Sohu: Massive use of F-16 Turkey could break through Syria's air defense system

The Chinese portal Sohu published a material in which the author’s thoughts on the possible use of military combat by Turkey are presented aviation in the sky over Syria. The author reminds Chinese readers that there are currently several options for modern air defense systems in Syria: the Russian S-400 air defense systems based on the Khmeimim air defense system, the Pantsir air defense system, as well as the S-300 air defense systems that were previously delivered to increase capabilities Syrian air defense.

At the same time, the military section of Sohu says that the Turkish Air Force "with special desire could break through the air defense of the SAR." It is recalled that the Turkish Air Force has more than 250 F-16 fighters of various modifications, including the F-16D Block 50+.

From the article:

The F-16, in fact, has a fairly rich experience in aerial combat with Soviet and Russian-made aircraft.

It is recalled that in the spring of 1999, the F-16 fighters of the Netherlands Air Force and the US Air Force shot down two MiG-29 fighters in the sky over Yugoslavia. It is alleged that the F-16 "has never been shot down by a Soviet or Russian-made aircraft." India is ready to argue with this statement, where in a few days they will mark the anniversary of the attack by the R-73 missile from the MiG-21 on the F-16 of the Pakistan Air Force. In India, they say that a Pakistani plane was then shot down.

The author of the material on a Chinese resource writes that if Turkey decides to use aviation massively (F-16), then the Syrian air defense system will not be able to oppose this to anything.

From the article:

For all history F-16 fighters shot down more than 60 Soviet-made combat aircraft, including fighters, attack aircraft and bombers.

Comments by Chinese users on this material are striking. Here are a few of them.

Well, if so, then let them try it first.

Russia has a Su-35 there, so they are talking about air defense systems, and we must not forget about aviation.

And if it turns out that Russia also has a Su-57?

Let them better explain why the Turks are fighting on Syrian soil.

And by and large, the author’s message about the “breakthrough of the Syrian air defense system” is not entirely clear. The size and location of Idlib province is such that it is not necessary to enter the airspace of the ATS for air strikes. In this regard, the Syrian geography is well known in the Israeli Air Force, striking from outside the Syrian airspace. Therefore, the point is not a “breakthrough of air defense”, but what kind of policy they are going to implement in Ankara.

Comments

[rocket757]

An empty chatter .... if only, if only!
There will be no easy walk for anyone and there will be losses.
Because they do not fly, because everything has long been calculated and do not want to be left without aviation.

[Krasnodar]

A raid of 250 snouts is a serious thing, they will not do without losses, but they will not lose all aviation either - 10 percent is already a lot. If only Syrians repel the attack

[AVA77]

But what for? A raid of 250 snouts. Stupidly run and see what happens.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: AVA77

But what for? A raid of 250 snouts. Stupidly run and see what happens.

On a fig a raid in 250 snouts is to Sohu))

[AVA77]

Krasnodar
Comprehensive answer I have no more questions.

[Arberes]

Quote: Krasnodar

On a fig a raid in 250 snouts is to Sohu))

And by the way about the "birds"! In addition to the role of the Syrian air defense system, I would like to raise the issue of the SAR Air Force.
Control over its territory should also be carried out by these means. To teach Arab pilots or use professional mercenaries, to open warehouses with Mig-29 and to Syria for reinforcement.

[_Ugene_]

In addition to the role of Syria’s air defense systems, I would also like to raise the issue of the SAR Air Force.

normal combat aircraft is very expensive, and Syria wouldn’t have money for many years to oppose the Israeli or Turkish air forces on an equal footing, they’ll have a complete shak with ground forces, what can we say about aviation, or do you propose to equip them with our air forces ? so we ourselves cried about modern fighters

[Arberes]

Quote: _Ugene_

and that on equal terms to oppose the Israeli or Turkish air forces, Syria will not have money for many many more years

I'm not talking about being equal. As an addition to ground-based air defense systems. Yes - it's expensive, but a bit of options, as it were? We are there for a long time.
MiG-29 is not so modern.

[Evil Booth]

Does this somehow cancel the flawedness of f16? Threat 10 beeches 240 efk to dig soil. for 1 volley. beeches in the ATS of an even 30. They still complained about this discovery in the late 90s.

[ali58]

In 1941, the Nazis also buried Soviet aviation, and in 1945 the Nazis themselves were buried in the Reichstag.

[Roman1970_1]

Do you compare the capabilities and sizes of the USSR and Syria?
In the Second World War there was where to retreat and where to transfer production, and there was someone to develop technologies, etc.
Syria has nothing to do with it and is close

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Arberes

Quote: Krasnodar

On a fig a raid in 250 snouts is to Sohu))

And by the way about the "birds"! In addition to the role of the Syrian air defense system, I would like to raise the issue of the SAR Air Force.
Control over its territory should also be carried out by these means. To teach Arab pilots or use professional mercenaries, to open warehouses with Mig-29 and to Syria for reinforcement.

It is possible, but pilot training is a very laborious and expensive process. The Turkish have approximately 180 hours of annual flying time (without simulators) - count how much Syrians need to be prepared to approach the Ottoman level

[Arberes]

Quote: Krasnodar

It is possible, but pilot training is a very laborious and expensive process.

