Bull skin and wooden slippers: clothes of hunters and warriors of the Stone Age


One of the advantages of Soviet school textbooks on stories for the 5th and 6th grades there were beautiful color illustrations, real paintings, which cannot be replaced completely with color photographs in modern textbooks. And children need such a bright and colorful picture so that they can make a story on it, or at least describe it with articulate words. Here, as you see, our very, most distant ancestors are depicted. Since they lived in Africa, where it was warm and damp, they did not know clothes for a long time!


“And the Lord God made leather clothes for Adam and his wife ...”
Genesis 3: 21


Culture of clothes. We are starting a new topic, so to speak, of a cultural and educational plan, designed for the widest audience and devoted to such an aspect of the material culture of mankind as clothing. We will consider the most different clothes. Ancient clothes - time travel, and clothes more or less modern, but of different countries, different from ours - travel in space; clothes for the world and for war ... Well, we will begin by looking at the most ancient clothes of mankind - the clothes of the Stone Age.


But this is the Neolithic era. Crops are reaped with a sickle with flint inserts, on the man’s shoulder there is a drilled stone ax, women have ceramic dishes, a cow, a pig and a dog are domesticated, people know the fabric ...

To begin with, archaeological finds allow us to state quite convincingly that clothes were known to our ancestors already in the Paleolithic era. But the most important sources of information about the clothes of this era are the cave paintings found in Spain and the south of France. Modern ethnological comparisons of the life of people of the Stone Age and primitive peoples, which until now still retain their "savage" cultural level, also have a certain meaning. Although, of course, it is impossible to completely compare it. Then and now these are still completely different historical eras, and what is now can only give us a hint, no more.

Bull skin and wooden slippers: clothes of hunters and warriors of the Stone Age
Dogu. Gimet Museum in Paris. Many horizontal slots in the eyes of these statuettes are considered by many to be snow glasses, since they look like “glasses” worn by Inuit to protect their eyes from the reflection of the sun in the snow. But maybe it's the closed eyelids of people in the world of the dead? A hairstyle with crown-shaped hair adorns the head, the nose is represented only by a hole between two eyes without eyebrows. The body with harmonious bends, wide hips and shoulders, is elongated and decorated with the image of spirals. Such dogu most often found in the northern regions of Japan at the end of the Jomon era, mainly in the areas of Tohoku and Kanto in Aomori Prefecture. Interestingly, the analysis of clay showed that they were made at low temperature (800 ° C) and that they are hollow inside. Usually they are found in graves near villages, sometimes they are deliberately defeated and scattered, possibly for religious purposes. Their feminine forms may connect them with the cult of fertility, and their goal is the connection between the supernatural world and the earthly world. Interestingly, in the next period of Japanese history, the Yayoi period (300 BC - 300 AD), this type of figurine completely disappears. That is why, along with ceramics, they are one of the most typical forms of Jomon art.

But if we summarize everything that we know from finds and monuments of art about the clothes of the Stone Age, we find a curious fact that the two most important items of clothing of today, a women's skirt and men's trousers, were invented by people of the Stone Age. Also, by the way, like a sewing needle, which was also already known in the Paleolithic era. Moreover, the eye of these bone needles could be as thin as a modern steel needle. And since there are needles, it can be assumed that they sewed something!


"The Great God of the Martians" from the Sahara. I don’t know how God is, and how great he is, except that by its size. But clearly this image says only one thing. What clothes the ancient inhabitants of the Sahara ... had!


But there was not one “god” there, but in the company of the same “gods” he participated in a dance procession. For some reason, alien lovers do not remember about this picture ... Probably, due to its frivolity. A kind of African letka-yenka ...


And this is the “Running Horned Woman” from the Sahara, Tassili Ager. Age: 6000-4000 years. BC.


People already knew the bow and arrows ... This is the same place and the same time ...

But what exactly was sewn up - that’s the question? And they sewed the skin and skins of animals. When it became colder on the planet or people themselves wandered to where the change of seasons took place, they naturally began to warm up. The meat of the slaughtered animals obtained by the hunters belonged to the entire tribe. This was the key to his survival. But it was impossible to divide the skin between the whole tribe, and it was from this that ancient types of clothing began to be made. At first, they simply wrapped it around the hips to cover the dangling shameful parts, which in the same forests otherwise got both from branches and from animals. That is why the skirt, short or long, was so popular with many peoples, from the ancient Egyptians to the inhabitants of Europe, who were drowned in Danish swamps in the Bronze Age.


And here is the "woman from the movie" Million Years BC "of 1966. Famous actress Rachel Welch. So dressed in the stone age?


The skin of a deer from which such bikinis were sewn. Tlingit Indians. National Museum of the American Indian, Washington

If we look at the famous frescoes of Tassili Ager in the Sahara, it will be obvious that already in the Mesolithic and Neolithic era people used a variety of types of clothing, and there’s nothing to say about jewelry. Even in children's burials of this period, drilled shells are found, and by no means in the neck area. And if so, then they were sewn onto some decayed clothes, that is, even the children had those clothes, and she was decorated.


Aleutian park could well be the primitive clothes of people of the glaciation era. National Museum of the American Indian, Washington


Buckskin Comanche Shirt. The same, but for the summer. Oklahoma. National Museum of the American Indian, Washington


And these are leggings - the famous pants of the Indians, in this case the same Comanches. They were separate legs, attached to the waist of a loincloth. There is an apron in front and behind, so for “big things” you don’t need to take off your pants or lower them, which is convenient. National Museum of the American Indian, Washington

Was this clothing colored or natural? Let's think ... Clothes made from the fur of predators, most likely, were not dyed so that everyone could see what kind of animal the hunter could kill and they were afraid of his strength and courage. But here are the skins of herbivores ... why not decorate them with strips of colored fur to make it more elegant? Moreover, we know that the same red paint was known even to Neanderthals. It was used for cult purposes and for painting the body, and it was customary to sprinkle dead bodies with red ocher. However, the same Neanderthals used not only red, but also yellow ocher. It is known that colored powder was stored in processed tubular bones, and ocher pieces were also used.


Pueblo Indians buckskin shirt. They did not paint them, like Comanches! (National Museum of the American Indian, Washington)

By the way, this raises an interesting question: what came before: clothes or jewelry? Today the opinion of scientists is such that already in the era of the ice age people looked very ... decorative. They painted the body, and maybe subjected the skin to cauterization and scarring. Judging by the drawings on the walls of the caves, they used feathers, skins, flowers, but in the ground we find shells, ivory, amber, drilled bones, animal teeth, clearly serving as ornaments. The fossil ammonites were drilled and worn as ornaments, it was also our so ancient ancestors who were the first paleontologists.


Whoever killed the grizzly bear wore this peculiar piece of jewelry around his neck. No-Perce National Historic Park

Of course, feather headdresses similar to the headdresses of the Indians, which were supposed to report on the successes of its owner on hunting or in battles, served as decorations for ice age men, so it’s no coincidence that men in ancient images look like this - “more charming” than women. Amazingly, pieces of shells, amber and other materials used to make Stone Age jewelry are often found thousands of kilometers from their places of extraction. A Stone Age man must have exchanged them, or made distant campaigns "for prey." The latter presupposes the existence of a certain “trade", which in this very early era was supposed to satisfy the need for precious jewelry to complement clothing.


Beaded Dakota Moccasins. Museum of Ethnography at Hovburg Palace, Vienna

Moreover, the border between jewelry and clothing is much more difficult to draw than it seems. For example, many Australian natives going to war simply painted their bodies and ... that's it! Miklouho-Maclay wrote that he had met a girl in the simplest suit one could think of: it was a mother-of-pearl shell hanging in front of her hips on a lace of coconut fibers. Some researchers even suggest that the clothes developed precisely from jewelry, and that they are primary in the past, and clothing is secondary!


If your hands freeze, then you can’t do without gloves! Gloves of the Tlingit Indians. East coast of the USA. National Museum of the American Indian, Washington

By the way, the fur of the same tiger at the same time could be an ornament and clothes, just like a fur cloak from a bear skin. But the claws of a bear, say, of the same grizzly bear, very much appreciated among the North American Indians, could only be an ornament. They could not warm!

Well, then we move on to the Neolithic era, when the development of agriculture and animal husbandry revolutionized the social development of society and created new material foundations for the improvement of clothing. It was in the Neolithic era that two artificial materials were created that had not previously been on earth. This is ceramics and fabric.

It was in the Neolithic era that a loom was created, the principle of operation of which has not changed to this day. True, in Neolithic Europe people knew only flax and wool. But the most ancient finds of fabrics come from Asia Minor, from where, probably, flax spread to the north and west. Cotton and silk were produced only in Asia and only much later came to Europe to the Greeks and Romans.


Colored Navajo Woolen Yarn. Arizona. National Museum of the American Indian, Washington


And the wonderful rugs they made from such yarn! National Museum of the American Indian, Washington

And here it must be emphasized that both wool and flax played a huge role in the development of social relations in society. Flax is a demanding culture, it requires developed agriculture. Material suitable for spinning from raw flax is not so easy to obtain. It takes a lot of work and time. Preparing the wool for spinning was also a difficult task, since the scissors were not yet known, which means the wool had to be plucked or combed, and it was necessary to wash it in warm water. To work with fibers of flax and wool, it was necessary to come up with tools, work on which greatly influenced the development of the human imagination. Well, let alone the most primitive loom. It was already a real machine (!) And it was created all in the same stone age, even at its very end.


Well, the Tahumara Indians did this on their looms. Piedras Verdes. Casas Grandes, Chihuahua Mexico. National Museum of the American Indian, Washington

Stone or clay weights were preserved, with the help of which the warp threads were weighted. Which, incidentally, allows us to conclude that already during this period on the European continent there was a vertical loom, that is, those that were depicted on Greek ceramic ware millennia later. For convenience, the width of the fabric was small, a maximum of 70 cm, which, in turn, required a master cut!


