BDK "Orsk" Black Sea Fleet proceeded through the straits to the Mediterranean Sea

Against the backdrop of the aggravation of the situation in the Syrian province of Idlib, following two Russian frigates, on Friday traveling to the Mediterranean Sea, the Black Sea straits passed a large landing ship (BDK) of the Black Sea fleet "Orsk". This is reported by Istanbul information sites.

According to reports, the BDK passed the straits under the scrutiny of the Istanbul Coast Guard and the maritime police, whose boats accompanied him until their full passage. As noted, this is the first trip of BDK "Orsk" to the Mediterranean Sea this year.

Earlier, two Russian frigates Admiral Makarov and Admiral Grigorovich passed the straits in front of the BDK. They safely proceeded to the Mediterranean Sea and headed for joining the Russian permanent group of the Navy.

Earlier, Turkish media reported that Turkey could close the Black Sea straits of the Bosphorus and Dardanelles for the passage of Russian warships. Such a right is given to her by the Montreux Convention of 1936. According to Art. 20 and 21, if Turkey considers itself "at risk of imminent military danger", it may decide to close the straits.

The aggravation of relations between Russia and Turkey happened on Friday, after being attacked by the Syrian aviation hit the Turkish military, who are together with the militants in the Idlib province of Syria. As a result of the strike, more than 30 Turkish army soldiers died, Ankara accused Russia of involvement in the strike.

Comments

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Turkey cannot be scared by this BDK and two frigates, especially after such a successful application of UAVs in Idlib province by forgiving the SAA.

Even Turkey, with a military budget of $ 10 billion, has bypassed us in the field of UAVs for several years, or maybe a decade !!! This is just a shame.

Does our MO have at least some analysts and strategists in planning future operations ?! Or is everyone hoping for atomic missiles ?!

Well, they helped in Idlib ?! The war of 2008 and the huge losses in the attack and bomber aircraft against the scanty army of Georgia did not teach anything to our leadership.

The child is aware of the effectiveness of UAVs as a means of defeating enemy armored vehicles and artillery, but no, Russia still has the most advanced UAV copy of the one made in Israel in the 80s.

Shame and shame.

[svp67]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Even Turkey, with a military budget of $ 10 billion, has bypassed us in the field of UAVs for several years, or maybe a decade !!! This is just a shame.

Are you an expert in the field of military UAVs? You know, what they are doing is not yet the level of modern military UAVs, civilian - yes, but there are different requirements for many systems. Just this week, in Libya, up to a dozen of "modern" Turkish UAVs were shot down ...

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The war of 2008 and the huge losses in the attack and bomber aircraft against the scanty army of Georgia

And in numbers, these "huge" ones can be voiced ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Are you a specialist in the field of military UAVs?

In your opinion, only specialists in Russia see Russia's capabilities in UAVs ?! Suppose, but Turkey has shown its capabilities to the whole world the other day.

Just this week, in Libya, up to a dozen of "modern" Turkish UAVs were shot down

That's about a dozen shot down Turkish UAVs, I did not see information, but dozens of destroyed equipment in Syria the other day I saw.

The war of 2008 and the huge losses in the attack and bomber aircraft against the scanty army of Georgia

And in numbers, these "huge" ones can be voiced ...

Well, if you do not know, of course I can - 4 Su-25, Su-24M, Su-24MR, Tu-22M3. Few?! Given the fact that they fought against Georgia, which had one early warning radar and a couple of air defense divisions.

[svp67]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Well, if you do not know, of course I can - 4 Su-25, Su-24M, Su-24MR, Tu-22M3. Few?!

As far as I know, one of the "dry" on account of our "anti-aircraft gunners". And yes, this is not small, but not huge losses, as you said ...

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Given the fact that they fought against Georgia, which had one early warning radar and a couple of air defense divisions.

Yes ... That's why you are going to start this disu now?

The radar station of Georgia in the Gori region, donated by the Americans, controlled the entire territory of the Caucasus. The radar detection, warning and control of hostilities of Georgian air defense forces and equipment was carried out by combat control authorities and stationary radar posts according to information from radar 36D6, P-37, 5N87, P-18, 19Zh6, PRV-9, PRV-11, PRV-13 , ASR-12, as well as various French-made radars in the areas of Poti, Kopitnari, Gori, Tbilisi, Marneuli. Georgia received from the Americans the Skywatcher early warning system for air attack and anti-aircraft guns, which was integrated into the system for receiving information from American tracking systems. [6]

Georgian air defense did not need to use its own radars, but received information from third-party sources, inaccessible for destruction.

Under Saakashvili, in Ukraine, two modern 36D6-M air target radars were purchased, five Kolchuga-M passive detection systems, one Mandat electronic warfare system, two Buk-M1 air defense divisions, and up to 18 Osa air defense systems -AK / AKM ”66, four P-18 radars according to the P-180U variant were modernized with the help of the Ukrainian company Aerotechnika. In 2006, Aerotechnika also linked all Georgian military radars and four civilian air traffic control radars, as well as the Kolchuga-M system, into a single ASOC network with an operations center in Tbilisi. In Israel, the battery of the latest Spyder-SR air defense systems was purchased. The Russian Ministry of Defense also announced the acquisition by the Georgian army in 2008 of the Skywatcher automated air defense control system manufactured by the Turkish company Aselsan

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Well, if you do not know, of course I can - 4 Su-25, Su-24M, Su-24MR, Tu-22M3. Few?!

As far as I know, one of the "dry" on account of our "anti-aircraft gunners". And yes, this is not small, but not huge losses, as you said ...

For 5 days of the war against Georgia, this is not a huge loss ?! 7 aircraft, each worth $ 30-40 million = 210-250 million dollars. material damage, but the most important thing is the dead pilots.

Ah, Georgia bought a couple of radars, and several BUKs, but what a meanness on their part))) Now, if Georgia had absolutely no air defense, then we would have shown them. Yes?!

Does Russia have intelligence at least somewhere besides headquarters and offices ?! What does she do?! Instead of satellites, what are they launching into space ?! Is this some kind of surprise that Georgia had air defense ?! there the situation was heating up for several months !!! And still, we were unprepared.

Apart from the final result, our operation in Georgia was essentially a failure, we suffered enormous losses for the war against such opponents, we had no communication in units on land, hence the shooting on our own both in the air and on land.

I then served in border guards, just on the border with Georgia, from Chechnya, in the Sharoy region, so one plane was bombed near one of our outposts. That would have hit, would have been a number. We have excellent pilots and planes, I didn’t get across Georgia))).

And Turkey, as in a computer game, shoots people and CAA equipment !!!

