The United States and Britain can not decide on a trip to Moscow for the Victory Parade

Washington and London faced the dilemma of whether or not to go to Moscow to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the end of World War II. This writes the British edition of The Guardian.

According to the publication, representatives of the UK and US authorities have been negotiating a coordinated response to Putin’s invitation to participate in celebrations in Moscow for the 75th anniversary of victory in the Great Patriotic War for several weeks. The situation is aggravated by the fact that the French leader Emmanuel Macron has already agreed to come to Moscow, and there is Donald Trump, who is distinguished by his unpredictability, who was also invited and he can answer with consent.

In London, they say that if you refuse the invitation, it will show the differences that exist in the West, and can also be regarded as a demonstration of disrespect for the common efforts to combat Nazism. On the other hand, if you accept the invitation, it means connivance to the military adventures of Moscow, since the units "participating in the bombing of the civilian population of Syria, in the occupation of Crimea and in military operations in Donbass" can pass by the stands.

Western leaders should not honor the army that is still occupying part of Ukraine and pay tribute to those military units that kill people in Idlib

- the newspaper quotes one of the diplomats.

At the same time, London and Washington annoyedly talk about Macron, "who did not consult with partners" and put them "before a difficult choice."

Two options are currently being considered: to come to Moscow and take part in special events, but not to go to the parade, criticizing Russia for Syria and Ukraine; to come to Moscow, to participate in all events, but on May 8 to attend events in Kiev, where Ukraine will recall the suffering of people during the Second World War, without supporting Russian aggression.

Comments

[Gunner]

the author is English, damn it, World War II ended on September 2, 1945, and on May 9 Victory in the Great Patriotic War is celebrated. Where are they going to go and what to celebrate?

[cniza]

Because ignoramuses, crafty ...

[cost]

In London, they say that if you refuse the invitation, it will show the differences that exist in the West, and can also be regarded as a demonstration of disrespect for the common efforts to combat Nazism. On the other hand, if you accept the invitation, it means connivance to the military adventures of Moscow, since the units "participating in the bombing of the civilian population of Syria, in the occupation of Crimea and in military operations in Donbass" can pass by the stands.

This "our partners" can still endure But what if Petrov, Basharov and Chapman drive a barrel of a rookie past the stands?

[cniza]

You are jiving, but they can accept at face value ...

[Greenwood]

May 8 - Day of the surrender of Nazi Germany. The capitulation of the Germans took the USSR and the Allies.

[Machito]

The USA and Great Britain are conducting aggressive wars in many countries of the world.
Well, which of us is the aggressor?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Bearded

Well, which of us is the aggressor?

We know that, but they consider themselves "carriers of democracy."

[Olgovich]

Quote: Gunner

, The Second World War ended on September 2, 1945, and on May 9 Victory in the Great Patriotic War is celebrated.

You are right.

At the same time, World War II in Europe officially ended on May 8 (9), 1945 with the signing of the Act of Unconditional Surrender of Germany.

And this is an occasion to all countries to celebrate the Victory.

But if the Angles do not want to, figs with them: exactly OUR country has made a decisive contribution and we will celebrate its Victory!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gunner

The Second World War ended on September 2, 1945,

Only WWII veterans for some reason did not rely on benefits from May 9 to September 2, 1945. In any case, my father did not receive.

[NEXUS]

They would only invite veterans from the side who fought against the Nazis. And let these chief officers think themselves to send someone or not. At the same time there will be many tourists from the same England who understand and share our memory.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

They have nothing to do here.
They sponsored Hitler, then they started a war with his hands.
And now their name is in Moscow for special occasions.
What for? They call us a lot?
After the Parade, they will impose new sanctions on us and will still laugh at us!

[English tarantas]

About WWII it says only

where Ukraine will remember the suffering of people during the Second World War

Did the Great Patriotic War coincide in time with the Second World War?

[DMB 75]

They don’t want, they don’t have to. The air will be cleaner. Let the veterans come, who escorted the convoys and shed blood on the fronts, we will be glad to see them, not the Anglo-Saxon officials.

[Well done]

Hypocritical "allies"! We don't really need them here.

[Dmitry Potapov]

Master, master, our business to offer! But in fact, it turns out that they over the hill agree that the main winners are (USSR) Russia!

[aszzz888]

Washington and London faced a dilemma - to go or not to go to Moscow for ceremonies dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the end of World War II

Do we need it ?! Even without them we know who raised the Banner of Victory over the Reichstag.

