BDK "Orsk" Black Sea Fleet proceeded through the straits to the Mediterranean Sea

BDK "Orsk" Black Sea Fleet proceeded through the straits to the Mediterranean Sea

Against the backdrop of the aggravation of the situation in the Syrian province of Idlib, following two Russian frigates, on Friday traveling to the Mediterranean Sea, the Black Sea straits passed a large landing ship (BDK) of the Black Sea fleet "Orsk". This is reported by Istanbul information sites.


According to reports, the BDK passed the straits under the scrutiny of the Istanbul Coast Guard and the maritime police, whose boats accompanied him until their full passage. As noted, this is the first trip of BDK "Orsk" to the Mediterranean Sea this year.

Earlier, two Russian frigates Admiral Makarov and Admiral Grigorovich passed the straits in front of the BDK. They safely proceeded to the Mediterranean Sea and headed for joining the Russian permanent group of the Navy.

Earlier, Turkish media reported that Turkey could close the Black Sea straits of the Bosphorus and Dardanelles for the passage of Russian warships. Such a right is given to her by the Montreux Convention of 1936. According to Art. 20 and 21, if Turkey considers itself "at risk of imminent military danger", it may decide to close the straits.

The aggravation of relations between Russia and Turkey happened on Friday, after being attacked by the Syrian aviation hit the Turkish military, who are together with the militants in the Idlib province of Syria. As a result of the strike, more than 30 Turkish army soldiers died, Ankara accused Russia of involvement in the strike.
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  1. Ratmir_Ryazan 29 February 2020 10: 47 New
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    Turkey cannot be scared by this BDK and two frigates, especially after such a successful application of UAVs in Idlib province by forgiving the SAA.

    Even Turkey, with a military budget of $ 10 billion, has bypassed us in the field of UAVs for several years, or maybe a decade !!! This is just a shame.

    Does our MO have at least some analysts and strategists in planning future operations ?! Or is everyone hoping for atomic missiles ?!

    Well, they helped in Idlib ?! The war of 2008 and the huge losses in the attack and bomber aircraft against the scanty army of Georgia did not teach anything to our leadership.

    The child is aware of the effectiveness of UAVs as a means of defeating enemy armored vehicles and artillery, but no, Russia still has the most advanced UAV copy of the one made in Israel in the 80s.

    Shame and shame.
    1. svp67 29 February 2020 10: 55 New
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Even Turkey, with a military budget of $ 10 billion, has bypassed us in the field of UAVs for several years, or maybe a decade !!! This is just a shame.

      Are you a specialist in the field of military UAVs? You know, what they do is not the level of modern military UAVs, civilian ones - yes, but there are different requirements for many systems. Only this week, in Libya, shot down to a dozen "modern" Turkish UAVs ...
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      The war of 2008 and the huge losses in the attack and bomber aircraft against the scanty army of Georgia

      And in numbers these "huge" can be voiced ...
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan 29 February 2020 11: 05 New
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        Are you a specialist in the field of military UAVs?


        In your opinion, only specialists in Russia see Russia's capabilities in UAVs ?! Suppose, but Turkey has shown its capabilities to the whole world the other day.

        Only this week, in Libya, shot down to a dozen "modern" Turkish UAVs


        That's about a dozen shot down Turkish UAVs, I did not see information, but dozens of destroyed equipment in Syria the other day I saw.

        The war of 2008 and the huge losses in the attack and bomber aircraft against the scanty army of Georgia

        And in numbers these "huge" can be voiced ...


        Well, if you do not know, of course I can - 4 Su-25, Su-24M, Su-24MR, Tu-22M3. Few?! Given the fact that they fought against Georgia, which had one early warning radar and a couple of air defense divisions.
        1. svp67 29 February 2020 11: 15 New
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          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Well, if you do not know, of course I can - 4 Su-25, Su-24M, Su-24MR, Tu-22M3. Few?!

          As far as I know, one of the "dry" on the account of our "anti-aircraft gunners". And yes it’s not a little, but not a huge loss, as you said ...
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Given the fact that they fought against Georgia, which had one early warning radar and a couple of air defense divisions.

          Yes ... That's why you are going to start this disu now?
          The radar station of Georgia in the Gori region, donated by the Americans, controlled the entire territory of the Caucasus. The radar detection, warning and control of hostilities of Georgian air defense forces and equipment was carried out by combat control authorities and stationary radar posts according to information from radar 36D6, P-37, 5N87, P-18, 19Zh6, PRV-9, PRV-11, PRV-13 , ASR-12, as well as various French-made radars in the areas of Poti, Kopitnari, Gori, Tbilisi, Marneuli. Georgia received from the Americans the Skywatcher early warning system for air attack and anti-aircraft guns, which was integrated into the system for receiving information from American tracking systems. [6]

          Georgian air defense did not need to use its own radars, but received information from third-party sources, inaccessible for destruction.


          Under Saakashvili, in Ukraine, two modern 36D6-M air target radars were purchased, five Kolchuga-M passive detection systems, one Mandat electronic warfare system, two Buk-M1 air defense divisions, and up to 18 Osa air defense systems -AK / AKM ”66, four P-18 radars according to the P-180U variant were modernized with the help of the Ukrainian company Aerotechnika. In 2006, Aerotechnika also linked all Georgian military radars and four civilian air traffic control radars, as well as the Kolchuga-M system, into a single ASOC network with an operations center in Tbilisi. In Israel, the battery of the latest Spyder-SR air defense systems was purchased. The Russian Ministry of Defense also announced the acquisition by the Georgian army in 2008 of the Skywatcher automated air defense control system manufactured by the Turkish company Aselsan
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan 29 February 2020 11: 32 New
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            Well, if you do not know, of course I can - 4 Su-25, Su-24M, Su-24MR, Tu-22M3. Few?!

            As far as I know, one of the "dry" on the account of our "anti-aircraft gunners". And yes it’s not a little, but not a huge loss, as you said ...


            For 5 days of the war against Georgia, this is not a huge loss ?! 7 aircraft, each worth $ 30-40 million = 210-250 million dollars. material damage, but the most important thing is the dead pilots.

            Ah, Georgia bought a couple of radars, and several BUKs, but what a meanness on their part))) Now, if Georgia had absolutely no air defense, then we would have shown them. Yes?!

            Does Russia have intelligence at least somewhere besides headquarters and offices ?! What does she do?! Instead of satellites, what are they launching into space ?! Is this some kind of surprise that Georgia had air defense ?! there the situation was heating up for several months !!! And still, we were unprepared.

            Apart from the final result, our operation in Georgia was essentially a failure, we suffered enormous losses for the war against such opponents, we had no communication in units on land, hence the shooting on our own both in the air and on land.

            I then served in border guards, just on the border with Georgia, from Chechnya, in the Sharoy region, so one plane was bombed near one of our outposts. That would have hit, would have been a number. We have excellent pilots and planes, I didn’t get across Georgia))).

            And Turkey, as in a computer game, shoots people and CAA equipment !!!

            And the saddest thing is that we have not learned this Georgian lesson, Russia still does not have UAVs, and we are losing Su-25 attack aircraft with pilots.

            All that Russia has in the troops from the UAV is crafts of the 80s !!!

            Shame and shame. I have no other feelings from this story.
            1. svp67 29 February 2020 11: 41 New
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              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              All that Russia has in the troops from the UAV is crafts of the 80s !!!

