Project 20380 Corvette Series for Pacific Fleet can be continued

Corvettes “Loud” (foreground) and “Perfect”

A series of project 20380 corvettes may be continued. The contract for the construction of ten corvettes of this project can be obtained by the Amur Shipbuilding Plant. This was reported by "Vedomosti" with reference to two independent sources in the USC and the Ministry of Defense.

According to sources, the Amur Shipyard can get a contract for the construction of ten corvettes of project 20380 at once. The Ministry of Defense and USC are currently discussing the terms of the contract for ships, the signing of the agreement may take place in 2021.

According to the publication, in the case of the conclusion of the contract, all new corvettes will go to the Pacific fleet, which currently has only two corvettes built in the Amur Shipyard and transferred to the Pacific Fleet in 2017 and 2018, are Perfect and Loud. Two more corvettes are approaching - “Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov” (undergoing factory sea trials) and “Rezky” (under construction).

According to the expert of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Mikhail Barabanov, at the moment the Amur Shipyard cannot build ships with a displacement larger than the project 20380 corvette. The corps itself need Pacific Fleet to support the project 955 nuclear missile submarines in Kamchatka.

In the Russian Navy, project 20380 corvettes are classified as multipurpose combat surface ships of the 2nd rank of the near sea zone. They were developed by the Almaz design bureau. At the moment, the Russian Navy has six ships of this series. 4 of them serve in the Baltic Fleet, two more in the Pacific Fleet.

The features of the ships of this project are compactness, stealth, a high percentage of systems automation. The 20380 project actively applies the principle of modular architecture. This approach allows to reduce production costs and increases the modernization potential of the ship in the future. The ship can carry Ka-27 anti-submarine helicopter.

Comments

[novel66]

and engines ?? from fret-west?

[Name Surname]

Kolomenskie as b

[maxim947]

From the pros - "Long order", it is cheaper for the customer and more convenient, and oddly enough, profitable for the contractor. Nice ship.)))
Of the minuses - we are waiting for orders for a rank higher. After all, the Pacific Fleet, not the Baltic.

[bayard]

Very good and competent order. Today, the Amur Shipyard will still not be able to build more serious ships, but having received such a large order and laying say, 2 hulls a year, in 10 years it will be able to fulfill it in principle - the ships are of the same type. At the same time, it will strengthen the competencies necessary for the construction of more serious ships. Under the bookmark schedule I proposed, 6 years after laying the first pair, construction sites for other more serious ships will be freed up.
For the factory the best order and not come up with. Series!

[novel66]

slow, they say, there are not enough moves

[novel66]

Well ..

and engines ?? from fret-west?

[Name Surname]

I remember how they reached the Red Sea

[Name Surname]

Well, they probably brought them to some sane state

[Samaritan]

Furke-2 would still find some adequate replacement.

Yes, and the "Package" would be changed, and the Redoubt would be modified and the PRK "Onyx" or "Caliber" with standard radar, with a firing range of up to 600 km. Eh, dream dreams ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote from rudolf

But the Kolomna is no longer satisfied?

reliability is lame. For a short time of service on the Guardian (lead ship), both diesel engines of the power plant broke twice

[lucul]

and engines ?? from fret-west?

It was necessary, for the past 10 years, to invest money not in US bonds, but in auto R&D of the motor industry - auto / aviation / marine engines.

[Aerodrome]

Quote from rudolf

Well this is not even discussed. They ruined the whole industry. But Kolomenskie go to these corvettes. Although the quality is slightly higher than the baseboard.

because of the engines and the "armata" there is a stake .. also tossed between the two motors, and both are unreliable so far.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Aerodrome

because of the engines and "armata" stake

Anything slows down the Armata, just doesn't move. A fairy tale about the "Seagull" theme.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: Aerodrome

because of the engines and "armata" stake

Anything slows down the Armata, just doesn't move. A fairy tale about the "Seagull" theme.

