Two frigates of the Russian Navy passed the Bosphorus at once

Two frigates of the Russian Navy passed the Bosphorus at once

Russia sent two frigates of Project 11356 to the Mediterranean Sea - Admiral Grigorovich and Admiral Makarov. This was reported by the press service of the Black Sea fleet, which includes ships.


As explained at the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet, both frigates were sent to join the permanent group of the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean Sea, but earlier ships of this class were sent to the coast of Syria one at a time. Currently, the group includes one more similar frigate, Admiral Essen, which arrived on the Syrian coast in December 2019.

According to the latest data, the frigates calmly crossed the Black Sea straits and have already embarked on an accession in the Russian squadron.

Frigates "Admiral Makarov" and "Admiral Grigorovich" equipped with high-precision weapons - missile system "Caliber-NK", make a planned transition from Sevastopol to the distant sea zone, where they will be part of the forces of the permanent grouping of the Navy in the Mediterranean Sea

- Reported the press service.

Admiral Grigorovich and Admiral Makarov are the lead and second serial frigates of Project 11356, respectively. Built at the Baltic shipyard. Displacement of about 4 thousand tons, speed - 30 knots, sailing autonomy - 30 days. The frigates are armed with Caliber-NK and / or Onyx cruise missiles, the Shtil-1 self-defense missile system, the A-190 100 mm gun mount, anti-aircraft artillery, rocket launcher, torpedoes, and can also carry the Ka- 27 (or Ka-31).
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  1. figwam 28 February 2020 13: 25 New
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    They will enter the Mediterranean Sea and take up positions for a strike.
    1. Mar.Tirah 28 February 2020 13: 37 New
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      Russia makes it clear to Churkestan, we won’t back down. Turkey or someone else is there. Putin is to blame, by his actions made Erdogan feel his strength in Syria. They don’t understand the good things in the East. They are friendly and fast.
      1. Serg65 28 February 2020 13: 55 New
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        Quote: Mar. Tira
        Friendly and fast going

        Not higher than 10 knots.
      2. kit88 28 February 2020 14: 07 New
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        Somehow it's all too simple.
        Until recently, everyone was happy about our successes in BV, that the Russian Federation defeated everyone there and indicated their place to everyone.
        And here you are. The Turks went on the attack on the SAA.
        And on this whole Lafa ended? "The Straits will be blocked for us ... We will not have the opportunity to supply our group in Syria .... We can’t fight with Turkey .... Otherwise, TMV ... "Excuse me, and when we fit in with Assad, were we not afraid that the US would launch an attack on Damascus? And if they went, then we would run to Smolensk, only the heels sparkled?
        Or what?
        It turns out that the United States scared us, and the cunning Erdogan defeated us?
        I somehow fundamentally disagree with such an opinion and I think that it is far from evening, and no Damascus will fall under Erdogan, and even more so Moscow will not.
        1. Malyuta 28 February 2020 16: 14 New
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          Quote: kit88
          I somehow fundamentally disagree with such an opinion and I think that it is far from evening, and no Damascus will fall under Erdogan, and even more so Moscow will not.

          So of course we’ll fight for the first time.
        2. Chigi 28 February 2020 18: 36 New
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          Igor Rasteryaev has such a song, called "St. George Ribbon".
          And there are such words there
          "... and trample on a machine gun in a bayonet with a mat ..."
          I wouldn’t like that
          If you fight, then you need resources and continuous supplies.
  2. seti 28 February 2020 13: 25 New
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    To cool too hot heads.
    1. Bersaglieri 28 February 2020 13: 43 New
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      So.
  3. Boris Ivanov 28 February 2020 13: 26 New
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    work on anticipation .. on the possible closure of the Bosphorus. and the Dardanelles.
    1. Kurare 28 February 2020 13: 50 New
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      Quote: Boris Ivanov
      work on anticipation .. on the possible closure of the Bosphorus. and dardanelles

      In the event of a conflict, the straits can be taken into account on both sides. But then - this will have very dire consequences for Turkey.
      1. Grits 29 February 2020 01: 39 New
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        Quote: Kurare
        In the event of a conflict, the straits can be taken into account on both sides. But then - this will have very dire consequences for Turkey.

