Project 20380 Corvette Series for Pacific Fleet can be continued

Project 20380 Corvette Series for Pacific Fleet can be continued

Corvettes “Loud” (foreground) and “Perfect”


A series of project 20380 corvettes may be continued. The contract for the construction of ten corvettes of this project can be obtained by the Amur Shipbuilding Plant. This was reported by "Vedomosti" with reference to two independent sources in the USC and the Ministry of Defense.

According to sources, the Amur Shipyard can get a contract for the construction of ten corvettes of project 20380 at once. The Ministry of Defense and USC are currently discussing the terms of the contract for ships, the signing of the agreement may take place in 2021.

According to the publication, in the case of the conclusion of the contract, all new corvettes will go to the Pacific fleet, which currently has only two corvettes built in the Amur Shipyard and transferred to the Pacific Fleet in 2017 and 2018, are Perfect and Loud. Two more corvettes are approaching - “Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov” (undergoing factory sea trials) and “Rezky” (under construction).

According to the expert of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Mikhail Barabanov, at the moment the Amur Shipyard cannot build ships with a displacement larger than the project 20380 corvette. The corps itself need Pacific Fleet to support the project 955 nuclear missile submarines in Kamchatka.

In the Russian Navy, project 20380 corvettes are classified as multipurpose combat surface ships of the 2nd rank of the near sea zone. They were developed by the Almaz design bureau. At the moment, the Russian Navy has six ships of this series. 4 of them serve in the Baltic Fleet, two more in the Pacific Fleet.

The features of the ships of this project are compactness, stealth, a high percentage of systems automation. The 20380 project actively applies the principle of modular architecture. This approach allows to reduce production costs and increases the modernization potential of the ship in the future. The ship can carry Ka-27 anti-submarine helicopter.
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  1. rudolff 25 February 2020 10: 51 New
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    Well, I was waiting for this news. The series of these corvettes must be continued, and not only for the Pacific Fleet. Although specifically for the Pacific Fleet, perhaps the 85th would be more interesting.
    1. novel66 25 February 2020 10: 54 New
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      and engines ?? from fret-west?
      1. Name Surname 25 February 2020 10: 58 New
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        Kolomenskie as b
        1. maxim947 25 February 2020 11: 11 New
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          Of the advantages - “Long order”, it is cheaper for the Customer and more convenient, and oddly enough, beneficial for the contractor. Nice ship.)))
          Of the minuses - we are waiting for orders for a rank higher. After all, the Pacific Fleet, not the Baltic.
          1. bayard 26 February 2020 03: 25 New
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            Very good and competent order. Today, the Amur Shipyard will still not be able to build more serious ships, but having received such a large order and laying say, 2 hulls a year, in 10 years it will be able to fulfill it in principle - the ships are of the same type. At the same time, it will strengthen the competencies necessary for the construction of more serious ships. Under the bookmark schedule I proposed, 6 years after laying the first pair, construction sites for other more serious ships will be freed up.
            For the factory the best order and not come up with. Series!
      2. rudolff 25 February 2020 10: 59 New
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        But the Kolomna is no longer satisfied?
        1. novel66 25 February 2020 11: 05 New
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          slow, they say, there are not enough moves
          1. rudolff 25 February 2020 11: 13 New
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            It’s not just about speed. They are simply unreliable. Remember how long the Baltic corvettes were afraid to let out of the Baltic.
            1. novel66 25 February 2020 11: 14 New
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              Well ..
              and engines ?? from fret-west?
            2. Name Surname 25 February 2020 11: 45 New
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              I remember how they reached the Red Sea request
              1. rudolff 25 February 2020 11: 50 New
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                Gained operating experience. At first they began to release periodically into the North, then they reached the Mediterranean. But at first there was tin. And not only with engines.
                1. Name Surname 25 February 2020 11: 51 New
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                  Well, they probably brought them to some sane state
                  1. rudolff 25 February 2020 11: 55 New
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                    Yes, they brought it as they could. And the project itself was well finalized. Furke-2 would still find some adequate replacement.
                    1. Samaritan 25 February 2020 13: 02 New
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                      Furke-2 would still find some adequate replacement.
                      Yes, and the “Package” would be changed, and the Redoubt would be modified and the Onyx or Caliber air defense with standard radars, with a range of up to 600 km. Oh, dreams, dreams ...
        2. Grigory_45 25 February 2020 12: 44 New
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          Quote: rudolff
          But the Kolomna is no longer satisfied?

