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Let's talk about science: scientists used a special electrolyte to create self-loading batteries

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In the section “Let's talk about science”, “Military Review” suggests discussing the topic of modern energy sources. In this case, we will talk about the so-called self-charging batteries, which, as they like to say in the media, are based on “new physical principles” in their work. True, at the same time, the term “new physical principles” itself sounds strange, because physics (nature) exists regardless of what principles a person is currently guided by.


It will be a joint development of Portuguese and American scientists. To create a self-loading battery, they used a special material called amorphous metal or metal glass. Such substances lack the so-called long-range (deep) order. Moreover, the substance used by scientists has ferroelectric properties. This means that in a certain temperature range in the substance and in the absence of an external electric field, spontaneous polarization occurs. When leaving the temperature range, spontaneous polarization disappears due to a change in the internal structure of the substance.

Such a substance with a whole set of “original” physical properties is used as the electrolyte of the battery. The output power of such a battery is significantly higher than previously created analogues due to the fact that both negative capacitance and negative resistance are combined in one cell. This combination allows self-charging without loss of energy. The term “no energy loss” is used by the developers themselves.

What specific materials are used as electrolyte? These are ferroelectric lithium and sodium glasses located between the electrodes.

From a report by a scientist at a porto portuguese university:

When one of the materials is an insulator for certain parameters, for others it is a conductor, an electrolyte, it locally changes its composition with the formation of capacitors that can store energy and equalize Fermi levels (the smallest energy for particles to enter the conduction band) inside the device.

Scientists note that such self-charging batteries will become very popular in the creation of mobile devices and computers, generators with controlled voltage indicators.

The military drew attention to the development, which consider it, including for use as long-term batteries in the equipment of a new generation.
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  1. cost
    cost 26 February 2020 19: 00 New
    +3
    Interesting article. This question has been raised more than once on VO
    1. loki565
      loki565 26 February 2020 19: 57 New
      0
      Then the type turned out to be an inverter 12 in 220))) it can last 4 hours, then the car Akum will sit
  2. nznz
    nznz 26 February 2020 19: 01 New
    +4
    The perpetual motion machine is not a joke?
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 26 February 2020 19: 13 New
      +4
      But how much dough can be worn - there are loshki.
    2. loki565
      loki565 26 February 2020 20: 01 New
      +4
      If this were true, oil giants would have buried the project at the very beginning)))
    3. Archon
      Archon 27 February 2020 22: 36 New
      0
      No. Bicycles have long been perpetual motion machines.
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 26 February 2020 19: 02 New
    13
    When one of the materials is an insulator for some parameters and a conductor, an electrolyte for others, it locally changes its composition with the formation of capacitors that can store energy and equalize Fermi levels (the lowest energy for particles to enter the conduction band) inside the device.
    Simple but tasteful!
    And the most important thing is clear to any blonde! laughing
    1. knn54
      knn54 26 February 2020 21: 17 New
      +7
      "Scientists study what is already there; engineers create what never happened."
      Albert Einstein.
  4. Gray brother
    Gray brother 26 February 2020 19: 02 New
    +8
    I didn’t understand anything, but it’s very interesting.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 26 February 2020 19: 15 New
      -6
      Quote: Gray Brother
      I didn’t understand anything, but it’s very interesting.

      And why is it not clear .. almost a perpetual motion machine .. well, or with a very high efficiency ..
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 26 February 2020 19: 26 New
        16
        Quote: Svarog
        Why is it not clear ..

        Nothing, I personally have two versions - either it can simply give out a stronger starting current (I saw the word "capacitors"), or it recharges when heated according to the principle of a thermocouple (I saw the word "temperature").

        But this generally introduces me to fornication:
        "When one of the materials is a dielectric, such as an electrolyte"
        The problem is that electrolyte is a conductor, not a dielectric.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 26 February 2020 19: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Gray Brother
          But this generally introduces me to fornication:
          "When one of the materials is, with some parameters, a dielectric, with others a conductor, an electrolyte"
          The problem is that electrolyte is a conductor, not a dielectric.