URALTRAK was responsible for the "Seagull" engine, which was supposed to become the power unit of "Armata". However, as it became known, the engineers miscalculated at the time of the design of the installation, which ultimately suspended its creation. According to the latest information, the delivery of a limited batch with the A85-3A engine is expected. And in the long run, the Armata platform technology will adapt to the YaMZ 880, which has 1800 hp like this ... try to study the topic in more detail.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Aerodrome

URALTRAK was responsible for the "Chaika" engine, which was supposed to become the power unit of "Armata"

That's right, a fairy tale and almost everywhere by.

Recall that the four-stroke, X-shaped, 12-cylinder A-85-3A / 12N360 / 2V-12-3A turbo-piston engine with a power of 1500 hp was adopted as a power plant on the Unified interspecies heavy tracked platform "Armata" , development of the Chelyabinsk GSKB Transdiesel. The engine was developed for two decades and was originally designed as a completely new power plant for new tanks, such as the current Armata. In 2011, the engine passed the full cycle of state tests and is mass-produced at the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant (ChTZ)

Quote: Aerodrome

try to study the topic in more detail

As if in the course of the topic, at its level, of course, and certainly more in the subject.

[mark1]

If you are in the subject, please answer one question that torments me - is it better or not better than the "Seagull" or the YaMZ-880 of the A85-3A engine, then the knowledge is very secret. But how do they manage to shove a V-shaped engine instead of an X-shaped engine in MTO! ?? It's 2 times longer!

[Evgeniy667b]

I have seen statements that apart from the ceremonial "Armata" they will not be continued. Out of 10 Kantemirvian cars, 4 donors were put into operation for spare parts? Who knows what on this issue?

[vladcub]

We have no others. At one time, they patted their ears and did not buy a license for a German diesel, but the Chinese bought it.
In the end, and "Kolomentsev" will be brought to mind, but how long down the drain.

[vladcub]

But how do the Chinese cope?

[Evgeniy667b]

In Russia, there is a loss of production skills, there is no substitute for those cadres, the older generation who are leaving by age! Units do not count. There was a change in orientation from production to consumer. When I pass a bus by a bus stop with which it’s 300 meters to the factory entrance and compare this with what happened during the USSR, heaven and earth. Then a human river flowed, now a thin brook. And what enthusiasm was ...

[knn54]

Project 20386, what's wrong?

[knn54]

The error came out. Thought of project 20385 (Thundering).

[NEXUS]

Quote: knn54

Project 20386, what's wrong?

Quote from rudolf

Dear and stupid.

And less armed than the 85th. With this, there is no intelligible PLO, and missile defense too. Moreover, the price is indeed one and a half times more than that of the 85th. For that kind of money, a frigate can be built.

[Mar.Tirah]

Well, at least it is. {{At the moment, the Amur Shipyard cannot build ships with a displacement larger than the corvette of Project 20380}} .. Well, maybe the amount of the contract is enough to expand production capacity, provided that it doesn’t cut, of course. And there may be a larger tonnage. Far Eastern shipbuilders have always been held in high esteem by the Russian authorities.

[g1v2]

In theory, the Baltic and Black Sea IPCs should also be exchanged for such corvettes. But for the north, others are already needed - 20386. Well, so, if you order 10 corvettes for the Pacific Fleet, then there will be 16 in total. Enough for the protection of the Bastion in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the Kuril Islands and the base of submarines in Kamchatka.

[g1v2]

If you need a corvette, then you need to build a corvette. This is not affected by the frigate page. Tch disagree. For the Federation Council, a batch of 20386 or their analogue is needed.

[Dart2027]

Quote: g1v2

If you need a corvette, then you need to build a corvette. This is not affected by the frigate page.

The problem is that the 86th is not corvettes or frigates.

