Russian lunar program: what hinders its implementation

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Last Thursday, the Soyuz-2.1a rocket with the Meridian-M military communications satellite was launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome. This launch was supposed to take place in January, but due to problems with the third stage of the rocket, the start was shifted almost a month “to the right”.

Where will we fly?


The Ministry of Defense reported that the launch of the rocket and the launch of the spacecraft into the calculated orbit took place as usual. Later RIA News commented on a source in the rocket and space industry. The interlocutor of the agency said that the launch of the military communications satellite "Meridian-M" could end in an accident.



According to the expert, due to the premature end of fuel, the third stage of the Soyuz-2.1a launch vehicle did not work for several seconds. “The accident was prevented by the Frigate booster block, which, thanks to its intelligent control system and fuel reserves, compensated for missile shortfalls,” RIA Novosti quoted its source as saying.

Such failures in our rocket and space industry will not surprise anyone. Last year, the head of Roskosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, as a great achievement, said that the launch of the carriers went without accident. Although the media noted: it was not without various kinds of overlays.

The case with the launch of Meridian-M is notable for the fact that the Soyuz-2 rocket (more precisely, its new version of Soyuz-2.1b) is the base for the first stage of the Russian moon exploration program, designed for 2021-2040. There is no other carrier for these tasks at Roskosmos yet.

The launch of the Angara-5 heavy rocket as part of the lunar program is expected only in 2027, that is, outside its first stage, limited to the period 2021-2025. These stages were presented to the public in November 2018 immediately after the joint meeting of the Council of the Russian Academy of Sciences for Space and Roscosmos.

Missions are feasible


Later they were given special names. The first stage was called "Sally." It involves the study of our distant satellite by automatic stations of the Luna series (Luna-25, 26, 27, 28), unmanned aerial flights of the Moon by the promising manned spacecraft Federation, the creation of a near-moon orbital station based on the elements of the Russian segment of the ISS. All these research missions will serve the solution of scientific problems, reconnaissance, preparation for the implementation of further stages of the program.

The second stage (2025–2035) was loudly called “Outpost”. Probably because it is supposed to place the first elements of the visited base on the lunar surface. The implementation of this part of the program should be ensured by manned flights with a long (up to 14 days) landing of astronauts on the moon.

The third stage (after 2035) - with the speaking name "Base". He intends to complete the construction of a full-fledged visited lunar base, including two astronomical observatories (for radio astronomy and cosmic rays), a shelter from radiation, and water ice mining infrastructure (to create oxygen-hydrogen fuel based on it).

Behind this brief annotation of the ambitious lunar program lies the great and difficult path of our rocket and space industry. She has to carry out serious design and research work, create new carriers and spacecraft, deploy in space groups of navigation satellites and communication satellites, and much more, useful and necessary.

Experts doubt


Experts doubting the implementation of the Russian lunar program, pay attention to several circumstances. So what is hindering the execution?

First of all, to finance the industry. It was decently reduced already in the framework of the Federal Space Program of Russia for 2016–2025.

Under the sequester’s knife, the development of a complex with a returning first stage for Russian missiles and technology for detecting asteroids threatening the Earth fell under the knife. Reduced from 95 to 70 vehicles (in the perspective of 2025), the Russian orbital group and a number of projects.

Experts name underfunding among the reasons due to which the already mentioned Soyuz-2.1b rocket has not yet received such statistics of successful launches so that this carrier can be used without restrictions. Now, for example, Soyuz-2.1b is not used for manned flights and other especially important missions.

The development of the manned spacecraft Federation is also being delayed. Declared for use in an unmanned version already at the “Sally” stage, the ship moved deep to the right. At least this January, at the XLIV Academic Readings on Cosmonautics in memory of S. P. Korolyov, the first deputy head of Roskosmos, Yuri Urlichich, announced that an unmanned aerial flight of the moon by the ship Orel (the new name for the Federation) is planned no earlier than 2028.

There is another threat to the Russian lunar program. Experts call it a drop in discipline and industry responsibility. Usually no living examples are given for this statement, but we have our own - very fresh.

Describing the problems with the recent launch of the Soyuz-2.1a rocket from Plesetsk, experts noted that the launch carried out military combat crews, which "could underfill fuel in the third stage when refueling before launch."

So the human factor is perhaps the main one among those that can delay the implementation of such an important program for the exploration of the moon for the country.
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  1. +12
    25 February 2020 08: 08
    Not WHAT, but WHO.
    1. +30
      25 February 2020 08: 15
      There will be no fulfillment. In 2028 they will be transferred to 2038, and in 2038 - to 2050. It is time to see an approximate pattern of how such things work. They wanted to finish the nuclear tug first by 2018, then transferred to 2030. In 2030 everyone will forget about it, because they will discuss the transfer of some Yenisei.
      1. +16
        25 February 2020 08: 31
        Russian lunar program: what hinders its implementation

        This one heading already, causes an unhealthy smile ...
        1. +23
          25 February 2020 09: 05
          The era of high achievements in space and space pioneers left with the USSR.

          Judging by the rampant corruption, space leaders now have different tasks. All worries about their well-being, but the moon does not care.

          And no one expects from Roscosmos these interplanetary flights. Is not it?
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                      7. -1
                        25 February 2020 14: 05
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Are you jealous?

                        Interested in. Nowadays, the Casanovas are somehow shallow, so it’s interesting how are you ........ are you managing women?
                      8. +1
                        25 February 2020 19: 08
                        Namesake hi And Navy officers have always been envious. And foreign envy, you are on a campaign, but they need to get there for their money.
                      9. +2
                        26 February 2020 09: 05
                        hi Hi Serena! Yes, there is banal boasting, one hundred percent verified who on the world exposes himself Casanova, then in everyday life, a complete zero! bully
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                2. +6
                  25 February 2020 11: 40
                  What planet would you go to if you didn’t steal, say, 10% (prohibitively) of the annual budget?

                  Now, if they had not stolen, then the budget would have been much more than 3 billion ..
                  They only took Zakharchenko for 3 budgets .. and he alone - only a drop in the ocean ..
                  So we don't need to talk about the "outrageous" 10% of what has not yet been stolen ..
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      2. +7
        25 February 2020 09: 20
        There will certainly not be any fulfillment. Roskosmos is now a pocket of holes.
      3. +2
        25 February 2020 11: 52
        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        There will be no fulfillment. In 2028 they will be transferred to 2038, and in 2038 - to 2050.