          I think there is not a very accurate translation ..
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 26 February 2020 19: 39 New
            +8
            Quote: Svarog
            I think there is not a very accurate translation ..

            Not in chess, but in cards and did not win, but lost)))
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 26 February 2020 19: 36 New
          +7
          Quote: Gray Brother
          dielectric such as electrolyte

          Liquid, such as solid? laughing
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 26 February 2020 19: 37 New
            +3
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Liquid, such as solid?

            Yeah, kind of.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 26 February 2020 19: 42 New
              +2
              Quote: Gray Brother
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Liquid, such as solid?

              Yeah, kind of.

              Remembered

              - Yesterday I bought a sebe car - "Volga". Handsome.
              - And what color?
              - Do you know the sunset? The same, just green ...
              laughing
            2. loki565
              loki565 26 February 2020 20: 08 New
              +4
              Liquid, such as solid?

              That's where the liquid terminator came from, Cameron is a genius)))

              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 26 February 2020 20: 24 New
                +4
                Quote: loki565
                Cameron is a genius)))

                It was a long time ago and not true. He frankly leaked the last part.
                Here Gridasov must be called, I am brushing.
                1. loki565
                  loki565 26 February 2020 20: 35 New
                  +4
                  And now such films are not being shot, all the franchises have been leaked: "Aliens", "Terminator" and so on.
                2. Cheerock
                  Cheerock 27 February 2020 02: 04 New
                  0
                  It is strange that he is not here yet))
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 27 February 2020 06: 48 New
                    0
                    I worry about him.
                    1. vadimtt
                      vadimtt 27 February 2020 10: 00 New
                      +3
                      Do not worry, now the new LSTM layers will be retrained and you will be again Gridasov, even smarter laughing
        3. Errr
          Errr 26 February 2020 21: 22 New
          +7
          It would be correct to call this battery "battery with adaptable capacity", because in this case, the expression "self-charging battery" is most reminiscent of the delirium of a gray mare after a painful attempt to suck sensation from his left hind hoof. laughing
          If you want to understand the essence of this Portuguese-American study on promising batteries, read here:
          http://www.battery-industry.ru/2019/06/11/создан-прототип-аккумулятора-с-элект/
          By the way, the photo in this article has nothing to do with the topic at all. smile
          It depicts the so-called "smart battery" Eli-Home, developed in Chile more than 4 years ago:
          Smart Battery Powers
          In Chile, they are developing a battery called Eli-Home, capable of creating their own energy network, charging energy from the Sun.
          In Chile, a new battery can allow residences to forget about the power grid and can store their energy in excess.
          Life without an energy grid could soon become a reality if a young Chilean inventor fulfills his dream.
          Manuel Mata is president of Eli-Batt, the creators of an intelligent lithium battery called Eli-Home.
          Eli-Home was developed at the University of Chile in the hope that the stack will revolutionize the consumption of clean energy, allowing homes to create their own energy grid.
          What separates this battery from others is its ability to self-charge, which allows it to create its own network, accumulating energy from the sun and possibly selling excess.
          The battery supports any network in the residence and, in addition, can be charged so that you will never be without power.
          After installation, the operation is facilitated.
          If a power failure occurs, the battery controls a sensor that sends electricity to all electrical objects in the residence.
          The battery can be controlled using a smart mobile phone, as well as carry.
          (translation from Spanish)
          A source: https://www.voanoticias.com/a/poderes-bateria-inteligente-eli-home-chile/3163461.html
          This Chilean battery is self-charging, but it receives energy simply from the Sun. There are no "new physical principles" at all. lol
          1. Lekov L
            Lekov L 27 February 2020 11: 44 New
            +1
            Thanks for the link
            If you want to understand the essence of this Portuguese-American study on promising batteries, read here:
            Because
            negative capacitance and negative resistance

            it is very physical. request
            There, by reference, at least clarity appeared.
            Interestingly, what kind of translator did the "author" use in what class they stopped letting them into physics with the VO editor?
            With apologies if I offended anyone, with respect to my colleagues .. hi
  5. Amateur
    Amateur 26 February 2020 19: 03 New
    +1
    then in one cell both negative capacity and negative resistance

    Perpetum mobile?
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 26 February 2020 19: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Amateur
      Perpetum mobile?

