The executioner Pokrovsky and the assault on Maykop

The executioner Pokrovsky and the assault on Maykop

The beginning of the bloody 1918. The southern Russian city of Maykop, which is translated from Adyghe as "valley of apple trees", with a population barely exceeded 50 thousand inhabitants, did not stand aside from the great and terrible events of the Russian stories. Already in January 1918, Maykop passed into the hands of the Bolsheviks who raised the uprising. Despite the fact that the Kuban Rada, which declared independence of the Kuban, raged in Yekaterinodar, large cities of the region (the Kuban region and the Black Sea province) have already refused to obey it. And the openly discriminatory policy of the Rada, which left all rights to the Cossacks, who were not even 50% of the entire population, only aggravated the situation. In addition to Maykop, Novorossiysk, Tuapse, Armavir, Temryuk, etc., became “red”.


The Bolsheviks of the Kuban and the Black Sea began to form detachments of the Red Guard. In March 1918, the Red Guards and units of the 39th Infantry "Iron" Division, whose fighters switched to the Red side, having received news of the atrocities of the Cossacks of the Rada to the front, captured Yekaterinodar almost without a fight. The parliament, with the remnants of its never formed army, fled north to the Volunteer Army, with which an alliance was concluded against the Bolsheviks. Later, General Anton Ivanovich Denikin, one of the commanders of the army, in "Essays on Russian Troubles" will partly call this union a mistake.

Pokrovsky. Future executioner Maykop


Victor Leonidovich Pokrovsky, a hereditary nobleman, the main figure of the Maykop massacre of 1918. He was a career officer who graduated from the Odessa Cadet Corps, Pavlovsk Military School, and in 1914 - the Officer School aviation. Pokrovsky entered the First World War as the commander of an aviation detachment. In 1915 he distinguished himself by capturing two Austrian flight officers along with a fully operational Aviatik airplane. In this case, the capture occurred by forcing the enemy to land.


Victor Pokrovsky

Pokrovsky’s case is a vivid example of when unconditional personal courage and energy are completely nullified by extraordinary vanity, cruelty, love of power and the absence of even a hint of mercy. It was guided by these low-lying passions that Pokrovsky made contact with the Kuban Rada. He was assigned to form the Kuban Army. The "Army" numbered less than 3000 fighters. Having become at the helm of this large detachment, Pokrovsky became a significant person for the Rada. And in order to appease this power-hungry man, prone to cruelty and tyranny, he was already promoted to colonel and commander of the “army” in March 1918. And at the end of the same month, Viktor Leonidovich at the age of 29 became a general.

At the same time, Pokrovsky’s ambitions were by no means satisfied. He built intrigues with alarming frequency. All in the same year 1918, General Denikin received a report from General Romanovsky that Pokrovsky and Colonel Andrei Grigoryevich Shkuro intend to send troops to Yekaterinodar and make a coup, having dealt with the "party of the Black Sea" (independent Cossacks who advocated independence of the Kuban and having ties with provocateurs from Ukraine and the Germans). The coup did not take place, however, the Rada, seducing Pokrovsky, did not skimp on orders and ranks.


Peter Wrangel

Having earned a reputation as an upstart, adventurer and intriguer, Pokrovsky became famous for drinking and drinking, which often took place in the company of Colonel Shkuro at headquarters. No less flattering was the comment on Pokrovsky and his “legacy” by Baron and General Pyotr Nikolayevich Wrangel in his “Notes”:

“The collapse reached the top of the army. Politicized, intrigued, planted unworthy squabbles and machinations. Fertile soil opened a wide field of activity for large and small adventurers. Particularly noisy were those left overboard, consumed by unsatisfied ambition, the generals who had advanced beyond their merits: the former commander of the Caucasian Army, General Pokrovsky ... "

Later, the famous “black baron” Wrangel with great relief will write about the emigration of Pokrovsky to Bulgaria, wounded by the fact that he was not entrusted with a command post in the Russian army:

“The machinations and intrigues of dissatisfied generals have come to an end. At the same time as Generals Sidorin and Kelchevsky, Generals Pokrovsky, Borovsky, Pestovsky went abroad. Intrigue has stopped. ”


Southern city awaiting slaughter


In August 1918, the Volunteer Army, in alliance with the Kuban Army (the Kuban Brigade) that joined it, finally (after the March failure) stormed Yekaterinodar. Under the onslaught of numerous Cossack White Guard gangs, Georgian Mensheviks, who stood on a nationalist basis, and, of course, Denikin’s troops, the Bolshevik front began to crumble.


Campaign of the Taman army in 1918. Hood. A. Kokorin

The Taman army under the command of Ivan Ivanovich Matveyev and his deputy future commander Epifan Iovich Kovtyukh with heavy fighting retreated towards Tuapse, leaving Novorossiysk. The movement of the troops was weighed down and tragic, because after the soldiers civilians fled, afraid of white terror, which was already burning with might and main in the Kuban. At the same time, advanced army detachments clashed with Georgian nationalist troops, and the rearguard had to periodically fend off groups of "Denikin" and White Cossacks.


Epifan Kovtyuh

Having stormed Tuapse, occupied by Georgian troops, the Taman army deployed to the northeast and headed towards Armavir through the mountain ranges. But already in the area of ​​the village of Khadyzhenskaya (the modern city of Khadyzhensk), the Tamanians were attacked by units of General Pokrovsky. Heavy fighting ensued. Pokrovsky hoped to completely stop the attempt of the Bolsheviks to break through to the main red forces of Ivan Sorokin in the east and counted quite reasonably. The Taman army was battered, suffering from hunger, and its movement was constrained by refugees. At the same time, Pokrovsky had cavalry, artillery, and the number of his soldiers was over 12 thousand.

At the same time, the troops of Pokrovsky, coordinating their actions with the anti-Bolshevik Cossack detachments of General Alexander Alexandrovich Geyman (about 5 thousand bayonets and up to 1 thousand cavalry), entered the villages of Kubansk, Tula, Abadzekh, Dagestan and Kurdzhip. Thus, they took in a half-ring Maykop, which was still in the hands of the Bolsheviks. At the same time, like-minded people in Maykop had no connection with the Tamanians, therefore they did not suspect that large forces were making their way east.


Alexander Geyman

Taking advantage of this, on September 7, Pokrovsky and Gaiman threw large forces at Maykop. The fighting lasted all day, and only at dusk did the Bolshevik detachments leave the city, moving east beyond the Fars River, where they equipped defensive positions.

For Maikop, taken by the Cossacks, the days of a peculiar rehearsal of the bloody massacre, which will come in the 20th of September, have come. Pokrovsky, in his best traditions, began to firmly restore his “order”. However, the reprisals were of a singular nature and concerned the Bolsheviks and sympathizers. In full force Pokrovsky and his accomplices were not allowed to roam the Taman army.

On September 10, the Tamanians launched an attack, breaking east towards Armavir to reunite with the main Bolshevik forces in the North Caucasus. A day later, the Belorechenskaya village (now Belorechensk) was occupied, and the troops of Pokrovsky were defeated. Some of the vain general’s fighters were forced to retreat to the village of Tsarskiy Dar (now Velikovechnoe), while others retreated directly to Maykop. But Pokrovsky did not want to miss the Tamanians, so he again began to gather strength.


According to one version, the troops holding the defenses along the Fars River continued to remain ignorant of the actions of the Taman Army, while another, on the contrary, used the weakening of the Maykop garrison by the restless Pokrovsky. One way or another, but on the night of September 17, 1918, the 1st and 2nd Maykop regiments, with the support of the cavalry, occupied Maykop. In favor of the fact that the regiments had no connection with the Tamanians, the fact is said that they did not begin to develop the offensive, although they could cut through the forces of Pokrovsky and Gaiman.

The assault on Maykop and the beginning of reprisals


Upon learning of the loss of Maykop, Pokrovsky left only a small detachment to pursue the Tamanians breaking through, and he deployed all the available forces, including Gaiman and small groups of white Cossacks, to storm the city. In the early morning of September 20, thousands of angry Pokrovsky fighters fell in from the north on Maykop. Up to nine times, anti-Bolshevik troops tried to storm the city, but each time they came across stubborn resistance. Therefore, Pokrovsky constantly maneuvered, trying to find the most vulnerable spot in the defense of the Reds.

By 16:00, the defenders almost ran out of ammunition. Increasingly had to use bayonets. As a result, during the retreat, almost all the Bolshevik fighters were killed. Only two disparate groups of 250 people were able to break through to the east. By evening, General Pokrovsky triumphantly drove into Maykop, "freed from Bolshevism." The city was in a deplorable state: corpses were lying on the streets, some buildings were destroyed or burned down, people were hiding, not understanding what was happening.


And in this infernal bloody chaos, Pokrovsky began to restore order in his usual manner. According to his order, all power in the city passed to a certain esaul Razderishin, who was appointed "commandant of the city of Maykop." Razderishin, apparently not inferior to his commander in energy, instantly released "Order No. 1 to the city of Maykop":

“I order the population of Maykop to immediately bring the latter to a decent appearance.
1. To clean and sweep out all the streets and squares of the city, courtyards, bazaars. In houses, wash windows, stairs and floors.
2. The city government to increase the number of lights and now illuminate the city.
3. In order not to clog it again, I forbid to scatter fruit peels and husks of seeds along the streets. I forbid the sale of the latter.
4. I forbid the sale of fruit on the streets, it is allowed only in bazaars and in shops.
5. Clean out all cesspools and trash pits.
One day the city should be brought into full order.
The fulfillment of all the aforesaid is entrusted to the population, the city administration and the quarter elders. "I take it upon myself and warn that for failure to fulfill my requirements the perpetrators will be subject to fines and corporal punishment."