        And from the second side - where is it from? From the side of the Mediterranean? Excuse me, what to take on the sight? on frigates there are only 8 cells for Caliber. If we assume that Onyxes are not there and the ships are ready to be sunk by any missile boat. Then the straits account for a maximum of 24 missiles. So what can be destroyed with so many missiles on both banks of two straits of a sufficiently large length? Therefore, the straits will be kept at gunpoint by aviation. And the squadron, I think, is more armed with anti-ship missiles - Schaub was not in the habit of wandering around near the ships
    2. kjhg 28 February 2020 14: 00 New
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      Quote: Boris Ivanov
      work on anticipation .. on the possible closure of the Bosphorus. and the Dardanelles.

      Yes, and this is the right decision. It would be nice to take out the submarines, leaving no more than 3 out of 6 Varshavyanka in the Black Sea.
      1. Vadim Zhivov 28 February 2020 14: 04 New
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        It seems one in the Baltic is being repaired
      2. for
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        Quote: kjhg

        Yes, and this is the right decision. It would be nice to take out the submarines, leaving no more than 3 out of 6 Varshavyanka in the Black Sea.

        That's right, withdraw and leave there without supplies, or we have many bases there and support ships.
        1. kjhg 28 February 2020 16: 41 New
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          Right, withdraw and leave there without supplies, or we have many bases there and supply ships

          Well, we definitely have a base there in Tartus. In case of blockage of the Black Sea straits, provision will have to be established across the Baltic. What is there to do? I’m not saying that this is good, but I don’t see anything particularly complicated either.
  4. Sayan 28 February 2020 13: 26 New
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    However, they will “calibrate” someone to zero ....
    1. RideMaster 28 February 2020 14: 31 New
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      They zaminus of course, but in fact there are only 16 calibers, and I hope that at least half of the onyx are there, and as a result we have 8 calibers, can they somehow seriously change something?
      1. tranquil 28 February 2020 17: 42 New
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        I was always depressed by the modest number of missiles on our ships compared to the American destroyers :(
      2. Grigory_45 28 February 2020 17: 48 New
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        Quote: RideMaster
        in fact only 16 caliber

        you won’t scare anyone, and nothing more spectacular than expensive fireworks. SLCMs need to be launched in dozens, if not hundreds, so that there is a sane effect

        Quote: RideMaster
        and I hope that there is at least half of the onyx

        Project 11356 frigates cannot carry Onyx, only Caliber (yes, like that, not all of our ships equipped with UKKS can use both types of missiles)
        So the original - 16 Caliber - was true if the BC was completely loaded
  5. Sapsan136 28 February 2020 13: 27 New
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    So it begins ... Two frigates left, for the defense of the coast of the Russian Federation there remained 1 frigate ... not a lot ... You need to save on Chubais, and not on the fleet, Mr. Vova !!!
    1. Bersaglieri 28 February 2020 13: 41 New
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      For coastal defense there are coastal launchers of anti-ship missiles; how many “Bastions” are there in Crimea and Taman? They shot to Istanbul. Well, aviation. The Black Sea is a "puddle" shot through from the shore. And Crimea in this respect is ideal: with Fiolent, 100% coverage of the entire theater of potential of the “Bastions”.
      1. Sapsan136 28 February 2020 13: 44 New
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        The Black Sea is not a puddle, so only people far from the army can argue ... What good can you say that the Atlantic Ocean is a puddle, because it’s not an obstacle for ICBMs ... Only multipurpose ships, not coastal missile ships, can provide navigation and anti-submarine defense complexes ... Coastal missile systems are a good thing, but they can only supplement the fleet, and not replace it ...
        1. Bersaglieri 28 February 2020 14: 11 New
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          "Puddle" - in the sense of the reach of modern coastal-based weapons. The water area is small: only 390x600 km, pah! :)
        2. Bersaglieri 28 February 2020 14: 14 New
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          Ocean theater is a different matter. Anything that exceeds the range of tactical aviation and anti-ship missiles requires mobile platforms for "projection of force," for example, a fleet (well, or "strategists" with a fleet of refueling tanks loaded "out of reach" of anti-ship missiles with a launch range of 1000+ km :))
          .
        3. Xnumx vis 28 February 2020 14: 26 New
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          Quote: Sapsan136
          Only multipurpose ships, and not coastal missile systems, can provide navigation and anti-submarine defense ... Coastal missile systems are a good thing, but they can only supplement the fleet, and not replace it ...

