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Together with amendments to the Constitution, the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation must also be changed.

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Discussion of amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation continues. Already today it is clear that we will not do without cosmetic changes to the Basic Law. It seems to me that even President Vladimir Putin did not expect such activity from the Russians. And the proposals themselves already concern not only the initially identified issues, but also the very essence of the Constitution.


I have repeatedly written about my amendment proposals. But today I want to touch on another issue. The issue, which is also ripe and needs to be addressed. This is a matter of amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. You must admit that changes in society are taking place with such speed that laws become outdated or require amendments in a fairly short period.

But to make such a decision is better in a popular referendum. So why not combine the referendum on the Constitution with the referendum on changing the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation? Tighten or vice versa reduce the punishment for a specific crime can and by decree of the President of Russia.

And, for example, change the age of criminal responsibility for particularly serious or any other crimes? Or toughen the punishment for the use of force against government officials? Or toughen punishment for “werewolves in uniform” and employees who exceed their powers?

If you look at the decrees of the President of Russia in recent years, then noticeably much attention is paid specifically to changes in the articles of the Criminal Code. And discussions about what needs to be done with this code have not been quiet for several years. Moreover, opinions are sometimes diametrically opposed. From tougher penalties for all crimes to an almost complete abolition.

Interestingly, while both sides of the dispute cite the experience of foreign countries. Only now, as usual for our discussions, some of the truth is silent. Yes, in some countries the punishment for crime is less. However, there a more serious crime, for which a longer term is given, does not absorb the punishment for a smaller one. Dates are added. Which leads to astronomical punishments in hundreds of years in prison.

Putin signed decrees to toughen punishments for organized crime, for accidents with a drunk driver, and others. But what about 13-14-year-old killers, including those driving expensive cars in the streets without any responsibility? What about terrorists of the same age? What to do with pedophiles recidivists?

Periodically, situations arise in one or another region when the police are forced to save criminals from lynching. And you can understand the citizens. The criminal, on whose conscience several lives of innocent people, will sit. But then he will return. Unlike those whom he killed.

Given the statistics of the same Ministry of Internal Affairs, according to which up to 70% of previously convicted persons return to their "professions", only at a higher level, the people, it turns out, are right.

This means that the question for a nationwide referendum on amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation simply needs to be included in the ballot. More precisely, two bulletins must be prepared at once. “On Amending the Constitution of the Russian Federation” and “On Amending the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation”. Specifically and objectively, this issue could well be addressed by a working group similar to the one that is working on the issue of amendments to the Basic Law.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 26 February 2020 08: 31 New
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    More and more laces are being woven around the changes to the Constitution .. and most importantly, no specifics, they would have already presented for discussion what exactly they are going to change .. There is growing confidence that all changes are for the sake of the "throne"
    Yes, in some countries the punishment for crime is less. However, there is no more serious crime for which they give a longer term does not absorb the punishment for a smaller one. Dates are added. Which leads to astronomical punishments in hundreds of years in prison.

    We have a percentage of acquittals tend to zero .. maybe with the judicial system, first you need to resolve the issue?
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 26 February 2020 08: 48 New
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      In a good way, if we really work seriously on changing the Constitution, we must convene the Constitutional Assembly, conduct polls, and attract qualified specialists. And the current hasty jerking looks strange and suspicious.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 26 February 2020 09: 27 New
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        Quote: Deniska999
        And the current hasty jerking looks strange and suspicious.

        And who twitched then?

        What amendments did Putin propose to make to the Constitution:

        1. The priority of the Constitution of the Russian Federation over international law in the country.
        2. Tighter requirements for candidates for the presidency.
        3. A ban on foreign citizenship or a foreign residence permit for government officials.
        4. Change in the status and powers of the State Council.
        5. Changing the role of parliament.
        6. Changes in the appointment of heads of law enforcement agencies and regional prosecutors.
        7. Consolidation of social guarantees in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
        8. Strengthening the role of the Constitutional Court.
        9. Empowering the Federation Council to remove from the posts of judges of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
        10. Strengthening the principles of a unified system of power.

        Twitched, those who were afraid of responsibility. It is good to live for the one who is one for all, and after the adoption of these amendments, you will have to answer for the market. They are trying in every possible way to "blur" the president's amendments. Already for 10 years, they came up with 600 of their ...

        I support the president’s proposal for constitutional amendments proposed by him. I didn’t see the rest, and therefore I can’t say anything.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 26 February 2020 09: 45 New
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          1
          . The priority of the Constitution of the Russian Federation over international law in the country.
          2. Tighter requirements for candidates for the presidency.
          3. A ban on foreign citizenship or a foreign residence permit for government officials.
          4. Change in the status and powers of the State Council.
          5. Changing the role of parliament.
          6. Changes in the appointment of heads of law enforcement agencies and regional prosecutors.
          7. Consolidation of social guarantees in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
          8. Strengthening the role of the Constitutional Court.
          9. Empowering the Federation Council to remove from the posts of judges of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
          10. Strengthening the principles of a unified system of power.

          Here in the middle, quietly, at number 4., there was a point where I am categorically against it.
          10. I don’t understand the point .. and the rest need clarification ..
          1., 2, 3 .. here For .. As far as I understand, the Constitution already stipulates social guarantees, but they are successively canceled and not implemented and what will change, the Social guarantee? Well, they will index by 3 kopecks, and inflation will be 3 rubles ..
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 26 February 2020 10: 00 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            Here in the middle, quietly, at number 4., there was a point where I am categorically against it.

            According to the draft, the President forms the State Council of the Russian Federation in order to “ensure coordinated interaction between state authorities and determine the main directions of domestic and foreign policy”. The status of the Council of State will be determined by special federal law.

            Quote: Svarog
            10. I don’t understand the point.

            “I consider it necessary to consolidate in the Constitution the principles of a unified system of public authority, to build effective interaction between municipal and state bodies. At the same time, the powers and real possibilities of local self-government, which is closest to the people of the level of power, can and should be expanded and strengthened, ”Putin said.

            Quote: Svarog
            Social guarantee? Well, they will index by 3 kopecks, and inflation will be 3 rubles ..

            According to the current situation, indexation cannot be lower than inflation.
            1. depressant
              depressant 26 February 2020 10: 31 New
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              Boris 55, and which local authorities are close to the people? For example, the institution of governorship - not?
              The Khabarovsk governor retired, and the "local government" added to his pension provision monthly 400 thousand rubles from the budget, which means people's money. What is it like? Moreover, the governor, admittedly, is a failed one. If the powers of such "local self-government" are expanded, a million or more will be added on the blue eye.
            2. Malyuta
              Malyuta 26 February 2020 11: 16 New
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              Quote: Boris55
              According to the draft, the President forms the State Council of the Russian Federation in order to “ensure coordinated interaction between state authorities and determine the main directions of domestic and foreign policy”. The status of the Council of State will be determined by special federal law.

              Strictly speaking, all these goat dances are called a constitutional coup, after the implementation of which power will be transferred to a completely unaccountable body. In this sense, changes to the Criminal Code are a small part of all future changes, such as illegitimacy (in accordance with the "new" constitution) and the re-election of the State Duma, the Federation Council and the election of a new president. This is what awaits us, and the discussion in this sense of the Criminal Code does not make any sense, it is just a breakthrough of public opinion for global changes.
            3. Roman070280
              Roman070280 26 February 2020 13: 32 New
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              “I consider it necessary to consolidate in the Constitution the principles of a unified system of public authority, to build effective interaction between municipal and state bodies. At the same time, the powers and real possibilities of local self-government, which is closest to the people of the level of power, can and should be expanded and strengthened, ”Putin said.