              Once again, are you an UAV specialist?
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              7 aircraft, each worth $ 30-40 million = 210-250 million dollars. material damage, but the most important thing is the dead pilots.

              Well, in vain you started it now ...
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              Shame and shame. I have no other feelings from this story.

              Your position has long been understood, and most importantly why you now began to "shed tears" did not understand.
              The main thing is that conclusions have been drawn from that story. Do you know how intensively our aerospace forces are used in Syria and what are the losses?
            2. pipetro 29 February 2020 11: 47 New
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              So write, as if we lost that war, and did not completely crush the Georgian army, even if our army was not in the best condition. Tell us better how many planes the United States lost from the Taliban with outdated weapons.
            3. Xnumx vis 29 February 2020 14: 01 New
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              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              And Turkey, as in a computer game, shoots people and CAA equipment !!!

              You Turkish ? Or sympathizing with the caliphate !? You get paid for advertising Turkish weapons!?
            4. bayard 1 March 2020 01: 12 New
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              Ratmir, would you still remember the summer of the 41st. Already in seconds that "war" has been dismantled. 12 years ago. The General Staff moves to a new building, the new Minister of Defense Serdyukov and President Medvedev, Putin in Beijing at the opening of the Olympics ... And the unavailability of the Army. The combat-ready aircraft were collected in a hurry from all over Russia ... that’s why they bombed somewhere and didn’t know the terrain.
              And in Syria everything is normal. Yesterday, S-300 complexes were deployed to Alepo and Turkish drones were crumbling already at night. Turkish troops and their proxies are methodically destroyed by artillery and aircraft, the offensive continues in the south. The Turks also have big losses in technology too. These are all working moments.
              The massive use of drones has led to large losses of the Syrian army, but now there is a guaranteed no-fly zone over Idlib, any aircraft are being lost, additional fighter aircraft forces have been deployed to Syria ... And the offensive continues in the south.
              Impact drones in Russia are being tested and will soon be put into service, and those that are (reconnaissance / target designation) - in sufficient quantities.

              I am generally surprised by the solidarity of some of our members of the forum of the Turkic ethno-linguistic group with modern Turkey. Up to 40% of the names of the Russian aristocracy had Tatar / Turkic roots. Remember the origin of Boris Godunov, or even Ivan the Terrible (4) (I’m from my mother) ... I have a godfather of Bashkirs and many friends of Turks, including Azerbaijanis, and if we take a DNA analysis, our Russian Turks are much closer to the actual Russian than to Turkish Turks. There is a different blood mix. And the language ... so in Europe half of the population used to speak Russian, and now it works on different exotic ... gibberish ... politics ... Here is my line on the mother - from the northern Urals and my grandfather spoke several Tatar dialects fluently He was often invited even as a translator ... He is Russian. Purebred, but fluent in languages, and already in his advanced years he complained "I wanted to talk with local kids - Tatars according to theirs, but they don’t understand ... where the world is heading, you don’t speak Tatar in Tatar ..." This is me to to what? Language is not an indicator of consanguinity. Here are the Crimean Tatars - it seems to be Tatars, and their language is Tatar, and they did DNA analysis - R1A, Scythian snip ... They say that they walked with the whole village / community - "they found out whose descendants we are."
              And the Kyrgyz?
              Wonderful people.
              So they have a percentage of the Aryan haplogroup even more than the Russians - 70%. , just the ancestors of the Chinean brides stole themselves ... the border service ...
              The Türks are from our root, the border guard of the Empire, and therefore mestizatsiya with Dravids occurred, hence the external differences.
              But the Caucasian Tatars cannot be distinguished at all.
              Or Mountain Bodakhshan.
              And the Turkish Turks - from the Turkmen Seljuks went.
              Take an interest in who and who Seljuk was ... and how much blood they pulled into themselves during their advancement through northern Persia, Armenia to Western Asia.
              And think again: Scythians, who is this? How they looked and who their descendants are.

              "And the Türks from the Russian family - from redheads such strength, doubled the root of the hero and the lynx ... after all, the Türks have always been the support of our throne, guardians of the borders, the great army ..." \ tombstone Stella Kue Tegin. It is written by Russian runes. In old Russian.

              At one time, the Cossacks of the Don and the Kuban were called "Circassian Tatars" ... the Circassians simply accepted Islam, and the Cossacks - Orthodoxy ... There are one people, one clothing ...

              And best illustrates this issue ... The hero of the war of 1812, a favorite of ALL RUSSIA Denis Ivanovich Davydov.
              "Blessed memory is my ancestor Genghis Khan
              grunt, mischievous with arshin mustache
              On a Udar horse like a whirlwind before thunders
              In a brilliant armor flew into an enemy camp
              And powerfully dissected with a tartar hand
              All that resisted the mighty hero ...
              My blessed ancestor ... the same rude
              Like his grandfather, the impudent Genghis Khan.
              In a catman a little among the swords smashing
              Hordes ruled in the fields by the thundering war
              I burn with the same flame as Genghis Khan.
              As my ancestor, my Batu, I hasten to swear
              But to me a gracious count in French robes
              To appear in the vanguard as a dandy for a walk
              To tie a frill, to correct a hairdress
              And show yourself a longhorn with a mustache ...
              Pity the descendant of the poor Batu
              And for the check accept his poems bad ...
              \ 1810 D.I. Davydov arrived in the army to the war with the Turks. \

              After all, my childhood passed (up to 9 years) in the village of my grandfather - the Cossack village (before the revolution) Khanzhino - clan. General Hanzhin - the descendant of the son of Genghis Khan - in translation means the Hand of the King. Representatives of the Khanzhin clan repeatedly became chieftains of the Ural and Orenburg troops ...
              Therefore, when one of the Tatars or other Turks begins to say something superfluous to me, I begin to hum with an impudent look:
              "Blessed memory is my ancestor Genghis Khan ..."
              ... This is the question of the Tatars and Turks in general ... drinks
              You’ll find horseradish (useful plant)!
              I already know the descendants of Genghis Khan. wink
        2. Grits 29 February 2020 11: 26 New
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          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Given the fact that they fought against Georgia, which had one early warning radar and a couple of air defense divisions.

          Considering. that they still don’t know exactly how many Su-25s the Georgians shot down, and how many of their own ...
          But, after 080808 all the same, the conclusions were made, it must be admitted. And a serious reorganization of the army and the introduction of new weapons began from this understanding and precisely after that war.
          I would like to hope that the current events will give a good kick to our industry and to our military in the appearance of not only reconnaissance, but also shock drones. And in the shortest possible time, not after 10 years of testing
        3. Business trip 29 February 2020 13: 13 New
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          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          That's about a dozen shot down Turkish UAVs, I did not see information, but dozens of destroyed equipment in Syria the other day I saw.

          The other day in Libya, the shell "landed" four drones. True, he himself died the death of the brave. Some thirsty videos of the destruction of the shell were given out for Syria lol
          Well, about dozens of destroyed equipment, let's see. From midnight, Syria declared a no-fly zone over Idlib.
          PS. You happen to, dear, have not heard anything about the confused Turkish helicopter, which is already very inadvertently “landed”?
    2. Gost2012 29 February 2020 10: 59 New
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Turkey cannot be scared by this BDK and two frigates, especially after such a successful application of UAVs in Idlib province by forgiving the SAA.
      .
      Shame and shame.


