Refugee situation: Greece sent warships to the Turkish border


After Turkey announced the opening of the border with the European Union for refugees from Syria, thousands of people rushed there. According to the United Nations International Organization for Migration (IOM), approximately 13 refugees, including those with young children, spent the night outdoors on the Turkish-Greek border. Hundreds of refugees are trying to move to the EU by sea.


Such information appeared in the German edition of Zeit Online.

IOM representative Lado Gvilava said that migrants arrived from Istanbul by bus, taxi and car. Most refugees are men, but many families with small children. IOM organized the distribution of products. People spent the night in the open air in the cold wind at a temperature near zero.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen expressed concern about this situation.

Turkey believes that they cannot and should not care for millions of refugees from Syria.



One of the German readers of Zeit Online wrote in a comment on the article his thoughts on this subject:

Turkey is a free country, anyone can leave it, there is no iron curtain. It is not Turkey’s task to protect the borders of Greece, Turkey’s task is to protect the Turkish borders. This is a small but subtle difference.


The European Union is already taking measures to curb the flow of migrants. In particular, dozens of warships and boats were sent to Athens’s maritime border with Turkey, and about a dozen helicopters were sent to land. The armed forces of Greece are on alert. Earlier in Greece, they refused to support the NATO declaration on supporting Turkey’s actions in Syrian Idlib.
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  1. Ratmir_Ryazan 1 March 2020 15: 38 New
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    Greece and Europe should not send ships to the borders of Turkey, and Turkey should not pay billions of euros for refugees, this will not change anything, but to help Syria return to peaceful life !!! Then the Syrians, not all but in some part perhaps the greatest return to Syria.

    Syria was now very welcome and humanitarian aid in food water and in the form of agricultural machinery, seeds and livestock and some amount of money to boost production and create jobs.

    In addition, Europe could put pressure on the United States to leave Syria and stop stealing Syrian oil.

    Otherwise, refugees will simply fill Europe and not only from Syria, but also from Libya and from Afghanistan and from Iran and other countries of Africa and the Middle East.

    The terrorist infection, no matter how it calls itself, sponsored by Turkey and the United States will spread across the continent, provoke war, and ordinary civilians will flee to Europe from them.
    1. Sarmat Sanych 1 March 2020 15: 46 New
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      "Greece has blocked a statement by NATO countries on Turkey’s support."
      “Turkey does not have the right to demand the use of Article 5 of the NATO charter in Syria” - Luxembourg Foreign Minister. Turkey: Support us! NATO: Hold on! Have a good mood. The Ottomans got it all so much, almost like hhhly, that they all do not care. IMHO, Recep utilizes in the SAR those military men whom for some reason he wants to arrest, but cannot. Assad will help Erdogan get rid of the Idlib ballast, in Moscow the sultan will be allowed to save face and withdraw troops without loss.
      By the way, if Syria and Turkey apply the formula of the Adan agreements, Turkey will immediately recognize Assad and withdraw troops from the territory of the SAR, or at least into the 5 km zone stipulated by the agreements.
    2. Kleber 1 March 2020 15: 56 New
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Then the Syrians, not all but in some part perhaps the greatest return to Syria.


      Syrians for the most part have long been in the EU. And they will not change peaceful Germany, where they do not receive subsidies for work, for Syria devastated by the war, where they have to plow for a piece of bread.
      1. Charik 1 March 2020 16: 28 New
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        it is better to plow in the homeland than to bombard in a foreign land
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke 1 March 2020 17: 01 New
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          Quote: Charik
          it is better to plow in the homeland than to bombard in a foreign land

          + To you.
          In the photo are people. who could well fight for their land,
          but they don’t want to.
          1. Zoldat_A 1 March 2020 19: 46 New
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            Quote: Charik
            it is better to plow in the homeland than to bombard in a foreign land

            Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
            In the photo are people. who could well fight for their land,
            but they don’t want to.