              What was it?? Maybe it's time to do some real business, not verbiage ??
              For 20 years, the Constitution prevented him from "building effective interaction between municipal and state bodies" ??

              According to approximately the same scenario, the kakly tried to adopt a law that the sun does not rise from the side of the "aggressor country" ..
        2. lis-ik
          lis-ik 26 February 2020 09: 50 New
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          Quote: Boris55
          4. Change in the status and powers of the State Council

          That's for the sake of this point, and all the tugging.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 26 February 2020 10: 06 New
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            Quote: lis-ik
            That's for the sake of this point, and all the tugging.

            Today, the vector of domestic and foreign policy is determined by one person. What is wrong with this vector defining a few more people?

            So he decided to take the hunchbacked country to capitalism and took it away, and if there was a collective decision, then maybe they would still have lived in the USSR.
            1. Deniska999
              Deniska999 26 February 2020 10: 12 New
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              For this, the government and parliament.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 26 February 2020 10: 15 New
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                Quote: Deniska999
                For this, the government and parliament.

                According to the current provision of the Constitution, article 80, paragraph 3.
                "The President of the Russian Federation, in accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation and federal laws, determines the main directions of the state's domestic and foreign policy."
                1. Roman070280
                  Roman070280 26 February 2020 13: 40 New
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                  determines main directions domestic and foreign policy of the state

                  and determines ..
                  b Directions ..

                  And in response to him, for example, the Federation Council would take, and forbid, the introduction of troops into Ukraine in the year 14 .. And he would go to determine further ..
                  And the State Duma would have taken it, but voted against the pension reform .. and this "direction guide" would have gone in the direction long ago assigned to it ..

                  As you can see, the problem is not at all that he is ONE "in accordance with the Constitution .... determines" EVERYTHING ..
            2. lis-ik
              lis-ik 26 February 2020 10: 34 New
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              Quote: Boris55
              Today, the vector of domestic and foreign policy is determined by one person. What is wrong with this vector defining a few more people?

              The powers of the State Council are strengthened for the sake of conditionally that the chairman would have more power than the president. Now the retirement does not want to leave, still need to steer.
        3. Nick Russ
          Nick Russ 26 February 2020 09: 56 New
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          ,, 3. A ban on foreign citizenship or a foreign residence permit for government officials. ,,

          I would also add a ban on long stays, citizenship, and residence permits for close relatives (wife, children, parents) of high-ranking officials.
          1. yuliatreb
            yuliatreb 26 February 2020 11: 34 New
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            They will leave loopholes for their beloved ones, the evidence of this fact is the Criminal Code, the adopted Federal Laws, Legislation, a lot of laws are passed, but nobody really controls their implementation, this is a disaster.
        4. astepanov
          astepanov 26 February 2020 10: 00 New
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          Quote: Boris55
          I support the president’s proposal for constitutional amendments proposed by him. I didn’t see the rest, and therefore I can’t say anything

          You can support, you can not support - but it is already known that voting for amendments will take place in one package, and not for each amendment separately. This means that in this package you can bury anything you want, including the one that will reset the most wonderful offers. I suppose I don’t like the proposals to shove God into the constitution. It turns out that, in agreement with the presidential amendments, I will automatically be forced to put priests on my neck. Do I need it? If there are such proposals, I will not go to the vote.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 26 February 2020 10: 03 New
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            Quote: astepanov
            Voting for amendments will take place in one package, and not for each amendment separately.

            Voting a single package I do not like the same. Enemies of Russia will certainly try to add some filth there.
            1. Leshy1975
              Leshy1975 26 February 2020 11: 59 New
              +5
              Quote: Boris55
              Quote: astepanov
              Voting for amendments will take place in one package, and not for each amendment separately.

              Voting a single package I do not like the same. Enemies of Russia will definitely try to add some filth.

              And taking into account that the initiator of such amendments is the Kremlin and everything happens under its control.
              Boris, thank you so much. hi I read your comment and ... laughed. laughing

              PS Deftly you brought the enemies of Russia to clean water. laughing laughing laughing
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 26 February 2020 12: 19 New
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                Quote: Leshy1975
                PS Deftly you brought the enemies of Russia to clean water

                He is NODovets, and the roof of these sectarians has been leaking for a long time. laughing
                1. Genry
                  Genry 26 February 2020 12: 35 New
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                  Quote: Malyuta
                  He NODovets, and these sectarians

                  Do not be shy ... Are you a specific liberd then?
                  1. Malyuta
                    Malyuta 26 February 2020 12: 51 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Genry
                    Quote: Malyuta
                    He NODovets, and these sectarians

                    Do not be shy ... Are you a specific liberd then?

                    Do not push in vain, I have other ideals and priorities.
                    1. Genry
                      Genry 26 February 2020 13: 46 New
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                      Quote: Malyuta
                      I have other ideals and priorities.

                      I am ashamed to say which ones?
                      Or is it a big secret of another state (through a puddle).
        5. kapitan92
          kapitan92 26 February 2020 12: 00 New
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          Quote: Boris55
          3. A ban on foreign citizenship or a foreign residence permit for government officials.

          Perfectly! And you did not know or forgot that
          Vladimir Putin signed the federal law "On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation to Specify Requirements for Replacing State and Municipal Positions." According to the law, citizens of Russia who have foreign citizenship or a residence permit in other countries are prohibited from holding a number of state and municipal posts. This was reported by the press service of the President of the Russian Federation.

          According to RIA Novosti, the law adopted by the State Duma on July 5, 2006 and approved by the Federation Council on July 14,
          Such restrictions apply to deputies of the State Duma and members of the Federation Council, deputies of legislative (representative) bodies and senior officials of constituent entities of the Federation, members of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, chairman, deputy chairman and auditors of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation, as well as deputies of representative bodies of municipalities and elected officials persons of local self-government,

          Laws must be implemented, all the more adopted and approved.
          All "Putin's" amendments are a screen for one
          4. Change in the status and powers of the State Council.

          The term ends and the "throne" must be freed, for him the main thing is to drag it to another "department" in time! hi
          1. Genry
            Genry 26 February 2020 12: 38 New
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            Quote: kapitan92
            All "Putin's" amendments are a screen for one
            4. Change in the status and powers of the State Council.

            The State Council is an analogue of the Supreme Council of the USSR. In the US, this is the Senate.
            What do you have across your throat?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 26 February 2020 13: 03 New
              +4
              Quote: Genry
              The State Council is an analogue of the Supreme Council of the USSR. In the US, this is the Senate.

              I don’t understand, they say that our constitution was written according to the American model and therefore it must be changed, and then the amendments and again in the manner american constitution!
              Quote: Genry
              What do you have across your throat?

              it is across.
              1. Genry
                Genry 26 February 2020 13: 33 New
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                Quote: Silvestr
                they say that our constitution was written on the American model

                Who is talking? Spit ...
                The Constitution was written with the assistance of USAID, i.e. "good Americans".
                The deputies were making noise and discussing, and then they just got printouts with completely different contents and were told to vote, and they were so convinced, stimulated that no one refused.
            2. Deniska999
              Deniska999 26 February 2020 13: 13 New
              +5
              The Senate is an analogue of the Federation Council, the upper house of parliament.
              1. Genry
                Genry 26 February 2020 13: 34 New
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                Quote: Deniska999
                enat is an analogue of the Federation Council

                Well then, Congress.
            3. Roman070280
              Roman070280 26 February 2020 13: 43 New
              +5
              The person wrote to you above .. but you didn’t read, but you ask questions ..
              I’ll quote for him again .. And you can write that here across your throat ..