I guess and still need to do this. For the first time, professional mercenaries, and there their own - Arab cadres will arrive in time.
Once we helped the Syrians restore the air defense shield. The truth then was the USSR and there were more funds.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Arberes

I guess and still need to do this. For the first time, professional mercenaries, and there their own - Arab cadres will arrive in time.
Once we helped the Syrians restore the air defense shield. The truth then was the USSR and there were more funds.

In the Arab-Israeli wars, this worked from 1973 to 1982, when the Israelis crushed a multi-level air defense system with normal air support in a day. Now everything is much more complicated - the means of air attack and electronic warfare are more sophisticated

[Arberes]

Quote: Krasnodar

In the Arab-Israeli wars, this worked from 1973 to 1982, when the Israelis crushed a multi-level air defense system with normal air support in a day.

Are you talking about "Medvedka"?

Quote: Krasnodar

Now everything is much more complicated - the means of air attack and electronic warfare are more sophisticated

And more enemies, but fighting off only with ground-based air defense systems is a pre-losing option.

[Krasnodar]

Exactly
I agree - the air defense should be comprehensive, but now they have no money for it

[sivuch]

Yes, there were very serious problems with both the materiel and the drugs. By the way, this also concerned Soviet advisers.

[Evil Booth]

false 146%. it’s just that there were 20 wasps in the USSR in the USSR with at least 19 all dopradars and mig21 prtiv f15 somehow not ice. but even on Wikipedia it says ... a crowd of 19 was suppressed by fire from .. the earth. By the way, Israeli f16 shot down last year ... a square)) they still say 96,6% that Gaddafi with a force of 200 shot down a couple of US planes and even raised aug from aug)) and this .. it’s not going to be like anyway with air defense in Israel . MLRS patriot shows itself better and better in Arabia year after year. as previously sobsno. then there is no way

[sivuch]

And where are these pilots now - after the Erdogan purges?

[Krasnodar]

This, by the way, is a good question.
What’s going on with his army

[YOUR]

I remember after the school arrived in the unit. At the ceremonial construction of the command staff, the deputy brigade commander issued a rech - comrade officers, lieutenants and ensigns ...
It was a shame. After several years, an understanding came that the lieutenant after the school was not a fully-fledged officer.
I recalled after reading your proposal ...

To teach Arab pilots or use professional mercenaries, to open warehouses with Mig-29 and to Syria for reinforcement.

It is necessary to prepare a normal pilot for more than one year, and another question is why we, our country should give airplanes. Are the Air Forces not in their best shape?

[rocket757]

That's right, nobody is engaged in "carpet leveling" now ....

[fk7777777]

Yes, it’s kind of, you won’t fight, a children's joke.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: AVA77

Stupidly run and see what happens.

gee gee read how much "1 snout" costs and you will understand why it is really stupid and why they do not fly.

[dorz]

Quote: Krasnodar

A raid of 250 snouts is a serious thing, they will not do without losses, but they will not lose all aviation either - 10 percent is already a lot. If only Syrians repel the attack

Two strategists flying over the Black Sea will be able to defeat any Turkish aircraft.

[Big Cat]

The question is: who will let them fly there in the event of a military conflict?

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Krasnodar

A raid of 250 snouts is a serious thing, they will not do without losses, but they will not lose all aviation either - 10 percent is already a lot. If only Syrians repel the attack

Let them try it will be interesting to watch the falling F-16s. Erdogan in Turkey will not be forgiven. Not so long ago, there was a raid on the ATS of 103 snouts (KR) and the air defense of the ATS seemed to do pretty well, having shot down 71 KRs, which are harder to shoot down than F-16. How will you feel in Ankara if they lose 71 F-16 in one day ,a?
Almost all the objects that were covered by air defense systems repelled the blow. In total, air defense units destroyed 71 of the 103 cruise missiles identified in the airspace of the Republic, said Russian Ministry of Defense spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov.
When repulsing the strike, a total of 112 anti-aircraft guided missiles were consumed. SAM "Shell" 25 missiles fired, 23 targets hit, SAM Buk - 29 missiles, 24 targets hit.

The Osa air defense system launched 11 missiles, hit 5 targets, the S-125 air defense missile systems - 13 missiles, hit five targets. The Arrow-10 complex - 5 missiles were fired, and 3 targets were hit, the Kvadrat complex - 21 missiles, 11 targets were hit.

[Krasnodar]

About the successful display of the Tomahawk attack - most missiles are shot down from the discharge, all targets are destroyed

[Foxnova]

Yes, that's just f16 never an ax
It will be very a pity even with a loss of 30%

[Krasnodar]

Sorry for the bee
Or the sapper is mistaken twice in life: the first time - signing up for sapper courses.
Pilots are well aware of what they are doing, choosing this prestigious army profession.

[Foxnova]

Well, of course, how many recent operations there have been equal against an equal opponent?

[Krasnodar]

And who had at least some kind of operation against a more or less equal opponent? The amers with Iraq had something similar (an army with a large number of tanks and guns, some kind of no air defense ) with Iraq, among the Israelis in 1982 with Syria (very short period), with the Russian Federation in 2008 with Georgia - which also cannot be called equal, well, and Britons with Argentines. All the rest is the use of individual contingents, more often of individual military branches somewhere out there or the struggle with irregular units.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

a raid on the SAR in 103 snouts (KR) and the air defense of the SAR seemed to do pretty well, shooting down 71 KR

And the missing CRs were soon discovered at the Makhachkala bazaar, with broken numbers sorry, could not resist

[Krasnodar]

Their guys from Kabarda were selling - no need to sweeping Dagestan indiscriminately!