      Stop the tantrum and wipe the monitor. Shame and disgrace are such comments to an adult man (you're an adult and a man, right?)
      Well, the BDK is swimming through the strait according to its business, and is swimming. Why should he scare someone? Lucky something that is necessary and where it is necessary, and let it be lucky for itself, otherwise it went straight to the decay products laughing
      1. New Year day 29 February 2020 14: 19 New
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        Well, the BDK is swimming through the strait according to its business, and is swimming.

        ships are WALKING
        1. Gost2012 29 February 2020 15: 09 New
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          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Gost2012
          Well, the BDK is swimming through the strait according to its business, and is swimming.

          ships are WALKING

          Guilty, of course, go. To me, a land civil rat, is excusable.
        2. Fishery 29 February 2020 15: 25 New
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          )) always wondered why then the captain of the sea and not walking)
          1. Ivan_nick 29 February 2020 19: 44 New
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            Ships used to sail, then they began to walk. Now fly - an aircraft.
          2. matross 1 March 2020 15: 59 New
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            Ships go, sailors sail hi
    3. AVA77 29 February 2020 11: 07 New
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      This is not Ryazan, this is an alarmist,
      hi to you from the city of Ryazhsk
      Sloppies are not in favor! Not everyone is like you on the ground
      Ryazan!
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan 29 February 2020 11: 16 New
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        This is not Ryazan, this is an alarmist


        And in your opinion everything is fine?

        Turkey used only UAVs, caused enormous damage to the SAA, broke through the defenders of the attackers, occupied Serakib, and in response to the BDK we are still transporting equipment to Syria so that the skills of Turkish UAV operators can be raised to a new level.

        The most unpleasant thing for me in this situation is that Turkey bypasses us in the whole sphere of the military-industrial complex, and Turkey’s military budget is 5 times less than the Russian one, while Turkey’s GDP is only 30% less than Russia’s GDP, despite the fact that we sell resources, and they are buying.

        Russia was supposed to have drone UAVs after 1982, after the Jews taught us a lesson called "Medvedka-19", smashing into the trash of 19 Soviet air defense divisions using UAVs !!!

        Now I do not panic, I am ashamed of Russia.

        Turkey spends on the army 5% of the budget or 1,2% of GDP, Russia almost 20% of the budget and 3% of GDP.

        The one who oversees in Russia everything related to UAVs is simply mediocrity or a traitor !!!
        1. Mestny 29 February 2020 11: 21 New
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          And who is it?
          Come on, don't pull it.
          1. AVA77 29 February 2020 11: 31 New
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            I do not pull.
            Who, Who. A horse in a coat.
        2. Same lech 29 February 2020 11: 23 New
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          The most unpleasant thing for me in this situation is that Turkey bypasses us in the whole sphere of the military-industrial complex,

          Impudent lie.
          1. AVA77 29 February 2020 11: 37 New
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            Question or statement?
          2. Ratmir_Ryazan 29 February 2020 11: 39 New
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            The most unpleasant thing for me in this situation is that Turkey bypasses us in the whole sphere of the military-industrial complex,

            Impudent lie.


            Really ?!

            What does Russia have similar? Maybe somewhere already applied?



            But Turkey applied, having beaten dozens of single SSA armored vehicles, and neither our Armor nor the S-300 could prevent this attack, the downed 1 ANKA-S was not an indicator, since the Turkish UAVs completed the task very successfully.
            1. Same lech 29 February 2020 11: 41 New
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              But Turkey applied, having beaten dozens of single SSA armored vehicles,

              Impudent lies ... the main losses of the CAA army are from the artillery of the Turks ... do not confuse a banana with a tram handle.
              The question is on what basis the Turks get involved in hostilities with the Assad army.
            2. AVA77 29 February 2020 12: 31 New
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              Ratmir_Ryazan
              What does Russia have similar? Maybe somewhere already applied?
              Yes apply the answer below.

              And by the way, he's sternly handsome. He's like tt.
        3. AVA77 29 February 2020 11: 28 New
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          Yes, in my opinion everything is fine! the testicle is good for Christ's Day! if now Russia and Syria have decided to go to the abank, and can afford it, YES IT WILL. If the Turks can show themselves and indicate their positions, let them do it, we will know what we are dealing with.
          1. Same lech 29 February 2020 11: 32 New
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            There is no all-in ... there is systematic work on squeezing the Turks out of Syrian land ... Turkey is an occupier in Syria.
          2. Ratmir_Ryazan 1 March 2020 08: 52 New
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            Yes, in my opinion everything is fine!


            What is great ?!

            The offensive on Idlib choked, Turkey with drones destroys the equipment and soldiers of Syria by dozens and hundreds -

            And by the way, he's sternly handsome. He's like tt.


            But for the Turks, he’s just a target -
        4. Sergej1972 29 February 2020 11: 33 New
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          Where did you get Turkish GDP information? In fact, according to the IMF and the World Bank, Turkey’s GDP at face value is exactly half that of Russia and almost half as much as PPP. And you write about some kind of difference of only 30%.
        5. Vladimir_6 29 February 2020 12: 10 New
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          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Now I do not panic, I am ashamed of Russia.

          It’s mutual with Russia.
        6. PalladaTomsk 29 February 2020 12: 25 New
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          As someone else, someone is trying to conduct a dialogue with you. Just for what? Turkey defeated our RF Armed Forces with drones? To scream so zealously that everything was lost and Turkey bypasses us in anything?
          If a real military conflict starts between Turkey and Russia, be sure that drones will not help them.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan 1 March 2020 09: 02 New
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            If a real military conflict starts between Turkey and Russia, be sure that drones will not help them.


            And now that in Idlib is not a military conflict ?!

            Turkey uses its UAVs and is very effective, according to various sources, there are about 10 of them in all, but we have nothing like that -



            NOT!!!

            10 UAVs of Turkey were blown to dust by the advancing Syrian Forces, and now we are trying to justify it.

            There is no need to justify anything, it is necessary to punish for miscalculations !!! there was a lot of time, and we are making UAVs at the level of a school circle, and a lot of money has been spent on useless laser Relight and useless unmanned tanks -



            Which did not show themselves.

            The attack on Idlib for Russia is a shame and failure, because our weapons were disgraced, and the Syrians paid for it with blood and their lives.

            Today, Turkey delivered the same UAVs to Ukraine, the consequences are obvious.
        7. 16329 29 February 2020 12: 42 New
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          And why is the news that the Turkish strike UAV was shot down in Syria a couple of days ago did not cause such a stir, by the way there were only 8 of them in Turkey, several more were shot down in Libya, so that now their number is much smaller
          And the losses of the Syrians from UAVs are caused simply by low saturation of battle formations with air defense systems.
          1. vargo 29 February 2020 13: 14 New
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            Perhaps the calmest and most succinctly substantive answer of all!
            We must also understand what composition of the army the enemy has. If Turkey was not taken into account (or did not want to show what they pose as a threat), then no one closed the sky. And it seems like today the news was heard that the SSA are covering the sky over Idlib (I’m definitely not sure, I did not confirm the information). Here is the reaction.
          2. Ratmir_Ryazan 1 March 2020 09: 10 New
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            And why the news that the Turkish strike UAV was shot down in Syria a couple of days ago did not cause such a stir


            Yes, because the tactics of using UAVs implies that some of them will be shot down, since these are not maneuverable and not high-speed aircraft, but firstly they are without a pilot inside, and secondly they are much cheaper than the goals that they destroyed, Turkey makes them the third and now rivets them a hundred pieces, moreover, in a more advanced version.