              Perfectly! And you did not know or forgot that
              Vladimir Putin signed the federal law "On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation to Specify Requirements for Replacing State and Municipal Positions." According to the law, citizens of Russia with foreign citizenship or a residence permit in other countries are prohibited from holding a number of state and municipal posts. This was reported by the press service of the President of the Russian Federation.

              According to RIA Novosti, the law adopted by the State Duma on July 5, 2006 and approved by the Federation Council on July 14,
              Such restrictions apply to deputies of the State Duma and members of the Federation Council, deputies of legislative (representative) bodies and senior officials of constituent entities of the Federation, members of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, chairman, deputy chairman and auditors of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation, as well as deputies of representative bodies of municipalities and elected officials persons of local self-government,

              Laws must be implemented, all the more adopted and approved.
              All "Putin's" amendments are screen for one
      2. Arlen
        Arlen 26 February 2020 09: 30 New
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        Quote: Deniska999
        constitutional change

        I believe that it is not necessary to introduce amendments to the Constitution, but to completely change the entire Constitution based on our historical experience.

        Changes to the Criminal Code must be made. To toughen the punishment for persons with power structures: officials from different administrations, persons with epaulets, tax officials, etc. Be sure to tighten the punishment pedophile.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 26 February 2020 09: 37 New
          +2
          Arlen
          Changes to the Criminal Code must be made. To toughen the punishment for persons with power structures: officials from different administrations, persons with epaulets, tax officials, etc.
          For this we need a new Stalin with Beria, as well as a repeat of the purges of 37-39 years. But which side? Will our nouveau riche peel themselves?
          1. Arlen
            Arlen 26 February 2020 09: 46 New
            +5
            Alexander hi
            This issue is already moving into the plane of the political structure of the country. There are elections ahead, and the future depends on us. We will change course - we will make a jerk forward, we will not change - we will stagnate.
            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 26 February 2020 09: 51 New
              +5
              Arlen
              This issue is already moving into the plane of the political structure of the country. There are elections ahead, and the future depends on us.
              Sorry to interfere, but with all due respect, do you really believe that at least something depends on the elections ?!
              No, how the degree of the people’s mood the elections can show something, but to really change the course of the country, it’s necessary to push all our oligarchs away from the government. And without a will from above or pressure from below, this is not realistic. No one has voluntarily yielded power.
              1. Arlen
                Arlen 26 February 2020 09: 58 New
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                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                Do you really believe that anything depends on the elections ?!

                Yes I believe you. If I am not mistaken in Ulyanovsk in 18, representatives of the Communist Party won the elections to the local Duma. And if in other regions it would be the same?
                1. abrakadabre
                  abrakadabre 26 February 2020 10: 08 New
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                  If I am not mistaken in Ulyanovsk in 18, representatives of the Communist Party won the elections to the local Duma. And if in other regions it would be the same?
                  Nothing would have changed. Because the Communist Party of the Communist Party only in name. In fact, this is an ordinary petty-bourgeois party, which is a dime a dozen in every capitalist country.
                2. Diana Ilyina
                  Diana Ilyina 26 February 2020 10: 10 New
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                  The problem is that the Communist Party is far from the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) and not even the Communist Party, and Papa Zu is far from Uncle Joe. Thanks to the same Zyuganov, the Communist Party has long turned into a pocket party of the Kremlin and has never been popular. Personally, after the betrayal of Sue in 1996, I no longer believe him or the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and believe that they are just parasites that parasitize on the people's nostalgia for the USSR.
                  So, we don’t have that party on the political skyscraper that we really would like to go for.
                  1. Wolverine
                    Wolverine 26 February 2020 10: 28 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Diana Ilyina
                    The problem is that the Communist Party is far from the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) and not even the Communist Party, and Papa Zu is far from Uncle Joe. Thanks to the same Zyuganov, the Communist Party has long turned into a pocket party of the Kremlin and has never been popular. Personally, after the betrayal of Sue in 1996, I no longer believe him or the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and believe that they are just parasites that parasitize on the people's nostalgia for the USSR.
                    So, we don’t have that party on the political skyscraper that we really would like to go for.


                    I agree, but partially, there are normal young and active guys there, you just have to send Zyuganov to retire to catch fish.
                  2. Malyuta
                    Malyuta 26 February 2020 10: 47 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Diana Ilyina
                    Personally, after the betrayal of Sue in 1996, I no longer believe him or the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and believe that they are just parasites that parasitize on the people's nostalgia for the USSR.

                    So it is, but the party is not only Zyu, in the party of really honest and decent people. You, Zyu discredits the communist idea, but when the choice is between the Communist Party and the edrosny, the Communist Party is preferable for me, taking into account all the others.
                    1. dauria
                      dauria 26 February 2020 12: 05 New
                      +5
                      but when the choice is between the Communist Party and the food industry, then for me the Communist Party is preferable, taking into account all the others.

                      So the authorities are counting on this. Not for the EDRo, but for the branch of the EDRa - the Communist Party ... Well, Zhirik hangs out just in case - to pick up those 10% who are "always against everything." The main thing is that everyone is covered, fed and contented - left, right, blue, green ... even blue. wink And even further, they will depict the struggle in the "necessary measure", and that's enough for us.
                      Enter the line - "against all", that will be laughing.
                      1. Malyuta
                        Malyuta 26 February 2020 12: 37 New
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                        Quote: dauria
                        Enter the line - "against all", that will be laughing.

                        I agree, but the results for this line will mean complete distrust of the system. But do not forget that there are gas and meat elections, it will calculate everything correctly, easily 78% turnout and 146% for. The fact that the Szyu whistle through which I bleed off the steam of the people's anger is also understandable, this was the whole calculation, a generation of scoops will leave, a new illiterate will grow up and everything will reign forever and "save the Tsar." they studied Marxism-Leninism and political economy well, there is no proletariat, no "gravedigger", no ideology, as support means confusion and vacillation, but as a result of hopelessness to change something. In addition, the manipulation of consciousness has not been canceled, who would have thought 10, and even more so 30 years ago, that in 5 years it is possible to make an enemy out of a friend and a brother and fix it in consciousness?
                        So nobody canceled charging water in three-liter cans from the TV. The Kashpirovsky and Chumak experiment was 100% successful.
                      2. Private89
                        Private89 1 March 2020 18: 45 New
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                        But sooner or later, the refrigerator will defeat the TV (With the hard work of our government) and then the discontented amount will turn into quality.
                      3. Private89
                        Private89 1 March 2020 18: 48 New
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                        And to the people what prevents Marx and Lenin from reading, it seems that until Capital and the State and the revolution were banned, you look and brains would fall into place.
                  3. Genry
                    Genry 26 February 2020 12: 56 New
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                    Quote: Malyuta
                    but the party is not only Zu, in the party there are many really honest and decent people.

                    No need to cover up the Commercial Party (which is already openly cooperating with the failed Liberty), people who do not decide anything (no collective meetings, votes).
                    1. Private89
                      Private89 1 March 2020 19: 27 New
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                      The Bolsheviks, too, tactically united with the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries to achieve their mission. They even before October proposed to the Menshevichs and Socialist-Revolutionaries to head the governments, they were even ready not to enter this government if they adopted decrees on peace and land for the peasants. But the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries refused, which showed their true bourgeois face.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 26 February 2020 13: 05 New
              +2
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              Sorry to interfere ...

              if you do not believe
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              ..that at least something depends on the election

              what is your suggestion?
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 26 February 2020 10: 43 New
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        Quote: Arlen
        Changes to the Criminal Code must be made. Tighten up punishment for persons with power structures: officials from different administrations, persons with epaulets, tax officials, etc. Be sure to tighten the punishment pedophile.