          reliability is lame. For a short time of service on the Guardian (lead ship), both diesel engines of the power plant broke twice
          1. rudolff 25 February 2020 12: 50 New
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            Yes, in the know.
      3. lucul 25 February 2020 10: 59 New
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        and engines ?? from fret-west?

        It was necessary, for the past 10 years, to invest money not in US bonds, but in auto R&D of the motor industry - auto / aviation / marine engines.
        1. rudolff 25 February 2020 11: 06 New
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          Well this is not even discussed. They ruined the whole industry. But Kolomenskie go to these corvettes. Although the quality is slightly higher than the baseboard.
          1. Aerodrome 25 February 2020 11: 20 New
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            Quote: rudolff
            Well this is not even discussed. They ruined the whole industry. But Kolomenskie go to these corvettes. Although the quality is slightly higher than the baseboard.

            because of the engines and the “armata”, the stake is worth it .. also rushed between two motors, and both are still unreliable.
            1. Vladimir_2U 25 February 2020 11: 29 New
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              Quote: Aerodrome
              because of engines and armata stake
              Anything slows down Armata, but not dviglo. About the topic "The Seagull" a fairy tale.
              1. Aerodrome 25 February 2020 11: 37 New
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                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Quote: Aerodrome
                because of engines and armata stake
                Anything slows down Armata, but not dviglo. About the topic "The Seagull" a fairy tale.

                huh? URALTRAK was engaged in the Chaika engine, which was supposed to be the power unit of Almaty. However, as it became known, the engineers miscalculated at the time of designing the installation, which ultimately suspended its creation. According to the latest information, a limited batch with the A85-3A engine is expected to be delivered. And in the future, the technology of the Armata platform will adapt to the YaMZ 880, which has 1800 hp like this ... try to study the topic in more detail.
                1. Vladimir_2U 25 February 2020 11: 42 New
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                  Quote: Aerodrome
                  huh? URALTRAK was engaged in the "Seagull" engine, which was to become the power unit of "Almaty"
                  That's right, a fairy tale and almost everywhere by.
                  Recall that the four-stroke, X-shaped, 12-cylinder A-85-3A / 12N360 / 2V-12-3A turbo-piston engine with a power of 1500 hp was adopted as a power plant on the Unified interspecies heavy tracked platform "Armata" , development of the Chelyabinsk GSKB Transdiesel. The engine was developed for two decades and was originally designed as a completely new power plant for new tanks, such as the current Armata. In 2011, the engine passed the full cycle of state tests and is mass-produced at the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant (ChTZ)