        Of course it won't! By that time there would be not only promises, but also those who promised themselves. Jules Verne turned out to be more literate nefantast already than trampoline cannons with robots driven by a sledgehammer. Comrades, all our great achievements of victory and accomplishment have remained in our glorious socialist past, and now obscurantism and jazz.

        1. -4
          25 February 2020 19: 14
          Well, pour so much dirt on the country. am You can’t be called a defender, but rather a fan cuff. They warmed, thawed, and crap. Not one paratrooper does this. They are ready for battle for the motherland, and you ... negative
    2. +2
      25 February 2020 08: 28
      Support.
      So who interferes with execution?
      Balabols like Rogozin. Perhaps, the only post where he was in his place - the special representative of Russia to NATO. There was just a tongue without bones and the ability to troll thickly was on hand. In industrial areas, this is a fat minus. "I think so!" (FROM)
      1. -7
        25 February 2020 08: 34
        Quote: Dalny V
        Balabol like Rogozin.

        And what prevented the USSR, which had invested a lot of money in the lunar program and abandoned it immediately after the Americans landed on the moon? Also Rogozin? Or is it still the lack of expediency in continuing the program?
        1. +12
          25 February 2020 08: 48
          Naturally the lack of expediency. All that was needed at that time was obtained with the help of moon rovers. What is characteristic, the Union did not refuse interplanetary research - Mars and Venus will not let lie. So the development was in full swing.
          One caveat - the then leadership did not run ahead of the locomotive with loud cries that in a few years (in fact, xs, how many times this "several" will be repeated) will build a garden city on the Moon. The then leadership, in contrast, methodically performed their work and showed results. You could be proud of. Again, unlike.
          1. -8
            25 February 2020 09: 07
            Quote: Dalny V
            One caveat - the then leadership did not run ahead of the engine with loud cries of

            This is the whole difference. The "then leadership" did what it considered necessary without reporting to the people. Decided that it was necessary to land a man on the moon - invested the people's money. Moreover, the development of the program was carried out at once by two design bureaus - Korolev and Chelomey. This is also an additional cost. Circumstances changed and the future landing lost its attractiveness - they stopped funding and focused on other projects. Nobody learned anything. If the current leadership kept everything secret now there simply would be no topic for discussion. Otherwise, there is no difference. As time goes on, priorities change.
            The only difference is that modern Russia announces its plans, while the USSR has kept secret all that is possible and impossible.
            China, for example, has announced plans to build a lunar base by 2021. However, apparently, it will not work. Does China also have its own "Rogozin"?
            1. +6
              25 February 2020 09: 13
              The "then leadership" did what it considered necessary without reporting to the people
              Does the current report strongly? laughing Oh yes:
              modern Russia announces its plans
              Only in my snotty childhood there was a saying to such "announcements": "And the hare will not flap!" Such announcements are worthless.
              Concerning
              Moreover, two design bureaus led the development of the program at once - Korolev and Chelomei. This is also an additional cost.
              More than sure that the design of KB Korolev and Chelomei were not in vain, they were used in other projects. Because, as I said above,
              The then leadership, in contrast, methodically performed its work and showed results. Which one could be proud of. Again, unlike.
              1. -9
                25 February 2020 09: 19
                Quote: Dalny V
                More than sure that KB design

                However, Soviet cosmonauts never visited the moon. Do you have any doubts about this fact? And you did not consider it necessary to answer what kind of "Rogozin" prevented this, despite all the efforts of the USSR in this direction.
                1. -4
                  25 February 2020 09: 45
                  Read part 4 of the series of books by Boris Chertok "Moon Race" and you will find out what and who prevented. And the Americans, too, were not on the moon - this is a great Hollywood falsification.
                  1. -3
                    25 February 2020 09: 49
                    Quote: GarySit
                    Read Part 4 of the Book Series

                    I’m interested in the opinion of the opponent on this issue.
                    PS There was a time I was quite seriously interested in the topic of Russian cosmonautics, although I did not read the book you recommended. At that time there was no Internet, and the possibilities of provincial libraries were rather limited.
                  2. 0
                    25 February 2020 12: 40
                    About falsification - did you read this from Chertok? :)
            2. +2
              25 February 2020 11: 43
              This is the whole difference. The "then leadership" did what it considered necessary without reporting to the people.

              I would say - on the contrary ..
            3. +1
              26 February 2020 15: 44
              In principle, TOMU management did not have to report. All the same, all the money spent went into their economy and not into yachts and cottages abroad. Everything that was done was done for the good of the state and not of the oligarchs. That is the difference actually.
              And the plan for the flight to the moon will not be fulfilled since there 1. There is no oil and gas 2. There is no one to pull the pipe and in addition there are no pipe layers.
          2. -16
            25 February 2020 09: 18
            They won’t give, yes.
            For a start:
            On October 10, 1960 in the USSR, the Molniya 8K78 launch vehicle was launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome, which was supposed to put the Soviet automatic interplanetary station (AMS) Mars (1960A) on a flight path to Mars. This was the first attempt in human history to reach the surface of Mars. Due to the accident of the launch vehicle (LV) the launch failed.

            On October 14, 1960, the Molniya 8K78 launch vehicle was launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome in the USSR, which was supposed to put the Soviet Mars AMS (1960V) on a flight path to Mars. The flight program provided for the station's reaching the surface of Mars. Due to the accident, the launch failed.

            On October 24, 1962, the Molniya 8K78 launch vehicle was launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome in the USSR, which put the Soviet Mars-1S (Sputnik-22) spacecraft into near-earth orbit.

            The launch of the station towards Mars did not take place due to the explosion of the last stage of the launch vehicle.

            On November 1, 1962, the Molniya 8K78 launch vehicle was launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome in the USSR, which put the Soviet Mars-1 spacecraft on a flight path to Mars. First successful launch towards Mars. The Mars-1 AMS approached Mars on June 19, 1963 (about 197 thousand kilometers from Mars, according to ballistic calculations), after which the station entered the trajectory around the Sun. Communication with the AMS has been lost.