[Zoldat_A]

to come to Moscow and participate in special events, but not to go to the parade, criticizing Russia for Syria and Ukraine

ZE came to Israel, stood at the Kotel and left. Why did you come?

And these "winners" will come, go to the Tretyakov Gallery, Trump will look at McDonald's - and go home. This is the first time I see that Ukraine is not equal to the Naglo-Saxons, but vice versa.

What do they smoke there?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Zoldat_A

ZE came to Israel, stood at the Kotel and left. Why did you come?

Stand up to the "Wailing Wall", and leave a note with a wish in the wall.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Zoldat_A

ZE came to Israel, stood at the Kotel and left. Why did you come?

Stand up to the "Wailing Wall", and leave a note with a wish in the wall.

I even guess what he asked for there. No, not victories over Russia. Prosperity "Quarter 95".

[Mathafaka]

"winners"

Learn the story of uncle.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Mathafaka

"winners"

Learn the story of uncle.

Uncle taught.

And the "nephew", apparently, forgot to read how many divisions the Red Army grinded and how many all the "allies" put together. When the Second Front was opened - the "nephew" did not read it on Wikipedia either - when it became clear that one could be late for the "pie" section. And why in 45 Churchill's plan "Unthinkable" about the war of the USSR did not work - only because in this case Stalin would have spit on Japan and America would still be fooled by the yupps - the "nephew" does not know about that either ..

I also found a "historian of the exam" ... At school, they didn't even teach me how to put commas.

[g1washntwn]

if you refuse the invitation, it will show the differences that exist in the West, and can also be regarded as a demonstration of disrespect for the common efforts to combat Nazism

Judging by the alphabetical order, the fight against Nazism is far from the first place, ahead as usual "$ ave my a $$!" and search for profit. The options for action are also, in principle, reduced to one "how to mess things up", and how and when - details.

[Thrifty]

Is politics above common sense and history? We will easily survive their absence at the May 9 parade, because we will never change the history of our country and its Victory for "partners"!

[prior]

In the same way, they opened a second front: to go, not to go, to open, not to open.
I think that they will blame the coronavirus for everything, or they will remember the fable about the "newbie" and stay at home.
That's nice, less unnecessary hypocrisy and lies.

[cniza]

Quote: prior

In the same way, they opened a second front: to go, not to go, to open, not to open.

That's right, until the fried smells or feels that you can grab something ...

[cniza]

The United States and Britain can not decide on a trip to Moscow for the Victory Parade

Well, there’s nothing for you to do here, everyone is looking for profit ...

[1536]

And it's good that those who don't understand who will not come. It is disgusting to see how those who cherish the plans for the atomic bombing of Russia, the destruction of Moscow, the destruction of the people of our country, will sit in the guest bleachers on Red Square. Moreover, the role of both the United States and Britain in World War II is ambiguous. American banks subsidized Hitler, and the demoniac Fuhrer himself considered the Anglo-Saxons a "brotherly people". So what? Why bother calling these people? Lend Lease? Come on, the first deliveries of military equipment within the framework of this "program" went only at the end of 1941, when the Germans were already exhausted and were defeated near Moscow by the Red Army. The Americans generally waited right up to 1944 to take part in hostilities in Europe, when the territory of the USSR was completely liberated from the Nazis and Soviet troops began to strangle the Nazis in their lair. And for crimes against humanity in Japan, the United States will still be held accountable before the court of history. So, let them stay at home, if, of course, they don’t bend the Turks to attack Russia during these months.

[English tarantas]

In general, you are right, but small corrections. The allies in Europe were already from the middle of the 43rd, they moved from Africa to Italy. As for Japan and the United States with their crimes, the Japanese will have a higher score, the Americans for the half century of occupation have violated much less than the Japanese in the occupied territories, although they are far from order on the Soviet side of the occupation.

[1536]

Amendments are accepted! But still, Sicily is an island, and not all of Italy, but the American expeditionary force landed on Sicily. Today's historians even say that this operation allowed the Red Army to win on the Kursk. But let's see how many Germans and Allied soldiers died in this operation. And compare this with the irretrievable losses of German and Soviet troops near Kursk. It will become clear that rather a heroic defense near Kursk and the subsequent offensive of parts of the Red Army ensured the Americans victory in Sicily.
As for the Japanese, here you are right, dear, they have committed crimes against humanity not less, but, possibly, more. But you must admit, there was no military need to carry out atomic bombings of Japanese cities, thus destroying the civilian population in droves, exposing them to infection with radiation sickness, from which there is no escape, from which people are still dying in Japan. The Americans sought to prove their power to the Allies, especially to the USSR. Thus, they committed a crime for which there is no justification, and there is no statute of limitation for these actions either. This is the Americans must admit!

