A new procedure has been approved for aircraft violating the border of the Russian Federation

The Russian government approved the new Rules of Application weapons while guarding the Russian border in the airspace. The document was signed by Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, he published on the official portal of legal acts.

According to the new rules, the Russian armed forces have the right to shoot down civilian aircraft that infiltrated the Russian airspace only in exceptional cases and if there are no passengers or hostages on board. At the same time, it is specified that, first of all, a civilian aircraft that violated the state border of Russia should overtake the airborne aircraft of the Russian Federation, which, by sending radio commands and visual signals, force the intruder to leave the Russian airspace. In case of ignoring signals and continuing the flight, the intruder is forced to land or try to force out.

If there is evidence that hostages are on board, the intruder is ordered to land at specially designated aerodromes. If there are no hostages and passengers, and the plane continues to ignore the requirements, it is allowed to open fire on it.

After the entry into force of the new rules, the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 977 of 19.08.1994/XNUMX/XNUMX "On the Procedure for the Use of Weapons and Military Equipment in the Protection of the State Border of the Russian Federation in Airspace" is considered to be invalid. The old document also prohibited the shooting down of intruder aircraft with passengers and hostages on board.

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[Dizel200]

and how to determine if there are hostages, passengers. and in general pilots are present with stewardesses?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Dizel200

and how to determine if there are hostages, passengers. and in general pilots are present with stewardesses?

Everything is very simple - if they do not answer the requests, then there is nobody there.

[Dizel200]

Offset. Why come up with a bike?

[maxim947]

only in exceptional cases and if there are no passengers or hostages on board.

Too many conventions for the military.
And if visibility is poor, or there is no interceptor and the plane is visible only on radar, and there FIGs you will understand a military transporter or passenger side.
In general, in any case, you can make the military guilty, waved your hand wrong, didn’t make people out through the windows, etc.

[Gray brother]

Quote: maxim947

And if visibility is poor, or there is no interceptor and the plane is visible only on radar, and there FIGs you will understand a military transporter and or passenger board.

Then they will plant a rocket from the ground. In the text there is a link to the document, there are already five sheets of integers - read.

[maxim947]

Then they will plant a rocket from the ground.

Well, thank God. Reassured
I read, indeed in this case, radio commands are sent and then to defeat.

[Shurik70]

In other words, to carry out an atomic bomb to Moscow, or even just ram the Kremlin or some skyscraper with an airplane filled with conventional explosives, a passenger plane is enough to announce that there are hostages on board. And the military can only "try" to oust. A heavy passenger Boeing may not care about their "attempts."
I do not think that the leadership does not understand this. So there are probably instructions for such a case. Simply the media did not say about these instructions.

[self-propelled]

Quote: maxim947

In general, in any case, you can make the military guilty

but this already depends on how much the command of the armed forces and the country's leadership are ready to defend the interests of their country, their homeland? and all these screams (which will be about the "innocent murdered") are just screams (often pre-directed). The elephant doesn't give a damn about Moska's barking.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Dizel200

Offset. Why come up with a bike?

And how to show the work of the government? More papers are stupid and different.

[A009]

Please explain when the life of people (hostages) became stupid?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Gray Brother

if they do not answer the requests, then there is no one there.

and the pilot - under the tribunal ((

5. In the case when due to adverse conditions establish nationality and type of air offending vessel State border of the Russian Federation does not seem possible, weapons and military equipment to defeat are not used, measures are being taken for its identification by fighter crews and by escort by electronic means within the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as over the open sea before the entry of the vessel-violator into the airspace of another state.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Gregory_45

and the pilot - under the tribunal ((

Not. You read paragraph five about adverse conditions. Now read paragraph seven onwards.

[Zefr]

and how to determine if there are hostages, passengers.

And if there is a complete salon of terrorists? Or special forces?
And if part of the bandits portray hostages?
But how can an aircraft be displaced if its pilots know for sure that they cannot be shot down? Well, the interceptor will fly around, buzz, and fly away

[not main]

Quote: Zefr

But how can an aircraft be displaced if its pilots know for sure that they cannot be shot down? Well, the interceptor will fly around, buzz, and fly away

And you remember Tsymbal Vasily! That's the way to act! One mistake, but the fatal did not report the incident on an instance!