            And most importantly, the Turkish Armed Forces have completed the task - they foiled the offensive of Syria and Russia in Idlib.

            And we chew snot and try to justify ourselves.

            And do not make excuses, we must punish all those who are responsible, both for the operation in Idlib and for the disgusting production of UAVs in Russia.

            Since 1982, from Operation Medvedka 19, from the destruction of 19 divisions of Soviet air defense in Syria, a significant role was played by UAVs in modern combat, but for 40 years, Orlan has been the “coolest” UAV for us today -



            Shame and shame.
        8. polar fox 29 February 2020 14: 33 New
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          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          And in your opinion everything is fine?

          not beads swords ... they will throw everyone with socks on the sofa. it’s true, if any real batch starts, they all, as one, “terminally ill” and cannot be called ...
        9. smile 1 March 2020 05: 26 New
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          Ratmir_Ryazan
          1. your words - Turkey caused great damage ......- Turkey caused damage .... yes .... not huge .... to the Syrians .... acceptable, albeit unpleasant ..... troops battle-worthy, chopped off five to eight more territory in the southern part of Idlib province and ten times more population than lost in the Sarakib area ...... yeah and the Turkish army suffered serious damage too - not huge, just the same but unpleasant ..... to the same extent ....
          But the pro-Turkish forces suffered damage ... and yes - HUGE .... who will feed Idlib now, if the evil agricultural owners of these lands, the Syrians, cut off the entire agricultural component of the province? What, Turks? :)))))
          2. Yes, it is likely that the short-range air defense systems didn’t manage to bring Idlib in time in Syria, - there are a limited number of armored vehicles — they are being pulled out, including, unfortunately, Israel ........
          In general, there is only one continuous air defense system on the planet - in the Russian Federation ....... of course, the Syrians choose - where to send such systems .... I think you should know that in Libya 4-5 were destroyed last week -Bayraktar reconnaissance vehicles, plus 2-3 reconnaissance .... yeah, but do you know how many similar UAVs are in service with Turkey? Yeah, as a hint, there were eight bayraktars ........ it was ..... yeah, but in response, the Turks still killed the Saudi export version of the shell .... one ... 6)))) But, they could, honor and praise .... it’s only bad that they immediately lied that they killed her both in Libya and Syria .... but this is particular .... :)))) And we don’t care .. .. do not care that they immediately lied about that! What a PMC Wagner! shot down Turkish UAVs! with the help of Saudi export shells! .... will you joke yourself or will you dodge? :))))
          3. The speed of UAV production in warring Turkey is impressive. Not big. Rather, they produce less than a month than lose a day in Libya .... :))))) But the application is quite successful and interesting in terms of the effectiveness of these systems. And counter them .....
          But they have no chance at all. They can spoil, reverse the course of events - no.
          Turkish normal aviation, which would be able to turn the tide, does not let the evil RF enter Syria - these are the Turks say so. As they didn’t let in before. The Syrians quickly take off their UAVs - pulling up their air defense systems, which were not there until now. Given that Turkey has very few strike UAVs ... then .....
          The Syrians feel sorry ... yes ... but, aphids ... they fight for their homeland, and we only help them .... and there are too few of us to fight for everyone ..... they are too much carried out, defending their independence in order to sour from shock drones or hundreds of KR .....
          Although the shock drones acquired by Ukraine so far have not yet begun to be mastered ....- this is, apparently, questions for the guys fighting with Russia. But one should take into account their application and count on opposition to this case in the Donbass ... I suppose - already all who needed to draw conclusions - they were made.
          4. I saw pictures of medium-range air defense systems that Turkey placed on its borders defiantly ... yeah ... I cried :))) - and you are not too lazy - look - you will neigh ....... more ancient complexes, apparently in Turkey was not found ... Adnak byad ...

          such cases
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan 1 March 2020 09: 22 New
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            Yes, I don’t care what they shoot down and say in Libya, I see the huge efficiency of Turkish UAVs in Idlib in the sky, which somehow controls Russia with its air defense systems starting with the S-400, which should give a picture of the entire air situation and Su-30 fighters / 34/35 and Syria itself, having in service again the Russian S-300, BUKi and Carapace air defense systems.

            And all this costs billions of dollars !!!

            And Turkey, having 10 UAVs Anka-S, smashed offensive forces of Syria, and Russia could not help them. Our vaunted falcons on the vaunted Su-35 could not protect the Syrians in the Syrian sky.

            And Erdogan is not going to stop, he is on a horse, he does everything he wants in Syria, with scanty forces, and we are shaking it with our S-400/300 and other air defense systems and fighters, but to no avail.

            So much for the Su-35 and S-400 radars, which are visible at 400-600 km, and have supersonic missiles in service, but against composite UAVs with a 150-horsepower engine and a speed of 200 km / h - ALL IT IS USEFUL AND EXPENSIVE TRASH!!!

            Responsible persons must be PUNISHED for the failure of the offensive in Idlib and for the failure of the strike UAV project in Russia.
    4. Grits 29 February 2020 11: 16 New
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Shame and shame.

      I will support you in this
      1. Same lech 29 February 2020 11: 25 New
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        I will support you in this

        I absolutely do not support such statements.
        The Turks are in a foreign territory ... Syria ... with only one purpose to chop off a piece of its land from Syria ... and it seems that there are some who support it in this endeavor.
        1. Grits 29 February 2020 13: 02 New
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          I absolutely do not support such statements.

          Actually, I meant that it’s embarrassing and shameful for a Russian army to not have enough drones. And especially not to have drums at all. Our military and industrialists at one time did not catch the situation, having enormous scientific potential
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          I absolutely do not support such statements.

          Turks are in a foreign territory ...


          Exactly the Turks on foreign territory are smashing Syrian troops, Russia has a bunch of air defense systems and fighters with AWACS aircraft, satellites and other things, but all this could not protect from 10 pieces of Anka-S UAVs.

          That's where shame and shame !!!
    5. Same lech 29 February 2020 11: 30 New
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      Even Turkey with a military budget of $ 10 billion has bypassed us in the field of UAVs for several years.

      Not true...
      there were articles on VO about drones of Turkey ...
      The first drone to enter service with Turkey was the modified Bayraktar TB2 reconnaissance vehicle.

      Not the highest characteristics of this device .. 50 kg of bomb load ... cat's tears ... why are you misinforming members of the forum about the outstanding capabilities of Turkish UAVs ... this is not so. hi
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan 29 February 2020 11: 42 New
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        Not true...
        there were articles on VO about drones of Turkey ...
        The first drone to enter service with Turkey was the modified Bayraktar TB2 reconnaissance vehicle.

        Not the highest characteristics of this device .. 50 kg of bomb load ... cat's tears ...


