Turkey reports of Atilgan PMADS air defense deployment to Idlib

Turkey reports of Atilgan PMADS air defense deployment to Idlib

As it became known, without waiting for the Patriot air defense system requested from the United States, the Turkish army began to transfer its own short-range air defense systems directly to Syria, in the Idlib region. Such a decision, most likely, testifies to Ankara’s intentions to go even further in the escalation of the conflict unfolding there, and an attempt to inflict real damage restraining her aggressive intentions of the Russian air forces.


In this case, we are talking about the arrival at the Idlib theater of operations of an unknown quantity of ATILGAN PMADS (Pedestal-Mounted Air Defense Missile System) SAMs on the M113a2 chassis. Use this weapon Turks may against Syrian aviation or try to get with his help the planes of our VKS. Such a decision seems rather strange and rather adventurous, rather than thought out and tactically justified.

The ATILGANs mentioned above, in fact, are the same Stinger MANPADS, only combined into a cartridge that holds four of these missiles, and placed on a wheeled platform.


In this regard, it will not be amiss to recall the recent use of the Stinger MANPADS on the Su-24M bomber. The attack was launched from the territory of the Turkish observation post in Kaminas. Shooting the heat traps and performing the anti-ballistic maneuver, our pilot managed to get away from the fired missiles.

Having requested Washington to cover for its southern border with Syria with two Patriot batteries, Ankara, in fact, signed its own desire to continue the offensive against the forces of Damascus in Idlib, while also striking Russian troops if necessary. In any other case, besides the fear of retaliatory actions by our air forces, which, by all rules, should follow similar manifestations of aggression, the American air defense systems would simply not be needed by the Turks. Naturally, it would be fundamentally wrong to count on the use of the Russian S-400 Triumph as protection against Russian aviation, which, by the way, have not been activated to date.

Nevertheless, Ankara continues to stubbornly build up its own group on Syrian territory. The nomenclature of equipment and weapons being transferred there suggests that the Turkish "strategists" cannot in any way abandon the idea of ​​a massive attack. There is evidence of the deployment by the Turkish armed forces on the border with Syria of the 302-mm T-300 multiple launch rocket systems. The declared range of this weapon is 120 km. It is intended to destroy "priority targets", such as command posts, radars and air defense systems of the enemy.

As you can see, the Turkish side is trying to "raise rates" in the confrontation, which is already threatening to go into full-scale hostilities, completely not thinking about the possible consequences.
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  1. svp67 24 February 2020 06: 25 New
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    Well, judging by the characteristics, this is an air defense system of military air defense, and even with small radius of action. Most likely, Turkey deployed a full-fledged motorized infantry brigade with reinforcements to that area. According to the idea, the videoconferencing has the means to counteract, or even destroy these complexes
    1. Grits 24 February 2020 06: 31 New
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      Quote: svp67
      According to the idea, the videoconferencing has the means to counteract, or even destroy these complexes

      Means that is. The question is - will they destroy it? Or wait until our plane is shot down, then already ...
      1. svp67 24 February 2020 06: 37 New
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        Quote: Gritsa
        The question is - will they destroy it? Or wait until our plane is shot down, then already ...

        Yes, this is still an open question. But all the equipment that the Turks pass on to the "barmels" is almost immediately subjected to VKS strikes. So, let's see ... It is possible that these air defense systems may also try to transmit
        1. aszzz888 24 February 2020 06: 45 New
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          svp67 (Sergey) Today, 06: 37 NEW
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          Quote: Gritsa
          The question is - will they destroy it? Or wait until our plane is shot down, then already ...

          Yes, this is still an open question. But all the equipment that the Turks pass on to the "barmels" is almost immediately subjected to VKS strikes. So let's see ... It is possible that these air defense systems may also try to transmit
          But this requires specialists. I don’t think that the Baramaleis will immediately change seats for these complexes. There will be Turks fighting them, and this means a multiple increase in the degree in this conflict between us and the Turks. After all, the VKS will have to destroy them together with the crews.
          1. svp67 24 February 2020 06: 50 New
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            Quote: aszzz888
            I don’t think that the Baramaleis will immediately change seats for these complexes. There will be Turks fighting them, and this means a multiple increase in the degree in this conflict between us and the Turks. After all, the VKS will have to destroy them together with the crews.

            PMC employee, this is not a soldier ... wink And the "wild goose" is illegal, for which they are paid good money
            1. aszzz888 24 February 2020 06: 52 New
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              svp67 (Sergey) Today, 06:50 a NEW .... PMC employee, this is not a military man ...
              Really, I don’t think that ATILGAN PMADS air defense crews will be PMCs. request
              1. svp67 24 February 2020 06: 55 New
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                Quote: aszzz888
                Really, I don’t think that ATILGAN PMADS air defense crews will be PMCs.

                I think that they will ... As long as Turkey acts "out of the blue" they have no other choice
                1. aszzz888 24 February 2020 07: 28 New
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                  svp67 (Sergey) Today, 06: 55
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                  Quote: aszzz888
                  Really, I don’t think that ATILGAN PMADS air defense crews will be PMCs.