[Tiratori]

In fact, everything was the same in the old !!!

[Thrifty]

Is the priority for the signature and execution of such documents not in the Ministry of Defense? And then Mishustin? This document should first of all lie on the table to Putin, and from him immediately to Shoigu.

[Name Surname]

Well, how would Mishustin hierarchy over Shoigu)

[jovanni]

And then Mishustin?

Indeed, the Supreme Commander is the President! A plane violator is a threat to the country's security. Though civilian. Some kind of misunderstanding ...

[4ekist]

The document is called "Decree of the Government ..", now on the descending order will appear MORF.

[carstorm 11]

debatable ... and if there are hostages or passengers but the plane wants to drop on something important?

[Gray brother]

Quote: carstorm 11

debatable ... and if there are hostages or passengers but the plane wants to drop on something important?

Then they must report this so that they are shot down as an exception. Or not to inform - then they just won’t be allowed to go to this object.

[4ekist]

The main thing is that anyone standing at the helm of the leadership of the duty shift combat crews takes responsibility and makes a competent decision. Moreover, in such cases, minutes of time are decided.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: carstorm 11

debatable ... and if there are hostages or passengers but the plane wants to drop on something important?

this is an emergency, an extremely emergency situation. The document contains typical cases. In an emergency, the decision "what to do, how to be, to shoot down - not to shoot down" will be made by "responsible and authorized"

[Svarog51]

And there must be at least three, otherwise you will not find it at the right time. Someone must be on duty.

[orionvitt]

I remember the "Korean Boeing". He behaved insolently, did not respond to requests, ignored visual commands. How then? Then, yes, they shot down. Now it turns out, will they look and wipe? who knows if there are passengers or not.

[Kurare]

Quote: orionvitt

Now it turns out, they will watch and wipe themselves off?

Have you read the article?

In case of ignoring signals and continuing the flight, the intruder is forced to land or try to force out.

You can imagine when a twin-engine Su-shk flies in front of your nose a few meters. The interceptors have enough ways to show the pilot that this is not the place for him.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Kurare

intruder forced to land or attempt to force

Oh well. Forced to land can only be under threat of destruction, as well as displaced. Everything else, like pushing and butting in the air, is only in the movies and in theory. But the enemy pilot will not lead to maneuvers, what next? Ram? Whoever gets lost and flew into Russian airspace will understand and get away. But if they flew with a specific purpose, then "take it, for a cut, for twenty."

The interceptors have enough ways to show the pilot that this is not the place for him.

There is only one way, to show ammunition, with a hint that is not joking. Everything else is nonsense.

[Kurare]

Quote: orionvitt

But the enemy pilot will not lead on maneuvers, what next? Ram?

Further, you can already draw conclusions about his intentions, i.e. do not expect anything good from him. Well, why ram, there is a weapon on board the interceptor.

I think that in this case there is a protocol according to which, after instructions from the very top, the aircraft must be destroyed. This is a very difficult situation and neither the pilot nor the ground services can make such a decision. This is the essence of the new rule.

[Svarog51]

Can a DVR on board an interceptor solve a problem?

[Kurare]

I think no. But, in any case, if the picture can be transmitted directly, it will certainly help to make a decision.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Kurare

there is a weapon aboard the interceptor.

Quote: Kurare

I think in that case there is a protocol

Quote: Kurare

after instructions from the top, the aircraft is to be destroyed.

Something I do not understand you in any way. You can't destroy. Or when you really need it, is it possible? Or are you just like that "think".

[Kurare]

Read carefully, the decision to destroy the aircraft can not be made by either the pilot or the ground services. This rule is. But, there is a protocol, if no means work, the decision to destroy is made at the very top.