The evil irony is that the order to hold this schizophrenic subbotnik with the possibility of being beaten to the degree of disability was far from the most inadequate of those that were then issued by the new authorities with the full approval of General Pokrovsky. Soon the tragic events that went down in history as the Maykop massacre will begin.

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  1. Slavutich 2 March 2020 06: 56 New
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    Hard! Interesting!
    Dear author, we look forward to continuing!
  2. rocket757 2 March 2020 07: 55 New
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    The tragic but great events of our history. Do not forget anything.
    It is useless to search for whites and fluffy in a civil war, but there were “especially outstanding” figures who committed atrocious crimes even against the background of those terrible events.
    1. rich 2 March 2020 21: 26 New
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      Razderishin, apparently not inferior to his commander in energy, instantly released "Order No. 1 to the city of Maykop":

      “I order the population of Maykop to immediately bring the latter to a decent appearance.
      1. To clean and sweep out all the streets and squares of the city, courtyards, bazaars. In houses, wash windows, stairs and floors.
      2. The city government to increase the number of lights and now illuminate the city.
      3. In order not to clog it again, I forbid to scatter fruit peels and husks of seeds along the streets. I forbid the sale of the latter.
      4. I forbid the sale of fruit on the streets, it is allowed only in bazaars and in shops.
      5. Clean out all cesspools and trash pits.
      One day the city should be brought into full order.
      The fulfillment of all the aforesaid is entrusted to the population, the city administration and the quarter elders. "I take it upon myself and warn that for failure to fulfill my requirements the perpetrators will be subject to fines and corporal punishment."

      How can one not recall the autobiographical work of Y. Gashek "Political Commissioner of the 5th Red Army"
      “I order the entire illiterate population of the city of Bugulma to eliminate illiteracy in three days. For failure to execute it, I’ve got it.
      Commandant of Bugulma "
      1. rocket757 3 March 2020 03: 25 New
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        Particularly "talented" were and always will be.
        Who and how managed to realize their "talent" ???
  3. Olgovich 2 March 2020 07: 57 New
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    Taman army under command Ivan Ivanovich Matveev and his deputy future comcor Epifan Jovovich Kovtyukh with heavy fighting retreated towards Tuapse

    1. Matveev-shot by his red accomplices already ... in 1918
    2.Krvtyuh-according to the Sentence of the All-Union Military Forces of the USSR, a traitor, a German spy, a saboteur-shot.

    Not justifying anyone’s atrocities on anyone’s side, I draw attention to the indisputable fact: the civil massacre has begun 26 October 1917when a handful of minorities seized power in the country, then spat on the choice and will of the people in the elections of the CSS, spat on their own promises to their own voters and dispersed him.

    No one has yet answered the simplest question: WHY tens of millions the citizens of the country, who elected non-Bolshevik power in the popular elections, were to submit ... to the losing Bolsheviks? belay
    1. apro 2 March 2020 08: 09 New
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      Quote: Olgovich
      No one has yet answered the simplest question: WHY do the tens of millions of citizens of the country who elected NON-Bolshevik power in popular elections have to obey ...

      And why do tens of millions have to submit to figures who have not expressed their interests.? And sometimes even stepping over their interests for material wealth ...
      1. Olgovich 2 March 2020 08: 19 New
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        Quote: apro
        And why do tens of millions have to obey figures who have not expressed their interests.?

        1. You did not answer the question.
        2. Because it is a minority lost elections.
        And even this minority, the Bolsheviks COUGHLY BAD, promised work in the CSS and no gr. war, and?
        Or should losers arrange ... a slaughter because of disagreement?

        The losers of the navalnyts will take over the Kremlin - you obey, right?
        1. apro 2 March 2020 08: 41 New
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          Quote: Olgovich
          1. You did not answer the question.

          Because the non-elected interim government did not meet the interests of tens of millions ...
          They do not take power in elections. They keep it there ..
          One of the varieties of Russian power is piled in. As well as to sobchak. And uncle siu and the boltologist girik ...
          1. Olgovich 2 March 2020 09: 43 New
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            Quote: apro
            Because the non-elected interim government did not meet the interests of tens of millions ...

            1. VP supported and selected by ALL, incl. TIPS.

            2. But the question is not about him at all, but about the past NATIONAL elections in the CSS, where TENS OF MILLIONS chose non-Bolshevik authorities. These millions swept the Bolsheviks.
            These are just FACTS.

            When will it come? request
            Quote: apro
            In elections, power do not take.he is there hold.

            what nonsense?
            By the way, they didn’t keep yours in the elections, they settled, and this is with their bayonets, wild lies and deceit ..
            Quote: apro
            One of the varieties of Russian power is piled in. As well as to sobchak. And uncle siu and the boltologist girik ...

            And?
            Obey them if captured?
            According to your logic, you must
            1. strannik1985 2 March 2020 09: 48 New
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              1. VP supported and selected by ALL

              Remarkably, it turns out to force Nicholas 2 to transfer power to a completely legitimate business good
              1. parusnik 2 March 2020 18: 12 New
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                strannik1985
                .. hi Remarkably, it turns out to force Nicholas 2 to transfer power to a completely legitimate business
                .... Kaaaak? ... Didn’t you know? !!!! ... The legal overthrow of the emperor is spelled out in the Secret Protocol to his manifesto of 1905 ... laughing
                1. Reptiloid 3 March 2020 04: 24 New
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                  Quote: parusnik
                  ..... Kaaaak? ... Didn’t you know? !!!! ... The legal overthrow of the emperor is spelled out in the Secret Protocol to his manifesto of 1905 ... laughing
                  So I did not know ?? And how many Russian tsars were subjected? 7 !!!!!. The trend, however. And somehow, for some reason, no one is mourning them ..... didn’t deserve regret? Very strange....
            2. apro 2 March 2020 10: 36 New
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              And tens of millions fought for the power of the Bolsheviks. And where were tens of millions of connoisseurs of vp ... us ...?
              The practice criteria are true. The federalists did not solve a single pressing problem facing the majority of the population of the territory of Russia at that time.
              Heaped things will not capture anything. They are part of the system ... according to my logic. If I am in real opposition. As part of the organization. I will definitely fight.
              1. Olgovich 2 March 2020 11: 13 New
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                Quote: apro
                tens of millions fought for the power of the Bolsheviks.and where were the tens of millions of connoisseurs of vp ... us ...?

                WHAT ARE YOU CARING FOR? WHAT "tens of millions" were fighting for the Bolsheviks ?! belay lol
                Quote: apro
                The practice criteria are true. The federalists did not solve a single pressing problem facing the majority of the population of the territory Russia.

                1. When will you learn to write the name of the country with a capital letter?

                Why is this deliberate rudeness?

                2. EVERYTHING was decided by the CSS; for this, it was elected. And foreign tourists also formed their temporary SNK only before the CSS, like decrees, should have been approved by the CSS
                Quote: apro
                Heaped things will not capture anything. They are part of the system ...

                1. ALL parts of the system
                Quote: apro
                if I am in real opposition. as part of the organization. I will definitely fight

                So millions of people have fought against those foreign tourists
                1. apro 2 March 2020 11: 44 New
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                  Olgovich, you have already finally determined which tens of millions ... then white ones are overwhelmed with a numerical advantage. Here is a minority. but it drives the noble majority .. it doesn’t happen ...
                  And for me, the white generals are piled up by foreign tourists at the service of German.Anglitsky.Japanese. French interventionists ..
                  They planned to decide but later. And the Bolsheviks here and now .. the difference is big.
                  1. Olgovich 2 March 2020 12: 15 New
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                    Quote: apro
                    Olgovich You already finally determine what tens of millions.

                    It has long been decided: see the election results. What's not clear?

                    But you did not answer the question: WHAT "tens of millions" fought for the Bolsheviks ?! What kind of nonsense? What ceiling?
                    Quote: apro
                    And for me, the white generals are overwhelmed by foreign tourists on German service. English. Japanese. French interventionists.

                    The German occupiers are yours, do not confuse: NOBODY and NEVER ALWAYS gave away to the invaders as much Russia as yours in March 1918.

                    This is just a fact.

                    Anticipating your “argument” about “impossibility” otherwise, I recall another Russian fact:
                    "You can not, DO NOT torment!" (WITH)

                    PS You did NOT answer the 4th time:
                    WHY do the tens of millions of citizens of the country who elected non-Bolshevik power in the popular elections, had to obey ... the losing Bolsheviks?

                    Hard question, huh? request
                    1. apro 2 March 2020 12: 20 New
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                      Quote: Olgovich
                      German occupiers

                      But the Germans know about it ... especially Agitler. He would have been glad if the documents had been slipped to him. Especially when they took Berlin.
                      But Krasnov and contracts signed. And trade was conducted. And in general, grew up to the German general.
                      I did not understand for the Bolsheviks there was no one but they won? What is it like? I do not understand...
                      1. Varyag_0711 2 March 2020 12: 27 New
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                        apro (Oleg Frolov)
                        I did not understand for the Bolsheviks there was no one but they won? What is it like? I do not understand...
                        And do not understand. A person from parallel reality is broadcasting. God alone knows what is heard in his head for voices after what he uses there.
                      2. Olgovich 2 March 2020 14: 35 New
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                        Quote: apro
                        But the Germans know about it.

