Why were ekranoplanes only in the USSR?


WIG. Very original and original cars with great potential, as they say now. The brainchild of Minister of Defense Marshal Dmitry Ustinov, who greatly helped the appearance of these machines in general and the "Caspian Monster" in particular.


В stories (unfortunately) the USSR remained both the first serial landing landing craft "Orlyonok" and the first strike "Lun" with anti-ship missile "Mosquito" on board. The last "Eaglet" was decommissioned in 2007, the "Lun" seems to be mothballed, and there are no reasons for re-conservation or any work on it.


The death of Ustinov and the collapse of the Soviet Union put an end to the whole idea of ​​ekranoplanes. Today, talk about this sometimes comes in, law enforcement agencies show interest, but all this will remain at the level of chatter for many reasons.

In the US, too, "showed interest." So what?

And really, what's overseas? Really didn’t want to do the same, only cooler?

They wanted to. Not like ours, but they took the idea very seriously. Most importantly, in the United States there was a man no less gifted than our Rostislav Alekseev, the creator of Soviet ekranoplanes. And you, dear readers, fans of everything flying in particular, this person should be well aware.

Alexander Martin Lippish.


Yes, the same one, the creator of the DFS-194 airframe, from which, when processing with a hammer and a file, Me.163 turned out. That is, a person who knows how to work his head is indisputable.

Lippish could, in principle, compete with Alekseev. It could, especially as the delta wing, jet engines - this is what Lippish really knew how to do.

Moreover, the very idea of ​​ekranoplan was Lippis not alien. He worked in this direction, since he had all the conditions for this in the USA. And when we began work on the KM apparatus (“Ship Model” and not “Caspian Monster”), and this happened at the very beginning of the 60s, Lippish worked absolutely in parallel with Alekseev. And he got no less outlandish devices, to be honest.

Why were ekranoplanes only in the USSR?

This is still a plane. "Aerodyne". Wingless plane. But you realized that Lippisch was a very extraordinary designer.

But if the first Soviet SM-1 ekranolet made its first flight on July 22, 1961, and the KM flew in 1966, then Lippish was not so bad. In 1963, the first American device Collins X-112 designed by a German engineer also began to fly pretty well.


The difference in schools and constructions was significant. Alekseev made machines with a short and straight wing, Lippisch (naturally) with a triangular reverse sweep wing. Alekseev’s machines were somewhat more profitable, because they easily allowed scaling, that is, the creation of a multiple model of any size.

Each time Lippisch had to re-calculate everything, but his cars were distinguished by ease of operation, great stability and maneuverability. For Alekseev’s machines, pilots had to be retrained, and retrained for quite some time. And the creator himself was generally considered the best pilot of Soviet ekranoplanes.

It is impossible to say that Lippisch cars were not interested in anyone in the USA. The military looked with pleasure at the demonstration flights of all German ekranoplanes, and the X-112, and X-113, and RFB X-114. Moreover, intelligence reported that the Russians also come up with something like that.


X-114








So in the USA they didn’t doze off either and as a result they put Lippisch for the project of a large ekranoplan. And it happened two years before the first flight of the CM.

The military was interested in this device. True, they did not yet know how to apply it. But NASA knew and also began to ask the price of ekranoplan. Well, everything was clear with the space agency, they were interested in transport, which could deliver particularly valuable details to the spaceport and as a search and rescue tool.

Here you need to know that the first capsules with astronauts did not land, but were brought down in the Atlantic Ocean, so the faster the reaction of the search engines, the brighter the prospect for astronauts became.

So the interest was ...

However, the presence of interest is not at all a prospect. Any of us may show interest in, say, the new Mercedes model. But God forbid that one in a thousand could buy. You need to understand why you need a car of this class in general, and whether it will pull the budget in particular.

That's about the same thing happened with the Americans.

They had an interest, they had money (as usual), but there was no understanding why they needed these complex and expensive devices. And the United States had a fleet. More precisely, several fleets, capable, according to the command, to solve all the problems of the day with the help of smaller aircraft carriers, battleships and ships.

It was quite logical. Fleets could be in any area of ​​the oceans and there to carry out what was assigned to them. Without the use of ekranoplanes, especially since there were no tasks for them.

The USSR had a headache of a completely different nature, although it was called exactly the same: US Navy. And our admirals were loaded with the task of neutralizing this fleet. But there was nothing to neutralize.

And here the variant with an ekranoplane seemed quite normal, which had a good camouflage, moving quite low above the water, and simply excellent speed and range.


Yes, it was a very complex technique, it was not in vain that from the first flights in the 60s to the appearance of sane samples, ready for mass production, as many as 20 years have passed.

Comparable to the work of the Queen.

But there was nowhere to go, and with the help of ekranoplanes, the Soviet command tried to compensate for the lack of normal ships.

But in the USA there were no such problems, they had enough ships. Therefore, an impacted ekranoplan, capable of quickly flying up to ... Here, but where was it supposed to fly up? To the carrier carrier group of the Soviet Navy? So they still had to be created, these groups. To our shores? Well, too so-so pleasure.

The only thing that was enough for American desires was a patrol ekranolet with missile and artillery weapons, a hangar with an anti-submarine helicopter (!), Bomb launchers ... In fact, it’s just a flying corvette of the near zone.

When the United States calculated how much such an ekranoplan would be in dollars, they realized that building several corvettes was both easier and more reliable for the same money.

Of course, such a flying patrol corvette could control a larger sector of the coastal waters of the United States than usual, but the price played a major role here.

And there was another project that could easily beat Lunya with its anti-ship missile system Moskit.

The famous company "McDonnell-Douglas" proposed a project not just an ekranoplan, but a carrier of ballistic missiles!

The Douglas decided to create a colossus that would even frighten the Moon in size. And as an weapon, besides all the little things there like anti-aircraft missile systems, four launchers of SLBM Trident would be placed in the hold of this monster.

The idea was tempting, but the adherents of the usual method of delivering missiles using a submarine still won.

And when the price was announced ... In general, it turned out a little expensive.

But nowadays, the idea does not fade away. Yes, in modern Russia, even if they say about ekranoplans, it’s so ... The plans for the day after tomorrow. Well, or when once again you need a reason to threaten. Say, we can, if we want. And then everyone will have a lid.

And in the States just recently returned to the topic. But not in terms of the percussion apparatus, but as a means of quickly delivering military contingents and equipment with equipment to anywhere in the world. The role of the “World Peacemaker” is as if obliging.

Considering how much time the US Army and Navy spend on logistics, dragging their soldiers around the world, it is not surprising that we would like everything to be more efficient than the same Desert Storm and Desert Fox.

And what would be interesting would be to load instead of a landing ship a battalion of marines with infantry fighting vehicles and tanks in the ekranoplan and after 12 hours of summer land somewhere in the Persian Gulf, for example ...

Boeing immediately flew in with its Pelican ULTRA (Ultra Large TRansport Aircraft) project.


The giant from the aerospace concern promised to transport 1200 tons of cargo to a range of 18 thousand kilometers. The project, of course, took into account the achievements of Douglas. The Pentagon seemed to support the idea, but ... the navy refused, on which a headache would be laid for the maintenance and maintenance of this huge. As a result, the project "did not play."

Plus, you should pay attention to the fact that far from any weather and not with any excitement you can use ekranoplans. It is not for nothing that we mainly saw them in the Caspian, in the Caspian, which is calm by world standards.


In the USA, it would be more difficult to use such machines, since the Atlantic and the Pacific are not our seas. Yes, in the Black, Caspian, Baltic seas, closed waters, it would be much easier and safer to use ekranoplanes than in the ocean, and even during the bad weather season.

So the Americans were able to ekranoplanes. It is a fact. Three things stopped them: the enormous cost, slurred use and, perhaps, the cancer that Lippis sentenced in 1976. It is likely that if a talented German lived longer, the result could be different.

In fact, the ekranoplane is perhaps an instrument of the future. Far, because today to build such machines, neither the United States nor Russia is simply not profitable on a budget.

In the Soviet Union, the idea was addressed because the country was not able to build such a fleet that could withstand the American one. And the very use of the same “Moon” with its “Mosquitoes” against the connection of ships looked so-so ... Like the Japanese kamikaze.

Yes, a fast and poorly visible for radar ekranoplan, of course, could approach the distance of launching anti-ship missiles. At 90-100 km. And even most likely, would launch rockets. Further, excuse me, only God knows if they would give him leave or not. Most likely not, and this colossus would have been simply shot by airplanes easily and naturally.

So ekranoplanes were in the USSR, because in that country they could build them and imagined how to use them favorably. In the United States, too, they could create something like this, but there was no certainty in the application.

Another question is that if tomorrow in the States they decide that they need such an apparatus, there is some certainty that they will build ekranoplans. As usual, regardless of financial losses.

Can we - this is the question ...
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  1. Aerodrome 2 March 2020 06: 28 New
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    for all the talent of Lippish, one cannot fail to note the ugliness of his "brainchildren", and not to notice the brutality and at the same time grace, beauty, and power of our "Moons".
    1. polar fox 2 March 2020 06: 45 New
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      on the other hand, Lippisch can be riveted and sold to everyone who wants on inexpensive mass-produced engines with low fuel consumption ... and small vehicles will always have their own niche of application.
      1. Aerodrome 2 March 2020 06: 47 New
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        Quote: polar fox
        on small vehicles there is always a niche of application.

        but we had drummers! hi
        1. polar fox 2 March 2020 06: 48 New
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          that’s the difference! except for the “drummers,” they could not do anything due to the lack of engines (rude of course, but more often this is so ((()
          1. Aerodrome 2 March 2020 06: 51 New
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            Quote: polar fox
            that’s the difference! except for the “drummers,” they could not do anything due to the lack of engines (rude of course, but more often this is so ((()

            everything could be done in the USSR. Well, or almost everything, a matter of priority. we were imprisoned for confrontation. for civilian needs, there was no place for an ekranoplan.
            1. tlauicol 2 March 2020 07: 09 New
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              most importantly, there was no place and application for shock EP - all these years and resources were wasted while people looked at empty shelves and dreamed about toilet paper. I'm with both hands FOR strengthening the defense of the state, but Looney it just drank dough
              1. Glory1974 2 March 2020 08: 40 New
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                Looney it just drank dough

                Looney is a science and advanced ideas and technologies.
                So you can say about anything that this drank dough. If the Lunar fleet had been built and it would have been idle at the joke, then you could agree with you. And so they built, tested, realized that it was unpromising and closed the project. So science and technology are developing.
                1. tlauicol 2 March 2020 09: 04 New
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                  Quote: glory1974
                  Looney it just drank dough

                  Looney is a science and advanced ideas and technologies.
                  built, tested, realized that it was unpromising and closed the project. So science and technology are developing.

                  contradict yourself in two sentences
                  1. Glory1974 2 March 2020 09: 12 New
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                    There is no contradiction. This is how any technique is developed. If you do not try to do something, then nothing will happen.
                    1. Whalebone 2 March 2020 17: 29 New
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                      Yes, a dozen models are being made, tested and a decision is made. But first, the task is formulated. Formulate it for Lun, po.
                      1. Glory1974 3 March 2020 08: 50 New
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                        But first, the task is formulated. Formulate it for Lun, po.

                        Once Tsiolkovsky formulated the task for his spaceships, how to "fly to Mars." And the king ordered the crews of submarines at the beginning of the 20th century to appoint a monetary allowance "as much as they themselves wish. Anyway, they’ll soon drown."
                        Your afterlife is funny.
                      2. Simargl 3 March 2020 20: 50 New
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                        Quote: Whalebone
                        Formulate it for Lun, po.
                        Approach the enemy at the launch distance of the anti-ship missiles using the terrain, launch, dump.
                        Strange, huh? These are the requirements for almost any weapon.