        At least, it would not be out of place to discuss the issue of maintaining or lifting the moratorium on the death penalty with the people. I think that the majority would speak in favor of lifting the moratorium.
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 26 February 2020 09: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Deniska999
      , it is necessary to convene the Constitutional Assembly, conduct polls, attract qualified specialists. And the current hasty jerking looks strange and suspicious.

      First of all, it must be clearly said that a referendum should be held to amend the constitution, but not a vote. Voting does not bark at the changes and the new constitution of legitimacy.
      1. Genry
        Genry 26 February 2020 12: 51 New
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        Quote: Malyuta
        First of all, it must be clearly said that a referendum should be held to amend the constitution, but not a vote.

        The results of the referendum are just a survey of popular opinion.
        A direct vote (like voting in an election ....) - is the direct will of the people.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 26 February 2020 12: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Genry
          A direct vote (like voting in an election ....) - is the direct will of the people.

          You distort, a referendum is the law, and voting is not!
          1. Genry
            Genry 26 February 2020 13: 37 New
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            Quote: Malyuta
            referendum is the law, and voting is not!

            Then the election of the President, Parliament is illegal?

            From the Constitution:
            Article 3

            1. The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people.

            2. The people exercise their power directly, as well as through government bodies and local governments.

            3. The highest direct expression of the power of the people is a referendum and free elections.

            4. No one can appropriate power in the Russian Federation. The seizure of power or the appropriation of power is prosecuted under federal law.
    3. depressant
      depressant 26 February 2020 10: 08 New
      +5
      Deniska999, the law by which the convocation of the Constitutional Assembly is possible, has not yet been adopted in its final form. The Duma is delaying its adoption. In addition, a meeting is convened only if Articles 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation change, that is, if the foundations of the political system change. The assembly, having consulted, gives its consent to the referendum and makes amendments to the Constitution with 2/3 of the votes in favor. People who have seized power by changing the political system are not going to give it up. Therefore, Articles 1, 2 and 9 cannot be affected by the amendments, as if because the referendum could not be held, as if because the Duma was allegedly not worthy of adopting a law on convening the Constitutional Assembly.
      Hence, not a referendum, but a certain vote, the results of which, it seems to me, can legally be challenged in the future. A new group of people will come to power, look at the amendments and say, they say, what nonsense - cancel! And who will object to them?
      In order to prevent the current ruling group of people from being replaced by another group, the amendments, forcing the population to vote for nishtyaks, force him to vote for the eternal rule of the current ones. Say, in the form of the State Council.
      This is, as it were, a social contract between the current authorities and the people: we, such good ones, are for you, and you are for us.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 26 February 2020 11: 07 New
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        Quote: depressant
        In order to prevent the current ruling group of people from being replaced by another group, the amendments, forcing the population to vote for nishtyaks, force him to vote for the eternal rule of the current ones. Say, in the form of the State Council.

        You have correctly registered everything, I want to note one circumstance. Ap did not become creative, but took the Soviet system of state power, but without advice, and transferred it to the present.
        That is, the Federation Council is the Central Committee, the State Council is the Politburo, the Chairman of the State Council is Gen. Sec!
        According to this scheme, you can rule forever, being at the top of the vlat, but having a whipping boy in the form of a president. The fundamental difference will consist only in the fact that all of the above bodies will not be elected by the people and will constitute a narrow circle of close associates, and if we discard all the husks, we get the monarchy in its purest form
        1. depressant
          depressant 26 February 2020 12: 04 New
          +3
          Malyuta, absolutely agree! And I came to this conclusion a long time ago, from the moment the amendments were announced.
          Here we had the CPSU with its leading, organizing and guiding role. Taking advantage of the fact that the people were used to trusting her and did not see any other method of government, she brought it to the 90s. Where she said, there they came. But the Communist Party of China with the same role - leading, organizing and guiding. She said to drive the sparrows - they drove. She said to build capitalism - build. Both are successful, party discipline! And we began to build a Western-style democracy with an imitation of the struggle for power between parties. Putin even went to the gatherings of the "presenter" Edra. So far, knowledgeable people have not suggested to him: "Chapter One, Article 13. of the Constitution." We have no ideology for this article! You cannot cling to any party. And Edro, having seized the bureaucracy and the government headed by Medvedev, decided that it was the party’s power, which was not supposed to be under the Constitution. Captured for myself, loved ones. Without denying yourself anything.
          Because Putin tells ministers one thing, and they tell him another. Like, you, Mr. good, are not the head of the party, Medvedev for us is the head of the party, although it has been a mess, but the head, he is power for us. And the opposing group of offshore oligarchs, whose interests Medvedev defended, are there.
          And so they lived. Got it.
          Therefore, there must be some kind of structure imitating the organizing, leading and guiding role of the CPSU. Otherwise, the country is over. And then from the 90s the idea of ​​the State Council emerges. As a substitute for the CPSU. How is her substitution. Equivalent. In the 90s they already realized that this was necessary.
          But ... is Camo coming?
          Yes, where else - to capitalism. Giving the State Council meaning as a guiding, organizing and leading state structure, on the one hand, consolidates the power of Putin's supporters, and on the other, marks the final victory of capitalism over the Soviet system. Over the people, in whose memory that system is still alive, and they, "nasty", yearn for it and constantly compare the "delights" of the present day with the past, becoming a great epic.
          1. depressant
            depressant 26 February 2020 12: 35 New
            +4
            I would like to add briefly.
            In fact, assuming the role of head of the State Council and thereby gaining unlimited power, Putin will begin repressions against those who disagree. But not rich dissenters. He will continue to persuade such. He is a liberal, like them, the ruling class. Repression will be against the poor dissent. To those who, having opened their mouths wide, in a scream, demand 25 million high-tech jobs and fair salaries. Putin does not understand that people do not want social handouts, they want to feel worthy citizens, earning decent money by their own efforts. So, you have to think in which column of the newsletter put the icon.
            Very big doubts.
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 27 February 2020 01: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: depressant
              He is a liberal

              and how is it next to you
              Quote: depressant
              Putin will begin repression

              fool laughing
          2. Genry
            Genry 26 February 2020 12: 42 New
            -3
            Quote: depressant
            Giving the State Council meaning as a guiding, organizing and leading state structure, on the one hand, consolidates the power of Putin's supporters, and on the other, marks the final victory of capitalism over the Soviet system.

            Do not la la ... In the USSR there was a Supreme Council ....
      2. Genry
        Genry 26 February 2020 12: 49 New
        -3
        Quote: depressant
        Hence, not a referendum, but a certain vote, the results of which, it seems to me, can legally be challenged in the future.

        The law on the referendum, in the list of topics, does not contain a clause for changing the Constitution.
        But the popular vote in the form of a plebiscite is the will of the people. And this is impossible to dispute.
    4. Genry
      Genry 26 February 2020 12: 41 New
      -6
      Quote: Deniska999
      if we work seriously to amend the Constitution, we must convene the Constitutional Assembly,