          And that in the Black Sea Fleet there are only three frigates? Everything, there are no more ships!?
          1. Stalllker 28 February 2020 15: 06 New
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            And two missile hovercraft remained in the Black Sea Fleet ???
            1. Xnumx vis 28 February 2020 15: 17 New
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              Samu and Bora.
              1. Stalllker 28 February 2020 15: 49 New
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                Thanks! Are they still in service?
                1. Xnumx vis 28 February 2020 19: 18 New
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                  This is a live photo. I did, about two weeks or a month ago. And this image of Samum was made on the day of the Navy.
                  1. sabakina 28 February 2020 20: 16 New
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                    I read about Bor in the RG back in the 90s, as officers supported their ship in a more or less normal state for their salary. Honor and glory to those officers!
                    1. Xnumx vis 28 February 2020 20: 23 New
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                      Powerful, beautiful ships ... In the nineties and sea. Infantry (In Sevastopol) threw off the paint for armored personnel carriers .... There was nothing to themselves, they did not pay salaries. Herring for rations was cooked borsch, fried. soared, made cutlets, wink Cakes and cakes. Many are now sick of one type of herring ..
                  2. Stalllker 29 February 2020 04: 49 New
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                    Handsome !!! 8 missiles, for two 16, not a lot, well, not a little
                    1. Xnumx vis 29 February 2020 08: 51 New
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                      The main decent speed of 55 knots (101,9 km / h). Small. decently armed. nimble and speedy!
                      2 × 4 launchers of anti-ship missiles "Mosquito" (8 missiles 3M80)
                      1 × 2 launcher SAM "Osa-M" (20 missiles); 1 × 76-mm gun mount AK-176,
                      two 6-barrel 30 mm AK-630
          2. Garris199 1 March 2020 13: 43 New
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            Three Buyana-M still have with Caliber.
    2. Stalllker 28 February 2020 13: 44 New
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      To protect the coast, there are enough funds and forces, Ball, Bastion, SU-24, etc.
      1. Bersaglieri 28 February 2020 14: 12 New
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        Su-30, Su-34, and Tu-22M3 can help from Mozdok dramatically :) But here we have been nominated by some "shipophiles" who do not understand that in the closed waters of the Big Fleet they have not been needed for about 50 years.
    3. Xnumx vis 28 February 2020 14: 22 New
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      Quote: Sapsan136
      Currently, the group includes one more similar frigate, Admiral Essen, which arrived on the Syrian coast in December 2019.