                        They know: read Brest betrayal, canceled NOT BY YOU, but ANTANTA
                        Quote: apro
                        But Krasnov and contracts signed. And trade was conducted. And in general, grew up to the German general.

                        Do not tell: your heroes c. massacres: your Supreme Leader of the Red Army-in the USSR in the court of 37-38 years recognized AGENT OF THE GESTAPO and SS and agent of Germany since the time of Gr. war,

                        your red MARSHALS (3 of 5), the PREDESOVMINA of the USSR, many people's commissars, members Politburo and the Central Committee and pr and pr - German spies, Poland and Japan, the United States, etc., passed ALL the secret strategic information to the enemies, tried to defeat the Red Army by Germany, traded the land of the country left and right, blew up factories, killed, poisoned, homosexual and so on.IN MATERIALS OF VESSELS OF THE USSR!

                        Far too red to YOURS, which the USSR Prosecutor General said:
                        "Scum, stinky patal, dung, a stinking pile of garbage, filthy dogs, damned reptile, scorched crooks, vile creatures, crooks, bandits, arrogant, despicable adventurers"

                        There is NO SUCH ABOUT ANYONE! Why?
                        And the Attorney General replied:
                        "NEVER has the Court ever met SUCH MONTHLY crimes against the country!"
                        as committed by yours
                        Quote: apro
                        I did not understand for the Bolsheviks there was no one but they won? What is it like? I do not understand...

                        When the bandit takes everything from you in the gateway, then you will understand. By the way, do not forget to approve him: he turned out to be stronger, which means -RIGHT!
                      3. apro 2 March 2020 14: 50 New
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                        Stop respected Brest peace unilaterally canceled SNK. If that ... officially.
                        Again I didn’t understand about the German occupiers, were they with the Reds in subordinates or in the dominant relations? In this place for more details please ... You somehow confusedly state.
                        Well, understand your more fluffy and innocent of nothing ..
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        When a thug in your gateway takes away everything

                        I did not understand this text. That is, the white armed and organized ones allowed themselves to rob and wind up holy Russia? I understand correctly? There were no volunteers. Neither Cossack chieftains nor greens. Nor separatists. Nor interventionists? I don’t understand ....
                      4. Olgovich 2 March 2020 15: 00 New
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                        Quote: apro
                        Stop respected Brest peace unilaterally canceled SNK. If that ... officially.

                        Brest shame canceled ANTANTA.
                        And yours only later, the next "grunted" yes
                        Quote: apro
                        Again I didn’t understand about the German occupiers, were they with the Reds in subordinates or in the dominant relations? In this place for more details please ... You somehow confuse

                        belay
                        YOURS gave them FOREVER THIRD of European Russia, 95% of coal and metal, 40% of workers, etc. What is not clear ?!
                        Quote: apro
                        Well, understand your more fluffy and innocent of nothing ..

                        NOBODY can be compared with your heroes (see the USSR GEPROKURORA):
                        NEVER the Court has not yet met SUCH Monstrous crimes against the country! "

                        Remember?
                        Good!
                        Quote: apro
                        I do not understand

                        Have you already been robbed in 10 minutes? No?
                        So when they rob, then you will understand. yes

                        PS You FIVE times did not answer the SIMPLE question:
                        WHY do the tens of millions of citizens of the country who elected non-Bolshevik power in the popular elections, had to obey ... the losing Bolsheviks?

                        What are you afraid of, huh?
                      5. apro 2 March 2020 15: 28 New
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                        The world of Brest unilaterally canceled SNK. The antanta did the dirty work.
                        Once again, the Germans in relation to the Reds who are? Subordinates and chief?
                        Where you the Russians threw the front there and had to set the border in red. How they fought it happened.
                        Our court dealt with our heroes. And yours at the same time.
                        About the gateway, it’s too figurative. Well, forgive you ... I understand that they are white. All these are military dictators. Supreme commanders. Cossack chieftains are poor sheep ... inadvertently falling into a sharp turn of events. Not wanting to ...

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And why do tens of millions have to submit to figures who have not expressed their interests.? And sometimes even stepping over their interests for material wealth ...

                        You, dear, are waiting for another answer ... I do not have it.
                      6. Olgovich 2 March 2020 15: 48 New
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                        Quote: apro
                        The world of Brest unilaterally canceled SNK. The antanta did the dirty work.

                        Lies: ANTANTA canceled it, yours only “grunted” already in one day
                        Quote: apro
                        Once again, the Germans in relation to the Reds who are? Subordinates and chief?
                        Where you the Russians threw the front there and had to set the border in red. How they fought it happened.

                        The main ones, see Brest conditions. What's not clear?

                        Front thrown red: from m. front line to October 17 and to February 18
                        Quote: apro
                        Our court dealt with our heroes. And yours at the same time.

                        belay
                        What are you, dear, your eroi gr. the wars (most) are buried by yours wherever, and Denikin, Kappel, Ilyin lie in the center of Russia, in a place of honor.
                        Quote: apro
                        .I understand that white. All these military dictators. Supreme commanders. Cossack chieftains poor sheep ... accidentally caught in a sharp turn of events. unwilling.

                        Of course, of course!
                        To know this, read their biographies: ALL of them - ON THE FRONT during the Thief, defended the Fatherland, in a sense of the bandits who treacherously seized power at that time.

                        And only then, not wanting and not even though gr. war, they defended the people of Russia
                        Quote: apro
                        You, dear, are waiting for another answer ... I do not have it.

                        Is there any?
                        They didn’t give anything ... request
                      7. apro 2 March 2020 16: 25 New
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                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Is there any?
                        They didn’t give anything ..

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And why do tens of millions have to submit to figures who have not expressed their interests.? And sometimes even stepping over their interests for material wealth ...

                        You deliberately ignore common sense. Or you dislike him.
                      8. Olgovich 3 March 2020 10: 40 New
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                        Quote: apro
                        You deliberately ignore common sense. Or you dislike him.

                        Who said common sense has visited ... you? belay

                        1.Is generally accepted the concepts of Good and Evil: it IS IMPOSSIBLE to kill each other in the War of the Grade and ALL DEBT- to avoid this any by way.

                        Beasts ... called for it already ... since 1914 and inflated by all means, spat on the choice of the people and, without hesitation, threw him into the firebox of gr. war

                        2. And there are Facts-see. higher.

                        You deny everything - both concepts and facts.

                        And in the end, you CANNOT answer the simplest question, because if you don’t throw it, all the wedge .....
                      9. vladcub 3 March 2020 18: 43 New
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                        Olgovich, I agree with you: there are generally accepted concepts about Good and Evil, but in the GV there are no “white and fluffy” ones. They can be relatively decent, on the one hand, and on the other. So it was before 1918-1922 and will be after.
                        A beast wakes up in a man
                      10. Olgovich 4 March 2020 09: 56 New
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                        Quote: vladcub
                        but in the GV there is no “white and fluffy”.

                        A beast wakes up in a man

                        This was known long before the Thief — world history speaks of this.

                        And so only Madmen and Criminals could to her ... to urge fool and unleash your CRAZY ACTIONS.

                        "Battles" should be held at the ELECTIONS and in the PARLIAMENT, and not with blows to the heads that the Bolsheviks did.

                        By the way, maybe you know the answer to a simple question:
                        WHY tens of millions of citizens of the country, who elected non-Bolshevik power in the popular elections, had to obey ... the losing Bolsheviks ?.
                      11. Astra wild 5 March 2020 07: 51 New
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                        Olgovich, if you are so clinging to legitimacy, then the VP - the government is not legal: the monarch was legal, but he was forced to abdicate. Moreover, vile blackmail. Or do you justify blackmailers?
                      12. Olgovich 5 March 2020 08: 09 New
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                        Quote: Astra wild
                        Olgovich, if you are so clinging to legitimacy, then the VP - the government is not legal: the monarch was legal, but he was forced

                        1. Emperors and Nicholas and Michael called for the subordination of the EaP (before US), and Nicholas on the day of renunciation instructed Prince. Lviv (head of the EaP) to form a Government.

                        2.T.E. it was legal. Legitimacy is different.

                        3. And it was legitimate-it was recognized by EVERYTHING, incl. ADVICE.

                        4. The task of the EaP is not to rule the country, but to conduct the ELECTION of the popular government, which it fulfilled and held the most free and democratic elections in the world.

                        Under your rulers they were not at all, so they смертельно They were afraid of the choice of the people and the people themselves.

                        But NORMAL PEOPLE-they were not afraid!
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                        As I recall from history: Nikolai denied in favor of his brother. Then he changed his mind and renounced in favor of his son, but General Alekseev did not send the last telegram. This was on the site
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                        As I recall from history: Nikolai denied in favor of his brother. Then he changed his mind and renounced in favor of his son

                        what are we discussing if you simply DO NOT know the FACTS: everything was exactly the opposite — first, a son, and then in favor of Mikhail.

                        Both Emperors called for the submission of CSS
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                        I am not a supporter of the monarchy, but in fairness, Michael cannot be considered emperor: a full-fledged emperor can only be considered after the coronation
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                        I am not a supporter of the monarchy, but in fairness, Michael cannot be considered emperor: a full-fledged emperor can only be considered after the coronation

                        The monarch has the right to do and understand as he sees fit.