      No!
      Gravitsapa!
      1. serzh.kost
        serzh.kost 26 February 2020 19: 10 New
        +1
        Hyperloop!
        how do you like it, Elon Musk?
  6. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 26 February 2020 19: 04 New
    18
    the substance used by scientists has ferroelectric properties .... that in a certain temperature range in the substance and in the absence of an external electric field, spontaneous polarization occurs. ....
    belay
    Vasya, why did you start a fight with a stabbing at a wedding in our village?
    Yes, everyone ate and drank from the beginning, then suddenly someone from the city asked the groom: “What do you think of the semantics of the study of Prishvin’s early works?” Well, it started .....
    request
    1. depressant
      depressant 26 February 2020 19: 49 New
      +4
      Thanks! Laughed for a long time love wassat
  7. Svarog
    Svarog 26 February 2020 19: 14 New
    -2
    It will be a joint development of Portuguese and American scientists.


    When it’s about Skolkovo’s achievements .. well, or at worst Russian scientists .. I can’t wait, probably the fifth article in my opinion ..
    Well, in general, well done, of course, American and Portuguese scientists .. Here is a good example with high added value and jobs ..
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 26 February 2020 21: 06 New
      +2
      Zhores Ivanovich Alferov received the first patent in the field of heterojunctions in 1963, made a semiconductor laser ... He received the Nobel Prize in physics for the development of semiconductor heterostructures for high-speed optoelectronics in 2000. Since 2010, co-chairman of the Scientific Advisory Council of the Skolkovo Foundation ... Can you imagine the time scale with which Soviet-Russian scientists work ... what
      1. Chigi
        Chigi 26 February 2020 21: 29 New
        +5
        This is not a time scale, this is the "half-life" of Soviet science, unfortunately
  8. iouris
    iouris 26 February 2020 19: 18 New
    +2
    Another "perpetuum mobile".
  9. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 26 February 2020 19: 39 New
    0
    And then it turns out that the self-loading battery has been working in the Russian army for a long time ... after all, it was not in vain that Putin spoke about weapons on new physical principles ???? Everyone was thinking about lasers, and the guarantor meant batteries. lol
    1. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity 27 February 2020 06: 06 New
      -2
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      self-charging battery has long been working in the army of the Russian Federation

      Yeah! I went to the stall and bought a battery myself - that’s how it works.
  10. Thrifty
    Thrifty 26 February 2020 19: 40 New
    +2
    If only a negative charge arises there, then how and due to what is a positive charge taken or obtained? And how long does the process of self-excitation and self-charging last? Will there be enough power for the stated purpose?
    1. astepanov
      astepanov 26 February 2020 20: 10 New
      +8
      Don't worry. The article is absolutely illiterate, the one who wrote it does not understand anything about the subject. I wrote a comment detailing the absurdities - it was removed. Presumably, for the fact that a specialized specialist undertook to criticize the respected "journalist". I explain the REAL essence of what is at stake. The device contains a ferroelectric - as, for example, in a piezo lighter. If you press - we get an electrical impulse. You can, for example, use the energy from pressing the keys of the calculator to recharge the battery. That's all the salt. And no "self-loading". And then they spread the word - it's disgusting to read.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 26 February 2020 21: 00 New
        +2
        Thanks for the clarification, otherwise I could only guess on the daisy how this can work. ..
      2. Fat
        Fat 26 February 2020 23: 07 New
        0
        Quote: astepanov
        Don't worry. The article is absolutely illiterate, the one who wrote it does not understand anything about the subject. I wrote a comment detailing the absurdities - it was removed. Presumably, for the fact that a specialized specialist undertook to criticize the respected "journalist". I explain the REAL essence of what is at stake. The device contains a ferroelectric - as, for example, in a piezo lighter. If you press - we get an electrical impulse. You can, for example, use the energy from pressing the keys of the calculator to recharge the battery. That's all the salt. And no "self-loading". And then they spread the word - it's disgusting to read.