                  Quote: Aerodrome
                  try to study the topic in more detail
                  As if in the course of the topic, at its level, of course, and certainly more in the subject.
                2. mark1 25 February 2020 12: 40 New
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                  Once you are in the subject, please answer one question tormenting me - is it better or not better "The Seagull" or YaMZ-880 of the A85-3A engine, that knowledge is very secret. But how do they manage to stick the V-shaped engine instead of the X-shaped in the MTO! ?? It is 2 times longer!
                3. Evgeniy667b 27 February 2020 14: 21 New
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                  I met sayings that besides the parade “Armata” their continuation will not be. Out of 10 Kantemir’s cars, 4 donors for spare parts were launched? Who knows what on this issue?
          2. vladcub 25 February 2020 17: 45 New
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            We have no others. At one time, they patted their ears and did not buy a license for a German diesel, but the Chinese bought it.
            In the end, “Kolomens” will be brought to mind, but how much time is down the drain.
            1. rudolff 25 February 2020 18: 25 New
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              They will bring it, but you will not jump above your head. Here is one of the revelations of the general designer of the Kolomna plant Valery Ryzhov:
              “For example, we need to buy piston rings, the best. We can do and do them, too, but we need the best. As a result, we put the German piston ring and get a three-fold reduction in oil consumption for waste. We draw the same we can design a ring, but we can’t do it. The level of construction and scientific knowledge far exceeds the possibilities of production. "
              That's the whole story.
              1. vladcub 25 February 2020 19: 03 New
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                But how do the Chinese cope?
                1. rudolff 25 February 2020 19: 28 New
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                  They have licensed production, this implies the transfer of technology. Perhaps the organization of production was stipulated, machines, equipment and so on. Yes, the Chinese were smarter. On the basis of German technology, they began to make their own engines.
              2. Evgeniy667b 27 February 2020 14: 47 New
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                In Russia, there is a loss of production skills, there is no substitute for those cadres, the older generation who are leaving by age! Units do not count. There was a change in orientation from production to consumer. When I pass a bus by a bus stop with which it’s 300 meters to the factory entrance and compare this with what happened during the USSR, heaven and earth. Then a human river flowed, now a thin brook. And what enthusiasm was ...
    2. knn54 25 February 2020 11: 18 New
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      Project 20386, what's wrong?
      1. rudolff 25 February 2020 11: 20 New
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        Dear and stupid.
        1. knn54 25 February 2020 13: 36 New
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          The error came out. Thought of project 20385 (Thundering).
          1. rudolff 25 February 2020 13: 39 New
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            Here is the 85th thing and for the Pacific Fleet would be preferable. Save.
        2. NEXUS 25 February 2020 16: 25 New
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          Quote: knn54
          Project 20386, what's wrong?

          Quote: rudolff
          Dear and stupid.

          And less armed than the 85th. With this, there is no intelligible PLO, and missile defense too. Moreover, the price is indeed one and a half times more than that of the 85th. For that kind of money, a frigate can be built.
    3. Mar.Tirah 25 February 2020 11: 32 New
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      Well, at least it is. {{At the moment, the Amur Shipyard cannot build ships with a displacement larger than the corvette of Project 20380}} .. Well, maybe the amount of the contract is enough to expand production capacity, provided that it doesn’t cut, of course. And there may be a larger tonnage. Far Eastern shipbuilders have always been held in high esteem by the Russian authorities.
    4. g1v2 25 February 2020 11: 35 New
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      In theory, the Baltic and Black Sea IPCs should also be exchanged for such corvettes. But for the north, others are already needed - 20386. Well, so, if you order 10 corvettes for the Pacific Fleet, then there will be 16 in total. Enough for the protection of the Bastion in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the Kuril Islands and the base of submarines in Kamchatka.
      1. rudolff 25 February 2020 11: 40 New
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        I do not need the 86th either in the North, or anywhere else. For this money, a sane frigate can be built.
        1. g1v2 25 February 2020 11: 50 New
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          If you need a corvette, then you need to build a corvette. This is not affected by the frigate page. Tch disagree. For the Federation Council, a batch of 20386 or their analogue is needed.
          1. Dart2027 25 February 2020 16: 30 New
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            Quote: g1v2
            If you need a corvette, then you need to build a corvette. This is not affected by the frigate page.