                        Nicholas II handed the telegram to the palace commandant V.N. Voeikov:
                        “Petrograd. His Imperial Majesty Mikhail the Second. Events..."
    2. Looking for 2 March 2020 17: 24 New
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      olgovich.ty-LIAR !!!
    3. Astra wild 2 March 2020 20: 20 New
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      Seeker, even Olgovich should not poke. Rudeness is a bad argument. People like him, I’m not talking specifically about him, can regard rudeness as a sign of weakness.
      You need to beat those with arguments and facts. Olgovich is my ideological enemy, but he is a smart enemy. So you need to win it with your mind, not emotions
  4. 210ox 2 March 2020 17: 45 New
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    The Brest Peace was canceled by JV Stalin in 1939. What Entente !?
  5. vladcub 3 March 2020 18: 30 New
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    In fact, the Brest Peace of de Faato ceased to exist when Kaiser Germany was not defeated.
    In 1922, Rappalo between Soviet Russia and the German Republic entered into an equal treaty. So the Brest peace was already in the past in 1922.
    And in 1939, the Soviet Union proposed to conclude a "new Entente," but Chamberlain was not interested in such a treaty and as a result: Gleivitz and September 1, 1939
  • Astra wild 2 March 2020 20: 09 New
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    In your opinion, there were few Bolsheviks, but why then did the whites lose? I know your passion for numbers, and therefore I ask: what was the size of the army of Wrangel and the Red Army in 1920? It's like the answer for who the people went
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      Quote: Astra wild
      I know your passion for numbers, and therefore I ask: what was the size of the army of Wrangel and the Red Army in 1920?

      Sentyabrynka hon, Olgovic has no passion for numbers, he has a passion for his own, "Moldavian" version of mathematics, which, for some reason, is very different from the generally accepted one. hi
    2. Olgovich 3 March 2020 10: 58 New
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      In your opinion, there were few Bolsheviks, but why then did the whites lose? g

      White fought for the Fatherland at the front against the German invaders.

      At this time, cowards and bandits, hiding the entire war from the front in Switzerland, seized power in the country by deceit and betrayal, inflicting a BLOW on the back to the warring country.

      Captured the whole industry, army reserves, resources, money, everything!

      White NEVER wanted gr. wars and only after, AFTER the Bolshevik ANTI-popular rebellion, they began to speak out without weapons, without money, on bare enthusiasm and patriotism, BARE HANDS, on the outskirts, where there was almost nothing.

      Only with March 1919 The Entente began supplying weapons (see Denikin), which was a betrayal of Russia.

      If White had red resources, the same wild would be great. cruelty (hostage), the same wild FALSE - from the Reds there would be no trace
      Quote: Astra wild
      I know your passion for numbers, and therefore I ask: what was the size of the army of Wrangel and the Red Army in 1920? It's like an answer who did the people follow

      Do not carry NONSENSE: the people’s choice is determined by ELECTION, and not by blows of clubs on the head.

      And the choice was made in the elections in 1917. Bole took part in the electionse 50% , in a massacre unleashed by the Bolsheviks-5%

      Did you catch the difference?

      In the army, about 50% of the Red Army deserters and this despite the atrocities-punishments in relation to them, their families and even fellow villagers
    3. Astra wild 3 March 2020 21: 35 New
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      Olgovich, excuse me, but you have sinned against the truth: "the whites fought for the fatherland against the German invaders." In WWI there was still no division into white by red.
      And yet, you yourself have always emphasized that under the emperor the Germans were not beaten on Russian soil. Of course you tell me that Poland was part of the Republic of Ingushetia. I agree, but administratively, but they do not belong to the original lands of Russia. It let Fomenko tells fables
      P.
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      You ate me: who was authorized to speak on behalf of the whole people
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      Quote: Astra wild
      Olgovich, I'm sorry, but you sinned against the truth: "White fought for the fatherland against the German occupiers" ..


      And where were the front-line heroes Denikin, Wrangel, Kolchak, Yudenich, Kaledin, Dutov, etc., etc.?

      And where were the cowards, deserters, deviators-venison, apfelbaum, rosenberg, brackets, etc., etc. (see the so-called SNK)?

      That's the whole story .....
      Quote: Astra wild
      You ate me: who was authorized to speak on behalf of the whole people

      This is just a statement
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    Quote: Olgovich
    EVE decided everything, for this it was elected.

    It is especially funny to hear from the residents of Belodels about the poor, miserable Constituent Assembly.

    In 1918, members of the Constituent Assembly who fled from the "bloody Bolsheviks" created the Committee of Members of the All-Russian Constituent Assembly (KOMUCH). On September 23, 1918, in Ufa, at the State Conference, the Ufa Directory (the Provisional All-Russian Government) was formed, uniting and replacing Komuch and the rival Provisional Siberian Government.

    What do you think happened next with this respectable and quite legitimate body? And then came Kolchak. And the deputies of the Constituent Assembly, who fled from the Bolsheviks, were first deprived of power, then partially arrested, and partially simply killed.
    After Admiral Kolchak came to power on November 18, 1918, the Directory and its associated institutions were disbanded. The congress of the members of the Constituent Assembly tried to protest against the coup, as a result the order was issued "to take measures to immediately arrest Chernov and other active members of the Constituent Assembly, who were in Yekaterinburg." Evicted from Yekaterinburg, either under guard or under escort of Czech soldiers, deputies gathered in Ufa, where they tried to campaign against Kolchak. On November 30, 1918, he ordered the former members of the Constituent Assembly to be brought before a military court "for attempting to raise an insurrection and conduct destructive agitation among the troops." On December 2, a special detachment under the command of Colonel Kruglevsky part of the members of the Congress of the Constituent Assembly (25 people) was arrested, delivered in freight cars to Omsk and imprisoned. Even earlier, on November 24, 1918, an officer from the Krasilnikov detachment was illegally arrested and deputy Boris Moiseenko was killed. After the suppression of the unsuccessful Bolshevik uprising in Omsk on the night of December 22 to December 23, 1918, a member of the Constituent Assembly, Neil Fomin, and 9 prominent Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks, who were imprisoned, were badly chopped up by sabers and shot by Kolchak officers under the command of Lieutenant Bartashevsky and Captain Rubtsov.

    But they will continue to tell us about the bloody Bolsheviks who deprived the people of the Constituent Assembly. laughing
    1. Olgovich 3 March 2020 11: 23 New
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      Quote: Alexey RA
      It is especially funny to hear from the residents of Belodels about the poor, miserable Constituent Assembly.

      It's funny to read illiterate nonsense from ... a literate person:
      Quote: Alexey RA
      What do you think happened next with this respectable and legitimate body? What next I came Kolchak.

      This body is legal created All-Russian Council of Ministers -with all powers.

      Council of Ministers elected Kolchak with all powers.

      Accordingly, Kolchak was vested with the right to clean up any anti-legal anti-government protests in military the time.

      Remember for yourself HOW only the leader acted public organizations in PEACEFUL time with your associates according to the Politburo, Organizing Bureau, Central Committee, SNK, etc.

      And he destroyed the deputies of the Constitutional Council as well ...in 1941 g, so afraid.

      Do you talk about them? request

      The murdered deputies were put on trial under Kolchak.

      Chernov and others calmly lived a long life, in contrast, by the way, from the Bolshevik and Socialist Revolutionary deputies of the CSS, which were killed by the Bolsheviks from 1917 to 1941.


      Quote: Alexey RA
      But they will continue to tell us about the bloody Bolsheviks who deprived the people of the Constituent Assembly


      10 million victims of a citizen slaughter (5 times more than the victims of the World War), unleashed by the Bolsheviks, is this not blood already?

      Kolchak’s goal is well-known: to conduct a FOUNDING MEETING of a free people, who will decide for themselves how to live there.

      In the case of the red elections, there WAS NOT AT ALL — yours were afraid of them to wet pants and paranoia, they lied, twisted, planted, and didn’t carry out, it’s just a FACT.

      I would like to see how many 0,000% of the votes would have been won by the Reds at this ELECTION after the news, for example, of the deaths of 33 million.
      Shame .....
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        Kolchak’s goal is well-known: to hold the FOUNDING MEETING of a free people,

        It is known that the appearance of Kolchak in Siberia was determined by his curator from British intelligence. He honestly spoke about this during interrogation before his death. Initially, Kolchak went to serve the British in the Middle East, but after receiving instructions from the British he went to organize the assassination of the enemies of the British Empire, and as it turned out later, the assassination of himself.
        1. Olgovich 4 March 2020 09: 45 New
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          It is known that the appearance of Kolchak in Siberia was determined by his curator from the British intelligence.

          1. It is known that this is stupid nonsense: there is not a single document from English intelligence about this.

          2. Goal A IN Kolchak-FREE CHOICE OF PEOPLE in the Constituent Assembly of Russia and obedience to its decisions.

          Your people have FOREVER been deprived of this choice FOREVER: so yours were afraid of him, to wet pants ...
        2. gsev 6 March 2020 20: 49 New
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          .It is known that this is stupid nonsense: there is not a single document from English intelligence about this.

          And you find on milter.ru protocols of interrogation of Kolchak. Remember the song "The uniform is English, Russian epaulet, Japanese epaulet, Omsk ruler." The writer V. Ivanov, as a young man, wrote a couple of anti-Soviet articles for the Kolchakovo newspaper, but he gained fame by publishing these apparently folk verses in his work. As I understand it, no one has occupied England, so the British state in the coming years, as before, will not let anyone in its private affairs agents and will not let it go.
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          Quote: gsev
          And you find on milter.ru protocols of interrogation of Kolchak.

