just a grouping is. Which is collected in order to HELP fight with terrorists, and not with whole states to fight. And no one has any illusions that that group can repulse the entire army of Turkey or your native Israel.

[maks007]

Quote: Dikson

Judging by the photo in the article, the ass is full ... What is the example of where and who is more effective than the Turks in Idlib, was able to gouge freestanding armored vehicles and air defense systems in such a short time?

On the issue of the air defense system that was destroyed at https://topwar.ru/168467-tureckaja-armija-udarila-po-ajerodromu-k-vostoku-ot-aleppo-i-obstreljali-kurdskie-goroda.html
discussion from the participants (where the photo is Shell-C1)

... Despite the fact that the source indicates that the complex, which was in service with the Syrian air defense forces, was destroyed, it is most likely that the shots show a shell strike on the Shell-C1 on the chassis of the MAN SX45 UAE air defense forces, which are taking part in the Libyan conflict . But there, the Turi paid for it 4 UAVs ....

[DPN]

The day before, two Turkish Air Force F-16 fighters shot down two Su-24 Syrian Air Force bombers.
Where were the SAA fighters? or were these bombers superfluous.? unless of course "duck."

[donavi49]

Whose fighter jets? There was a MiG-21 (or Su-22) - but how will it help against launches of 120 on the radar at 30-40 km? They did not even see who shot at them.

The latest MiG-29s were in the sky in the photo / video 4 years ago. Most likely, they are not flying. Their maintenance and repair, as well as maintaining airworthiness, were reduced in favor of priority tasks.

Syria has nothing more. Against launches from Turkish territory along Avax (E7 circles are wound there non-stop) - there is generally nothing even in an ideal, rosy world with 100% serviceability of materiel and 100% readiness of crews. Even Khimki will be very difficult to counter.

[Konatantin 1992]

Who will punish Turkey? (I am addressing local commentators) Russia is building the Akkuyu nuclear power plant, investments in construction from the Russian Federation are 22 billion dollars)) Then the SU-57 will not buy themselves, they showed interest in it, in the SU-35 S too (if memory does not change). So our army will definitely not be at war with the Turks ... The Sadiks can't even do it, they are still warriors, and Turkey is not so weak, do not underestimate, the 2nd largest NATO army, drones, as we see, are not bad. .. I don’t want to believe that the military leadership or simply the leadership has leaked the garden, but such thoughts creep in ... What do you think about this?

[Uran53]

Such thoughts also come. Money for the Russian government seems above all

[atalef]

Quote: Uran53

Such thoughts also come. Money for the Russian government seems above all

by the way - money for the government is money for the budget and, accordingly, the people.
Or are you more comfortable with this?

[strannik1985]

by the way

It is good when an Israeli citizen (am I not mistaken?) Is so happy for the Russian budget

[atalef]

Quote: strannik1985

by the way

It is good when an Israeli citizen (am I not mistaken?) Is so happy for the Russian budget

Well, up to your budget, I’m like a drum.
And naivety is sometimes surprising.

[strannik1985]

And naivety is sometimes surprising.

But me, given that you are a citizen of a country supporting militants, no.
Of course, after a possible victory in Syria, the "blacks" will immediately beat their swords into plowshares and engage in peaceful labor, there will be no surge in terrorist activity in Central and Central Asia, catching and killing terrorists in the TFR is cheaper than in Syria.

[atalef]

Quote: strannik1985

But me, given that you are a citizen of a country supporting militants, no.

I am, in fact, a citizen of Russia, including. but it doesn’t matter.
All of you support the militants - including Erdogan's friend.
The only difference is between us and Erdogan. that we wet the Iranians. and Erdogan all in a row.

Quote: strannik1985

Of course, after a possible victory in Syria, the "blacks" will immediately beat their swords into plowshares and engage in peaceful labor.

They are all black there. such an impression. that they were once white

Quote: strannik1985

there will be no surge in territorial activity in Central and Central Asia; it’s cheaper to catch and kill terrorists in the TFR than in Syria.

Well, yes. have heard. little blood and on foreign territory.
by the way

All armed formations of the "Islamic State" in Syria have been destroyed, said the chief of the Russian General Staff Valery Gerasimov. Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu reported on the complete victory over ISIS to President Vladimir Putin, who announced his participation in the elections on Wednesday.

"All ISIS gangs in Syria have been destroyed, and the territory itself has been liberated. Russian Defense Minister, General of the Army Sergei Shoigu reported this to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, President Vladimir Putin an hour ago," said the chief of the General Staff.