[g1v2]

You can call it a patrol ship. Classification is a slippery and conditional thing. Some countries have destroyers the size of our corvettes. Shishkin classifies the displacement. As far as I remember, he has a corvette from 2k to 3.5. Frigate from 3,5 to 7k. Cruiser - over 11k. He has Tiki, for example, not a cruiser, but destroyers are obtained.
Personally, I share them for their intended purpose. Corvette - a ship to protect its tervod and water area. 20386 is designed for long voyages along the NSR and the protection of the Bastion in the Barents Sea. And from here - a long autonomy and a heated hangar, for example. Arctic, however. Well, if necessary, it is possible to conduct convoys along the NSR to conduct or support the main forces of the fleet during a breakthrough into the Atlantic. But in general, the NSR - its main place of service will be.
A frigate is an attack ship. This is the meat of the fleet of the far sea and ocean zone. In general, 22350 is a replacement for Sarycham and 1155. Less specialized and more universal.

[Dart2027]

Quote: g1v2

You can call it a patrol ship. Classification is a slippery and conditional thing.

That's right, but the question is why is it needed? For BMZ it’s too big, and for DMZ it’s small and weak, but it stands as a full-fledged frigate.

Quote: g1v2

20386 is designed for long voyages along the NSR and the protection of the Bastion in the Barents Sea

Again, a frigate is better.

Quote: g1v2

or support the main forces of the fleet when breaking into the Atlantic

What a breakthrough?

[Romario_Argo]

86th these are not corvettes and frigates

as for me, TFR - in a word

[alexmach]

Well, so, if you order 10 corvettes for the Pacific Fleet, then there will be 16 in total

But I'm interested. It is about ordering 10 new ones or increasing the series from gas stations to 10 .. which will mean the construction of new 6 corvettes. Somehow, the figure of 10 new is incredibly unbelievable.

[g1v2]

It is certainly possible that we are simply talking about increasing the order from 4 to 10. But on the other hand, 8 microns should be changed to Pacific Fleet. Again, the Bastion in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is to be grazed. Cover the Kuril Islands and the passages between them. To protect the base of submarines in Kamchatka - in general, work for 16 is also enough. And at the side of the japa with the fourth strongest fleet. Plus in Japan, ground-based airfields. Creating an air defense umbrella over an area is not an easy task. It’s dangerous to reinforce stationary air defenses in the Kuril Islands and transfer fighters there. They will be too vulnerable. But a mobile umbrella in the form of redoubts on corvettes can be thrown to where amplification is needed. Well, and most importantly - it is not so expensive. They will build more than one year. Plus ACHA, having received a stable order for 10-15 years, will stand on its feet and get stronger. And this is even more important than the ships themselves.

[alexmach]

in general, work for 16 is also enough

Plus ACHA, having received a stable order for 10-15 years, will stand on its feet and get stronger

With this of course it is difficult to argue.

But a mobile umbrella in the form of redoubts on corvettes can be thrown to where amplification is needed

But this is from the realm of fiction. You can transfer it, only the air defense of these ships vryatli someone will be able to especially cover. They have already limited air defense capabilities

[Tiksi-3]

Quote from rudolf

Well, I was waiting for this news.

it will be great if they sign a contract for 10 pieces !! still a series of Gorshkolyvyh (M) for the Pacific Fleet of at least 6 pieces !!

[bayard]

Quote: Tiksi-3

still a series of Gorshkolyvyh (M) for the Pacific Fleet of at least 6 pieces !!

6 frigates 22350 have already been laid: two in service, two in completion, two in construction (laid a year ago. And 2 more will be laid on May 9. A total of 8 have been contracted so far.
22350M plan to build 12 pcs. + option for another 6 pcs.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: bayard

6 frigates 22350 already laid

of the first 4 pledged to the SF .... and I'm talking about Pacific Fleet

[bayard]

Second 4 pcs. it looks like just the Pacific Fleet, and there are more missiles on them - 24 pieces each. But they will have to wait a little longer, and therefore Varyag is not touched (for modernization). In addition, there will soon come out of the modernization of the BOD with two UKSK (16 KR), the corvette and "Varshavyanka" new will be driven there in the spring.
And 22350M at the Pacific Fleet are also planning, just 6 pcs.

