Investigation in the Netherlands: Witness personalities in MH17 will remain secret

An international investigation team working on the MH17 case spoke out on testimony. Recall that a few days ago in the Netherlands announced the presence of witnesses who allegedly saw the time of the attack on the Malaysian Boeing.

The Dutch press issued materials stating that the witnesses “recorded the fact of the launch of an air defense missile system from a territory that was not controlled by Kiev in July 2014”.

Now it turns out that the Dutch investigation has 13 witnesses in this high-profile case. And, as expected, nothing will be reported about these “witnesses”.

From a report by representatives of the investigation team:

Their lives may be at significant risk, so the identities of 13 witnesses will remain secret.

All this fits into the option that has become familiar to the collective West: “we have evidence, but we will not show them to you, because they are secret.” In this case, there is a slightly different interpretation: “there is a threat to the life and health of witnesses, therefore we will limit ourselves to providing their testimonies, and nobody needs to know who they are.”

Against this background, the press of the Netherlands reported that from 2014 to 2019 these “witnesses” did not give any evidence. And only a few months ago, "they started talking in the case of a downed plane."

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[svp67]

Now it turns out that the Dutch investigation has 13 witnesses in this high-profile case. And, as expected, nothing will be reported about these “witnesses”.

Well, everything, I have no doubt about the "success" of this "trial" ... Long live the Dutch court, the most "fair and humane" in the world ... Where the guilty are appointed IN ADVANCE

[novel66]

somehow everything is monotonous, as the specifics are so secret

[Uncle lee]

a few months ago, "they started talking in the case of a downed plane."

before that they did not know anything about this plane!
Roma

[novel66]

Volodya yes we know these witnesses

[cniza]

Did we expect something else? But I think that we have a "home" preparation ...

[Grits]

Quote: cniza

But I think that we have a "home" preparation ...

The homework must be exactly the same. That we have 2 thousand witnesses who saw how a rocket took off from a territory of a ruin and carried an airplane. But, as witnesses fear for their lives, we will only show the printed text of their testimony.
Let then these "judges" and "prosecutors" make a stupid face or try to oppose something.

[cniza]

The homework must be exactly the same. That we have 2 thousand witnesses

We are not so primitive, we stand on the truth ...

[Grits]

Quote: cniza

We are not so primitive, we stand on the truth ...

What's the point? Who needs our truth in the west? They don’t want to listen to her. Therefore, one must act in the same way as they - bulging their eyes, to fool all kinds of nonsense, sincerely believing in their words.

[cniza]

What's the point? Who needs our truth in the west?

True, she is a draw.
There will be no truth, there will be no Russia, that's why ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: cniza

We are not so primitive, we stand on the truth ..

To live with wolves ...

[cniza]

In this case, it is not appropriate, “a soldier will never offend a child, a woman or an old man,” this is figuratively, but in terms of meaning, we do not become like them.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Strange, the JIT themselves did not hear anything that their representatives "now" made a "report" about 13 witnesses. The latest news is about the "60 minutes" program, where it was said that there were witnesses (in an unnamed number), and from that moment there was nothing new.

https://twitter.com/jitmh17

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: cniza

Did we expect something else? But I think that we have a "home" preparation ...

As Anatoly Wasserman said yesterday, given how "witnesses" are stamped in the West for momentary interest, there is no problem to buy a couple of dozen "witnesses" who will give opposite testimony.
All this "secrecy" stupidly kills the institution of testimony and makes justice a judgment seat. In principle, those who for 5 years deliberately "led the investigation" along the wrong path in order to remove the true culprits from responsibility are themselves criminals and they will never recognize another result different from the one that was promoted initially, because then they should already sit on the bench defendants.

[cniza]

those who for 5 years knowingly "led the investigation" along the wrong path in order to remove the true culprits from responsibility are themselves criminals

Now, this must be implemented.

[Olgovich]

Quote: novel xnumx

somehow everything is monotonous

Recruit "witnesses" for the grandmother and citizenship Holland (you see!) And it turns out naturally like this:

"I, I am a witness! What happened ?!" (c) ("Beware of the car")

[svp67]

Quote: Olgovich

They recruit "witnesses" for grandmothers and Dutch citizenship (you'll see!) And it turns out, of course, like this:

Yes, it really is ... after all, who could have seen it, only local residents, and there they all know each other, and you just have to give the names and surnames of these, with the permission to name "witnesses", it will immediately become clear how they became them and for what...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Olgovich

Recruit "witnesses" for the grandmother and citizenship Holland (see!)