And the saddest thing is that we have not learned this Georgian lesson, Russia still does not have UAVs, and we are losing Su-25 attack aircraft with pilots.

All that Russia has in the troops from the UAV is crafts of the 80s !!!

Shame and shame. I have no other feelings from this story.

[svp67]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

All that Russia has in the troops from the UAV is crafts of the 80s !!!

Once again, are you an UAV specialist?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

7 aircraft, each worth $ 30-40 million = 210-250 million dollars. material damage, but the most important thing is the dead pilots.

Well, in vain you started it now ...

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Shame and shame. I have no other feelings from this story.

Your position has long been clear, and most importantly why you have started to "shed tears" and did not understand.
The main thing is that conclusions have been drawn from that story. Do you know how intensively our aerospace forces are used in Syria and what are the losses?

[pipetro]

So write, as if we lost that war, and did not completely crush the Georgian army, even if our army was not in the best condition. Tell us better how many planes the United States lost from the Taliban with outdated weapons.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And Turkey, as in a computer game, shoots people and CAA equipment !!!

You Turkish ? Or sympathizing with the caliphate !? You get paid for advertising Turkish weapons!?

[bayard]

Ratmir, you would still remember about the summer of 41. Already in seconds that "war" has been dismantled. 12 years ago. The General Staff moves to a new building, the new Defense Minister Serdyukov and President Medvedev, Putin in Beijing at the opening of the Olympics ... And the unpreparedness of the Army. Combat-ready planes from all over Russia were assembled in a hurry ... that's why they bombed who where - they didn't know the area.
And in Syria everything is normal. Yesterday, S-300 complexes were deployed to Alepo and Turkish drones were crumbling already at night. Turkish troops and their proxies are methodically destroyed by artillery and aircraft, the offensive continues in the south. The Turks also have big losses in technology too. These are all working moments.
The massive use of drones has led to large losses of the Syrian army, but now there is a guaranteed no-fly zone over Idlib, any aircraft are being lost, additional fighter aircraft forces have been deployed to Syria ... And the offensive continues in the south.
Impact drones in Russia are being tested and will soon be put into service, and those that are (reconnaissance / target designation) - in sufficient quantities.

I am generally surprised by the solidarity of some of our members of the forum of the Turkic ethno-linguistic group with modern Turkey. Up to 40% of the surnames of the Russian aristocracy had Tatar / Turkic roots. Remember the origin of Boris Godunov or even Ivan-4 the Terrible (by his mother) ... I have a Bashkir godfather and many friends of the Turks, including Azerbaijanis, and if you take a DNA analysis, then our Russian Turks are much closer to the Russians themselves than to Turkish Turks. There is a different kind of blood. And the language ... so in Europe, half of the population used to speak Russian, and now they are bothered with various exotic things ... gibberish is solid ... politics ... Here is my line on my mother - from the northern Urals and my grandfather spoke several Tatar dialects fluently , he was even often invited as a translator ... He is Russian. Thoroughbred, but he knew languages ​​perfectly, and being already in his advanced years complained "I wanted to talk to the local children - Tatar people in their language, but they don't understand ... where the world is heading, you can't talk to a Tatar in Tatar ..." what? Language is not an indicator of consanguinity. Here are the Crimean Tatars - they seem to be Tatars, and their language is Tatar, but they did a DNA analysis - R1A, Scythian snip ... They say that the whole aul / community walked - "they found out whose descendants we are."
And the Kyrgyz?
Wonderful people.
So they have a percentage of the Aryan haplogroup even more than the Russians - 70%. , just the ancestors of the Chinean brides stole themselves ... the border service ...
The Türks are from our root, the border guard of the Empire, and therefore mestizatsiya with Dravids occurred, hence the external differences.
But the Caucasian Tatars cannot be distinguished at all.
Or Mountain Bodakhshan.
And the Turkish Turks - from the Turkmen Seljuks went.
Take an interest in who and who Seljuk was ... and how much blood they pulled into themselves during their advancement through northern Persia, Armenia to Western Asia.
And think again: Scythians, who is this? How they looked and who their descendants are.

"And the Turks from the Russian clan - from the redheads such strength, the doubled root of a hero and a trot ... after all, the Turks have always been the mainstay of our throne, guardians of the borders, a great army ..." Written in Russian runes. Old Russian.

The Don and Kuban Cossacks at one time were called "Circassian Tatars" ... just the Circassians themselves converted to Islam, and the Cossacks - Orthodoxy ... The people are one, the clothes are one ...

And best illustrates this issue ... The hero of the war of 1812, a favorite of ALL RUSSIA Denis Ivanovich Davydov.
"Blessed memory of my ancestor Genghis Khan
grunt, mischievous with arshin mustache
On a Udar horse like a whirlwind before thunders
In a brilliant armor flew into an enemy camp
And powerfully dissected with a tartar hand
All that resisted the mighty hero ...
My blessed ancestor ... the same rude
Like his grandfather, the impudent Genghis Khan.
In a catman a little among the swords smashing
Hordes ruled in the fields by the thundering war
I burn with the same flame as Genghis Khan.
As my ancestor, my Batu, I hasten to swear
But to me a gracious count in French robes
To appear in the vanguard as a dandy for a walk
To tie a frill, to correct a hairdress
And show yourself a longhorn with a mustache ...
Pity the descendant of the poor Batu
And for the check accept his poems bad ...
\ 1810 D.I. Davydov arrived in the army to the war with the Turks. \

After all, my childhood passed (up to 9 years) in the village of my grandfather - the Cossack village (before the revolution) Khanzhino - clan. General Hanzhin - the descendant of the son of Genghis Khan - in translation means the Hand of the King. Representatives of the Khanzhin clan repeatedly became chieftains of the Ural and Orenburg troops ...
Therefore, when one of the Tatars or other Turks begins to say something superfluous to me, I begin to hum with an impudent look:
"Blessed memory of my ancestor Genghis Khan ..."
... This is the question of the Tatars and Turks in general ...
You’ll find horseradish (useful plant)!
I already know the descendants of Genghis Khan.

[Grits]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Given the fact that they fought against Georgia, which had one early warning radar and a couple of air defense divisions.

Considering. that they still don’t know exactly how many Su-25s the Georgians shot down, and how many of their own ...
But, after 080808 all the same, the conclusions were made, it must be admitted. And a serious reorganization of the army and the introduction of new weapons began from this understanding and precisely after that war.
I would like to hope that the current events will give a good kick to our industry and to our military in the appearance of not only reconnaissance, but also shock drones. And in the shortest possible time, not after 10 years of testing

[Business trip]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

That's about a dozen shot down Turkish UAVs, I did not see information, but dozens of destroyed equipment in Syria the other day I saw.