            On November 4, 1962, the Molniya 8K78 launch vehicle was launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome in the USSR, which put the Soviet Mars-2A (Sputnik-24) spacecraft into near-earth orbit. The launch of the station towards Mars did not take place.

            November 5 1962 years satellite "Mars-2A" ceased to exist, having entered the dense layers of the atmosphere
            .

            So really - they will not let me lie. About the gigantic successes of the USSR.
            And of course, the main question is who is to blame?
            Was Rogozin sneaking in there too?
            1. +6
              25 February 2020 09: 21
              Well, you brought examples of fucking, from the era of the beginning of space flights (half of the examples are from the pre-Dagarin period). But didn’t they hook Tsiolkovsky? In general, missiles did not reach the geostationary orbit. That's a damn scoop, right?
              1. -13
                25 February 2020 09: 25
                What is characteristic, the Union did not refuse interplanetary research - Mars and Venus will not let lie.

                Your words?
                Well, so I gave you an example about Mars, so as not to lie. What does Mars have to do with it? Rather, the bottom of the ocean, as we like to joke megaexperts on Roscosmos.
                Here are American robots working successfully there. And they got there when there was still no Roskosmos and Rogozin.
                The ancients speak? Ok, fresher, let's continue:
                On November 30, 1964, the Molniya 8K78 launch vehicle was launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome in the USSR, which put the Soviet Zond-2 spacecraft on a flight path to Mars. Contact with the station was lost on May 4-5, 1965.

                On March 27, 1969, a Proton-K / D launch vehicle (LV) was launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome in the USSR, which was supposed to put the Mars AMS on a flight path to Mars. Because of the LV accident, the launch ended in failure.
                On May 10, 1971, the USSR from the Baikonur cosmodrome launched the Proton-K launch vehicle with the D upper stage, which launched the Kosmos-419 satellite into near-earth orbit, but the spacecraft did not enter the flight path to Mars. May 12, 1971and the apparatus entered the dense layers of the earth's atmosphere and burned down.

                On May 19, 1971 in the USSR from the Baikonur cosmodrome, the Proton-K booster rocket with the D upper stage was launched, which put the Soviet Mars-2 spacecraft on a flight path to Mars. However, at the final stage of the flight, due to a software error, the onboard computer of the descent vehicle malfunctioned, as a result of which the angle of its entry into the Martian atmosphere turned out to be greater than the calculated one, and on November 27, 1971, it crashed on the surface of Mars


                There are many more similar events, but let's move on to the final:
                On July 7, 1988, the USSR launched the Proton 8K82K booster rocket from the Baikonur cosmodrome with the D2 upper stage, which put the Soviet Phobos-1 spacecraft on a flight path to Mars to explore the Mars satellite Phobos. On September 2, 1988, Phobos-1 was lost en route to Mars as a result of an erroneous command.

                On July 12, 1988, the USSR launched the Proton 8K82K booster rocket from the Baikonur cosmodrome with the D2 upper stage, which put the Soviet Phobos-2 on its flight path to Mars. The main task is the delivery of descent vehicles (SCA) to the surface of Phobos to study the satellite of Mars.

                Phobos-2 entered Mars orbit on January 30, 1989. 38 images of Phobos were obtained with a resolution of up to 40 meters, the surface temperature of Phobos was measured. Communication with the device was lost on March 27, 1989. SKA could not be delivered.

                That’s the whole truth about the Soviet Martian program.
                1. +4
                  25 February 2020 09: 30
                  Are you okay? Phrase
                  What is characteristic, the Union did not refuse interplanetary research - Mars and Venus will not let lie.
                  I answered the phrase of the opponent
                  And what prevented the USSR, which had invested a lot of money in the lunar program and abandoned it immediately after the Americans landed on the moon?
                  When did the Americans land on the moon? In the 1960s? Or 1962? Read the whole thread before expressing your valuable opinion, otherwise you look stupid.
                  1. -9
                    25 February 2020 09: 32
                    It is important that ours never landed there.
                    You have the same advice, read in full before talking about the magical successes of the USSR in space, about which "Mars and Venus will not lie."
                    They do not care, but you should not.
                    1. +4
                      25 February 2020 11: 53
                      before talking about the magical successes of the USSR in space,

                      So they expressed themselves ... as if there were no successes either .. Or they were not truly magical .. Even without taking into account the time that has passed with you time ..
                    2. +8
                      25 February 2020 16: 59
                      Quote: Mestny
                      It is important that ours never landed there.

                      Why is this important? The Americans landed on the moon first, well done. AND? It is important not who first landed on the Moon, it is important how the exploration and exploration of the Moon will develop in the near future. And who will be the leader in the "moon race".
          3. -9
            25 February 2020 11: 26
            the then leadership did not run ahead of the engine with loud cries that we were in a few years build a garden city on the moon


            wassat they built another 70 years there. Not so distant and more mundane
            What is the result of construction? Are you talking about Garden on the Moon


          4. -6
            25 February 2020 12: 20
            Quote: Dalny V
            One caveat - the then leadership did not run ahead of the engine with loud screams that we were in a few years

            What about land for peasants, factories for workers, and Communism in 1980, and developed Socialism, and Socialism with a human face, and every Soviet citizen an apartment in 2000? Is it running behind a steam locomotive?
        2. +1
          25 February 2020 09: 31
          Let's start exploring the moon, amid falling living standards in the country?
          1. -9
            25 February 2020 09: 42
            And how comfortable they were.
            Let’s start to master the moon - they will shout that money was stolen from pensioners for an unnecessary project, bad power.
            Do not start - they will scream that money was stolen from space, bad power.
            Beauty.
      2. +6
        25 February 2020 09: 20
        Rogozin was able to organize an excellent service for monitoring negative reviews about himself and Roscosmos. Any negative statement is either negative or blocked at all. That is all he and his services do well. stop
    3. -2
      25 February 2020 08: 31
      Quote: knn54
      Not WHAT, but WHO.