                        Quote: Whalebone
                        Yes, a dozen models are being made, tested and a decision is made.
                        Nonsense! The required number of models is made for testing, tests are being carried out, and only then ...

                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        On the floating dock to drag him to the Mediterranean?
                        For the Bosphorus and vice versa it is possible on its own: only 4 hours. Yes, and on the water keeps quite normal.

                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        What about the storm?
                        He will sit out in the bay.

                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        And he doesn’t see a nifig without an airplane.
                        And who of the surface sees? This is not a cannon fire (but even then they used a plane).

                      3. tlauicol 4 March 2020 04: 50 New
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                        WIG? Hiding behind the folds of the terrain? laughing wassat lol belay good fool
                        How will he pass the Bosphorus in a displacement mode, will he end the fuel in the middle of the sea? In ES mode? At a speed of 500, having a turning radius of 3 km?
                        You made my day! But don't write anymore
                      4. Simargl 4 March 2020 08: 17 New
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                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        WIG? Hiding behind the folds of the terrain?
                        Of course, I will reveal a terrible secret, but ... just don’t tell anyone - they will laugh !!! ...
                        Our Earth is a planet ... it is almost ball!
                        The range of direct visibility of an aircraft carrier when flying on the screen is up to 50 km. All that’s next is “beyond the fold of terrain” in the form of a part of a spherical object that is a planet (you can add excitement, which is the sea, not the psyche). Those. missiles will be guided from another target designator (Tu-95RC, for example). Maybe myself, but you need to "get out of the shadow."
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        How will he pass the Bosphorus in a displacement mode, will he end the fuel in the middle of the sea? In ES mode? At a speed of 500, having a turning radius of 3 km?
                        Let's go in order:
                        1 - no. What for? But you can.
                        2 - In combat mode - exactly so.
                        3 - How many tankers have a turning radius on an economic course? At least on a small ... and do not bathe much ... in civilian life ...
                        Continue to boast of ignorance.
                      5. tlauicol 4 March 2020 08: 22 New
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                        Folds of terrain = horizon?
                        How much speed does a tanker have in Bosporus Ave.
                        Well asked, do not write more
                      6. Simargl 4 March 2020 08: 27 New
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                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        Folds of terrain = horizon?
                        Yes. Here, such a "fold of terrain." As I understand it, you have a very indirect idea about the shape of the planet. So, for fun ... it, in places, even "convex" happens tongue

                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        How much speed does a tanker have in Bosporus Ave.
                        Who cares? We are about the radius, maneuverability and the ability to pass the Bosphorus on the "screen", sort of.

                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        Well asked, do not write more
                        Oh! But the hands itch.

                      7. tlauicol 4 March 2020 08: 35 New
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                        Quote: Simargl
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        Folds of terrain = horizon?
                        Yes.

                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        How much speed does a tanker have in Bosporus Ave.
                        Who cares? We are about the radius, maneuverability and the ability to pass the Bosphorus on the "screen", like


                        No comments
              2. Icelord April 13 2020 00: 22 New
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                Ekranoplan is such nonsense; no words, but drank the Ustins loot, I praise
              3. Simargl April 13 2020 04: 51 New
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                Quote: Icelord
                WIG is such a nonsense no words
                I repeat:
                Quote: Simargl
                at the moment, Lun is outdated: after they shoved anti-ship missiles into the Su-30, there was no point in it.
                At the time of its appearance - a completely normal solution.
        2. eaglet 2 March 2020 21: 57 New
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          You are wrong both ... because. "Lun" was transferred to Kaspiysk in the late 80s, they stupidly did not even have time to conduct military tests, as the Union collapsed, and then the rolled-up scheme cut funding and questions like: what the hell is it for? .. and the task was formulated very simply, destruction enemy ships, by the way, it was believed that this could be done no worse than the “Glory” (the current “Moscow”), although it cost several times less and the crew of 10 people, and not several hundred ...
          1. tlauicol 3 March 2020 04: 50 New
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            Well, how will he destroy enemy ships with such performance characteristics? On the floating dock to drag him to the Mediterranean? Under the protection of the whole Wed squadrons? What about the storm? And he doesn’t see a nifig without an airplane.
      2. Simargl 3 March 2020 20: 32 New
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        Quote: Tlauicol
        contradict yourself in two sentences
        Do you know how to think?
        Looney advanced science and technology forward: research was conducted on applications, materials, aerodynamics, etc. Another thing is whether they managed to apply and use.

        Have you held a floppy disk for a long time?
  2. Whalebone 2 March 2020 17: 28 New
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    Then they didn’t saw the loot in its current form, but played adult toys. With bonuses, orders, design bureaus and pumping resources. This is even worse. For the point is fashionable to find and take away, but the grandmas lowered into the pipe cannot be returned in any way.
    1. Glory1974 3 March 2020 08: 55 New
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      Then they didn’t saw the loot in its current form, but played adult toys. With bonuses, orders, design bureaus and pumping resources. This is even worse.

      I think that you can even bring the production of family pants underneath.
      And give an example when thousands of people worked for free, made a hitherto unknown miracle technique and modestly abandoned all their laurels.
      So, as you, argue the current liberals, who have one task: to protect and increase the loot. And who needs these cut pieces of paper? In a normal state, paper is converted to jobs, technology, manufacturing, etc.
      Give an example, how to do it?
  • Old Michael 2 March 2020 12: 49 New
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    we were "drummers"!

    Back in the 80s, Alekseevites had a project of a small ekranoplan for work in the tundra, EMNIP Kangaroo. And in the 90s they even made a few pieces for Gazprom.
  • boriz 2 March 2020 12: 29 New
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    So we already have small TC ekranoplanes.
  • boriz 2 March 2020 12: 52 New
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    About the difference in the heads - I agree. The Fritz went into real mass use with the Me 262.
    And Alekseev, in addition to ekranoplanes, also had hydrofoils. They went into mass production. I still remember with pleasure how in Meteor, in 1970, I cut across the Rybinsk Reservoir to my grandmother in the village. Buzz!
    And they went actively for export. They tried to repeat this abroad. South Koreans, someone else, I don’t remember. Nobody succeeded. The USSR ended - hydrofoils also ended. It’s good that they are reborn.
    And another moment. About the USA. How many brains have flowed over them over the past 100+ years! And all is not for the future. Where are your own brains? At least the descendants of talented immigrants who grew up in the United States. Everything rests on immigrants. They themselves are not capable of anything. To launch man into space, the Standartenfuhrer SS Werner von Braun was needed. For ekranoplanes - a designer from, again, Nazi Germany. The atomic bomb was created by the international kagal. Yes, everyone will give a lot of examples.
    1. tlauicol 2 March 2020 13: 00 New
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      In the USA, Japan, Italy, Switzerland, mass production of military-industrial complexes of civil and military (RCA, PLO, patrols) purposes was mass-produced. Compare debit with credit and spit
      1. boriz 2 March 2020 13: 05 New
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        I say, brains were not enough to do normally. Maybe it's in the calculation of the wing, maybe something else. They didn’t do it themselves, but bought from us. Some where sweat still go. Let's see how the regenerated go with us. We have enough rivers, my native country is wide ...
        1. tlauicol 2 March 2020 13: 25 New
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          Enough still. paid passenger Jetflings run in the seas around the world, take on board three times more passengers than ours.
          and they considered a military trifle a waste of money.
          our out riveted Storms Whirlwinds Hurricanes Antares Falcons and rotted.
          The capitalists know everything, and they will also teach us. They especially consider money and profit well, and our officials consider only expenses well

    2. Whalebone 2 March 2020 17: 35 New
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      I myself am from the Volga. All my childhood I rode on the Rockets and Meteors, in Gorky they went in all directions. Even to Kazan, even to Yaroslavl. Last time in 1994. An hour to Gorodets by the river - almost by car. But the profitability there is negative - the expense is large. Tickets for 2 thousand rubles per 60 km now no one needs, the bus costs 200.
    3. carstorm 11 9 March 2020 03: 17 New
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      and pretty well
    4. Icelord April 13 2020 07: 33 New
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      And for some reason, Nobel’s are mainly given them, and 98 percent of all US patents
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  • Amateur 2 March 2020 06: 53 New
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    work on the KM apparatus (“Ship-model", Not the" Caspian monster ")

    Not the Ship Model, but the Ship Model.
    Lippish’s products were “technology demonstrators,” and R.E. Alekseev’s products were piece combat weapons, and the A-90 Eaglet was released in a series of 5 pieces. and adopted by the Navy of the USSR in November 1979.
    1. eaglet 2 March 2020 21: 47 New
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      "Eaglet" is Pr.904, an airborne ekranoplan ... there were no A-any numbers ...
      1. Amateur 3 March 2020 06: 03 New
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        "Eaglet" is Pr.904, an airborne ekranoplan ... there were no A-any numbers ...

        http://www.airwar.ru/enc/sea/orlenok.html
        1. eaglet 3 March 2020 12: 06 New
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          On the instruction manual of this device, it was written Pr.904, as well as on the "Moon" - Pr.903 ... the designation went in a marine manner, because was issued at the marine plant for the fleet and was listed as a ship of rank 3 ... and fiction about A-I don’t know what number, let them remain on the conscience of those who invented it ... by the way, with the letter A - the projects of the Beriev "company" (Albatross was meant) , they had no relation to ekranoplanes ...
  • tlauicol 2 March 2020 06: 59 New
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    Interestingly, if Lun had miraculously ended up in Middle-earth, how would he have struck a strike without aviation and target designation?
    1. Aerodrome 2 March 2020 08: 24 New
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      Quote: Tlauicol
      Interestingly, if Lun had miraculously ended up in Middle-earth, how would he have struck a strike without aviation and target designation?

      at the time of the "lunya", there was still carrier-based aviation, which would also be there by a "miracle".
      1. tlauicol 2 March 2020 08: 59 New
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        Quote: Aerodrome
        Quote: Tlauicol
        Interestingly, if Lun had miraculously ended up in Middle-earth, how would he have struck a strike without aviation and target designation?

        at the time of the "lunya", there was still carrier-based aviation, which would also be there by a "miracle".

        will Lun be towed? And then, why the heck, if there is aviation, without which it is ZERO?
    2. qQQQ 2 March 2020 09: 03 New
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      Quote: Tlauicol
      Interestingly, if Lun had miraculously ended up in Middle-earth, how would he have struck a strike without aviation and target designation?

      Most likely in any way, the ekranoplane cannot fly when the sea swells, which is why they are in the Caspian. I think that this is the main reason why they have not received distribution, there are very big restrictions on use.
      1. Nemchinov Vl 2 March 2020 12: 21 New
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        Quote: qqqq
        Quote: Tlauicol
        Interestingly, if Lun had miraculously ended up in Middle-earth, how would he have struck a strike without aviation and target designation?

        Most likely nothing ekranoplan can not fly when the sea is rough, which is why they are in the Caspian. I think that this is the main reason why they have not received distribution, there are very big restrictions on use.


        Well ?! ... After all, - "... The eaglet could come off the surface screen and switch to airplane mode with an effective height of up to 2 thousand meters with a ceiling of 3 thousand meters ...", if it’s interesting from, - https: // ru. wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D1%80%D0%BB%D1%91%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BA_(%D1%8D%D0%BA%D1%80%D0% B0% D0% BD% D0% BE% D0% BF% D0% BB% D0% B0% D0% BD) ... Yes, and in other sources, I came across information that it’s exactly the same devices of Rostislav Alekseev ( for the most part), could go to airplane mode, with effective work at heights of 200-400 meters (!) ... So, I dare to assume that the main "factors AGAINST" could be either operating costs or the high cost in the manufacture / construction of the devices themselves (ekranoplanes) ... So what about "sea waves, forget for a while" ....