      What constitutional assembly are you talking about? There is no law at all about this meeting - the liberd with the communists is constantly bombarded.
  2. Diana Ilyina
    Diana Ilyina 26 February 2020 09: 05 New
    +8
    Svarog (Vladimir)
    We have a percentage of acquittals tend to zero .. maybe with the judicial system, first you need to resolve the issue?
    This is for ordinary citizens, and for officials if we are convicted, then he will sit under house arrest.
    There are only two high-profile criminal cases, Ulyukaev and Zakharchenko. Nothing is heard about Ulyukaev, I won’t be surprised if he is already resting in his country house, but Zakharchenko still won’t decide what to do with him.
    Vasilyeva was apparently seen during the "imprisonment" in GUM. All the poor fellow drew pictures, but filmed clips, straight talent ... request
  3. Ros 56
    Ros 56 26 February 2020 09: 16 New
    0
    Well, for some reason, Reimer was released on parole yesterday, and you are slandering. stop fellow lol
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 26 February 2020 09: 20 New
      +4
      Excuse me, Yuri, how did Reimer skip past me, and who is he? Why did he sit and how many parole received?
      Half a year at least served? recourse
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 26 February 2020 09: 26 New
        +8
        The former head of the police department of the city of Orsk, went dope, then became the head of the Regional Directorate of Internal Affairs, went dope in Orenburg, moved to Samara, and then growing to Moscow. And they planted for three lard money for electronic bracelets with the FSIN system. We still remember him here in a quiet, gentle word that you should die.
        1. knn54
          knn54 26 February 2020 09: 36 New
          +1
          "The severity of Russian laws is mitigated by the non-binding nature of their implementation."
          M.E Saltykov-Shchedrin.
        2. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 26 February 2020 09: 45 New
          +9
          Ros 56 (Yuri)
          Former head of the police department of the city of Orsk, went dope, then became the head of the Regional Department of Internal Affairs, went dope in Orenburg,
          Well, straight "angel" ... How can you put such a necessary frame? And through whom then to drive drugs? We'll get rid of all the drug dealers, but where can a poor official get money for his life? The tea budget is not rubber, there is not enough for the appetites of all officials and his darling, so they are spinning as they can.
          In general, I have a strong impression that the main drug dealer in our country is the Federal Drug Control Service or what is it called there now?
          1. Varyag71
            Varyag71 26 February 2020 11: 15 New
            +1
            FSKN is not now.
  4. Boris55
    Boris55 26 February 2020 09: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    Increasing confidence that all changes for the sake of the "throne"

    Do you seriously think that his proposal on the procedure for choosing the president to remove the word contract and leave no more than two termscontributes to this? laughing
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 26 February 2020 09: 51 New
      +6
      Quote: Boris55
      Quote: Svarog
      Increasing confidence that all changes for the sake of the "throne"

      Do you seriously think that his proposal on the procedure for choosing the president to remove the word contract and leave no more than two termscontributes to this? laughing

      So he will not be the president, but the chairman of the state council and perhaps this body will be higher in authority than the president himself .. here is such an unpretentious multi-port ..
  5. Machito
    Machito 26 February 2020 10: 26 New
    +3
    Sincere confession softens the punishment, but not the term of imprisonment.
    1. dSK
      dSK 26 February 2020 18: 45 New
      0
      13 June 2017 year Zamoskvoretsky court of Moscow found Reimer guilty (theft of 2,7 billion rubles) , and sentenced him to 8 years in prison. The court also deprived him of the rank of Colonel General and imposed a fine of 800 thousand rubles. On November 22, the Moscow City Court Criminal Board exempted Reimer from paying a fine, leaving the rest of the sentence of the Zamoskvoretsky court unchanged. To serve his sentence, he was transferred to the Kaliningrad region, in the colony he worked as a librarian. The decision of the Central District Court of Kaliningrad from 20 February 2020 of the year released on parole.
  6. bandabas
    bandabas 27 February 2020 13: 47 New
    0
    And why the specifics? Even if it is, those in power will do everything for themselves beloved. They are masters at that.
  7. Whalebone
    Whalebone 29 February 2020 13: 11 New
    +1
    It is necessary to solve the issue with the authorities. From her all the troubles. The author is naive as a Chukchi youth or pretends:
    "It seems to me that even President Vladimir Putin did not expect such activity from the Russians. And the proposals themselves already concern not only the originally identified issues, but also the very essence of the Constitution."
    The author is unaware that all the amendments Putin needs have been written long ago. The circus show on April 22 will be "legalized". And he can write another dozen articles and tell gullible apologists that someone cares about their opinion. Those who are not 20 years old enough to understand what this regime is, nothing will help them - let them continue to consume propaganda and shout hurray.
  • DMB 75
    DMB 75 26 February 2020 08: 34 New
    13
    Putin signed decrees to toughen punishments for organized crime, for accidents with a drunk driver, and others. What about terrorists of the same age? What to do with pedophiles recidivists?

    Shoot terrorists with pedophiles like mad dogs. And what about thieves who steal easier thanks to mitigation of economic crimes? Let them steal billions from the people's pocket even further, while we catch drunk drivers and ambush small crooks? crime, otherwise everything that remains is stolen and taken abroad.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 26 February 2020 08: 36 New
      15
      Quote: DMB 75
      But what about thieves who steal more easily thanks to mitigations in economic crimes? Let them steal in billions from the people's pocket,

      To equate with terrorists and pedophiles ..
      1. Air force
        Air force 26 February 2020 09: 17 New
        14
        I agree with you that economic crimes on a large and especially large scale, incriminate as undermining national security. And consider cases from this point of view. The supreme measure will certainly not be introduced (they still look back at the European community, which honestly turns into a community of perverts, perverting literally everything, physiology, morals, memory, history, institutions, etc.), but at least terms of imprisonment, you need equal to the terms of the terrorists. PS Although if we are completely equal to the West, as the liberals love, then we can take the "lamp of democracy" as a basis and use the electric chair, well, or injections, or terms of 170 years of strict regime in the aggregate of articles.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 26 February 2020 09: 26 New
          +8
          Quote: Air Force
          Of course, they will not introduce the highest measure (they still look back at the European community,

          And look around at the United States! There is still a Capital Measure and it is being applied. And the European community is silent, "for some reason"
          1. Air force
            Air force 26 February 2020 09: 42 New
            +4
            And I'm just in the postscript (PS) on the "lamp of democracy" and look back wink , well, I suggest that you can take their punishment system into service, and all those who are dissatisfied say so we are equal to the "city of Washington". And the fact that Europe is silent, because she is married to "Uncle Sam", "husband and wife are one Satan" as they say, she was not ordered to open her mouth against her husband, she was allowed to pretend to be strong and independent, for the time being, of course.
    2. Levius RU
      Levius RU 26 February 2020 08: 48 New
      -1
      The problem with pedophilia is that any man driving in an elevator with a lady will automatically become a pedophile. And to prove the opposite ..... Impossible.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 26 February 2020 09: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: Levius RU
        The problem with pedophilia is that any man driving in an elevator with a lady will automatically become a pedophile. And to prove the opposite ..... Impossible.
        Reply

        sperm can not be scattered! smile
      2. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 26 February 2020 09: 22 New
        +8
        Levius RU (Levius RU)
        The problem with pedophilia
        Pedophilia is kind of like when with children, not with older ladies, no?
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 26 February 2020 09: 24 New
          -2
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          not with older ladies, no?

          is this a tragedy for the ladies? smile
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 26 February 2020 09: 28 New
            +8
            aybolyt678 (aybolyt678)
            is this a tragedy for the ladies? smile
            For some, of course, tragedy. Men really are not enough for everyone. So love is evil, you will love and you know who ... lol
            1. g1washntwn
              g1washntwn 26 February 2020 12: 06 New
              +2
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              Men really are not enough for everyone.

              Men enough. Ladies lack how much ALL these men earn. laughing
  • svp67
    svp67 26 February 2020 08: 37 New
    +4
    So the question for the national referendum on amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation simply needs to be included in the ballot. More precisely, two bulletins must be prepared at once. “On Amending the Constitution of the Russian Federation” and “On Amending the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation”.
    Let's decide everything with the first principle - with the Constitution, but after what changes have taken place it is necessary to decide on the rest. "You shouldn't run in front of the daddy into peklo ..."
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 26 February 2020 09: 09 New
      +1
      And dad ce hto? Yeltsin number 2? The Constitution is also being whipped up.
      1. svp67
        svp67 26 February 2020 09: 12 New
        +5
        Quote: Gardamir
        And dad ce hto?