            The problem is that the 86th is not corvettes or frigates.
            1. g1v2 25 February 2020 17: 59 New
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              You can call it a patrol ship. Classification is a slippery and conditional thing. Some countries have destroyers the size of our corvettes. Shishkin classifies the displacement. As far as I remember, he has a corvette from 2k to 3.5. Frigate from 3,5 to 7k. Cruiser - over 11k. He has Tiki, for example, not a cruiser, but destroyers are obtained. request
              Personally, I share them for their intended purpose. Corvette - a ship to protect its tervod and water area. 20386 is designed for long voyages along the NSR and the protection of the Bastion in the Barents Sea. And from here - a long autonomy and a heated hangar, for example. Arctic, however. Well, if necessary, it is possible to conduct convoys along the NSR to conduct or support the main forces of the fleet during a breakthrough into the Atlantic. But in general, the NSR - its main place of service will be. request
              A frigate is an attack ship. This is the meat of the fleet of the far sea and ocean zone. In general, 22350 is a replacement for Sarycham and 1155. Less specialized and more universal.
              1. Dart2027 25 February 2020 21: 39 New
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                Quote: g1v2
                You can call it a patrol ship. Classification is a slippery and conditional thing.

                That's right, but the question is why is it needed? For BMZ it’s too big, and for DMZ it’s small and weak, but it stands as a full-fledged frigate.
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                20386 is designed for long voyages along the NSR and the protection of the Bastion in the Barents Sea
                Again, a frigate is better.
                Quote: g1v2
                or support the main forces of the fleet when breaking into the Atlantic
                What a breakthrough?
            2. Romario_Argo 25 February 2020 21: 34 New
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              86th these are not corvettes and frigates

              as for me, TFR - in a word
      2. alexmach 25 February 2020 17: 17 New
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        Well, so, if you order 10 corvettes for the Pacific Fleet, then there will be 16 in total

        But I'm interested. It is about ordering 10 new ones or increasing the series from gas stations to 10 .. which will mean the construction of new 6 corvettes. Somehow, the figure of 10 new is incredibly unbelievable.
        1. g1v2 25 February 2020 17: 47 New
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          It is certainly possible that we are simply talking about increasing the order from 4 to 10. But on the other hand, 8 microns should be changed to Pacific Fleet. Again, the Bastion in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is to be grazed. Cover the Kuril Islands and the passages between them. To protect the base of submarines in Kamchatka - in general, work for 16 is also enough. And at the side of the japa with the fourth strongest fleet. Plus in Japan, ground-based airfields. Creating an air defense umbrella over an area is not an easy task. It’s dangerous to reinforce stationary air defenses in the Kuril Islands and transfer fighters there. They will be too vulnerable. But a mobile umbrella in the form of redoubts on corvettes can be thrown to where amplification is needed. Well, and most importantly - it is not so expensive. They will build more than one year. Plus ACHA, having received a stable order for 10-15 years, will stand on its feet and get stronger. And this is even more important than the ships themselves. request
          1. alexmach 25 February 2020 18: 02 New
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            in general, work for 16 is also enough

            Plus ACHA, having received a stable order for 10-15 years, will stand on its feet and get stronger

            With this of course it is difficult to argue.
            But a mobile umbrella in the form of redoubts on corvettes can be thrown to where amplification is needed

            But this is from the realm of fiction. You can transfer it, only the air defense of these ships vryatli someone will be able to especially cover. They have already limited air defense capabilities
    5. Tiksi-3 25 February 2020 11: 58 New
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      Quote: rudolff
      Well, I was waiting for this news.

      hi drinks it will be great if they sign a contract for 10 pieces !! still a series of Gorshkolyvyh (M) for the Pacific Fleet of at least 6 pieces !!
      1. bayard 26 February 2020 04: 48 New
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        Quote: Tiksi-3
        still a series of Gorshkolyvyh (M) for the Pacific Fleet of at least 6 pieces !!