2017 year. my friend

[strannik1985]

The only difference between us

No, our allies support Assad (even against their will, like Erdogan), and yours do not. Therefore, I am not at all surprised by your joy for the Russian budget

Well yes

Namely, an instructive example of the USSR’s weakness in international politics, until 1939 the Union could not influence Germany in any way, from which it turned out on June 22, 1941.
Do you seriously think that for Russia it is better to wait until blacks have their own state?

[atalef]

Quote: strannik1985

No, our allies support Assad (even against their will, like Erdogan),

Erdogan supports
What does he support and to whom?

Quote: strannik1985

and your not.

and why the hell to us Assad?

Quote: strannik1985

Therefore, I am not at all surprised by your joy for the Russian budget

you probably read me bad

Quote: atalef

Well, up to your budget, I’m like a drum.

you generally live in parallel reality 7
then Erdogan for Assad. then I'm for the budget.
strange you.

Quote: strannik1985

Namely, an instructive example of the USSR’s weakness in international politics, until 1939 the Union could not influence Germany in any way

of course . concluded an agreement with the Nazis on trade cooperation. divided Poland ..

Quote: strannik1985

what came out of June 22, 1941.

start with an ice battle or a Tataromongol yoke.
Examples can be dug up ....

Quote: strannik1985

Do you seriously think that for Russia it is better to wait until blacks have their own state?

you probably do not understand? have you been to the Middle East /? or just in Egypt, the flippers in the pool were wet.
I’ve been living here for 30 years.
Here all are black and always have been.
there are dozens of these black states.
and?

[strannik1985]

Erdogan supports

What about Compared to what was exactly what supports.

and why the hell to us Assad?

You may not, but Russia needs. Therefore, your position makes me happy

of course

It's not me strange, but you don’t know the story or pretend you don’t know. See the course of the Moscow talks in the summer of 1939.

Examples can dig

Why so far? The Munich Agreement of 1938. The position of the USSR regarding Czechoslovakia was simply ignored.

you probably do not understand?

Of course, of course, there is no difference between Assad and black, think Bosko right and left chopped

[Fishery]

Well, many have passports of the Russian Federation that so surprises you?)

[strannik1985]

well, many

Not surprising, but happy
Aren't you? In all seriousness, he claims that it’s cheaper for the Russian budget to catch militants at home than in Syria

[Fishery]

)) a couple and I have, different including Russia

[strannik1985]

You are not focusing on that.

[Uran53]

This is just the money of the budget, in Russia it is the personal money-box of "our" government. Which sometimes condescends to his slaves

[Uran53]

But the Turkish Air Force has no time to listen about guarantees; they need to fulfill orders

[Mentat]

Quote: Dikson

huntsman, do you think that the Kaliningrad Iskander has more chances to escape from a UAV with a missile than a Syrian tank?

You write frankly stupid comments, even defiantly. Their level is designed for the same audience, which is conducted on the text of Navalny and Co. Recognizable style, as well as likely origin. The same primitive, filled with pseudo-emotional outpourings.

If you look soberly at the facts, a layered air defense system has been created in Kaliningrad, and Russian air defense is by far the best in the world in all respects.

Judging by the Russian Federation, wait, it’s not long left, judging by the armored fleet in Europe .. And we’ll be, as at 41, with a bayonet and a grenade ... because there will be no nuclear answer - scarecrows are for children ..

Rather, these are your letters for children with complexes and the idea of ​​"protest", but where did you see them on this resource?
In the military doctrine of the Russian Federation, everything is indicated very clearly.
Even in the conventional war on European theater of war, NATO has no chance against Russia, as well as the desire of European countries to participate in this again.

but against the enemy weighed down with electronics and weapons, in fact, we only have a reliable Kalashnikov ..

What other nonsense will you carry, is there a lower bar that you have not yet crossed?

[voyaka uh]

"and the Russian air defense is by far the best in the world in all respects" ///
---
Why doesn’t she work in Syria?
There are armor, and Buki, and S-125, and S-200, and S-300. The whole train. And at great depths
in the Damascus area. But - a continuous sieve.

[Prometey]

Quote: voyaka uh

Why doesn’t she work in Syria?
There are armor, and Buki, and S-125, and S-200, and S-300. The whole train. And at great depths
in the Damascus area. But - a continuous sieve.

Because, probably, they are not intended to deal with military aircraft.
The S-300 is the best air defense in the world, though it hasn’t shot down a single aircraft in military conditions.
"Patriot" is bullshit. But at the same time, the planes were shot down on alert.

[Dron_sk]

and when was the last time military planes of enemy countries flew in the Damascus region within a 200-300km radius?