We will not see:

identity of witnesses will remain secret

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Honestly not even funny: not funny because they confidently feed it to the public. Trouble

[Grits]

Quote: novel xnumx

somehow everything is monotonous, as the specifics are so secret

Bored, girls ...

[figwam]

In their private club, it’s customary to take a word, it’s a game of cards. After that, we will provide evidence of five hundred witnesses who will claim that the rocket is fired by the outskirts.

[vkl.47]

As expected, Jehovah's mythical witnesses.

[svp67]

Quote: vkl.47

mythical witnesses of Jehovah.

It’s not a pity, but physically they are real

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

Long live the Dutch court, the most "fair and humane" in the world ... Where the guilty are appointed in advance

It is time for a Dutch court to arrange a court.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Not everything is so simple. The fact that the launch was from the territory controlled by the militias did not say:

The Dutch press issued materials stating that the witnesses “recorded the fact of the launch of an air defense missile system from a territory that was not controlled by Kiev in July 2014”.

Further. Of

From a report by representatives of the investigation team:

Their lives may be at significant risk, so the identities of 13 witnesses will remain secret.

it does not follow that the threat to the life of witnesses comes precisely from Russia.
It seems to me that the note is hasty and biased.

[Amateur]

The Dutch prosecutor's office probably heard an anecdote about how Vasily Ivanovich played cards with gentlemen. "Gentlemen take their word for it. Right here, Petka, they flooded my map ..."

[cniza]

In this matter, they can give us a head start.

[Amateur]

they can give us a head start

We have a joke. And they

highly likely

[cniza]

And they live by it, and only in relation to objectionable.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Amateur

We have a joke. And they

They have a perverted reality.

[Gene84]

Likely to prepare witnesses with text for their future speeches and statements ...

[cniza]

I think they’ve already prepared, soon the trial will begin ...

[Grits]

Quote: Gene84

Likely to prepare witnesses with text for their future speeches and statements ...

Only they will perform in a spacesuit.

[don-1500]

Yesterday someone wrote correctly here, let them come to their place and show. Traces of powder gases will remain on the soil even after 6 years. Let the launch site show. My version is the pilot Voloshin

[Santa Fe]

My version is the pilot Voloshin

Then what kind of experts are sitting in DIAMOND-ANTEE

One hundred reports were made, could not distinguish the hit of a beech from an air-to-air missile

[Crystal of Truth]

Yes, and the Ministry of Defense, which boasted of a form for a rocket from a beech from Dolgoprudny))
Also apparently do not understand where that

[CERBERFOL]

There is one more, it seems to me the most believable. MH17 is actually a corpse truck carrying the corpses of a downed Boeing Amer over the Indian Ocean. The very one that disappeared without a trace. The shorter base

[Crystal of Truth]

In how. Original)

[Piramidon]

Quote: CERBERFOL

MH17 is actually a corpse truck carrying the corpses of a downed Boeing Amer over the Indian Ocean. The very one that disappeared without a trace.

However, you twisted the plot. Collect the unmarked corpses from the trackless aircraft in the ocean, load them into the radio-controlled MN-17 (the crew should not be hurt) and send it on flight. Bradbury and Clark are resting.

[CERBERFOL]

Well, you have a fantasy! The battleship "Men". Destroyer, Boeing Meddoc shot down in 1983, Boeings on September 11 were also on radio control ?! The Boin that disappeared into the Pacific Ocean was not necessarily torn to pieces over the deepest point. Figs knows what happened there, but if you look at who was profitable. It was profitable for the United States to dump the world's 1st airline, undermining the authority of its Boeings falling one after another. Of course it's beneficial. So it's highly likely that the CIA is involved

[Piramidon]

Quote: CERBERFOL

Well, you have a fantasy! The battleship "Men". Destroyer, Boeing Meddoc shot down in 1983, Boeings on September 11 were also on radio control ?! The Boin that disappeared into the Pacific Ocean was not necessarily torn to pieces over the deepest point. Figs knows what happened there, but if you look at who was profitable. It was profitable for the United States to dump the world's 1st airline, undermining the authority of its Boeings falling one after another. Of course it's beneficial. So it's highly likely that the CIA is involved

You yourself believe in what you wrote?

MH17 is actually a corpse truck carrying the corpses of a downed Boeing Amer over the Indian Ocean.

Yeah. Bullshit gathered fish swollen corpses in the ocean to load onto a plane and send to Donbass.