[NEXUS]

Quote from rudolf

Well, I was waiting for this news. The series of these corvettes must be continued, and not only for the Pacific Fleet. Although specifically for the Pacific Fleet, perhaps the 85th would be more interesting.

Hello, friend.
I think that the 87th should appear, since the 86th is completely unsuccessful even in comparison with the 85th. Perhaps this will happen when Zircon becomes in a series.

[svp67]

According to the data provided by the sources, the Amur Shipyard can get a contract for the construction of ten corvettes of project 20380 at once.

Well, on "bezrybe" ... Although for the Pacific Fleet it would be necessary that something is already larger, at least frigates, not to mention destroyers

[svp67]

Quote from rudolf

Pacific Fleet in such a state that it corvette for him, like manna from heaven.

I agree, but after all, corvettes alone cannot solve this problem ...

[svp67]

Quote from rudolf

In the near sea zone, everything is completely solved.

Here I fully agree, as well as the fact that they will also fit for the protection and defense of bases and islands ...
But the fleet is OCEAN

[Bashkirkhan]

In the presence of the Zeya floating dock, the Amur Shipyard on February 3 posted a request for proposals on the public procurement portal for the development of a project for a new transport and launching floating dock with a carrying capacity of up to 7500 tons. The new dock is designed to receive ships and vessels with a dock weight of up to 7500 tons from the coastal slipways of the shipyard and launch them into the water, as well as for their transportation to the Vladivostok and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky areas. Perhaps this is due to the upcoming large order for corvettes 20380.
https://flotprom.ru/2020/Асз1/

[svp67]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

ships with a dock mass of up to 7500 tons

But would you understand here that the dock mass and displacement are identical?

[Bashkirkhan]

Displacement of the vessel - the mass of the vessel or the mass of water displaced by the vessel floating along a certain waterline of equilibrium. Displacement = dock weight of the vessel + variable weights (supply, ballast, fuel, people, products, etc.) + cargo weight (load capacity).
Gross tonnage and displacement are sometimes confused by the way, as in this picture. The yacht has exactly the gross tonnage of 15 917 tons. With a difference in length of 15%, the displacement of ships cannot differ by 3 times.

[svp67]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Displacement = dock weight of the vessel + variable weights (supply, ballast, fuel, people, products, etc.) + cargo weight (load capacity).

That is, this dock will be able to accept and transport frigates, without crew, ammunition, fuel and other supplies to the area of ​​Vladivostok and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.

[Bashkirkhan]

If the dimensions of the floating dock allow. For example, the transport and launch floating dock of project 17571 Zeya of the Amur Shipbuilding Plant, designed to receive shipyards from ships and launch ships and vessels with a dock mass of up to 7820 tons. Corvette project 20380 climbs right up to the width. The frigate, if it is wider than the corvette, will no longer climb.

[svp67]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Corvette project 20380 climbs right up to the width. The frigate, if it is wider than the corvette, will no longer climb.

For submarines, whether this dock was created, there’s still some margin in length

[Bashkirkhan]

Photo of the Project 971 submarine at the Zeya floating dock. It is impossible to say for sure what kind of boat it is - it is either the K-263 Barnaul or the K-322 Kashalot. Both of these boats were transported from Kamchatka to Bolshoi Kamen and Komsomolsk on the Amur, respectively. The transportation was carried out in 2002-2003. Both boats were not repaired and were excluded from the fleet.

[Kurare]

Quote: svp67

I agree, but after all, corvettes alone cannot solve this problem ...

Shipyards are loaded to capacity and extra reserves are not yet expected. And since, according to the article, the Amur Shipyard cannot build anything more than 20380, it is necessary to build.

Corvette mastered, including the NEA. There is nowhere to wait further.

[Bashkirkhan]

If the Amur Shipyard disposes of the Project 971 Kashalot (excluded from the fleet on 09.10.2019, disposal is scheduled until May 2020), it will still have a place in the shop.