        And then uncle, at the skin deer ...
        Quote: Gardamir
        The Constitution is also being whipped up.

        When the country has a debt of 50 billion, it has to hurry to somehow "protect" from "creditors", but will it help? Not sure
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 26 February 2020 09: 19 New
          0
          That neem is my dad. This one who does not give his own, and started to change the constitution quickly, I definitely do not dad.
          So daddy.
          1. svp67
            svp67 26 February 2020 09: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: Gardamir
            So daddy.

            Well, that is not godfather
          2. Arlen
            Arlen 26 February 2020 09: 34 New
            +9
            Quote: Gardamir
            That neem my dad

            Quote: Gardamir
            So daddy.

            Maybe not a dad, but a stepfather?
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 26 February 2020 09: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      Let's decide everything with the fundamental principle - with the Constitution

      With the fundamental principle - Ideology!
      1. svp67
        svp67 26 February 2020 09: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: aybolyt678
        With the fundamental principle - Ideology!

        And this should be spelled out in the Constitution. Now, according to her, any ideology at the state level is FORBIDDEN
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 26 February 2020 09: 44 New
          0
          Quote: svp67
          Now, according to her, any ideology at the state level is FORBIDDEN

          But what about patriotism at the level of the president?
        2. dSK
          dSK 26 February 2020 18: 59 New
          0
          Quote: svp67
          any ideology, at the state level, is FORBIDDEN

          A working group on the preparation of amendments to the Constitution proposed a nationwide vote on amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation 22 April. The initiative was voiced by the co-chair of the working group, Senator Andrei Klishas. at a meeting of the rabgroup with Vladimir Putin.
          - April 22 - the birthday of "grandfather Lenin".
  • BAI
    BAI 26 February 2020 08: 37 New
    15
    Over 225 years of the existence of the US Constitution, 23 amendments to 7 articles have been made to it. We have 600 - these are no longer amendments, this is a new constitution. And who knows these 600 amendments? On hearing - 5 (as they said on TV yesterday), personally I can name only 2: the integrity of the territory and the indexation of pensions. What will be stretched under the flag of these 2 (5) amendments? Nobody will object to integrity. If they are allowed in one package, and most likely they will, then the generally acceptable "locomotive" will hold out narrowly selfish interests.
    1. DMB 75
      DMB 75 26 February 2020 09: 01 New
      11
      Big fears about this. God is in the details (territorial integrity, the Prohibition of foreign citizenship or a foreign residence permit for government officials,
      regular indexation of pensions, consolidation in the main law of the status of Russia as a country that won the Second World War, especially in connection with the attempts of a number of states to rewrite history), and the devil is in the little things. Nobody knows what these "little things" will be, but the unknown always more frightening.
      We will be able to express our attitude to the amendments only to all amendments at once. No one is against indexing pensions and revising the results of the Second World War, is that right? F no one knows what the rest will go under these banners. Yes, and all this hasty fuss is also not like.
    2. svp67
      svp67 26 February 2020 09: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: BAI
      Over the 225 years of the existence of the US Constitution, 23 amendments were made to it in 7 articles.

      And it's no secret that our current Constitution was written with the American and with the help of American specialists and advisers, so we will now amend "their" Constitution and introduce
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 26 February 2020 08: 41 New
    +6
    So the question for the national referendum on amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation simply needs to be included in the ballot. More precisely, two bulletins must be prepared at once. “On Amending the Constitution of the Russian Federation” and “On Amending the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation”.

    the whole thing is that along with the right things, you have to vote for political twists ... in one bottle, so to speak. By voting for good things, we will also subscribe to twists. sad
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 26 February 2020 08: 51 New
      +9
      Quote: aybolyt678
      So the question for the national referendum on amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation simply needs to be included in the ballot. More precisely, two bulletins must be prepared at once. “On Amending the Constitution of the Russian Federation” and “On Amending the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation”.

      the whole thing is that along with the right things, you have to vote for political twists ... in one bottle, so to speak. By voting for good things, we will also subscribe to twists. sad

      That's it, the voting format is not yet clear .. you need to vote not in a package, but directly on the points .. And you definitely need information for citizens, with explanations for what and why they decided to change .. Now they will discuss it quickly and quietly, then they will put it out just as quickly to the vote .. where there are a lot of people interpreting I am against Putin being Elbasy or chairman of the State Council, which, in essence, will be over the president ...
  • Far B
    Far B 26 February 2020 08: 42 New
    +7
    Changes to the codes, including the Criminal Code, can be made in the working order, there is no need to overload the "plebiscite" with this, I suspect, they will try to push through the amendments to the Constitution in batch, because there are "too many proposals."
    In fact, the same attempts at lynching citizens against criminals would have been at least if the courts worked normally, if there was an understanding of the inevitability of punishment, if the law enforcement system worked normally. And then, from the latter, the former head of the Federal Penitentiary Service was released on parole: "Alexander Reimer was sentenced in 2017 to eight years in prison for fraud in the purchase of electronic bracelets for those under investigation. The ex-head of the Federal Penitentiary Service was accused of embezzling almost 3 billion rubles." Uncle did not serve half the term. It is understandable - he stole nothing at all ...
    So we do not need changes in the Criminal Code, but changes in the minds of those who "work tirelessly" in the law enforcement system.
  • kit88
    kit88 26 February 2020 09: 02 New
    12
    Changes to the Criminal Code must be made by understanding the ileology.
    For example, the USSR was a socialist state and mercilessly fought against the theft of precisely socialist property, and was generally put to the wall for buying dollars.
    Now we have wild capitalism and the Criminal Code, and the entire penal system is extremely loyal to all kinds of billions of embezzlement, money laundering and withdrawal from the country, but they turn their hands revealingly for a lit cigarette in the wrong place.
    We must first decide who we are and what we want, and then edit the Criminal Code.
  • rudolff
    rudolff 26 February 2020 09: 07 New
    +8
    I did not understand the issue. Make specific changes to the Criminal Code for a referendum or change the procedure itself through a referendum. And I did not understand about the president, what decrees are meant?
    The Criminal Code is the law. Accepted by the Duma. Any changes and additions to the law are also laws. All questions to our deputies, whom we ourselves elect. The circle of eligible legislative initiatives is known.
  • Charik
    Charik 26 February 2020 09: 13 New
    +4
    Or toughen the punishment for the use of force against government officials? Here, exactly the opposite, a representative of the government
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 26 February 2020 09: 16 New
    +5
    Again, people are divided.
    Those who are for Russia agree to change the Constitution, but not in a hurry so that the changes would be of use to the country.
    And those who are for power are in a hurry. Sprinkled guano with sugar, eat do not get covered.
    1. Arlen
      Arlen 26 February 2020 09: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: Gardamir
      Again, people are divided.