        Is that cat's tears? Is this your weak performance? -

        1. Same lech 29 February 2020 11: 45 New
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          More reminiscent of artillery attacks on a drone aiming ... maybe howitzers are beating.
          Armored vehicles with a bomb of 25 kg are not so striking.
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      2. Grits 29 February 2020 13: 03 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        Not the highest characteristics of this device .. 50 kg of bomb load ... cat's tears ... why are you misinforming members of the forum about the outstanding capabilities of Turkish UAVs ... this is not so.

        Unfortunately, these characteristics allow you to kill the Syrian soldiers and quite accurately and closely.
    6. PSih2097 29 February 2020 11: 49 New
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      Turkey cannot be scared by this BDK and two frigates, especially after such a successful application of UAVs in Idlib province by forgiving the SAA.

      well, they didn’t scare them well, but here a couple of “swans” or “bears” with a flight to the south are definitely scared ...
    7. Lord of the Sith 29 February 2020 11: 51 New
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      A shame? fool
      It’s obvious to the child:
      A) Russia, unlike Turkey, is all in sanctions like Watchdog in fleas
      B) Turkey, as a NATO country, has access to technology. They have long been doing practically nothing on their own, together cheaper and more efficient. And Russia in this regard by itself, we have to do everything ourselves.

      Yes and not so bad with Russian UAVs.
      1. Dikson 29 February 2020 12: 32 New
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        Shit with a UAV with us .. don’t heal .. 10! For years in a row I watched a picture of how cunning guys from some company dragged their crafts at all kinds of exhibitions at the level of aircraft modeling .. trying to sell their pepelats to the Ministry of Emergencies, then to the military, then to foresters ... and for 10 years they haven’t changed their stuffing, no engine, nothing .. But you can talk about Wunderwafer as a Hunter for another ten years ... About 080808, too, a lot of the right things were said .. There is no connection between the parts .. Interaction .. again ... The Defense Ministry simply merged at the very beginning cottages .. the command in the first hours from a personal cell phone at their own expense - that’s all our general staff was working ... otherwise they would not have taken the tunnel .. And then the race generals began to command ..
        1. Lord of the Sith 29 February 2020 12: 36 New
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          Yeah, that's only in our Donbass, UAVs of Russian production are quite effectively used.
          I don’t know what you saw there at the exhibitions, but I saw in combat use.
          1. Grits 29 February 2020 13: 05 New
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            Yeah, that's only in our Donbass, UAVs of Russian production are quite effectively used.

            Drums? Enlighten.
            1. Lord of the Sith 29 February 2020 13: 15 New
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              No, I won’t educate, for a good reason (don’t talk!).
              And personally, I did not do this. Unless I saw.
              1. Grits 29 February 2020 15: 56 New
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                No, I won’t educate, for a good reason (don’t talk!).
                And personally, I did not do this. Unless I saw.

                Of course, I understand that you know the situation in the Donbass much better than me, but, excuse me, I do not believe it. There can be no Russian drone drone in the Donbass due to the complete absence of such in production. So far only in trials
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                  Yes, do not believe, I will not convince.
                  Only TTX read Russian drones))
          2. Dikson 29 February 2020 13: 22 New
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            Well, if you saw in combat work .. Only what you saw was supposed to enter the army at the beginning of the century .. What we now call rearmament and the introduction of technology in the army reminds me of a picture (again with some then a loudly named economic event .. Innovation, revolution, technological breakthrough, etc. ..) - two energetic young people demonstrated the wonders of a cheap Chinese 3-D printer, under the fashionable sign “Technopark, Russia, .. we will defeat everyone ..” Innovative Chinese machine under the strict guidance of advanced techno-revolutionaries, plastic combs were vigorously stamped .. The governor and other guests were delighted .. Well, okay .. I know about myself - “boots are more reliable in battle” .. this quote from the film, in my opinion, best expresses the essence of all of innovations and modernizations in our army today .. It's a shame from the fact that from a country that was ahead of the whole world in many industries, we have turned into a feverishly catching up, hopelessly lagging participant of the race .. And in this case, the phrase that the main thing is not victory, but participation is poor consolation ..
    8. Genry 29 February 2020 12: 00 New
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Turkey will not be scared, especially after such a successful use of UAVs in Idlib province by forgiving CAA

      Most of the personnel using Turkish UAVs turned out to be records from exercises and do not have topographic references in Syria.
      After such a discovery, real shots appeared, but of a completely different video quality, with the possibility of visual reference. But they have nothing to do with the list of targets hit.
    9. Simargl 29 February 2020 12: 20 New
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      This BDK and two frigates do not scare Turkey
      Ah, so it was an action to intimidate Turkey?

      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      especially after such a successful UAV application in Idlib province by forgiving CAA
      Syrian Arab Army ... Russian frigates and BDK ... Syrian Arab Army ... Russian frigates and BDK ...
      ... tell me the connection: how the use of UAVs against SAA can frighten a frigate? Well, the captain will be sad that the SAA commanders did not cover the air defense march, so what?

      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Even Turkey, with a military budget of $ 10 billion, has bypassed us in the field of UAVs for several years, or maybe a decade !!! This is just a shame.
      Well bypassing you, so what? ISIS, which is prohibited in the Russian Federation, bypasses its Chinese UAVs, which are successfully disposed of on approach to significant objects.

      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Does our MO have at least some analysts and strategists in planning future operations ?!
      Guess!

      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Or is everyone hoping for atomic missiles ?!
      Ah, got it! Yulia bit. "Atomic missiles" is her syllable.
      If air defense is given in technical terms ... atomic missiles have not yet been invented.

      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Well, they helped in Idlib ?!
      I repeat: no one has nuclear missiles. CAA has no atomic and chemical weapons at all. So ... no, they didn’t help, because missing.

      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      The war of 2008 and the huge losses in the attack and bomber aircraft against the scanty army of Georgia did not teach anything to our leadership.
      The concentration of forces of scanty Georgia in the operational area was comparable to the concentration of forces in the Second World War. And still it is necessary to consider the nagging "helpers".

      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      The child's obvious effectiveness of UAVs as a means of defeating enemy armored vehicles and artillery
      But who will argue? Only, as indicated above, this axiom is not embedded in the heads (or not well-written) of the CAA commanders who did not care about covering the columns.

      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      but no, Russia still has the most advanced UAV copy of the one that Israel made in the 80s
      "Hunter" will soon be adopted. Israel has not done this yet ...

      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Shame and shame.
      Well, then wash!
      1. Grits 29 February 2020 13: 18 New
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        "Hunter" will soon be adopted. Israel has not done this yet ...

        So not only the Hunter will be soon adopted. And soon Orion, Alithus and much more will be accepted. But soon. But there will be.
        And you need it now. The hunter will probably be tested in terms of no less than PAK-FA. Here is such an offensive, but real deal.
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          And you need it now. The hunter will probably be tested in terms of no less than PAK-FA.
          So what's the problem?
          UAVs against a trained enemy - conditionally dangerous.
          UAV against notprepared enemy - dangerous, even civilian option.
          Russia has drones against the enemy notprepared to deal with them. Let it be ancient Israeli clones, but they carry out their work. What UAV should be for “working” with a trained enemy is not entirely clear in today's realities.
          So ... riveting ultra-expensive Hunter-class UAVs to counteract barmaley is nonsense, and riveting them, not knowing how he will behave when counteracting with air defense partners who have all the means to deal with almost any UAV (we are not talking about quality) ...
          So which UAVs do we need?
          And how does the production of UAVs for the Russian Defense Ministry correlate with the plumes of the SAA column on the march from the UAV?
    10. icant007 29 February 2020 12: 49 New
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      Does our MO have at least some analysts and strategists in planning future operations ?!