          1. And there is not a word about agent english intelligence
          2. Who wrote these "protocols" - did not forget? Pathological liars and falsifiers of everything and everything.
          See, for example, "protocols" 36-41 years:
          Quote: gsev
          The writer V. Ivanov, as a young man, wrote a couple of anti-Soviet articles for the Kolchakovo newspaper, but he gained fame by publishing these apparently folk couplets

          1. where is it .... "apparently"?
          2. Once again confirm that all stocks of the Russian army were seized by the Bolsheviks
          Quote: gsev
          As I understand it, no one has occupied England, so the British state in the coming years, as before, will not let anyone in its private affairs agents and will not let it go.


          There was no trial over Kolchak, respectively, his ordinary bandits shot.

          And here is YOUR higher the leaders of the Red Army (1918–25) and the state with the party (Lenin’s guard) recognized the heaps of world intelligence and the GESTAPO and SS branches as the Supreme Court of the USSR.

          Do you catch the difference?
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          But YOUR top leaders of the Red Army (1918–25) and the state with the party (Lenin’s guard) were recognized as spies by heaps of world intelligence and the GESTAPO and SS branch of the Supreme Court of the USSR.

          You see, from my ancestors until 1941, no one fought for Soviet power. In the Antonov gang, one relative served. Nevertheless, all of my relatives who had little ability due to Soviet power were able to get higher or secondary special education. Under the tsar's priest, no one studied above the parish school. I just don’t understand why you hated the Bolsheviks and extol those who served the English, Japanese, German and other occupiers? Under the tsar there were the times of Ivan the Terrible, under the capitalists, the massacre of dissidents in Iran and Indonesia, and repression in Chile. I think that under Yeltsin more young accountants and businessmen served in prisons than under Stalin's enemies of the people.
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          You see, from my ancestors until 1941, no one fought for Soviet power.

          1. Regarding the real TRAITORS (the court established) from the highest echelon of YOUR authority, are there no objections?

          2. For the MOTHERLAND people fought at 41, as in 1812, and 1709, etc.

          When it was necessary to stand purely for the so-called "Soviet" power in 91 Mr. nobody stood up - and you too
          Quote: gsev
          Nevertheless, all of my relatives who had little ability due to Soviet power were able to get higher or secondary special education. Under the tsar's priest no one studied higher parish school

          Yeah, and in the 1950s RI sample, that’s all .... fool lol

          You would also know that 10 years after the Thief, the Bolsheviks did not build ANY SCHOOL, and before them they built a year 4-5 thousand schools per year.

          Those. MANY million people were educated LATER than if under Russia.

          The coefficient of accessibility of higher education in the Republic of Ingushetia for the people was higher than in Agnglia, Germany, etc.

          Quote: gsev
          Я I just don’t understandwhy did you hate the Bolsheviks and extol those who served the English, Japanese, German and other occupiers?

          1. This is from dense Ignorance-see. for example, on education above, read about the DESTRUCTION of Russian science in letters from the President of the USSR Academy of Sciences Oldenburg, etc.

          2. NOBODY betrayed Russia more than the Bolsheviks in March 1918.

          3. I do not hate, but disdain.
          Quote: gsev
          Under the tsar there were times of Ivan the Terrible, under the capitalists, the massacre of dissidents in Iran and Indonesia, repression in Chile

          In Russia, and indeed in the WORLD, NEVER there was such a wild mortality from starvation than under the "people's" power in 22,33

          Your Achievements "- catastrophe of '91 and the Russian Cross. It's just FACTS.
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          When it was necessary to stand purely for the so-called "Soviet" power in 91 Mr. nobody stood up - and you too

          In October 1993, in my hands for 5 hours was a magazine for the issuance of weapons of the Moscow riot police, abandoned by Yeltsin police officers near the city hall. You do not know the facts like to compose all sorts of stupid things. You see, in 1991 it was determined which way Russia would go. The government of Yeltsin, Gaidar, Chubais turned out to be much more stupid, venal and greedy than any representative of the communists. Gorbachev, too, as it turned out later, was more suited to the role of a dependent of the Gorbachev fund and pizza advertising actor than the leader of his country. Gorbachev’s change was a good deed, but Yeltsin’s choice was a great failure.
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          Quote: gsev
          In October 1993, in my hands for 5 hours was a magazine for the issuance of weapons of the Moscow riot police, abandoned by Yeltsin police officers near the city hall.

          And? belay
          Quote: gsev
          You do not know the facts like to compose all sorts of stupid things.

          I have given FACTS that you have Nothing to parry.
          Quote: gsev
          You see, in 1991 it was determined which way Russia would go. Government Yeltsin, Gaidar, Chubais turned out to be much dumber, venal and greedy than any representative of the communists.

          Listed and WERE the Communists, operating COMMUNITICAL methods of ENDURANCE.
          Quote: gsev
          but Yeltsin’s choice was a big failure

          disaster, yes.
          But why was he chosen?
          Because the communists raised practically politically helpless infantile people who are easy to manipulate and deceive ....
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          disaster, yes.
          But why was he chosen?
          Because the Communists raised practically politically helpless infantile people who are easy to manipulate and deceive ....

          No matter how infantile and politically helpless our fellow citizens were from 1920 to 1985, but the population of the USSR was growing, territories too, technology and science were also at their best. At present, Chinese firms at exhibitions also look helpless, timid, but their firms can produce products better and cheaper than firms in other countries. Under Tsar’s father, the Japanese lost less than 500 sailors killed and not a single large ship managed to sink the 2 Pacific Fleet at Tsushima and kill several thousand Russian sailors. In 1945, the USSR washed away the shame of defeating the Japanese and World War I.
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          No matter how infantile and politically helpless our fellow citizens were from 1920 to 1985, but the population of the USSR grew,

          grew due to FOREVER RUSSIA. And here is the generation that has entered adulthood in the late 1920s -already did not reproduce itself further and even more so: there were fewer and fewer children, your result, in just 70 years, the RUSSIAN CROSS
          Quote: gsev
          territories too

          Lying.
          Quote: gsev
          Under Tsar’s priest, the Japanese lost less than 500 sailors killed and not a single large ship managed to sink the 2 Pacific Fleet at Tsushima and kill several thousand Russian sailors,

          look at how many Russians died in WWII (in%) and how many in WWII.
          Quote: gsev
          In 1945, the USSR washed away the shame of the defeat of the Japanese and World War I.

          What is the "shame" of the REV? belay Primorye and Amur region are preserved, in Japan, riots due to its results.

          PMV, remember, lost the SNK of the Bolsheviks, who had nothing to do with Russia.
          PMV Russia, part of the Entente, won.
          These are just FACTS.
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          PMV, remember, lost the SNK of the Bolsheviks, who had nothing to do with Russia.

          I just know that the cadets and Socialist-Revolutionaries overthrew the king. And at the beginning of 1914, the leader of the Socialist Revolutionaries V. Chernov agreed with the Polish Socialist Revolutionaries how, after a future war, they would separate Polish, Ukrainian, Belorussian and Lithuanian lands from Russia under the supervision of Great Britain and France. Understand that all the enemies of the Bolsheviks after 1922 knew that communism then came to Russia for a long time and that they would have to live under the care of Western intelligence until the end of their lives. Therefore, they all frankly recalled their merits in the service of the West and swore their betrayal of Russia and fidelity to its enemies in all the articles and in their memoirs. Read .....
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          I just know that the cadets and Socialist-Revolutionaries overthrew the king.

          You know then NOTHING.

          Strange as it may seem, the truth was written by Stalin in a short course on wbbe: fevr roared the proletariat under the direction of the Bolsheviks
          Quote: gsev
          And at the beginning of 1914, the leader of the Socialist Revolutionaries V. Chernov agreed with the Polish Socialist Revolutionaries how, after a future war, they would separate Polish, Ukrainian, Belorussian and Lithuanian lands from Russia under the supervision of Great Britain and France.

          Nonsense.
          Quote: gsev
          Understand that all the enemies of the Bolsheviks after 1922 knew that communism then came to Russia for a long time and they will have to live on in charge of intelligence Of the West. Therefore, they all frankly recalled their merits in the service of the West and swore his betrayal of Russia and fidelity to her enemies in all the articles and in his memoirs. Read .....

          Brad.
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          Nonsense

          Quote: Olgovich

          Brad.

          Olgovich, read Viktor Chernov’s memoirs! I believe what Chernov wrote about how in the spring of 1914 he discussed the future Polish-Russian demarcation and the requests of the British and French special services for this demarcation.
          Understand that the short course of the CPSU (b) (History of the CPSU) has changed over the years from the exact opposite. What year version do you consider reliable?
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          Olgovich, read Viktor Chernov’s memoirs! I believe what Chernov wrote about how in the spring of 1914 he discussed the future Polish-Russian demarcation and the requests of the British and French special services for this demarcation.

          I READ them, this is not your first time offering them.
          Quote: gsev
          Understand that the short course of the CPSU (b) (History of the CPSU) has changed over the years from the exact opposite. What year version do you consider reliable?