[CERBERFOL]

The bloated corpses united by fish are just that case when planes fall by accident and it is not known where. news2.ru/story/424321/ "New inconvenient facts of the Boeing MH-17 crash in the Donbas on July 17th." and "The crash of the Boeing 777 in Ukraine, hushed up versions"

[CERBERFOL]

Corpses are still so flowers, but I’ll set them up with living people, it’s full American

[Moskovit]

Immediately remembered the immortal:

[Astartes]

Russia for them is guilty of what exists, the West has been our enemy throughout history.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Astartes

Russia for them is guilty of what exists, the West has been our enemy throughout history.

Who are the judges?

[rocket757]

All this fits into the option that has become familiar to the collective West: “we have evidence, but we will not show them to you, because they are secret.”

By such criteria .... but not the criteria there, everybody muds up, that's all the consequence.

[askort154]

Their lives may be at significant risk, so the identities of 13 witnesses will remain secret.

But one thing, and the most important witness, we know. His last name is Obama.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: askort154

But one thing, and the most important witness, we know. His last name is Obama.

Again mysticism, again the number "13" surfaced, it's all strange.

[sergo1914]

Witnesses of the launch of an air defense missile system? Do these witnesses distinguish missile launches from ICBMs or MLRS?

[Crystal of Truth]

And there are many in Ukraine Ukraine

[carstorm 11]

so this is the question) how do they distinguish launching missiles, for example from launching firecrackers?))) whether or not this is the tenth matter.

[Crystal of Truth]

And you distinguish the launch of missiles from firecrackers?

[Crystal of Truth]

And then where did you get the idea that they only saw the launch? Maybe they saw a beech drive there, then a start, and then a drive back ..

[Oleg1263]

Quote: Crystal of Truth

Maybe they saw a beech drive there, then a start, and then a drive back ..

Or maybe they didn’t see anything .....

[Crystal of Truth]

Everyone believes in what he wants ..

[sergo1914]

L - logic. If Buk went there, He stayed in the area for some time, and then went back. At the same time, in this area, "witnesses" saw the launch of a "rocket". Obviously Buk was shooting? Famously.

[Crystal of Truth]

Well, no, of course .. Beech drove, let the firecrackers crew (the commander had the day) and drove back

[musketon64]

//// And then where did you get the idea that they only saw the launch? Maybe they saw a beech drive
there, then start and then drive back ////

Against this background, the Dutch press reports that from 2014 to 2019 these "witnesses" did not give any evidence. And only a few months ago "they began to talk about the case of the downed plane." They remembered !!! It remains to be wondered what else they do "remember." Most likely they will help "to remember .." For a small share.

[Crystal of Truth]

If you don’t talk about something, that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t ..

[musketon64]

When there is no "iron" evidence, "fake" witnesses are used. Moreover, they are classified.

[Crystal of Truth]

How do you identify fake witnesses or not?

[musketon64]

And for this they are kept secret, so that it would not be possible to bring these "witnesses" to clean water.

[Crystal of Truth]

Secret investigation .. Have not you heard this?

[musketon64]

What about the presumption of innocence? The culprits are already assigned. Now they are gathering evidence. And this seems to be a problem.

[Crystal of Truth]

Who exactly is guilty? Well ka

[musketon64]

The one who "attacked" Ukraine.

[carstorm 11]

i am yes. I’ve seen about professions many times.

[Avior]

one can hardly seriously say that the start-up of Buk was confused with a firecracker.

noticeably different even for a layman

[sergo1914]

Quote: Avior

one can hardly seriously say that the start-up of Buk was confused with a firecracker.

noticeably different even for a layman

Point and solitary Hurricane. Also dust, rocket and pillar of fire. So what?

[Avior]

Oh, what did I write?

one can hardly seriously say that the start-up of Buk was confused with a firecracker.

It is clear that not everyone will say that it was Buk, and not another rocket of approximately the same size, but they obviously will not confuse it with firecrackers

[Piramidon]

Quote: Avior

one can hardly seriously say that the start-up of Buk was confused with a firecracker.

noticeably different even for a layman

Would no one have noticed such a "fireworks"?

[Avior]

And where is the firecracker? All the same, it does not look like a smoky trace of a missile launch.

[Grits]

Quote: Crystal of Truth

And there are many in Ukraine Ukraine

If these witnesses are outbid, they will say that a lot. And they personally saw how they were launched. Hoh, what do you want ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: sergo1914

Do these witnesses distinguish missile launches from ICBMs or MLRS?