        If necessary, use alkaline batteries. When the energy runs out to the lower limit ... All the chemistry of the element is over ... And you need an extra hour ... Clamp the element in the narthex of the door and gently deform ... And here He is, an hour ...
      3. Undecim
        Undecim 26 February 2020 23: 09 New
        +9
        Presumably, for the fact that a specialized specialist undertook to criticize the respected "journalist".
        Your misconduct is much more serious. You encroached on the creative credo of most site authors - to write about issues that they have no idea about.
        1. Maximilian37
          Maximilian37 27 February 2020 00: 49 New
          +1
          Only because of the specific name of the site "Military education", this resource did not turn into "yandex zen". While! Wait for illiterate juvenile journalists and, most importantly, commentators.)
      4. Roman 57 rus
        Roman 57 rus 26 February 2020 23: 24 New
        +1
        Or vice versa, filed an electric discharge, the piezoelectric element decreased (or increased). ??
      5. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 26 February 2020 23: 34 New
        +1
        If you press, we get an electrical impulse .... and if you don’t press, what do we get ????
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 27 February 2020 01: 47 New
          +2
          A piece of quartz is small and harmless. We apply the potential to it - we get a quartz resonator, on which the clock, and a lot of things work.
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 27 February 2020 07: 52 New
            -1
            a quartz resonator on which the clock is .... yeah. only here in a watch with a quartz resonator from time to time put on a battery to insert, so that the example is nowhere
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 27 February 2020 08: 23 New
              0
              How does this contradict what I have written? Insert the battery - this is "apply potential". This is the reverse process, of obtaining potential mechanically. I just wanted to say this.
              1. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 27 February 2020 09: 33 New
                0
                And how does this contradict what I wrote? .... about "wrote" -that would once again hesitate over this word is better "typed". So it will be more correct, now on the topic --- in this article we are talking about self-charging an accumulator with a certain substance. BUT for some reason they do not indicate efficiency. and efficiency is the measure of useful energy, it cannot be more than you spend. that's the whole point, there are assumptions in quantum physics that there are virtual particles from a certain vacuum fluctuation according to the law of quantum uncertainty, the key word is "uncertainty", that is, the dogmas of quantum physics themselves have no idea what they are dealing with, so while "uncertainty" will become certainty in this science, then only then it will be possible to talk about something, at the moment, to understand the engines of the world, the teachings of Newton and Einstein rule (well, and many others who are no less advanced in this direction) ... who does not get it, blacks for world peace, more precisely for waging wars around the world with unpunished murder of civilians, for cold nuclear fusion of the nucleus (more delirium can hardly be imagined) and so on ... in short, than a crazy idea ... the more likely to win a Nobel
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 27 February 2020 14: 26 New
                  0
                  about "wrote" -that would once again hesitate over this word better "typed". So it will be more correct,

                  First, master the Russian language (the verb with the particle "not" is written separately) and learn how to use graphic signs in the answers. There are "quotes" for quotes.
                  With quantum physics - this is to Gridasov. The article mentions a certain catalyst for the electrochemical process. There is no talk of a self-replenishing battery. All batteries react to the temperature regime, and lithium batteries generally "do not like" low temperatures. From article
                  This means that in a certain temperature range in the substance and in the absence of an external electric field, spontaneous polarization occurs

                  It only retains its charge well in "comfortable" conditions and, apparently, has an increased capacity.
  11. novobranets
    novobranets 26 February 2020 19: 44 New
    +5
    What I missed in this life what . I was always sure that the ideal conductor, this conductor whose resistance is approaching zero, but it turns out there is still a negative resistance. belay
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 26 February 2020 23: 37 New
      +1
      but it turns out there is still negative resistance. ... well, then to the Great Niels Bohr with its quantum physics. while you do not measure .... in short, you won’t get anything (mat is forbidden here)
    2. Genry
      Genry 27 February 2020 00: 16 New
      0
      Quote: novobranets
      but it turns out there is still negative resistance.