            It's like someone ...
            Somehow, those who are breaking into Europe do not mind hunting to plow either at home or in a foreign land. In a foreign land, besides, they feed, the little white women, clean, again, go ... What the bourgeois do not give - you can take it yourself. In a German prison, their life is sweeter than at home in the wild. What should they do at home?

            All my life I was sharply negative towards those who "where the pope is warm, there is the homeland." And here in Europe there are a dime a dozen. Yes, and we have the "good" of such a "non-brotherly" pushed up ...
            I have nothing against the "come in large numbers" who came to live and work normally. They work for themselves. But somehow, a few years ago, I was driving my father in an ambulance, so the doctor from the refugees told me this while I was driving ... If it weren’t for my unconscious father, I would have thrown her out of the ambulance .. Moreover, she is a "refugee" for some reason from the Lviv region.

            I’ve been saying for a long time - to the barges of these European "refugees" and to the organizer of the "Arab Spring" on a visit - to Florida.
            There is only one question - “the most democratic democrats” will they be drowned in the sea or executed on the shore?
            1. abrakadabre 1 March 2020 21: 17 New
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              There is only one question - “the most democratic democrats” will they be drowned in the sea or executed on the shore?
              In the sea of ​​course. The beaches then also need to be removed from the corpses. And the sea, it is bottomless in this sense.
    3. ancestors from Don 1 March 2020 16: 00 New
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      But it’s not clear why they are rushing from impoverished Turkey to impoverished Greece, would they go to Germany, maybe this is due to lack of schooling?
      1. Kleber 1 March 2020 16: 05 New
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        Greece transit to Germany.
      2. svp67 1 March 2020 16: 07 New
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        Quote: Ancestors from the Don
        But it’s not clear why they are rushing from impoverished Turkey to impoverished Greece, would they go to Germany, maybe this is due to lack of schooling?

        Excuse me, but at the expense of school education ... But what Turkey and Germany have a common border? How does a refugee walk or swim from Turkish territory to German territory? Maybe still through the territory of Greece and Bulgaria?
        This is their normal way of emigrating to prosperous countries ...
        1. abrakadabre 1 March 2020 21: 21 New
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          How does a refugee walk or swim from Turkish territory to German territory?
          There are quite fantastic ways: swim around Europe, dig a tunnel to Germany ... Again, a ballistic trajectory. Although ... this is already bypassing Germany, immediately to the guri.
          Take refuge in the embassy, ​​as the founder of Wikileaks.

          By the way, if anything, From Turkey to Germany via Bulgaria is somehow closer and straighter than a hook through Greece. But will the Turkish Sultan refuse himself to put such an unhappy pig to his beloved Greeks?

          PS This is a joke, if that.
          1. svp67 1 March 2020 22: 15 New
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            But will the Turkish Sultan refuse himself to put such an unhappy pig to his beloved Greeks?

            Wait, they will also try to swim through Italy. In any case, those that Turkey is transferring to Libya, such attempts are already being carried out
      3. Black_Vatnik 1 March 2020 16: 14 New
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        Your geography teacher should be ashamed now.
        1. ancestors from Don 1 March 2020 18: 27 New
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          Do not fool around, the Greeks are not going to detain them, a chain reaction will take place with the EU borders being blocked
      4. Yuri Kemendzidis 1 March 2020 16: 32 New
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        There seems to be a lack of schooling for some, but not for them. Namely in geography. Do you think they are going to go to Germany?
    4. Charik 1 March 2020 16: 23 New
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      HOW AS THERE ARE ONE SYRIANS IN THIS MILLION
      1. novobranets 1 March 2020 16: 59 New
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        Quote: Charik
        AS THERE ARE ONE OF THE SYRIANS

        According to some reports, there are about 30% of Syrians, or even less. Women with children are noticeably fewer than healthy, well-fed middle-aged foreheads. Victims of the starving Volga region, damn it.
        Absolutely all Syrian translators - immigrants from Syria itself working in Bulgaria - say that 80 percent, or even 90, of them are not Syrians.
        https://svpressa.ru/blogs/article/132383/
    5. cniza 1 March 2020 16: 30 New
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Greece and Europe should not send ships to the borders of Turkey, and Turkey should not pay billions of euros for refugees, this will not change anything, but to help Syria return to peaceful life !!! Then the Syrians, not all but in some part perhaps the greatest return to Syria.


