The United States and Britain can not decide on a trip to Moscow for the Victory Parade

The United States and Britain can not decide on a trip to Moscow for the Victory Parade

Washington and London faced the dilemma of whether or not to go to Moscow to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the end of World War II. This writes the British edition of The Guardian.


According to the publication, representatives of the UK and US authorities have been negotiating a coordinated response to Putin’s invitation to participate in celebrations in Moscow for the 75th anniversary of victory in the Great Patriotic War for several weeks. The situation is aggravated by the fact that the French leader Emmanuel Macron has already agreed to come to Moscow, and there is Donald Trump, who is distinguished by his unpredictability, who was also invited and he can answer with consent.

In London, they say that if you refuse the invitation, it will show the differences that exist in the West, and can also be regarded as a demonstration of disrespect for the common efforts to combat Nazism. On the other hand, if you accept the invitation, it means connivance to the military adventures of Moscow, since the units "participating in the bombing of the civilian population of Syria, in the occupation of Crimea and in military operations in Donbass" can pass by the stands.

Western leaders should not honor the army that is still occupying part of Ukraine and pay tribute to those military units that kill people in Idlib

- the newspaper quotes one of the diplomats.

At the same time, London and Washington annoyedly talk about Macron, "who did not consult with partners" and put them "before a difficult choice."

Two options are currently being considered: to come to Moscow and take part in special events, but not to go to the parade, criticizing Russia for Syria and Ukraine; to come to Moscow, to participate in all events, but on May 8 to attend events in Kiev, where Ukraine will recall the suffering of people during the Second World War, without supporting Russian aggression.
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  1. Gunner 28 February 2020 12: 02 New
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    the author is English, damn it, World War II ended on September 2, 1945, and on May 9 Victory in the Great Patriotic War is celebrated. Where are they going to go and what to celebrate?
    1. cniza 28 February 2020 12: 26 New
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      Because ignoramuses, crafty ...
      1. rich 28 February 2020 12: 44 New
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        In London they say that if you refuse the invitation, it will show the differences that exist in the West, and can also be regarded as a demonstration of disrespect for the common efforts to combat Nazism. On the other hand, if you accept the invitation, it means connivance to the military adventures of Moscow, as the units "participating in the bombing of the civilian population of Syria, in the occupation of Crimea and in military operations in Donbass" can pass by the stands.

        This "our partners" can still be tolerated yes But what if Petrov, Basharov and Chapman drive a barrel of a rookie past the stands? belay laughing
        1. cniza 28 February 2020 12: 46 New
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          You are jiving, but they can accept at face value ... lol
    2. Greenwood 28 February 2020 12: 46 New
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      May 8 - Day of the surrender of Nazi Germany. The capitulation of the Germans took the USSR and the Allies.
      1. Machito 28 February 2020 12: 57 New
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        The USA and Great Britain are conducting aggressive wars in many countries of the world.
        Well, which of us is the aggressor?
        1. Piramidon 28 February 2020 14: 08 New
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          Quote: Bearded
          Well, which of us is the aggressor?

          We know that, but they consider themselves "bearers of democracy."
    3. Olgovich 28 February 2020 13: 06 New
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      Quote: Gunner
      , The Second World War ended on September 2, 1945, and on May 9 Victory in the Great Patriotic War is celebrated.

      You are right.

      At the same time, World War II in Europe officially ended on May 8 (9), 1945 with the signing of the Act of Unconditional Surrender of Germany.

      And this is an occasion to all countries to celebrate the Victory.