If I were also paid "half a million green" I would agree to witness something.

[Mountain shooter]

I already wrote about this! They will testify secretly, then into the witness protection system and citizenship with content ... On such conditions, only 13 witnesses? Yes, thousands of them can be "recruited" ...!

[Fat]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

I already wrote about this! They will testify secretly, then into the witness protection system and citizenship with content ... On such conditions, only 13 witnesses? Yes, thousands of them can be "recruited" ...!

The Netherlands and the USA are undoubtedly rich countries, but so that a thousand residence permits, even for them a bit too much, but it will look dumb))

[Piramidon]

Quote: Thick

The Netherlands and the United States are undoubtedly rich countries, but for a thousand residence permits, even for them a bit too much

Is printing a green card expensive? No more expensive than a driver’s license.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

They will testify secretly, then to the witness protection system and citizenship with content.

Well, about the secret ballot, we are citizens of the USSR well.

[Retvizan 8]

Well, okay, let's say there was some kind of Buk, there was a missile,
but why do they not present claims such as: "why the hell was this Boeing brought to this place, because in order to get there he obviously left the route"?
And this is the direct responsibility of Ukraine.
Why didn’t the skies fly there at all?

[Crystal of Truth]

The sky was closed to a certain height .. For the DNI did not have beeches

[Pavel73]

For how was the DNR Buk. Abandoned in the air defense unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donetsk. And "non-working", if you believe the message of the Ukrainian press center "ATO" about two weeks before the Boeing crash.

[Pavel73]

There is another, more interesting question. Where is "Buk"? Not once, from the very moment of the Boeing disaster, it has not sounded anywhere either in Ukraine or in the West, although a lot of various other questions have been asked. And "where are the three servicemen of the RF Armed Forces who fired?" And "why did Russia close the airspace in the border areas?", And even "where is the trailer on which the Buk was transported?" They asked about everything, except one - where is this "Buk"? For some reason they don't ask anything about the instrument of the crime. They shriek from him like the devil from incense. This means one of two things: either there was no "Buk", or it was, but Ukrainian.

[Crystal of Truth]

And what about Buk to ask and from whom?

[Pavel73]

Russia. The SBU, headed by Nalyvaichenko, held a briefing less than a day after the disaster. And at this briefing they even showed video footage of "the export of the Buk to Russia." Fantastic efficiency! It means they missed the delivery of the Buk to Ukraine, but the export was immediately filmed and posted. It would be here to demand - we saw that the Beech was taken out to you. Show him! We demand that the main evidence be presented to the investigation - the alleged instrument of the crime! And ... Did anyone squeak about this?

[Crystal of Truth]

And where did you get that you did not demand?

[Pavel73]

And where did you get what you demanded?

[Crystal of Truth]

But I don’t know .. You speak so confidently, so apparently in the know ..

[Pavel73]

My confidence is based on the study of all open materials posted on the network both before and after the Boeing disaster. Dutch report, briefings of the SBU, Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and JIT, official messages of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, as well as the press service of the ATO. No one has ever asked Russia publicly the question "Where is Buk?" and did not demand that he be presented to the investigation. Although they repeated a thousand times, "They were taken to Russia!"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pavel73

There is another, more interesting question. Where is Buk?

Well, everyone knows where the Buk is, but you don't. According to Dutch data, and confirmed by the testimony of citizens of the Square, as well as independent testimony from the democratic media, "BUKI" were and are in the Vladivostok region or Sakhalin. Where did the Boeing attack come from?

[gavrilapetrovi4]

because Putin - what kind of Israeli are we nobody - drained polymers and space

[Adam Khomich]

Is it possible that Voloshin was resurrected and the dispatcher Petrenko came out of vacation for the sixth year? Then who are the remaining 11 "witnesses and eyewitnesses"?

[Adam Khomich]

Quote: svp67

I no longer doubt the "success" of this "trial" ...

Six years of investigation, another six years of trial, and there - either the padishah will die or the donkey will die. Novice 2.0. We stock up on seeds and popcorn

[g1washntwn]

If all witnesses drank from the same container, then their testimony may coincide. Somehow my friends and I "saw" a UFO and all five will confirm. But what a misfortune ... no one had any photos or evidence on smartphones - a clear sky without atmospheric or any other artifacts ...

[Avior]

But do you really know what these 13 turned out to be, if their truth is 13, and not a newspaper duck, on smartphones?
Now most people go with smartphones; taking a picture is a matter of a few seconds.
you never know what, there haven’t shown anything yet, the court, where, as they say, will be shown only in March.
And if they don’t show it, then immediately the question to the witness, why didn’t you remove it? The event was clearly unusual after all, if it was true and he saw it.