      Here at point blank range they do not want to understand this, why? because the master of Europe needs war, chaos is needed ...
      1. rocket757 1 March 2020 16: 37 New
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        They don’t “understand / understand / will understand” and everyone will be blamed for everything, but not their loved ones!
        Nothing new, it always has been and will be.
        1. cniza 1 March 2020 17: 09 New
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          Not anyone, but they will blame Russia, but we are deep and far away ...
          1. rocket757 1 March 2020 18: 02 New
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            Therefore, he did not specify who they would try to blame .... it’s good that ours began to send them completely, to where they should.
            Admonishing foreign ones is useless, it remains to look from the side.
    6. ltc35 1 March 2020 16: 54 New
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      You plus a huge! You are an idealist. But while in Syria there are a lot of players with their own interests - there can be no peace. It is a fact.
    7. Sky strike fighter 1 March 2020 16: 57 New
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      Turkey launched a full-scale invasion as part of the Spring Shield operation. The Syrian-Turkish war began.
      The Turkish military shot down two aircraft of the Syrian Air Force in the province of Idlib. On Sunday, March 1, reports the Syrian state agency SANA.

      According to the agency, the pilots managed to eject, they were not injured. At the same time, the model of the destroyed aircraft is not specified. The interception of the Syrian aircraft was carried out by the Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter jets.

      Earlier, the Turkish Ministry of Defense issued the following statement: “The ATS air defense system that shot down our UAVs, as well as two other ATS air defense systems, were destroyed. Also, two Su-24 aircraft of the SAR Air Force, which attacked our aircraft, were shot down. ”

      http://in24.org/world/38793
      1. rocket757 1 March 2020 18: 06 New
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        Many, many will be lies, from all sides.
        To understand this muti ??? Maybe a little later.
      2. Charik 2 March 2020 07: 34 New
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        In delirium, as it is a Su24-Turyachia plane was attacked with bombs or bunks, obviously not the P-60
    8. abrakadabre 1 March 2020 21: 12 New
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      The terrorist infection, no matter how it calls itself, sponsored by Turkey and the United States will spread across the continent, provoke war, and ordinary civilians will flee to Europe from them.
      And why, for example, Afghans flee to Europe, on the same wave and through Turkey? And they do not flee to China, which is much closer from that Afghanistan. Just through the tip of Pakistan and along the highway to Kashgar ... Do you think mountain passes? Nooo ... Because, unlike Europe, the Chinese will solve the issue of unauthorized border crossings quickly and radically.
      Moreover, the bulk are not refugees in the truest sense, when in families, with children / women / old people ... The bulk are men of working age and are pretty well dressed. If they are refugees from the war, then what did all relatives leave behind the bullets, robberies and bullying of scumbags? .. Where is the comparable mass of women and children?
      So the very same Chinese would quickly shave them off in the “control track”.
      And all these migrants are well aware of this. Because they climb only to Europe.
  2. Olgovich 1 March 2020 15: 41 New
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    One of the German readers of Zeit Online wrote in a comment on the article his thoughts on this subject:

    Turkey is a free country, anyone can leave it, there is no iron curtain. It is not Turkey’s task to protect the borders of Greece, Turkey’s task is to protect the Turkish borders.

    What a "smart" German: and the task of Greece is to protect the GREEK borders, i.e. DO NOT LAUNCH rabies from Turkey.