      In this one:

      1. +17
        25 February 2020 12: 26
        Quote: Boris55
        In this one:

        And who appointed him head of Roskosmos?
    4. +5
      25 February 2020 08: 43
      underfunding and the fall of discipline. This is called in Russian mess and the collapse of space. And this, of course, is the fault of the country's top leadership; under them, our Russia is in decline.
      1. dSK
        -1
        25 February 2020 10: 40
        President Vladimir Putin said that it is necessary to criticize subordinates so that they are “shaken” and that they feel their responsibility. The head of state said this in an interview with TASS in the framework of the project “20 Questions to Vladimir Putin”.
        1. +2
          25 February 2020 11: 22
          Quote from dsk
          President Vladimir Putin said that it is necessary to criticize subordinates so that they are “shaken” and that they feel their responsibility. The head of state said this in an interview with TASS in the framework of the project “20 Questions to Vladimir Putin”.

        2. +5
          25 February 2020 13: 35
          Quote from dsk
          President Vladimir Putin said that it is necessary criticize subordinates,

          It is necessary not to criticize, but to deprive the RFP, position .. and other benefits .. From criticism they sit as exactly as without it ..
      2. -2
        25 February 2020 12: 35
        Quote: Bar1
        with them, our Russia is in decline.

        what In the greed after what?
    5. 0
      25 February 2020 11: 32
      Well, yes, yes, looking for extreme ones has always been the most effective way to solve problems, because there can’t be such a problem in the industry in its structure and that powers are distributed on the basis of loyalty, not competency ??
    6. +3
      25 February 2020 14: 07
      If instead of Rogozin, Roscosmos will be led, for example, by Olga Buzova, then we’ll master the moon faster
  2. +3
    25 February 2020 08: 08
    Russian lunar program: what hinders its implementation
    Same as a bad dancer dancing.
    1. -8
      25 February 2020 08: 47
      Quote: svp67
      Russian lunar program: what hinders its implementation
      Same as a bad dancer dancing.

      Agree that on the moon now there’s nothing to do .... except for the alleged prestige .. quickly disappearing along with the money supply ...
      Now there is something to do first of all ...

      the title of the video is pompous, do not pay attention to it, but interesting things slip
      1. -4
        25 February 2020 12: 18
        The guy lucidly explained. I just think that the satellite from our satellite does not run away from the fact that it smells bad, but from ours, for example, revealing a sheet in front of the lens, or letting out bunnies, and if that happens, it might even make some paints from the spray can. wassat
        Now it became clear why Medvedev was translating time! It was necessary to move the Earth's axis a little bit, and all of their JPs would be covered.
  3. +7
    25 February 2020 08: 13
    The lack of economic meaning hinders - there is nothing to do there with the current level of technology
    1. +2
      25 February 2020 08: 22
      Quote: Hwostatij
      at the current level of technology

      In the Union were ... I wonder where they went?
      1. +3
        25 February 2020 09: 03
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        In the Union were ... I wonder where they went?

        Even the question posed about this (judging by the minuses) in some causes a terrible dislike laughing
        1. +9
          25 February 2020 09: 08
          Quote: Boris55
          terrible dislike

          Right! Technologies have been lost, and with them the ability to think intelligently among some visitors to the VO site! hi
      2. -15
        25 February 2020 09: 12
        It was not in union.
        They never flew to the moon.
        Were in the USA.
      3. +4
        25 February 2020 11: 48
        Yes, the USSR did things and did first, but there are nuances.
        The USSR spent the first flight past Mercury, and the United States was 4 months late (sort of) and it looks obvious - the USSR is steering! BUT, that span was an uncontrollable piece of iron, and the United States sent a controlled space station with equipment.
        The technological lag (very significant) of the USSR does not honor the system, but it does honor to the people who dodged under such restrictions, but with the lunar program, it didn’t work out on their savvy. Taking into account the fact that the Russian Federation sets tasks that the USSR could not yet, it is important to ask the question - "what is Russia doing in order not to become such a backward country?" Answer: NOTHING! Import substitution is voluntary sanctions, the conflict with the West is voluntary sanctions, and because of these sanctions it is simply impossible to make up for what the USSR still needed.
        It will be so for a very long time until the Russian Federation is an institutionally backward state.
      4. +5
        25 February 2020 13: 37
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: Hwostatij
        at the current level of technology

        In the Union were ... I wonder where they went?

        So everyone poherili or almost everything ..
    2. 0
      25 February 2020 17: 38
      Quote: Hwostatij
      The lack of economic meaning hinders - there is nothing to do there with the current level of technology

      And in small barrels in orbit spinning means there is an economic sense?

      For the money spent on the meaningless ISS, it was long ago possible to build a base on the Moon.
      And the return would be orders of magnitude greater - both scientific and economic, and even military.
  4. 0
    25 February 2020 08: 21
    The development of the lunar program in the USSR / Russia is carried out (starting with H-1) not by the brain, but by the spinal cord. Original source - Chertok B.E. Rockets and people. Lunar race. militera.lib.ru ›explo / chertok_be / index.html
  5. +3
    25 February 2020 08: 23
    Quote: Hwostatij
    The lack of economic meaning hinders - there is nothing to do there with the current level of technology

    More precisely - that from the moon you can fuck ....
    1. +3
      25 February 2020 10: 02
      Only prestige and all. But the people basically do not need it. People need: good salaries, good and not expensive medicine, inexpensive services, goods, decent housing, and the Moon, well, to hell with this Moon. When there will be a worthy life, then you can think about the Moon.
      1. +1
        25 February 2020 11: 20
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        and the moon, oh well, damn this moon. When there will be a worthy life, then you can think about the Moon.

  6. +4
    25 February 2020 08: 28
    Russian lunar program: what hinders its implementation
    I can say even who - Rogozin is one of them
  7. BAI
    +3
    25 February 2020 08: 37
    what prevents its implementation

    Rogozin and the affiliated effective managers.
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    1. +5
      25 February 2020 11: 15
      Quote from rudolf
      It's a shame. They had such achievements in space and were not even able to maintain the achieved level, not to mention development. Balabalism amid total degradation.

      We now even have Gagra’s rockets falling or flying with holes, but there’s a super secret weapon and a pipe in the world.
      1. +1
        25 February 2020 19: 25
        You have a machete in your hands - that's chopped sugarcane. Leave the rockets to the professionals. Before arguing with rudolff, at least ask who you are dealing with.
  9. +4
    25 February 2020 09: 00
    here is a fairly detailed overview of the Roskosmos policy https://zelenyikot.livejournal.com/145854.html
  10. +3
    25 February 2020 09: 06
    "First of all, for the financing of the industry. It has been decently reduced already within the framework of the Federal Space Program of Russia for 2016–2025." - to understand the amount of funding for our space, the entire budget of Roskosmos is slightly more than the annual increase to the NASA budget in 2021 (2.6 billion dollars) https://kiri2ll.livejournal.com/1411347.html
  11. +4
    25 February 2020 09: 10
    Already tired of reading the same thing ....
    We didn’t even think about fulfilling the first pri-Putin promise of a landing in 2015, the rest also failed and failed ...