      All the best analysts and strategists are here at VO)
  2. DMB 75 29 February 2020 10: 47 New
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    Seven feet under the keel to you, "Orsk"! Happy walk!
    1. svp67 29 February 2020 10: 56 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      Seven feet under the keel to you, "Orsk"! Happy walk!

      The main thing is that he didn’t go empty to Syria
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        The main thing is that he didn’t go empty to Syria

        The main thing is that not yet through Gibraltar
  3. Mountain shooter 29 February 2020 10: 59 New
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    Ammunition and equipment taken? The Syrians need a big expense ... Yesterday, customers from Turkey urgently transferred an advance payment for equipment ... With the words - "suddenly the sultan will climb into the head!" Something like this ... the sultan in the homeland is not popular. It interferes with business. Caused a US attack on the Turkish lira.
    1. Kleber 29 February 2020 11: 07 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Something like this ... the Sultan in the homeland is not popular


      And where is he generally popular? laughing
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      Now all the leaders are not popular, this is the norm.
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        It is impossible to please everyone, you will always be someone sideways. Well, the degree of hostility is a floating indicator)
  4. Termit1309 29 February 2020 11: 00 New
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    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    The child's obvious effectiveness of UAVs as a means of defeating enemy armored vehicles and artillery

    Perhaps it’s obvious to the child. With age, this goes away.
  5. Retvizan 8 29 February 2020 11: 02 New
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    My subjective opinion: rather, we would "settle" with the Turks and reconcile this conflict.
    In fact, cooperation in the economic sphere is beneficial both for us and Turkey,
    but not like a war game in which neither we nor they receive benefits.
    And only the Hegimons who will immediately begin to "add oil to the fire" and whisper to the Turks in the ear: "America is with you" will benefit from this ...
    I hope Erdogan will be smarter and not lead to this bullshit.
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan 29 February 2020 11: 18 New
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      My subjective opinion: rather, we would "settle" with the Turks and reconcile this conflict.


      How? Give Idlib? With this approach, in 10 years Crimea will have to be given to the Turks.
    2. bessmertniy 29 February 2020 11: 22 New
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      It is hard to imagine who, in economic terms, could lose more from a break in relations - Turkey or Russia. However, if it closes the straits, then not a single tomato from Turkey can penetrate our border. negative
    3. Aleksandr21 29 February 2020 11: 30 New
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      Quote: Retvizan 8
      My subjective opinion: rather, we would "settle" with the Turks and reconcile this conflict.
      In fact, cooperation in the economic sphere is beneficial both for us and Turkey,
      but not like a war game in which neither we nor they receive benefits.
      And only the Hegimons who will immediately begin to "add oil to the fire" and whisper to the Turks in the ear: "America is with you" will benefit from this ...
      I hope Erdogan will be smarter and not lead to this bullshit.


      On the whole, I agree that it is economically profitable to be friends, of course, but there are things that cannot be measured with money, it is terrorism. If Idlib is left under Turkey, this hotbed of terrorism will spread no worse than ISIS, since no one will bomb them, the militants will build up strength, train new "followers" and then they will attack the cities of Syria, the Syrian army and our military bases in Syria. Do you know what is the worst? If these militants go home to share their "experience" with the CIS countries, new terrorist cells will appear. Few people pay attention to this side of the issue, the main discussion is about restoring the territorial integrity of Syria, relations between Turkey and Russia and this conflict, but in fact there are many pitfalls here. Therefore, we can’t bend with Idlib and we need to destroy terrorists, regardless of whether they are Turkish or not. But Turkey is preventing it from doing this, here's the thing .... and if ours is called to bend at the negotiations on this issue on March 5-6, it will come back very much in the future, but I hope that Russia will be able to defend its position and continue to destroy the bearded outside depending on their color.

      PS And in general, I hope that over time the Turks will be knocked out of Syrian territory altogether, and if they are economically friends with Turkey, then it is not at the expense of Syria.
      1. KVK1 29 February 2020 12: 22 New
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        If Idlib is left under Turkey, then this hotbed of terrorism

        Well, in Russia they know well how to fight terrorism. Not so long ago, the center of terrorism was in the south of Russia, and even fought with the Russian troops, and carried out terrorist attacks. Then, who needed the Heroes, who needed the money, who needed what it needed .... And now there is no hotbed of terrorism, on the contrary. Everything is simple and without shooting.
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    1. Husit 29 February 2020 11: 14 New
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      interestingly, in the Soviet Union they planned to do such things, a very interesting concept

      No, you were mistaken .. There has never been such a thing! wink
  7. Livonetc 29 February 2020 11: 10 New
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    And here is an interesting point.
    It seems that all the cargo is in the hold.
    Not as before, the sheathed equipment was also on deck and everyone was trying to determine what kind of cargo was on board.
    Now the geese are not teased.
    1. Grits 29 February 2020 11: 31 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      And here is an interesting point.
      It seems that all the cargo is in the hold.

      I was also immediately interested in what was on the deck? I think the Turks are even more interested. Though. Automotive equipment and could put on the deck.
  8. Husit 29 February 2020 11: 12 New
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    Well, the old man BDK "Orsk" again "surprises" in Syria lucky .. wink there are still ahead of him .. Well, seven feet under the keel and no submarines .. hi
    1. KVK1 29 February 2020 12: 29 New
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      Well, the old man BDK "Orsk" again "surprises" in Syria lucky .. wink there still ahead of him

      I, like a "non-marine" person, have a question (although there is a classmate caperang, I need to ask him too)
      and if Erdogan still closes the straits (well, he’s crazy), what will our ships do? How will they return to Russian ports? Do they have enough fuel, etc. for a hike around Europe?
      options "bomb the strait" is for children.
      But really, they must think through the headquarters of all the options, even the most unfavorable.
      1. Kleber 29 February 2020 12: 40 New
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        Remember the words of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR Andrei Gromyko: "Instead of the Bosphorus, we can make two more straits, only Istanbul, unfortunately, will not be."
        1. KVK1 29 February 2020 12: 44 New
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          so I immediately wrote, options with bombing, this is for children
          serious people don’t even consider such options
          1. Kleber 29 February 2020 12: 46 New
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            Those. USSR Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko was not a serious person?
        2. polar fox 29 February 2020 14: 43 New
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          Quote: Kleber
          Remember the words of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR Andrei Gromyko:

          So it was in the USSR. And this is Gromyko, "Mr. No." And now the cooperative "Lake".
      2. Grits 29 February 2020 13: 24 New
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        and if Erdogan still closes the straits (well, he’s crazy), what will our ships do? How will they return to Russian ports? Do they have enough fuel, etc. for a hike around Europe?