[Pete mitchell]

Wildly sorry, not from evil.
Moreover, my friend from Makhachkala says that it’s normal, they have everything in the market

[Krasnodar]

Tomahawks, to whom Tamahawks - weddings, anniversaries, division of land ..

[Pete mitchell]

One word is bazaar.

[Roman1970_1]

Do you believe that?
Tomogawk found the target and the Syrians shot him down for this purpose.
All is well and the target is destroyed and the tomahawk is shot down

[fk7777777]

It was enough for the Americans to lose 31 strategists in order to start dumping from Vietnam ... By this it is still unclear, they have not fallen qualitatively and quantitatively. By the way, for some reason, losses in aviation are always more sensitive than losses in other branches of the armed forces.

[qpeqop]

What is characteristic: the axes were fired first from one ship (almost all were shot down), then there was a salvo from another ship (they were not shot down at all). The second salvo was simply not expected and went to smoke. If they didn’t go, then the failure of the attack with axes would be simply stunning.

[rocket757]

Quote: Krasnodar

If only Syrians repel the attack

Is it again IF? And if not IF?
In general, let's see. how will it be.

[IvanT]

Are all 250 on alert? !!! There may be unexpected people)))

[voyaka uh]

"That is why they do not fly because they have calculated everything long ago and do not want to be left without aviation" ///
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Erdogan does not dare to launch his aircraft against Russian aviation.
And it is impossible to distinguish Syrian aircraft from Russian in such a small area as Idlib.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: voyaka uh

"That is why they do not fly because they have calculated everything long ago and do not want to be left without aviation" ///
----
Erdogan does not dare to launch his aircraft against Russian aviation.
And it is impossible to distinguish Syrian aircraft from Russian in such a small area as Idlib.

Erdogan does not dare to take a gamble, as he is afraid to once again sit in a puddle, that they might not forgive him at home if Akella misses. Big losses in Syria will be a disaster for him. The blitzkrieg will not work out for him. The ATS are not Kurdish partisans. And getting out of this swamp will be awesome.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Erdogan does not dare to adventure ...

Honestly: SOHU yellow cesspool is worse than NI.
You can break through any air defense, the question is what will it be? For Taipych that reputational loss that direct - this irreparable damagethat for him is unacceptable

[svp67]

Quote: rocket757

An empty chatter .... if only, if only!

A chatter, a chatter, but it's true.

Sohu: Massive use of F-16 Turkey could break through Syria's air defense system

But the trouble is that they will then have to face the Russian Aerospace Forces. And yes, the Turkish Air Force is capable of breaking through our air defense system in Syria, and destroying our Aerospace Forces aircraft in Syria, in view of their small number, but they perfectly understand that the losses will be significant, if not huge, and that the "big" Russia is in this the case will not be silent, and hundreds of Su, MiG and Tu will rush from the Crimea, Taman and the Caucasus ... to resist which there will be simply NOTHING. And so, YES, Turkey is quite capable of breaking through the Syrian air defense system, so such a full-fledged system does not yet exist

[fk7777777]

The problem for edik flugerovich is that some phantom may even land him under the guise, because there was already an incident with f-16, I wanted to shoot him with a vent if it weren’t for ours. Go figure out who is related to whom, and here the Sultan may be a sucker.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Because they don’t fly, because they’ve calculated everything for a long time and don’t want to be left without aviation ..... even as they thought it’s enough to land a couple of falcons on the ground and the ardor and heat will immediately subside,
on the topic .... The author reminds Chinese readers .... yeah. Go a lot of Chinese readers, already over a billion exceeded. here let the Chinese author -> author -> the author tell the Chinese readers how the Viet Cong, after leaving the states, bent down southern Vietnam. then half the soldiers. and then the great celestial, and so so far the tea house in Vietnam hasn’t shown a nose, now the truth is that the activity of the celestial in the area of ​​the Spratly Islands is very active. but this is only from the good of Ho Chi Minh

[Thrifty]

Return the "Bulletin of Mordovia", there are unbiased comments, there are experts, not "Ykspyrdy"!

[Spektr]

Quote: rocket757

A massive use of F-16 Turkey could break through the Syrian air defense system

Most likely she could just tear her ass, and it’s not surprising to lose her head.

[Sky strike fighter]

The current Syrian air defense is quite capable of coping with the F-16, as the practice of confronting not the most advanced air defense of the world against the F-16 shows.

But even before the start of the war, three US Air Force F-16s crashed on the Arabian Peninsula. Immediately during the war, seven F-16s were lost, of which three are officially considered shot down: they were shot down by Igla MANPADS, Kvadrat air defense systems and S-125 air defense systems. Why four more F-16s died is not entirely clear.

In May, the 2013 th Turkish F-16 for unknown reasons fell near the Syrian border. It is unclear whether this is a loss for technical reasons or from the effects of Syria’s air defense. In March, the X-NUMXs of the Turkish F-2014 shot down the Syrian MiG-16.

During the 28 war in Bosnia and Herzegovina on February 1994, the American F-16 shot down four Serbian J-21 attack planes, three of which were shot down by one American pilot. Combat losses amounted to one F-16C, which in June 1995 was shot down by the Kvadrat SAM system. Three more F-16 US Air Forces during the same war are considered lost for technical reasons.