      Negative resistance exists - it is used in sound amplifiers to reduce the effect of resonance in speakers (damping).
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 27 February 2020 09: 46 New
        0
        Negative resistance exists - it is used in sound amplifiers, .... do not introduce people to Oman (deception), there are no negative resistances, damping occurs in diodes, triodes and other guiding rheostats, that is, according to the principle of "there is CURRENT and there is no CURRENT" , that is, in a binary code where there is 1 and there is 0, not any negative, if we discuss electromagnetic oscillations, then again these oscillations have energy. that is, the temperature, and it (temperature) below 0 Kelvin (-273 Celsius) does not exist in nature, in any case, it is not detected until the mudflow, so do not fornicate in the darkness and do not introduce others into fornication
        1. Genry
          Genry 27 February 2020 10: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
          so do not fornication in the darkness and do not enter others into fornication

          Daragoi, laughing at least in the beginning you would know at least something and have the experience that you cannot know everything and are not dishonored.
          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
          there are no negative resistances, damping occurs in diodes, triodes and other guide rheostats,

          You should at least google it, and then you would carry nonsense.
          В active(electronic) systems can make any resistance.
          I have a negative output impedance amplifier at home. On 4 ohm columns, it is desirable to have a range of −2 -3 ohms. You can set much more, but the volume drops.
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 27 February 2020 10: 52 New
            0
            You should at least google it, and then carry nonsense .... why not, all the same, radio circles in schools of the USSR are power, ..4 ohms it is desirable to have in the range of -2 -3 ohms ...... this is the direction of oscillations in alternating electrical systems current. that is, it is an indicator of direction. but it does not reflect negativity as current, just like the indicator of discharge and charge - THIS IS THE DIRECTION OF ELECTRONIC EMISSION. but not as a state of charge
            1. Genry
              Genry 27 February 2020 11: 07 New
              0
              Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
              This is the direction of oscillation in AC electrical systems. that is, it is an indicator of direction. but does not reflect negativity as current,

              I already realized that you are not a reader. And in three years I could learn to quote on the site - apparently you’re using a papkin account ...

              About negativity ...
              There is zero resistance, when damping occurs at a zero signal level, the output current can be, say, one unit.
              And there is a negative resistance, when the electronics gives out antiphase voltage, i.e. against the movement of the mechanical resonance of the speaker. At the same time, the currents can be many times higher, since the negativity of the amplifier compensates for the speaker resistance.
              It’s like a rotating electric motor, for a quick stop, give reverse rotation voltage. The currents will be huge.
              1. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 27 February 2020 11: 12 New
                +1
                could quote learn ... not necessarily. the site does not prohibit this. I feel so comfortable ....

                It's like a rotating electric motor, for a quick stop, give a reverse rotation voltage ..... well, Duc and would put the idea correctly. that we are talking about recuperation. What are the stories about the pros and cons, but even with recuperation, "support" from outside the system is required ..
                1. Genry
                  Genry 27 February 2020 11: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  would set forth the idea correctly. that it’s about recovery.

                  Why are you talking about recovery? This is the return of energy to the source ...
                  And here there is no return, but even greater consumption.
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  What are the stories about the pros and cons, but even with recuperation, "support" from outside the system is required ..