    PS let him take to Vaterland, wise guy "
    1. Kleber 1 March 2020 15: 47 New
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      What a "smart" German: and the task of Greece is to protect the GREEK borders, i.e. DO NOT START TURKEY REFUGEES


      Yes, and filtering these refugees does not interfere. It is under the guise of refugees that it is easier for terrorists to cross the border.
      1. 210ox 1 March 2020 16: 00 New
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        But for me it’s like a drum. What is there in the EU .. Eat that brewed. And yes, today is Sunday forgiven. What would everyone and everything? No, it won’t work out. The differences are too big on the issue of war and peace.
        1. Romario_Argo 1 March 2020 16: 13 New
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          And yes, today is Sunday forgiven

          why not just send refugees on ferries to Syria (?)
          coordinate this with Syria and there are no problems (!)
          apparently the Turks artificially create tension
          if it’s expensive for the Turks - let them ask us - we will deport everyone ourselves (!)
          1. Mitroha 1 March 2020 16: 35 New
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            Turks are not profitable to solve the problem of refugees. There is money from the EU for “deterring” refugees and leverage for influencing the EU and free labor, including for participating in hostilities.
            Erdogan immediately began to threaten EU refugees.
            And in the European Union, instead of poking Erdogan into the reasons for the appearance of refugees, they started the old song "Putin and Assad are to blame, attack them"
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        1. abrakadabre 1 March 2020 21: 28 New
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          Poland is also a member of the EU, but has not allowed anyone in and is not feeding anyone.
          The Baltic states even let go and fed them. So they themselves fled from hospitality.
  3. Sergei 23 1 March 2020 15: 42 New
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    Turkey is advancing on three fronts !!!!
    1. Kleber 1 March 2020 15: 58 New
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      War on two fronts often leads to defeat on both. War on three - guaranteed defeat.
      1. Charik 1 March 2020 16: 35 New
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        USSR on how many fronts fought in WW2
        1. rocket757 1 March 2020 17: 38 New
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          One united adversary fought against the USSR. The length of the front line was very large, therefore, according to geographical signs, a separation was carried out along the fronts! But all this was one western direction.
        2. Doliva63 1 March 2020 22: 43 New
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          USSR on how many fronts fought in WW2

          The USSR fought, not "fought," if that. It seems that the youth of Euro-value is getting closer?
          1. Charik 2 March 2020 07: 20 New
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            the grandmother said for two, Country-fought, Union-fought, where the youth saw what Euro-values, Eureka or what?
      2. sbuskets 1 March 2020 17: 31 New
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        Turkey will have more fronts, two more
  4. businessv 1 March 2020 15: 49 New
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    Earlier in Greece, they refused to support the NATO declaration on supporting Turkey’s actions in Syrian Idlib.
    Erosgan not washing, so skating reaches its goals. Greece refused to support the declaration, so now it spends more money on putting its armed forces on alert. Not the first and, unfortunately, not the last time, the Turkish leader uses blackmail, but if he had fulfilled his obligations that they had signed in Astana, it would have been easier for everyone. There would be less Barmaleevs, there is more order in the world and more peaceful citizens!
  5. knn54 1 March 2020 15: 49 New
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    The Sultan has an "additional" post-manager of the emigration flow.
  6. Valery Valery 1 March 2020 15: 50 New
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    Turkey has a very interesting position! In order to put pressure on Russia, the Turks spoil Europe ....
    1. Kleber 1 March 2020 16: 00 New
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      Quote: Valery Valery
      In order to put pressure on Russia, the Turks spoil Europe ....


      Europe will not forget Turkey. Revenge will be iron.
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      Quote: Valery Valery
      In order to put pressure on Russia, the Turks spoil Europe ....