        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Very extraordinary article material. Everyone knew about our ekranoplanes, about foreign experts. Today, the author has expanded knowledge to the general public. Thanks.
        . I agree completely here. To komentu "plus" (to the author of komenta - respect). Personally, I haven’t heard about Lippish devices before, and I was interested. And their form, as it were in Odessa, "deserves to take a closer look" ?!

        Quote: Alt-Right
        Now, these monstrously gluttonous, in comparison with airplanes, underships would be considered weapons of the future.
        ... Well, that ?! The fact is that there is an opinion that in its operation, ekranoplanes may well prove to be much more economical than conventional aircraft (the truth is slower in the delivery of goods) ...?! So it’s quite possible that the main problem is "their high cost" connected it was with their construction, and not with their operating costs... I ask you to consider this as a point of view.

        Quote: Stas57
        Wing!
        Why were ekranoplanes only in the USSR?
        Because nafig nobody needed.
        ?! You have full confidence ?! ... I personally do not. Maybe you just "broke" ...?!

        Quote: Herrr
        Quote: Potter
        And on the march, they don’t give a damn about the excitement, by and large. Especially with the ability to go ashore and land on shore.
        Was it a flight of fancy?
        .. Rather, it is an objective reality (see the first paragraph of the commentary).

        Quote: qqqq
        Quote: Potter
        And seaworthiness was all right - with take-off / landing 5 points.

        It is always normal in the brochures, but during the operation it turns out somehow not very. It was the absence of unrest at sea that predetermined deployment in the Caspian.
        The idea that this is just a training ground that is maximally hidden (within the country at that time) from the possibility of extraneous (for counterintelligence) surveillance / interference / sabotage, including, what I understand, what do you reject completely ?! But in vain, as it seems to me ... There is something to think about (!) And the proximity of the design bureau Rostislav Alekseev (surrenders in Zelenodolsk) could matter or not ?!
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          The eaglet could come off the surface screen and go into airplane mode with an effective height of up to 2 thousand meters with a ceiling of 3 thousand

          I agree, could only how long could he fly in this mode? All the engines would be flown to the afterburner mode and for takeoff, for 10-15 minutes, and if you take into account the load, in general, it was not for nothing that no one began to bother with them.
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            I agree, could only how long could he fly in this mode? All engines for afterburning and take-off, 10-15 minutes would fly by and when you consider the download,
            Sorry, but what is this conclusion from ?!
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              Quote: Nemchinov Vl
              Quote: qqqq
              I agree, could only how long could he fly in this mode? All engines for afterburning and take-off, 10-15 minutes would fly by and when you consider the download,
              Sorry, but what is this conclusion from ?!

              because the screen will disappear, but all the flaws will remain: huge weight, huge airfield. resistance, wild fuel consumption, wretched air. quality, instability, etc. etc. I'm not talking about flight controls. The gap from the screen ended sadly. Like the "aerobatics" under the name "ekranoplan
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                Quote: Tlauicol
                Quote: Nemchinov Vl
                Quote: qqqq
                I agree, could only how long could he fly in this mode? All engines for afterburning and take-off, 10-15 minutes would fly by and when you consider the download,
                Sorry, but what is this conclusion from ?!

                because the screen will disappear, but all the flaws will remain: huge weight, huge airfield. resistance, wild fuel consumption, wretched air. quality, instability, etc. etc. I'm not talking about flight controls. The gap from the screen ended sadly. Like the "aerobatics" under the name "ekranoplan

                Short and very intelligible.
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                Sorry, but you write nonsense ... normally the "Eaglet" used to fly at altitudes of more than 100 m ... yes the flow rate almost doubled, but none of the "experts" said, but how much the flow rate is ... on the "Eaglet" screen flew on one marching engine NK-12, with a mass of up to 140 tons (somehow comparable with the Tu-95, though it has 4 engines), and the stories about the crazy price, too, are somewhat exaggerated, the last "Eaglet", if I remember correctly, cost 12 million rubles, comparable to it IL 76 was more expensive, but the ekranoplanes were not serial, each was riveted separately, why did everyone differ in the field those ... Regarding the Mediterranean Sea, I don’t know how to "Lun", and the Eagles were supposed to be used in the West 81 exercises, with their transfer to the Baltic on their own and the ekranoplanes air group was ready to do this ... but someone at the "top" changed his mind ....
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                  Blablabla, blabl ... there are facts? Facts are stubborn things!
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                    Facts of what exactly ??? what I wrote, saw or heard from the original source personally ... but to convince and prove to people "off topic" does not make sense ... it's like in my favorite children's film "The Elusive Avengers" - Br-Ryahn ...
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              From fuel consumption and engine life
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            I agree, could only how long could he fly in this mode?

            Just removed from the language :)))) hi
        2. tlauicol 2 March 2020 14: 50 New
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          it is a pity that at that time there were no cameras and movie cameras, some starballs telling about flying EPs and ekranolets negative
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            sorry at that time there were no cameras and movie cameras, alone
            ?! Are you absolutely sure that you wrote ?!
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              Quote: Nemchinov Vl
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              sorry at that time there were no cameras and movie cameras, alone
              ?! Are you absolutely sure that you wrote ?!

              and you ? then where is at least one shot of an eaglet flying at least at 100m? yes any EP?
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                and you ? then where is at least one shot of an eaglet flying at least at 100m? yes any EP?
                Well, then, since the question is, -
                Quote: Tlauicol
                where at least one shot of at least 100m ekranoplan
                concerns me personally, then of course you won. Congratulations !! I just can assume that such shots can be in the archives of the Moscow Region, after testing. In the USSR, anyhow tests were not carried out. You just said earlier that -
                Quote: Tlauicol
                sorry at that time there were no cameras and movie cameras,
                , but not about our opportunity of access to you, to this (information taken at the time, when testing information) ... Such a difference .
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                  ah, you can admit, based on the testimony of OBS and starballs? not much
                  ps heard about sarcasm?
                  1. Nemchinov Vl 2 March 2020 17: 35 New
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                    ah, you can admit .... heard about sarcasm?
                    Well, such an argument ....
                    try differently ?! there is an opinion that ekranoplans have their own advantages, for example: - High survivability, enough high speed, ekranoplanes higher efficiency and higher payload compared to airplanes (when using the screen effect), immunity to anti-ship mines, and all this was not invented by me, but from - (
                    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AD%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD ), при желании сможете и дальше прочитать. Да есть и ряд недостатков ! Никто и не спорит. Так устроена жизнь.

                    I fully admit that most of the problems it still applies to issues large-scale serial construction. After all, the fact that in no country in the world (even in the USSR) is further piece production of EPdidn’t come in ?! Even our most promising and demanded by the fleet frigate pr. 22350, today is “piece”, and already “expensive” by that ?! How to solve the problem of filling the fleet with "first ranks" when other projects "lagged behind" (or say so "not ready to go up the mountain")?! And this, while the motor resource of BOD 1155, is inexorably melting ?! Or maybe you need to reconsider the loading of shipbuilding plants / shipyards that are capable (well, at least in principle) of building first-class BNC ?! And already since 2020, to lay down 5-6 units of 22350.1 (for 24 UVP, I had in mind. Well, that is, as "Amelko"), in the current and next year. And if for enterprises, then: 1) “Amber” - can lay (at least one fr.22350.1), in addition to the 2 BDK 1171.1? Already under construction?!, 2) “Severnaya Verf” (plant named after Zhdanov) - lay 1 or even 2 (taking into account the fact that “Kasatonov” and “Thundering” will still be handed over to the fleet, and the “Golovko” will be launched)?!, 3) “Baltic Shipyard” - unless of course tenacity towards the construction of icebreakers ( at least temporarily subside), can mortgage from 1 to 3 units, during this and the next calendar year ?! 4) Kerch "Gulf", - getting rid of "Karakurt" (without a power plant, that is, towing them let's say to Pella, wait for the engines), can afford to lay at least one fr. 22350.1 this year, and one more in the next?!, 5) "Plant in Big Stone" (and which at modernization / reorganization / construction so many funds), and it will build tankers / lighter / gas carriers ?! Or starting this year will be able to lay at least one at 22350.1 ...?! As you can see, I have already counted / listed at least 5 enterprises !!!
                    In my opinion, such as the Zelenodolsk Plant, Theodosia Sea, and the Amur Shipyard, it is preferable to use for the construction of SCR / Corvettes with VI within the range of: 1700-2500 tons. (For the implementation of the anti-aircraft defense in the BMZ), let's say large-scale construction of “Cheetahs” of type 11664 (or even better, their mutations in the direction of “Thunder” pr.12441 in terms of increasing VI to 2900-34000 tons.) There is something like Oliver Perry
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                      there is an opinion that ekranoplanes have their own advantages, for example: - High survivability

                      How can survivability be high if, with an unexpected roll, the ekranoplane crashes into water?

                      Quote: Nemchinov Vl
                      ekranoplanes have high efficiency

                      How can there be high profitability in flights in a denser environment?
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                        How can survivability be high if, with an unexpected roll, the ekranoplane crashes into water?

                        Doesn't crash.
                        Quote: SVD68
                        How can there be high profitability in flights in a denser environment?
                        Everything is relative. When moving cargo at high speed - it is very economical ... compared to an airplane ...
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          And in other sources, I came across information that just the same, Rostislav Alekseev’s devices (for the most part) could go into airplane mode
          Before going to the screen and in airplane mode, all 8 engines work. Only 2 on the screen.
          Eaglet has a marching on the screen - the top one.
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          The idea that this is just a training ground that is maximally hidden (within the country at that time) from the possibility of extraneous (for counterintelligence) surveillance / intervention / sabotage, including, what I understand, what do you reject completely ?! But in vain, it seems to me ...

          Just the Caspian was discovered by Iran
  • Very extraordinary article material. Everyone knew about our ekranoplanes, about foreign experts. Today, the author has expanded knowledge to the general public. Thanks.
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      Very extraordinary article material. Everyone knew about our ekranoplanes, about foreign experts. Today, the author has expanded knowledge to the general public. Thanks.

      hi In the late 60s and early 70s, the Technika-Molodezh magazine often published articles and news about foreign ekranoplanes, as well as photo ekranoplanes Lippisch (from there, from TM, I then learned about this aircraft designer as a designer and ekranoplanes) in flight, everyone "knew" about them in the Union, who was interested in technology.
      Even in the book "The Young Sailor", in the 70s, a drawing of hypothetical American ekranoplanes of anti-submarine defense, such as a "flying wing", was printed!

      But there was nothing about Soviet ekranoplanes, especially military ones — all information about them was kept secret — only narrow specialists, designers and production workers knew about them, as well as military men who were admitted to this technique, well, and random eyewitnesses of the flights of these machines, which, it’s clear that they didn’t talk very much and didn’t write to the newspapers, as each newspaper had its own “secretary” who monitored the observance of “military secrets”!

      Even in the book from the series “The Life of Wonderful People”, published in the mid-80s, dedicated to outstanding Soviet engineers, Rostislav Alekseev was informed that he was involved in the construction of gliders and was the creator of the Soviet serial hydrofoil ships, but he didn’t talk about ekranoplanes it was said!
      And only with the beginning of "perestroika and glasnost", already at the end of the 80s-beginning of the 90s, the first photos and articles about Soviet military ekranoplanes appeared in the magazines "Inventor and Rationalizer", "Technique-Youth" and "Wings of the Motherland", in the newspaper "Komsomolskaya True"!