        Of course, they will swim to the house. But immediately the cost of such collateral increases sharply. First you need to send your tankers from the Baltic. And then to form a whole formation, where there will be not only warships, but also tankers and supply vessels and tugs. And all this will amicably ply around Europe.
        True, the experience of 1905 suggests that serious transitions are not always good ...
        1. KVK1 29 February 2020 13: 46 New
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          here I am about the same
          but also tankers and supply vessels and tugs

          it is possible to organize fuel production in Syria, but, in a combat situation, all this will be very vulnerable
          shipping cost will increase at times
          The motor resources of the vessels that will participate in this will allow you to do more than one trip without intermediate repairs?
          Admiral Kuznetsov’s campaign in 2016 ended with the actual loss of an aircraft carrier
          is a "candlestick game"?
          Is it worth losing part of the Russian fleet?
          1. Grits 29 February 2020 15: 59 New
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            it is possible to organize fuel production in Syria, but, in a combat situation, all this will be very vulnerable

            In general, for good, you need to have agreements with Syria for the supply of fuel and lubricants and food. And it’s more convenient for us and they don’t get any money.
            1. KVK1 29 February 2020 16: 07 New
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              so it is necessary to either restore or rebuild the oil refining, and even in the necessary volumes, and even protect against sabotage (and the oil refinery can burn very well)
              what would build-restore need (except money) personnel ...
              Is this, again, send our civilians there under bullets and bombs?
      3. Vitaly gusin 29 February 2020 13: 27 New
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        Quote: KVK1
        and if Erdogan still closes the straits (well, he’s crazy), what will our ships do?

        In 1936, the Montreux Convention established the sovereignty of Turkey over the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles.
        Article 20 of the Convention states that during the war in which Turkey is participating, the passage of warships through the straits depends exclusively at the discretion of the Turkish government.
        Article 21 states that the same restriction is possible in a situation where Turkey considers itself "at risk of imminent military danger." But this must be proved at the UN. It is doubtful that the United Nations, in such an explosive situation in the Middle East, would agree to acknowledge this.
    2. Dikson 29 February 2020 12: 44 New
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      Why do submarines? enough rusty fishing troughs with a neutral flag .. Well, sailors drank, slept in the opposite direction .. yes in a bottleneck .. In principle, the Turks don’t have to officially block anything .. - you can always put the rusty insured felucca under course .. - losses on penny, and ours - a lot of problems ...
  9. Ros 56 29 February 2020 11: 19 New
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    The ship named after my city, damn it, a trifle, but nice. But not only this is famous for Orsk.
    1. major071 29 February 2020 11: 32 New
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      Hello fellow countryman! hi All the glories of Orsk, as a city awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor, remained in the Soviet past. Not a single enterprise remained afloat. All plants: YuUMZ, OMZ, Nickel Plant, etc. destroyed, from the OZTP there were just ruins, but they built entertainment centers. The city is dying, the natural influx of residents comes only from visitors from the countryside and Kazakhstan, and young people are scattering. hi
      1. Ros 56 29 February 2020 11: 40 New
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        I am aware of all these events, sadly however. It remains only to remember. hi
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        Quote: major071
        Hello fellow countryman! hi All the glory of Orsk, as a city awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor, remained in the Soviet past. Not a single enterprise remained afloat. All plants: YuUMZ, OMZ, Nickel Plant, etc. destroyed, from the OZTP there were just ruins, but they built entertainment centers. The city is dying, the natural influx of residents comes only from visitors from the countryside and Kazakhstan, and young people are scattering.

        Do you think so only in Orsk?
        Somehow a friend came from the west of the country and noticed. Says, guys, of course, I heard that the development of the Far East is going on, that there is such a powerful program with a lot of money. But looking around, I don’t understand - either I’m completely (...........) stupid or you are very cruelly (...........) deceived
    2. polar fox 29 February 2020 14: 45 New
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      But not only this is famous for Orsk.

      og))) even by Reimer, as our employees called it, "orsk refrigerators"))) Sanya is notorious in Samara "got it" ...
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        I found someone to talk about. It has long been necessary to the wall.
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          It has long been necessary to the wall.

          impossible ... his "guarantor" claimed)))
  10. tihonmarine 29 February 2020 11: 20 New
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    As a result of the strike, more than 30 Turkish army soldiers died, Ankara accused Russia of involvement in the strike.
    Well, Erdogan sent them there, and there is demand from him.
  11. Doctor 29 February 2020 11: 28 New
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    Syria. Entrance ruble - exit two.
    1. Livonetc 29 February 2020 11: 34 New
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      Right.
      Going out to the Turks will be hard.
      But the longer they crap there, the more “martyrs” they have.
      Just do not consolidate the Turkish society of the cemetery of the "martyrs."
      Rather the opposite.
  12. rudolff 29 February 2020 12: 20 New
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    I did not understand why Ratmir_Ryazan was so bombarded for the first comment? What did he say wrong? What is the situation with shock UAVs in Russia is a shame? So this is a medical fact! We are all firm about some developments, but in fact the coolest UAV in service is the licensed assembly of the old Israeli device. Yes, and that scout, there are no drummers at all.
    I was also unpleasantly surprised how the Turks effectively used their UAVs. And the accuracy of the blows. Explicitly used guided ammunition. Hephaestus is certainly good, but you can’t even jump above your head, especially when strikes are made from 5-6 thousand meters. Sometimes a peg, and sometimes 30-50 meters to the side, without damaging either the building or the equipment.
    1. Business trip 29 February 2020 13: 31 New
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      We wrote above that it became known that the majority of UAV videos are video from exercises. After that, videos of much lower quality appeared that could not be tied to a specific territory. A video with the shell destroyed is generally Libya. And then: "Two imported self-propelled guns one tank ...."
      And about the use of UAVs in modern conflicts ... I absolutely agree - an effective 'thing' hi
    2. Grits 29 February 2020 13: 34 New
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      I was also unpleasantly surprised how the Turks effectively used their UAVs. And the accuracy of the blows.

      Can you imagine how this surprised our military? Probably still in shock and do not know what to do about it. There is no means to deal with them. A thrashing good.
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      But how else can UAVs be used against ground forces that do not expect this and are not prepared? now they know what to do and the situation will not be so effective
  13. Protos 29 February 2020 13: 22 New
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    Are you a specialist in the field of military UAVs?



    Well, if you do not know, of course I can - 4 Su-25, Su-24M, Su-24MR, Tu-22M3. Few?! Given the fact that they fought against Georgia, which had one early warning radar and a couple of air defense divisions.

    3-Su-25
    1- Su24MR
    1- Tu22MR
    There were radars ...
    Ukraine in 2007 delivered by sea 9K37M1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile division (SA-11), consisting of a command post (KP Zrdn) and three anti-aircraft missile batteries.
    Eight OSK-9K33M2 Osa-AK combat vehicles (two batteries) and six (according to some sources, ten) 9K33M3 Osa-AKM.
    Ukraine sold to Georgia two modern radars 36D6-M, which were deployed in Tbilisi and Shavshevebi (Savshevebi) near Gori. Three-coordinate radar 36D6-M with a range of detection of air targets up to 360 km. developed by Iskra (Zaporozhye, Ukraine), and is the result of a deep modernization of the Soviet ST-68U (19ZH6) radar, adopted in 1980 and used with the S-300P (SA-10) air defense system.
    Ukraine supplied the Kolchuga-M passive electronic intelligence system capable of detecting modern aircraft by emitting their radars and communications, including those using stealth technologies.
    Ukrainian company Aerotekhnika modernized obsolete Georgian P-18 radars, creating a version (P-180U) , which boils down to a brand new, modern two-coordinate radar station
    According to information recently published in Ukraine, only four sets of Kolchuga-M station and one Mandat electronic warfare station. Three Kolchuga-M stations, combined into a complex, are capable of providing a reconnaissance front of up to 1000 kilometers. Recall the main characteristics of the system.