      This is called multi-stroke. Turkey presses on Europe, counting on Europe pushing Russia
  7. svp67 1 March 2020 15: 53 New
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    One of the German readers of Zeit Online wrote in a comment on the article his thoughts on this subject:

    Turkey is a free country, anyone can leave it, there is no iron curtain. It is not Turkey’s task to protect the borders of Greece, Turkey’s task is to protect the Turkish borders. This is a small but subtle difference.
    But nothing that Turkey receives money from the EU for this? That is, to receive money - YES, but to fulfill their obligations - NO ... This is definitely a small but significant difference
  8. Strashila 1 March 2020 15: 56 New
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    One thing is clear, Turkey, under the guise of refugees, is trying to smuggle terrorist families into the EU, as it has been since Yugoslavia.
    1. Kleber 1 March 2020 16: 13 New
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      Which is happening.
  9. Ros 56 1 March 2020 15: 59 New
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    Hello Merkel from Eric Ottoman, again their “men” will have to pull on women's skirts and high heels in protest against the rape of German women. Madhouse.
  10. askort154 1 March 2020 16: 06 New
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    That will be until March 5th. Erdogan's open and arrogant blackmail. Europe is not ready for it again. Scapegoats will again become Greece, Italy. If Merkel with Macron
    in negotiations, they will not side with Putin and immediately put Erdogan in the “corner”, then he will begin to behave even more impudently in Syria.
  11. TAMBU 1 March 2020 16: 15 New
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    Turkey shot down 2 Syrian fighters


    In Idlib, the Turkish military shot down two Syrian Air Force aircraft. This was reported by SANAT.

    According to media reports, all the pilots managed to eject.

    The command of the Syrian army today announced the closure of airspace over the province of Idlib. The statement clarified that any aircraft that are noticed in this region will be perceived as hostile and shot down.

    According to the news agency, Assad’s army shot down a Turkish drone.

    Recall that Syria closed the airspace over Idlib.
  12. rocket757 1 March 2020 16: 18 New
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    "Sultan" enjoys what he has! Well done, nothing more to say.
    Let's see how events run on, repent.
    It will be very dumb if there is an epidemic too! Then everything will fly to the Tatars! We will have to remember how at the beginning of the last faith the "Spaniard" dominated the geyrop.
  13. Tank jacket 1 March 2020 16: 19 New
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    Erdogan is so useful and .... He does everything to create the Turkish subject of the Russian Federation. Let's not bother him. repeat And how he punishes the "partners" of the Europeans ... They will soon have no time for military exercises at our borders ...
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      The most “cool” thing is that in the geyrop itself there are already serious, responsible, high-ranking officials who are already directly warning that there is not one “black swan” on the way up, but a whole flock!
      Let's put it simply, there, and much more, a flock of server-side fur animals crept up!
      1. Tank jacket 1 March 2020 16: 57 New
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        Greetings, I can’t see your name on the smartphone hi , the world froze in anticipation of the collapse into currency zones and is preparing for a new Yalta conference ...
        1. rocket757 1 March 2020 17: 29 New
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          Hi soldier
          I also click on the mobile, understandably.
          I listened to Sergienko (Eurozone, on Vesti FM), consider the latest info straight from there!
          I was interested / surprised by the facts described by him that some of our compatriots, former or just living in Germany, actually sharpened their skis back ... especially those who have a house / apartment wherever near Ryazan !!!
          I just want to ask my neighbors, Germans, how are they doing with their relatives who were still there (they still haven’t moved here, to us) !!! We will see. This will be a real indicator of how they are doing there. It’s not for nothing that they bought a plot last year, how the construction will go, then everything will be clear.
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    Do you want everything to calm down, to withdraw from Syria those who were not called there, and you need to start with the hysterical Erdogan, then the USA and the Barmalei either tick themselves, or they will be allowed to fertilize there.
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    I remember one guy from my city from the Voronezh region — it was 96-98 — he, a Syrian, and his family lived in our city, I ask, what are you here — he fled to me from the war roofing felts in 80xx roofing felts in 90xx
  16. Klingon 1 March 2020 16: 30 New
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    Quote: Kleber
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    Then the Syrians, not all but in some part perhaps the greatest return to Syria.