Such sandals were most likely ubiquitous. Wooden "slippers" of the Mojave Indians. National Museum of the American Indian, Washington


Hat from Alaska made of birch bark. National Museum of the American Indian, Washington


Wooden helmet of the Haida tribe. Such "helmets" could well be worn by people of the Stone Age! National Museum of the American Indian, Washington


The oldest fabric on earth was found during excavations of the city of Chatal-Hayuk (Museum of Anatolian Civilizations, Ankara)

The wicker sandals found in North America tell us that shoes also already existed at that time. But then they wore shoes made of skins, similar again to Indian moccasins, and put warm grass into it for warmth! "Old Etzi", frozen in ice in the Alps, although it should be attributed in time to the era of copper and bronze, most likely lived in the Eneolithic - the Copper Stone Age, so that his clothes, fortunately, well-preserved, told scientists a lot.


Here is what Etzi looked like during his life and what he was wearing ... A reconstruction of the appearance of Etzi made for the documentary "The Man from Etzal and His World." By the way, it was made from goat and bull skins. (Museum of Natural History in Vienna

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  1. rich 14 March 2020 05: 49 New
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    Thank you, Vyacheslav. Interesting topic. Curious illustrations. Yes, and the article at the level
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 March 2020 06: 24 New
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      Join Rich!
      I liked the article !!!
      Regards, Vlad!
      1. Svarog51 14 March 2020 14: 20 New
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        Dmitry, Vladislav hi Since Saturday, add a musical comment.

        If you like it, I’ll add one more. good
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 March 2020 19: 20 New
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          Thanks Sergey !!! good
          1. Svarog51 14 March 2020 19: 24 New
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            Vladislav, my mood today is not serious. Tomorrow 55, here I am having fun and am having fun. The cartoon would also add "Honey, I give you a star," but it lasts 10 minutes.
            1. Astra wild 14 March 2020 20: 35 New
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              Quote: Svarog51
              Vladislav, my mood today is not serious. Tomorrow 55, here I am having fun and am having fun. The cartoon would also add "Honey, I give you a star," but it lasts 10 minutes.

              Happy birthday. I wish you health and happiness.
              Less cons and more pros
              1. Svarog51 14 March 2020 20: 40 New
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                Sweet Astra hi Thanks a lot for the wishes. Cons and pros do not bother me anymore, I passed this, and I do not take them seriously. You and your family health and good luck, so that everything is very good. love love love
                1. Astra wild 14 March 2020 21: 18 New
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                  I am a bit conceited, there is such a sin, but because the minuses annoy me. Especially when someone instead of immediately thinking minus like a club
                  1. Svarog51 15 March 2020 02: 24 New
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                    Well, in that case, let the holiday come to you today. love
                    With the colonel! good drinks
                  2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 15 March 2020 05: 27 New
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                    I join in the congratulations of Sergey!
                    Regards, Kote! love
                    1. Phil77 15 March 2020 06: 24 New
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                      Let me be there !!! Congratulations! good
                    2. Svarog51 15 March 2020 19: 01 New
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                      Thank you buddy. My Lynx said words of gratitude for himself and for the owner. The owner is drunk, ik, and sleeps. lol
                  3. Phil77 15 March 2020 06: 25 New
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                    Faith! You with the Papakha! soldier
                2. Astra wild 15 March 2020 16: 02 New
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                  Thanks for the congratulation. Colonel sounds flattering
                  1. Svarog51 15 March 2020 19: 04 New
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                    Vera hi Now you are the boss. love And not just like that. Now there is a goal - to catch up with Wolf - the general of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
                  2. Svarog51 15 March 2020 19: 51 New
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                    Musical congratulation. And to the article, how did the ancestors carry property with them? (The story of a lady’s handbag) Here, the author will have to sweat to answer. This is not a Sidor handbag.
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                  4. Svarog51 15 March 2020 19: 56 New
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                    As a congratulation, a musical prize
            2. Grim Reaper 15 March 2020 11: 55 New
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              Happy Birthday. You! Grow and get fat! (In a material sense) And, of course, health!
              1. Svarog51 15 March 2020 19: 05 New
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                Alexey hi Thank you. drinks drinks drinks
  2. From Siberia we 14 March 2020 06: 04 New
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    In the second illustration, the ladies just have a designer outfit
  3. Kot_Kuzya 14 March 2020 06: 20 New
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    Pants began to be worn when they began to ride, it is impossible to ride in a tunic or skirt.
    1. rich 14 March 2020 06: 30 New
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      But why? In cold weather during the ice age, you also don’t run around without pants. And then the horses weren’t domesticated yet.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 March 2020 07: 59 New
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        Pants are our "everything"!
        Ears all over the "head"!
        good
        If without ruffling in a skirt, it is all normal, but it blows from below, damn it could not resist.
        Regards, Vlad!
        1. Thunderbolt 14 March 2020 11: 37 New
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          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          Pants began to wear when they began to ride,

          Tell me, when the Chukchi and Aleuts began to ride)))
          1. cat Rusich 14 March 2020 23: 33 New
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            As an option, a riding deer is a uchak, a pack deer is an inuche (pack - in). Komi, Nenets and Nganasans have reindeer sleighs “left-handed”, while Evens, Dolgans, Yakuts, Koryak, Chukchi - “right-handed”. Dog teams (Turkida) among the inhabitants of Siberia were even before the arrival of the Russians.
        2. knn54 14 March 2020 14: 36 New
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          But EVERYTHING was NATURAL, without any synthetics.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 March 2020 19: 22 New
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            Galoshes, at the beginning of the last century, were a status thing!
            Today in the village, too, but on the reverse side !!!
            1. Grim Reaper 15 March 2020 12: 05 New
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              Why? (now) This is how I go to my own, 120 km from the ECB. I take galoshes halfway through the village. No one's nose is turning.
              True, there is a village, or rather a village, but already a village. So who remembers his kin.
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 15 March 2020 13: 31 New
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                Last weekend, in the city of Nizhny Sergi (100km from the ECB) took out garbage in galoshes!
                Oncoming girl, all sniffed. I already got through the laugh. So wait, the infection spreads at a speed of 5km per year! laughing
                Just kidding, galoshes are a practical thing, in the garden, in principle, not replaceable !!!
  4. vomag 14 March 2020 06: 26 New
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    Yes, indeed, an article for children of grades 5-6 .. A normal thinking person would immediately doubt the veracity of history 5-6 thousand years ago .. the presence of looms .. dyes for clothes .. metals available, etc. ....
    1. kalibr 14 March 2020 07: 29 New
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      Quote: vomag
      .Normal thinking person immediately doubt the veracity of history 5-6 thousand years ago .. the presence of looms .. dyes for clothes .. the presence of metals, etc. ....

      Sergey, if you were interested in this topic and you consider yourself a thinking person, then here in VO there was a cycle of my articles on the Bronze Age. You type in the search engine Chatal-Huyyuk Shpakovsky VO - there will be the first article and further. There, and about the first metal on earth and the features of the Bronze Age in America and Europe - that's all. And this series is exclusively about pants and sulfics.
    2. Hantengri 14 March 2020 07: 47 New
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      Quote: vomag
      .Normal thinking person immediately doubt the veracity of history 5-6 thousand years ago .. the presence of looms .. dyes for clothes .. the presence of metals, etc. ....

      On what basis? Are there any sane arguments? Or simply - it can’t be, because it can never be?
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 March 2020 08: 13 New
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        About ten years ago, I got carried away by an interesting thing - periodically read school history textbooks. First, with a pragmatic idea, see what has changed in bad times, and then - simply because of the banal interest.
        Unfortunately, in Soviet, and even modern, domestic textbooks (I specify school ones), the subjects of the tribal society are disclosed so dryly and unreadable that in fact everything from the student to the teacher takes out from this chapter only a slice of knowledge at the “digger” level!
        From here we get (or rather have already received) a show of discerning false historians who paint “empires” when even before the appearance of private property “walk like the moon” or find “states” where they still didn’t smell of “legal premises”!
        So the understanding that pants is important, and bast shoes is not only a means of transmitting a pendell, but also comfortable and necessary shoes are trite necessary !!!
        1. Hantengri 14 March 2020 09: 12 New
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          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Unfortunately, in Soviet, and even modern, domestic textbooks (I specify school ones), the subjects of the tribal society are disclosed so dryly and unreadable that in fact everything from the student to the teacher takes out from this chapter only a slice of knowledge at the “digger” level!

          So I only remember a digging stick from a school textbook. )))
          1. IS-80_RVGK2 14 March 2020 11: 41 New
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            Chopped yet. smile
            1. Trilobite Master 14 March 2020 13: 08 New
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              Quote: HanTengri
              So I only remember a digging stick from a school textbook. )))

              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Chopped yet.

              And also a scraper and a puncture. smile
              1. Astra wild 14 March 2020 16: 10 New
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                And I remember a stone ax and a bone needle
                1. Svarog51 14 March 2020 19: 15 New
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                  “If there were no schools, what would a person have come to?”
      2. From Siberia we 14 March 2020 08: 56 New
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        Given the high cost of metals, it is doubtful that there are individuals who want to experiment with alloys. Why does the Bronze Age come first, and then the Iron Age? Whereas iron is easier to melt than creating an alloy of bronze. Any cooking experiments. Ready without reference books and an Internet to cook something in South America from local plants and eat. and do not bully. so the whole theory is far-fetched ...
        1. kalibr 14 March 2020 11: 40 New
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          Who told you that? Lord, you understand that from these your words ignorance carries a mile away. Once again - in VO there was a series of articles about the Bronze Age. A lot of. With links to museums, scientific monographs, excavation results. Everything was explained there. In detail. References are given to the literature. The techniques of the work of masters from different countries are shown. And for the future: first, first, smart people get acquainted with the topic, consider its historiography. Then, only then ... they sit down and write: And I, hedgehogs-grandfather, are against it!
          1. From Siberia we 14 March 2020 12: 39 New
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            links to museums, scientific monographs, excavation results

            All this is about edged weapons. But talk to the hacksaw at least on the Hansa. With those who DOES edged weapons. And with what laughter they read all these "scientific monographs." Monographs are written by those who, except for a pen, did not hold anything heavier than a pen laughing
            1. Hantengri 14 March 2020 15: 14 New
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              Quote: From Siberia we
              But talk to the hacksaw at least on the Hansa. With those who DOES edged weapons. And with what laughter they read all these "scientific monographs."