                  I see that you didn’t understand anything ....
                  1. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 27 February 2020 11: 41 New
                    0
                    I see that you didn’t understand anything .... well, if it is unclear to quantum theorists about the intricacies and all that in the world of particles, then where are we sinners
                    1. Genry
                      Genry 27 February 2020 11: 45 New
                      0
                      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                      Well, if it is unclear to quantum theorists about entanglement and all that in the world of particles, then where are we sinners

                      Chic theme ...
                      It is not stated in it that if the temperature drops below absolute zero, then the time function will change sign ....
                      1. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 27 February 2020 12: 10 New
                        0
                        It is not stated in it that if the temperature drops below absolute zero, then the time function will change sign ....
                        I suppose I should turn to Hawking here, Yong likes to play with her mind, and I’m into a chip, I need to buy an accelerator
    3. Svarog51
      Svarog51 27 February 2020 01: 55 New
      +2
      Vyacheslav hi If you look at the Theoretical Foundations of Electrical Engineering (TOE) - even more surprised. There, when calculating the area of ​​the electric circuit, the root of -1 is used to obtain the values ​​of active and reactive energy. The so-called complex numbers. Students completely demolish the roof until the teacher explains why the synchronous motor is spinning in the factory’s network. yes
      The meaning of the article is to bring the battery from a cold garage to a warm room in winter, it will warm up - you wound up with half a kick, even charging is not needed.
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  13. Russian_man
    Russian_man 26 February 2020 20: 10 New
    0
    well done, scientists, - do not waste time in vain
  14. Voltsky
    Voltsky 26 February 2020 20: 10 New
    +9
    I didn’t understand anything from what was written ... although I often have to deal with this at work :) Either it’s time for me to go to school, or the article on the stupid thing is written, well, or this is frank nonsense
  15. depressant
    depressant 26 February 2020 20: 21 New
    +1
    Khe, khe ... mean so.
    There is a dielectric with randomly located dipoles (molecule, one end +, the other -). There is a dielectric, consisting of sections of domains. This is such a sample of matter in which the domains are located so that in each of them the dipoles are oriented exactly the same, but the orientation of the dipoles in the neighboring domains does not coincide. In one domain - like that, and in the other - like that, in the third one somehow, etc. That’s why the sample is a dielectric, the current through such a sample will not go. And there is a similar liquid sample. Its peculiarity as a liquid is that, like solid, it consists of domains randomly oriented with respect to neighbors. At a certain temperature, dipoles in all domains under the influence of an external field are oriented identically, the insulator becomes a conductor. At a different temperature, the dipoles in each domain are still oriented in the same way, but no longer pay attention to the orientation of the neighbors. Now the domains are some in the forest, some for firewood.
    But how does the battery charge? Just as an electron, having jumped into a lower orbit, emits a quantum of energy?
    1. astepanov
      astepanov 26 February 2020 20: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: depressant
      But how does the battery charge?

      Very simple: mechanically. The device has a piezoelectric element. Pressed the calculator key - the piezoelectric element recharged the battery. There are intelligible publications on the network about this, and what the author has piled ... Well, it's impossible to comment.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 26 February 2020 23: 41 New
        0
        Pressed the calculator key - the piezoelectric element recharged the battery. ... in order to press a key, N must be applied .. the amount of energy, and if you consider Newton an idiot, then who are you Alyosha ???
    2. Chigi
      Chigi 26 February 2020 22: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: depressant
      At a different temperature, the dipoles in each domain are still oriented in the same way, but no longer pay attention to the orientation of the neighbors. Now the domains are some in the forest, some for firewood.

      That's right, in the absence of external influence, the structure of the substance "drawn" by you may well assume its previous state. No matter how difficult it is to implement, it is theoretically possible.

      Quote: depressant
      But how does the battery charge? Just as an electron, having jumped into a lower orbit, emits a quantum of energy?