[NEXUS]

Quote from rudolf

Pacific Fleet in such a state that it corvette for him, like manna from heaven.

We should start laying something for the Atlantic. And in this regard, it would be nice to have Super-Gorshkov, boards 10. I always wondered why the Leader was buried. It is clear that the lack of shipyards, the arsenal for it needs a different one, but the lead will be built at least 10 years. Moscow Region is scattering efforts in a heap of projects: a new BDK, a new Avik, etc. ... for me, finance and industrial efforts would focus on four projects: Gorshkov, Super Gorshkov, these corvettes and Leader. I'm talking about the surface component.

[NEXUS]

Quote from rudolf

I don’t know, Andrey. For me, in general, everything that happens in our shipbuilding is a big mystery.

The number of submarines that we had in the USSR is not even close to us. But our surface fleet is aging godlessly. And the most meager, the part that is responsible for the ocean zone. We would have to work out the projects that I have listed so that these ships could be built relatively quickly. Even if a dozen Super-Gorshkovs are handed over to the fleets, the power of our fleets will increase significantly.

[Evgeniy667b]

Andrei, I recall, in the 70s in the USSR they built 6 SSBNs per year, These are Sevmash and Komsomolsk on Amur. I was not at Sormovo, I can’t say.

[Grits]

Quote: svp67

Well, on "bezrybe" ... Although for the Pacific Fleet it would be necessary that something is already larger, at least frigates, not to mention destroyers

Pacific Fleet in such a deplorable state that I am glad to any boat. And a new project, especially.
Recently I visited Vladivostok several times, everyone wanted to see this corvette at the 36 berth. But it wasn’t - does the sea plow in exercises constantly? Then, okay ... let it plow.

[lucul]

The series of project 20380 corvettes can be continued. The contract for the construction of ten corvettes of this project can be obtained by the "Amur shipbuilding plant"

Well, at least something .....
Although, for the Pacific Ocean (Sea of ​​Okhotsk) they are certainly small.

[NEXUS]

Quote from rudolf

They are not small. For the near sea zone, this is what the doctor ordered. This is not Buyan with Karakurt.

Karakurt would grow up to 1,5 thousand tons, would become a good corvette.

[NEXUS]

Quote from rudolf

Andrei, what's good about him except Caliber with Shell?

How the coastal man comes down. The sea zone is not his, this is clear, given the weak PLO, and indeed the ABM, too. The saddest thing is that we are not even trying to build ships of the ocean zone. Gorshkov, although a successful frigate, but it is a frigate, and not even a destroyer.

[NEXUS]

Quote from rudolf

Well, maybe SuperGorshkov’s still born.

Yes, and with new submarines we have a complete plug. Although we somehow build and lay the Boreas, and thanks for that.

[NEXUS]

Quote from rudolf

So we not only build slowly, we repair submarines for decades.

Your truth. SCHUKI-B most rust in the tanks and this despite the fact that we have a wild bias quantitative SSBN with multi-purpose, in favor of the former.

[Chicha squad]

And what's good in 20380? Uranus? Redoubt with under radar Furke?

[Chicha squad]

85 is no longer under construction, only two have done. The engine room was redone under MTU, Kolomna had to be installed. On 20385, the ship control architecture is different, modern, like Can tires on a car, and Kolomenskoye is homogeneous completely mechanical and the whole architecture from this turns out to be very curtailed, so the project was abandoned.

[Marconi41]

Quote: lucul

Well, at least something .....
Although, for the Pacific Ocean (Sea of ​​Okhotsk) they are certainly small.

If for Kamchatka, then there are still enough corvettes, would you see what our OVR looks like

[Thrifty]

Maybe, or maybe not, it’s interesting, but who exactly decides this? And, the scatter in the names is still enraging, if they decided to name the ships in honor of the Heroes of the Soviet Union, then what, only two remembered them? Why did the rest of the ships in the series get such names? Why does the whole series not bear the names of Heroes of the Soviet Union and Russia?