      "At present, the group includes another frigate of the same type - Admiral Essen, which arrived on the Syrian coast in December 2019." All three ships will be near Syria. There is enough Naval forces left in the Black Sea to defend the territory of Russia and repel any challenges ... Tension your brain ...
      1. Bersaglieri 28 February 2020 14: 24 New
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        Everything in the ATS groups is there
        1. Xnumx vis 28 February 2020 14: 42 New
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          In Sevastopol, Moscow, Bora, Samum, new MRKashki Vyshny Volochek, Orekhovo-Zuevo, Ingushetia, under. boats, Escaras Quick-witted, Inquisitive (Good repair), Five shells, Mpk-Suzdalets, Muromets, Aleksandrovets, Kasimov, Povorino, Yeysk, we won’t talk about BDK and minesweepers + patrol ships + aviation + coastal defense troops ... What are you talking about !!
          1. Stalllker 28 February 2020 15: 51 New
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            Well, how without an alarmist ??? ))) without them it’s boring, someone the same on the "vacuum")))
          2. Sapsan136 28 February 2020 17: 29 New
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            Boats are not ships, but I ask all the heroes to the front, in case of war with Turkey, in the forefront, show how to fight, without frigates, using a personal example ... To fight, this is not to write from the office ...
            1. Xnumx vis 28 February 2020 19: 27 New
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              Do not boil. Do not drive a wave of fear! Turkey is one of those guys who scream during a fight ... Wai me! Gia, hold me tight! I’ll beat him now, cut him ... I can’t drag a dagger! Jarzhavello !!! So the waves ... And if you have to, then do not forget that we are a nuclear power. And no one canceled the Russian flag over Constantinople!
              1. Sapsan136 28 February 2020 19: 33 New
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                Bro, Turkey always started a war with Russia in the hope of foreign bayonets, earlier English, now American ... So war is quite likely ... Of course, you can shout that Turkey will not risk a war, and if it does ... Yes , Russia is a nuclear power, but how many defeatists we have and want to merge the interests of the Russian Federation, how many thieves have stolen everything that can and cannot be done, since they do not care about Russia, because they have long had the citizenship of NATO countries ... That's it, and fight again you and I will have to suspect that again, with almost bare hands ... Someone’s heroism, it always follows from someone’s crimes ... You must admit that the Russian fleet is not in the best condition and there are not enough forces to reanimate and put it in order ... Old ships, Soviet-built, are still decommissioned faster than new ones are being built, for them replacements and it’s sad, to say the least ..
                1. Xnumx vis 28 February 2020 19: 37 New
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                  I agree with many, but the panic is premature.
                  1. Sapsan136 28 February 2020 19: 40 New
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                    This is not panic, it is an aversion to those who have brought our country and army to today's not happy state .. I live on the border with Ukraine, in a city claimed by Bandera .. In the safe there are 500 rounds ... I won’t run, I’m too old to run You’ll have to run away from me ..
                    1. Xnumx vis 28 February 2020 19: 56 New
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                      I understand you. Friends live in those parts .. I know a lot about the fleet. I live in Sevastopol. The current fleet is stronger than the fleet of the early 2000s. In preparation, in technology, weapons, ships. Ukraine ... I don’t know what is in their head ... But they go to Sevastopol to earn money ... For Muscovite money .... They work ... They are silent, they are watching. think ... If they can think. I hope not forgot how to think ....
                      1. Sapsan136 28 February 2020 20: 03 New
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                        They are full of earnings and in Moscow and Voronezh and Rostov, including on the highways ... this does not stop them from hating our country, moreover, among those who have Russian citizenship there are not a few who have the audacity to threaten terrorist acts and sabotage on the territory Russia, in the event of a war between the Russian Federation and Ukraine ... Turkey ... The difficult legacy of the USSR, the patriots of foreign states lost in Russia ... The fleet of Ukraine, today it sounds like a joke, but Turkey has a fleet, including two latest stealth corvettes and a dozen missile submarines of German production, with an underwater launch of RCC Garp n ... In view of the withdrawal of the Black Sea with the three new corvettes, the fleet today is weaker than in 2000 - m, BOD Kerch and TFR Smetliviy no longer in service, and replace them there ...
                      2. Xnumx vis 28 February 2020 20: 16 New
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                        BOD Kerch, ship of the ocean zone! Savvy served his. By faith and truth. The cruiser Moscow is needed in the Mediterranean Sea - the ocean ... A bird of another flight! For the Black Sea, now enough new MRS and new patrol ships are enough ..! . With the latest electronic and other weapons. Under the cover of air defense systems SS-400. Everything's under control !
                      3. Sapsan136 28 February 2020 20: 21 New
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                        Neither RTOs nor patrol ships will be able to fight German-made Turkish missile submarines, and they have no decent air defense systems ... RTOs can qualitatively replace only missile boats, but a boat, not a ship, the fleet cannot consist only of boats .. . A fleet consisting only of boats, this is not a fleet, it is useless in war ...
                      4. Xnumx vis 28 February 2020 20: 27 New
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                        Decent air defense systems are on the peninsula! Which cover the whole Black Sea! In Sevastopol, Novorossiysk are Small Antisubmarine Ships. Do not be afraid . Everything is under control .. Plus fleet aviation ...
                      5. Sapsan136 28 February 2020 20: 29 New
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                        IPC and anti-submarine aviation, by 90, if not more than% are outdated to the limit, they are still Soviet-made and against the latest German-made submarines are practically useless ... They have nothing under control, unfortunately, the talkers and thieves in the offices got too much divorced. ..Fighting again will have to be in the minority and often with bare hands ... On the Black Sea there are only 5 submarines, if these were not sent to Syria, the sixth went for repair ... Three new frigates went to Middle-earth, there are no new weapons, and coastal missiles do not drown enemy submarines ...
                      6. Xnumx vis 28 February 2020 21: 41 New
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                        I understand you .. Use lost chef! Give up !!!
                      7. Sergey S. 28 February 2020 22: 55 New
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                        Quote: 30 vis
                        I understand you .. Use lost chef! Give up !!!