The other day in Libya Armor "planted" four drones. True, he himself died a heroic death. Some thirsty videos of the destruction of the Shell were passed off as Syria
Well, about dozens of destroyed equipment, let's see. From midnight, Syria declared a no-fly zone over Idlib.
PS. By chance, dear, have you heard anything about the lost Turkish helicopter, which "landed" very carelessly?

[gost2012]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Turkey cannot be scared by this BDK and two frigates, especially after such a successful application of UAVs in Idlib province by forgiving the SAA.
...
Shame and shame.

Stop the tantrum and wipe the monitor. Shame and disgrace are such comments to an adult man (you're an adult and a man, right?)
Well, the BDK is swimming through the strait according to its business, and is swimming. Why should he scare someone? Lucky something that is necessary and where it is necessary, and let it be lucky for itself, otherwise it went straight to the decay products

[New Year day]

Quote: Gost2012

Well, the BDK is swimming through the strait according to its business, and is swimming.

ships are WALKING

[gost2012]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Gost2012

Well, the BDK is swimming through the strait according to its business, and is swimming.

ships are WALKING

Guilty, of course, go. To me, a land civil rat, is excusable.

[Fishery]

)) always wondered why then the captain of the sea and not walking)

[Ivan_nick]

Ships used to sail, then they began to walk. Now fly - an aircraft.

[matross]

Ships go, sailors sail

[AVA77]

This is not Ryazan, this is an alarmist,
hi to you from the city of Ryazhsk
Sloppies are not in favor! Not everyone is like you on the ground
Ryazan!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

This is not Ryazan, this is an alarmist

And in your opinion everything is fine?

Turkey used only UAVs, caused enormous damage to the SAA, broke through the defenders of the attackers, occupied Serakib, and in response to the BDK we are still transporting equipment to Syria so that the skills of Turkish UAV operators can be raised to a new level.

The most unpleasant thing for me in this situation is that Turkey bypasses us in the whole sphere of the military-industrial complex, and Turkey’s military budget is 5 times less than the Russian one, while Turkey’s GDP is only 30% less than Russia’s GDP, despite the fact that we sell resources, and they are buying.

Russia was supposed to have strike UAVs even after 1982, after the Jews taught us a lesson called "Medvedka-19", smashing 19 Soviet air defense divisions into the trash using UAVs !!!

Now I do not panic, I am ashamed of Russia.

Turkey spends on the army 5% of the budget or 1,2% of GDP, Russia almost 20% of the budget and 3% of GDP.

The one who oversees in Russia everything related to UAVs is simply mediocrity or a traitor !!!

[Mestny]

And who is it?
Come on, don't pull it.

[AVA77]

I do not pull.
Who, Who. A horse in a coat.

[Same lech]

The most unpleasant thing for me in this situation is that Turkey bypasses us in the whole sphere of the military-industrial complex,

Impudent lie.

[AVA77]

Question or statement?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The most unpleasant thing for me in this situation is that Turkey bypasses us in the whole sphere of the military-industrial complex,

Impudent lie.

Really ?!

What does Russia have similar? Maybe somewhere already applied?

But Turkey applied, having beaten dozens of single SSA armored vehicles, and neither our Armor nor the S-300 could prevent this attack, the downed 1 ANKA-S was not an indicator, since the Turkish UAVs completed the task very successfully.

[Same lech]

But Turkey applied, having beaten dozens of single SSA armored vehicles,

Impudent lies ... the main losses of the CAA army are from the artillery of the Turks ... do not confuse a banana with a tram handle.
The question is on what basis the Turks get involved in hostilities with the Assad army.

[AVA77]

Ratmir_Ryazan
What does Russia have similar? Maybe somewhere already applied?
Yes apply the answer below.

And by the way, he's sternly handsome. He's like tt.

[AVA77]

Yes, in my opinion everything is fine! the testicle is good for Christ's Day! if now Russia and Syria have decided to go to the abank, and can afford it, YES IT WILL. If the Turks can show themselves and indicate their positions, let them do it, we will know what we are dealing with.

[Same lech]

There is no all-in ... there is systematic work on squeezing the Turks out of Syrian land ... Turkey is an occupier in Syria.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yes, in my opinion everything is fine!

What is great ?!

The offensive on Idlib choked, Turkey with drones destroys the equipment and soldiers of Syria by dozens and hundreds -

And by the way, he's sternly handsome. He's like tt.

But for the Turks, he’s just a target -

[Sergej1972]

Where did you get Turkish GDP information? In fact, according to the IMF and the World Bank, Turkey’s GDP at face value is exactly half that of Russia and almost half as much as PPP. And you write about some kind of difference of only 30%.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Now I do not panic, I am ashamed of Russia.

It’s mutual with Russia.

[PalladaTomsk]

As someone else, someone is trying to conduct a dialogue with you. Just for what? Turkey defeated our RF Armed Forces with drones? To scream so zealously that everything was lost and Turkey bypasses us in anything?
If a real military conflict starts between Turkey and Russia, be sure that drones will not help them.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

If a real military conflict starts between Turkey and Russia, be sure that drones will not help them.

And now that in Idlib is not a military conflict ?!

Turkey uses its UAVs and is very effective, according to various sources, there are about 10 of them in all, but we have nothing like that -

NOT!!!

10 UAVs of Turkey were blown to dust by the advancing Syrian Forces, and now we are trying to justify it.

There is no need to justify anything, it is necessary to punish for miscalculations !!! there was a lot of time, and we are making UAVs at the level of a school circle, and a lot of money has been spent on useless laser Relight and useless unmanned tanks -

Which did not show themselves.

The attack on Idlib for Russia is a shame and failure, because our weapons were disgraced, and the Syrians paid for it with blood and their lives.

Today, Turkey delivered the same UAVs to Ukraine, the consequences are obvious.

[16329]

And why is the news that the Turkish strike UAV was shot down in Syria a couple of days ago did not cause such a stir, by the way there were only 8 of them in Turkey, several more were shot down in Libya, so that now their number is much smaller
And the losses of the Syrians from UAVs are caused simply by low saturation of battle formations with air defense systems.