During the 1999 war, American F-16s shot down one or two Serbian MiG-29s (the second, possibly, was shot down by its own Kvadrat air defense system). Own losses amounted to one F-16C, which on the night of May 1 to 2 was shot down by S-125

https://topwar.ru/57389-triumf-chetvertogo-pokoleniya.html

[Spektr]

But you see, many here are not corrected such conclusions. There are too many supporters of losing the war in Syria, not Turkey.

[rocket757]

I did not quote this, I do not even consider it as an option!
The question is NOT FOR ME.

[rocket757]

Quote: Spectrum

Quote: rocket757

A massive use of F-16 Turkey could break through the Syrian air defense system

Most likely she could just tear her ass, and it’s not surprising to lose her head.

I did not quote this and do not consider it as an option. The question is NOT FOR ME.

[Spektr]

My opinion. If you have brains, then you can challenge my comment, and if not, then minus. Although the pros and cons on this resource is the biggest stupidity that the human mind could come up with. Unless, of course, the goal is to separate peoples and people.

[cniza]

Quote: rocket757

There will be no easy walk for anyone and there will be losses.

Apparently Sohu is lightweight.

[rocket757]

"Their thoughts are light" ... but about the language, there are no questions at all, pomelo.

[cniza]

Oh, and talking, it always gives them pleasure ...

[Fantazer911]

What are you, this is an authoritative publication, airborne strategists are sitting in a sokha, everything is modeled already according to a special sokha program, everyone flew out and won

[Mavrikiy]

Since the start of operation, 671 F-16 Fighting Falcon crashes were recorded, in which 208 pilots died with a total number of 4600 aircraft. F-16 combat losses over the entire time of participation in local wars amounted to about 160 fighters.

of the latter,

On December 2, 2019, the US Air Force F-16CM crashed while entering the runway of the Kunsan Air Base in the Republic of Korea. The pilot catapulted and received minor injuries.
On January 14, 2020, the Egyptian Air Force F-16C Block 40 crashed near Rafah in the north of the Sinai Peninsula during a training flight. The pilot died

[figwam]

Therefore, the point is not in the "breakthrough of air defense", but in what kind of policy they are going to implement in Ankara.

Here a third party can arrange a provocation, then the situation can develop according to any scenario.

[Berkut752]

Who is at the helm of the aircraft, first tell me. On the Indo-Pakistani one of the participants was a MiG-21, and the second F-16 Block 52. The result yourself guess ..................
And secondly, Israel still "breaks through" it ............................

[Big Cat]

What is he breaking through there? Israeli Air Force planes simply do not enter the Syrian air defense zone, and Russian ones do not see them due to the "curvature of the earth" (read politicians)

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Big Cat

Israeli Air Force planes are simply not included in the Syrian air defense

A flight route has been published for Israeli warplanes that struck this afternoon in eastern Syria. As it turned out, the Israeli Air Force planes, and according to some sources, we can talk about the F-35, not only entered Syrian airspace, but also flew several hundred kilometers, being in the zone of detection and destruction of the Russian S-400 and Syrian S-300 systems.

[The Siberian barber]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Quote: Big Cat

Israeli Air Force planes are simply not included in the Syrian air defense

A flight route has been published for Israeli warplanes that struck this afternoon in eastern Syria. As it turned out, the Israeli Air Force planes, and according to some sources, we can talk about the F-35, not only entered Syrian airspace, but also flew several hundred kilometers, being in the zone of detection and destruction of the Russian S-400 and Syrian S-300 systems.

Colleague, what you just posted was published on, already, last week)))

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: The Siberian Barber

Colleague, what you just posted was published on, already, last week)))

You are right, but every time they write the same thing.
Big Cat (Big Cat) Today, 18:01
What is he breaking through there? Israeli Air Force planes simply do not enter the Syrian air defense zone, and Russian ones do not see them due to the "curvature of the earth" (read politicians)
I have to repeat it.

[shoroh]

Could, but could not.

[impostor]

TASS reports that the Turks with barmaley again climbed to Nairab. Again anxiety for the night.

[K-50]

An article in the Chinese portal Sohu is similar to arming and nagging, Provocative, in general.

[Tank jacket]

Liberals work at Sohu ...

[Tank jacket]

In order to conduct massive hostilities, money is needed, but Turkey does not. And they will try not enough and cook kebab ...
"The liberal financial model has outlived its usefulness" (c).

[Alexey Sommer]

You're right. As Napoleon said, three things are needed for war:
Firstly money, secondly money, and thirdly also money.)

[Livonetc]

Breaking through and completing a task is not the same thing.
A one-time breakthrough is possible and would have been provided.
The next raid would have been accompanied by losses unacceptable to the Turkish air force.
They would not have achieved air supremacy.
Unless really using the C400, however, such an application from the realm of fiction is still in Syria in the Russian Aerospace Forces.

[fk7777777]

M, yes, but if a new strait is made not far from 300 km to Istanbul to connect the black and Mediterranean seas, then the island of Istanbul seems to be a draw ...

[businessv]

The F-16, in fact, has a fairly rich experience in aerial combat with Soviet and Russian-made aircraft.