                        Not funny.
                      8. Xnumx vis 28 February 2020 23: 07 New
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                        And no one says that alarmism is ridiculous ...
                      9. Sapsan136 29 February 2020 09: 18 New
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                        Nobody talks about surrender, but due to the fact that the money went to amuse Chubais and other crooks, the army didn’t receive the necessary weapons, including warships, and this will lead to an increase in losses, on our part, if not worse, we need to understand this
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                  That's right, but five diesel-electric submarines 636.6 will be good at anti-submarine defense. This is their specialization.
  • sabakina 28 February 2020 20: 22 New
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    Quote: 30 vis
    Do not boil. Do not drive a wave of fear! Turkey is one of those guys who scream during a fight ... Wai me! Gia, hold me tight! I’ll beat him now, cut him ... I can’t drag a dagger! Jarzhavello !!!
    They just did not see our films. My advice. show them how it happens ... repeat
  • jeka424 28 February 2020 23: 03 New
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    And in the Mediterranean Sea that there are past 3, who knows
  • Grits 29 February 2020 01: 46 New
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    Quote: 30 vis
    Sevastopol remained Moscow, Bora, Samum, new MRKashki Vyshny Volochek, Orekhovo-Zuevo, Ingushetia, under. boats, Escaras Quick-witted, Inquisitive (Good repair), Five shells, Mpk-Suzdalets, Muromets, Aleksandrovets, Kasimov, Povorino, Yeysk, we won’t talk about BDK and minesweepers + patrol ships + aviation + coastal defense troops ... What are you talking about !!


    For clarity, to make it clear to the people. The truth is already somewhat outdated picture, but nonetheless ...
  • Andrei Nikolaevich 28 February 2020 13: 28 New
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    What will be next is very interesting. But something that the Turks painted too quickly their "successes". Let's wait. We will see...
  • Bersaglieri 28 February 2020 13: 40 New
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    16 KR in PU. In what equipment is it for ground targets or anti-ship missiles? Rather, the second, since "on the ground" it is easier to launch from the Caspian Sea and from the missile carriers of YES.
    1. Stalllker 28 February 2020 13: 45 New
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      And they will be allowed from the Caspian if need be
    2. maidan.izrailovich 28 February 2020 14: 05 New
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      ... it is easier to launch from the Caspian Sea and from the missile carriers of YES.

      Not easier. Iran’s permission needed. It is clear that we are allies in Syria. But it’s one thing for the barmalei to wet, another thing to come into conflict with a neighbor, a member of NATO. All the more, all this time (while the pressure on Turkey was going on), we never heard Iran’s intelligible position on this issue. All the time, only the confrontation between Russia and Turkey is heard.
      1. Bersaglieri 28 February 2020 14: 25 New
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        Iran will give this with joy :)
    3. Grigory_45 28 February 2020 17: 51 New
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      Quote: Bersaglieri
      “on the ground” is easier to launch from the Caspian Sea and from missile carriers YES

      so that they fly through Turkish territory and be shot down twenty times?
      Yes, Srateg !!! With a capital letter!
      1. Grits 29 February 2020 01: 55 New
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        Quote: Gregory_45
        so that they fly through Turkish territory and be shot down twenty times?
        Yes, Srateg !!! With a capital letter!

        Write to us what Turkey has available from air defense, which can effectively bring down modern missiles?
    4. Xnumx vis 28 February 2020 19: 31 New
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      Quote: Bersaglieri
      16 KR in PU. In what equipment is it for ground targets or anti-ship missiles?