        6 frigates 22350 have already been laid: two in service, two in completion, two in construction (laid a year ago. And 2 more will be laid on May 9. A total of 8 have been contracted so far.
        22350M plan to build 12 pcs. + option for another 6 pcs.
        1. Tiksi-3 26 February 2020 07: 42 New
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          Quote: bayard
          6 frigates 22350 already laid

          of the first 4 pledged to the SF .... and I'm talking about Pacific Fleet
          1. bayard 26 February 2020 16: 08 New
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            The second 4 pcs. it seems to be just on the Pacific Fleet, and on them and more missiles - 24 pcs. But they still have to wait, because Varyag is not touched (for modernization). In addition, there will soon come out of the modernization of the BOD with two UKSKs (16 KR), the corvette and the Varshavyanka will be sent there in the spring.
            And 22350M at the Pacific Fleet are also planning, just 6 pcs.
    6. NEXUS 25 February 2020 12: 03 New
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      Quote: rudolff
      Well, I was waiting for this news. The series of these corvettes must be continued, and not only for the Pacific Fleet. Although specifically for the Pacific Fleet, perhaps the 85th would be more interesting.

      Hello, friend.
      I think that the 87th should appear, since the 86th is completely unsuccessful even in comparison with the 85th. Perhaps this will happen when Zircon becomes in a series.
      1. rudolff 25 February 2020 12: 14 New
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        Hello Andrey! Yes, they would fill the fleet with 80 / 85s, and then they would already think about the development of the project.
  2. svp67 25 February 2020 10: 54 New
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    According to the data provided by the sources, the Amur Shipyard can get a contract for the construction of ten corvettes of project 20380 at once.
    Well, on the "lack of fish" ... Although for the Pacific Fleet it would be necessary that something is already bigger, at least frigates, not to mention the destroyers
    1. rudolff 25 February 2020 11: 00 New
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      Pacific Fleet in such a state that it corvette for him, like manna from heaven.
      1. svp67 25 February 2020 11: 04 New
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        Quote: rudolff
        Pacific Fleet in such a state that it corvette for him, like manna from heaven.

        I agree, but after all, corvettes alone cannot solve this problem ...
        1. rudolff 25 February 2020 11: 10 New
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          In the near sea zone, everything is completely solved. Well, plus minesweepers, of course. For the distant frigates already. Ocean is better not to remember yet.
          1. svp67 25 February 2020 11: 13 New
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            Quote: rudolff
            In the near sea zone, everything is completely solved.

            Here I fully agree, as well as the fact that they will also fit for the protection and defense of bases and islands ...
            But the fleet is OCEAN
            1. rudolff 25 February 2020 11: 18 New
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              It is purely oceanic due to the Soviet heritage. Still oceanic. Well, we can also build frigates.
              1. Bashkirkhan 25 February 2020 11: 31 New
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                If there is a floating dock "Zeya", the Amur Shipbuilding Plant on February 3 posted on the government procurement portal a request for proposals for the development of a new transport launching floating dock with a lifting capacity of up to 7500 tons. The new dock is intended for receiving from shipyard slipways and launching of ships and vessels with a dock mass of up to 7500 tons, as well as for their transportation to the Vladivostok and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky districts. Perhaps this is due to the upcoming large order for corvettes 20380.
                https://flotprom.ru/2020/Асз1/
                1. svp67 25 February 2020 12: 48 New
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                  Quote: Bashkirkhan
                  ships with a dock mass of up to 7500 tons

                  But would you understand here that the dock mass and displacement are identical?
                  1. Bashkirkhan 25 February 2020 13: 30 New
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                    Displacement of the vessel - the mass of the vessel or the mass of water displaced by the vessel floating along a certain waterline of equilibrium. Displacement = dock weight of the vessel + variable weights (supply, ballast, fuel, people, products, etc.) + cargo weight (load capacity).
                    Gross tonnage and displacement are sometimes confused by the way, as in this picture. The yacht has exactly the gross tonnage of 15 917 tons. With a difference in length of 15%, the displacement of ships cannot differ by 3 times.
                    1. svp67 25 February 2020 13: 35 New
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                      Quote: Bashkirkhan
                      Displacement = dock weight of the vessel + variable weights (supply, ballast, fuel, people, products, etc.) + cargo weight (load capacity).