              Interestingly, what kind of knives do these “hacksaws" make?
              As far as I know, a “hacksaw” that produces such “knives”:


              Dmitry Khramtsov. Blade on the sword from the burial Valsgarde 14. Steel, screaming iron, Damascus.
              https://vk.com/truin_stenja

              He simply cannot neglect monographs, by definition.
              Another "knife", from the same master.

              Dmitry Khramtsov. A sword from Stainswick.
            2. kalibr 14 March 2020 15: 52 New
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              Quote: From Siberia we
              Monographs are written by those who, except for a pen, did not hold anything heavier than a pen

              Have you heard about M.V. Burner? He is just the author of many monographs, and extremely valuable in content. But he himself dug and ... himself did reconstructions and replicas of weapons. Both for museums and for cinema. And where he made them, the cinema is very historically reliable. For example, the series "Ermak". So don’t ... blah blah.
            3. Undecim 14 March 2020 17: 35 New
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              But talk to the hacksaw at least on the Hansa. With those who DOES edged weapons. And with what laughter they read all these "scientific monographs."
              With the same laugh, the "revelations" of handicraftsmen - "hacksaw", forging from the modern spring "damask sword - a hoarder" are read.
              And those who DOES cold steel, those monographs from cover to cover are studied, moreover, not only historical ones. And you, who are "from Siberia", excuse my directness, ignoramus.
          2. Trilobite Master 14 March 2020 14: 17 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            Who told you that? Lord, you understand that from these your words ignorance carries a mile away.

            Vyacheslav Olegovich, do not worry so. smile It's just that a person is sure that metals were worth the farther into the past, the more expensive, and this applies to any region in any historical period. Another person is sure that no experiments will be carried out without a guaranteed result, because suddenly it will not work, there will be losses. Another person is sure that he has every right in studying history to use the experience of modern “hacksaw” as a measure of the truth of historical knowledge. And, finally, another person is sure that all scientists are exclusively bookworms who have seen life only from the window of the audience of their university.
            And you want to deprive him of all this ... Immediately deprive a person of deep and objective knowledge of history (the value of metals), an unsurpassed understanding of human nature (experiments), a source of irrefutable knowledge of history (knives) and a conviction that this source is uncontested (insufficiently prepared authors "scientific monographs"). This is merciless. laughing
            1. From Siberia we 14 March 2020 14: 44 New
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              Quote: Trilobite Master
              people are sure that metals were worth the farther into the past, the more expensive

              Well, of course, at the junction of the Stone and Bronze Age, any metal could be found at any landfill or recycled store. Moreover, it cost a penny.
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              use the experience of modern "hacksaw" as a measure of the truth of historical knowledge

              Of course, the story that a blacksmith forged a piece of iron for 10 years without any hope of a result is true because the monograph says so. And why guaranteed income.
              Regarding monographs: D.I. Kuznetsov is the author of more than 80 scientific articles and 3 monographs. Here is what he writes. "I went to animal fishing more than once. Once I met face to face with a polar bear. The northern lord, without turning, went straight at Samson. But the guy did not back down. I understood: you can’t run, he’ll catch up anyway. I stuck the skis in the snow, because I knew that the bear would never throw himself on the skis, would circle around them. He put forward the horn and first went to the bear. The bear stumbled upon a horn, broke it and, with all its carcass, fell on Samson. He was not taken aback, pulled out a knife from behind his bootleg and thrust it into the beast's side. He came back to the winter hut with a bear skin, a piece of meat and a bear mark across his face from his forehead to his cheek. "This is about Samson Sukhanov. I UNFITLESSLY BELIEVE. I don’t believe knives, but this MONOGRAPHY IS UNCONTENTUALLY.
              1. kalibr 14 March 2020 15: 58 New
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                Quote: From Siberia we
                Well, of course, at the junction of the Stone and Bronze Age, any metal could be found at any landfill or recycled store. Moreover, it cost a penny.

                That is exactly what happened! They already tell you what time: open the VO, a directory, or go to my profile, look at materials about the Bronze Age, about metallurgy of the Bronze Age, the difference in bronze of Europe and America. Then ... then "overthrow" already. By the way, I believe - I do not believe - it's all a "daisy". No need to believe, you just need to know a little.
                1. From Siberia we 14 March 2020 17: 09 New
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                  You know, I'm not going to argue with the BELIEVE. The invention of saddles, stirrups, sails, swords. And also their further evolution is a self-evident process. But metallurgy .... Do not tell the sane. You, in the Stone Age, have a survival problem, but no, you dig the earth looking for ore, anneal coal, dig a raw-furnace furnace, make a lining and mine raw-iron. Absolutely not knowing what it is. The same story with bronze. I repeat. Take a vacation, a wooden shovel, a piece of stone, and melt a piece of iron or an alloy of bronze. Pull it on a stone anvil with a stone hammer, holding the workpiece with wooden or stone tongs. It's so simple. For your information, there were such enthusiasts. And not with stone hammers. That's just how practice shows a niche does not work. And about ALLOYS .... Or whatever STEEL those cast iron is generally aerobatics.
                  1. kalibr 14 March 2020 18: 32 New
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                    Quote: From Siberia we
                    The same story with bronze.

                    And you know, just I did all this. Back at the institute in 1972. In a ceramic old pot, he melted the door handles assembled around the house and neighbors, copper or bronze, I don’t know, “but colored.” He melted it in a pot in an ordinary stove and ... barely got it out of there with two sticks soaked in water. Oh, hot, it was ... And he began to pour in a plaster mold. He wanted to cast a bronze dagger. But the form was not warmed up and the metal froze in the gate. But in principle, if I had known more, I would have cast it without any problems. In addition, the very first copper products were not poured, but forged.
                    1. From Siberia we 14 March 2020 19: 01 New
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                      You know, as an example, the Aztecs or Incas. Pure metals - tin, gold, copper they had. And in a huge amount (if I may say so) But bronze was practically nonexistent. About iron, even no question. They fought with wooden clubs with inserted obsidian. Everything else is there, even medicine is at a high level, but there is no metallurgy. The only Incas had bronze (an alloy of gold and tin). But they do not have iron either. Astronomy. there is mail, water supply, irrigation, a developed road network, but there is NO iron !!!
                      Your experiment with copper handles goes into the furnace. Collect copper scrap and melt and melt metal from ore, these are two different things. I poured lead from the batteries in the first class, but I did not consider myself a metallurgist. And if I now melt aluminum out of beer cans, then did I mine it?
                      I repeat. Take a wood-stone tool and mine ore smelting metal (iron).
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                        I repeat. Take a wood-stone tool and mine ore smelting metal (iron).

                        And I will repeat it. Read articles where all of this, including experiments, is written. Here on VO !!! And about the finds of mines, and furnaces, and slag and its analyzes. And about the Aztecs and Mayans, and the Incas - everything was. Go to the profile and go. True, there are 22 pages on it ... And there are links to people who have been doing this professionally. And their work. You are breaking through the open door.
                    2. From Siberia we 14 March 2020 19: 08 New
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                      By the way, they knew iron oxide (iron ore) but dyed her clothes.
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                    Once, at the dawn of "metal industry", such a thing was called "pellets", most often iron ore .. Now they only remained at the bottom of the seas, oceans .. But on land they were left disappearingly few .. Guess where they went from three times?
              2. Trilobite Master 14 March 2020 16: 29 New
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                From Siberia we (Alexander) Today, 14:44

                The normal answer is a normal novochronolosa (if this adjective applies to them in principle).
                To invent frank stupidity, declare it the main thesis of “official historians”, and then to subvert with a roar, tambourines and shamanistic dances.
                Stupidity can also be found in some garbage dump, again lovingly lick, declare the "great wisdom of official science" and ruthlessly "smash".
                Keep up the good work and Bar2 will become your brother in mind.
                1. kalibr 14 March 2020 18: 35 New
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                  Or maybe invite him to state all his thoughts in an article here on VO, eh? It would be interesting in my opinion. Ah, Alexander from Siberia ... write to us in the VO article with 8000 characters about how everything is really correct according to your views, so to speak. Nobody touches your text, I guarantee. How to write, so it will come out ...
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                and this monograph is UNCERTAINTY.

                80 and 3 - a kid by our standards. Over 35 years, I have more than 500 and 20 monographs, three of them in England and three in Germany. And there were also non-fiction editions ... So we found something to surprise ...
            2. kalibr 14 March 2020 22: 43 New
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              Quote: Trilobite Master
              Vyacheslav Olegovich, do not worry so.

              Yes, I don’t worry. Rather, I worry about something else. If this man were rich, if only as an average Englishman, I would suggest that he go to his friend Neil Barridge in Cornwall, live in his guesthouse and watch how he pours replicas of bronze swords for museums. Talk with him and that happiness. But ... do we have someone who is interested in this, have money? And whoever has it - nafig him! That's what a shame!
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          In fact, it’s made of stone, and everything is made of stone, and the technologies simply amaze the imagination, also the base of the pyramids, on top of what is configured by imitation, but what really happened without CNC machines was at least worth it. And then just the degradation of society and attempts to remember something. And who told you that it was first there, then another? The same nuclear power plant, essentially the same steam boiler, firewood of a different system and more problems with recycling. The maximum we can argue about 70 years, what is available, so ...
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          Why does the Bronze Age come first, and then the Iron Age? Whereas iron is easier to melt than creating an alloy of bronze.

          Probably because to obtain arsenic bronze, it was enough to try to melt copper from tennantite, or something like that.
          Quote: From Siberia we
          Any cooking experiments. Ready without reference books and an Internet to cook something in South America from local plants and eat. and do not bully. so the whole theory is far-fetched ...