      The main thing is how many of the calibers with a nuclear warhead!
  • Pytnik 28 February 2020 13: 42 New
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    Quote: Sapsan136
    Two frigates left, 1 frigate left to defend the coast of the Russian Federation

    Essen since December in the Mediterranean .... for the defense there were a couple of TFR, well, patrol ships
    1. Sapsan136 28 February 2020 13: 48 New
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      So it’s still sadder ... What you call TFR, in fact, two anti-submarine ships, Soviet-built, whose missile and torpedo range is only 50 km, and this is not enough for naval combat.
      1. Paranoid50 28 February 2020 13: 54 New
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        Quote: Sapsan136
        So it’s still sadder ...

        laughing laughing laughing The trouble is the trouble ...
      2. maidan.izrailovich 28 February 2020 14: 07 New
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        So it’s still sadder ...

        Greta Tunberg believes that everything is much sadder even yours "even sadder." crying
        Try to surpass it. lol
      3. Pytnik 28 February 2020 14: 16 New
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        339 km from Sevastopol to Istanbul in a straight line, what kind of fights do you write about in the Black Sea? ... ... everything is fine with the aircraft + coastal complexes and don't forget about the submarines
        The 4th Constance Order of Ushakov, a separate brigade of submarines, military unit 95200 (Novorossiysk)
        # Project Name Class Year Status
        607 877 B-871 Alrosa diesel-electric submarines 1990 in modernization
        555 636.3 B-261 Novorossiysk DEPL 2014 in service
        556 636.3 B-237 Rostov-on-Don DEPL 2014 in service
        481 636.3 B-262 "Stary Oskol" DEPL 2015 in service
        482 636.3 B-265 Krasnodar DEPL 2015 in service
        636.3 B-268 "Veliky Novgorod" DEPL 2016 in service
        636.3 B-271 Kolpino DEPL 2016 in service
        1. Bersaglieri 28 February 2020 17: 00 New
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          7x4 = 28 "Caliber" in one salvo.
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            From the domain .az minus, or what? :)
  • Ru_Na 28 February 2020 13: 59 New
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    3 frigates with calibers, it seems that something serious is ripening.
    1. Vadim Zhivov 28 February 2020 14: 14 New
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      It doesn’t mature, but I don’t remember that all three “admirals” were together behind the straits hi
      "
      1. Bersaglieri 28 February 2020 14: 27 New
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        24 anti-ship missiles in a salvo (if loaded) - “outfit” for AUG (without a full escort) or for AUG standard.
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          From the domain .az minus, or what? :)
    2. Dart 28 February 2020 14: 53 New
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      on the contrary, that would not have matured ...
  • Doctor 28 February 2020 14: 02 New
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    If the Turks decide to eat seriously, the frigates will not decide anything. Even an aircraft carrier would not have decided anything. Only the goal is bigger.
    1. Nastia makarova 28 February 2020 14: 11 New
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      Putin and Edik had a telephone conversation, agreed that they could meet soon and eat ice cream
      1. certero 28 February 2020 14: 17 New
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        Panas fight at the lackeys forelocks crack.
        1. Vladimir61 28 February 2020 14: 31 New
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          Quote: certero
          Panas fight at the lackeys forelocks crack.

          I didn’t confuse the country - pans and slaves in Ukraine!
          1. certero 28 February 2020 14: 37 New
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            Actually, this is an old Russian expression. equally applicable to Russia what to Ukraine what to Turkey
            1. Vladimir61 29 February 2020 00: 35 New
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              Quote: certero
              Actually, this is an old Russian expression. equally applicable to Russia what to Ukraine what to Turkey

              This proverb is of Ukrainian origin - Yak pani b'yutsya - at the clap chubi to rub.
              In addition, the Russian "pan" is a landowner! If we proceed not from the class, but as a polite treatment, then for the Russians, this is also not a "pan", but a "master."
              If half of Moscow is "SHOCKING", this does not mean that it is, a Russian pronoun!
              1. certero 29 February 2020 18: 58 New
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                For some reason, they began to pull the national question to where it was not necessary. The Russian language is flexible enough to accept constructions from different languages ​​and then consider it your own.
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                  1. certero 1 March 2020 00: 27 New
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                    I would like to answer you with the expression of Minister Lavrov, but I'm afraid they will be banned for this.
                    Like you in Ukraine, and arranged such a nationalistic garbage.
                    1. Vladimir61 1 March 2020 02: 34 New
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                      I would like to answer you with the expression of Minister Lavrov, but I'm afraid they will be banned for this.