    Syrians for the most part have long been in the EU. And they will not change peaceful Germany, where they do not receive subsidies for work, for Syria devastated by the war, where they have to plow for a piece of bread.

    you are 100% right. an Arabian, 22 years old, studied with my wife in language courses. refugee. he says * I get more allowance here than my father receives a pension in Syria * this dude naturally does not work. not even moonlighting. everyone is waiting for him to be offered a chic job. of course he would never return to Syria. and there are so many
  17. Yuri Kemendzidis 1 March 2020 16: 33 New
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    Alert there for a long time
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    askort154 .... Greece sent warships to the Turkish sea border

    If so, bravo to the Greeks!
  19. Gennady Fomkin 1 March 2020 17: 00 New
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    Syrians? OH WELL . With turkish passports laughing https://youtu.be/G5mlR0xlY-0?t=3 На суше, на границе Турции и Греции, собралось, по официальным оценкам, более четырех тысяч человек, которые весь день пытались прорваться через заграждения, забрасывали пограничников камнями и палками (там лес кругом), а те использовали слезоточивый газ и светошумовые гранаты. Видео со 1.52:Впрочем, пограничникам тоже прилетал слезоточивый газ, турецкого производства. laughing
  20. Retvizan 8 1 March 2020 17: 05 New
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    Erdogan bit the bit.
    Moved to a policy of blackmail and ultimatums.
    Let's see if this will bring him victory.
  21. Amateur 1 March 2020 17: 12 New
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    Quote: Charik
    USSR on how many fronts fought in WW2

    Another victim of the exam. Interestingly, this "Charik" himself will be able to name the fronts or another merdeventilator?
    1. Charik 2 March 2020 07: 42 New
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      Nope, you are mistaken, I finished school back in 96, and the fact that you know what an ehe well done is, and my mother’s grandfather with the Belarusian Front reached Lithuania or Latvia and died on the 44th, so go on throwing vents (you had it in view of) judging by your English
  22. Karaul14 1 March 2020 17: 47 New
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    Turkey is pushing Europe to throw grandmothers and help her in Syria; this is not the first time that they have been blackmailing Europe so successfully and quite successfully.
  23. Kerensky 1 March 2020 18: 03 New
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    An interesting situation ... Something similar already happened when in one country prisons were cleaned, all were unloaded onto the shore of another.
    The Turks weakly opened the valve, hoping to agree. We would like to "flood the EU", deliver to the border of the party 20.000 goals a day.
  24. wachmann 1 March 2020 19: 07 New
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    They say that there are no Syrians there: Iranians, Pakistanis and others ...
    Recep is simply hiding behind the war in Syria.
    Turkey has long been a transshipment center for immigrants from the Middle East and Central Asia. It is beneficial for the Turks to blackmail Europe with an influx of "refugees".
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    Greek Armed Forces on alert

    Greeks wash away "refugees" with water cannons. Where is the tolerance? laughing
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    Most refugees are men
  27. Doliva63 1 March 2020 22: 54 New
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    Quote: Tank jacket
    Greetings, I can’t see your name on the smartphone hi , the world froze in anticipation of the collapse into currency zones and is preparing for a new Yalta conference ...

    There will be no "Yalta conference." In fact, Gorby canceled the outcome of the Second World War, when he agreed to the unification of the two Germanys. And after the collapse of the Union, no one will remember about that conference at all. And then, the Union could "hang" the allies, but the Russian Federation can no longer. No way. It was not for nothing that Iran offered Turkey talks on Syria without the participation of the Russian Federation. Although, of course, let's see what Putin will offer on this subject. Even interesting.
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    and to land - about a dozen helicopters.
    Have the RZSO not yet pulled it up?
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    Quote: Doliva63
    Quote: Tank jacket
    Greetings, I can’t see your name on the smartphone hi , the world froze in anticipation of the collapse into currency zones and is preparing for a new Yalta conference ...

    There will be no "Yalta conference." In fact, Gorby canceled the outcome of the Second World War, when he agreed to the unification of the two Germanys. And after the collapse of the Union, no one will remember about that conference at all. And then, the Union could "hang" the allies, but the Russian Federation can no longer. No way. It was not for nothing that Iran offered Turkey talks on Syria without the participation of the Russian Federation. Although, of course, let's see what Putin will offer on this subject. Even interesting.