      But if the Angles do not want to, figs with them: exactly OUR country has made a decisive contribution and we will celebrate its Victory!
    4. tihonmarine 28 February 2020 13: 33 New
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      Quote: Gunner
      The Second World War ended on September 2, 1945,

      Only WWII veterans for some reason did not rely on benefits from May 9 to September 2, 1945. In any case, my father did not receive.
    5. NEXUS 28 February 2020 14: 31 New
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      They would only invite veterans from the side who fought against the Nazis. And let these chief officers think themselves to send someone or not. At the same time there will be many tourists from the same England who understand and share our memory.
    6. Obi-Wan Kenobi 28 February 2020 14: 40 New
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      They have nothing to do here.
      They sponsored Hitler, then they started a war with his hands.
      And now their name is in Moscow for special occasions.
      What for? They call us a lot?
      After the Parade, they will impose new sanctions on us and will still laugh at us!
    7. English tarantas 28 February 2020 21: 32 New
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      About WWII it says only
      where Ukraine will remember the suffering of people during the Second World War

      Did the Great Patriotic War coincide in time with the Second World War?
  2. DMB 75 28 February 2020 12: 03 New
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    They don’t want, they don’t have to. The air will be cleaner. Let the veterans come, who escorted the convoys and shed blood on the fronts, we will be glad to see them, not the Anglo-Saxon officials.
  3. Well done 28 February 2020 12: 06 New
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    The hypocritical "allies"! We don’t really need them here.
  4. Dmitry Potapov 28 February 2020 12: 07 New
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    Master, master, our business to offer! But in fact, it turns out that they over the hill agree that the main winners are (USSR) Russia!
  5. aszzz888 28 February 2020 12: 08 New
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    Washington and London faced a dilemma - to go or not to go to Moscow for ceremonies dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the end of World War II
    Do we need it ?! Even without them we know who raised the Banner of Victory over the Reichstag.
  6. Zoldat_A 28 February 2020 12: 11 New
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    to come to Moscow and participate in special events, but not to go to the parade, criticizing Russia for Syria and Ukraine
    ZE came to Israel, stood at the Kotel and left. Why did you come?

    And these "winners" - they will come, go to the Tretyakov Gallery, Trump will look at the McDonald's - and home. For the first time, I see that Ukraine is not equal to the arrogant Saxons, but vice versa.

    What do they smoke there?
    1. tihonmarine 28 February 2020 13: 35 New
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      Quote: Zoldat_A
      ZE came to Israel, stood at the Kotel and left. Why did you come?

      Stand at the Kotel, and leave a note in the wall with a wish.
      1. Zoldat_A 28 February 2020 13: 52 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        ZE came to Israel, stood at the Kotel and left. Why did you come?

        Stand at the Kotel, and leave a note in the wall with a wish.

        I even guess what he asked there. No, not victory over Russia. Prosperity "Quarter 95".
    2. Mathafaka 28 February 2020 16: 42 New
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      winners


      Learn the story of uncle.
      1. Zoldat_A 28 February 2020 17: 54 New
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        Quote: Mathafaka
        winners


        Learn the story of uncle.

        Uncle taught.

        And the "nephew" apparently forgot to read how many divisions the Red Army grind and how many all the "allies" combined. When the Second Front was opened - also the "nephew" on Wikipedia did not read - when it became clear that it was possible to be late for the "pie" section. And why, in Churchill’s 45th plan “The Unthinkable” about the war of the USSR, it didn’t work - just because in this case Stalin would have spit on Japan and America would still have been yupping with yuppies - the “nephew” is also unknown ..

        I was also found, by the "historian of the Unified State Examination" ... At school, they did not even teach me how to put commas.
  7. g1washntwn 28 February 2020 12: 12 New
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    if you refuse the invitation, it will show the differences that exist in the West, and can also be regarded as a demonstration of disrespect for the common efforts to combat Nazism

    Judging by the alphabetical order, the fight against Nazism is far from in the first place, ahead as usual "$ ave my a $$!" and search for profit. The options for action also, in principle, boil down to one “how to spoil”, and how and when - details.
  8. Thrifty 28 February 2020 12: 15 New
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    Is politics above common sense and history? We can easily survive their absence at the May 9th parade, because we will never change the history of our country and its Victory into “partners”!
  9. prior 28 February 2020 12: 20 New
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    In the same way, they opened a second front: to go, not to go, to open, not to open.
    I think that the coronavirus will be blamed for everything, or they will remember the fable about the "newbie" and stay at home.
    That's nice, less unnecessary hypocrisy and lies.
    1. cniza 28 February 2020 12: 24 New
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      Quote: prior
      In the same way, they opened a second front: to go, not to go, to open, not to open.