          Since the Indians still live in South America, it seems that when their ancestors first got into it and started eating everything there, they died, as a result of this dangerous activity, but not all. Some were lucky ... laughing
          1. From Siberia we 14 March 2020 14: 54 New
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            In the 3rd millennium BC. e. bronzes were produced in the metallurgical centers of North Africa.
            The main deposits of tennantite are located in Switzerland (Binental), Namibia (Tsumeb), Germany (Saxony), the USA (Montana, Butt), Peru and Mexico.
            1. From Siberia we 14 March 2020 14: 57 New
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              Ore metallurgy quote: "The most important consequence of the formation of metallurgy was the formation of the international division of labor in the prehistoric era. But before its occurrence was attributed to the era of the great empires of the Ancient World - the Roman and Chinese. "How can you understand this? Is it at the junction of the Stone and Bronze Ages?
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                Is it at the junction of the stone and bronze ages?

                Exactly! Cattle breeding and agriculture - the first division of labor + extractive "industry". History develops, that’s all. For example, much has changed the discovery of haplogroups, and the fact that they have learned to study them from the remains of the ancients.
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            when their ancestors first got into it and started eating everything there, they died, as a result of this dangerous activity, but not all. Some were lucky ...

            Of course they are stupid laughing Would you feed your children "all sorts"?
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              Of course they are stupid. Would you feed your children "everyone"?

              It’s immediately obvious that you’ve never been an experimenter! After all, you can first feed "everyones" mother-in-law and other members of society who are of little use. laughing
        4. Aviator_ 14 March 2020 15: 44 New
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          Iron is harder to melt - you need a higher temperature than for an alloy of tin and copper (bronze).
          1. From Siberia we 14 March 2020 16: 42 New
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            Well, go on vacation and swim. Without Internet directories and so on. Business then.
    3. Avior 14 March 2020 08: 15 New
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      man in the process of evolution only reached the reasonable, with the thinker did not work out smile
      However, you can include this missing link yourself smile
      And about the fact that you do not believe in the capabilities of our ancestors, so look how our ancestor dressed up for hunting 27 thousand years ago, will pass for the modern smile

      If you want to get to know our ancestors more seriously, you will need an anthropogenesis
      http://antropogenez.ru/species/24/
      There for an adult, if you figure it out, of course hi
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 March 2020 08: 21 New
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        The fundamental question!
        "And below the belt, what?"
        1. Avior 14 March 2020 09: 24 New
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          Below the belt, I guess the same as other men smile
          But seriously, I took the picture from anthropogenesis in the form I cited
          You can dig around the site, look at what was below 27 thousand years ago,
          by origin of man it is, in my opinion, one of the best popular science resources
          They also have other reconstructions, from which it is clear that for 25 thousand years women have been quite nothing, not inferior to Welch from the cinema


          http://antropogenez.ru/reconstructions/

          But below the belt I did not find either women or men smile
          Maybe someone will punish there deeper?
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            not inferior to welch from the movie

            Genes struck - this is the same boy.
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              So Welch would have been a couple smile
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        Listen, there are places in the north where the ridge of mountains is simply perfectly cut, to explain this simply by the fact that the Maugis owned some kind of laser technology, but were in diapers? It's funny ...
    4. Trilobite Master 14 March 2020 13: 26 New
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      Normal thinking person

      A normal thinking person, after reading Fomenko, giggles and puts his book on the shelf next to the books of Zadornov and Prokopenko. In the "humor" section.
      Tell me, why do you doubt the facts you mentioned? What gave you reason to doubt?
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    Good morning friends! hi
    Regarding the “bikini” Rachey Welch in our press of that time maliciously noticed that the model was designed by the best fashion designers from the most famous houses.


    I can hardly imagine how the "ladies" of that period looked like in reality. smile
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      And go to the nearest garbage dump, there they are ...
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        I am not a specialist in garbage cans and do not communicate with their inhabitants. The court at your advice, you are an expert in this matter, so I take your word for it. negative
        1. unhappy 14 March 2020 07: 06 New
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          I went to work (radio factory) in the district. Saw. Do not be shy, people see and know more than your wink
          1. Catfish 14 March 2020 07: 09 New
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            I have nothing to be ashamed of. As for the people: everyone sees what he wants to see, and I'm not sure that each of them knows more than what I know. request
            1. unhappy 14 March 2020 07: 34 New
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              A thoughtful phrase, as you want and understand.
              Can you be shy? Judging by the fact that they called me just like that?
              1. Catfish 14 March 2020 07: 50 New
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                And in your thoughts there was no way to call you names. If you understand me that way, then I apologize to you. Seriously. hi
            2. 3x3zsave 14 March 2020 07: 45 New
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              Konstantin! hi
              Whatever your dive (by the way, the opponent, in his first comment, did not mean anything bad, in my opinion): the garbage can is the most interesting place for an archaeologist!
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                Hi, hello! hi
                Antique and medieval garbage can - of course, but the modern one is of interest only to law enforcement agencies, and even in very specific cases.
                How's your store in St. Petersburg? Yesterday we traveled with Alexei-Lexus to Ryazan, so the people had already seriously begun revenge from the groats on the shelves. And the wife’s brother called from Switzerland and said that they completely lost toilet paper (I'm stunned), they already don’t go to offices there, they work at home. How are you with Nikolai?
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                  Hi Konstantin! Hello everyone! We have the following situation in our factory: thermal detectors at the entrance, masked fake, waiting at the entrance. There isn’t much hype in the stores yet, there’s no panic, but I often see masked people. Health to everyone! Yes, Vyacheslav Olegovich, thanks for article!
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                    Hello Seryoga! hi
                    I hope that everything will be fine. You and your health too. drinks
                    1. Phil77 14 March 2020 13: 56 New
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                      Mutually, mutually! I am still at work, alas. We arrived in the morning with a friend, we measured the temperature and forward, to the glory of captrude and my own pocket.
                  2. Korsar4 14 March 2020 09: 46 New
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                    Masked people in trains appeared for a long time.
                    A circular was sent to the university - "do not shake hands."

                    Now, probably, the period of compositions of such circulars. Let's see what happens next.
                    1. Phil77 14 March 2020 13: 59 New
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                      We do not have this yet, but there is a ban on the delivery of purchased through online stores. Couriers ordered to send to hell! laughing
                2. 3x3zsave 14 March 2020 08: 10 New
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                  How are you with Nikolai?
                  We’ll meet tomorrow.
                  Our people "sweep the grain" for any reason, the main thing before this process is a competent "scouring of the blizzard", and in other words - an informational stuffing.
                  Hello to Alexey! drinks
                  1. Catfish 14 March 2020 08: 12 New
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                    Hello to Nikolai too! Alexei has problems with the computer, he left the bathhouse. drinks
                    Here is another question: when everything is swept from the shelves, what will we eat? And then nevermind it will be what there was a "blizzard wash" or "throw-in-out." There is no panic yet, but when the counters are empty there will be something worse.
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                      what will we eat?
                      Personally, I will lose weight !!! It is high time!
                      But the fact that I will not change the car this year, I am very upset crying
                      1. Catfish 14 March 2020 08: 36 New
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                        "But the fact that I will not change the car this year,"
                        I have it, thank God there is no. smile A week ago, my wife bought a new tablet, today I went to the site of this store, this model is gone and in general only two of the cheapest models remained from the whole assortment. With supplies ku-ku. request
                      2. 3x3zsave 14 March 2020 08: 45 New
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                        "Put on your old OZK, dig up a lawn, plant potatoes, put a scarecrow near Greta Tunberg - give your answer to the coronavirus and the intrigues of OPEC !!!" wassat
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                        OZKashka let the young drag, cross 5 km and with full calculation, and we have already passed it. Gardens I can not drip, doctors banned, if only to weld the plow to the quadric. As for the stuffed animal, we have a neighbor here through a couple of houses - where are the unfortunate Greta, they’ll drive the children to scare her: “Here we give it to this aunt ...”
                        And our answer to the coronavirus and all OPECs is unambiguous and unchanged while vodka is sold in stores. And if they cease to trade, let's go to dig up the sawn-off shotguns in the gardens. drinks
                      4. 3x3zsave 14 March 2020 09: 55 New
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                        This I gave an absurd example of info stuffing, as a wire of mass hysteria.
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                        And I suggested a real way out of the situation in the fight against the above natural disasters. laughing drinks
            3. Astra wild 14 March 2020 16: 30 New
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              We do not have queues in grocery stores, what will happen next?
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                what will happen next?


                But the devil knows him.
                Maybe there won’t be any queues, we don’t have any, just people are buying a purely specific product and a lot.
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                just people buy a specific product and a lot.
                It was, and more than once, even in my memory (lost count!)
                You just do not have to succumb to the mass unconscious.
                "This is gasoline.
                When oil rises, gasoline rises. When oil becomes cheaper, gasoline rises in price. When oil does nothing, gasoline is getting more expensive anyway.
                Gasoline purposeful and without complexes.
                Gasoline - well done!
                Be like gasoline !!! "
              3. Catfish 14 March 2020 18: 33 New
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                You just do not have to succumb to the mass unconscious.

                It’s like with the metro, all the doors are open, and everyone is breaking into one, I was always amazed at this.
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                Caterpillar Effect
              5. Catfish 14 March 2020 18: 42 New
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                It happens different. laughing

                You can only dream about this ... Joke, guys do not be offended. drinks
              6. 3x3zsave 14 March 2020 18: 54 New
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                Nafig-nafig dream of such a thing !!! Sometimes I communicate with DPS and PPS, quite adequate guys! Here in the mid-90s, imbeciles were over the edge! "They gave out a bagpipe, and spin as you want!"
                PySy. And Vlad can be offended by such exercises!
              7. Catfish 14 March 2020 18: 56 New
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                And Vlad can be offended by such exercises!