[vargo]

Perhaps the calmest and most succinctly substantive answer of all!
We must also understand what composition of the army the enemy has. If Turkey was not taken into account (or did not want to show what they pose as a threat), then no one closed the sky. And it seems like today the news was heard that the SSA are covering the sky over Idlib (I’m definitely not sure, I did not confirm the information). Here is the reaction.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And why the news that the Turkish strike UAV was shot down in Syria a couple of days ago did not cause such a stir

Yes, because the tactics of using UAVs implies that some of them will be shot down, since these are not maneuverable and not high-speed aircraft, but firstly they are without a pilot inside, and secondly they are much cheaper than the goals that they destroyed, Turkey makes them the third and now rivets them a hundred pieces, moreover, in a more advanced version.

And most importantly, the Turkish Armed Forces have completed the task - they foiled the offensive of Syria and Russia in Idlib.

And we chew snot and try to justify ourselves.

And do not make excuses, we must punish all those who are responsible, both for the operation in Idlib and for the disgusting production of UAVs in Russia.

Since 1982, since Operation Medvedka 19, since the destruction of 19 Soviet air defense battalions in Syria, the significant role of UAVs in modern combat was obvious, but for 40 years, the most "cool" of our UAVs today is Orlan -

Shame and shame.

[polar fox]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And in your opinion everything is fine?

not swords, beads ... they all throw their socks off the couch. true, if any real kneading begins, all as one, "incurably ill" and cannot be summoned ...

[smile]

Ratmir_Ryazan
1. your words - Turkey caused great damage ......- Turkey caused damage .... yes .... not huge .... to the Syrians .... acceptable, albeit unpleasant ..... troops battle-worthy, chopped off five to eight more territory in the southern part of Idlib province and ten times more population than lost in the Sarakib area ...... yeah and the Turkish army suffered serious damage too - not huge, just the same but unpleasant ..... to the same extent ....
But the pro-Turkish forces suffered damage ... and yes - HUGE .... who will feed Idlib now, if the evil agricultural owners of these lands, the Syrians, cut off the entire agricultural component of the province? What, Turks? :)))))
2. Yes, it is likely that the short-range air defense systems didn’t manage to bring Idlib in time in Syria, - there are a limited number of armored vehicles — they are being pulled out, including, unfortunately, Israel ........
In general, there is only one continuous air defense system on the planet - in the Russian Federation ....... of course, the Syrians choose - where to send such systems .... I think you should know that in Libya 4-5 were destroyed last week -Bayraktar reconnaissance vehicles, plus 2-3 reconnaissance .... yeah, but do you know how many similar UAVs are in service with Turkey? Yeah, as a hint, there were eight bayraktars ........ it was ..... yeah, but in response, the Turks still killed the Saudi export version of the shell .... one ... 6)))) But, they could, honor and praise .... it’s only bad that they immediately lied that they killed her both in Libya and Syria .... but this is particular .... :)))) And we don’t care .. .. do not care that they immediately lied about that! What a PMC Wagner! shot down Turkish UAVs! with the help of Saudi export shells! .... will you joke yourself or will you dodge? :))))
3. The speed of UAV production in warring Turkey is impressive. Not big. Rather, they produce less than a month than lose a day in Libya .... :))))) But the application is quite successful and interesting in terms of the effectiveness of these systems. And counter them .....
But they have no chance at all. They can spoil, reverse the course of events - no.
Turkish normal aviation, which would be able to turn the tide, does not let the evil RF enter Syria - these are the Turks say so. As they didn’t let in before. The Syrians quickly take off their UAVs - pulling up their air defense systems, which were not there until now. Given that Turkey has very few strike UAVs ... then .....
The Syrians feel sorry ... yes ... but, aphids ... they fight for their homeland, and we only help them .... and there are too few of us to fight for everyone ..... they are too much carried out, defending their independence in order to sour from shock drones or hundreds of KR .....
Although the shock drones acquired by Ukraine so far have not yet begun to be mastered ....- this is, apparently, questions for the guys fighting with Russia. But one should take into account their application and count on opposition to this case in the Donbass ... I suppose - already all who needed to draw conclusions - they were made.
4. I saw pictures of medium-range air defense systems that Turkey placed on its borders defiantly ... yeah ... I cried :))) - and you are not too lazy - look - you will neigh ....... more ancient complexes, apparently in Turkey was not found ... Adnak byad ...

such cases

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yes, I don’t care what they shoot down and say in Libya, I see the huge efficiency of Turkish UAVs in Idlib in the sky, which somehow controls Russia with its air defense systems starting with the S-400, which should give a picture of the entire air situation and Su-30 fighters / 34/35 and Syria itself, having in service again the Russian S-300, BUKi and Carapace air defense systems.

And all this costs billions of dollars !!!

And Turkey, having 10 UAVs Anka-S, smashed offensive forces of Syria, and Russia could not help them. Our vaunted falcons on the vaunted Su-35 could not protect the Syrians in the Syrian sky.

And Erdogan is not going to stop, he is on a horse, he does everything he wants in Syria, with scanty forces, and we are shaking it with our S-400/300 and other air defense systems and fighters, but to no avail.

So much for the Su-35 and S-400 radars, which are visible at 400-600 km, and have supersonic missiles in service, but against composite UAVs with a 150-horsepower engine and a speed of 200 km / h - ALL IT IS USEFUL AND EXPENSIVE TRASH!!!

Responsible persons must be PUNISHED for the failure of the offensive in Idlib and for the failure of the strike UAV project in Russia.

[Grits]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Shame and shame.

I will support you in this

[Same lech]

I will support you in this

I absolutely do not support such statements.
The Turks are in a foreign territory ... Syria ... with only one purpose to chop off a piece of its land from Syria ... and it seems that there are some who support it in this endeavor.

[Grits]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

I absolutely do not support such statements.

Actually, I meant that it’s embarrassing and shameful for a Russian army to not have enough drones. And especially not to have drums at all. Our military and industrialists at one time did not catch the situation, having enormous scientific potential

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I absolutely do not support such statements.

Turks are in a foreign territory ...

Exactly the Turks on foreign territory are smashing Syrian troops, Russia has a bunch of air defense systems and fighters with AWACS aircraft, satellites and other things, but all this could not protect from 10 pieces of Anka-S UAVs.

That's where shame and shame !!!

[Same lech]

Even Turkey with a military budget of $ 10 billion has bypassed us in the field of UAVs for several years.

Not true...
there were articles on VO about drones of Turkey ...

The first drone to enter service with Turkey was the modified Bayraktar TB2 reconnaissance vehicle.

Not the highest characteristics of this device .. 50 kg of bomb load ... cat's tears ... why are you misinforming members of the forum about the outstanding capabilities of Turkish UAVs ... this is not so.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Not true...
there were articles on VO about drones of Turkey ...
The first drone to enter service with Turkey was the modified Bayraktar TB2 reconnaissance vehicle.