      That's right, until the fried smells or feels that you can grab something ...
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  10. cniza 28 February 2020 12: 23 New
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    The United States and Britain can not decide on a trip to Moscow for the Victory Parade


    Well, there’s nothing for you to do here, everyone is looking for profit ...
  11. 1536 28 February 2020 12: 30 New
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    And it’s good that those who didn’t come. It is disgusting to see how those who cherish the plans of the atomic bombings of Russia, the destruction of Moscow, the destruction of the people of our country, will sit in the guest stands on Red Square. In addition, the role of the United States and Britain in the Second World War is ambiguous. American banks subsidized Hitler, and the possessed Fuhrer himself considered the Anglo-Saxons "fraternal people." So what? Why did you have to call these? Lendlis? Come on, the first deliveries of military equipment as part of this "program" went only at the end of 1941, when the Germans were already exhausted and defeated near the Red Army near Moscow. The Americans generally waited until 1944 to take part in the hostilities in Europe, when the territory of the USSR was completely liberated from the Nazis and Soviet troops began to strangle the Nazis in their den. And for crimes against humanity in Japan, the United States will still answer before the court of history. So, let them sit at home, unless, of course, they beat the Turks over these months to attack Russia.
    1. English tarantas 28 February 2020 21: 45 New
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      In general, you are right, but small corrections. The allies in Europe were already from the middle of the 43rd, they moved from Africa to Italy. As for Japan and the United States with their crimes, the Japanese will have a higher score, the Americans for the half century of occupation have violated much less than the Japanese in the occupied territories, although they are far from order on the Soviet side of the occupation.
      1. 1536 29 February 2020 11: 55 New
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        Amendments are accepted! But still, Sicily is an island, and not all of Italy, but the American expeditionary force landed on Sicily. Today's historians even say that this operation allowed the Red Army to win on the Kursk. But let's see how many Germans and Allied soldiers died in this operation. And compare this with the irretrievable losses of German and Soviet troops near Kursk. It will become clear that rather a heroic defense near Kursk and the subsequent offensive of parts of the Red Army ensured the Americans victory in Sicily.
        As for the Japanese, here you are right, dear, they have committed crimes against humanity not less, but, possibly, more. But you must admit, there was no military need to carry out atomic bombings of Japanese cities, thus destroying the civilian population in droves, exposing them to infection with radiation sickness, from which there is no escape, from which people are still dying in Japan. The Americans sought to prove their power to the Allies, especially to the USSR. Thus, they committed a crime for which there is no justification, and there is no statute of limitation for these actions either. This is the Americans must admit!
        1. English tarantas 29 February 2020 17: 15 New
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          About the atomic bombings. At that time, no one had any special idea of ​​what radiation was and what it was doing. But what the epidemics and toxic gases do to people, the Japanese knew and used this very well. In addition, the Americans had predictions about how much the battle for Japan would cost, how much the United States would lose the resources invested and expected from Japan if Japan and Korea entered the Soviet occupation zone, and what would happen if the USSR attacked Japan before the United States defeated it. So, having become acquainted with the reasons for the decision to bomb Japan over time, I still understand the Americans and consider the move justified, for my place and time.
        2. English tarantas 29 February 2020 17: 20 New
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          Today's historians even say that this operation allowed the Red Army to win on the Kursk. But let's see how many Germans and Allied soldiers died in this operation.