    Even the cheers-zhurnalyugi with cursing amerovskih programs already shut up ...
  12. -4
    25 February 2020 09: 11
    Later, RIA Novosti commented on its source in the rocket and space industry. The interlocutor of the agency said that the launch of the military communications satellite "Meridian-M" could end in an accident.

    An unknown source said it could. Everything went fine, but it could.
    Faithful dear yellow press. Congratulations to VO.
    And this only then, what would once again give an opportunity to arrange in the comments a festival of choral singing about Roscosmos?
    1. +3
      25 February 2020 13: 39
      Quote: Mestny
      An unknown source said it could. Everything went fine, but it could.
      Faithful dear yellow press. Congratulations to VO.

      Now the yellow press has become more truly official .. that’s the paradox ..
  13. +4
    25 February 2020 09: 11
    Russian lunar program: what prevents its implementation

    LACK OF A GOAL VALIDATING THE MEANS ...
    Judge for yourself what purpose may be in the exploration of the moon? Probably, the construction on the surface of the base for the development of rare minerals on Earth. Surely an intermediate launch pad or some early warning station of something ... belay
    Is there anyone who wants to invest in this? Here mercantile desires are much more real and closer, which outweigh all nobility, prestige, scientific research ... This is today's “fabulous” life.
    1. +1
      25 February 2020 11: 09
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Surely an intermediate launch pad or some early warning station of something ...

      In principle, everyone considers the Moon as a platform for the exploration of deep space, in any case, they officially declare this. While the closest to success are the Americans and China, the Indians are in third place.
      For the time being, we are only declaring with the mouth of the batutych about the great changes, but in the long term, but for now, on the site of the Khrunichev NGO, we will build a phaloid design based on miracles to compactly place all the officials from the ragozraspilcosmos. It is from the top of this building, armed with Zeiss binoculars, Ragozinians and they will consider cosmic distances for the study of objects of cuts and kickbacks.
      1. -4
        25 February 2020 11: 58
        Quote: Stroporez
        While the closest to success are the Americans and China, the Indians are in third place.

        Uh ... Whose "statements" did you make this conclusion from?
        1. +5
          25 February 2020 13: 07
          Quote: Less
          Uh ... Whose "statements" did you make this conclusion from?

          Kamrad, google it.
          1. 0
            25 February 2020 19: 31
            Where did you get the "comrade"? You in the GSVG not only did not serve, you were not even close. There are other expressions in Afghanistan and you don't use them. Have you been there? Ales, you don't have to rustle, the answer is optional.
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    1. +5
      25 February 2020 10: 46
      Quote: GGC1
      they won’t find astronauts of corresponding growth.

      Well, why, and in the picture hto? It is possible and in space one way.
      1. -1
        25 February 2020 19: 32
        Plus! good You can.
    2. +5
      25 February 2020 10: 59
      I think if they began to make such toys, then things would go. You can make money on it. Yes, let out science fiction, about space exploration. Or maybe it’s going to this? belay
    3. +5
      25 February 2020 13: 41
      they won’t find astronauts of corresponding growth.

      But you can’t say that they lowered their hands laughing Recently, there was an article saying that the requirements for astronauts were significantly reduced .. wassat
  15. +6
    25 February 2020 09: 26
    What prevents?
    On Thursday, in my opinion, the report of road cars that lay asphalt in the Krasnodar Territory got on the network. Smart machines, modern ones, maintain a network protocol ... In general, real work was carried out for 800 thousand rubles. 168 million rubles were spent on this. That is, to spend 1 million rubles on WORKS AND EQUIPMENT, it is necessary to allocate 200 million from the budget .. So the program is financed tens of times more than it needs.
    Of course, no more reasons are given in the article. Delaying the deadlines, accident rate, etc., etc., all this is a simple consequence of the fact that in our entire anecdotal state, to spend one ruble on work, you need to put 200. What is able to slightly shift this proportion? The real need for this particular job.
    Real, and not like in the lunar space program, because the Moon at this stage in the development of cosmonautics, earthlings need as an umbrella fish. Understanding that besides dubious prestige, there is nothing to take from the Moon, our officials calmly steal money, dismiss something engineers who are buzzing about the efficiency and quality, and generally behave like in all other sectors of our phantom economy.
    I do not understand the indignation ...
    1. +1
      25 February 2020 09: 30
      On Thursday, in my opinion, the report of road cars that lay asphalt in the Krasnodar Territory got on the network.

      Will they not work on Friday? or disappear "like dust, like morning mist." Or don't you look that far?
      1. 0
        25 February 2020 09: 30
        The work is completed. Hehe ...
  16. -2
    25 February 2020 09: 36
    The entire potential of mankind is spent on confrontation with each other, Russia, if given 20 years of rest, could make a leap forward, not to mention if the countries began to work together on this. But this is a utopian picture, the power of this world is not profitable for the conquest of space, in particular, it is not profitable for the "hegemon", they have a stake in being "kings of the garbage dump," water, forests and minerals. The hegemon has no brains to conquer space, but he still has the strength not to allow individual states to focus on this. Why does the hegemon need space, he has a dream of a "golden billion" in his sore head and a sole dominion on Earth. And Russia simply does not have enough strength for such projects and this is not Russia's fault, but of course one can shout corruption, theft, nepotism, etc. Of course, not without this, but how can we resist the collective West, terrorists, sanctions, eternal stabs and stabs in the back, the arms race that never ended, the encirclement from all sides by NATO bases and, as if nothing had happened, successfully implement lunar program. "There is no time for fat here, I would live," therefore, the terms are shifted, but how else?
    1. +4
      25 February 2020 10: 56
      Quote: Air Force
      , Russia, if given 20 years of peace, could make a breakthrough,