      When the corrupt Yeltsinoids, "for a fraction of a small", in the early 90s allowed American intelligence officers and designers to a secret base in Kaspiysk to conduct a detailed inspection and detailed photographing of all the constructive "subtleties and nuances (and there are many of them, even in the same design) and the redan regimes of the displacement hull when “going to the screen” and ensuring a successful landing on the water — all this was shown and explained to “our partners”) “as far as secret combat ekranoplanes (“ miraculously ”saving the American developer m hundreds of millions of dollars more of those!), then this is our "military secret" has ceased to be so!

      So, the Americans have not only their own "engineering backlogs", but also Soviet "know-how" for the successful design and production of combat ekranoplanes!
      1. I have the year of birth 1974)) So many of the publications you listed were not available to me. Remember, probably, how the same TM in the library was difficult to find. And I learned about Russian ekranoplanes from an extensive monograph of "air hobby", a magazine that later became "aviation and time." But it practically did not mention overseas developments)
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          hi Oh yeah yes , I forgot to write-in "Aerohobby (a very good, solid, flight magazine was, like its continuation" AiV " good ) "a detailed monograph was, with a drafting tab of an ekranoplan for modeling (then in the M-Hobby magazine of the 2000s I read an illustrated article about a home-made cardboard bench model made from these drawings).
          In the late 70s and early 80s it was difficult to subscribe to the Technika-Molodezhi magazine.
          In 1986, I had an oddity of indifference, handed out to my relatives and friends, for their children, my untouched “Little Models”, and all my “TM” files for the 70s and half of the 80s, as well as books with military memoirs (my dad bought them , and only then I was presented to me ....), starting from the 50s of the publication, I collected and carried it to the second-hand bookstore departments of bookstores .... for ridiculous pennies, literally! Then he regretted it very much! request
          If "TM" can be downloaded on the Web, then many of those books are not, alas!
          1. And for a whole year I wrote out a “small model”)) But only two aircraft (su12, and Fiat) were able to glue from 2 numbers, a tank (T72) and a destroyer. The rest was either complicated or not interesting. But my mother was happy - she didn’t get in touch with bad companies, sat at home, glued models and read related literature.
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              hi At first, Dad helped me deal with the drawings and translate them from Polish, and then he himself “crashed” - the “Crimea” supertanker glued it all in one day, it was so simple! The T-72, it was already in the 80s, did not finish it, as of the destroyer cruisers only the destroyer Garland completed completely and the battleship Rodney. Sailboats then did not like to do.
              But there was such a time, “PT-76”, “T-34” and “KV”, and made a bunch of military and passenger aircraft and gave them a lot (even to those who did not appreciate it, but could not refuse politeness request ), and many cool models went "to toys" for younger generations, including during exhibitions, was simply confronted with this fait accompli! smile
              Yes, “Small Model” is a piece of life that was given for a reason, and promoted boyish friendship, determined future technical hobbies .... playfully developed spatial thinking from childhood, the ability to “read blueprints”.
              Somehow, back in the Soviet Union, I got a job at a rather big factory, and when I interviewed the director, they surprised me with the question, can I read the drawings, in fact it turned out then that only the chief engineer and several designers and in the workshops, only the master, and even then not all ....
      2. Icelord April 13 2020 07: 42 New
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        And for some reason they don’t build
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          And for some reason they don’t build

          hi On the long waves of the ocean swell (not to mention the windy weather and the higher waves of such a far from "inland sea", such as the Caspian), I think that it will be possible only with the help of a stable small height "Eaglet" above the "screen" automation for shaving flight (like the Su-24) and it will not be a relatively smooth flight of the aircraft, but with an inharmonious, very frequent and small, ekranoplan wobble up and down, constant shaking, with alternating overloads - very tiring for the crew and passengers (d and even, carefully secured, the cargo in the hold-cargo compartment will have a destructive effect on the design of the device, not to mention the effects of resonance) ??!
          As a mechanical engineering designer, I also see the idea of ​​building an ekranoplan for the ocean zone as doubtful (except, for short distances, airborne operations, in island archipelagoes ???). IMHO.
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            And there, in my opinion, is simply expensive. So I completely agree
  • Alt-right 2 March 2020 07: 45 New
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    Now, these monstrously gluttonous, in comparison with airplanes, underships would be considered weapons of the future. Yes, and AWACS is no longer exotic (to the question of the "stealth" of this here).
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      these monstrously gluttonous, compared to airplanes, underships

      that's who would evaluate fuel efficiency for single-strike combat units. Moreover, usually “gluttony is estimated based on the range / combat radius of the aircraft. And with 2000 km of flight range, Lun looked very good
      Yes, and AWACS is no longer exotic (to the question of the "stealth" of this here).

      if we talk about just radar detection, then at the end of 2MB it ceased to be exotic. And if we are talking about long-range (over 1000km) radar detection, then ekranoplanes with their flight altitude of up to 5m against the underlying sea surface look much better than all modern stealth and tomahawks combined
      And if now the project (hypothetically) remained promising, then it would be possible to optimize engines and even more so the shape of the planes to reduce the overall EPR
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        And if we are talking about long-range (over 1000km) radar detection, then ekranoplanes with their flight altitude of up to 5m against the underlying sea surface look much better than all modern stealth and tomahawks combined

        Do you want to say that a target the size of an MRC flying at a height of 5 m is less noticeable than a pencil, Tomahawk or LRASM? belay
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      In fact, the ekranoplan's fuel consumption is lower, and at times, at cruising mode compared to airplanes.
      The aerodynamic quality of the winged wing (the ratio of the coefficient of lift to drag coefficient) goes to heaven because of the screen effect, with approximately the same aerodynamic quality of the fuselages (for the winged wing and the airplane).

      The ekranoplanes fleet can transfer several divisions to anywhere in the world in a day, instead of 2 weeks for conventional transport ships. Especially monsters of 500-1000 tons of carrying capacity.
      At the same time, neither high-quality 1st-class runways with a strip length of more than 2,5 km (as compared to heavy transport aircraft) nor sea ports with loading cranes (for dry cargo ships) are needed.
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        There are no "One-Hours" and not close. The network is full of comparisons of An-12 and Orlyonok. An eaglet on water can, but An - 12 does not need this. In everything else, the Eaglet loses outright. How many times the An-12 I can’t even imagine cheaper.
        Flip-top ekranoplos weighing 1000 tons when turning / touching the wave will be an epic spectacle.
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          There will not be, with the wing dimensions necessary for the flight of 1000 tons of ekranoplan, the height of the screen effect will allow flying even with a nine-point storm.
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          And to compare aircraft with different output volumes is so generally incorrect. So the old design with a large series can be optimized so that no new designed aircraft will even hypothetically have any advantages (for example, Cesna 172 1955 creation, which still remains the best small class aircraft).
          And in this case, it’s generally a mockery: to compare an experimental car (5 issued models) and one of the largest serial aircraft (more than 1200 pieces only in the USSR).
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          Flip-top ekranoplos weighing 1000 tons when turning / touching the wave will be an epic spectacle.

          If you are considering a breakdown, associated with piloting / control errors, then it turns out that the accident rate (for the same reasons) will be for you "epic", as you deigned to express yourself ?! Do I understand you correctly ?!
          By the way, there is an alternative view of survivability (accident rate, during test flights), -
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          Although you don’t write nonsense about what you don’t know .... The leg was actually found and buried - this is what remained of the flight mechanic, who at the moment of impact on the water ran TA-shki (he was not fastened and was smeared from the blow ) .. but an uncontrolled ekranoplan (due to the simultaneous failure of the main and reserve hydraulic systems) hit the water - left, hit 320 km / h again - left, 280 km / h hit - left, fell onto the right wing, hit the water and turned over .. . stayed afloat for 4 hours, which made it possible for 10 out of 11 on board to leave the car (all by the way alive, with fractures, bruises, but no one was even written off), and now tell me about at least one aircraft that would survive one such blow to the water ....


          Quote: Old26
          In fact, Alekseev’s cars were SCREEN, not SCREEN. The latter could rise to a great height, the ekranoplanes had a maximum rise several times larger than the screen. And this about 5 meters ...
          And this is not enough ?! If you translate into a ballroom (?!), even to me (not a professional) it seems pretty decent ?!

          Thank you, of course, for the discussion, - Vladimir (Stary26). !! Your arguments, and in correspondence with - Per se. (Sergey), and with my arguments, seemed to me the most interesting (and logical) in their argument. Of course, I don’t know too much, (not an expert), but I was interested - I thank you (and here I don’t jerk at all) !!
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      Gluttonous in comparison with what ???? I wrote above - on one NK-12 the Eaglet flies weight of 140 tons, and Tu-95 (! 80t) - flies on 4 NK-12 ... AWACS - not exotic, but modern Caliber and Zircons, these are not Mosquitoes ...
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        Gluttonous in comparison with what ???? I wrote above - on one NK-12 the Eaglet flies weight of 140 tons, and Tu-95 (! 80t) - flies on 4 NK-12 ... AWACS - not exotic, but modern Caliber and Zircons, these are not Mosquitoes ...

        only Tu flies 2-2.5 times faster and 9 times further above any surface. Even the ancient An12 gives Eaglet fuel efficiency (and range-speed too)
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          The Tu-160 flies 3 times faster than the Tu-95, IL-76 weighs two more than the An12 and flies further, so what? ... in terms of gluttony, just the planes may well concede an ekranoplan ..
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        but also modern calibers and zircons, these are not mosquitoes ...

        And somewhere in the world there are ships that can walk on the seas at a speed of 500 km / h?
        The aircraft carrier group can be removed from its detection location within 30-40 km in an hour in any direction (I consider it practically impossible to find out if the exposure was not detected), and this can be done with a Caliber flight time of up to 2 hours, i.e. by the time of the approach, the squadron can move beyond the limits of detection of a cruise missile radar.
        The ekranoplan during this time will cover a distance 10 times greater.
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          So if they are so cool, then why don't the Yankees build them? No money?
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            And why is it needed if the main goal in all coming wars is to bend another "stronghold of evil" among third world countries that have unsuccessfully deployed their territory near US military bases, while having dozens of old-class destroyers (well, if URO) twenty diesel submarines, mosquito forces, outdated aircraft and substantial ground forces?
            In such a situation, aircraft carriers are needed - floating airfields (sorties are cheaper than launching the Tomahawk) and a means of supporting naval landings.

            In the situation of the USSR, striving to have a strong fleet, which at the hour of H must inflict irreparable damage to the enemy fleet with all its arsenal, including nuclear, ekranoplanes turn out to be very interesting machines, which confirms the very fact of the creation of the KM.
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    Wing!

    Why were ekranoplanes only in the USSR?
    Because nafig nobody needed.
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    Thanks for the material on Lippish projects!
    As for the Eaglet in the landing version, it was assumed a large series of these devices, 120 pieces, and remained unrealized. Apparently, considerations of the military economy overpowered the attractiveness of the idea of ​​having high-speed spacious amphibious assault weapons.
    The picture of the sea landing using these ships would be futuristic - several dozen Orlenkov, each with 400 marines, cross the Baltic in an hour and land somewhere in Denmark, blocking the straits. In reality, it would turn out that these ships waited and would not wait for their “X” hour, and huge money would be spent on their creation and maintenance.
    Project 902 (Lun) in the landing version had a capacity of up to 900 people. And seaworthiness was all right - with take-off / landing 5 points. So Roman’s words about the calm Baltic or the Caspian are, firstly, not correct at the expense of their calmness — there are real storms there, and secondly, the ekranoplanes have decent seaworthiness. And on the march, they don’t give a damn about the excitement, by and large. Especially with the ability to go ashore and land on shore.
    By the way, in a distant youth, in the 1970s, I had to read a science fiction story about Soviet cargo transatlantic ekranoplanes. Now I do not remember the author, unfortunately. Is it interesting that the leak into the literature was authorized, or were the authorities simply not following the author’s flight of imagination?
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      And on the march, they don’t give a damn about the excitement, by and large. Especially with the ability to go ashore and land on shore.
      Was it a flight of fancy? smile
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      on paper you can write 12 points. yes a much larger KM at 3 points barely took off. And the Eaglets went to the beach cleared by a bulldozer
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        Well yes. There still need to be conducted geological exploration. After all, if a pebble on a cleared beach is in the sand. there will be a hole in the case
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      Quote: Potter
      And seaworthiness was all right - with take-off / landing 5 points.