          It is not the losses that should be compared, but how many Germans didn’t bring to Kursk or didn’t have time to deliver, even if they were going to. Because, for example, if the Soviet Union at 44m would not have continued to develop a strategic offensive, the Allied campaign in Europe could have failed, but if it had not been for the European campaign, then the battles for Germany would have been much harder for the USSR.
  12. Van 16 28 February 2020 12: 32 New
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    Russia will celebrate the Victory in the Great Patriotic War. But our allies will come or not come - this is the tenth matter, these are their problems, we will not worry and be upset at all.
  13. Evdokim 28 February 2020 12: 32 New
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    Yes, they went into the forest, on a long erotic journey. hi
  14. Whalebone 28 February 2020 12: 38 New
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    The United States and Britain have their own victory days. Since May 9, do not match. It is necessary to call, it is politeness. But to be offended, if they do not come, is not worth it.
    1. Paranoid50 28 February 2020 13: 39 New
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      Quote: Whalebone
      The USA and Britain have their victory days

      laughing
      Quote: Whalebone
      Since May 9, do not match.

      Their problems.
      Quote: Whalebone
      Need to call

      Already.
      Quote: Whalebone
      But to be offended, if they do not come, is not worth it.

      Who are they to take offense at? request Too much honor ...
    2. tihonmarine 28 February 2020 13: 39 New
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      Quote: Whalebone
      The United States and Britain have their own victory days. Since May 9, do not match.

      We have our own Victory in the Great Patriotic War on May 9, 1945, they have their own victory on May 8, 1945, but which is not clear, because the Victory in WWII was on September 2, 1945.
  15. Vladimir B. 28 February 2020 12: 41 New
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    why do we need their officials at a holiday dedicated to the victory of the USSR over Germany? we’ll do without them.
  16. Ross xnumx 28 February 2020 13: 00 New
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    In London they say that if you refuse the invitation, it will show the differences that exist in the West, and can also be regarded as a demonstration of disrespect for the common efforts to combat Nazism.

    And if you withdraw all the invitations to those who have nothing to do with Victory Day? belay It’s just to gather real veterans on Red Square who “brought this day closer as they could,” and thanks to which this holiday of the whole Russian people became possible ... yes
    We don’t call different “people standing by the dish” for our birthday. What the hell are these “Misters and Mrs. Vinegars” for?
  17. tihonmarine 28 February 2020 13: 05 New
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    Western leaders should not honor the army that is still occupying part of Ukraine and pay tribute to those military units that kill people in Idlib
    Western leaders should first of all respect and honor the leaders of the anti-Hitler coalition of Stalin, Roosevelt, Churchill and the army of those states that broke Hitler’s ridge, these are the Red Army, the US Army and the United Kingdom.
  18. bar
    bar 28 February 2020 13: 39 New
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    may be regarded as a demonstration of disrespect for the common efforts to combat Nazism

    The grandmother remembered the girlish shame. Just think what scruples. And then they no longer showed this disrespect wherever they could.
  19. Ros 56 28 February 2020 14: 02 New
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    What stupid these arrogant Saxons can’t even decide whether to honor the soldiers and Soviet soldiers who won in a joint struggle against fascism.
  20. 16112014nk 28 February 2020 14: 26 New
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    Naglosaksa understand that it is necessary to go to Moscow, but just as wolves can not jump over the flags, so they can not decide on this trip. So they will stand in the position of "Buridan's donkey."
  21. Vladimir Mashkov 28 February 2020 15: 55 New
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    They are very indecisive! Like that rushing monkey that didn’t know where to stand: left or right! laughing
  22. faterdom 28 February 2020 16: 39 New
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    Petrov and Boshirov, under the command of Mishkin, grinning famously marched past the astonished Boris Johnson. LDPR deputy Andrei Lugovoi will stand beside him brazenly ...
    No, this is unbearable for a real gentleman.
    Do not come - we do not need you here!
  23. Metallurg_2 28 February 2020 18: 49 New
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    and can also be regarded as a demonstration of disrespect for the common efforts to combat Nazism

    But did England and France precisely fight Nazism?
    They brought Hitler to power, then pumped up his economy with money, contributed in every way to the restoration of the army and navy, and signed the Munich Agreement.
    And you can remember the "Unthinkable" plan.