      Somewhere about peace has already sounded.
      1. 0
        25 February 2020 11: 16
        They say that Stolypin PA said so: "Give the state 20 years of external and internal peace and you will not recognize Russia." PS Only it seems to me that in the entire history of Russia, she did not have so much time of peace and quiet, external and internal. True, this may be where strength lies, eternal mobilization, a struggle that does not allow one to relax and become a flabby and arrogant country that will begin to degenerate and freak out from fat. A rhetorical question, of course. And in this rhetoric, unfortunately, there is little room for conquering space.
        1. -1
          25 February 2020 11: 18
          Quote: Air Force
          The truth may be in this lies the power, the eternal mobilization, the struggle does not allow to relax and become a flabby and swaggering country

          And did Stolypin “mobilize” strongly? Although if we consider that the country and his actions were brought before “October”, then yes.
          1. -4
            25 February 2020 12: 02
            And what did Stolypin manage to do? He was blocked by both left and right. If the Stolypin reforms were really carried out, then there would be neither February nor October.
            1. +1
              25 February 2020 12: 05
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              If the Stolypin reforms were really carried out

              Yes, yes .. did not give the Herods 20 years of peace ...
          2. 0
            25 February 2020 12: 21
            And where does Stolypin? He did not talk about mobilization, he talked about 20 years of peace. And I wrote a comment in the context that if Russia had 20 years of peace, it could make a breakthrough into space, instead of defending itself from the attacks of vultures. And the fact that Russia still has not been able to conquer the moon is not the fault of Russia, but the fault of its enemies, one has to be distracted by the neutralization of both external and internal enemies. Spray time and energy and money. And shouting about the fact that everything is about ... Wed (asleep) while they are trying to spoil from all sides, it is incorrect and tantamount to standing on the same side with the shitting enemies of Russia. But as for me, no matter how hard the West is trying, no matter how hard it is now, the cosmos will be Russian, I believe in it. PS And about mobilization, this is a rhetorical digression from the main topic, in response to your comment that you have already heard this somewhere.
            1. +4
              25 February 2020 12: 25
              Quote: Air Force
              And the fact that Russia still has not been able to conquer the moon is not the fault of Russia, but the fault of its enemies, one has to be distracted by the neutralization of both external and internal enemies.

              It also pins you along the way. Dear friend, if Russia had not been plundered in such a barbaric way, then for the stolen trillions the country could be rebuilt twice again, and the space subway could be launched to the moon, and you are talking about "vorogov".
              1. +2
                25 February 2020 12: 45
                So you read more carefully, well, or more thoughtful about the "vorogov" external and internal is written the same.
                1. +4
                  25 February 2020 13: 02
                  Quote: Air Force
                  So you read more carefully, well, or more thoughtful about the "vorogov" external and internal is written the same.

                  A traitor disguised as a patriot is worse than an enemy, and it is this traitor who launches a bugaboo about external enemies in order to steal and plunder more under the smokescreen of false patriotism, thus working to support the "partner" economies.
                  1. +1
                    25 February 2020 19: 37
                    You would cut the slings in the first jump (if there was such a thing), so you would become a samurai who made a seppuku.
            2. +7
              25 February 2020 12: 42
              There was no rest day in the USSR, but only how did these guys manage to win the war and go out into space ... and we’ve been eating a lot for 30 years.
              1. +1
                25 February 2020 13: 06
                And no one argues with this, only in the USSR there were 15 republics, and now independent countries, so there was cooperation. Now Russia alone is working on this program, and if you imagine cooperation from 15 countries that are working on the lunar project and all with dedication. Then the result will be different. Why go far Baikonur in independent Kazakhstan is located, which occupies the 9th place on the planet in terms of area, and used to be part of the USSR, Ukraine is "Maidanit" and its industry does not contribute to the Russian Lunar Program, and all the rest go about their business but before everyone worked as a single organism, on one project, here's the result. And then they always compare the USSR with Russia, and the fact that these are 15 republics are forgotten for some reason, human capital, minerals were all in one country, so the result was different.
                1. -1
                  25 February 2020 13: 09
                  I will say - you won’t believe, these territories were included in the Russian Empire, there were even more. But they didn’t even make bearings, let alone the electrotechnical and electrovacuum industry which was "advanced" ...
      2. +3
        25 February 2020 13: 43
        Quote: mat-vey
        Quote: Air Force
        , Russia, if given 20 years of peace, could make a breakthrough,

        Somewhere about peace has already sounded.

        So Putin loved for the time being .. to quote Stolypin for a while .. they say give Russia 20 years (that is, Putin) and you won’t recognize Russia .. you gave .. we’ll still know .. Now the truth is not quoting anymore .. it’s not clever. Although he probably doesn’t have that feeling ..
        1. +3
          25 February 2020 13: 47
          Quote: Svarog
          still find out ..

          And the picture is getting closer to the times of Stolypin ....
          1. +2
            25 February 2020 13: 49
            Quote: mat-vey
            Quote: Svarog
            still find out ..

            And the picture is getting closer to the times of Stolypin ....

            Yes, according to the level of education, medicine and the economy itself, which from the industrial again becomes agrarian oil and gas .. back to the past .. to the feudal state ..
            1. +3
              25 February 2020 14: 11
              So it seems and the boyars are planned ..
          2. -4
            25 February 2020 18: 51
            At the time of Stolypin, Russia was on an economic upswing. In terms of national income growth, the Russian Empire was ahead of many countries, including the United States.
    2. 0
      26 February 2020 09: 20
      Your cliches are very pretty, but it's cliche anyway. As for the confrontation, you are right ... and not right) Confrontation is the engine of existence. When there is nobody and nothing to resist, the object stops. And the stop in our universe is death. That is, the object begins to disintegrate, so that those who wage a fierce struggle for existence at their level move. Death of a higher life for putrid microbes to live.
      The Golden Billion is a fairy tale for this very billion to help the United States in a fight with its main competitor - the USSR. There is no USSR, and Trump began to openly gut the bulk of the stupidly relaxed billion, acting completely like our bandits - drive the loot for the roof! I’ll tear it apart when I find out that you don’t have democracy, and you are against the environment!
      The USSR had 30 years of peace, which he used to completely rot, decompose, betray and sell everything sacred ...
  17. -6
    25 February 2020 09: 39
    The article and comments are a great example of how brainwashing works and what a properly trained audience is.
    We must manage this - write about a successful launch in such a way that it would look like another failure of the hated government.
    Is this a Russian site for sure? Not Echo of Moscow?
  18. +3
    25 February 2020 09: 50
    The mundane goals of leadership interfere with the exploration of the moon and outer space as a whole. They need big houses and beautiful expensive cars, not abstract space.
    Space in itself at this stage of development will not bring profit. What kind of development can we talk about if everyone in our country is busy making money. Now it is not communism with its high ideals and goals.
    1. -11
      25 February 2020 09: 56
      The United States managed to build beautiful houses, drive expensive cars, and at the same time successfully master space.
      And this is under capitalism. How so? Why is capitalism necessary for the capitalist? (as we think).
      So yes, until the moon. People first want to eat their fill, ride in expensive cars. Tired after 70 years of high ideals in holey harnesses.
      1. +1
        25 February 2020 10: 07
        And how did they successfully master it? In addition to automatic devices and telescopes, they have nothing to brag about! Capitalism is busy plundering the planet and more. They need space only for military advantage!
        In orbit, they do not know how to live on their own, the ISS is exclusively Soviet technology, modernized under modern realities.