          Any: that chapter was NOT changed by anyone.
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    Apro, you really managed to rudely violate the rules of the Russian language: all names, animal names and geographical names are capitalized
  • Varyag_0711 2 March 2020 08: 57 New
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    1. You did not answer the question.
    Do not drive your snowstorm again, about the popular elections in the US. There was no popular vote there; less than 50% of the population participated in the elections. And the Bolsheviks did not lose the election, but took second place in the number of deputies.
    By the way, why are you so advocating for the US ?! What is it that the essays took the first place in the CSS in terms of the number of mandates ?! Those. a party consisting of terrorists who bombed your beloved kings in batches? These are really "worthy" representatives of society.
    And then, in Moscow and St. Petersburg it was the Bolsheviks who won, moreover, by a wide margin from the essays. So the most sensible workers voted for the Bolsheviks.
    But, all the same, it remains a mystery to me, why are you so bothering with this CSS? What do you want to prove? What is this bunch of talkers who could not solve ANYTHING, what really meant at that time?
    At that time, only the Bolsheviks had a real vision of a way out of this critical situation, and only they could do it. EVERYTHING, the question is settled on this, NO ONE could do this anymore. But to engage in boltology is not to toss bags, a lot of mind is not necessary.
    So take a sip of Valerian and go to a sedative injection, otherwise the doctors are already waiting for you.
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      Do not drive your snowstorm again, about the popular elections in the CSS.

      You leave your fenya for your "socially close" accomplices.
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      There was no popular vote there; less than 50% of the population participated in the elections.

      1. It was recognized by all: it was the most democratic election in the world, ANYWHERE of these have not even been mentioned: universal (even women and youth!), secret, free, direct, competitive, independent, the most massive.

      Even the bald carla admitted:
      Any attempt to consider the question of the Constituent Assembly from the formal legal sidewithin ordinary bourgeois democracyoutside the class struggle and civil war is treason

      But he has ...Grad War fool -Main and welcomed and above ... the legal side fool

      2. Elected 48 million people - more than half of voters ( “The All-Russian Constituent Assembly. The story of birth and death ").

      Quote: Varyag_0711
      And the Bolsheviks did not lose the election, but took second place in the number of deputies

      See, see. how they fled with us.
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      Those. a party consisting of terrorists who bombed your beloved kings in batches? These are really "worthy" representatives of society.

      Go to school and find out how many party members there were and how many terrorists.
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      And then, in Moscow and St. Petersburg it was the Bolsheviks who won, moreover, by a wide margin from the essays. So the most sensible workers voted for the Bolsheviks.

      workers 3 (THREE!) percent of the population. Peasants (90% of the population) - sent
      And then the workers scared terribly for how the Bolsheviks had deceived them.
      Cadets in many cities-won
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      But, all the same, it remains a mystery to me, why are you so bothering with this CSS? What do you want to prove? What is this bunch of talkers who could not solve ANYTHING, what really meant at that time?

      "Chatting" -in all parliaments-and this is done instead of KILLING each other on the battlefields, on the recipes of stupid "decided", advocating for every war with everyone ..

      Got it, no?
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      On that moment only the Bolsheviks have had real vision out of this critical situation, and only they could do it.

      What kind of bullshit is this nonsense?

      All had their visions and much less bloody than foreign tourists - in Russiae living and never working idlers and lobsters.
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      NO ONE could do this anymore.

      4 years, Russia fought for its freedom in a hot war and for decades in resistance: see how much million citizens your "craftsmen" exiled how much hundreds of thousands shot for one year 37-38 years in Peaceful time (where, in which "anti-people" kapstran this happened?).

      No wonder yours were afraid PEOPLE'S ELECTIONS to paranoia, to a wet bed at night, and NEVER held them.

      This is just a fact.

      Quote: Varyag_0711
      So take a sip of valerian and go to a sedative injectionotherwise the doctors have been waiting for you.

      Ugly act: YOU are did not help, and advise others. Oh no no no! lol

      PS You didn’t answer the question. ... lol
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        What kind of bullshit is this nonsense?
        And this is written to me by a person who writes:
        You leave your fenya for your "socially close" accomplices.
        So I can advise you to do the same.
        The rest of your nonsense, I even comment on laziness. In addition, all this your BONUS has already been spread a hundred times on the wall. So I see no reason to repeat myself. Glory to God such as you, we have a tiny minority. Most all the same, adequate and sensible people who know the history of Russia as it really was, and not as it is drawn in your fool sick consciousness.
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          Quote: Varyag_0711
          The rest of your nonsense, I even comment on laziness. In addition, all this your BONUS has already been spread a hundred times on the wall. So I see no reason to repeat myself.

          You just... lol You can not lol .

          FACTS - IMPOSSIBLE to smudge. yes Chop it on your forehead.

          Rather, it is possible in:
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          your sick fool consciousness.

          True, already:
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          like you, we have a tiny minority.

          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Most all the same, adequate and sane people who know the history of Russia as it really was

          Most readers and those who want to KNOW the TRUE Story, not your communes. lying so-called "history", where there was not a trace neither famines with MILLIONS of victims of famine, nor the sober island of the cannibals NAZINO, nor the robbed Russian people, nor the dying Russian Non-Black Earth, ANYTHING.

          PS1 You ugly act: it did not help YOU, but advise others. Oh no no no! Not ashamed? lol

          PS2 to the question, did not answer lol laughing
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            Olgovich (Andrey)
            FACTS - IMPOSSIBLE to smudge.
            Sick, yes you have a hysteria, amid insanity on the crunch of French rolls. laughing
            Most readers and those wishing to KNOW THE TRUE Story
            Unlike fool sick Bulk-crunches, MOST and KNOWS her!
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              Quote: Varyag_0711
              Sick, yes you hysterics, on the background insanity on the crunch of french loaf.

              And these are all the “arguments” of fenelyub-sandblast? belay lol
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              Unlike sick Bulk-crunches, MOST already KNOWS it!

              Of course, people who are sick, loving and appreciating the HISTORY of the Fatherland have learned much more than those communes. the so-called the pseudo "history" of 40 years ago, on which the ancient sand-crushing Varangians "froze" on the squad, is not able to master more.
              Poor.... request
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          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Olgovich (Andrey)
          What is this golem RAVE?
          And this is written to me by a person who writes:
          You leave your fenya for your "socially close" accomplices.
          So I can advise you to do the same.

          You go to the SCHOOL and learn the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE, not Fenyu:
          Meaning of the word "Golem" at Efremovo Explanatory Dictionaryй

          Accent: naked appendix

          Not having any impurities, additives; undiluted, clean.

          Therefore: you have “undiluted, clean” (golem) nonsense

          Shame .... negative
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            1. Alexander Suvorov 2 March 2020 12: 19 New
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              Diana, my respect! love
              Yes, do not pay attention to the mentally ill fool . This is so with Romanian raw moonshine flatters and sausages. laughing
              It is good that there are not so many people like him.
              1. Ryaruav 2 March 2020 13: 53 New
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                Comrade Suvorov, I’m not a supporter of Olgovich, but he has a lot of interesting things in his comments. Here’s how you explain the fact that when I open the Soviet military encyclopedia in eight volumes, I find that 90% of the heroes of the civil war could not cross the line in 1938, they are all spies and wreckers ? if you can, please explain with facts and documents what it was, why? otherwise it’s not clear that they are heroes at 18–20, but on the contrary, at 35–38, and again, please, not like your diane unfounded, but I really look forward to the facts
                1. Alexander Suvorov 2 March 2020 14: 07 New
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                  Ryaruav (Ryaruav)
                  comrade suvorov
                  Tambov Wolf is your friend.
                  I am not a supporter of olgovich but he has a lot of interesting comments
                  For whom is it interesting, for a forensic expert or a psychoanalyst?
                  here is how you explain the fact that when I open the Soviet military encyclopedia in eight volumes, I find that 90% of the heroes of the civil war could not cross the line of 1938
                  Is this a fact? How did you establish this fact? They took a calculator and studied all 8 volumes? It will take at least a few years of life. So your "facts" are from the same opera as that of olgovich.
                  Are they all spies and pests?
                  Maybe not all, but most of those who were cleared out were guilty to one degree or another. As Gleb Zhiglov said: remember Sharapov, there is no punishment without guilt!
                  if you can, please explain with facts and documents what it was, why?
                  And who are you to spend time on you? I don’t see the need for you personally to prove anything.
                  and again please, not like your diane unfounded, but I really look forward to the facts
                  Wait further ... And do not touch Diana, you do not match a girl!
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                  everything is correct you don’t have the facts, I think the story doesn’t know the last book
                3. Diana Ilyina 2 March 2020 14: 26 New
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                  Ryaruav (Ryaruav)
                  everything is correct you don’t have the facts, I think the story doesn’t know the last book
                  And what "facts" do you have ?! What kind of mythical 90% of the repressed, taken is not known from which ceiling ?!
                  They pointed you right at the door, simply because in order to collect at least a little bit serious facts about the repressed, you need to drop everything, work, home, family, go to the central archive and spend a few years shoveling over things, 90% of which will be yourself fair sentences. And who needs it and most importantly for what ?! In order to convince you of something? Yes, how can you not convince Olga with what documents do not bring, you will have everything as in a saying about God's dew in the eye. So what's the point of answering something else? You demand, do not ask, namely, you demand reasoned, confirmed by irrefutable facts answers, not leading to counterarguments ANYTHING except your sick fantasies. So why should someone give you a reasoned answer to your flimsy, unreasonable tweet?
                  They wrote everything right to you.