    Arabs are a strong nation.
    Prolific and aggressive.
    In almost all of their conquered places, they remained forever.
    By fully assimilating the conquered population.
    Completely destroying their faith, culture, ethnic features of appearance.
    In almost all places.
    Except Persia.
    The Persians preserved their culture. The current culture and history of Iran is not Arab.
    The Persians retained their ethnogenesis. Unlike all others, they did not dissolve or even mix with the Arabs.
    Persian appearance is very different from the appearance of the Arab.
    Outwardly, the Persians are more like Europeans.
    Subtle and regular features. A lot of blond and red.
    They do not flow Arab, but Aryan blood.
    And it is noticeable.
    The Persians partially retained their faith.
    Arabs have not been able to completely destroy Zoroastrianism.
    Nevertheless, having accepted Islam forcibly imposed on them, the Persians accepted it not in the form in which the Arabs profess it.
    Arabs are mostly Sunnis and in small numbers are Druze.
    Persians are Shiites. These are they "friends" laughing
    1. atalef 2 March 2020 15: 59 New
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      In almost all of their conquered places, they remained forever.
      By fully assimilating the conquered population.
      Completely destroying their faith, culture, ethnic features of appearance.

      and where did they capture?
      You probably confuse the Arab and Islamic.
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      In almost all places.
      Except Persia.

      did they capture Persia? Or Turkey? Or Tajikistan, Uzbekistan. Kazakhstan Azerbaijan Afghanistan. Somalia. part of india - continue?
      what a fairy tale 7
      the Chinese (Uyghurs) they also remade? list to continue?


      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      The Persians preserved their culture. The current culture and history of Iran is not Arab.

      And where is she Arab, except for the Arabs? She is also far from Arab in Egypt.
      And among the nations I have listed all the more
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      The Persians retained their ethnogenesis. Unlike all others, they did not dissolve or even mix with the Arabs.

      With the Arabs mixed minuscule generally.
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Outwardly, the Persians are more like Europeans.
      Subtle and regular features. A lot of blond and red.

      and Somalis are blacks. and the Uyghurs are against the Chinese. and the Indian Muslims are against the Indians, and the Russian Muslims are at the Russians (not all of course /) but there is a place to be.

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      The Persians partially retained their faith.

      When you speak in part, give examples
      or can lead you
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      From all the many Zoroastrian communities of Iran that existed in the early Islamic time, by the XIV century. only communities remained in the remains of Yazd and Kerman. For more than a millennium, Zoroastrians in Iran have been discriminated against; massacres and forced conversion to Islam were not uncommon.

      the approximate number of adherents of Zoroastrianism in the world is less than 100 thousand people, about 70 thousand of which are in India, in Iran less than 10 thousand [

      what was saved there? wink
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Arabs have not been able to completely destroy Zoroastrianism.

      Of course . it was destroyed by the Persians
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Nevertheless, having accepted Islam forcibly imposed on them, the Persians accepted it not in the form in which the Arabs profess it.

      well yes - they are heretics Shiites
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      Arabs - in most Sunnis and in a small amount - Druze

      you generally find out who the Druze are.
      Tomorrow I will tell Nasir and Waked at work that they are Sunnis - we will neigh together

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      Persians - Shiites

      the only unconditionally truthful preposition in the whole post.
      1. Gennady Fomkin 2 March 2020 16: 07 New
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        Arabs have not been able to completely destroy Zoroastrianism.