        In general, apple trees will not bloom on Mars under capitalism
        1. -6
          25 February 2020 10: 10
          So far, it’s precisely the robots created under capitalism that plow the expanses of Mars and fly to the borders of the solar system
          Probably with the goal of sacking the Kuiper belt.
          1. +2
            25 February 2020 10: 17
            Yes, you still add to the list of achievements the roadster mask, but what after this launch, the shares rose.

            So, only Soviet communists, for the time being, possessed the technologies of long-term stay in orbit. And now, out of kindness (or betrayal), there is the ISS, on which capitalists learn to survive in space.
            A fact is a fact, a socialist system is much more effective for space exploration than a capitalist one. With incomparably lower costs, under socialism in space exploration a much better result was obtained.
            1. -9
              25 February 2020 10: 20
              The results of these - - only 2.
              The first satellite and the first man in space. And then, managed to overtake literally a little bit.
              Quote: JonnyT
              A fact is a fact, a socialist system is much more effective for space exploration than a capitalist one.

              What space? She could not master the Earth, died miserably.
              1. +1
                25 February 2020 10: 27
                Oh sure. They told you on TV that you couldn’t, then this is the truth. And the fact that the USSR began to collapse from the beginning of the 50s does not count of course.

                Then I see how capitalism Syria Libya and Ukraine is mastering - very successfully. Yes, and about the saints of the 90s in Russia, too, should not be forgotten.
                The first artificial earth satellite
                The First Man in Space
                First spacewalk
                The first long-term orbital station.
                All these are achievements of socialism, moreover, of the post-war period.

                At this time, the fat capitalists were only able to make a sub-orbital flight and launch several blanks
  19. -1
    25 February 2020 10: 18
    What prevents the implementation of the lunar program? Change of goal setting, state priorities. The lunar program is like a ritual with a long-forgotten original meaning. The ritual, which, according to custom, must be performed, but why - the authorities do not remember. But we have to. And the people tell about legends about themselves: there was a time, they flew, lunar rovers ran on the Moon, devices landed on Venus. “What are you doing!” The young generation makes round eyes, “that cannot be!” And we give him pictures, chronicles. But young people already have their eyes on the moon and other space do not burn. Loans would be repaid. And it turns out, the country that the tongue. Where they turned, then it happened. Unless the defense capability in space is somehow annoying. And space - it is such, requires a fair share of inexpedient, impractical romanticism, fanatical belief in its necessity. Without this, he is a poorly performed ritual performed using fake church oil in a poor church.
  20. 0
    25 February 2020 10: 25
    The lunar program for Russia makes sense only as an ideological continuation of the ISS. That is, only in the international format. Cooperation instead of competition. And by no means a new "moon race", who will surpass whom. This is a guaranteed failure. Yes, and in the international format, you can only participate on the condition that it will at least have the same rights as in the ISS. That is, our own means of delivering astronauts from Earth to the Moon and from the Moon to Earth, our own module at the international lunar station, our own spacesuits, a lunar rover, and other EVA means.
  21. 0
    25 February 2020 10: 26
    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
    There will be no fulfillment. In 2028 they will be transferred to 2038, and in 2038 - to 2050. It is time to see an approximate pattern of how such things work. They wanted to finish the nuclear tug first by 2018, then transferred to 2030. In 2030 everyone will forget about it, because they will discuss the transfer of some Yenisei.

    by then * Federation * / the Eagle will evolve and become the Millennium Falcon, and instead of Rogozin, Obi Wan Kenobi will chair Roscosmos wassat about where D. Vader will be modestly silent laughing
  22. +2
    25 February 2020 10: 29
    The lack of a clear and concise understanding of why Russia has a moon interferes. And generally manned astronautics.
  23. +1
    25 February 2020 10: 31
    The Americans will build a lunar orbital station. There and fly.
    Remember my words.
  24. +2
    25 February 2020 10: 33
    Quote: Stas157
    The era of high achievements in space and space pioneers left with the USSR.

    Judging by the rampant corruption, space leaders now have different tasks. All worries about their well-being, but the moon does not care.

    And no one expects from Roscosmos these interplanetary flights. Is not it?

    well written.
    now one Tovarisch will stick to you, from here on VO already with foam at the mouth he proved and listed the successful launches of Roscosmos over the past year (everything was "put into orbit, put into orbit") and so I wrote about the same as you, that for a long time we cannot fly anywhere FURTHER orbit, and we will fly into orbit, but only as long as there is still something from the backlog of the USSR
    1. -3
      25 February 2020 10: 52
      Spectrum RG
      The launch of the scientific observatory was successfully completed on July 13, 2019 by the Proton-M launch vehicle from the Baikonur Cosmodrome.
      What is not a successful project MORE than orbit, as you put it?
  25. -1
    25 February 2020 10: 38
    Well, yes, the big powers with the economy more than ours are united at times to fly to the moon, and we like - we ourselves .. circus with horses
  26. +2
    25 February 2020 10: 40
    Quote: Air Force
    The whole potential of mankind goes to confrontation with each other, if Russia had given 20 years of peace, it could have made a breakthrough, not to mention if the countries had begun joint work on this.