                      That is, this dock will be able to accept and transport frigates, without crew, ammunition, fuel and other supplies to the area of ​​Vladivostok and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.
                      1. Bashkirkhan 25 February 2020 13: 47 New
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                        If the dimensions of the floating dock allow. For example, the transport and launch floating dock of project 17571 Zeya of the Amur Shipbuilding Plant, designed to receive shipyards from ships and launch ships and vessels with a dock mass of up to 7820 tons. Corvette project 20380 climbs right up to the width. The frigate, if it is wider than the corvette, will no longer climb.
                      2. svp67 25 February 2020 13: 48 New
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                        Quote: Bashkirkhan
                        Corvette project 20380 climbs right up to the width. The frigate, if it is wider than the corvette, will no longer climb.

                        For submarines, whether this dock was created, there’s still some margin in length
                      3. Bashkirkhan 25 February 2020 18: 11 New
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                        Photo of the submarine of project 971 in the floating dock "Zeya". It’s impossible to say exactly what kind of boat it is — it is either K-263 Barnaul or K-322 Sperm Whale. Both of these boats were transported from Kamchatka to Bolshoi Kamen and Komsomolsk-on-Amur, respectively. Transportation was carried out in 2002-2003. Both boats failed to repair and were excluded from the fleet.
    2. Kurare 25 February 2020 11: 19 New
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      Quote: svp67
      I agree, but after all, corvettes alone cannot solve this problem ...

      hi Shipyards are loaded to capacity and extra reserves are not yet expected. And since, according to the article, the Amur Shipyard cannot build anything more than 20380, it is necessary to build.

      Corvette mastered, including the NEA. There is nowhere to wait further.
      1. Bashkirkhan 25 February 2020 11: 35 New
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        If in this the Amur Shipyard utilizes the project 971 Sperm Whale (excluded from the fleet on 09.10.2019/2020/XNUMX, the disposal is scheduled until May XNUMX), he will still have free space in the workshop.
        1. rudolff 25 February 2020 11: 46 New
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          There, the construction of the Irbis, which has not yet been completed, is idle on the 971st project, factory 519.
  3. NEXUS 25 February 2020 12: 08 New
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    Quote: rudolff
    Pacific Fleet in such a state that it corvette for him, like manna from heaven.

    We should start laying something for the Atlantic. And in this regard, it would be nice to have Super-Gorshkov, boards 10. I always wondered why the Leader was buried. It is clear that the lack of shipyards, the arsenal for it needs a different one, but the lead will be built at least 10 years. Moscow Region is scattering efforts in a heap of projects: a new BDK, a new Avik, etc. ... for me, finance and industrial efforts would focus on four projects: Gorshkov, Super Gorshkov, these corvettes and Leader. I'm talking about the surface component.
    1. rudolff 25 February 2020 12: 18 New
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      I don’t know, Andrey. For me, in general, everything that happens in our shipbuilding is a big mystery.
      1. NEXUS 25 February 2020 12: 23 New
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        Quote: rudolff
        I don’t know, Andrey. For me, in general, everything that happens in our shipbuilding is a big mystery.

        The number of submarines that we had in the USSR is not even close to us. But our surface fleet is aging godlessly. And the most meager, the part that is responsible for the ocean zone. We would have to work out the projects that I have listed so that these ships could be built relatively quickly. Even if a dozen Super-Gorshkovs are handed over to the fleets, the power of our fleets will increase significantly.
        1. Evgeniy667b 27 February 2020 15: 12 New
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          Andrei, I recall, in the 70s in the USSR they built 6 SSBNs per year, These are Sevmash and Komsomolsk on Amur. I was not at Sormovo, I can’t say.
  • Grits 25 February 2020 12: 36 New
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    Quote: svp67
    Well, on the "lack of fish" ... Although for the Pacific Fleet it would be necessary that something is already bigger, at least frigates, not to mention the destroyers