For example: in Germany, the protocol provides for the destruction by unanimous decision of the ministers of defense, internal affairs, justice and the federal chancellor.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: orionvitt

who will understand if there are passengers or not.

if none of the portholes wave their hands and take off the phone - then no)

[Svarog51]

And if the terrorists captured and forced to close the curtains? No one waves or takes off. Everyone is afraid. Knock down?

[Calm]

Vyser some

[Amateur]

Wanted a new Rust? Then the Minister of Defense was removed. Under S. Shoigu began to dig?

[horus88]

what will they do if there are passengers, hostages, children, but the plane flies towards the Kremlin? And if towards a residential high-rise building?
Terrorists should have clarity, if they flew into our space, they will be shot down. All.
All negotiations with them and other philanthropy will only lead to great destruction and sacrifice.
And you do not need to ask what will happen if my relatives or I find ourselves in that plane, you need to shoot down.

[Wolverine]

Quote: horus88

what will they do if there are passengers, hostages, children, but the plane flies towards the Kremlin? And if towards a residential high-rise building?
Terrorists should have clarity, if they flew into our space, they will be shot down. All.
All negotiations with them and other philanthropy will only lead to great destruction and sacrifice.
And you do not need to ask what will happen if my relatives or I find ourselves in that plane, you need to shoot down.

Now all planes, including those with a superget, are equipped with a US-controlled control interception system, so the question is - is the next provocation involving civilian liners not being prepared?

[mark2]

. Now all aircraft, including those with a superget, are equipped with a US-controlled control interception system,

Complete nonsense.

[kit88]

Quote: horus88

what will they do if there are passengers, hostages, children, but the plane flies towards the Kremlin

The article naturally does not reflect the whole "picture", and we naturally read inattentively, not paying attention to the nuances.
What is the name of the decree?
"... Rules for the use of weapons while guarding Russian border in the air "
Where is the border and where is the Kremlin. This is the first frontier. Border guard.
Further in the airspace of the country there are restricted areas where you can’t fly at all. And of course, if any board deviated from the route and instead went to the Kremlin to Domodedovo, then the discussed Rules will not apply to it, there is no state border here, it’s completely different.
An example is an interview with the GDP, where he tells how, during the opening of the 2014 Olympic Games, he was informed that the plane flying from Ukraine to Istanbul was seized by terrorists and they require landing in Sochi.

Putin recalled that at that moment he asked the operational headquarters staff what suggestions there were.

“The answer is expected:“ In accordance with the plan provided for in case of such a development of the situation, <...> shoot down. I told them to act according to the plan.

[Avior]

An example is so-so, in my opinion.
Actually, the plane was not hijacked by terrorists, and indeed there was no real threat to either the plane or the land, in fact, another drunken vacationer decided that Turkish rest should begin with a flight to the Olympics.

"A citizen of Ukraine, born in 1969, a passenger on a Kharkiv-Istanbul flight, was in a state of strong alcoholic intoxication and tried to enter the cockpit, shouting at the same time:" We are flying to Sochi, "the security officials said.

The passenger was reassured, conducted a check. There were no weapons or explosives under him.

They reassured, put into place and, accompanied by Turkish fighters, just in case, flew further to Istanbul. Not such a unique situation, drunken hooliganism without threat to anyone.
That is, there was no threat to anyone, but they could have brought them down. I would not want myself or my relatives to be on such a board ....

[Shikari91]

There was an old order, it was slightly modified and a new one appeared. Global changes have not occurred. Because of what such a noise was raised in the media ?!

[rotkiv04]

And what the hell, in the USSR there was a tough procedure in such cases and there is nothing to invent here, although partners do not understand, they can impose sanctions again

[75 Sergey]

But what's the difference ?!

[4ekist]

Let them put it in their pants.

[prior]

"Dear airspace intruder.
Would you be so kind and would you deign to independently and voluntarily leave the airspace of Russia that you accidentally violated? "
And in response, from the cockpit of the intruder’s plane - the middle finger raised up.
Ugh. Here it is in its purest form.
Mishustika is at the helm and let him try to defend the borders of the Motherland with such "weapons".
And if on board a passenger Boeing "yadren-baton" or coronavirus?