Not the highest characteristics of this device .. 50 kg of bomb load ... cat's tears ...

Is that cat's tears? Is this your weak performance? -

[Same lech]

More reminiscent of artillery attacks on a drone aiming ... maybe howitzers are beating.
Armored vehicles with a bomb of 25 kg are not so striking.

[Fishery]

beautifully laid

[fruit_cake]

lush bot caught

[Grits]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Not the highest characteristics of this device .. 50 kg of bomb load ... cat's tears ... why are you misinforming members of the forum about the outstanding capabilities of Turkish UAVs ... this is not so.

Unfortunately, these characteristics allow you to kill the Syrian soldiers and quite accurately and closely.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Turkey cannot be scared by this BDK and two frigates, especially after such a successful application of UAVs in Idlib province by forgiving the SAA.

well, they didn't scare me, but a couple of "swans" or "bears" flying south will definitely scare you ...

[Lord of the Sith]

A shame?
It’s obvious to the child:
A) Russia, unlike Turkey, is all in sanctions like Watchdog in fleas
B) Turkey, as a NATO country, has access to technology. They have long been doing practically nothing on their own, together cheaper and more efficient. And Russia in this regard by itself, we have to do everything ourselves.

Yes and not so bad with Russian UAVs.

[Dikson]

Shit with a UAV with us .. don’t heal .. 10! For years in a row I watched a picture of how cunning guys from some company dragged their crafts at all kinds of exhibitions at the level of aircraft modeling .. trying to sell their pepelats to the Ministry of Emergencies, then to the military, then to foresters ... and for 10 years they haven’t changed their stuffing, no engine, nothing .. But you can talk about Wunderwafer as a Hunter for another ten years ... About 080808, too, a lot of the right things were said .. There is no connection between the parts .. Interaction .. again ... The Defense Ministry simply merged at the very beginning cottages .. the command in the first hours from a personal cell phone at their own expense - that’s all our general staff was working ... otherwise they would not have taken the tunnel .. And then the race generals began to command ..

[Lord of the Sith]

Yeah, that's only in our Donbass, UAVs of Russian production are quite effectively used.
I don’t know what you saw there at the exhibitions, but I saw in combat use.

[Grits]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Yeah, that's only in our Donbass, UAVs of Russian production are quite effectively used.

Drums? Enlighten.

[Lord of the Sith]

No, I won’t educate, for a good reason (don’t talk!).
And personally, I did not do this. Unless I saw.

[Grits]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

No, I won’t educate, for a good reason (don’t talk!).
And personally, I did not do this. Unless I saw.

Of course, I understand that you know the situation in the Donbass much better than me, but, excuse me, I do not believe it. There can be no Russian drone drone in the Donbass due to the complete absence of such in production. So far only in trials

[Lord of the Sith]

Yes, do not believe, I will not convince.
Only TTX read Russian drones))

[Dikson]

Well, if you saw in combat work .. Only what you saw should have entered the troops at the beginning of the century .. What we now call rearmament and the introduction of technologies in the army reminds me of a picture (again, from what then a loudly named economic event .. Innovations, revolutions, technological breakthroughs and so on ..) - two energetic young men demonstrated the wonders of a cheap Chinese 3-D printer, under the fashionable name "Technopark, Russia, .. we will defeat everyone .." An innovative Chinese machine under the strict guidance of advanced techno-revolutionaries, he cheerfully churned out plastic combs .. The Governor and other guests were delighted .. Well, okay .. I know about myself - "boots in battle are more reliable" .. this quote from the film, in my opinion, best expresses the essence of all innovations and modernizations in our army today .. It's a shame that from a country that was ahead of the whole world in many industries, we turned into a feverish catching up, hopelessly lagging behind a participant in the race .. And in this case, the phrase that the main thing is not victory, but participation is bad consolation ..

[Genry]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Turkey will not be scared, especially after such a successful use of UAVs in Idlib province by forgiving CAA

Most of the personnel using Turkish UAVs turned out to be records from exercises and do not have topographic references in Syria.
After such a discovery, real shots appeared, but of a completely different video quality, with the possibility of visual reference. But they have nothing to do with the list of targets hit.

[Simargl]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

This BDK and two frigates do not scare Turkey

Ah, so it was an action to intimidate Turkey?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

especially after such a successful UAV application in Idlib province by forgiving CAA

Syrian Arab Army ... Russian frigates and BDK ... Syrian Arab Army ... Russian frigates and BDK ...
... tell me the connection: how the use of UAVs against SAA can frighten a frigate? Well, the captain will be sad that the SAA commanders did not cover the air defense march, so what?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Even Turkey, with a military budget of $ 10 billion, has bypassed us in the field of UAVs for several years, or maybe a decade !!! This is just a shame.

Well bypassing you, so what? ISIS, which is prohibited in the Russian Federation, bypasses its Chinese UAVs, which are successfully disposed of on approach to significant objects.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Does our MO have at least some analysts and strategists in planning future operations ?!

Guess!

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Or is everyone hoping for atomic missiles ?!

Ah, got it! yulya bit. "Atomic missiles" is her style.
If air defense is given in technical terms ... atomic missiles have not yet been invented.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Well, they helped in Idlib ?!

I repeat: no one has nuclear missiles. CAA has no atomic and chemical weapons at all. So ... no, they didn’t help, because missing.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The war of 2008 and the huge losses in the attack and bomber aircraft against the scanty army of Georgia did not teach anything to our leadership.

The concentration of forces of scanty Georgia in the operational direction was comparable to the concentration of forces in the Second World War. And you also need to take into account the inciting "helpers".

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The child's obvious effectiveness of UAVs as a means of defeating enemy armored vehicles and artillery

But who will argue? Only, as indicated above, this axiom is not embedded in the heads (or not well-written) of the CAA commanders who did not care about covering the columns.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

but no, Russia still has the most advanced UAV copy of the one that Israel made in the 80s

"Hunter" will soon be adopted. Israel has not done this yet ...

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Shame and shame.

Well, then wash!

[Grits]

Quote: Simargl

"Hunter" will soon be adopted. Israel has not done this yet ...

So not only the Hunter will be soon adopted. And soon Orion, Alithus and much more will be accepted. But soon. But there will be.
And you need it now. The hunter will probably be tested in terms of no less than PAK-FA. Here is such an offensive, but real deal.

[Simargl]

Quote: Gritsa

And you need it now. The hunter will probably be tested in terms of no less than PAK-FA.