                  Boys (Varangian, Alexander Suvorov, Oleg Frolov) thank you very much from me! hi love And for support and for life position.
                4. Ryaruav 2 March 2020 14: 36 New
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                  Diana, it’s not from the ceiling bother to take the Soviet military encyclopedia and look through at least the first volume as immediately as Antonov Avseenko and many, many others, but your statements at the level you are all fools and all very easy position not burdened by the knowledge of even Marxist-Leninist philosophy
                5. vladcub 2 March 2020 18: 36 New
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                  Ryaruav, I think you will not deny that Dybenko or Peters deserved their bullet, perhaps belatedly, but they got it.
          2. vladcub 2 March 2020 18: 24 New
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            Alexander Suvorov, I agree with you: “they were to some extent guilty,” but let's not forget that MUCH DIED in vain.
            "Yezhov the bastard KILLED a LOT of innocent people. We shot the villain" (I.V. Stalin)
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            "as Gleb Zhiglov said" is a wonderful film, but still it is a film. If we use artistic images, then it is better from the classics of literature. "writers are engineers of human souls" (Stalin)
            Personally, I consider
        3. vladcub 2 March 2020 19: 14 New
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          Ryaruav, I’ll try to answer your question “at 18-20 they are heroes, and at 35-38 quite the opposite” we take Dybenko: for various reasons, he hated tsarism, was he a hero in the GV? If you constantly see the facts then the “hero” is a stretch of it. By and large, it was possible to shoot him back in 1918, but "love is blind" and Kolontai saved him, and he subsequently forgot it.
          Khrushchev needed to denigrate Stalin, and he made heroes of the dubious personalities, to put it mildly.
          V.K. Blucher or M.N. Tukhachevsky, unlike Dybenko, they were braver and smarter than Dybenko, but I doubt whether they were ideological. How did it happen that they chose the side of the red, not the white? There are a whole range of reasons, and why were they heroes? Figs knows him, perhaps from self-preservation: “White certainly would not spare them
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          Quote: Ryaruav
          Comrade Suvorov, I’m not a supporter of Olgovich, but he has a lot of interesting things in his comments. Here’s how you explain the fact that when I open the Soviet military encyclopedia in eight volumes, I find that 90% of the heroes of the civil war could not cross the line in 1938, they are all spies and wreckers ? if you can, please explain with facts and documents what it was, why?

          The explanation begins with the fact that you, as the initiator, take all 8 volumes and make a complete list of repressed / not repressed (at the same time and count%), surname and indicating the article and case number (for repressed). Then you will take all these cases out of the archives (if they are, of course, declassified), then we will all read them together, and perhaps we will reach a consensus, after which Comrade Suvorov will certainly chew you everything after which the above procedure You don’t finish it yourself. Do you agree? laughing
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          Oh the dreary will be lesson
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        Quote: Ryaruav
        in eight volumes I find that 90% of the heroes of the civil war were unable to cross the line of 1938

        In the 30s, bureaucrats replaced the revolutionaries. As soon as Stalin introduced closed distributors and premiums in envelopes for the nomenclature, canceled the party maximum, the construction of a classless society on a communist basis in Russia ended.
  • Olgovich 2 March 2020 13: 25 New
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    Olgovich (Andrey)
    Therefore: you have “undiluted, clean” (golem) nonsense
    It is rather related to your creativity.
    You go to SCHOOL and learn RUSSIAN LANGUAGE
    It would not hurt you to do this yourself, but at the same time to learn the story, and not to carry the feverish delirium of the patient to the head.
    Shame ....
    This is exactly what concerns you to the fullest ... It is just like you who are the complete disgrace and the shame of your ancestors ..

    Why is this your goofy nonsense anything? request

    Something facts to object to?
    Not again?

    So do not litter.

    Shame ....
    1. Varyag_0711 2 March 2020 13: 50 New
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      Why is this your goofy nonsense about anything? request
      Be careful when cornering, you still communicate with the girl, and not with your sidekick sidekicks. Degrading communication with the opposite sex, speaks only about your level of degradation, i.e. below the baseboard.
      Are you able to object to the facts?
      You have no factsone solid FALSE. So there is nothing to object to, you can only dunk you with a face in the pool of your stinking lies.
      So do not litter.
      Use your own advice, do not litter.
      Shame ....
      You undoubtedly!
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        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Be careful when cornering, you still communicate with the girl, and not with your sidekick sidekicks.

        Fenelyub, your advice is to the Soviets, there too, yes.

        "Girl" answered correctly and without your thieves
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        You have no facts, one solid FALSE. So there’s nothing to object to, you can only dunk face you into a puddle your smelly .

        How do you smell like a Bolshevik yes

        And FACTS to oppose ANYTHING can not .

        Oh, of course, except ...odorless! lol yes
      2. Looking for 2 March 2020 17: 32 New
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        all your "facts" are nothing more. than a selection of dubious fraud. created in the 90s.
    2. Ryaruav 2 March 2020 16: 49 New
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      talk with a woman communicate modern girls on this site you will never find from a word
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      Varangian, plus you, to be rude to a woman is at least not beautiful and not smart.
  • Astra wild 2 March 2020 20: 43 New
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    Olgovich, you are a smart person, and therefore must forgive Diana emotions, she is a woman.
    When a man begins to respond to female emotions no less emotionally - not a man, but a bazaar woman
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      Quote: Astra wild
      Olgovich, you are a smart person, and therefore must forgive Diana emotions, she is a woman.
      When a man begins to respond to female emotions no less emotionally - not a man, but a bazaar woman

      А than offended by female dignity? request

      Specify specifically.
  • Looking for 2 March 2020 17: 28 New
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    OLGOVICH. WHERE ARE YOU READING OUT ??
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      The Seeker (Alexander)
      OLGOVICH. WHERE ARE YOU READING OUT ??
      From New Romania, in the sense of Moldova.
  • 210ox 2 March 2020 14: 22 New
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    Heaped things will not capture anything — the gut is thin. Yes, and remind about the National Elections, and when was this a farce in 1917? They failed before it even started. And it was not the Bolsheviks who were to blame, but the then elite, the leadership of the Cadets, Octobrists and others ..
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      but such an entire communist Diana believes in horoscopes, although he should not
  • BAI
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    to an indisputable FACT: the civil massacre began on October 26, 1917

    This is an undeniable lie. The "Civil Massacre" began with the February Revolution.

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      Quote: BAI
      This is an undeniable lie. "Civil Massacre" began with the February Revolution

      Learn what civil war is.

      Have you learned?

      Now tell me-what ORGANIZED ggroup (power) fought with which other ORGANIZED groups (authorities) between February and the Thief.

      The other day, four people were shot in the head in the north-east of Moscow, surrounded 30 apartments, robbed 30 people.

      In your opinion, these are acts .... "civil war" lol
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        Have you learned?

        I don’t have to teach. I already know, and I am not pulling up one necessary definition out of several existing ones for my selfish interests.


        By the way, where does the academician have about organization?
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          Quote: BAI
          I don’t have to teach. I already know, and I don’t pull one necessary definition out of several existing ones to my self-serving interests.

          belay lol fool
          Quote: BAI
          By the way, where does the academician have about organization?

          А Group- how do you get it? Not "organization", but ... "disorganization" ..? lol

          You still have not answered a simple question: WHAT group power with WHAT group power and for what purpose-programs did you “fight” from February on the BOP?
          "battles", by the way, call lol

          Defeats, pogroms by bandits, robberies, seizures of property is ..... gr. war?.

          So yesterday, several dozens of apartment buildings and estates were robbed, gangs of attack and murder were made, etc.
          In your opinion this is .. "gr. War" lol
          1. Sugar Honeyovich 2 March 2020 16: 45 New
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            "On April 20-21, during a spontaneous (organized by neither the Bolsheviks nor the Petrograd Soviet) anti-government demonstration in clashes between opponents and supporters of the Provisional Government, an 18-year-old Putilovsky worker was mortally wounded. Dozens of people were injured and injured. July 3, 1917, despite calls "Bolsheviks began the July anti-government demonstration. As a result of the shootings on July 3 and 4, 18 people were killed, another 6 died from wounds, and about 700 people were injured, injured and contused" (Startsev) .

            Isn't that a civil war yet? If not, what is it and why?
      2. Sugar Honeyovich 2 March 2020 16: 43 New
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        "... by order of the king on February 26 they shoot at people, impose a state of emergency. Hundreds of dead and wounded! ...
        On the morning of February 27, 1917, there was an uprising of soldiers in Petrograd and their connection with strikers ...
        "Pharaohs" - policemen shoot from roofs, air defense machine guns are used. The killing and lynching of police by workers, soldiers, students. The killing of officers and generals. In Kronstadt, the commandant of the fortress was killed. Over hundreds of officers were seized and put in a cold detention center: boots, overcoats were taken from them, they were given bread and water. In Helsingfors, a crowd of sailors is killing the commander of the Baltic Fleet, Admiral Nepenin. New killings, arrests of officers, a wave of violence against commanding personnel swept through the rear garrisons and the army. They kill the commanders, take the guardhouse and prison by storm ...
        Even in the Tauride Palace, the center of the February Revolution, the residence of the Petrograd Soviet of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies and the Provisional Committee of the State Duma, guards from Preobrazhensky soldiers (! -S.M.) mocked the old men - tsarist ministers and generals brought from all over the city
        1. vladcub 4 March 2020 13: 17 New
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          Sahar Medovich, on the subject of: "Helsegfors crowd of sailors kills the commander of the Baltic Fleet Admiral Nepenin" there is a version that he was killed on the instructions of German intelligence.
          It is possible that the Germans wrote off the real diversion as revolution
  • Same lech 2 March 2020 09: 55 New
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    WHY do the tens of millions of citizens of the country who elected non-Bolshevik power in the popular elections, had to obey ... the losing Bolsheviks?
    And remember what the little-power government promised the people ... smile the war to the bitter end with the Germans, the land of the landlords, the bourgeois factories ... no social guarantees ... the Bolsheviks just promised to end the war, give the land to the peasants, factory workers ... slogans understandable and understandable to the people ... because the majority of the population of Russia and went after the Bolsheviks ...
    In addition, the White Guards invited invaders to our land on our land ... already for this I will take the side of the Bolsheviks.
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    Quote: Olgovich
    WHY do the tens of millions of citizens of the country who elected non-Bolshevik power in the popular elections, had to obey ... the losing Bolsheviks?