[75 Sergey]

Will Shoigu personally inspect the intruder for passengers or hostages?

[4ekist]

If the aircraft poses a threat to the security of the state (important objects, reconnaissance flight over foreign territory and disobeying commands), it must be destroyed.
Remember the attack involving passenger aircraft in the United States.

[CommanderDIVA]

There, the planes, I think, didn’t come from abroad, but were captured by suicide bombers, but here we are talking about invading our airspace from the outside

[primala]

The old document also forbade the shooting down of intruder aircraft with passengers and hostages on board.
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Until the rooster pecked (the events of Crimea, Donbass, and Syria), ours did not remember what the "consultants" from outside and the venal seven-bankers had done in the 90s.

[Romario_Argo]

On February 15, near St. Petersburg, the 1490th Anti-aircraft Regiment was re-equipped with 400 divisions in the S-4 air defense system
delivery of 2020 divisions of the 2th (Yekaterinburg) and 185th (Samara) anti-aircraft missile regiments is still expected in 568
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation received 63 divisions of S-400 air defense systems, 2020 divisions are expected at the end of 65

[lopvlad]

It remains to make and distribute plates to all terrorists with the words "hostage" and "passenger" and a sticker "mulyar" on the weapon and you can go.

[Grigory_45]

A new procedure has been approved for aircraft violating the border of the Russian Federation

in fact, they didn’t make any fundamental changes to the document, everything is about the same as in the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 977 of 19.08.1994/XNUMX/XNUMX
Why was it necessary to draft and approve a new document? To show the visibility of the work? Would issue an addendum to the judgment in all matters.

[PSih2097]

If there is information that hostages are on board, the intruder is ordered to land at specially designated aerodrome

What is it like? any failure to fulfill the requirements put forward by the spirits - entails the destruction of either the hostages live, or the board itself with all those on it ...

[Yves762]

According to the new rules, the Russian armed forces have the right to shoot down civilian aircraft that penetrated Russian airspace only in exceptional cases and if there are no passengers or hostages on board. ... In the event that hostages and passengers are absent, and the aircraft continues to ignore the requirements, it is permitted to open fire on it.

And if the captured passenger side, because of the cordon, has the goal of ramming something?

[master 52]

and then what changed? Points 6 and 7 are very strange even if it flies to important state facilities and passengers cannot be shot down on board passengers. and military aircraft with weapons can be shot down if he does not respond or does not want to go to the emergency.

[Professor Preobrazhensky]

I don’t know about you, but I expected from the new prime minister other priority decrees ...
To be honest, the adoption of this document amused me a little, especially against the backdrop of an economic, if not crisis, then certainly not growth.

[4ekist]

Well, have fun further.

[iouris]

The absence of such rules led to the success of the 1981 provocation, in which the "passenger" Boeing-747 became a participant. This story began the process of discrediting the Armed Forces of the USSR and the dissolution of the USSR by a rival structure.

[Aviator_]

The discrediting of the USSR Armed Forces began after a thoughtless and wordy conference, when this South Korean (KAL 007) was naturally shot down in September 1983. I still remember how stupidly our top military leadership answered - "and you would be in my place ..." Instead of a clear answer - "flew into our airspace and stuck there for several hours, simultaneously with the American satellite Ferret, which wrote the frequencies of our air defense, and therefore shot down, "began to chew snot. Here the Jews in the late 70s - early 80s also shot down someone's civilian plane that flew towards them, so they briefly explained - we will shoot down everyone who flies in like that. And no one has flown since then.

[Aviator_]

the intruder is ordered to land on specially established for this aerodromes.

Interesting turnover. So, they will begin to "specially install" new airfields?

[Radical]

A new procedure has been approved for aircraft violating the border of the Russian Federation

In general, apparently at the request of the "partners" from the airspace of the Russian Federation, they decided to make an entrance yard.

[Bare]

His own is a stranger. There is no answer to. yep! Clearly, specifically, clear. All reach for shit from the USA and Europe. And then the warriors are to blame. So you can get to Rust M.