[Grits]

Quote: Avior

Now most people go with smartphones; taking a picture is a matter of a few seconds.
you never know what, there haven’t shown anything yet, the court, where, as they say, will be shown only in March.

I won’t be surprised that the launch video will soon appear. Made on smartphone 2019 release.

[Grits]

Quote: g1washntwn

But this is a disaster ... no photos and evidence were found on any smartphones - a clear sky without atmospheric or any other artifacts ...

It's just that all of you have run out of batteries. It happens. especially in Ukraine

[g1washntwn]

It was far in the Northern Urals in the mountains, Gritsa. What batteries or ampoules the SBU used for "witnesses" in Ukraine is unknown to me. Enlighten, maybe you are much closer.

[Grits]

Quote: g1washntwn

maybe you are much closer.

Hardly. I'm closer to the Japanese and North Korea.

[Chingachguk]

Ugh you !!!! Futurologists !!!! It rolled, he dreamed, told, kept secret .... There was contact !!!! The Kremlin is to blame !!!! You give sanctions !!!!
And is that going to bang again?

[gavrilapetrovi4]

boil Che, Genghis killed a lot of people but they really wanted to .. and do not shout !!! when the second lieutenant speaks to you

[Egoza]

"The Invisible Man" is back in fashion! Someone is badly affected by literature

[BAI]

It's a classic: "What happened? I'm a witness!"

[g1washntwn]

Violation of the Site Rules for the item "k" is detected.

[anjey]

It seems like it's time to ban soft drugs in the Netherlands, the local panel of judges are firmly seated on them

[Strashila]

They waited while the director in Hollywood freed himself to remove the lawsuit.

[IvanT]

Ahahahahahaha))) Well, it all became clear! Long live the trial!

[cniza]

Investigation in the Netherlands: Witness personalities in MH17 will remain secret

Classics of recent years ...

[Ros 56]

The Dutch, tie up with drugs, it is very fraught. Well, which of the normal will believe you? On the fence, as in your court, a lot of things will be written, and there is another reality.

[gavrilapetrovi4]

but the truth is one

[gavrilapetrovi4]

Yes, no, do not hush her - since you have to answer

[Bare]

The enemy must be beaten with his own weapon. In politics, it’s impossible to stay clean and fluffy.

[gavrilapetrovi4]

yes you can - if you do not lie to yourself

[gavrilapetrovi4]

"It is impossible to stay clean and fluffy in politics" - for that you will remain alive and dirty and hairy and will fight again

[Bare]

Joke: November month, late evening rain with snow, a man stands at the last stop of the trolley bus. One more fits. They stand nearby. Approaching says:
- that there is no long trolley bus.
First come up:
- Do you want to talk about a trolley bus?

[evgen1221]

Well, after some time, it turns out that those witnesses are Kansas-born and from the Arizona region, with a reading legend of 404. Well, who will be interested in this later after the trial?

[Operator]

In the West, a system for protecting witnesses after testifying in court — plastic surgeries, new documents, changing their place of residence, financing from the budget, security surveillance, etc. — has long been worked out.

Therefore, the use of anonymous "witnesses" in a Dutch court is a receipt from the investigation in the complete absence of material evidence of Russia's involvement in the downing of the Boeing.

[Voltsky]

as far as I remember, the bulk of the witnesses committed suicide in Ukraine with two shots in the back of the head.

[Maks1995]

Surprised by the comments and posts. And to all.
If there are witnesses, do they really think that everyone will be given a name, residence, frames with portraits? relatives interview? Conversations on TV, how famous sports nutrition sellers?

Look, our cheers-media have already found ukro-pilots, and dispatchers that shot down a Boeing ....
AND??? everyone is dead.
The mechanic, it seems, is alive, and you haven’t seen it for a long time ... And the signalman who heard Poroshenko personally call to tag better ....

And on TASS and others it still lies: "The militias of the proclaimed DPR shot down the An-26 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force"

[NF68]

Can you talk to anyone and anyone? Original.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

In general, there are "witnesses", but we will not show them to you! Why? Because the "witnesses" are LIPOV. And the whole thing is sewn with white threads! Shame !!!

[Valery Linde]

How Dutch investigators will explain that the JMA from which the rocket was launched, in their opinion, was Russian, and the missiles hit the aircraft, Ukrainian since 1986, which has been documented.