                So I explained that this is a joke, and Vlad has a sense of humor.
  6. Phil77 14 March 2020 17: 42 New
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    what will happen next?

    Psychosis will pass, and then? We’ll probably live on and remember how we remember bird flu, swine, any other flu. And so far, we all have health! Moreover, spring and autumn give a surge of colds. And remember that life is striped thing is bad now, and tomorrow is excellent!
  7. 3x3zsave 14 March 2020 18: 29 New
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    Moreover, spring, like autumn, gives a surge of colds.
    And then a plague creeps out from around the corner!
  8. Phil77 14 March 2020 18: 37 New
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    Oh! While watching the appearance of armored vehicles. lol
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    Rosguard introduced to Moscow?
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    And they didn’t take her out of there, Here the colonel will move to you in St. Petersburg for permanent residence and you will have the Russian Guard. Hehe heho ... not funny.
  11. Phil77 14 March 2020 20: 56 New
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    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Rosguard introduced to Moscow?

    It's snowing in Moscow. White and white!
  12. 3x3zsave 15 March 2020 07: 23 New
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    It's snowing in Moscow.
    Do not throw such phrases in the media space, the consequences can be unpredictable! wassat
  13. Catfish 15 March 2020 08: 23 New
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    "Is it raining in Santiago"? Do you want to say that you should not give ideas to the military? But in both cases ("cloudless sky"), for those who ordered a weather report, the consequences were quite predictable and favorable.
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    Absolutely right! Although we traditionally have Swan Lake
  15. Catfish 15 March 2020 08: 51 New
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    Although we traditionally have Swan Lake

    I'm afraid that today, if anything, they will launch the Cord. laughing
  16. 3x3zsave 15 March 2020 08: 57 New
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    I wonder with what composition?
  17. Catfish 15 March 2020 09: 13 New
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    Yes, he might also be drawn to the classics:
    "On top, comrades, everything is in place, the last parade is coming ..." soldier
  18. 3x3zsave 15 March 2020 09: 21 New
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    I don’t think Cord is the same ideological weather vane.
  19. Catfish 15 March 2020 09: 24 New
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    Anton, to be honest, I don’t really know him, and he is not interesting to me. And about the "last parade" - the text is suitable for either side.
  20. 3x3zsave 15 March 2020 09: 30 New
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    This is yes, because there will be no winners.
  21. Phil77 15 March 2020 16: 42 New
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    Just now I noticed this interesting dialogue! From myself I will add the classic: * Over the whole of Spain a cloudless sky ... *.
  22. 3x3zsave 15 March 2020 10: 14 New
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    Is there still snow in Moscow?
  23. Phil77 15 March 2020 12: 15 New
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    Yes, and it's cold!
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    And in St. Petersburg, as on Mars - cold and dusty!
  25. Catfish 14 March 2020 19: 39 New
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    According to our tradition, tanks exclusively creep out from around the corner, and mainly on tropical islands. wink
  26. kalibr 14 March 2020 22: 21 New
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    A gun with an adapter! Great!
  27. Catfish 15 March 2020 08: 53 New
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    Yes, "Matilda" with an ejector - it's a good whistle. laughing
  28. kalibr 15 March 2020 09: 24 New
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    Dear Konstantin! This is not an ejector. Namely, a special adapter "Little John" increased the speed of a projectile!
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    I have had three years in the tank, I have never heard of any adapter. If possible in more detail and with a link, but not to the wiki.
  30. kalibr 15 March 2020 20: 12 New
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    Konstantin! I have 5 years at M.A.F.V.A. But I can only refer to a book about Matilda by Osprey. This is a special nozzle that somehow increased the speed of the ammunition shell of the 40-mm Matilda gun. These adapters also stood on the Tetrarch and Harry Hopkins tanks. There was a seizure somewhere. But I haven’t been engaged in tanks for a long time ... I don’t remember where.
  31. Catfish 15 March 2020 21: 16 New
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    Thank. I'll try to figure it out, it just became interesting. I read earlier that Matilda was pretty (a bad word) and valued her only for her armor, a weak gun, a dead engine: "Today I saw the seventh wonder of the world," Matilda, climbed to the top of the hill. " And “Tetrah”, this is nothing at all, why should a light tank have anti-tank ammunition in general, with the caliber of its little guns. "Hopkins" - the same British eggs, but named after the American. These wedges were sewn right through with a 20 mm Erlikon, which the Germans successfully carried out both in Europe and in Africa. smile
  32. kalibr 15 March 2020 22: 20 New
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    Dear Konstantin! I know all this too. But I also read Chibisov’s memoirs, "English Tanks at Steep Log". If you can find this book - read the binding! You can download it. She is on the web.
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    ,, Petersburg is ready to defend itself against a global pandemic by massively kissing holy relics. A cloth and alcohol are included fool ROC refuses to close churches request
    1. 3x3zsave 14 March 2020 19: 37 New
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      What is it like in the mass wasphedron (!)?!?!?!
      Bloated fake!
      1. bubalik 14 March 2020 19: 52 New
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        What's the fake, Anton?
        A special regime was introduced in St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Region because of the coronavirus. And in the Kazan Cathedral there is a pandemonium: believers stand in line and massively apply to the relics of John the Baptist brought from Jerusalem, icons ... The local archpriest Alexander Pashkov told us: “the infection cannot spread in the church”, and the story of the coronavirus in Europe is “ anti-church campaign. "
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          Quote: bubalik
          And in the Kazan Cathedral there is a pandemonium: believers stand in line and massively apply to the relics of John the Baptist brought from Jerusalem, icons ... The local archpriest Alexander Pashkov told us: “the infection cannot spread in the church,” and the story of the coronavirus in Europe is “ anti-church campaign. "

          How much opium for the people? laughing
        2. 3x3zsave 14 March 2020 20: 13 New
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          This is the fake!
          All who can, earn on it. Those who can’t make money roll pasta on external sound receptors
    2. Catfish 14 March 2020 19: 43 New
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      ROC refuses to close churches

      I didn’t go there before the lamp. Let the priests be fed by those who have extra money, and here I will find what to spend it on. stop
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 March 2020 08: 18 New
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    On the subject of "sausage" !!!
    Just kidding, Anton is right, archaeologists adore the “decent” sites of ancient people who took out garbage and waste in one place “garbage” !!! Moreover, the weight of the "candidate" - a minimum!
    He witnessed the grumbling of my friend when he opposed his colleague in defense of "I would have your garbage" !!!
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      Hello, Vlad! hi Regarding the "candidate in the trash" - that's for sure, I myself know people who wrote full-fledged dissenters on the basis of the Chersonesos "trash". They also found the missing piece from a marble stele with the text "Liberty Charter of Chersonesos."
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 March 2020 10: 04 New
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        Good morning Konstantin!
        In this regard, informatization has a negative impact on the preservation of knowledge!
        What survived to the present day in stone and parchment is an axiom.
        And what will we leave for our descendants? For example, information on electronic media, or even magnetic tapes, cassettes, floppy disks, etc.
        Do many have a VCR or reel tape recorder from home?
        So, a non-conspirator may consist in the fact that the “Charter of Liberty Charter” carved in marble can easily survive the paper text of the Russian Constitution.
        Not patriotic, but true.
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          I think that this "carrier" will survive everything and it will be quite enough for the survival of our descendants.

          And for the arrangement of at least some kind of society, for a start, the “Chersonesus Liberty Charter” would be enough for them, they would be able to read, of course. smile
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          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          For example, information on electronic media, or even magnetic tapes, cassettes, floppy disks, etc.

          About 10 years ago I threw out a Sirius tape recorder in perfect condition and somewhere around 250 cassettes, which I regretted later. I bought this tape player in the 90th year, and in 20 years it has never broken. After I found 40 cassettes in a friend’s garage, I grabbed a cheap Chinese mafon at work, wrote down my favorite songs, and rejoice. By the way, the video recorder also works for me under a hundred, and a couple of days ago I recorded the “Disgusting Eight” of Tarantina. But the day when the Soviet tape recorder threw out with cassettes I curse. This is necessary for twenty years of operation only once the fuse burned out when a cockroach climbed there. By the way, the cockroach also burned out. Here is such a beauty in the trash carried. That's an eccentric letter M.
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            This is just nostalgia. We are well aware that modern technology provides much better quality, but nonetheless ...
            I have Aktur 006 and a bunch of vinyl. And I do not intend to part with them. Well, just the process itself .......
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            Quote: Grim Reaper
            We are well aware that modern technology provides much better quality, but nonetheless ...

            I'm tired of the number. Somehow I became disappointed in her gradually. Something non-living. Well, not without nostalgia, either, and I just like the design of the 80s. And Arcturus also is, from the uncle got, with plates. True, the head is not suitable, from Russia added. But then, as soon as someone comes in, look on his forehead: “U, damn it, Vova, let's turn on the video recorder, or listen to the mafon.” Or turn on the Ocean and let's turn the setting, remember childhood.
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        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        In this regard, informatization has a negative impact on the preservation of knowledge!

        Judging by the verbal “memes,” useless ones are best preserved, harmful ones are clearly cut out immediately, useful ones change over time, useful ones die, and the same die.
        And useless live up to 50 thousand years. still from Africa.
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    This is class!
  • Avior 14 March 2020 09: 31 New
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    I don’t know the ladies, but the gentlemen of that period, homo erectus, somehow like that

    Or like this

    Well, male beauty is generally a specific thing. smile
    Our pedigree with a photo :)))
    It looks something like this
    http://antropogenez.ru/catalog-hominids/
    hi
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      Hmm, specific ... Then the ladies will not be better at all. smile
      1. Grim Reaper 15 March 2020 12: 16 New
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        Quote: Sea Cat
        Hmm, specific ... Then the ladies will not be better at all. smile

        A man should be a little prettier than a monkey. (WITH)
        Well, yes, something like that. laughing laughing
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          It’s not about peasants, everything is clear with us. smile
  • fk7777777 14 March 2020 14: 21 New
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    Dukhan, he was still a campaign, well, you don’t want my dear, he gets a sawn-off shotgun, but you have to)))
  • Krasnodar 15 March 2020 01: 07 New
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    They had very hairy legs and armpits. And a mustache, of course laughing
  • 3x3zsave 14 March 2020 07: 21 New
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    New cycle ?! Great!!!
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich !!!
    In the photos of Comanche clothes, the connecting seams are trimmed with fringe. It was once explained to me that this element was widely distributed among forest North American Indians as an anti-mite defense (it was also used by white trappers). But Comanches, the last 400 years of their history are pronounced steppes! What is this a tribute to tradition?
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      Quote: 3x3zsave
      But Comanches, the last 400 years of their history are pronounced steppes! What is this a tribute to tradition?