So what's the problem?
UAVs against a trained enemy - conditionally dangerous.
UAV against notprepared enemy - dangerous, even civilian option.
Russia has drones against the enemy notprepared to deal with them. They may be old Israeli clones, but they do their job. What a UAV should be to "work" with a trained enemy is not entirely clear in today's realities.
So ... rivet superhorn UAVs of the "Hunter" type to counter the barmaley is nonsense, and rivet them, not knowing how he will behave when countering the air defense of partners who have all the means of dealing with almost any UAV (we do not talk about quality) ...
So which UAVs do we need?
And how does the production of UAVs for the Russian Defense Ministry correlate with the plumes of the SAA column on the march from the UAV?

[icant007]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Does our MO have at least some analysts and strategists in planning future operations ?!

All the best analysts and strategists are here at VO)

[DMB 75]

Seven feet under the keel, Orsk! Happy to walk!

[svp67]

Quote: DMB 75

Seven feet under the keel, Orsk! Happy to walk!

The main thing is that he didn’t go empty to Syria

[Grits]

Quote: svp67

The main thing is that he didn’t go empty to Syria

The main thing is that not yet through Gibraltar

[Mountain shooter]

Ammunition and equipment carried? The Syrians need it, the consumption is big ... Yesterday, customers from Turkey urgently transferred an advance payment for the equipment ... With the words - "what if the Sultan is in the head!" Something like this ... the sultan is not popular at home. Hinders business very much. Caused a US attack on the Turkish lira.

[Kleber]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Something like this ... the Sultan in the homeland is not popular

And where is he generally popular?

[open]

Now all the leaders are not popular, this is the norm.

[vargo]

It is impossible to please everyone, you will always be someone sideways. Well, the degree of hostility is a floating indicator)

[Termit1309]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The child's obvious effectiveness of UAVs as a means of defeating enemy armored vehicles and artillery

Perhaps it’s obvious to the child. With age, this goes away.

[Retvizan 8]

My subjective opinion: I would rather the Turks "settle" and pacify this conflict.
In fact, cooperation in the economic sphere is beneficial both for us and Turkey,
but not like a war game in which neither we nor they receive benefits.
And only the Hegimons will benefit from this, who immediately began to "add fuel to the fire" and whisper in the Turks' ears: "America is with you" ...
I hope Erdogan will be smarter and not lead to this bullshit.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

My subjective opinion: I would rather the Turks "settle" and pacify this conflict.

How? Give Idlib? With this approach, in 10 years Crimea will have to be given to the Turks.

[bessmertniy]

It is hard to imagine who, in economic terms, could lose more from a break in relations - Turkey or Russia. However, if it closes the straits, then not a single tomato from Turkey can penetrate our border.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Retvizan 8

My subjective opinion: I would rather the Turks "settle" and pacify this conflict.
In fact, cooperation in the economic sphere is beneficial both for us and Turkey,
but not like a war game in which neither we nor they receive benefits.
And only the Hegimons will benefit from this, who immediately began to "add fuel to the fire" and whisper in the Turks' ears: "America is with you" ...
I hope Erdogan will be smarter and not lead to this bullshit.

In general, I agree that it is economically beneficial to be friends, but there are things that cannot be measured in money, this is terrorism. If you leave Idlib near Turkey, then this hotbed of terrorism will spread no worse than ISIS, since no one will bomb them, the militants will build up their forces, train new "followers" and then attack the cities of Syria, the Syrian army and our military bases in Syria. Do you know what is the worst thing? If these militants go home to share their "experience" in the CIS countries, new terrorist cells will appear. Few people pay attention to this side of the issue, mainly the discussion is about the restoration of the territorial integrity of Syria, relations between Turkey and Russia and this conflict, but in fact there are many such pitfalls here. Therefore, we cannot bend with Idlib and terrorists need to be destroyed, regardless of whether they are pro-Turkish or not. And Turkey prevents us from doing this, here's the thing .... and if ours is called to bend in the negotiations on this issue on March 5-6, then this will come back to haunt in the future, but I hope that Russia will be able to defend its position and continue to destroy the bearded outside depending on their color.

PS And in general, I hope that over time the Turks will be knocked out of Syrian territory altogether, and if they are economically friends with Turkey, then it is not at the expense of Syria.

[KVK1]

If Idlib is left under Turkey, then this hotbed of terrorism

Well, in Russia they know well how to fight terrorism. Not so long ago, the center of terrorism was in the south of Russia, and even fought with the Russian troops, and carried out terrorist attacks. Then, who needed the Heroes, who needed the money, who needed what it needed .... And now there is no hotbed of terrorism, on the contrary. Everything is simple and without shooting.

[Husit]

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

interestingly, in the Soviet Union they planned to do such things, a very interesting concept

No, you were mistaken .. There has never been such a thing!

[Livonetc]

And here is an interesting point.
It seems that all the cargo is in the hold.
Not as before, the sheathed equipment was also on deck and everyone was trying to determine what kind of cargo was on board.
Now the geese are not teased.

[Grits]

Quote: Livonetc

And here is an interesting point.
It seems that all the cargo is in the hold.

I was also immediately interested in what was on the deck? I think the Turks are even more interested. Though. Automotive equipment and could put on the deck.

[Husit]

Well, the old man BDK "Orsk" is bringing "surprises" to Syria again. there are still ahead of him .. Well, seven feet under the keel and no submarines ..

[KVK1]

Well, the old man BDK "Orsk" again brings "surprises" to Syria .. wink there is still ahead of him

I have a question as a "non-marine" person (although there is a caperang classmate, I must ask him too)
and if Erdogan still closes the straits (well, he’s crazy), what will our ships do? How will they return to Russian ports? Do they have enough fuel, etc. for a hike around Europe?
the "bomb the strait" options are for kids.
But really, they must think through the headquarters of all the options, even the most unfavorable.

[Kleber]

Remember the words of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR Andrei Gromyko: "Instead of the Bosphorus, we can make two more straits, only here, unfortunately, there will be no Istanbul."

[KVK1]

so I immediately wrote, options with bombing, this is for children
serious people don’t even consider such options

[Kleber]

Those. USSR Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko was not a serious person?

[polar fox]

Quote: Kleber

Remember the words of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR Andrei Gromyko:

so it was in the USSR. and this is Gromyko, "mister no." and now the cooperative "lake".

[Grits]

Quote: KVK1

and if Erdogan still closes the straits (well, he’s crazy), what will our ships do? How will they return to Russian ports? Do they have enough fuel, etc. for a hike around Europe?

Of course, they will swim to the house. But immediately the cost of such collateral increases sharply. First you need to send your tankers from the Baltic. And then to form a whole formation, where there will be not only warships, but also tankers and supply vessels and tugs. And all this will amicably ply around Europe.
True, the experience of 1905 suggests that serious transitions are not always good ...