      The catch is that after "emitting a quantum of energy" (otherwise there can be no talk of any "battery charge") the system will not be able to return to its original state.
      Those. the system "degrades" into a substance with different properties and no "self-charging".
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 27 February 2020 02: 07 New
        +4
        In winter I have such a charge in every pocket - a thermocouple is called. The closer to the body - the more effective. While running around the store, the battery in the key fob is warming up and the signaling is working.
        1. Chigi
          Chigi 27 February 2020 03: 47 New
          +2
          What can I say, if this happens to you all the time - it's Magic!
          I’ll tell you more, I have a store nearby where you can get a TELEPORTATION solution from Friday to Monday, not expensive, but only to people who have reached the age established by the laws of the Russian Federation.
          And you say "battery" ... "the signaling is working" ...
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 27 February 2020 03: 51 New
            +4
            Gee laughing I also have such outlets in the district. This magic is needed for those who do not want to go to work. And she is unnecessarily for me, I have been retired for a long time. repeat
            1. Chigi
              Chigi 27 February 2020 04: 02 New
              0
              wink It can be seen that retired ...
              It is generally accepted on Monday to go to work and on Friday to return, and not vice versa wink
              Actually, "Shop magic" is extremely varied and insidious, you would have to change the battery in the keychain, otherwise .... this can happen belay
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 27 February 2020 04: 12 New
                +2
                I have a spare. And it’s better to return home from work every day, and you need to relax sometimes. yes "Shop magic" is an extremely insidious thing, some do not return from the temporal transition at all.
                and then .... this can happen

                Maybe if the reagents are too much in the dose. wink
                1. Chigi
                  Chigi 27 February 2020 07: 21 New
                  0
                  Totally agree with you!
                  "Solution" is insidious yes yes yes
  16. evgen1221
    evgen1221 26 February 2020 20: 35 New
    +3
    So I thought, such a cool, high-tech useful broadcaster, and suppose before us, there were on earth (maybe not one highly developed, but even developed countries, but they burned down in a general war, suppose), after them there were a lot of cool things, the principle of work, the device and purpose, not to mention production, no one already knows. And lies somewhere under the guise of an old plate and something else, some kind of anti-gravity device or a perpetual battery, but we generally do not have any household utensils, but a cool thing. So if the current humanity shoots each other, then a similar battery of glass, future degraded residents as an ancient female jewelry will probably be considered.
    1. depressant
      depressant 26 February 2020 21: 09 New
      +4
      Don’t say it, colleague!
      For many years I watched how the antikythera mechanism was first discovered, then it was shone through, as the technology developed, they made a computer model, executed in metal, it works! But the possibilities are not fully disclosed. But what layers of technology are already lost in our era.
      I remember how history taught me at school - here is Ancient Egypt, here he has slaves, build pyramids ... Here is Ancient Rome, gladiators, slaves, Colosseum, legionaries ...
      But there were powerful engineers! There was a science. And one can only guess what happened before the last glaciation 12, 5 thousand years ago. Yes, I am also very interested in this question)))
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 26 February 2020 23: 57 New
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        And you can only guess what happened before the last glaciation 12, 5 thousand years ago .... do not guess, there is a radiocarbon analysis at the moment capable of determining a sample up to 100 thousand years ago. in the course of your life, Lyuda has a sacred desire for spiritualism ... a dangerous phenomenon
  17. Dart
    Dart 26 February 2020 20: 59 New
    +1
    another system for converting and storing energy ..
    The theme is old, old .. just a new approach.
    It has long been industrially produced on the basis of either piezo or induction, and sold inexpensively, in packages. They are used in industrial networks to power various sensors .. there are a variety of applications, for example, monitoring the state of bridges, there’s more than enough energy for conversion. quite miniature ...
  18. divanka2021
    divanka2021 26 February 2020 21: 02 New
    +1
    I understand that there is a speech about temperature batteries, like I warmed up on a fire and charged
  19. Klingon
    Klingon 26 February 2020 21: 16 New
    +1
    no, energy cannot be taken from nowhere, although energy is even in a vacuum, but if it is taken from somewhere, then in any case its transformation takes place somewhere, which means that entropy will increase in any case. The perpetual motion machine, however, contradicts the second law of thermodynamics. In the case of the perpetual motion machine, the entropy should be minus and not local, but the entropy of the entire universe should suddenly decrease, which means the reversibility of irreversible processes (such as self-bonding of a broken glass), which means that time in this case should go in the opposite direction. So far, no such processes have been observed.
    1. Chigi
      Chigi 26 February 2020 22: 25 New
      +3
      Well, what are you so harsh on by that "scientists". laughing
      They did not study at institutes, and therefore they believe that
      If "the life cycle of the Sun has always been in the sky and will always be forever", then all devices that receive energy from the sun will also be "eternal energy producers."
      They have a different concept of a "perpetual motion machine".