[voyaka uh]

Fly regularly enough. Right over Damascus.

[Fishery]

and she's shy))))

[Dikson]

Dear Mentat .. from what fright do you rank me in the herd of Navalny? Origin, texting .. are you a political officer in the past or what? This is for urapatriots here, out of the blue, pseudo-emotions go off scale from article to article, from commentary to commentary .. Have I not been written to the Zionists yet? What protests have I called for ever on this resource, do not remind me? Do you think that in our country and especially in the army there are no problems with radio electronics, with microelectronics? And in the Navy, everything is fine with us in aviation .. Yes, for God's sake, consider this your right and opinion .. And it differs from mine .. And so we will defeat everyone in general .. Do not be so kind as to slow down!

[Mentat]

Quote: atalef

Just think about it - take away the Iranians. There will be nothing left for Hezbollah and the VKS and Assad for a week, and who will carry him forward from his palace? His own Syrians.

Who are you treating here?
Don't you think that your attempts at “influence” are too naive?

[atalef]

Quote: Mentat

Who are you treating here?

couch generals

Quote: Mentat

Don't you think that your attempts at “influence” are too naive?

influence? why the hell am I supposed to influence someone else?

[Mentat]

Quote: voyaka uh

"and the Russian air defense is by far the best in the world in all respects" ///
---
Why doesn’t she work in Syria?
There are armor, and Buki, and S-125, and S-200, and S-300. The whole train. And at great depths
in the Damascus area. But - a continuous sieve.

Will you ask this question again a hundred times? Or is it important for you to shove it while the emotional background, in your opinion, is “hot” in the situation in Idlib?

You are constantly on the forum, read the answer to such questions probably dozens of times.
Well, come on again, since you have a thin memory: Russian air defense works great with world-class performance that is second to none. These are the facts. No other air defense system has shown such effectiveness including against small complex goals like defending a Hmeimim base. "All Echelon" is engaged in the protection of the Russian Armed Forces in Syria. We are not at war with Turkey and strictly follow all agreements. However, the result of the penalties is also effective and is unexpected for those who do not understand.

As for the use of Syrian air defense, here on the forum we can only speculate. If fortunetelling on the coffee grounds is your profile, you can do it. Let's look at the final result of all the maneuvers in the complex: both power and political.
I can assume that the situation is actually not in favor of Turkey. Running from topic to topic and yelling stupidly with bulging eyes, as individual users of the forum do, is at least childish.

[Prometey]

Quote: Mentat

let’s do it again, since you have a thin memory: Russian air defense works perfectly with world-class efficiency that is second to none. These are the facts. No other air defense system has shown such effectiveness including against small complex goals like defending a Hmeimim base. "All Echelon" is engaged in the protection of the Russian Armed Forces in Syria.

Well, who attacked this base, except for single drones? Modern combat aircraft do not see the S-300 and cannot do anything with them.

[Mentat]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Mentat

Who are you treating here?

couch generals

With your extremely truthful and thoughtful comments, you just lower yourself to this level.

Quote: Mentat

Don't you think that your attempts at “influence” are too naive?

influence? why the hell am I supposed to influence someone else?

Here I am about the same. The result is zero.

[megadeth]

More than sure, our pilots piloted ... Russia in general, doesn’t even guarantee anything, or is it a war now, if the enemy, in the trench, is killing your ally, you must do everything to stop return fire and if you wound the enemy, give him opportunity for evacuation .....?
“Iran has officially announced its readiness to take revenge if Turkey does not stop striking Iranian targets in Syria. PS Tehran is not Damascus, it will not tolerate and listen to Moscow, ”the Military Observer community reports to Telegram.
Read more at: http://avia.pro/news/iran-postavil-turcii-ultimatum-po-sirii-prigroziv-moshchnym-raketnym-udarom#comment-114796

[Livonetc]

Quote: Military Commissar77

In his dreams, the comrade Livonetc took Sarakib. Propaganda propaganda, but so rude no need to lie

Sarakib taken in real life.
I sleep soundly without dreams.
And you, the Commissar, what dreams do you see?

[Prometey]

Nevertheless, the Turks are respected. They said that when needed, they would use force in the territory of another country, they did. And they sneezed at all the cries in the back. Although the cries immediately go to a whisper when the Turk turns around. Well, Russia - chew snot further from 2014 and learn politics from big uncles.

[Livonetc]

Quote: Prometey

Nevertheless, the Turks are respected. They said that when needed, they would use force in the territory of another country, they did. And they sneezed at all the cries in the back. Although the cries immediately go to a whisper when the Turk turns around. Well, Russia - chew snot further from 2014 and learn politics from big uncles.