[KVK1]

here I am about the same

but also tankers and supply vessels and tugs

it is possible to organize fuel production in Syria, but, in a combat situation, all this will be very vulnerable
shipping cost will increase at times
The motor resources of the vessels that will participate in this will allow you to do more than one trip without intermediate repairs?
the campaign of "Admiral Kuznetsov" in 2016 ended with the actual loss of the aircraft carrier
is the "game of the candle" worth?
Is it worth losing part of the Russian fleet?

[Grits]

Quote: KVK1

it is possible to organize fuel production in Syria, but, in a combat situation, all this will be very vulnerable

In general, for good, you need to have agreements with Syria for the supply of fuel and lubricants and food. And it’s more convenient for us and they don’t get any money.

[KVK1]

so it is necessary to either restore or rebuild the oil refining, and even in the necessary volumes, and even protect against sabotage (and the oil refinery can burn very well)
what would build-restore need (except money) personnel ...
Is this, again, send our civilians there under bullets and bombs?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: KVK1

and if Erdogan still closes the straits (well, he’s crazy), what will our ships do?

In 1936, the Montreux Convention established the sovereignty of Turkey over the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles.
Article 20 of the Convention states that during the war in which Turkey is participating, the passage of warships through the straits depends exclusively at the discretion of the Turkish government.
Article 21 states that the same limitation is possible in a situation where Turkey considers itself "under the threat of imminent military danger." But this must be proved at the UN. It is doubtful that the United Nations, in such an explosive situation in the Middle East, would agree to acknowledge this.

[Dikson]

Why do submarines? enough rusty fishing troughs with a neutral flag .. Well, sailors drank, slept in the opposite direction .. yes in a bottleneck .. In principle, the Turks don’t have to officially block anything .. - you can always put the rusty insured felucca under course .. - losses on penny, and ours - a lot of problems ...

[Ros 56]

The ship named after my city, damn it, a trifle, but nice. But not only this is famous for Orsk.

[major071]

Hello fellow countryman! All the glories of Orsk, as a city awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor, remained in the Soviet past. Not a single enterprise remained afloat. All plants: YuUMZ, OMZ, Nickel Plant, etc. destroyed, from the OZTP there were just ruins, but they built entertainment centers. The city is dying, the natural influx of residents comes only from visitors from the countryside and Kazakhstan, and young people are scattering.

[Ros 56]

I am aware of all these events, sadly however. It remains only to remember.

[Grits]

Quote: major071

Hello fellow countryman! hi All the glory of Orsk, as a city awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor, remained in the Soviet past. Not a single enterprise remained afloat. All plants: YuUMZ, OMZ, Nickel Plant, etc. destroyed, from the OZTP there were just ruins, but they built entertainment centers. The city is dying, the natural influx of residents comes only from visitors from the countryside and Kazakhstan, and young people are scattering.

Do you think so only in Orsk?
Somehow a friend came from the west of the country and noticed. Says, guys, of course, I heard that the development of the Far East is going on, that there is such a powerful program with a lot of money. But looking around, I don’t understand - either I’m completely (...........) stupid or you are very cruelly (...........) deceived

[polar fox]

Quote: Ros 56

But not only this is famous for Orsk.

oga))) even Reimer, as we called his employees, "Orsk refrigerators"))) Sanya notoriously in Samara "naughty" ...

[Ros 56]

I found someone to talk about. It has long been necessary to the wall.

[polar fox]

Quote: Ros 56

It has long been necessary to the wall.

it is impossible ... his "guarantor" claimed)))

[tihonmarine]

As a result of the strike, more than 30 Turkish army soldiers died, Ankara accused Russia of involvement in the strike.

Well, Erdogan sent them there, and there is demand from him.

[Doctor]

Syria. Entrance ruble - exit two.

[Livonetc]

Right.
Going out to the Turks will be hard.
But the longer they shit there, the more "martyrs" they have.
Only the cemeteries of "martyrs" do not consolidate the Turkish society.
Rather the opposite.

[Business trip]

We wrote above that it became known that most of the videos from the UAV are videos from the exercises. After that, videos of much poor quality appeared, which cannot be tied to a specific territory. And the video with the destroyed Shell is generally Libya. And then: "Two self-propelled guns imported one tank ...."
And about the use of UAVs in modern conflicts ... I absolutely agree - an effective "thing"

[Grits]

Quote from rudolf

I was also unpleasantly surprised how the Turks effectively used their UAVs. And the accuracy of the blows.

Can you imagine how this surprised our military? Probably still in shock and do not know what to do about it. There is no means to deal with them. A thrashing good.

[fruit_cake]

But how else can UAVs be used against ground forces that do not expect this and are not prepared? now they know what to do and the situation will not be so effective

[Protos]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Are you a specialist in the field of military UAVs?

Well, if you do not know, of course I can - 4 Su-25, Su-24M, Su-24MR, Tu-22M3. Few?! Given the fact that they fought against Georgia, which had one early warning radar and a couple of air defense divisions.

3-Su-25
1- Su24MR
1- Tu22MR
There were radars ...
Ukraine in 2007 delivered by sea anti-aircraft missile division 9K37M1 "Buk-M1" "(SA-11), consisting of a command post (CP zrdn) and three anti-aircraft missile batteries.
Eight combat vehicles SAM 9K33M2 "Osa-AK (two batteries) and six (according to some sources ten) 9K33M3" Osa-AKM.
Ukraine sold to Georgia two modern radars 36D6-M, which were deployed in Tbilisi and Savshevebi near Gori. Three-coordinate radar 36D6-M with a detection range of air targets up to 360 km. developed by the Iskra company (Zaporozhye, Ukraine), and is the result of a deep modernization of the Soviet radar ST-68U (19Zh6), which was put into service in 1980 and used with the S-300P (SA-10) air defense system.
Ukraine has supplied the Kolchuga-M passive electronic reconnaissance system capable of detecting modern aircraft by the radiation of their radars and communications equipment, including those using stealth technologies.
Ukrainian company Aerotekhnika modernized obsolete Georgian P-18 radars, creating a version (P-180U) , which boils down to a brand new, modern two-coordinate radar station
According to information recently published in Ukraine, only four sets of Kolchuga-M station and one electronic warfare station "Mandat"... Three Kolchuga-M stations combined into a complex are capable of providing a reconnaissance front of up to 1000 kilometers. Let us recall the main characteristics of the system.