[English tarantas]

About the atomic bombings. At that time, no one had any special idea of ​​what radiation was and what it was doing. But what the epidemics and toxic gases do to people, the Japanese knew and used this very well. In addition, the Americans had predictions about how much the battle for Japan would cost, how much the United States would lose the resources invested and expected from Japan if Japan and Korea entered the Soviet occupation zone, and what would happen if the USSR attacked Japan before the United States defeated it. So, having become acquainted with the reasons for the decision to bomb Japan over time, I still understand the Americans and consider the move justified, for my place and time.

[English tarantas]

Today's historians even say that this operation allowed the Red Army to win on the Kursk. But let's see how many Germans and Allied soldiers died in this operation.

It is not the losses that should be compared, but how many Germans didn’t bring to Kursk or didn’t have time to deliver, even if they were going to. Because, for example, if the Soviet Union at 44m would not have continued to develop a strategic offensive, the Allied campaign in Europe could have failed, but if it had not been for the European campaign, then the battles for Germany would have been much harder for the USSR.

[Van 16]

Russia will celebrate the Victory in the Great Patriotic War. But our allies will come or not come - this is the tenth matter, these are their problems, we will not worry and be upset at all.

[Evdokim]

Yes, they went into the forest, on a long erotic journey.

[Whalebone]

The United States and Britain have their own victory days. Since May 9, do not match. It is necessary to call, it is politeness. But to be offended, if they do not come, is not worth it.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Whalebone

The USA and Britain have their victory days

Quote: Whalebone

Since May 9, do not match.

Their problems.

Quote: Whalebone

Need to call

Already.

Quote: Whalebone

But to be offended, if they do not come, is not worth it.

Who are they to take offense at? Too much honor ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Whalebone

The United States and Britain have their own victory days. Since May 9, do not match.

We have our own Victory in the Great Patriotic War on May 9, 1945, they have their own victory on May 8, 1945, but which is not clear, because the Victory in WWII was on September 2, 1945.

[Vladimir B.]

why do we need their officials at a holiday dedicated to the victory of the USSR over Germany? we’ll do without them.

[Ross xnumx]

In London they say that if you refuse the invitation, it will show the differences that exist in the West, and can also be regarded as a demonstration of disrespect for the common efforts to combat Nazism.

And if you withdraw all the invitations to those who have nothing to do with Victory Day? It’s just to gather real veterans on Red Square who “brought this day closer as they could,” and thanks to which this holiday of the whole Russian people became possible ...
We don’t call different “people standing by the dish” for our birthday. What the hell are these “Misters and Mrs. Vinegars” for?

[tihonmarine]

Western leaders should not honor the army that is still occupying part of Ukraine and pay tribute to those military units that kill people in Idlib

Western leaders should first of all respect and honor the leaders of the anti-Hitler coalition of Stalin, Roosevelt, Churchill and the army of those states that broke Hitler’s ridge, these are the Red Army, the US Army and the United Kingdom.

[bar]

may be regarded as a demonstration of disrespect for the common efforts to combat Nazism

The grandmother remembered the girlish shame. Just think what scruples. And then they no longer showed this disrespect wherever they could.

[Ros 56]

What stupid these arrogant Saxons can’t even decide whether to honor the soldiers and Soviet soldiers who won in a joint struggle against fascism.

[16112014nk]

The Naglo-Saxons understand that it is necessary to go to Moscow, but just as wolves cannot jump over the flags, so they cannot decide on this trip. So they will stand in the position of "Buridan's donkey".

[Vladimir Mashkov]

They are very indecisive! Like that rushing monkey that didn’t know where to stand: left or right!

[faterdom]

Petrov and Boshirov, under the command of Mishkin, grinning famously marched past the astonished Boris Johnson. LDPR deputy Andrei Lugovoi will stand beside him brazenly ...
No, this is unbearable for a real gentleman.
Do not come - we do not need you here!

[Metallurg_2]

and can also be regarded as a demonstration of disrespect for the common efforts to combat Nazism

But did England and France precisely fight Nazism?
They brought Hitler to power, then pumped up his economy with money, contributed in every way to the restoration of the army and navy, and signed the Munich Agreement.
And you can also remember the "Unthinkable" plan.