      That's what the article says
      Moreover, the substance used by scientists has ferroelectric properties. This means that in a certain temperature range in the substance and in the absence of an external electric field, spontaneous polarization occurs. When leaving the temperature range, spontaneous polarization disappears due to a change in the internal structure of the substance.

      We remove the "water" and get a change in day and night temperatures ....

      Well wretched they are, what to do ...
  20. Genry
    Genry 27 February 2020 00: 04 New
    +5
    For articles, you must also enter the minus button.
  21. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 27 February 2020 00: 14 New
    +3
    Combine a ferroelectric with microcurrent current generation with a conductive electrolyte, and providing the ability to "self-charge" apparently as a result of mechanical action? Congratulations to all poor students on the victory over reason.
  22. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 27 February 2020 00: 23 New
    +3
    Quote: astepanov
    Quote: depressant
    But how does the battery charge?

    Very simple: mechanically. The device has a piezoelectric element. Pressed the calculator key - the piezoelectric element recharged the battery. There are intelligible publications on the network about this, and what the author has piled ... Well, it's impossible to comment.

    Piezoelectricity is scanty both in terms of current and voltage. You need to have a head at least with a five-grade education in it in order to understand- WHERE to take a decent current, in some amperes, since the source is, roughly speaking, glass, with infinite internal resistance? Don't you know Ohm's Law, which says that when connected in series, currents are equal everywhere? And the amount of current here will be regulated by the internal resistance of the piezoelectric source? You will put pressure on this element until your own retirement in order to earn a certain amount of watt-hours. The self-discharge of any battery exceeds the "charging" current by several orders of magnitude.
  23. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 27 February 2020 00: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Gray Brother
    But this generally introduces me to fornication:
    "When one of the materials is, with some parameters, a dielectric, with others a conductor, an electrolyte"
    The problem is that electrolyte is a conductor, not a dielectric.

    I think there is not a very accurate translation ..

    It's not about translation. The fact is that there is a contradiction at the base. The dielectric charges (?) The battery. A dielectric, by definition, has an infinitely large internal resistance and is not capable of generating the current necessary to charge the battery. These devices are accumulators, charged NOT BY VOLTAGE, AND BY CURRENT. And where does the current of required magnitude come from, since the source is a dielectric? The series connection of several elements gives a common EQUAL current throughout the circuit. And the current will be regulated by the internal resistance of the dielectric.
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 27 February 2020 02: 14 New
      +1
      The series connection of several elements gives a common EQUAL current throughout the circuit. And the current will be regulated by the internal resistance of the dielectric.

      Turn on in parallel - get the sum of currents depending on the number of elements.
  24. IL-64
    IL-64 27 February 2020 06: 39 New
    0
    And canceled the law of conservation of energy? To select energy, it must first be reported. Under the influence of what self-loading will take place?
  25. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 27 February 2020 11: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Svarog51
    The series connection of several elements gives a common EQUAL current throughout the circuit. And the current will be regulated by the internal resistance of the dielectric.

    Turn on in parallel - get the sum of currents depending on the number of elements.

    Collect millions of elements to collect microamps into amperes, and act on them SYNCHRONOUSLY. Give it a try. And in parallel a connected bouquet of ..... pieces, put together in series the same pattern to increase the voltage.
    A piezo lighter made of a column of many such elements. And with a sequential one it is enough to burst alone, and throw out the entire column without the possibility of repair.
  26. mikstepanenko
    mikstepanenko 27 February 2020 12: 19 New
    0
    The main thing in becoming about science is that no one understands anything. If one position is contrary to another, it does not matter.
    When one of the materials is an insulator for certain parameters, for others it is a conductor, an electrolyte, it locally changes its composition with the formation of capacitors that can store energy and equalize Fermi levels (the smallest energy for particles to enter the conduction band) inside the device.