      It is always normal in the brochures, but during the operation it turns out somehow not very. It was the absence of unrest at sea that predetermined deployment in the Caspian.
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    For Alekseev’s machines, pilots had to be retrained, and retrained for quite some time. And the creator himself was generally considered the best pilot of Soviet ekranoplanes.
    Very superficial nonsense! Alekseev is not a pilot at all and demanded that the pilots just forget all the flying skills! Just the crews on the ekranoplanes recruited from aviation because of the engines and the general "airplane" appearance. There was even an accident due to pilot reflexes.
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      “They simply recruited crews for ekranoplanes from aviation” - this is so, but they just never thought about people as always. What are the career growth prospects of an ekranopilot pilot?
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        Quote: Sergey Valov
        “They simply recruited crews for ekranoplanes from aviation” - this is so, but they just never thought about people as always. What are the career growth prospects of an ekranopilot pilot?


        Well, if he serves on such


        “That’s the crew commander, Major General, at least.”
  • EvilLion 2 March 2020 08: 39 New
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    Because under socialism it was also possible to cut budgets for all kinds of technically absurd nonsense. In K and sawed.
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    ... it is worth paying attention to the fact that far from any weather and not at any excitement you can use ekranoplans. It is not for nothing that we mainly saw them in the Caspian, in the Caspian, which is calm by world standards.
    Still how it is worth paying attention to it! smile
    The seaworthiness of the Caspian Monster (KM) was only 3 points on the Beaufort scale. This means that with a wave height of only 0,9 meters, he did not shine at all to rise above the water.
    And the car, after all, is beautiful.
    Causes respect and suppresses grandeur. smile
  • strannik1985 2 March 2020 09: 04 New
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    But there was nothing to neutralize.

    Maritime missile aircraft passed the author of the article?
  • Pavel57 2 March 2020 10: 03 New
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    So is an ekranoplan a ship or an airplane?
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      Definitely a seaplane.
      1. Pavel57 2 March 2020 13: 39 New
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        SVD68 (Victor), is not unique.
        The main thing is who does it and by what standards. And who certifies.
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          Does this mean that the difference between the ekranoplan and the seaplane is only in certification?
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            Quote: SVD68
            Does this mean that the difference between the ekranoplan and the seaplane is only in certification?


            Since this is a separate class of aircraft, then according to the standards of design and manufacture, and certification.
      2. Potter 2 March 2020 21: 12 New
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        A seaplane is an airplane. The ekranoplan is a ship moving above water due to the screen effect.
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          A seaplane is an airplane. The ekranoplan is a ship moving above water due to the screen effect.

          But is he unable to move over the ice field, over the tundra? Or maybe he has an operating mode of movement in displacement mode?
          Ekranoplan - a device heavier than air, designed for movement in the air due to the pressure difference above and below the wing. Those. typical airplane.
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      So is an ekranoplan a ship or an airplane?

      It is believed that the ship.
      Based on what is on-board equipment (or how is it right? what ) is included anchor.
  • behappy 2 March 2020 10: 11 New
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    It is impossible not to note the ugliness of his "brainchild

    Yes, it’s just ugly .. The apparatus and the reverse sweep look very cool somehow even naturally and in the subject (I mean aesthetically).
    Just the Union apparatuses look somewhat "monstrous."
    But this is a matter of taste.
  • Maks1995 2 March 2020 10: 53 New
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    In fact, the article shows and hints that no one needs these ekranoplanes.
    Americans inquired, and spat.

    We built probes, and spat too.

    You can admire as much as you like, but in total they are inferior to both airplanes and ships
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    and, in the Black, Caspian, Baltic seas, closed waters, it would be much easier and safer to use ekranoplanes than in the ocean, and even during the bad weather season.

    So the Americans were able to ekranoplanes. It is a fact. Three things stopped them: the enormous cost, slurred use and, perhaps, the cancer that Lippis sentenced in 1976.


    Author, oooo. What stopped it?
  • Zufei 2 March 2020 11: 07 New
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    It is surprising how they planned to launch anti-ship missiles or missiles from an ekranoplan. After all, the skin will burn completely.
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      And how do missiles launch from an airplane? Does it burn out?
      1. Zufei 3 March 2020 08: 02 New
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        Is there at least one aircraft with the launch of missiles OVER wing or hull? At a height, the rocket shoots softly down, where on the side the main engine is launched. According to the first photo, the engine starts immediately at full power. And the ekranoplan is fried by an accelerating rocket. And not SAM, but RCC or KR.
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        Your answer-question reminded the Georgian comedy of the Soviet period. There, the characters shot a friend from the tree, pulling the rope down. Noticing that earlier, using the same technology, they pulled another comrade from the well.
  • Fishery 2 March 2020 11: 08 New
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    but I really liked the Lippish models, futurism, and a wingless airplane in general is something from star wars)
  • Undecim 2 March 2020 11: 25 New
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    The difference in schools and constructions was significant. Alekseev made machines with a short and straight wing, Lippisch (naturally) with a triangular wing of reverse sweep.
    And Jörg made cars with a tandem wing in Germany.

    Aerodynamic schemes of ekranoplanes under construction.
    1. Undecim 2 March 2020 11: 28 New
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      Guenther Jörg six-seater serially produced WIG TAF VIII-2.
    2. Sergey Valov 2 March 2020 14: 33 New
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      “With a triangular wing of a reverse sweep” - sorry, where you saw a reverse sweep on a triangular wing. For reference, sweep is determined by the leading edge of the wing.
      1. Undecim 2 March 2020 15: 20 New
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        where did you see
        This is not me, sorry, I saw, this is the author, sorry, I saw. You, sorry, didn’t you see that this is a quote from an article? Or you, sorry, did not read the article?
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          "If that is not comme il faut, then sorry we ask" (C)
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          Sorry, didn’t notice
  • Per se. 2 March 2020 12: 03 New
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    Why were ekranoplanes only in the USSR?
    Probably, one can ask with the same success why only the USSR had the Lunokhod at the time. Not every country is capable of creating such a technique. In addition, depending on military doctrine, geographical and technical capabilities, "what is good for a Russian is death for a German" ...

    WIG, like ships, like planes, can be of different sizes and for different purposes. Therefore, let's determine the basic concept without demagoguery.

    1. Transport and landing, given their high mobility and amphibiousness. It was supposed to use landing ekranoplanes to capture bridgeheads, on which the further landing of troops was to be carried out from ordinary landing ships.
    2. Search and rescue, to save ships in distress in the ocean. In this case, due to its speed and range, ekranoplanes can come to a given area almost anywhere in the world ocean much faster than rescue ships. High seaworthiness and payload will allow them to rescue and provide the necessary assistance right on the high seas with more excitement than seaplanes can do.
    3. Shock, it was supposed to use ekranoplanes to combat aircraft carrier formations of a potential enemy. At the same time, their high speed, range, firepower, low visibility and the difficulty of hitting ekranoplanes by air defense systems were taken into account.
    4. Anti-submarine patrol, this is tracking and fighting enemy submarines, as well as intercepting ballistic missiles based on them in the accelerating section of the trajectory.

    In the 1988 exercises, it took the ships a day to get to the landing area, the hovercraft for 6 hours, and the Orlyonok type wing craft completed the task in 2 hours (in total, five Orlyonok type wing planes were built at the Volga shipyard ").

    After the collapse of the Soviet Union, not only the theme of ekranoplans died, there was no Buran, there was no BZHRK, they drank Sharks ...
    "If tomorrow suddenly in the States decide“they could have done it, though, back in 2002, Boeing had announced the development of a Pelican heavy military transport vehicle with a design mass of 800 tons - it didn’t work out. That's it.
    1. Angelo Provolone 2 March 2020 12: 43 New
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      Did not work out. Like this.

      Well, fools, because ... Stump is clear!
      1. Per se. 2 March 2020 13: 13 New
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        Well, fools, because ...
        Maybe fools, maybe, with their alternative capabilities, this is not relevant. You are interesting "skepticism guys", then Americans are "secular" minds, if the ekranoplans do not, then the fools that convertoplanes use, which we do not have. The main thing is that what we have, but they don’t have, must be destroyed, and what they have, but not ours, should not be repeated. Well done, glad for the people's penny, it’s a pity the State Department doesn’t pay you publicly for premiums, it doesn’t give you a grand for your work.

        The following is quite rightly noted about the visibility of convertiplanes for AUG Americans, but, in fairness, we must also admit that the strike component is not the only use of a convertiplane. In addition, it is not necessary to specifically "Caspian monster" resurrect for shock functions. In any case, RTOs have less chance of a successful attack.
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      1. Amphibianity did not work. Landing was a very risky business due to the ease of damage to the bottom.
      2. There are rescue seaplanes. Be-200ES, for example.
      3. The speed of the ekranoplan in low. Compared to the Tu-22M. Visibility with AWACS is high. Air-to-air missile damage is simple.
      4. What is worse Poseidon anti-submarine aircraft?
      1. Per se. 2 March 2020 13: 17 New
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        Why is an anti-submarine aircraft like Poseidon worse?
        And what “Eaglet" showed itself worse in the exercises in 1988?
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          Quote: Per se.
          Quote: SVD68
          Why is an anti-submarine aircraft like Poseidon worse?
          And what “Eaglet" showed itself worse in the exercises in 1988?

          and what did he show there? He moved one APC to 300 km, went out onto the sand cleared by a bulldozer and began to refuel with fuel on the way back? MUCH!
      2. eaglet 2 March 2020 22: 35 New
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        1, Land access without problems ... at Orlyonka, the bottom of the hull is 15 mm sheet steel 2) The Lun rescuer is a flying hospital with 150 beds and 500 people in bulk, but will the Be-200 take lope? 3) Speed ​​of 600 km / h, missile damage only when pointing from AWACS, (Tu-22 is even easier to shoot down), but modern Caliber or Zircon missiles can be launched without entering the zone 4) Poseidon is worse because the ekranoplan is a “flying ship” and the range of possible weapons and use cases is much higher ...
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          1, Land access without problems ... at the Eaglet bottom of the case sheet steel 15 mm

          Eaglet, which, in an unsuccessful manner, has its tail torn off. The Commission recognized the reason for the lack of structural strength - on the eve of this Eaglet sat on stones and microcracks arose.

          Quote: Eaglet
          2) Rescuer “Lun” - a flying hospital with 150 beds and 500 people in bulk, but will the Be-200 take lope?

          For 50 beds. Three serial Be-200 instead of one moon. And the question is, is there a need for more?

          Quote: Eaglet
          3) Speed ​​600 km / h, missile damage only when hovering from AWACS

          Any air-to-air missile will strike without any AWACS.

          Quote: Eaglet
          4) Poseidon is worse in that the ekranoplan "flying ship" and the range of possible weapons and use cases are much higher ..