                      Not worth it! Do without "our" Lavrov. And the President elected by the majority of the people, I do not regard myself as a serf, I do not consider myself a slave!
                      Spin around Zelensky, Erdogan and Pristaylo ... they will like you.
                  2. svp67 1 March 2020 05: 42 New
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                    Quote: Vladimir61
                    This proverb is of Ukrainian origin - Yak pani b'yutsya - at the clap chubi to rub.

                    Are you a nationalist?
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                    I, Russian, Russian guys are fighting and dying there, and I am obliged not to react to your boorish, hohlyatny comparison!

                    Quote: Vladimir61
                    I, Russian, Russian guys are fighting and dying there, and I am obliged not to react to your boorish, hohlyatny comparison!

                    Do not you think that you are sliding into Nazism? Have you ever wondered how many of our wars fighting there have Ukrainian roots?
                    Only officially in our country now on the territory of the Russian Federation about 3 million people consider themselves ethnic Ukrainians. And do you have, if you dig around, there are no Ukrainians in the family?
              2. svp67 1 March 2020 05: 46 New
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                Quote: Vladimir61
                If half of Moscow is "SHOCKING", this does not mean that it is, a Russian pronoun!

                But this does not mean that these are second-class people and they must be humiliated. In our southern regions, there are a lot of people and they’re “shocking” and “wacking,” but they consider themselves quite Russian. And what will we do with those who are “Akayet” or “Okoyet”? Of these, many are not Slavs at all.
                "Pans are fighting, and forelocks are cracking with us ..."
                And in Russia, Ukrainians, is it not enough?
                Well, we split ... still faint now?
                So that the hands of the enemy of the pack rubbed?

                Victor Boboshin 12.08.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX
                1. Vladimir61 1 March 2020 12: 27 New
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                  Just like at school, complained ...
                  As for the Ukrainian roots, - the mother and her parents, the spouse and her parents, are Ukrainians! Himself, he spent most of his life in the Donbass!
                  After the coup in Ukraine, a folk vocabulary that existed for hundreds of years, used without any bias, like neutral ethnonym, always and at all times throughout Ukraine, transferred to a political subtext. It was the nationalist Westerners who seized power who started to cheat, and many quickly played along with them and erected a literary expression (if anyone read Ukrainian classics, for example, Nikolai Gogol, Ostap Vishnyu, Ivan Kotlyarevsky, and Anton Pavlovich Chekhov, at the same time), and I He studied the Ukrainian language and literature for 10 years, with excellent marks. And it all started with the fact that the Canadian Ukrainian landing, settled in Ukraine after the coup, equated the word "Ukrainian" with the American, offensive, "niger"!
                  If you think you’ve violated, punish me - they don’t die from this!
      2. Bersaglieri 28 February 2020 14: 28 New
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        Donner kebabs are eaten and washed down by Altai :)
  • The Expendables 28 February 2020 15: 31 New
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    The Bosphorus then passed, but how back ..? Turkey impudently in Syria specifically ..
    Well seven feet under the keel of the sailors! Where ours didn’t disappear ..
    1. Bersaglieri 28 February 2020 17: 01 New
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      And back, they’ll come to Baltiysk or Severomorsk, if that.
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  • Tuzik 28 February 2020 15: 43 New
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    in theory from the Crimea and Iskander will get to Ankara, so this is not against Turkey
    1. Bersaglieri 28 February 2020 17: 01 New
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      We do not consider land-to-land means - this is already a war
  • Victor March 47 28 February 2020 16: 07 New
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    Somehow it's all too simple.
    Until recently, everyone was happy about our successes in BV, that the Russian Federation defeated everyone there and indicated their place to everyone.
    And here you are. The Turks went on the attack on the SAA.
    And on this whole Lafa ended? "The Straits will be blocked for us ... We will not have the opportunity to supply our group in Syria .... We can’t fight with Turkey .... Otherwise, TMV ... "Excuse me, and when we fit in with Assad, were we not afraid that the US would launch an attack on Damascus? And if they went, then we would run to Smolensk, only the heels sparkled?
    Or what?
    It turns out that the United States scared us, and the cunning Erdogan defeated us?
    I somehow fundamentally disagree with such an opinion and I think that it is far from evening, and no Damascus will fall under Erdogan, and even more so Moscow will not.