        Of course . it was destroyed by the Persians laughing Zoroastrianism - Iran is still there. Today, about 200 thousand followers of Zoroastrianism live in the world. Of these, according to various estimates, from 25 to 50 thousand live in Iran, which makes it the second after India laughing
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          Quote: Gennady Fomkin
          Of course . it was destroyed by the Persians Zoroastrianism - Iran is still there. Today, about 200 thousand followers of Zoroastrianism live in the world. Of these, according to various estimates, from 25 to 50 thousand live in Iran

          Well, yes they did. even 50 thousand per 80 million people.
          Can't you read?
          From all the many Zoroastrian communities of Iran that existed in the early Islamic time, by the XIV century. only communities remained in the remains of Yazd and Kerman. For more than a millennium, Zoroastrians in Iran have been discriminated against; massacres and forced conversion to Islam were not uncommon.
          1. Gennady Fomkin 2 March 2020 17: 06 New
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            Arabs - most Sunnis and few - Druze

            you generally find out who the Druze are.
            Tomorrow I will say at work to Nasir and Waked that they are Sunnis - we are neighbors together -Turks are Sunni Muslims. Iranians are Shia Muslims. - It's like dogs and cats, that is, two big differences. Druze. What the name means
            By the name of one of the founders of the current Abu Abdullah Muhammad ibn Ismail al-Darazi, an Ismaili preacher who used the most radical methods of preaching. However, the Druze themselves use the self-name "muvahhidun" ("united" or "monotheists"). Moreover, they often have a negative attitude towards ad-Darazi and consider the name “Druze” offensive. When arose in the 11th century. How many adherents - more than 3 million people. The origin of the Druze is controversial: some consider them to be the descendants of the oldest Arab tribe, others as a mixed Arab-Persian (according to other versions of the Arab-Kurdish or Arab-Aramaic) population many centuries ago who arrived on these lands. The main areas of residence Syria, Lebanon, Israel.

            Druze are considered a branch of the Ismailis. A person is considered a friend by birth, and he cannot switch to another religion. They accept the principle of “prudent concealment of faith”, while deception of the Gentiles for the interests of the community is not condemned. The highest clergymen are called “adzhavid” (perfect). In a conversation with Muslims, they usually position themselves as Muslims, however, in Israel they more often define teaching as an independent religion. They believe in the transmigration of souls. Druze do not have polygamy, prayer is not obligatory and can be replaced by meditation, fasting is absent, but is replaced by periods of silence (abstaining from revealing the truth to the uninitiated). Zakat (alms in favor of the poor) is not provided, but is perceived as mutual assistance. Of the holidays, Kurban Bayram (Eid al-Adha) and the day of mourning Ashura are celebrated. As in the rest of the Arab world, in the presence of a stranger, a woman must hide her face. Everything that comes from God (both good and evil) must be accepted unconditionally. And also Sufis, Asaria, Salafis, Wahhabis, Mutazilites, Husits ​​(Zeidites, Jarudites), Kharijits, Takfirits - Political murders are frequent. A number of organizations are recognized by the Russian Federation as terrorist and extremist. , Quranites, Alawites, Maturidites, Salafis are cautiously ranked as the well-known Muslim Brotherhood organization.
  30. Gennady Fomkin 2 March 2020 15: 48 New
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    Turks are Sunni Muslims. Iranians are Shia Muslims. - It's like dogs and cats, that is, two big differences.
    Iranians are more artistic and fun. Turks are more prim and helpful.
    Iranians lie easily and willingly. And the Turks, too.
    Iranians of nature are artistically sophisticated and scientifically advanced. Turks are more adventurous and brave.
    Turks love sweets. Iranians love sour.
    In the old days, Iranians shaved half their heads (in front). And the Turks almost the whole head.
    Iranians (actually Persians) do not like Arabs. And the Turks do not like Arabs. But the Persians do not like them anymore - this is a historical and cultural complex.
    Both Turks and Iranians drink alcohol. But the Turks are now larger - because the state regime does not prohibit them from doing this. Iranians drink only at home.
    Both Iranians and Turks are “family”, patriarchal peoples. But the Iranians are softer, and some even joke that Iran is the country of the victorious matriarchy :)
    And those and other brakes are not functional. - This is your East! The case is subtle.
    Iranian flower is a rose. Turkish - Tulip.
    Peas and bent cucumber are national vegetables of both of them (according to the ornaments on the blanket).