          Sorry, but this is a set of empty words.
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            Any air-to-air missile will strike without any AWACS.[/ I]
            Sorry, but writing nonsense ... who will direct the rocket? apparently about the problem of target selection on the background of the earth you have not heard ...
            Eaglet, which, in an unsuccessful manner, has its tail torn off. The Commission recognized the reason for the lack of structural strength - on the eve of this Eaglet sat on stones and microcracks arose.
            That's it, that there were design flaws, i.e. guys otmazyvatsya ... how do you imagine Orlenka going ashore to damage the tail on the stones ...
            Eaglet, which, in an unsuccessful manner, has its tail torn off. The Commission recognized the reason for the lack of structural strength - on the eve of this Eaglet sat on stones and microcracks arose. [I]

            I don’t know where you got these distorted data from, current let me enlighten you ... The rescuer was created by order of the Moscow Region, after the disaster with Komsomolets, in your opinion they counted only on the floor of the team ???
  • Moon 2 March 2020 12: 27 New
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    need forced to look at all the asymmetric responses of the US Navy.
    WIG is one such suggestion.
    And they say about the Americans that they will try everything and then do it right anyway
    Americans always find the only right solution. After everyone else has tried. - Winston Churchill
  • Alexey RA 2 March 2020 12: 51 New
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    Yes, a fast and poorly visible for radar ekranoplan, of course, could approach the distance of launching anti-ship missiles. At 90-100 km. And even most likely, would launch rockets. Further, excuse me, only God knows if they would give him leave or not. Most likely not, and this colossus would have been simply shot by airplanes easily and naturally.

    Only one phrase is omitted in this sentence - it could go up to 90-100 km to the Soviet naval compound. Because, ironically, the ekranoplane was invisible just for our KUG, in which the range of target detection was limited by the radio horizon. The adversary had deck and base aviation, on the radar screens of which the ekranoplan with its dimensions comparable to the RTOs was clearly visible.
    Actually, the air defense of the ship’s adversary’s formations was preparing to reflect the attacks of much smaller and much faster Tupolev missile carriers and heavy air and sea-based anti-ship missiles.
  • Narak-zempo 2 March 2020 12: 59 New
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    The article confirms the obvious fact that the pindos could NOT create an ekranoplane. The whole topic was dragged by a German, and she ordered a long life with him laughing
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      Do we have only Russians doing everything? How can one be such an idiot that an American advantage should be presented as their lack ?! Stop watching State Department TV in general and zadornov in particular. Apparently it will be a revelation for you, but the American nation has always been built from the most active, quick-witted and decisive representatives of other peoples of the world, and now Native Americans are left only in the ghetto. On this they stand and the whole world has, and neither an Englishman, nor an Italian, nor even an Uzbek scientist will definitely go to the Russian cauldron. This is by the way the question of the confrontation between China and the United States: the Chinese can call for help from any specialist out of the country's 1.5 billion population, and Americans from any of the world's 7 billion people.
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        And we all have Russians. Whether you are a German Barclay de Tolly or a Sikorsky Pole, or an Italian Bartini, or a Landau Jew, or a cradle Lyulka, or a Georgian Dzhugashvili. If you did something useful for the country, it means Russian. And without any overseas "melting pots of nations" there
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        You will laugh ... the foundation of this nation is losers from all over the world ...
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        Quote: Exstremist
        ... On that they stand and the whole world has ...
        eco grabbed ?!
        Quote: Exstremist
        ... and neither the Englishman, nor the Italian, nor even the Uzbek scientist will definitely go to the Russian boiler.
        It seems Gerard Depardieu drove in (and took citizenship, for the sake of softer taxes), although of course not Uzbek (with a small letter) ...
        Quote: Exstremist
        ... about the confrontation between China and the United States: the Chinese can call for help from any specialist out of 1.5 billion of the country's population, and Americans from any of the 7 billion of the world's population.
        What the hell ?! The Chinese are able to provide an equally highly paid position, the specialist they need, regardless of nationality or place of his birth. Do not bend, please. There is parity in opportunity.
    2. Alexey RA 2 March 2020 17: 36 New
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      Quote: Narak-zempo
      The article confirms the obvious fact that the pindos could NOT create an ekranoplane. The whole topic was dragged by a German, and she ordered a long life with him

      For the United States, this is the norm. They also had the SS Sturmbannfuhrer Werner Magnus Maximilian Freicherr von Braun, with whom JFK himself pledged. smile
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      Yeah, that they couldn’t do it, the devil knows when they could, the Americans after many years of experimentation, and there is no developed concept
  • Ovrag 2 March 2020 13: 02 New
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    The answer is obvious. Like with the elusive Joe.
    With the development of the range and accuracy and efficiency of cruise missiles, they have become simple - not needed.
    Expensive, highly specialized equipment. Which can be used only in relatively small water areas, and even has significant restrictions on all-weather.
    Isn’t it easier to rivet with this money even cruise missiles?
    Actually, in the end, the Union did so. Rockets fly in any weather, in any excitement, and more than cover the range of ekranoplanes.
  • Dmitry Grinyuk 2 March 2020 13: 13 New
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    Novel!
    You write a lot and, most importantly, quickly write on a variety of topics. But you never forget to sign your works.
    But you do not consider it necessary to indicate the sources and surnames of the authors of the photos you poked in the internet.
    But in vain! It’s time for you to familiarize yourself with the contents of Chapter IV of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation and realize your profound wrongness in matters of copyright protection.
    Take this comment as a hint of pre-trial claim.
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    Well, I don’t know, compare our cars and them, definitely, ours are infinitely better. Judging by the remaining photos, their screens are nothing more than crafts of a pioneer circle that look like well or how models for working out some future elements are not known when the cars, and ours are already flying and could be in series.
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    WIG layout is good for percussion instruments. A cruise missile going on the screen will be almost invisible to the radar.
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      perhaps this is the most real application of the screen effect (for RCC) to date
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        More search and rescue. Faster than a helicopter, but with strong excitement it will not be able to land. A spinner is more universal, albeit slower. But you can have a pair on an aircraft carrier for long-distance rescue operations. Dreams Dreams.
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          Search and rescue - definitely not, the seaplane completely covers this niche.
          In principle, the ekranoplan may have a future, but only as a small vessel, with the possibility of separation from the water, although it will be difficult to make it sufficiently “seaworthy” along the mover and wings
  • tlauicol 2 March 2020 13: 59 New
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    The eaglet could come off the surface screen and go into airplane mode with an effective height of up to 2 thousand meters with a ceiling of 3 thousand meters
    Rostislav Alekseev’s devices (for the most part) could go to airplane mode, with effective work at heights of 200-400 meters (!) ...
    And on the march, they don’t give a damn about the excitement, by and large. Especially with the ability to go ashore and land on shore.

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    Not tired of you about ekranoplans?
    Yet it was already chewed

    Safest flight

    “They found only one leg in the water, with a boot in camouflage. So they buried it, ”eyewitnesses recall of the crash of the Orlyonok ekranoplan in the Caspian Sea in 1992. During the 2 turn, when driving on the “screen” at the height of the 4 meter and the speed of 370 km / h, “pecks” occurred, longitudinal oscillations began with changes in height. In the process of hitting the water, the wig crashed. The surviving crew members evacuated civilian cargo ship.



    Similarly, the Caspian Monster ended his career, smashing to pieces in 1980 year.

    The Caspian Monster repeated the fate of its predecessor, the SM-5 WIG (a copy of the 100-meter CM at the scale of 1: 4), who died in the 1964 year. “He swung sharply and lifted. The pilots turned on the afterburner to climb, the device broke away from the screen and lost stability, the crew died. ”

    Another “Eaglet” was lost in 1972. The whole feed with the keel, horizontal tail and cruise engine NK-12MK fell off from a blow to the water. However, the pilots were not taken aback, and, increasing the speed of the nasal take-off and landing engines, they did not let the ecologo fly into the water and brought the car to the shore.

    The described case is issued as a sample of high survivability and safety of WIG. But the question can be formulated differently: show the ship or aircraft, which is able to tear off the stern with one awkward movement of the steering wheel.

    https://topwar.ru/90960-bespoleznost-ekranoplanov.html
    1. eaglet 2 March 2020 22: 58 New
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      Although you don’t write nonsense about what you don’t know .... The leg was actually found and buried - this is what remained of the flight mechanic, who at the moment of impact on the water ran TA-shki (he was not fastened and was smeared from the blow ) .. but an uncontrolled ekranoplan (due to the simultaneous failure of the main and reserve hydraulic systems) hit the water - left, hit 320 km / h again - left, 280 km / h hit - left, fell onto the right wing, hit the water and turned over .. . stayed afloat for 4 hours, which made it possible for 10 out of 11 on board to leave the car (all by the way alive, with fractures, bruises, but no one was even written off), and now tell me about at least one aircraft that would survive one such blow to the water ....
      KM died purely on the "human factor" - on takeoff, the pitch was torn apart - stall, no screen and afterburner will not help .....
      An eaglet whose tail fell off is a design flaw - subsequently corrected ..
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    But nowadays, the idea does not fade away.

    WSH-50 South Korean 500-seat passenger wing craft co-developed by Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) and Wing Ship Technology Corp
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      Singapore WIG Airfish-8 Wigetworks. Used as a VIP passenger transport between mainland China and Singapore.
      1. SVD68 2 March 2020 16: 12 New
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        Well, yes, ekranoplanes are attractive for tourists. For tourists - exotic plus speed, for carriers higher ticket prices for exotic and speed. Just like hydrofoils.
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          Just like hydrofoils.

          And what is wrong with ships on a PC? Where they work (worked), they themselves are used by locals as a regular vehicle.
          From what I personally participated in:
          - Meteors were quite used by Leningraders to travel to Peterhof (one way, not just a ride).
          - In the same way, the Comet carries Crimeans from Sevastopol to Yalta. I personally rode a tourist, but most of the tickets for our flight were one way. They drive themselves with trunks and bales, as in a commuter train. The occupancy rate of flights is 99%. And the figure is also not from the reports, I personally saw it.
          So in vain are you talking about tourists.
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            And what is wrong with ships on a PC?

            With them, everything is so - they are used correctly.
            He rode to Peterhof himself. They go there, including Leningraders, to relax. Taking a round-trip ticket means tying your vacation to a specific hour. It’s more convenient to buy a ticket back on the spot. And even better there by train, then stroll through the pleasant Alexandria Park, go past the imperial stables and go to the entrance at the easternmost part. But back here on the meteor.
            What the situation in Crimea is connected I do not know for sure. I suppose with the lack of normal public transport on the South Coast.
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        between Indochina and Singapore, soon. through the strait. Who will risk sending it to the open sea?
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      Disadvantages of the HW-20 circuit (WHS-500 type circuit)

      1. The device is oversized in size for its take-off weight (10,0 t), thin skin, fragile design, the result is a small glider life, and limited operation.

      2. The specific wing load is 2,5-3 times less than that of the same apparatus according to the scheme of projects of the type KM, Orlyonok, Lun (pr. 903). The consequence is a slow-moving apparatus, since the resistance of the wing areas (141 m2) in speed increases sharply, and there is an increased “chatter” in flight with gusts of wind (safety).

      3. Skegovaya air cushion (VP), as an option SPU, provides neither amphibiousness nor seaworthiness. It can only be operated in quiet water, 1-2 points. At the start, the skegs and the fence do not completely leave the water, due to which, with increasing speed, the hydroresistance of the skegs from the washouts of the waves and the impulse resistance of the VP sharply increase, and the piston effect is added when passing through the wave profile. To reduce the rate of separation from water, it was necessary to increase the wing area by more than 2 times (up to 141 m2 instead of 50-70 m2). A complex system of organization and fencing of airspace, and, when landing airspace is generally not needed.