    Erdogan is about to be demolished, from here he rushes about like a headless chicken.
    To block the straits for us is to run into a breakthrough. And they do not have such a right under the Montreux agreement. Our not Turks are beating in Syria, and not really looking whom. Let the bandits not get in the crowd. Caught under the distribution, they themselves are to blame. While Pasha is silent that his nukers have been soaked. To recognize this means to solve the problem, what to do, to answer Russia, or not. The answer is to fight a nuclear country, and there will be no help from NATO. Penguins have already told him that his problems are for him to solve. Do not admit - crap with their own. Hence, neither yes nor no. He will get involved in a scandal with us - he will get a new option for managing the straits, when to decide whether to let them go or not, we will be. And do not forget that next to it is Iran, with which the Turks have always fought. And the Persians also have their own interests in Syria.
  • Orel 28 February 2020 16: 26 New
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    The main thing is to let back)
  • Thunderbolt 28 February 2020 17: 40 New
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    Good luck to the sailors, return home. Motherland is waiting for you and proud of you. By fighting maneuvering in the Eastern Mediterranean, you provide a quiet sleep for us Samaritans, Krasnoyarsk and Vladivostok residents.
    ... And they say there are flying fish
    Beautiful Greek women on the shores
    Beautiful and white blocks
    White blocks of marble gray shores ...
  • Bagatur 28 February 2020 19: 36 New
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    Shooting Caliber. 8 pikes ... and then?
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    Quote: Serg65
    Not higher than 10 knots.

    In the crowded places of the court and narrowness it is impossible to go at full speed and create excitement
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    Not higher than 10 knots.

    And above it is impossible. According to the rules of movement of the transit fleet through the straits.
  • lvov_aleksey 29 February 2020 21: 37 New
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    the bundles of our "friends" are over, and therefore the Turks need a call to the Kremlin.
  • lvov_aleksey 29 February 2020 21: 39 New
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    Quote: bagatura
    Shooting Caliber. 8 pikes ... and then?

    but forgot about the Caspian and the Black Sea Fleet? or do we need permission there too !!! !!! I have not said anything about the videoconferencing ...
  • lvov_aleksey 29 February 2020 21: 44 New
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    Quote: Victor March 47
    Quote: kit88
    Somehow it's all too simple.
    Until recently, everyone was happy about our successes in BV, that the Russian Federation defeated everyone there and indicated their place to everyone.
    And here you are. The Turks went on the attack on the SAA.
    And on this whole Lafa ended? "The Straits will be blocked for us ... We will not have the opportunity to supply our group in Syria .... We can’t fight with Turkey .... Otherwise, TMV ... "Excuse me, and when we fit in with Assad, were we not afraid that the US would launch an attack on Damascus? And if they went, then we would run to Smolensk, only the heels sparkled?
    Or what?
    It turns out that the United States scared us, and the cunning Erdogan defeated us?
    I somehow fundamentally disagree with such an opinion and I think that it is far from evening, and no Damascus will fall under Erdogan, and even more so Moscow will not.

    Erdogan is about to be demolished, from here he rushes about like a headless chicken.
    To block the straits for us is to run into a breakthrough. And they do not have such a right under the Montreux agreement. Our not Turks are beating in Syria, and not really looking whom. Let the bandits not get in the crowd. Caught under the distribution, they themselves are to blame. While Pasha is silent that his nukers have been soaked. To recognize this means to solve the problem, what to do, to answer Russia, or not. The answer is to fight a nuclear country, and there will be no help from NATO. Penguins have already told him that his problems are for him to solve. Do not admit - crap with their own. Hence, neither yes nor no. He will get involved in a scandal with us - he will get a new option for managing the straits, when to decide whether to let them go or not, we will be. And do not forget that next to it is Iran, with which the Turks have always fought. And the Persians also have their own interests in Syria.

    Unfortunately, Georgia of 2008 is reminded to me ...
    ps let's see who will carry with fear ...