      A very serious question and interesting. I myself do not know the answer. I'll try to ask him ... "there." Suddenly answer?
      1. 3x3zsave 14 March 2020 07: 38 New
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        It would be great! However, probably, you can limit yourself to domestic Indianists.
        1. kalibr 14 March 2020 07: 49 New
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          Quote: 3x3zsave
          However, probably, you can limit yourself to domestic Indianists.

          Do not know.
      2. Catfish 14 March 2020 08: 00 New
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        Thank you, Vyacheslav! I have already studied the life of the Indians in your book, but still interesting. smile
      3. Phil77 14 March 2020 18: 42 New
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        And if it’s just- * for beauty *? Recall the 70s of the past ... Oh! Lord! Last century and ridiculous fashion bottom jeans, pants-flare knock out * zipper *. It happened? Yes. Someone is ready to say that this is for the safety of trousers, but little is believed in it.
  • From Siberia we 14 March 2020 07: 47 New
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    Quote: 3x3zsave
    the element was widely distributed among forest North American Indians, as an anti-mite defense

    And how did he protect against ticks? Is it just curious? I love to roam the forests myself
    1. 3x3zsave 14 March 2020 08: 02 New
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      I’ll clarify again, I do not insist on this version, the Indianists explained to me just the same.
      For penetration to the skin, the most accessible for ticks (after the cervical and carpal zones) are the seams of clothing, they are also the least noticeable during a quick examination. Fringe sewn into the seams, hesitates when walking, overcasting the joints of clothes, thus protecting against the penetration of parasites.
      1. From Siberia we 14 March 2020 08: 13 New
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        In principle, it is possible. Since the seam is not machine .... Comanches were cattle breeders. Ticks also live well in tall grass. Dogs or cows dozens of them are collected and not in the forest. So it seems like the truth. Thanks for the interesting information.
      2. Mordvin 3 14 March 2020 08: 54 New
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        Quote: 3x3zsave
        Fringe sewn into the seams, hesitates when walking, overcasting the joints of clothes, thus protecting against the penetration of parasites.

        Or maybe protection from snakes? For example, gyurza. She is blind, sees in infrared radiation. He sees the contours of the prey and rushes. The fringe developing in the wind is distracting; the snake may miss.
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          Vladimir! With the exit from the "bath"! good hi
        2. From Siberia we 14 March 2020 08: 59 New
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          goes in infrared radiation. He sees the contours of the prey and rushes. The fringe developing in the wind distracts

          How does fringe affect the infrared image? Is she hotter than a body?
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            How does fringe affect the infrared image? Is she hotter than a body?

            No. Gyurza sees the contours of the victim. Tajik snake hunters prey on them in bathrobes. The chances that the snake misses are increasing. I don’t know how it is now, but in the 90th gram of gyurza poison cost 50 thousand bucks if sclerosis does not confuse me.
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Vladimir! With the exit from the "bath"!

            Thank you. Moderators swear at me. crying
            1. From Siberia we 14 March 2020 09: 21 New
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              Gyurza sees the contours of the victim

              sees in infrared radiation

              You already decide how the snakes see. laughing
              Actually: they “see” thermal radiation not with their eyes, but with special heat-sensitive organs. The eyes are covered with a thin leathery film, they are very cloudy, and this greatly affects the visibility. During molting, the snake parted with the old skin, and with it the film. Therefore, after molting the snake is especially "big-eyed"
              1. Mordvin 3 14 March 2020 09: 38 New
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                Quote: From Siberia we
                You already decide how the snakes see.

                Gyurza pursues prey, perceiving the infrared radiation of the body. Having caught up with the victim, he sees its contours. In Tajiks, the floors of the dressing gown hide the contours and it can rush onto the dressing gown. Well, something like this. For what I bought, for that I sell it. I do not insist on this version, but in my opinion it looks pretty logical. hi And I don’t believe in ticks. They, on the contrary, will climb into Bahram, in my opinion.
                1. From Siberia we 14 March 2020 09: 46 New
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                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  They, on the contrary, will climb into Bahram, in my opinion

                  Well, the fringe at the seam can either shake them off, or at the campfire around the campfire, burn the fringe along with ticks. Yes, and rubbing the fringe with repellents is much easier. Well, based on the Indians - beautiful. laughing IMHO
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                    Judging by your comment, you have never seen ticks! Shake off a tick? This is bold! And it's useless! That's why it is a tick, that it is necessary to pick out ticks!
            2. fk7777777 14 March 2020 14: 23 New
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              So it’s all about organizing gyurz farms ...)))
              1. Mordvin 3 14 March 2020 14: 48 New
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                Quote: fk7777777
                So it’s all about organizing gyurz farms ...)))

                Only now there are few hunters for gyurs. This predator attacks everything that moves whether it is hungry or not. Very aggressive. Tajik anaconda up to three meters in length. Unless they are squeamish about camels, they are smelly, but cats are not afraid of her.
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              Moderators at all swear. They have such a job.
              1. Mordvin 3 14 March 2020 18: 45 New
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                Quote: 3x3zsave
                Moderators at all swear. They have such a job.

                Yeah. However, I like my version about snakes more than about ticks. If you recall the "Headless Horseman", then in America there are enough of them. Remember how an Irish drunk wrapped himself in a rope from snakes? Yes, by the way, in order to get a gram of gurza poison, you need to catch a couple of dozen snakes. Well him, such a pleasure, where to hell.
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                  Well, Vladimir, I "bought for what I sell." As for snakes, a well-known practice in Central Asia, spending the night "in the field" enclose the parking lot with woolen thread. Snakes at the genetic level are afraid of sheep.
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                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    As for snakes, a well-known practice in Central Asia, spending the night "in the field"

                    That's just the best rope to take from the camel, their snakes do not like. They do not attack the desert ship, therefore they use camel caravans.
    2. Avior 14 March 2020 08: 37 New
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      Perhaps impregnated with some means
      Means from ticks are divided into repelling (repellents) and killing. Acaricides are just the compounds that kill the tick.

      Also, all funds can be divided into natural (folk) and industrial (including chemical) which we can buy in the store.

      Natural, folk remedies traditionally include:
      Essential oils :
      Eucalyptus;
      Geranium;
      Palmarosa;
      Lavender;
      Baye oil;
      Cedar oil;
      Mint;
      Rosemary;
      Thyme;
      Basil.
      As well as tar, wormwood, garlic.

      Or ticks lingered in fringe?
      In general, for protection on the legs and sleeves there should be folds, traps for ticks, but I have never seen such Indians
      However, ours too
      hi
      1. Korsar4 14 March 2020 10: 55 New
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        An antencephalitic suit with folds and traps.
        1. Avior 14 March 2020 12: 13 New
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          Yes, I know.
          But these are modern clothes.
          I meant the clothes of the ancestors
          But the ancestors, it seems, did not think of such a technology of protection against ticks as folds-traps
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            They argue when tick-borne encephalitis appeared.

            And just the presence of ticks was hardly so critical.
            1. Avior 14 March 2020 16: 39 New
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              As I understand it, the fact that encephalitis was identified at the beginning of the century does not mean that it did not exist before
              Actually, the discussion in the branch began with the fact that they wrote that the fringe on the clothes of the Indians was against ticks
              Even if there was no encephalitis or it was not associated with ticks, the tick bite is unpleasant, especially if it is broken off and suppuration begins in the wound
              The fold of clothing itself is a simple detail, but - you haven’t guessed it, it turns out
              hi
              1. Korsar4 14 March 2020 17: 11 New
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                If it was, it began to spread from the Far East. And there already on the clothes of the Nanai and other features look out for.
  • Boris55 14 March 2020 08: 01 New
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    Quote: V. Shpakovsky
    We are starting a new topic, so to speak, of a cultural and educational plan, designed for the widest audience and devoted to such an aspect of the material culture of mankind as clothing.

    Abroad is interesting, but will it be about what the ancient inhabitants of the places where we live today went?
    As an example:


    Museum-reserve "Kostenki". Kostenki - a village on the right bank of the Don in the Ukrainian region of the Voronezh region. The first human settlements in Kostenki date back to 45 thousand years ago, the latter end their existence about 30 thousand years later.

    ps
    Thanks for the first two pictures. I remembered the school.
    1. Ua3qhp 14 March 2020 08: 27 New
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      By the way, in the picture "bow and arrow, people already knew" the composite bow is drawn.
      PS
      People who lived in Kostenki already knew hydrogen peroxide. yes
      The man and child are brunette, the woman is blonde.
      1. Boris55 14 March 2020 08: 45 New
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        Quote: Ua3qhp
        The man and child are brunette, the woman is blonde.

        "There is much in the world, friend Horatio, which our sages have not dreamed of."

        The Bible says that people from Adam and Eve went, but it’s not clear where the yellow, red and black people came from ... However, people believe.
        1. Mordvin 3 14 March 2020 09: 53 New
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          Quote: Boris55
          The Bible says that people from Adam and Eve went, but it’s not clear where the yellow, red and black came from ...