      4. The problem of basing has not been solved; a rational amphibious chassis is not visible.
  • akunin 2 March 2020 16: 55 New
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    For a long time in the "youth technique" there was a series of articles about ekranoplans, there was also information about the fact that besides ours and amers, the Japanese are seriously engaged in this topic.
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    An old song about the main thing. Beautiful, impressive, stupid. It has already been said about ekranoplanes more than once. The plane rolls on a roll, ekranoplana is mortally dangerous. Excitement doesn’t interfere with the aircraft, yes - ekranoplan. The plane landed at the airport, and there is all the infrastructure. WIG needs to build a naval base. Beautiful, of course, especially Eaglet. but a dead end. And not technological, but fundamental.
    Thanks to the author, the article is informative, without political tantrums.
    1. Tuzik 4 March 2020 02: 26 New
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      And if we assume a young island state that has no ships and planes, would it be beneficial for him to build thoughtful ekranoplanes instead of building ships and planes?
    2. Quote: Whalebone
      A plane rolls, ekranoplana is deadly


      The ekranoplan needs to grab onto the water, then it will turn briskly like a skier.
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    Plus, you should pay attention to the fact that far from any weather and not with any excitement you can use ekranoplans. It is not for nothing that we mainly saw them in the Caspian, in the Caspian, which is calm by world standards.

    Its not basically seen in the Caspian, and only in the Caspian.

    Yes, a fast and poorly visible for radar ekranoplan, of course, could approach the distance of launching anti-ship missiles. At 90-100 km. And even most likely, would launch rockets. Further, excuse me, only God knows if they would give him leave or not. Most likely not, and this colossus would have been simply shot by airplanes easily and naturally.

    It could have been less noticeable for radars for the mid-60s, but as soon as the radars of AWACS aircraft began to be able to distinguish targets against the underlying surface, a large and bold cross was put on these ekranoplans. Given the patrol of AWACS aircraft at a distance of 350-400 km from the AUG, and given the fact that AWACS could see such targets at a distance of 350-400 km, it was hoped that it would be able to fire at AUG with a missile with a firing range 100 km would be stupid.
    And the air defense systems on them were not a priori. It is impossible to consider 23-mm air guns as a means of air defense of the EMNIP twin ...

    Quote: boriz
    And Alekseev, in addition to ekranoplanes, also had hydrofoils. They went into mass production. I still remember with pleasure how in Meteor, in 1970, I cut across the Rybinsk Reservoir to my grandmother in the village. Buzz!
    And they went actively for export. They tried to repeat it abroad. South Koreans, someone else, I don’t remember. Nobody succeeded. The USSR ended - hydrofoil ships also ended. It’s good that they are reborn.
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    Happened. And operated not only in the South Caucasus, but also in Switzerland, Italy.

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    I say, brains were not enough to do normally. Maybe it's in the calculation of the wing, maybe something else. They didn’t do it themselves, but bought from us. Some where sweat still go. Let's see how the regenerated go with us. We have enough rivers, my native country is wide ...

    They did it themselves. The most famous company that engaged in the production of the SEC was the company "Supromar". And EMNIP and now they are operated in the west in some places. But their peak of popularity has already passed. And now we have much less such SECs than there were in the Union.

    Quote: Nemchinov Vl
    Well ?! ... After all, - "... The eaglet could come off the surface screen and go into airplane mode with an effective height of up to 2 thousand meters with a ceiling of 3 thousand meters ...",

    Actually, Alekseev’s cars were SCROLLSAnd not SCREEN FLIGHTS. The latter could rise to a great height, the ekranoplanes had a maximum rise several times larger than the screen. And this is about 5 meters ...

    Quote: Nemchinov Vl
    .... Well, that ?! The fact is that there is an opinion that in its operation, ekranoplanes may well be much more economical than ordinary airplanes (though they are slower in cargo delivery) ...?! So, it is quite possible that the main problem of "their high cost" is connected precisely with their construction, and not with their operating costs ... I ask you to consider this as a point of view.

    more economical than the aircraft in operation, the ekranoplan could not be a priori.
    Let's watch. Take-off at the "Eaglet" -140 tons. 20 tons of load and 20 tons of fuel. The maximum range is 1500 km.
    Now we take the same AN-12. His take-off is 61 tons. With a maximum load of 21 tons, it has 13 tons of fuel on board. At the same time, the cargo can be thrown at a distance of 3600 km, that is, at a distance more than 2 times that of the Eaglet. At the same time, cruising at ANA is 570 km versus 350 at Orlyonok. I’m not saying that AN can land on unpaved strips, and Eaglet has the ability to take off and land within very limited wave limits

    Quote: Nemchinov Vl
    ! Do you have full confidence ?! ... I personally do not. Maybe you just "broke" ...? !!

    Well, to some extent, Stas57 is right. What we did turned out to be unclaimed due to the complexity of operation and uneconomical. Small ekranoplanes can find their niche, but not such "monsters". Result - "Lun is now rusting on the factory split. Of the five built" eagles, "only one exists and is used either as an attraction, or as a monument

    It should be noted that landing on an equipped shore is desirable. It is desirable that the descent to the water be concreted. When landing on an un-equipped shore, there is every chance that he will remain there (especially if it is a sandy shore)

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    Quote: Potter
    And seaworthiness was all right - with take-off / landing 5 points.

    It is always normal in the brochures, but during the operation it turns out somehow not very. It was the absence of unrest at sea that predetermined deployment in the Caspian.
    The idea that this is just a training ground that is maximally hidden (within the country at that time) from the possibility of extraneous (for counterintelligence) surveillance / interference / sabotage, including, what I understand, what do you reject completely ?! But in vain, as it seems to me ... There is something to think about (!) And the proximity of the design bureau Rostislav Alekseev (surrenders in Zelenodolsk) could matter or not ?!

    Do not forget that at that time Iran was an ally of the United States. And all such developments would be recorded from its territory. In addition, the first images were satellite, so they had information

    Quote: pishchak
    If "TM" can be downloaded on the Web, then many of those books are not, alas!

    Quote: Nemchinov Vl
    ! Do you have full confidence ?! ... I personally do not. Maybe you just "broke" ...?!

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    Quote: Potter
    And on the march, they don’t give a damn about the excitement, by and large. Especially with the ability to go ashore and land on shore.
    Was it a flight of fancy?
    .. Rather, it is an objective reality (see the first paragraph of the commentary).

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    Quote: Potter
    And seaworthiness was all right - with take-off / landing 5 points.

    It is always normal in the brochures, but during the operation it turns out somehow not very. It was the absence of unrest at sea that predetermined deployment in the Caspian.
    The idea that this is just a training ground that is maximally hidden (within the country at that time) from the possibility of extraneous (for counterintelligence) surveillance / interference / sabotage, including, what I understand, what do you reject completely ?! But in vain, as it seems to me ... There is something to think about (!) And the proximity of the design bureau Rostislav Alekseev (surrenders in Zelenodolsk) could matter or not ?!

    Many books can also be downloaded. The main thing is to know the name and preferably the author.
    Now I want to download a binder of the magazine "Twinkle". True binder is very "heavy." almost 230 gigabytes. There is a place, and the Internet is unlimited. The truth will take a lot of time ...
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    Quote: Per se.
    WIG, like ships, like planes, can be of different sizes and for different purposes. Therefore, let's determine the basic concept without demagoguery.

    Let's

    Quote: Per se.
    1. Transport and landing, given their high mobility and amphibiousness. It was supposed to use landing ekranoplanes to capture bridgeheads, on which the further landing of troops was to be carried out from ordinary landing ships.

    At the concept level, there can be no objection. But about the implementation of this concept - there are a lot of questions.
    Mobility compared to displacement landing craft is much higher. This is a definite plus. about amphibianity. If a conventional recreation center is capable of unloading an amphibious assault using an amphibious technique, then there are very big doubts that the ekranoplanes will have higher amphibiousness. The downsides of the airborne ekranoplanes are a short range compared to conventional DK, less than the DK seaworthiness ...

    Quote: Per se.
    2. Search and rescue, to save ships in distress in the ocean. In this case, due to its speed and range, ekranoplanes can come to a given area almost anywhere in the world ocean much faster than rescue ships. High seaworthiness and payload will allow them to rescue and provide the necessary assistance right on the high seas with more excitement than seaplanes can do.

    Yes, plus the fact that the ekranoplan will get a ship in distress faster than rescue ships. But here a lot of questions appear.
    1. In the vast majority of emergency situations do not occur when calm. And here is the question for seagoing ekranoplan. He gets to the ship in distress, but then the question arises. Suppose he splashed down. If the crew left the ship in distress, then it will not be easy to assemble liferafts in the storming sea. if they have not left, then the lifeguard will not be able to come close to the board. The wings will interfere. And most importantly. Even if he picked up people, he could not take off in such weather. And this is not a rescue ship. There is no hospital or medical center on the ekranoplan. And the time. especially in winter - this is a critical resource. Remember the crew of the Komsomolets ...
    As for seaworthiness and high carrying capacity - sorry, the ekranoplan has none compared to a displacement ship ...

    Quote: Per se.
    3. Shock, it was supposed to use ekranoplanes to combat aircraft carrier formations of a potential enemy. At the same time, their high speed, range, firepower, low visibility and the difficulty of hitting ekranoplanes by air defense systems were taken into account.

    The Lun has a range of 2000 km. Accordingly, the combat radius will be in the region of 1000 km. Given that the AUG has AWACS aircraft, whose radars can detect targets against the background of the underlying surface. With the condition of this, the chances of such an ekranoplan to attack AUG are zero. And there is absolutely no need to defeat the ekranoplan by means of air defense. You can of course use air defense systems as well, but at long range it is easier to use an aircraft with air-to-surface missiles. It is very difficult to miss a target such as an ekranoplan missile carrier. And damage to the same wing will lead to fatal consequences for the ekranoplan

    Quote: Per se.
    4. Anti-submarine patrol, this is tracking and fighting enemy submarines, as well as intercepting ballistic missiles based on them in the accelerating section of the trajectory.

    Use it as a patrol? Can. That's just what he will hit offending ships if necessary. To track the submarines you will need a lowered GAS. To lower it at a speed of 450-500 km / h - I’m not sure that at the same time GAS will remain intact after contact with water at that speed.
    The interception of ballistic missiles based on such boats is generally beyond reason. Firstly, there is nothing; secondly, he will not be able to get to the patrol zone of American or British / French SSBNs. Trite is not enough range, and options to refuel them in the ocean ...

    Quote: Per se.
    In the 1988 exercises, it took the ships a day to get to the landing area, the hovercraft for 6 hours, and the Orlyonok type ekranoplanes completed the task in 2 hours (in total, five Orlyonok type ekranoplanes were built »)

    Yes, if the weather was normal

    Quote: Per se.
    After the collapse of the Soviet Union, not only the topic of ekranoplanes perished, there was no Buran, no BZHRK, they drank Sharks ....

    Well, the reasons are different. WIG - Unclaimed. because they simply didn’t have a niche. Such an undersized aircraft. "Buran" - the ship was - there were no loads for it. BZHRK - warranty periods have ended. “Sharks” - sorry, a monster that we had to do because we couldn’t make a normal size and weight rocket
    1. fk7777777 2 March 2020 20: 19 New
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      The hunt for submarines, speed, maneuver, the stealth of attacking, and so on, simply no one has dealt with this topic closely ...
    2. fk7777777 2 March 2020 20: 22 New
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      Gus, you can throw off a helicopter, a ship, a set of actions, and not run with a saber for submarines to run along the bottom of the sea.
    3. Per se. 3 March 2020 06: 29 New
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      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Per se.
      WIG, like ships, like planes, can be of different sizes and for different purposes. Therefore, let's determine the basic concept without demagoguery.

      Let's
      What can I tell you here, Vladimir ... You laid out my comment “on the shelves”, you can say, you unleashed a “broom”, broke everything in pieces. This is convenient, many do it, and sometimes frankly distorting it when pulling words and phrases out of context. This does not apply to you, but I will say this, you are comparing the already completed equipment, the proven technologies for its use, and essentially an experimental, fundamentally new one. Moreover, you contrast everything categorically, or-or, although the ekranoplans are not an alternative, but an addition. This time.