    The Bolsheviks were not losers. And WHY did they support them - perhaps because they best expressed the interests of the majority of the people?
    At the very least, the statements of contemporaries are recorded that the Bolsheviks are better than others (Fedorchenko):
    - I like going with the Reds. You know: it’s not because of your own skin that you are fighting. Ahead of that - you know. Science, education, the prohibition of money, and so that no one else's work.

    - There are such lucky ones - they immediately got to the place, to the most Bolsheviks, and learned order, and how to save the honor. We can’t apply it to the mind - we immediately got up to the ataman, a fellow villager. As they went with him, they walked, simply saying, they were pogromizing the unarmed. And I went away with shame for such a sake, having such a hope with a suitable - honest military unit to meet. Not necessary, our places are not like that. And I got from an ear to an ear! I sit in the green, feed on one clean robbery. Already I have lost faith, is there any where these shelves are - red, regular and good behavior.

    - The Bolsheviks are more intelligible than all, they are brave. For others, the language will not turn into many words, but these will say about such a thing that you even shkvarish like fat on fire, before you enter the concept from their speeches.

    - I do not give, brothers, faith
    Petrograd Socialist Revolutionary,
    It’s embarrassing to war
    Promises land

    - How many brains move,
    It will be a Bolshevik,
    If there’s no brain at all,
    Cadet is being called.

    And who chooses
    Doesn’t know the party at all
    His parties are all one,
    Only used to stop the war.
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    Quote: Olgovich
    No one has yet answered the simplest question: WHY do the tens of millions of citizens of the country who elected NON-Bolshevik power in the popular elections have to submit ... to the losing Bolsheviks?

    You have been answered this question a hundred times, but you. either you’re not able to understand, or you don’t want to, and with manic persistence you continue to ask him. This leads to some thoughts regarding your mental health.
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      You have been answered this question a hundred times, but you. either you’re not able to understand, or you don’t want to, and with manic persistence continue to ask him

      NOBODY and NEVER answered.

      Like today.

      Fear. lol

      If you remember something that was not there, then it is a disaster
      Quote: Alexander Green
      your mental health.
      request
      1. Alexander Greene 3 March 2020 21: 48 New
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        You fall into childhood, your answer like "it’s like that" is the level of kindergarten, but your faces are simply amazing, that's how I imagined you.
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          Quote: Alexander Green
          You fall into childhood, your answer like "it’s like that" is the level of kindergarten, but your faces are simply amazing, that's how I imagined you.

          This empty CHATTER is the "answer" to ... specific question? belay fool lol

          Do not litter! hi
  • gsev 3 March 2020 20: 18 New
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    Quote: Olgovich
    WHY do the tens of millions of citizens of the country who elected non-Bolshevik power in the popular elections, had to obey ... the losing Bolsheviks?

    Because in the summer of 1917 throughout the whole of Russia, peasants divided the land of the landowners, and the landowners of parasites were asked to leave their homes. Lenin in October 1917 legitimized the spontaneous actions of the Russian people. White’s attempt to turn history back failed. By 1991, factories and collective farms already belonged to the nomenclature, which she legitimized in 1991-1993. In 2005, private business also showed its failure to build its own state and ceded power to the servants.
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      Quote: gsev
      Because in summer 1917 years throughout Russia peasants

      The elections were held in NOVEMBER 17 g and the Bolsheviks were sent to!

      You NOT answered to the question: WHY tens of millions of citizenswho elected in a popular election Non-Bolshevik powershould have obeyed ... losers to the Bolsheviks?
  • Thank. Very interesting reading!
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    "what is translated from Adyghe:" valley of apple trees "actually there is another version of the name: mi an ķap- the height of the cops.
  • parusnik 2 March 2020 18: 30 New
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    Film Iron Stream, dedicated to the campaign of the Taman Red Army .. a strong film ... Yes, and the campaign itself is no less heroic .... And also, during the Taman uprising of the Cossacks in May 1918 in the village of Akhtanizovskaya .. Valiant Cossacks turned for help to the German troops who were in Crimea and the Germans helped .. by occupying the Taman Peninsula. In addition, a group of Cossack officers of German orientation declared itself the "Kuban government", issued proclamations against the Kuban Rada and the Volunteer Army, with an appeal to the population of the Kuban not obey them. The Germans scattered these flyers from airplanes outside Taman ...
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      Sailboat, in fact, the Wind was already talking about the tricks of the Black Sea when they "muddied" with the Directory.
      In every war, and in civil war, especially heroic, tragic and low always coexist
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        I read, and this is about my own, about my native ... We didn’t like the Akhtanizovskys in the city for a long time ... They beat us very often .. Although at tourist camps, at least at the military ...
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          I heard about such a detail in my childhood, but I remember so vaguely that I decided: my childhood fantasy. As a child, as it was: I heard some news and you begin to fantasize. When I was 5 years old I talked about the “tavern car”. So, as this fact I can ascribe fantasies
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            Aaaaa laughing So, I did not participate in these fights .... wink Well, all right ... or from the Akhtaniz’s ... smile By the way, they met Germans with bread and salt .... I won’t prove anything, it’s useless smile
  • Astra wild 2 March 2020 20: 28 New
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    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Olgovich
    EVE decided everything, for this it was elected.

    It is especially funny to hear from the residents of Belodels about the poor, miserable Constituent Assembly.

    In 1918, members of the Constituent Assembly who fled from the "bloody Bolsheviks" created the Committee of Members of the All-Russian Constituent Assembly (KOMUCH). On September 23, 1918, in Ufa, at the State Conference, the Ufa Directory (the Provisional All-Russian Government) was formed, uniting and replacing Komuch and the rival Provisional Siberian Government.

    What do you think happened next with this respectable and quite legitimate body? And then came Kolchak. And the deputies of the Constituent Assembly, who fled from the Bolsheviks, were first deprived of power, then partially arrested, and partially simply killed.
    After Admiral Kolchak came to power on November 18, 1918, the Directory and its associated institutions were disbanded. The congress of the members of the Constituent Assembly tried to protest against the coup, as a result the order was issued "to take measures to immediately arrest Chernov and other active members of the Constituent Assembly, who were in Yekaterinburg." Evicted from Yekaterinburg, either under guard or under escort of Czech soldiers, deputies gathered in Ufa, where they tried to campaign against Kolchak. On November 30, 1918, he ordered the former members of the Constituent Assembly to be brought before a military court "for attempting to raise an insurrection and conduct destructive agitation among the troops." On December 2, a special detachment under the command of Colonel Kruglevsky part of the members of the Congress of the Constituent Assembly (25 people) was arrested, delivered in freight cars to Omsk and imprisoned. Even earlier, on November 24, 1918, an officer from the Krasilnikov detachment was illegally arrested and deputy Boris Moiseenko was killed. After the suppression of the unsuccessful Bolshevik uprising in Omsk on the night of December 22 to December 23, 1918, a member of the Constituent Assembly, Neil Fomin, and 9 prominent Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks, who were imprisoned, were badly chopped up by sabers and shot by Kolchak officers under the command of Lieutenant Bartashevsky and Captain Rubtsov.

    But they will continue to tell us about the bloody Bolsheviks who deprived the people of the Constituent Assembly. laughing

    Olgovich, forgive Kolchak so be that he slammed the "shop of talkers."
    Kolchak was cruel, but He had UM. And it hurts me that he, a brave officer and a good traveler, went against the people
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      Quote: Astra wild
      And it hurts me that he, a brave officer and a good traveler, went against the people

      Well, WHO gave you the RIGHT to speak on behalf of ... the people? belay

      No one.

      Like the Bolsheviks, NOBODY and NEVER!
  • vladcub 2 March 2020 22: 07 New
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    The wind, for the sake of justice: A. G. Shkur (his real last name) just thwarted once an attempt to crack down on the “Black Sea.” This is the first
    Second, you must admit that A. G. Shkuro was more decent than Pokrovsky.
    Third, P.N. Wrangel also did not intrigue very nicely against Denikin. So in Pokrovsky acted just like Wrangel.
    In my understanding, Pokrovsky is an adventurer - a maniac. By the way, Sorokin is also an adventurer. That Sorokin, that Grigorovich, that Pokrovsky are all adventurers, and if you give power then ...
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    Quote: antivirus
    on the face are uzastny, kind inside ..

    I don’t know how they seemed to you kind.
  • Astra wild 5 March 2020 07: 57 New
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    Olgovich, I'm sorry, but you sinned against the truth: "White fought for the fatherland against the German occupiers" ..


    And where were the front-line heroes Denikin, Wrangel, Kolchak, Yudenich, Kaledin, Dutov, etc., etc.?

    And where were the cowards, deserters, deviators-venison, apfelbaum, rosenberg, brackets, etc., etc. (see the so-called SNK)?

    That's the whole story .....
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    You ate me: who was authorized to speak on behalf of the whole people

    This is just a statement

    Kerensky actually lost power, but picked it up. Can you name someone else who could pick up power besides Lenin? Just do not need about CSS