It’s like experience is gained by airplane, not by a pilot! This makes no sense! Why does Turkey need to break through the defense of the ATS? They need to bite off a piece of territory, and not get involved in a fight with heavy losses. Imperial Ottoman spirit wins common sense, damn it!

[fk7777777]

Then they first need to flee the Amer fleet in the Mediterranean Sea and capture the English base, close access to the Mediterranean Sea and forward, the Estonian Moldovans did not start from that point, oh not that ...

[lopuhan2006]

As I understand it, the Military Review got Chinese sponsors? For in a different way I can’t explain the frequency of mentioning this Chinese AIDS info ....

[Evil Booth]

Well, yes, mig31 would also be nice to shoot down ph4 with a phantom)) for the time being the phantom knocked down an armor with excellent guns. f16 Turkish nothing against the Syrian moment29 with guidance from the ground and available missiles with a much longer range. for a retaliatory breakthrough in Turkey, the SAR is enough at least because of the lack of air defense in Turkey with the c400 that characteristically covers the center of the country and not everything and everywhere) besides, Syria has nothing to lose and the Turks have 30 tourist lards out of all 170.

[Victor March 47]

Only a complete idiot could write that an airplane has experience.

[KCA]

I very much doubt that at least one third of the F-16s available to Turkey will be ready by order to take combat readiness within a week, take off and carry out a combat mission, then how many of these F-16s are air defense fighters and how many attack aircraft equipped with the necessary equipment land strikes, or is their task simply to delay the missiles and air defense fighters of Syria and the airborne forces?

[voyaka uh]

I think so too. There are few drums. But they don’t really need drums. Turkey has an advantage on land in the MLRS.
But part of the F-16 air defense could drive off the Su-24, interfering with the bombing, and part start a fight with the Su-35, using a large numerical advantage.
Of course, the loss of the F-16 and a sharp conflict with Russia are inevitable.

[rocket757]

There will be a "meeting of peacekeepers"! The Geyropeans will "persuade the Sultan" and he will make a "wise" decision.

[Sky strike fighter]

It’s easier to saturate the position of the SAA in Idlib Square, Buk, Carapace and Igla MANPADS. There are not so great distances there, and it’s stupid to get involved in an open conflict with Turkey, with which there are so many joint projects, and we need the Bosphorus as a supply. we seem to have nothing to do with it and at the same time Turkey, having suffered substantial losses in aviation, will give back. We can also act as intermediaries if we do not completely ruin our relations with Turkey before that. In April 2018, the ATS air defense dealt with massive kick of the coalition. 71 out of 103 KR were shot down, as officially announced at a briefing by the Russian Defense Ministry.

[impostor]

It is easier to saturate the position of the SAA in Idlib SAM, Square, Beech, Carapace and MANPADS Igla

Tama right now, mercury is needed

[voyaka uh]

"We shot down 71 out of 103 KR, as was officially announced at the briefing of the RF Ministry of Defense." ///
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There are other data.
They shot from three seas on one target in order to check the synchronism of strikes.
On these Tomahawks, experimentally installed transmitters to satellites. 4 rockets did not give a signal just before they hit the chemical institute’s building set.
Two things gave big shortfalls, falling in the south of Syria. 2 pieces were allegedly shot down by Syrian air defense.

[Yeraz]

Quote: voyaka uh

Turkey has an advantage on land in the MLRS.

this is why many missed this point. Many systems from the ground can cover the positions of the Syrians and act in a complex manner, it is not necessary to lift the entire air force into the air))

[KCA]

MLRS, even in the presence of satellite-controlled shells, can hardly be called a high-precision weapon, and the use of "smart" shells is expensive, they will be bullet ordinary, and there is too great a chance to get out of there, but what will happen if this turns out to be a Russian patrol or an MP base? Yes, and Syria has a sufficient number of "Tochka-U", can answer

[Zaurbek]

Do not forget that there is also an air defense system Iskander .... which also flounders around airfields and radars, and quite accurately.

[impostor]

RIA reported that as a result of an air strike (allegedly unidentified) in Idlib, 13 tomatoes were labeled "cargo 200". Chatter or not?

[serzh.kost]

is it near the settlement of Ihsel in Jabal az-zawiya? our planes were bombed there near the Turkish post. on Twitter, numerous Turkish victims were reported, but did not seem to be confirmed.
it's a pity...

[impostor]

Who struck the air strike is unknown. Somali pirates hike. And 13 tomatoes were voiced by themselves.

[Sky strike fighter]

Erdogan tries to wave his hands after a fight. The opposition lost the war on a national scale and then he suddenly decides to get involved in a war with both the SAR and the Kurds in the near future. This is not politics, but a disaster. For so many years they can’t cope with the Kurds, they also decided to fight Syria. And all this its borders.

At least 13 Turkish soldiers died as a result of an airstrike at a Turkish Armed Forces observation post in the Syrian province of Idlib, a Turkish military source told RIA Novosti.

“Thirteen Turkish soldiers were killed, several more were injured in an airstrike at a Turkish observation post in the village of Kansafra and al-Bara in Idlib province,” the source said.

At the same time, the source did not name the ownership of the aircraft that attacked the Turkish observation post.