    The maximum detection range of onboard radiation carriers, depending on the operating mode, is from 200 to 600 kilometers. By radiation from radars and other systems, Mail is able to accurately identify aircraft and set the operation mode of their radar stations (the task being performed). At the same time, the complex can accompany up to two hundred targets, providing information on digital displays in real time. Information about the location, course and speed of the target allows target designation for active air defense systems without unmasking them with the operation of their own radar.
    The Chain Mail is manufactured by the Topaz factory in Donetsk and was delivered to Georgia in May 2008. Recall earlier, Ukraine was severely criticized by the United States for the supply of chain mail to China, Iraq and Iran.
    The Transcaucasian Republic received from Bulgaria 12 anti-aircraft guns ZU-23-2M, four ZSU-23-4 "Shilka", 500 missiles for the Igla MANPADS.

    According to the UN Register of Conventional Arms, Poland has supplied 30 MANPADS "Thunder" (advanced "Igla-1) and 100 missiles to it.

    United States delivered ASR-12 radars from The Northrop Grumman. The radar operates in the range 2.7 - 2.9 GHz, the pulse power is 22 kW, the radiation pattern width is 1, 4 degrees, the range resolution is 210 m (700 ft), the antenna rotation is 10/12/15 rpm. The indicator has three scales 60/80/100 NM (nautical miles) or 100/130/160 km.
    Georgia also acquired one battery of the new Israeli air defense system "Spider-SR" (Spyder-SR) before the start of the August war of 2008 and used in the course of hostilities. Unlike the Spider-SR complex delivered by the Israelis to India, a cheaper complex was delivered to Georgia, which included four launchers with rail guides on which missiles were placed without transport launch containers.
    Turkey set Skywatcher, an early warning system for air attack and anti-aircraft gun control, which was integrated into the system of receiving information from American tracking equipment and NATO, 50 Pakistan-made Anza-2 MANPADS. In fact, this is the main link that provides information from passive and active means of reconnaissance, which ensured the issuance of target designation to active air defense systems without putting them on the air.
    In 2006, the Ukrainian company Aerotechnika linked all the Georgian military, four civilian radar systems for air traffic control and electronic intelligence systems "Kolchuga-M" into a single system of the National Air Management (ASOC - Air Sovereignty Operations Center).
    ASOC Central Command Post is located in Tbilisi and In the spring of 2008, it was connected to NATO's ASDE (Air Situation Data Exchange) system through Turkey, which allowed Georgia to receive air traffic data directly from the NATO integrated air defense system.
    One radar ... am STORYTELLER laughing
  14. Sarkazm 29 February 2020 17: 31 New
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    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    Well, if you do not know, of course I can - 4 Su-25, Su-24M, Su-24MR, Tu-22M3. Few?!

    As far as I know, one of the "dry" on the account of our "anti-aircraft gunners". And yes it’s not a little, but not a huge loss, as you said ...


    For 5 days of the war against Georgia, this is not a huge loss ?! 7 aircraft, each worth $ 30-40 million = 210-250 million dollars. material damage, but the most important thing is the dead pilots.

    Ah, Georgia bought a couple of radars, and several BUKs, but what a meanness on their part))) Now, if Georgia had absolutely no air defense, then we would have shown them. Yes?!

    Does Russia have intelligence at least somewhere besides headquarters and offices ?! What does she do?! Instead of satellites, what are they launching into space ?! Is this some kind of surprise that Georgia had air defense ?! there the situation was heating up for several months !!! And still, we were unprepared.

    Apart from the final result, our operation in Georgia was essentially a failure, we suffered enormous losses for the war against such opponents, we had no communication in units on land, hence the shooting on our own both in the air and on land.

    I then served in border guards, just on the border with Georgia, from Chechnya, in the Sharoy region, so one plane was bombed near one of our outposts. That would have hit, would have been a number. We have excellent pilots and planes, I didn’t get across Georgia))).

    And Turkey, as in a computer game, shoots people and CAA equipment !!!

    And the saddest thing is that we have not learned this Georgian lesson, Russia still does not have UAVs, and we are losing Su-25 attack aircraft with pilots.

    All that Russia has in the troops from the UAV is crafts of the 80s !!!

    Shame and shame. I have no other feelings from this story.
    There is no sense in screaming ...
    Downed the pilots? - Moms give birth. When did people appreciate us?
    Are airplanes expensive? - and we have them. They got from the USSR, now it’s starting to reach idiots WHAT has got, how VALUABLE it is and what it needs to be saved. Now, after all, we see how hard the rearmament program is, how expensive and difficult it is, even with the backlog and the legacy of the USSR and based on its technologies, to create a full fifth-generation fighter, to launch and put into service at least 100 units.
    We are upgrading once again in essence the BTR-60 and BMP-1.
    Remind me how many years have passed since the collapse of the USSR? Name at least one type of sophisticated weapons and equipment created in the country from scratch? ...
    Therefore, there is no need to shout and resent, everything is as always our tradition.

    And about UAVs, yes, the country, Azerbaijan, the former Soviet Socialist Republic, smaller than most of our regions and territories, has more modern and advanced weapons. Well, here's a simple example, who apart from the most advanced, have heard about kamikaze drones? - I personally saw them for the first time and read them only after the next war in Karabakh. They have it, but we don’t even have the horse lying around there, but this is as always - until the thunder strikes, the man does not cross himself.
  15. Sarkazm 29 February 2020 17: 59 New
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    We supply weapons and support Assad, Assad killed the Turkish military ... if this is the logic, then the Turks will block the strait, the question is when. Who has any forecasts on the timing.

    Only if Mona winked without shouting about the fact that we are burning them to nuclear ashes and our proud Varyag team rumbles exactly in a narrow neck.
  16. Victor March 47 29 February 2020 20: 21 New
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    Lies. Officially, Turkey does not blame Russia. There are stuffings of such a version of individual warriors. A statement made by the highest authorities of Turkey will put them in a trap position from which there is no way out. If you admit such an attack, then Turkey is obliged to respond. And this is the unfolding of a war with a nuclear power, and, given the US statement that the problems of the Turks are their problems, and recent, to put it mildly, very pacifying words that we will help, but for which there is no real action, makes them lonely. DO NOT answer is to disfigure a face. Both that, and another is bad. Therefore there was nothing. And will we see.
  17. flicker 1 March 2020 01: 48 New
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    this is the first trip of BDK "Orsk" to the Mediterranean Sea this year.
    Earlier, two Russian frigates Admiral Makarov and Admiral Grigorovich passed the straits in front of the BDK.

    They bring "gifts."
    You can then warn the Turkish side that we intend to fire at terrorists with all available means, including long-range aviation. Offer Erdogan to remove all Turkish troops from Idlib, in order to avoid unnecessary losses, and give the Turks time 24 hours. And then grind all the terrorists to hell with dogs.
    The main thing we have warned.
  18. Guru 2 March 2020 09: 03 New
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    The Syrian Express in action, it may even be that extreme flight. Lucky something Oooooochen necessary.