    Pacific Fleet in such a deplorable state that I am glad to any boat. And a new project, especially.
    Recently I visited Vladivostok several times, everyone wanted to see this corvette at the 36 berth. But it wasn’t - does the sea plow in exercises constantly? Then, okay ... let it plow.
  • lucul 25 February 2020 10: 57 New
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    A series of corvettes of the project 20380 can be continued. The contract for the construction of ten corvettes of this project may get the Amur Shipyard

    Well, at least something .....
    Although, for the Pacific Ocean (Sea of ​​Okhotsk) they are certainly small.
    1. rudolff 25 February 2020 11: 03 New
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      They are not small. For the near sea zone, this is what the doctor ordered. This is not Buyan with Karakurt.
      1. NEXUS 25 February 2020 12: 19 New
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        Quote: rudolff
        They are not small. For the near sea zone, this is what the doctor ordered. This is not Buyan with Karakurt.

        Karakurt would grow up to 1,5 thousand tons, would become a good corvette.
        1. rudolff 25 February 2020 12: 23 New
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          Andrei, what's good about him except Caliber with Shell?
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            Quote: rudolff
            Andrei, what's good about him except Caliber with Shell?

            How the coastal man comes down. The sea zone is not his, this is clear, given the weak PLO, and indeed the ABM, too. The saddest thing is that we are not even trying to build ships of the ocean zone. Gorshkov, although a successful frigate, but it is a frigate, and not even a destroyer.
            1. rudolff 25 February 2020 12: 32 New
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              Well, maybe SuperGorshkov’s still born.
              1. NEXUS 25 February 2020 12: 40 New
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                Well, maybe SuperGorshkov’s still born.

                Yes, and with new submarines we have a complete plug. Although we somehow build and lay the Boreas, and thanks for that.
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                  So we not only build slowly, we repair submarines for decades.
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                    Quote: rudolff
                    So we not only build slowly, we repair submarines for decades.

                    Your truth. SCHUKI-B most rust in the tanks and this despite the fact that we have a wild bias quantitative SSBN with multi-purpose, in favor of the former.
          2. Chicha squad 25 February 2020 19: 31 New
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            And what's good in 20380? Uranus? Redoubt with under radar Furke?
            1. rudolff 25 February 2020 19: 49 New
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              You can 85th, there is Caliber. And with Furke-2, yes, you need to do something.
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                85 is no longer under construction, only two have done. The engine room was redone under MTU, Kolomna had to be installed. On 20385, the ship control architecture is different, modern, like Can tires on a car, and Kolomenskoye is homogeneous completely mechanical and the whole architecture from this turns out to be very curtailed, so the project was abandoned.
                1. rudolff 25 February 2020 21: 27 New
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                  From an interview with the general designer of Kolomensky Ryzhov:

                  “But will the same setting be put on project 20385 as on 20380?”

                  At the first stage, it was decided to put what is produced in series. This installation is original and quite fresh, we made it in 2006. But again, it has less power than MTU. At the next stages, it is planned to put on this project a new generation of engines that we designed as part of the federal target program for the development of diesel engineering. By order of shipbuilders, we have completed the technical design of an engine with a capacity of 7500 kW. This is not even 5700 kW, which gives MTU, but much more. Now a pilot version of such an engine is already installed on the stand. Test runs completed. "
                  If the series of the 85th project were continued, then there would have been other engines.
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      Well, at least something .....
      Although, for the Pacific Ocean (Sea of ​​Okhotsk) they are certainly small.