Earlier it became known that the Turkish army and the armed pro-Turkish opposition launched an attack on the positions of the Syrian army in Idlib, Al Arabia television channel reported. According to the channel, there are "violent clashes between the attacking and government forces," TASS reports.

http://in24.org/world/38731

[serzh.kost]

well, it was near Kansafra that they covered a Turkish post. tweeters said that the Turks there are notably fried. waiting for confirmation.

[Old26]

Quote: aliev58

In 1941, the Nazis also buried Soviet aviation, and in 1945 the Nazis themselves were buried in the Reichstag.

Well, Syria is not the Soviet Union. Judging by the open data of fighter aircraft, they now have about 64 aircraft. Of which 30 MIG-29A and somewhere 34 MIG-23. Fighter-bombers - just over a hundred - 68 MIG-21 and 41 MIG-23BN. In addition, 28 SU-22 and 11 SU-24.
How many of them are in a combat-ready state is unknown.

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Not so long ago there was already a raid on the SAR of 103 snouts (KR) and the air defense of the SAR seemed to do pretty well, shooting down 71

This figure was announced in Koshenkov's publicized first press conference. The second press conference, as they say, was "let go on the brakes," when the same Koshenkov admitted that about 40 cruise missiles were actually hit.

[Sky strike fighter]

The second press conference, as they say, was "let go on the brakes," when the same Koshenkov admitted that about 40 cruise missiles were actually hit.

In more detail. A reference if possible. For the first time I hear.

[Nikolay3]

Quote: Old26

The second press conference, as they say, was "let go on the brakes," when the same Koshenkov admitted that about 40 cruise missiles were actually hit.

Old26, this is pure fake ...

[Xenofont]

VKS are rampant today, and Syrians are hitting Turkish posts. London observers write about the many Turkish wounded. The army is advancing from the east and southeast quite successfully.

[serzh.kost]

at the beginning of the day successfully, in the south of Idlib a decent territory was gnawed. but then it stalled, the terrorists are trying to counterattack, at night the Turkish artillery hit Serakib, today the terrorists are attacking Neyrab. Syrians have problems with guarding and escorting equipment, several trucks with ATGMs were knocked out during transportation.

[Xenofont]

Well, things don't go smoothly. As the saying goes, ... "no matter how much it hurts (green mold), just die ..."

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Arberes

Quote: Krasnodar

It is possible, but pilot training is a very laborious and expensive process.

I guess and still need to do this. For the first time, professional mercenaries, and there their own - Arab cadres will arrive in time.
Once we helped the Syrians restore the air defense shield. The truth then was the USSR and there were more funds.

If the generals in Arab countries were militant and not "thieves", then in the Arab-Israeli wars, victory would be on the side of the Arabs. And the warriors from the Arabs, as history shows, are useless, hence their present situation.

[Azazelo]

And lose 2/3 of the planes and pilots along with nmimi, what are you going forward

[serzh.kost]

Meanwhile, Turkey and Russia jointly patrol in Kobani)) war is war, and patrols are scheduled!

[Sarcasm]

F-16s of the Turks, almost all went through modernization, gentlemen, strategists, read the competent domestic resources.
Does "Wild Weasel" say anything to the loudest knockers? The Turks have this system and HARM missiles, they know the capabilities of the S-300, these SAMs are in service with the Greeks, so it’s foolish to believe that the Turkish Air Force did not practice methods of fighting it and destroying it. There is no point in talking about more ancient air defense systems, the Turks as NATO know them as flaky.

Syria has no chance before Turkey and its air force, and our group in Syria does not have any chances. Although I think our Turks will simply land, depriving them of supplies, so as not to heat up, and the Syrians will be rolled out.

Turks do not seek escalation and confrontation with us, so they will look for options until the very end. But as you can see, they are making preparations in case they fail to agree.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Sarkazm

their Turks like NATO know how flaky.

From what they know, it will be calmer to die in a falling plane?

[Rzzz]

It’s interesting that the infection infected a couple of dozen of my comments in a row ... Do you even draw, write what you do not like.
Not that this rating is very important to me, but suddenly I really said something wrong.

[Russian_man]

The massive use of nuclear weapons, Russia could divide Turkey in two or three. It will be very difficult to cross such borders. In that part, which is closer to Syria, it will be possible to resettle the SSA and all the Turkish trash. And then drive tours there, as in the Kunstkamera.

[Old26]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

In more detail. A reference if possible. For the first time I hear.

WAS on YouTube. Links usually do not store. About a couple of weeks after the first press conference. And if the first was advertised for a very long time, almost every TV show contained fragments from this press conference, then regarding the second, everything went very quietly. Of course, a sufficiently large number of Kyrgyzstan was shot down, but not 70%, as they said at the first press conference, but somewhere around 45%

[Mavrikiy]

Strange, a resource that certainly claims to be competent, knowledgeable and cares about educating its readers has never mentioned the consequences for F-16 pilots.

January 18, 1991 F-16A (s / n 79-0391, 138th ae / 174th ak) was hit by an Iraqi air defense missile. This plane later crashed.
January 19, 1991 F-16C (S / N 87-0228, 614th Air Force) was shot down by the Iraqi Kub air defense missile system during a raid on the air defense headquarters in Baghdad, pilot Dr. Harry Roberts was captured.
On January 19, 1991, the F-16C (s / n 87-0257, 401th ak) was shot down by the Iraqi S-125 air defense system, the pilot Mr. Jeffrey Theis was captured.
January 21, 1991 F-16C (s / n 88-0488, 388th AK) was hit by an Iraqi air defense missile S-125 over Baghdad.
January 21, 1991 F-16C (s / n 87-0224, 401th AK) fell into the Persian Gulf. During the bombing of enemy targets, premature detonation of the Mk.84 bomb occurred

and these are only two days of the war. Yes, the Turks do not need to be taught, they themselves can beat the F-16s; in total, three Turkish F-16s were lost in the Greek-Turkish conflict.