          Yes, it’s just that Eva Adam horns with whom it was instructed. wink
          1. Astra wild 14 March 2020 16: 46 New
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            “Mom, is it true that we descended from a monkey?”
            - I do not know. Dad never introduced me to his parents.
            Eve had a "wide choice": 'Adam or burned
            1. Mordvin 3 14 March 2020 16: 53 New
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              Quote: Astra wild
              '' Adam or burned

              Well, there was still a choice. wink
              Abraham begat Isaac; Isaac begat Jacob; Jacob begat Judah and his brothers
              I got it. love
        2. fk7777777 14 March 2020 14: 25 New
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          Well, bravo, it's just a legal act, well ...
        3. Fishery 14 March 2020 16: 05 New
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          ))) there was another lady, about whom they do not like to mention))) Lilith)
      2. Avior 14 March 2020 10: 00 New
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        A man could just snatch his wife from a neighboring tribe of blondes :)
        Went to pick berries, then our brunette hunter caught up with her and let's marry her :)
        You understand, this is not the 21st century; there was no one to complain about sexual harassment.
        And the child could already have any hair color
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          Yes, but cut it, well, or shoot it, at least from the Colt they could, not the 21st century, after all, yes ...
    2. kalibr 14 March 2020 08: 43 New
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      All will be. Gradually.
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        Quote: kalibr
        All will be. Gradually.

        Hopefully not since the 10th century. laughing
  • fk7777777 14 March 2020 08: 29 New
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    I’m trying to leaf through to the end, so here is the Soviet textbook, and the Bible, the author’s authority, so to speak, and further complete heresy, in some places again gods, so figures, approx. But in order to make it you need a visual style, the author do you think then it is so easy to go online? Or is it your theory of Darwin does not give rest?
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      Quote: fk7777777
      I’m trying to leaf through to the end, so here is the Soviet textbook, and the Bible, the author’s authority, so to speak, and further complete heresy, in some places again gods, so figures, approx. But in order to make it you need a visual style, the author do you think then it is so easy to go online? Or is it your theory of Darwin does not give rest?

      You yourself understand what you are writing. Concentrate on what does not suit you. While you have some kind of stream of consciousness.
      1. fk7777777 14 March 2020 14: 31 New
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        Very well, I can read once again the first Soviet textbook, the second bible, the third figure, with Roman numerals, etc., and all this nonsense they are trying to pull on something. I think this is just fantasy, because I myself really saw a lot ....
  • Valerych 14 March 2020 08: 50 New
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    “And the Lord God made leather clothes for Adam and his wife ...”
    Genesis 3: 21
    what is this quote for?
    1. kalibr 14 March 2020 09: 20 New
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      In my opinion it’s obvious. Ancient clothes were made of leather.
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        It is clear that not from synthetics ...
    2. From Siberia we 14 March 2020 09: 49 New
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      The loving god tore off the animal and made Adam leather pants. Obviously the same.
      In no way do I want to offend the feelings of believers
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      And the constitution, and the patriarch, and even a lot of what, this is not for you, of course)))
  • Ua3qhp 14 March 2020 09: 12 New
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    Quote: Boris55
    Kostenki - a village on the right bank of the Don in the Ukrainian region of the Voronezh region.


    Why would this, the Ukrainian region of the Voronezh region become Ukrainian? And then Voronezh, what is Tatar-Mongolian?
    My apologies Boris55
    The engine is stupid. I am writing (x_o_holsky district, and he replaces with Ukrainian
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  • Fishery 14 March 2020 11: 31 New
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    stylish clothes) shoes are similar to the one that I now wear)) is also sewn of soft leather, and a deer leather shirt is generally fashionable shtuktsiya)
  • fk7777777 14 March 2020 14: 05 New
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    Yeah, and the figure is Latin 12 on the figure, (spacesuit or drone), they also invented this Mowgli, painted, very, very long time ago, having received a Soviet education, ancient, ancient, people .... You can write such nonsense as much as you want and that's all pass off as truth.
    1. kalibr 14 March 2020 15: 39 New
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      And who told you that this is the number 12? For example, among the Indians of St. America, the cross meant exchange or 4 "four birds of the cardinal points." In China and Japan, archaic writing on tortoiseshell shells was known. There were similar signs ... Once again, stop rattling your dense ignorance.
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    V.O., When I read it, I remembered: "The Adventures of the Prehistoric Boy" .. There, it is precisely the actions that take place at the beginning of the Neolithic.
    Of course, the author then made the most of everything that archeology knew then. It would be interesting to read a book or watch a movie based on today's knowledge of science
    1. kalibr 14 March 2020 15: 45 New
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      It would be interesting to read a book or watch a movie based on today's knowledge of science

      The coolest thing I can advise is a series of novels by Gene Awell "Children of the Earth." It includes novels: The Clan of the Cave Bear, The Valley of the Horses, The Mammoth Hunters, The Mammoth Hearth, The Path Through the Plain, and The Shadow of a Stone. Gene Awell is a well-known British archaeologist and servalist, and at times, reading her novel, found himself reading the Archeology of Today. It is clear that this is a novel. It is clear that she stuffed erotica there ... oh, mother, do not worry, there is an element of even science fiction. It is clear that the main character is the HEROINE IN ALL MEANINGS. But ... in general, it is extremely interesting and informative. According to the first book, the 1986 film was shot ... very ... based on the novel.
  • Operator 14 March 2020 14: 59 New
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    "Such dogu most often found in the northern regions of Japan at the end of the Jomon era"- 3rd century BC: wild-wild Ainu laughing
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    An important topic.
    Arms and clothes (sometimes the first is an element of the second) - this is only evidence of civilization. Without this, a person is naked and weak, and indeed not ranked, either in nature or in society. "Without color differentiation of pants, society has no purpose" - that’s what you need to include in the Constitution!
    Even language, as the second signaling system, does not distinguish us from animals so sharply - nevertheless, animals living or hunting in groups have it to some extent, and sometimes it is not as primitive as the Negro Jim or some modern bloggers.
    As for the ability to predict and predict, everything is not going smoothly either, many primates and parrots are quite seen in understanding the cause-effect relationship. Unlike some of our ministers, even the "prime ministers" ...
    Yes, here’s abstract thinking still ... intertwining with religious views ... Well, there is a pass, we sometimes don’t understand other people, a hundred years ago, but what animals do and what - they simply don’t have tools for convincing conclusions .
  • Operator 14 March 2020 15: 18 New
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    In the picture from the school textbook, farmers of the Neolithic era are presented in fancy vests, shorts and miniskirts, while the real clothes of men and women at that time were a poncho made of animal skins, tied at the waist with a leather belt or, at best, sewn around the edges with leather bundles.

    Woven clothing made from sheep’s wool appeared after the invention of the technology of twisting of threads and a weaving mill.
    1. kalibr 14 March 2020 15: 47 New
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      So, it was just at the end of the Neolithic that they all invented it!
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        Did Neolithic shorts also exist? laughing
  • faterdom 14 March 2020 16: 02 New
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    Did Neolithic shorts also exist? laughing

    And jeans.
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      Everything that is convenient appeared a very long time ago.
  • Astra wild 14 March 2020 17: 09 New
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    Vyacheslav Olegovich, I solemnly promise: carefully read your stories. I tried not to miss your stories before, but now ... Women are not indifferent to clothes
    1. Phil77 14 March 2020 18: 00 New
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      Quote: Astra wild
      Women are not indifferent to clothes

      So, so, so! Let's Vera, develop your thought! Are you talking about what I was thinking ???? laughing hi laughing Sorry, just a good mood. That's just good and that's it!
      1. Catfish 14 March 2020 18: 29 New
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        I know what you were thinking, hooligan. laughing drinks
        1. Phil77 14 March 2020 18: 35 New
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          Well, what ?! ?! How is Oleg Mityaev doing there? * Get fit, summer is coming soon *. Healthy is such a basic instinct. wassat
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        I readily forgive. I am kind
    2. kalibr 14 March 2020 19: 08 New
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      Dear Astra! In turn, I promise that in articles about clothes I will try more often to pay attention to women's clothing, jewelry, and any "such". And I would also like to invite you to read my novel People and Weapons. It is on an electronic site - just type the name - it will open. There is also a story about a cat. If you love them, it will also give you pleasure.
      1. Phil77 14 March 2020 19: 12 New
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        Vyacheslav Olegovich! And you there too ?! Well, spare me! For a long time I didn’t laugh so loudly, loudly. From the heart! laughing
        1. kalibr 14 March 2020 22: 16 New
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          Good laugh prolongs life! So laugh on. I often laugh here too. You don’t need any humor on TV and read ... and sometimes you can describe yourself from laughter. Moreover, at one time, Sergey, I was captivated by that place in the novel Gadfly, where he himself led a polemic in the newspaper under the pseudonym “Son of the Church,” and of course, “son” lost. So I thought how cool it is to do so. And then he worked on the sites ... and I realized Nothing of this is necessary. There will always be (words forbidden in VO) that will do everything better for you than any of your doubles and you yourself. Paradox, huh? But it is so! Yes, and laugh at the same time for free!
      2. Astra wild 14 March 2020 21: 02 New
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        V.O., are you writing novels ?! And I thought that you, apart from the scientific works of another, are not writing.
        Chatal Hyuk has now scored in a search engine and I see an alternative story. I always believed that you are harm (for ideological reasons), but a supporter of scientific history
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          Australia! Do you think that I inserted this material in Alternative? This is material with VO. Inserted there without my knowledge, but indicating where it was taken from. If you look, my articles with a link to VO are used on dozens of sites and in a bunch of blogs. I really have a novel in the genre of alternative history "Let us die near Moscow." But there is more history than alternatives. There is a historical novel "Pareto Law" in 3 books in Germany in Russian. But for the Russians it is too expensive. And now here are People and Weapons and Life and Adventures of Barsi Cats (well, I love cats, what to do). Take a look. Everything is online.
  • Undecim 14 March 2020 18: 25 New
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    Vyacheslav Olegovich, I propose to consider this article a kind of introduction to the cycle. In fact, the Stone Age is 2 500 000 years, it is 99% of human technological history. And only one article. Do not find it illogical?
    To begin with, archaeological finds allow
    The only thing that archaeological finds allow is that the habitat is a key factor in the reconstruction of Stone Age clothing. The evolution of clothing was dictated by the climate. Residents of the Stone Age had to adapt to their surroundings. Over 3,4 million years, some people survived at least seven ice ages, while others lived in the warm climate of savannahs and deserts. Their clothes were different by definition.
    There are some very interesting twists. For example, scientists found that the separation of lice into hair and body forms occurred approximately 72 ± 42 thousand years ago.
    So do not rush to move on to the next period. And in the Stone Age, a lot of work and the same trousers probably deserve a separate article.
    1. Catfish 14 March 2020 18: 44 New
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      And in the Stone Age, a lot of work and the same trousers probably deserve a separate article.