      If for Kamchatka, then there are still enough corvettes, would you see what our OVR looks like sad
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    Maybe, or maybe not, it’s interesting, but who exactly decides this? And, the scatter in the names is still enraging, if they decided to name the ships in honor of the Heroes of the Soviet Union, then what, only two remembered them? Why did the rest of the ships in the series get such names? Why does the whole series not bear the names of Heroes of the Soviet Union and Russia?
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      The series began with the Baltic Fast and Wild. and all ships of the series have an adjective in their Name. Corvette Pacific Fleet - an exception to the rule, named after a sailor who died in a fire while saving his ship. Such exceptions were among destroyers and counter-carriers of the early 20th century. Stormy, Terrible, Inquisitive and Lieutenant Burakov (as an example).
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        Is this when we got Corvettes Fast and Wild, or did I miss something?)
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          or rather, I mixed up, only Bold in B for now .. so you can hope that they will be Fast and Raging.
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            Well, there won’t be a Fast until the destroyer is written off, and the Wild is full.
    2. Alexey RA 25 February 2020 12: 44 New
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      And, the scatter in the names is still enraging, if they decided to name the ships in honor of the Heroes of the Soviet Union, then what, they were remembered only by two?

      The 20380 series was originally supposed to be called adjectives, like the destroyers "sevens" and "sevens-U".
      But in 2010, Aldar Tsydenzhapov accomplished his feat. And it was decided to name one of the Pacific corvettes 20380 in his honor.
  • alekc75 25 February 2020 12: 17 New
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    what prevents to conclude a contract this year?
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      They still didn’t count the money. There are many freeloaders.
  • Sapsan136 25 February 2020 17: 28 New
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    This is not bad, but in order to protect the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation from Japanese aggression, ships with more serious missiles than RCC Uranus are needed ... Corvettes with weapons from RCC Onyx-M, or Caliber-M are needed here ...
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      Karakurt 22800 is also doing for the Pacific Fleet. Little what?
      1. Sapsan136 25 February 2020 19: 31 New
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        Karakurts are not corvettes or frigates, they are not universal and have great restrictions on the use of weapons in bad weather due to low displacement ... So that's not it ... Karakurts can qualitatively replace the Soviet ballistic missile systems like Gadfly and missile boats, no more Togo...
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          The second deuce 22350 will probably go to the Pacific Fleet. Why are you talking about bad weather? The Buyans in the 8-point storm walked the Mediterranean, nor did they turn over. The fleet should be supplemented by naval aviation, which we have, as it were, but no.
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            Buyan has a 5-point seaworthiness limit for navigation safety. The use of weapons is even less.
  • Chicha squad 25 February 2020 19: 28 New
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    Why not 20380 complement the incomplete 11356 series at the Black Sea Fleet? Ideally, of course, 20385, but the project is closed due to MTU engines.
    1. Sapsan136 25 February 2020 19: 33 New
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      Nevertheless, 20385 could be completed with domestic engines, so the absence of German diesel engines is not an argument, to stop the 20385 series .. The Baltic Fleet and the Baltic Fleet need at least a couple more frigates, Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet ... Yes, and those who left the Black Sea Fleet BOD Kerch and TFR Savvy would not hurt to replace with at least 20380 corvettes, and preferably 20385, or frigates ...
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        With DDA12000 ships are more in repair than they go. It’s not easy, because they decided to install MTU. They wanted to make a normal, not whimsical ship, but it didn’t work out. Kolomna diesel engines need to be prepared for launch for 40 minutes, then run for 40 minutes. Work in the engine room is torture.
        1. Sapsan136 25 February 2020 20: 36 New
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          They decided to install MTU before they managed to modernize domestic engines, now their reliability is much higher. Walking and shooting are two different things, and walking in bad weather for RTO crews is a real torture. The ship throws like a chip, crew fatigue, to put it mildly, increased, RTOs can’t shoot at such a storm at all. Naval aviation is a good thing, but it should complement multipurpose ships, such as corvettes 20380 - 20385, frigates, destroyers and cruisers, and not try to replace them ... Frigates and naval aviation are different tools that perfectly complement but do not replace each other
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    yeah, "A series of project 20380 corvettes for Pacific Fleet can be continued," and then "In the Russian Navy, project 22380 corvettes are classified as multipurpose combat surface ships of the 2nd rank of the near sea zone." I've been bored for a long time here on the site only sometimes I give comments!
    ps 20380 and 22380 compare the difference. How to put a minus to the author of the article?