[Old26]

Quote: Nikolay3

Quote: Old26

The second press conference, as they say, was "let go on the brakes," when the same Koshenkov admitted that about 40 cruise missiles were actually hit.

Old26, this is pure fake ...

What is fake? Second press conference? Or the fact that they shot down not 71, but 40 kopecks of cruise missiles? So I saw her with my own eyes on YouTube. Was it specially "bungled" or what? The same Konashenkov spoke (sorry, before that he wrote his last name incorrectly)

[Sarcasm]

Quote: Russian_man

The massive use of nuclear weapons, Russia could divide Turkey in two or three. It will be very difficult to cross such borders. In that part, which is closer to Syria, it will be possible to resettle the SSA and all the Turkish trash. And then drive tours there, as in the Kunstkamera.

Um, probably if I were a barren impotent and an orphan, and everything listed above from birth, plus a loser with suicidal tendencies would write much cooler, what is there in three, six or nine parts, which is weak?

"The US has conducted "small exercises" in the event of a Russian nuclear strike against Europe, a Pentagon spokesman said.
According to him, the scenario of the exercise included an emergency situation in Europe, where there is a war with Russia and "Russia decides to use limited nuclear weapons of low power against an object on NATO territory."
In such a situation, the Pentagon spokesman explained, the defense minister and then the president intervenes "and ultimately a decision is made on how to react.""
https://ria.ru/20200222/1565086270.html

Since there are old people, there is a beloved woman and children born to her from me, well, a little pragmatism and gray matter, I understand that nuclear weapons in our country can only be a means of deterrence and the threat of a retaliatory strike pushes direct aggression away from us. Assad and his relatives are quite close to me, so that for their sake they can be substituted for the US nuclear strike, even taking into account our response, which is not yet a fact that will be adequate and commensurate with the American one. It is necessary to remember and soberly evaluate that the USSR and the USA had guaranteed parity, but Russia and the USA did not have it, no need to be deceived by the number of warheads in the warehouses. A warhead or an aerial bomb can pose a threat only if there is a means of guaranteed delivery to the target, and this is the carrier of the missiles, the missiles themselves, and the will of the first persons of the state. Before writing, compare the number of nuclear submarines of the missile carriers in our country and the USSR, the number of mine installations and mobile complexes, the number of strategic bombers and conditions - NATO was pushed away from the borders of the USSR by the Warsaw Treaty countries, and now we have dozens of Soviet submarines on hand combat duty, and ours more often stand at the piers at the bases ...
With this in mind, if we recall the plans for the "Global Strike", then when combined with a nuclear strike, our retaliatory strike will not be as destructive as the American strike against us.

In addition, when after such an exchange we will have no missile defense or air defense, we will also be poured with tactical atomic weapons, including the remnants of the Turkish Air Force. Let me remind you that the pilots of NATO countries that do not have nuclear weapons are constantly practicing the skills of using atomic weapons, by the way, we have repeatedly expressed our protests on this issue as it contradicts the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. So let me remind you that 50 B61 thermonuclear bombs are stored at the Incirlik base in Turkey, and it is expected that most of them will be dropped on our heads by Turkish pilots. And if before that we also "divide Turkey in two or three", our southern regions have no hopes - all who survive, everything that survives will be destroyed.

It seems that some posts are written not by semi-literate guards in parking lots, thus whiling away sleepless nights, but by foreign trolls, so that later, through quoting similar posts in which foreign media or on which foreign forums, over and over again show "these evil and crazy Russians" and to drive everyone into the heads of the old idea, which by the way has not been abandoned - that in the event of a crisis in Russia the nuclear weapons of the Russians should come under the control of "civilized countries." And the problem is that we don’t need to go far for the crisis, we don’t need enemies, our own authorities, even without a fifth column of liberals, can arrange a crisis in the country at any time, and of any scale.

[maidan.izrailovich]

It seems that some posts are not written by semi-literate watchmen in parking lots ....

Of course you consider yourself an "expert"?

So let me remind you that 50 thermonuclear bombs B61 are stored at the Incirlik base in Turkey ....

You apparently, like all the watchmen in the parking lots, believe that this arsenal (like all others like that) will survive after the first nuclear strike of Russia? Where such confidence?
The colleague to whom you answered certainly got excited. And no one will use nuclear weapons against Turkey. Russia has enough conventional forces and means to tame Turkey.
Moreover, on the part of the NATO countries their position has already been voiced. And no one will interfere in this conflict. And even more so use nuclear weapons against Russia.

[Sergey Freeman_61]

And here Assad ... Erdogan and I hugged, and now on the brink of war. Syria is a foothold in the Mediterranean. Losing it, tomorrow the hordes will rush to the Bosphorus and the Black Sea. And there is the strategic southern underbelly of Russia. So talking about love for Assad and his family is stupid and not an argument. In this case, the whole world needs to be made aware that the guys from the EU and the USA have played too much, and a fire could come up to the European powder magazine. I support the Kremlin’s intentions, and moreover, I believe that the aggravation with Turkey will be a lesson for all of Europe.