[pin_code]

The series began with the Baltic Fast and Wild. and all ships of the series have an adjective in their Name. Corvette Pacific Fleet - an exception to the rule, named after a sailor who died in a fire while saving his ship. Such exceptions were among destroyers and counter-carriers of the early 20th century. Stormy, Terrible, Inquisitive and Lieutenant Burakov (as an example).

[Rakovor]

Is this when we got Corvettes Fast and Wild, or did I miss something?)

[pin_code]

or rather, I mixed up, only Bold in B for now .. so you can hope that they will be Fast and Raging.

[Rakovor]

Well, there won’t be a Fast until the destroyer is written off, and the Wild is full.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Thrifty

And, the scatter in the names is still enraging, if they decided to name the ships in honor of the Heroes of the Soviet Union, then what, they were remembered only by two?

Series 20380 was originally supposed to be called adjectives, like destroyers - "seven" and "seven-U".
But in 2010, Aldar Tsydenzhapov accomplished his feat. And it was decided to name one of the Pacific corvettes 20380 in his honor.

[alekc75]

what prevents to conclude a contract this year?

[Chicha squad]

They still didn’t count the money. There are many freeloaders.

[Sapsan136]

This is not bad, but in order to protect the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation from Japanese aggression, ships with more serious missiles than RCC Uranus are needed ... Corvettes with weapons from RCC Onyx-M, or Caliber-M are needed here ...

[Chicha squad]

Karakurt 22800 is also doing for the Pacific Fleet. Little what?

[Sapsan136]

Karakurts are not corvettes or frigates, they are not universal and have great restrictions on the use of weapons in bad weather due to low displacement ... So that's not it ... Karakurts can qualitatively replace the Soviet ballistic missile systems like Gadfly and missile boats, no more Togo...

[Chicha squad]

The second deuce 22350 will probably go to the Pacific Fleet. Why are you talking about bad weather? The Buyans in the 8-point storm walked the Mediterranean, nor did they turn over. The fleet should be supplemented by naval aviation, which we have, as it were, but no.

[Chicha squad]

Why not 20380 complement the incomplete 11356 series at the Black Sea Fleet? Ideally, of course, 20385, but the project is closed due to MTU engines.

[Sapsan136]

Nevertheless, 20385 could be completed with domestic engines, so the absence of German diesel engines is not an argument, to stop the 20385 series .. The Baltic Fleet and the Baltic Fleet need at least a couple more frigates, Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet ... Yes, and those who left the Black Sea Fleet BOD Kerch and TFR Savvy would not hurt to replace with at least 20380 corvettes, and preferably 20385, or frigates ...

[Chicha squad]

With DDA12000 ships are more in repair than they go. It’s not easy, because they decided to install MTU. They wanted to make a normal, not whimsical ship, but it didn’t work out. Kolomna diesel engines need to be prepared for launch for 40 minutes, then run for 40 minutes. Work in the engine room is torture.

[Sapsan136]

They decided to install MTU before they managed to modernize domestic engines, now their reliability is much higher. Walking and shooting are two different things, and walking in bad weather for RTO crews is a real torture. The ship throws like a chip, crew fatigue, to put it mildly, increased, RTOs can’t shoot at such a storm at all. Naval aviation is a good thing, but it should complement multipurpose ships, such as corvettes 20380 - 20385, frigates, destroyers and cruisers, and not try to replace them ... Frigates and naval aviation are different tools that perfectly complement but do not replace each other

[lvov_aleksey]

yes, "A series of corvettes of project 20380 for the Pacific Fleet can be continued", and then "In the Russian Navy, corvettes of project 22380 are classified as multipurpose surface combat ships of the 2nd rank of the near sea zone." I have been bored for a long time here on the site, only sometimes I give comments!
ps 20380 and 22380 compare the difference. How to put a minus to the author of the article?