The maximum detection range of onboard radiation carriers, depending on the operating mode, is from 200 to 600 kilometers. By radiation from radars and other systems, Mail is able to accurately identify aircraft and set the operation mode of their radar stations (the task being performed). At the same time, the complex can accompany up to two hundred targets, providing information on digital displays in real time. Information about the location, course and speed of the target allows target designation for active air defense systems without unmasking them with the operation of their own radar.
Kolchuga is produced by the Topaz plant in Donetsk and was delivered to Georgia in May 2008. We will remind earlier that Ukraine was severely criticized by the United States for the delivery of "Kolchuga" to China, Iraq and Iran.
From Bulgaria, the Transcaucasian republic received 12 ZU-23-2M anti-aircraft guns, four ZSU-23-4 "Shilka", 500 missiles for Igla MANPADS.

According to the UN Register of Conventional Arms, Poland has supplied 30 MANPADS "Thunder" (improved "Igla-1) and 100 missiles to it.

United States delivered ASR-12 radars from The Northrop Grumman. The radar operates in the range 2.7 - 2.9 GHz, the pulse power is 22 kW, the radiation pattern width is 1, 4 degrees, the range resolution is 210 m (700 ft), the antenna rotation is 10/12/15 rpm. The indicator has three scales 60/80/100 NM (nautical miles) or 100/130/160 km.
Georgia also acquired one battery of the new Israeli air defense system "Spider-SR" (Spyder-SR) before the start of the August war of 2008 and used in the course of hostilities. Unlike the Spider-SR complex delivered by the Israelis to India, a cheaper complex was delivered to Georgia, which included four launchers with rail guides on which missiles were placed without transport launch containers.
Turkey set an early warning system for an air attack and control of anti-aircraft weapons "Skywatcher", which was integrated into the system for receiving information from American tracking systems and NATO, 50 Pakistan-made Anza-2 MANPADS. In fact, this is the main link that provides information from passive and active means of reconnaissance, which ensured the issuance of target designation to active air defense systems without putting them on the air.
In 2006, the Ukrainian company Aerotechnika linked all the Georgian military, four civilian radar systems for air traffic control and electronic intelligence systems "Kolchuga-M" into a single system of the National Air Management (ASOC - Air Sovereignty Operations Center).
ASOC Central Command Post is located in Tbilisi and In the spring of 2008, it was connected to NATO's ASDE (Air Situation Data Exchange) system through Turkey, which allowed Georgia to receive air traffic data directly from the NATO integrated air defense system.
One radar ... STORYTELLER

[Sarcasm]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Well, if you do not know, of course I can - 4 Su-25, Su-24M, Su-24MR, Tu-22M3. Few?!

As far as I know, one of the "dry" on account of our "anti-aircraft gunners". And yes, this is not small, but not huge losses, as you said ...

For 5 days of the war against Georgia, this is not a huge loss ?! 7 aircraft, each worth $ 30-40 million = 210-250 million dollars. material damage, but the most important thing is the dead pilots.

Ah, Georgia bought a couple of radars, and several BUKs, but what a meanness on their part))) Now, if Georgia had absolutely no air defense, then we would have shown them. Yes?!

Does Russia have intelligence at least somewhere besides headquarters and offices ?! What does she do?! Instead of satellites, what are they launching into space ?! Is this some kind of surprise that Georgia had air defense ?! there the situation was heating up for several months !!! And still, we were unprepared.

Apart from the final result, our operation in Georgia was essentially a failure, we suffered enormous losses for the war against such opponents, we had no communication in units on land, hence the shooting on our own both in the air and on land.

I then served in border guards, just on the border with Georgia, from Chechnya, in the Sharoy region, so one plane was bombed near one of our outposts. That would have hit, would have been a number. We have excellent pilots and planes, I didn’t get across Georgia))).

And Turkey, as in a computer game, shoots people and CAA equipment !!!

And the saddest thing is that we have not learned this Georgian lesson, Russia still does not have UAVs, and we are losing Su-25 attack aircraft with pilots.

All that Russia has in the troops from the UAV is crafts of the 80s !!!

Shame and shame. I have no other feelings from this story.

There is no sense in screaming ...
Downed the pilots? - Moms give birth. When did people appreciate us?
Are airplanes expensive? - and we have them. They got from the USSR, now it’s starting to reach idiots WHAT has got, how VALUABLE it is and what it needs to be saved. Now, after all, we see how hard the rearmament program is, how expensive and difficult it is, even with the backlog and the legacy of the USSR and based on its technologies, to create a full fifth-generation fighter, to launch and put into service at least 100 units.
We are upgrading once again in essence the BTR-60 and BMP-1.
Remind me how many years have passed since the collapse of the USSR? Name at least one type of sophisticated weapons and equipment created in the country from scratch? ...
Therefore, there is no need to shout and resent, everything is as always our tradition.

And about UAVs, yes, the country, Azerbaijan, the former Soviet Socialist Republic, smaller than most of our regions and territories, has more modern and advanced weapons. Well, here's a simple example, who apart from the most advanced, have heard about kamikaze drones? - I personally saw them for the first time and read them only after the next war in Karabakh. They have it, but we don’t even have the horse lying around there, but this is as always - until the thunder strikes, the man does not cross himself.

[Sarcasm]

We supply weapons and support Assad, Assad killed the Turkish military ... if this is the logic, then the Turks will block the strait, the question is when. Who has any forecasts on the timing.

Only if Mona without shouting about the fact that we are burning them to nuclear ashes and our proud Varyag team rumbles exactly in a narrow neck.

[Victor March 47]

Lies. Officially, Turkey does not blame Russia. There are stuffings of such a version of individual warriors. A statement made by the highest authorities of Turkey will put them in a trap position from which there is no way out. If you admit such an attack, then Turkey is obliged to respond. And this is the unfolding of a war with a nuclear power, and, given the US statement that the problems of the Turks are their problems, and recent, to put it mildly, very pacifying words that we will help, but for which there is no real action, makes them lonely. DO NOT answer is to disfigure a face. Both that, and another is bad. Therefore there was nothing. And will we see.

[flicker]

This is the first trip of the Orsk large landing craft to the Mediterranean Sea this year.
Earlier, two Russian frigates "Admiral Makarov" and "Admiral Grigorovich" passed through the straits in front of the BDK.

They are bringing "goodies".
You can then warn the Turkish side that we intend to fire at terrorists with all available means, including long-range aviation. Offer Erdogan to remove all Turkish troops from Idlib, in order to avoid unnecessary losses, and give the Turks time 24 hours. And then grind all the terrorists to hell with dogs.
The main thing we have warned.

[Guru]

The Syrian Express in action, it may even be that extreme flight. Lucky something Oooooochen necessary.