Russia paid in Syria and Amers and Turks.
The Turks still of course twitch, but they are destined to crawl.
You need to open your eyes.
And Crimea and Donbass and Abkhazia and Transnistria and South Ossetia.
Now Syria is leaving the vile freaks.

[Prometey]

Quote: Livonetc

Russia paid in Syria and Amers and Turks.

Well, if you feel so relaxed - so be it.

[Livonetc]

See the events of several years in retrospect.
Look where there were Amer feeding ups at the beginning of the general cleaning in Syria.

[protoss]

if apricots want to turn everything in the opposite direction, who will stop them?
it’s we puffing, they don’t even strain.
so they need it so much.

[Livonetc]

Alexander.
I do not agree with you.
We are not just fumbling.
We do what should and what is possible.
That is, what is needed and what is really capable.
We conduct a rational policy.
The result is visible.
But apricots, for example, leave Afghanistan after spending more than two trillion dollars.
What did they achieve there?

[protoss]

in Afghanistan they stepped on our rake.
and a trillion tanks settled in the right pockets.
in Syria, if they set the task of bringing the Assad forward with their feet, they would do so. but they didn’t even try.

[Livonetc]

The Frenchman, German and Russian are captured in Africa by the natives. Locals require foreigners to write a book about elephants. Whoever writes better will be released.
The Frenchman writes about the relationship of elephants. The German writes instructions for using elephants, and the Russian writes "The African elephant is the best friend of the Soviet elephant."
Russian has the peculiarity of understanding and accepting the mental state of other nations.
That’s all the difference.

Now Russia is restoring the attractiveness that was lost after the USSR.
But it was like this:
"The UN has announced the Year of the Elephant. Various countries publish books on the" elephant "theme.
The Germans published the first part of the first half-volume of the five-volume “Brief Introduction to Elephant Studies”.
Americans - pocket-sized book "What the average American needs to know about elephants."
The British - the monograph "Elephants in British India."
Israelis - article “Elephants and the Jewish Question”.
The Italians - essay "Elephants and music."
The French - the booklet "Love among elephants."
A three-volume edition was published in the Soviet Union: the first volume was entitled “Russia - the homeland of elephants”, the second volume - “Classics of Marxism-Leninism on elephants”, the third volume - “Elephants in the light of the decisions of the Twenty-Sixth Congress of the CPSU” (version - “The role of elephants in the national liberation movement ”).
Following the Soviet three-volume, a four-volume in Bulgaria came out. The first three volumes were a reprint of the Soviet edition, and the fourth volume was called: “The Bulgarian elephant is the best friend of the Soviet elephant”

[pexotinec]

All violate everything, put everything on everything, but we, as saints, observe everything. Already sick of this peacefulness, so they wipe our feet about us

[Morgan]

"RF does not guarantee" - but what will happen? Will stop buying tomatoes and close direct flights to Turkey - only through Minsk!

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Something reminds: "TASS warns ...". In general, the Turks have become very insolent. And in vain, oh, in vain they got involved in this adventure: they will lose again !!!

[Mentat]

Quote: Mentat

Quote: atalef

Quote: Mentat

Who are you treating here?

couch generals

With your extremely truthful and thoughtful comments, you just lower yourself to this level.

Quote: Mentat

Don't you think that your attempts at “influence” are too naive?

influence? why the hell am I supposed to influence someone else?

Here I am about the same. The result is zero.

Worried how, minuses set)
Do not agree that the result is zero?

And what could he be? When a person scribbles cleverly frank nonsense, the answer can only be a shrug. You there beguiled different countries with Russian society. The mentality is somewhat different, to say the least. All these clumsy attempts to influence nothing but a condescending attitude can cause.

[Dron_sk]

In our super modern park today in Krasnodar walked near our equally modern stadium, the weather is gorgeous, the mood is excellent for everyone. And right now I thought, really, if some tricksters, God forbid, had begun to do the same thing here as in Syria, then the leadership of the willpower wouldn’t have found the adder, where all this climbs and flies from, immediately and without hesitation. ..

[simara]

1. Successful militant attacks only where I act

[Vladimirmarakin369830]

People. You don’t see. Putin was scared. Turks beat Syrians as boys of minors, and Russia stands aside.

[kriwo.alek]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Orel

For guarantees, only God must be contacted)

Strange and ambiguous.
Russia does not guarantee.
And what did you guarantee earlier?
Then who decided. that the expression - does not guarantee - implies - FORBIDDEN?

Read does not guarantee, then it allows.