    Yeah, dreams;) 20 years we would have been robbed by our own officials and their friends, than they are actually doing now, only on a smaller scale in comparison with this "mythical period"
  27. +1
    25 February 2020 10: 49
    The absence of a heavy carrier interferes. No at least 100 tons - no moon.
  28. +2
    25 February 2020 11: 07
    Quote: Mestny
    Spectrum RG
    The launch of the scientific observatory was successfully completed on July 13, 2019 by the Proton-M launch vehicle from the Baikonur Cosmodrome.
    What is not a successful project MORE than orbit, as you put it?

    Spectrum RG - Russian-German ORBITAL Astrophysical Observatory. I still have not forgotten how to read. Geostationary or whatever else I do not care, this is the orbit around the earth, so the Spectrum of the WG is not an AMS ...
    well, let's list in a new way for me what Roskosmos successfully brought to orbit with Proton or Trampoline, no difference wassat
  29. 0
    25 February 2020 11: 08
    Quote: Pavel73
    The lack of a clear and concise understanding of why Russia has a moon interferes. And generally manned astronautics.

    how for what? for the same as always - for cutting dough wassat
    and unfortunately another fact: there is no clear understanding because there is no GOAL, there is not that enthusiasm that designers had and indeed ordinary people in the USSR. Mask, whatever one may say, has both. But what goals does Mr. Rogozin have for me is not clear
  30. 0
    25 February 2020 11: 39
    Describing the problems with the recent launch of the Soyuz-2.1a rocket from Plesetsk, experts noted that the launch carried out military combat crews, which "could underfill fuel in the third stage when refueling before launch."
    Sorry, but if the warriors from the combat crew make such mistakes, then this is a very, very alarming sign. And here, obviously, the problem is not in financing, monetary allowance and other buns in the form of special food, etc. for the numbers of the combat crew at the cosmodrome, they are now very, very worthy, especially when compared with civilian salaries in the same Arkhangelsk region, on a quite comparable in importance "Zvezdochka".
    1. +2
      25 February 2020 13: 25
      Well, actually for this article was written. Take a look at the combat crew, repeat once again the excuses of Roskosmos. Here is the keyword "could" and a link to anonymous experts, forgetting to mention that in addition to underfilling, the cause may be another problem in the third stage.
  31. +1
    25 February 2020 12: 21
    The author is disingenuous about underfunding, for about 8 years Roskomos has definitely received budget money in an increased amount, and often they are simply not mastered by Roskosmos and returned to the budget, or transferred to enterprises, then R&D does not produce results, fines are imposed, which aggravates an already deplorable state astronautics.
  32. +1
    25 February 2020 17: 08
    Quote: JonnyT
    Yes, you still add to the list of achievements the roadster mask, but what after this launch, the shares rose.

    So, only Soviet communists, for the time being, possessed the technologies of long-term stay in orbit. And now, out of kindness (or betrayal), there is the ISS, on which capitalists learn to survive in space.
    A fact is a fact, a socialist system is much more effective for space exploration than a capitalist one. With incomparably lower costs, under socialism in space exploration a much better result was obtained.

    In the meantime
    Upcoming launches:
    - March - Falcon 9 - CRS-20
    - Not earlier than March 11 - Falcon 9 - Starlink-5
    - Not earlier than March 20 - Starship SN1 - flight for 20 km
    - March 30 - Falcon 9 - SAOCOM-1B and Smallsat Rideshare Program-1
    1. -1
      25 February 2020 17: 50
      Quote: honest people
      - Not earlier than March 20 - Starship SN1 - flight for 20 km

      You slander the Great Mask !!
      six months ago, he said that in March 2020 there will be a not insignificant jump of Starship on 20 km,
      and full orbital flight !!

      And in 2018, he sent a manned dragon around the moon.

      Zatolbali haters Mask, can not accept his achievements.
      For example, with the genius Hyperlup.
  33. -1
    25 February 2020 18: 23
    I worked in Kazakhstan on a machine. “Do you want to see what we are doing?” He talked to the guards, because I did not have a permit. After the heat in our workshop, we got into a cool room. And we saw her. The car. I had a lot of installers I knew. Perhaps because they were shooting my smoke. They had no pockets in their overalls, and they were far away to run after a smoke. The regime was very strict. Each seal in the pass indicated admission to a particular object. ON the street 34 degrees at night, but nevertheless we went out to breathe. Baikonur should serve us for a long time. And for this we need to launch one or two Kazakh cosmonauts so that the Kazakhs feel their involvement in space.
  34. +1
    25 February 2020 21: 30
    Quote: knn54
    Not WHAT, but WHO.

    Apparently all the lack of Article 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR ...
  35. -2
    25 February 2020 22: 27
    What is in the way? Capitalism.
  36. 0
    25 February 2020 22: 48
    I repeat:
    There are no problems with "legacy" and so on. There is a lack of interest in space as an object of research among those who make decisions about funding. During the Soviet era, interest was fueled by the ideological component of educating young people ("and there will be apple trees on Mars ...", etc.) Naturally, society was interested and indirectly created pressure on the authorities, which were often forced to allocate considerable funds for purely scientific programs. Science took advantage of this and received opportunities.
    Now this is not, no influence - there is no talk of pressure! - the society does not directly or indirectly render, because now capitalism and people, of course, are completely occupied with the survival problems.
    In the United States, the situation is fundamentally different - there science is far from being 100% funded by the state, and besides, it has always been extremely financially independent due, firstly, to the interest of private companies (and there are an absolute majority) in research results to increase competitiveness of goods and services, and secondly, through funds created back in the 19th century by various rich people to support - targeted - specific universities and specific areas of research.
    In addition, the American society is much richer than the Russian one, there is, let's say, "surplus", which - with appropriate and very effective pressure on the Finnish. lawmakers - are sent to these same studies.
    And, of course, to a great extent, the system of very rapid implementation of the achievements of space hi-tech into commercial products works very effectively in terms of "knocking out" funds for space - yes, many ideas for new com- products become the "water belts" of space programs.
    In the Russian Federation, all this does not work and cannot work, because There is no own commercial interest in new technologies, only in the military-industrial complex, but everything is specific and classified there.
    And goods can also be purchased in China: according to my "long-term observations", the country's leaders have long ceased to believe in the ability of Russian business to become innovative. True, there is a very important nuance in the misunderstanding of some points, but this is already politics ...