      The people have long been divided among us. On the one hand, oligarchs and officials, on the other, ordinary people.
      Quote: Gardamir
      agree to amend the Constitution,

      Moreover, the Constitution should be completely changed, and no amendments should be introduced.
  • Departure
    Departure 26 February 2020 09: 59 New
    +3
    Regarding the amendments to the Criminal Code ... a couple of months ago I met an article which said that retroactively introduced amendments that exempt officials from criminal liability for payment of the amount of proved damage. I did not check the authenticity, maybe a duck, but I won’t be surprised at all if this is so. In any case, a change in uk is only half the battle. We need people in power who are able to take advantage of these changes. With modern technologies, it’s not a problem to track any tranche to the regions, the costs of a grant or a project from a bank to the pocket of a simple worker, just like calculating the size of rollbacks up at each transshipment point, only who is doing it? Too deeply, corruption has struck our lives, and unfortunately there is only one solution to the problem
    1. pogis
      pogis 26 February 2020 10: 38 New
      +3
      And judge embezzlers, as for treason.
    2. depressant
      depressant 26 February 2020 10: 55 New
      +3
      Yes, colleague, unfortunately, I also met this in the proposed amendments. Returned the stolen and free. This speaks not only of the massive entrenchment of corruption in our lives, but also of the weak ability of the authorities to resist it. It is believed that Putin lacks power. But he needs the State Council not to fight corruption, but to fight the "democratic" government, which objects to him, incompetently fails his national projects. And also to fight the opposing group of oligarchs who don’t invest a single ruble in Russia, he is trying to force them to invest. So, corruption is still the tenth thing for him, although there are shifts, but extremely weak. Only there is a doubt that, having received the State Council at his disposal, Putin will be able to do something really. It would not have turned out that the State Council is a way to avoid responsibility for the lack of timely applied will.
      1. Departure
        Departure 26 February 2020 12: 55 New
        +2
        I'm afraid that only regime change and repression will help. When I read the news like "They detained a gang that has been for 10 years ... and further, active members of the gang, as well as the head of the police, the head of the city, the judge who passed acquittals during these 10 years, were shot, the property was confiscated. including close relatives ", for me this will be the first steps in the right direction, which in fact need to be done a lot in all spheres of life. these are people who directly by their action or inaction participated in the crimes of this gang, and the fact that they were not punished is an indicator for me. for corruption crimes with embezzlement in millions, I generally consider it senseless to endure anything other than execution, tk. it is clear that the jacket will buy itself both early freedom and an apartment on the territory of the colony and crabs with caviar. it is necessary to make the theft process senseless and dangerous, and the fact that now it is half measures.
    3. Den717
      Den717 26 February 2020 13: 07 New
      -1
      Quote: departure
      Did not authenticate

      Or maybe it's better to check first, and then refer?
      Quote: departure
      With modern technology, tracking any tranche to the regions, spending on a grant or project from the bank to the pocket of a simple worker is not a problem, as well as calculating the size of kickbacks

      You probably think that there you will see transfers directly to the bribe taker account? Well, damn it, you give!
      Quote: departure
      Too deeply, corruption has struck our lives, and unfortunately there is only one solution to the problem

      Which one? Give a recipe, and they will pray for you, like THEM in all corners of the world. Corruption, as it is not fought in different countries, is characteristic of any consumer society. It is present to one degree or another everywhere. Somewhere more, somewhere less. But note, recently, by creating an electronic service and video recording, the government is actively reducing the communication of an ordinary person with a functionary in the most bribe-intensive and resonant spheres. Those. struggling. And if by this "one" you mean the capital punishment, then we already had this, somewhere and now we have it, so what? influenced? Has it somehow re-educated us? Just as the citizen of Russia tried to show off his prosperity, so that everyone would be envious, he is striving today. And even in those areas where they seem to be campaigning for modesty and non-acquisitiveness ... There is no simple solution to this problem. This is a complex task for any society, except for the tribes somewhere in central Africa, which even today harvest their game with spears for food. But there are leaders, there are "simple" ones. And their lives are different ... laughing
      1. Departure
        Departure 26 February 2020 14: 27 New
        +1
        I have already answered your last paragraph above. Regarding the "check", I did not refer to anything and immediately warned that I was not sure of the reliability. Further, our corporate consultant opened, I quote "SZ RF 2016 # 27. The amendments that entered into force expanded the scope of application of the provisions of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation concerning the release of persons from criminal liability for crimes in the field of economic activity, if the guilty person compensated for the damage .. (..) and transferred a certain compensation to the budget "the old law of 2011 is being corrected, as I understand it, these amendments have expanded it. Will such a link suit you? further you can search for more details yourself if you wish.
        1. Den717
          Den717 26 February 2020 14: 42 New
          0
          Quote: departure
          would such a link suit you?

          Of course not ... I'm happy with:
          "..... Article 61. Circumstances mitigating punishment
          1. The following shall be recognized as extenuating circumstances: ....... k) the provision of medical and other assistance to the victim immediately after the commission of the crime, voluntary compensation for property damage and non-pecuniary damage caused as a result of a crime, other actions aimed at redressing harm, caused to the victim ...... "or
          "... Article 178. Restriction of Competition
          (in the edition of the Federal Law from 08.03.2015 N 45-FZ)
          (in the edition of the Federal Law from 29.07.2009 N 216-FZ)

          .... 3. A person who has committed a crime under this article shall be exempted from criminal liability, if it was the first among the accomplices of a crime to voluntarily report this crime, actively contributed to its disclosure and / or investigation, compensated for the damage caused by this crime or otherwise made amends for the damage caused and if its actions do not contain a different corpus delicti.
          (notes as amended by the Federal Law of 08.03.2015 N 45-FZ) .... "

          Or something similar...
          1. Departure
            Departure 26 February 2020 17: 13 New
            0
            Ok, let's understand further. Once you have looked at article 61, then look at 76.1 at the same time ... the guarantor refers to it by the way. "Exemption from criminal liability in cases of crimes in the sphere of economic activity". Again, as I understand it, in 2011 it was introduced only for entrepreneurs, incl. "talented" wives, children and relatives, and now it can be applied more widely.
            And again, returning to article 61, what punishment should be mitigated if article 76.1, as amended, has already been released from it?)
            1. Den717
              Den717 26 February 2020 18: 48 New
              -1
              Quote: departure
              . Since you looked at article 61, then look at 76.1 at the same time ... the guarantor refers to it and refers by the way.

              Another conversation. He took a triple gave a tag. This is even more possible fines. And this is only for who, for the first time ..... Do you want everyone to the wall ...? Apparently, you are a crystal honest man, an angel in the flesh. Didn’t you take away the eraser from work?
              1. Departure
                Departure 26 February 2020 19: 05 New
                +1
                all of course will not work, you yourself wrote a good phrase "one shot - others are afraid." Rough, but does not change the essence of the matter. Answering your question, yes, of course, I also offer those who are new to the wall. The reason has already been voiced above, by the time of this first capture, a person will steal so much that he and his relatives will be enough for a comfortable stay and subsequent old age, the tower deprives all of this sense by half at least, and money cannot buy a second life.
                Answering your second question about the eraser, I have one good American who loves to travel to us and compare, and so, he spoke well on this score: "What is the difference between the laws of America and Russian? In that if there you observe all the laws and rules, then most likely you will be fine, but in Russia, on the contrary, the more laws you follow, the greater the chance of being in the ass "Well, one cannot but quote Deripaska" In this country only fools pay taxes ")
                1. Den717
                  Den717 26 February 2020 19: 09 New
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                  Quote: departure
                  in Russia, on the contrary, the more laws you comply with, the greater the chance of being in the ass "Well, one cannot but quote Deripaska" In this country, only fools pay taxes ")

                  You, as I understand it, are smart? What are you doing here if everything is so joyless? laughing
                  1. Departure
                    Departure 26 February 2020 19: 35 New
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                    I had a similar conversation quite recently, too, with a member of the forum here and it ended in almost the same way, "What have you achieved?" Why is everything bleak? I'm fine, but this does not change everything that I wrote above, does it?
      2. Departure
        Departure 26 February 2020 14: 32 New
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        Yes, once we had it and at that time it was undoubtedly an effective measure. What is there now? life-long? who was awarded such a high honor from the embezzlers? You are right, for 30 years we have been re-educated and this task is "polysyllabic," I agree. You are right, now they are trying to show their income, but before what was it expressed and what impact did it have on the economy in general? I remember that they could have slapped into the glass balcony ... bourgeois possessive instincts, so to speak ...
        1. Den717
          Den717 26 February 2020 14: 53 New
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          Quote: departure
          I remember, for a glazed balcony they could slap ... bourgeois possessive instincts, so to speak ...