      The second (“Buran”, BZHRK, “Shark”), here you can still recall much more that was in development (the same “Spiral”), but ... You summed it up here too, for Buran you see no loads It was. I can argue, there were and will be, as for space, it is always relevant for the withdrawal of goods, especially since the ship was MULTIPLE, it could also remove satellites from orbit. As for Energia, similarly, carrying capacity is in demand, especially when starting blocks for orbital stations, for launching vehicles to the Moon or Mars. The loss of unique technologies with the same thermal protection, generally in the Energy-Buran complex, is stupidity and betrayal.

      BZHRK, warranty periods ... But who overdue them and why? Finally, what kind of missile systems do we have “perpetual”, maybe, in general, everything needs to be brought to a handle here, and disarm completely?

      "Shark" or project 941, with the R-39 missile. Your "sorry, the monster"... I don’t know, Vladimir, how" old "you are, but they will" pick "more youngsters," children of capitalism ", this is their vocabulary, their slang. To all that, the cliche about the monster that" did not fit into the sea " from the modern defamation of Soviet weapons, Soviet achievements. “Shark” is an Arctic boat, the project originally assumed its patrolling under the ice of the Arctic. It has many innovations and achievements, and thanks to its mass and design of the cabin, the boat could break through almost any ice when it emerged, which is problematic for other boats.

      If the missile capable of breaking ice were brought to a test at launch, the boat could not go out into the clear water to launch missiles from an underwater position, or not emerge, to start, being under the polar cap. The polar cap was an additional defense, eliminating the opposition of enemy surface ships and aircraft, and the natural cracking of ice masked the boat from being detected by hunter submarines. In addition, the boat could stand under the ice just at anchor, the high comfort of the crew allowed this up to two months. In addition, the boat itself was one of our most quiet boats, thanks to many innovations to reduce noise.

      There is a separate topic about R-39, where the arsenals of the three destroyed boats went, under a criminal agreement with the Yankees, where did the missiles from the storage bases from the reserve go, why only one of the six boats remained. And, why the Americans insisted on the destruction-reduction of these very boats.

      Thank you for your attention, but personally, your arguments did not convince me of the “right choice”, both in terms of development, improvement of ekranoplanes, and in ruined projects of our other weapons, in which we had advantages, had a separation in development from the “partners”.
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        Quote: Per se.
        BZHRK, warranty periods ... But who overdue them and why?

        Everything is simple with the BZHRK - the part of the Pavlograd plant that produced fuel for ICBMs, remaining in independent Ukraine, died. Old fuel is "rotten" - but there is no new one.
        For the same reason, SLBMs on the Sharks also died.
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          Quote: Alexey RA
          For the same reason, SLBMs on the Sharks also died.
          Thank you Alexey for the explanation, but these are all reasons, not opportunities. We still have R-36M on combat duty, we would like, would have found opportunities and with fuel, if it was throttled in any way "stuffed" into the missiles. Although it’s not even about missiles, under the agreement with the Yankees they cut three Sharks, of the remaining three boats they lose two more, now only one remains. Let the R-39 suddenly disappear, but the missile shafts would remain, and if they were small, under which the missiles that were not in service would be included, the same Sineva, but, no, the shafts would be large on the contrary, which allowed for insertion. The Americans wanted to save Ohio type boats, upgraded them under the BGM-109 Tomahawk.
          I really appreciate your opinion, however, the actions of our authorities do not seem reasonable.
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            Quote: Per se.
            We still have R-36M on combat duty, they would like, they would have found opportunities with fuel, if it was throttled in any way "stuffed" into the missiles.

            R-36M - liquid, with UDMH the Russian Federation has no problems. smile
            And how they “found opportunities with fuel” - see the story of “Bark”. The R-39UTTH just tried, among other things, to switch to domestic solid fuel. In general, a new rocket will have to be made under the new fuel.
            Pavlograd in terms of solid fuel for heavy ICBMs / SLBMs was a monopolist.
            Quote: Per se.
            Let the R-39 suddenly disappear, but the missile shafts would remain, and if they were small, under which the missiles that were not in service would be included, the same Sineva, but, no, the shafts would be large on the contrary, which allowed for insertion.

            "Sharks" sucks since the early 2000s. There will not have to do the insert, but overhaul. Where will we get money and factory facilities?
            I’ll tell you where. From the fleet’s budget, either to Borei or to Ash. And power from there. That is, pr.941 in the version of the carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic, we can only get instead of new submarines.
            What will we sacrifice? "Borey"? So BDRMs are not eternal - they are already 30-35 years old (and the Pacific Fleet BDRs are even more). "Ashes"? And who will accompany the PLARK then?
            1. Per se. 4 March 2020 11: 41 New
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              Quote: Alexey RA
              R-36M - liquid
              Yes, the R-36M is liquid, they are still extending their life, although solid-fuel rockets are distinguished by the possibility of longer storage, despite the fact that the R-39 is more “young”. What is there "rotten" in a relatively short time, against the same American missiles that are on earlier boats? Where did the arsenals from at least the three remaining “Sharks” go? What was the commission for the inspection of boats, how many competent specialists were there in general before issuing verdicts?

              What to sacrifice? If, almost according to Kartsev’s, today they’re three but small, and those yesterday, five, but big ... For me, it’s better to have one Shark ready for battle now than tomorrow, maybe in 10 years two or three Boreas. Finally, why is it forever or-or, normally, when first they finish building a new house, and then they break the old one, and not vice versa. The fact that I'm sorry, the boats were pissed off, which, by and large, the Soviet Union itself, does not characterize in the best way. And you can always make excuses with something and somehow.
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                Quote: Per se.
                Yes, the R-36M is liquid, they are still extending their life, although solid-fuel rockets are distinguished by the possibility of longer storage, despite the fact that the R-39 is more “young”. What is there "rotten" in a relatively short time, against the same American missiles that are on earlier boats?

                The whole problem is in fuel.
                They can reload ICBMs on UDMH in the Russian Federation - we have no problems with heptyl. And the life of these missiles is determined by electrics and electronics.
                But with heavy Soviet solid-fuel ICBMs / SLBMs is a problem. After 10 years of storage, solid fuel needed to be changed. But there is no such fuel - the plant turned out to be abroad, the production line died without orders (because the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in the 90s only had enough money to support the production of its Russian Topol with Russian fuel).
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    Quote: garri-lin
    WIG layout is good for percussion instruments. A cruise missile going on the screen will be almost invisible to the radar.

    And what kind of rocket dimensions will they be?
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      the dimensions should be approximately the same, provided that the rocket and all previous trajectories are preserved
  • fk7777777 2 March 2020 20: 16 New
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    The author’s approach is strange, if not Moldovan Estonians, then who built Stockholm, m, yes ... But what about reconnaissance, carrying drones instead of missiles, anti-aircraft missiles, covering ship connections, landing, landing, disrupting the landing of enemy troops , hunting for submarines, etc. .... Service, well, so he can go ashore, unlike the ship. And if the ship is suitable for launching a volley (the author has 1,5 m, well, he’s special, yes), then he’s sure that nobody will catch up with his walking speed, especially the planes, because they don’t know how to sail, I’m right understand?
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    "... a battalion of marines with infantry fighting vehicles and tanks in an ekranoplane and in 12 hours ... A giant from an aerospace concern promised to transport 1200 tons of cargo to a range of 18 thousand kilometers."

    Battalion: 58 infantry fighting vehicles, three dozen armored personnel carriers, self-propelled mortars and KShM, hundreds of cars and a half. Tank company: 14 tanks of 60 tons each.

    Total: 58x25 + 30x20 + 150x8 (roughly average) + 14x60 = 4000 tons. not counting fuel and ammunition. What is there 1200 tons of cargo. 1200 this is only enough for a company TGR, which still will not add anything to MEU at UDC.
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    With the development of UAV technology, all these monsters are gradually becoming a thing of the past ..
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    The brainchild of Minister of Defense Marshal Dmitry Ustinov, who greatly helped the appearance of these machines as a whole and the "Caspian Monster" in particularand.
    where the author read this nonsense ??? The ekranoplanes the illegitimate child of the USSR Navy Admiral - Gorshkov, and Ustinov just clamped them, in due time ...
    But the problems with building ekranoplanes in the ovs were big ... the main presence of two aerodynamic tricks, then seaworthiness - for 1993, none of their ekranoplanes took more than 0,5 waves, Eaglet easily took 1,5 m (3 points), Lun has 5-6 points (up to 2,5 m) .... by the way, when he was shown in 1993, Orlyonok took off and sat on 2 m waves, in the person of their designer and retinue (more than a dozen CIA-shnikov) in "fucking up"
    Alekseev, by the way, is the only engineer who created two "vehicles" at once, and to compare it with Alexander Martin Lippis, as it is not serious, all German models are pampering, which hundreds of homegrown inventors were engaged in
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    The article, to be honest, did not impress, unfortunately the author didn’t delve into the topic, as did many commentators ... The main problem of ekranoplaning is not that they don’t know where to poke these devices, but a couple of things:
    1) the main one is the creation and development of ekranoplanes in the world, which can make up quite a lot of competition to the fleet and partially aviation, and no one wants to part with orders, because "loot" in these industries is turning significant ..
    2) for now it’s very difficult for us to find a niche for ekranoplanes that does not intersect with the fleet and aviation ... accordingly, who, without a specific goal, will invest in new technology if, instead, construction of several types of ships or aircraft can be dispensed with .. . again orders now, and not in 10 years ..
    The only thing I agree with in the article is that as soon as serious work has begun on the topic of ekranoplanning, somewhere among our sworn friends, we will immediately remember our advanced positions in this direction
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      This niche is simply not there. Economically ekranoplanes are not competitive in combination of factors. The operation of Concord is a prime example.
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        And here Concord is completely incomprehensible .... and the "flying ship" of that way, 5000 tons, could even be very interesting ...... the "father" of the ekranoplanes, Admiral of the USSR Gorshkov dreamed of putting the fleet on the wings ... and the ekranoplanes should compete with whom ?
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    Thanks to the author, an interesting article and interestingly written. I thought only ours built them.
    And I will highlight the revolution I liked: "The USSR had a headache of a completely different nature, although it was called in the same way: US Navy." )))
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    Well, "k" uy, as for me, the Caspian is much more harmful in terms of weather. The Black Sea often met me with good weather. And I walked for half a year. We used it mainly there, since the Caspian was and is still "our lake", where there are no prying eyes and countries of neighbors from NATO.
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    "Why were ekranoplanes only in the USSR?"
    Because the USSR was ahead of the rest in scientific and engineering thought. As well as technical and industrial.
    And if everyone hadn’t "drove him together" together, I wouldn’t have been building motor boats for a penny now (s / n came! 13 rubles!)
    And normal ships / for sane money.
    Our third workshop was built under these machines. We were taught to work for them in the distant '90 / '93 year. And it ended, NOTHING.
    We went to work on construction sites in the Moscow region .... To carry concrete with buckets. Comrades who managed to grab / steal money using their connections.
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      To fellow minusers, apparently, if it goes like this, I have long been considering the option of leaving back for repair / decoration. And not just me.
      Next, the ships will be constructed, you. God give you health. hi
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    Interesting. Thanks for the facts.
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    There is nothing to argue about the passage of the Bosphorus and the Baltic Strait. Learn the rules for passage of ships through these straits, or at least pass at least once on a ship. In the Bosphorus, ships are like street cars during rush hours. WIGs cannot legally be operated in international waters, because there are no legal norms of the MPSS for this. So that only in tow, subject to the permission of the Turkish authorities. Similarly in the Baltic. A commercial use and say nothing. There is still international insurance required. About the economy do not even need to mention. WIG is a brilliant technical project, but without real practical application.