[maidan.izrailovich]

First of all, does Turkey have such a number of take-off sites to simultaneously raise so many fighters into the air? And preferably not so far from the theater.
Secondly, what Turkey certainly does not have is the experience of using so many fighters.

[g1washntwn]

If you change the Chinese edition, then if you give each Chinese a rifle with just one cartridge, then they will win anyway. How much in this attack will no longer be considered.

[Dzungar]

WO will still post this tabloid Chinese edition ...?

[5-9]

"If we all run at once, then they won't have time to kill everyone!" ... But in this way the air defense is better than the MiG-21, and even the MiG-17 is better to "break through" ... there were more of them before :)

By the way, has anyone sane thought about how many planes Turkey can use at the same time? I'm not even talking about operational / technical readiness, which, God forbid, is 70-75 percent (US level), but purely technically to lift them from the airfields so that "everyone is in a single blow", and not in waves, where will they be met in turn? The Turks practiced such a blow, will they be able to plan normally? I don't think that even in theory, a simultaneous strike of more than 5 dozen aircraft is possible ...

[Sergey Freeman_61]

an attack on Russian air defense forces in Syria will be tantamount to a declaration of war. In this case, Turkey will receive a powerful blow from several bridgeheads, including Crimea. For Turkey, this will mean the opening of a war on several fronts. I would not narrow the theater of operations to the Syrian one. The Turks are well aware of this. As for Russia's firmness in intentions and intransigence, it’s right in the Kremlin. Gas by gas, and geopolitical interests above. And the pipe will not go anywhere. There will be no Erdogan, there will be another leader who will buy gas. We are trading with Germany ...

[Sergey Bobrov]

The Turks have no experience. Clashes are expensive.

[Sarcasm]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

It seems that some posts are not written by semi-literate watchmen in parking lots ....
Of course you consider yourself an "expert"?

No, it’s far from an expert, although it’s possible to pun, once a similar title to my specialty indicated the level of qualification
And so everything is much simpler, I just love my homeland. And these are my old people, my children, my friends, colleagues, fellow citizens, and not a piece of sushi on the map, a pair of slender birches or a crooked pine tree on a cliff.
It was possible to see how old-fashionedness and irresponsibility end for the elderly, children and others, here mostly men gathered, fighting on the couch or in a comfortable chair with a bottle of beer in hand, shaking and waving fists is easier, and it is much more difficult to be responsible.

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

You apparently, like all the watchmen in the parking lots, believe that this arsenal (like all others like that) will survive after the first nuclear strike of Russia? Where such confidence?

Just because you missed m-AAA circumstance, this is a US military facility in Turkey, and an attack on it in any form is an attack on the United States. Just like, for example, an attack on a base in Hmeimim or in Tartus is an attack on us.
So how do you think, will the US object survive and will it be hit? ...

[kostas]

The Turkish Air Force has no more than 208 combat aircraft. These are F4 fighter-bomber aircraft, about 40, the rest are F16.

[Protos]

Quote: Roman1970_1

Do you compare the capabilities and sizes of the USSR and Syria?
In the Second World War there was where to retreat and where to transfer production, and there was someone to develop technologies, etc.
Syria has nothing to do with it and is close

They have Iran!

[Sarcasm]

Quote: kostas

The Turkish Air Force has no more than 208 combat aircraft. These are F4 fighter-bomber aircraft, about 40, the rest are F16.

Excluded double F-16D, as I understand it, and about 35 units of the Turks. Less fuel, otherwise a full fighter. Total 243, according to other sources 245 F-16C / D, all are currently upgraded to Block 52+.

Yes, and the existing old F-4E modernized at one time by Israel to version 2020 Terminator.

[Protos]

Quote: Sarkazm

Quote: kostas

The Turkish Air Force has no more than 208 combat aircraft. These are F4 fighter-bomber aircraft, about 40, the rest are F16.

IT terminator.

Of these, about 50 sides will be shot down.
The backbone of the pilots will be knocked out, the second wave will be gone ...

[Ngauro]

the Turks have a very large shortage of pilots, more than 300 sit on the bunk, after the last cleanings

[Sarcasm]

Quote: NGAURO

the Turks have a very large shortage of pilots, more than 300 sit on the bunk, after the last cleanings

"Air Force officers" and pilots in particular are not the same thing. Probably more than one pilot got on the bunk, but the situevina is not the same as you imagine. The fact is that the Turkish Air Force is part of the NATO forces, there is more than enough information about the state of affairs in the Air Force of the NATO country in open sources. In addition, it is the Air Force that provides not only support for the troops, but also the country's air defense, the Turks, before putting our S-400 on duty, in fact, do not have air defense systems capable of providing not only the country's air defense, but also the object, the American Nike Hercules have long been removed from service, so that there is a very frugal attitude towards the flight personnel.
The Turkish Air Force has combat experience, do not forget that there are constant hostilities with Kurdish armed formations. It is clear that neither ours, striking ground targets, nor the Turks are fighting an air enemy, but the Turkish pilots are constantly "in good shape", we are now testing almost the entire flight crew in Syria, and even before that they constantly participated in operations against Kurds.