          It is not entirely accurate how today they can be slapped for this, if restrictions are imposed on it by the city authorities. And not for "possessive instincts" at all, but for violating the scale of the facade, approved by the NLA.
          Quote: departure
          when we had it and at that time it was undoubtedly an effective measure.

          There is still debate about the effectiveness of those measures and cannot come to a common conclusion. This is just an everyday opinion that is not based on anything, such as "no man - no problem" or "one was shot - others were scared." And for some reason they were not afraid before and today they are not afraid. Neither here nor in China ...
          1. Departure
            Departure 26 February 2020 17: 22 New
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            Yes, you’re right, today they can also warm up behind the balcony, however, today they are building huge cottages according to individual projects, taking into account all the vagaries, the scale has changed.
            The effectiveness of measures, of course, will be disputed by) officials, dishonest businessmen and the media under their control :) no doubt. we are not afraid, but is there really something to be afraid of? China probably felt the full effectiveness of the measures, made statistics and uses knowledge for the good, I'm sure of that. And corruption was and will be everywhere, the only question is the scale, which again has changed.
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier 26 February 2020 10: 31 New
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    I heard in a minibus talking on this subject 2 pretty good guys.

    During the discussion, they agreed that Putin was there (in any edition) more than enough just one article: "After the end of the presidency, the president is not subject to any court"...
    And all the other changes are just for show, like "the will of the people."

    The most interesting thing is that the people in the minibus listened to their conversation and, judging by the faces, completely agreed with them ...
    1. Den717
      Den717 26 February 2020 13: 11 New
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      Quote: Brigadier
      I heard in a minibus talking on this subject 2 pretty good guys.

      Well, minibus, yes! This is not VTsIOM or Levada. This is a true source of proven knowledge cutting public opinion. laughing
  • Dizel200
    Dizel200 26 February 2020 10: 44 New
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    since such a booze went, get a cucumber)))) then everything is absolutely necessary to change, the people are not upset
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 26 February 2020 10: 53 New
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    Together with amendments to the Constitution, the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation must also be changed.
    Do not, deprive the feeders of lawyers. request Will not work. Give the people freedom, so he will introduce just retribution. And where will be "on the one hand, and on the other hand" and who will give more. Now the law, that the pole, where he turned, went there. So they twirl.
    What to do with pedophiles recidivists?
    And here is a recidivist? In full, at a time! Punishing officials is tougher than ordinary citizens. Especially from the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the prosecutor's office, there is arbitrariness there most of all.
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 26 February 2020 11: 52 New
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    How familiar everything is. And earlier too ... voting ... block of party and non-party ... one candidate! Strongly needed business? Is every citizen relevant and topical? Many read this very constitution ???
    But the changes concerning EVERY Russian citizen passed INSTANTLY ... without any kind of slander. We drove a pensioner ...
  • Den717
    Den717 26 February 2020 12: 48 New
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    “On Amending the Constitution of the Russian Federation” and “On Amending the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation”.

    And why fence this garden? Amendments to the Criminal Code do not need a referendum. The piling up of the popular vote with other issues will only drag out the time for its holding. This is such an indirect sabotage. And there is no need to appeal here with the concepts of "better - worse", here it can only be "legal - illegal".
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 26 February 2020 15: 31 New
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    I can’t say anything about the constitution. Although there are questions about employment. Many require lowering the age of punishment. Perhaps this is right if we are convinced that we have exhausted all possibilities. The image of a policeman with a baton begins to be drawn in society. the police do not want this. But society requires it. And in all cases we refer to the USA. They also found an example for me. You can take a lot from the past. We don’t smile at all in a society where bans will prevail over permissions.
  • akunin
    akunin 26 February 2020 15: 42 New
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    So why not combine the referendum on the Constitution with the referendum on changing the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?
    the author is not aware that a referendum on the constitution is not planned? there will be a plebiscite (God forgive me) - a poll that does not have an obligation to fulfill? there will be 1 question: "agree with the entire package of amendments?", or maybe I agree with one amendment? we accept significant changes to the basic law
    Such questions, dear ambassador, are not resolved with a condachka. We need to consult with comrades, stop by for a week.
    remembering the classics.
  • Tomich3
    Tomich3 26 February 2020 15: 50 New
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    Changes to the Criminal Code are introduced in the usual manner through the State Duma and no referendum is required. If there is no legal education, why do you write about it at all, not knowing the basic principles of jurisprudence. In this case, Putin signs not decrees, but changes to this or that law. Another victim of the exam.
  • Xambo
    Xambo 26 February 2020 16: 50 New
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    The introduction of the death penalty for treason and theft on an especially large scale ..! That's for this, I think people will simply rush to vote .. And everything else is secondary and balobolstvo.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 26 February 2020 16: 59 New
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    I already listen to "debates on amendments to the Constitution." Live Stream. I feel dumb. For 40 minutes I have been catching myself thinking that I can’t concentrate - what blah-blah-blah, interspersed with praises to the Guarantor, which, in his place, I would ask not to read out loud, so as not to waste time, in response to which Grant warmly thanks the toast, oh, that is, the speaker ...
    In 1977, I was still a schoolboy, I still remember - Brezhnev spoke for a long and tedious period, and what amendments - he gave the peoples the new Constitution. And then, given the fact that it was difficult to listen to late Brezhnev, the main idea was somehow understandable: a new stage - we built developed socialism.
    Now what have we built? Years have almost passed since the 36th to the 77th, especially taking into account the terrible war.
    But they built something that we ourselves cannot explain, or at least call a spade a spade. A plutocratic society that is on guard for those who are bolder, greedier and who have a dad from St. Petersburg? Policeman from Voronezh with 22 apartments? Profane dignitaries at the head of everything and everything, including health and space? Gryzlov at the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Golikov in healthcare? Serdyukov at the Moscow Region? So after all, this is a parochialism that Ivan the Terrible and Peter I overcame !!! and now - what, again?
    We have to start with this. What are we, who are we and what do we want? The "welfare state" does not feed as a carrot, especially since it is so strongly compromised by our existence, and it is suitable as a way of living together, but it cannot be a unifying idea.
  • Wanderer039
    Wanderer039 27 February 2020 00: 49 New
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    It is quite obvious that the death penalty must be imposed, with the confiscation of property, for: serial killers, leaders of the organized crime group and ordinary bandits, terrorists and their accomplices, treason to the motherland, theft on an especially large scale, the manufacture of fake drugs, fake alcohol, the manufacture of obviously harmful to health products (causing cancer and other serious illnesses), drugs, to cancel all restrictions of self-defense, all consequences should lie exclusively with the attacker (s).
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  • kosovvskiy
    kosovvskiy 27 February 2020 01: 20 New
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    The existing criminal code is out of date twenty years ago. Many articles are duplicated, a textbook example of car theft. Many, on the contrary, have too broad an interpretation, for example, fraud, under which you can generally bring a bunch of compositions, sometimes more difficult.

    Separate articles for cybercrime have long been needed.

    The criminal code should be fully reviewed, and not cosmetic changes made to it under the guise of.
  • Levius RU
    Levius RU 27 February 2020 05: 14 New
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    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    Levius RU (Levius RU)
    The problem with pedophilia
    Pedophilia is kind of like when with children, not with older ladies, no?

    Anyone can be blamed for harassment and pedophilia. It is impossible to prove the opposite. Read about juvenile in Russia a couple of years ago.
  • depressant
    depressant 27 February 2020 08: 02 New
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    Mr. Staver!
    Amendments on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation passed by the discussion. Please give an article.