      Exactly, Vic Nikolaevich, the truth about thongs was already here. smile
      1. Undecim 14 March 2020 18: 47 New
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        Something I will not mention an article about thongs.
        1. Catfish 14 March 2020 18: 48 New
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          This is the agony of creativity in the comments, people have fun as they can. wink
          1. Undecim 14 March 2020 18: 51 New
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            Your comment only confirms that the topic requires detailed study.
            Thongs, like their likely predecessor loincloth, are one of the earliest forms of human clothing, and it is believed that they were worn mainly or exclusively by men. Thongs were probably originally designed to protect, support, or hide the male genital organs.
            Because Vyacheslav Olegovich not even with his pants, but with the thong, you can start.
            1. Phil77 14 March 2020 19: 00 New
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              Oh! Well, you can’t do that !!!!! I’m just, sorry, I’m laughing at the top of my voice. good
            2. Catfish 14 March 2020 19: 08 New
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              Because Vyacheslav Olegovich not even with his pants, but with the thong, you can start.


              Exactly! And further in development through stockings with garters - directly to tights. Well ... exclusively for men. wassat
        2. Phil77 14 March 2020 18: 53 New
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          Hello Viktor Nikolayevich, you were right there was no article about this subject, but ... There was an interesting commentary with a mention of this subject, and some suggestion. Which one? I insist-interesting! laughing hi
          1. Undecim 14 March 2020 18: 55 New
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            I insist, interesting!
            Something obscene?
            1. Catfish 14 March 2020 18: 57 New
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              Something obscene?

              Can you imagine something else? laughing
            2. Phil77 14 March 2020 18: 58 New
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              Well, how can I tell you? No! But it’s ridiculous, which gave rise to the development of this topic. It’s still funny.
            3. Astra wild 14 March 2020 21: 41 New
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              Viktor Nikolaevich, you just look at Ryzhov’s article “The Inquisition in the United Kingdoms of Castile and Aragon” and my comment on it
      2. Phil77 14 March 2020 18: 55 New
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        Quote: Sea Cat
        the truth about thongs was already here.

        Konstantin! I’m just laughing !!!!
        1. Korsar4 14 March 2020 19: 37 New
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          This is a saga about the cyclical development of clothing. Superimposed on the cyclical climate. And plus the fight against surplus in Moscow 2042.
  • Astra wild 14 March 2020 20: 53 New
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    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Astra wild
    '' Adam or burned

    Well, there was still a choice. wink
    Abraham begat Isaac; Isaac begat Jacob; Jacob begat Judah and his brothers
    I got it. love

    You recalled one of my favorite Films: "The New Adventures of the Elusive Avengers Crown of the Russian Empire"
  • Astra wild 14 March 2020 21: 30 New
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    Quote: HanTengri
    Quote: From Siberia we
    Of course they are stupid. Would you feed your children "everyone"?

    It’s immediately obvious that you’ve never been an experimenter! After all, you can first feed "everyones" mother-in-law and other members of society who are of little use. laughing

    Do you consider yourself a necessary member of society? And if others doubt it.? Joke.
    When I studied at 3 m, we had an essay on a similar topic and we clever there
    1. Hantengri 14 March 2020 22: 59 New
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      Quote: Astra wild
      Do you consider yourself a necessary member of society?

      Of course!
      Quote: Astra wild
      And if others doubt it.?

      I can give a rope and soap! laughing
      1. Astra wild 15 March 2020 16: 09 New
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        To whom do you address this “flattering” gift?
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          Quote: Astra wild

          To whom do you address this “flattering” gift?

          Wai, Sepyabrink Hon, why is Vee so slow-witted? Mans, however, the Urus izig, on the whiter, did pisat! Wee said:
          Quote: Astra wild
          And if others doubt it.?

          About etah a scumbag ode, I am a pisser! Esliy Vi thinks himself, mans to blame emas! laughing
          PS "laughing"= joke
  • pmkemcity 15 March 2020 09: 26 New
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    It seems that the author did not start from that. The topic is certainly interesting - how a person dressed. But it was worth starting with how a person undressed. That is, how a hairless monkey turned out to be a naked man. What natural factors made him undress, and what prevented him from acquiring wool again.
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      Quote: pmkemcity
      It seems that the author did not start from that. The topic is certainly interesting - how a person dressed. But it was worth starting with how a person undressed. That is, how a hairless monkey turned out to be a naked man. What natural factors made him undress, and what prevented him from acquiring wool again.

      Dear Pavel, it was just about this at the VO that was my article, though for a long time. But you can find it through a search engine.
      1. pmkemcity 15 March 2020 14: 14 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        Dear Pavel, it was just about this at the VO that was my article, though for a long time. But you can find it through a search engine.

        Vyacheslav! It would be very interesting to get your point of view on this issue. I will be immensely grateful for the link. Personally, as a person who has been associated with water for a long time, I am more impressed with the theory of the formation of a person as a species emerging from the water, and not from the savannah. From the water, of course in the sense of the coastal strip, and not the world hi the ocean.
        1. kalibr 15 March 2020 16: 58 New
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          Dear Pavel! I would be happy to give you a link. But 1250 articles. And the habit of forgetting the old as soon as it is published. With all due respect to you and my desire to help in the enlightenment ... "crawl" over my 22 pages of VO above my strength. I don’t even remember a year ... It seems I remember the name "We are all from the same ship." But is it so - check for you!
          1. pmkemcity 16 March 2020 05: 57 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            It seems I remember the name "We are all from the same ship."

            Found this article - https://topwar.ru/87782-my-vse-ot-adama-i-evy-my-vse-s-odnogo-korablya-chast-2.html, but unfortunately it’s not about that .
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              Pavel, there was an article about the origin of people. But for a long time and I do not remember the name. Excuse me...
    2. Hantengri 15 March 2020 21: 12 New
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      Quote: pmkemcity
      What natural factors made him undress, and what prevented him from acquiring wool again.

      The man did not “undress” at all. The body hair, with us, on average, is about the same as that of a chimp. It’s just that they are slightly thinner, shorter and, for the most part, not pigmented. But the undercoat, warming in cold weather, is not present in both species.
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        The man did not “undress” at all. The body hair, with us, on average, is about the same as that of a chimp. It’s just that they are slightly thinner, shorter and, for the most part, not pigmented. But the undercoat, warming in cold weather, is not present in both species.

        I have not heard that chimpanzees would have subcutaneous fat (for example), and the human body's reactions to water are clearly different from monkeys.
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          Quote: pmkemcity
          I didn’t hear that the chimpanzee had subcutaneous fat (for example)

          Well, it depends on how you feed ... lol
          Quote: pmkemcity
          and the reactions of the human body to water are clearly different from monkeys.

          1) It depends on what kind of monkey.
          2) What are you doing, anyway? You asked:
          Quote: pmkemcity
          That is, how a hairless monkey turned out to be a naked man. What natural factors made him undress, and what prevented him from acquiring wool again.

          I flew to you, to the best of my knowledge.
          3) I advise you to discuss the theory of "dolphinopithecus" on http://antropogenez.ru with S. Drobyshevsky.
          1. pmkemcity 17 March 2020 05: 09 New
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            Quote: HanTengri
            http://antropogenez.ru

            Scientists Against Myths? I recalled a program with the same name on Science, where the scientist Zatevakhin said that dogs do not bite. And like that.
  • kalibr 15 March 2020 09: 28 New
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    Quote: bubalik
    A special regime was introduced in St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Region because of the coronavirus. And in the Kazan Cathedral there is a pandemonium: believers stand in line and massively apply to the relics of John the Baptist brought from Jerusalem, icons ... The local archpriest Alexander Pashkov told us: “the infection cannot spread in the church”, and the story of the coronavirus in Europe is “ anti-church campaign. "
    Reply

    Lord, what a wildness! Middle Ages have a rest! When going out into the street, oxolinic ointment in the nose, chewing clove inflorescences in the mouth ... I worked in lice for 35 years. Students sneezed at me, puffed, coughed ... and had never hurt anything like that ... But he plucked out a bunch of tubes and chewed cloves for several packets. This is the strongest natural antiseptic.
    1. 3x3zsave 15 March 2020 09: 46 New
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      It’s okay, but the fact that in St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Oblast a ban on mass events of over 1000 people has been introduced is generally beyond comprehension! We have every working morning in the subway - a massive event of a couple million in number, and a quarter of them are migrants!
    2. vladcub 15 March 2020 15: 31 New
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      I’m running for carnations. Here are just a small minus to your prescription: young people can easily tolerate all diseases, but we are not getting younger and the ecology then and now is a big difference. All this must be taken into account.
      1. kalibr 15 March 2020 16: 55 New
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        Quote: vladcub
        I’m running for carnations. Here are just a small minus to your prescription: young people can easily tolerate all diseases, but we are not getting younger and the ecology then and now is a big difference. All this must be taken into account.

        You, most importantly, chew. By the way, Casanova also chewed her, but with a slightly different purpose ...
        1. vladcub 15 March 2020 19: 30 New
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          Casanova is authority. People then mastered the method of "scientific poke", which then science confirmed
  • Grim Reaper 15 March 2020 11: 52 New
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    IN. Here you are constantly digging a thread, that you do not leave an Internet for a couple of days. :) Thank.
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