                  I think that they will ... As long as Turkey acts "out of the blue" they have no other choice
                  So yes, do we have to break the copy because of them - who will be behind the ATILGAN PMADS air defense equipment. Radish horseradish is not sweeter.
                  1. Range 25 February 2020 11: 12 New
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                    In short, Perdogan survived completely out of his mind.
          2. Hermit21 24 February 2020 07: 46 New
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            Turks have already covered more than a dozen - greatly increased the degree of conflict?
      2. Mordvin 3 24 February 2020 06: 55 New
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        Quote: Gritsa
        u already then ...

        Again prohibit pamidors?
        1. Lopatov 24 February 2020 10: 45 New
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Again prohibit pamidors?

          Yeah. And we’ll start to strike at the cobblers — you forget about this fact of recent history very carefully
          1. Mordvin 3 24 February 2020 10: 46 New
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            Quote: Spade
            Yeah. And we’ll start to strike at the cobblers — you forget about this fact of recent history very carefully

            Yeah. I remember how Putin's cooks were gouging.
            1. Lopatov 24 February 2020 10: 50 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Yeah. I remember how Putin's cooks were gouging.

              Well, we got caught, and immediately began to carry nonsense.

              In general, this confidence often surprises me. That others do not remember anything. And you can write nonsense about recent history as much as you like
              1. Mordvin 3 24 February 2020 10: 58 New
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                Quote: Spade
                began to carry nonsense.

                Yeah, nonsense. The main thing is not Brad Pitt.
                Quote: Spade
                In general, this confidence often surprises me. That others do not remember anything.

                But I’m not complaining for a while. I do not seem to suffer from sclerosis. sad
                1. Lopatov 24 February 2020 11: 12 New
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                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  But I’m not complaining for a while. I do not seem to suffer from sclerosis.

                  That is, you admit to deliberate lies?
                  Let's analyze your "pamidors".

                  Pamidors account for 60% of Turkish food exports. If Russia blocked 60% of gas exports with sanctions, you would personally be hysterical about "everything was lost"

                  According to Turkish authorities, the losses from the "pamidors" ranged from 4.4 billion to 7.3 billion dollars. And independent experts for Voice of America claim 12 billion.
                  This is with defense spending of 19 billion per year .... "Pamidors are such pamidors ..."

                  And here is another thing that you persistently “forget” about ... But it’s not difficult for me, I’ll remind
                  1. protoss 24 February 2020 12: 12 New
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                    All Turkish export to the Russian Federation is about 4 billion tanks (clothes, shoes, furniture, household chemicals, auto parts, etc.), of which about 1 billion food, including 250-300 million tomatoes a year (before , now less).
                    total export of Turkey is 170 billion tanks.
                    for construction companies we are no longer very interesting - the Olympics, the championship and the Universiade are held, the WSD and Moscow-City are built. for the new mega-projects, there is already especially no money.
                    tourists yes, this is about 15-20% of all tourism, i.e. yards 4-5.
                    at the same time, our export to Turkey is 15-20 billion a year, with a complete madhouse and mutual sanctions, we will lose more. this is not counting the investments thrown into the wind into the stream and nuclear power plant.
                    1. Oquzyurd 24 February 2020 18: 37 New
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                      Turkey is also the only NATO country that has not supported the sanctions and does not participate in this against the Russian Federation, but, on the contrary, has expanded cooperation.
                  2. Mordvin 3 24 February 2020 12: 17 New
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                    Quote: Spade
                    You would personally be hysterical about "all is lost"

                    And I won’t think about it. My father, a tractor combine operator, has been driving bread since kindergarten, and I know his price firsthand.
                    Quote: Spade
                    According to Turkish authorities, the losses from the "pamidors" ranged from 4.4 billion to 7.3 billion dollars. And independent experts for Voice of America claim 12 billion.
                    This is with defense spending of 19 billion per year .... "Pamidors are such pamidors ..."

                    Spit. These tomatoes only play football, they are no longer suitable for anything.
                    Quote: Spade
                    But it’s not difficult for me, I’ll remind

                    Oh, Shovels! But the first Chechen because of the pipe began.
        2. bayard 25 February 2020 00: 46 New
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          Already banned, only pumps from this did not. They told the Turks that the quotas were over or something like that. And not only tomatoes - there they banned almost the whole spectrum of agricultural products ... they did not give quotas \ nullified.
      3. Mar.Tirah 24 February 2020 07: 42 New
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        Quote: Gritsa
        The question is - will they destroy it?

        You can rest assured. Any movement of Turkish equipment in the Idlib zone is controlled by means of objective control of the airborne forces, both from UAVs and military reconnaissance satellites. Putin said unambiguously yesterday that any threats to our military personnel will be eliminated. And it’s up to Caliber, KAB or FAB. from the degree of threats.
        1. Zaurbek 24 February 2020 09: 20 New
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          The main thing is to find, and then the same Su25 with ofab500
        2. dauria 24 February 2020 10: 35 New
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          Putin said unambiguously yesterday that any threats to our troops will be eliminated


          Actually, Putin will have to attack. Erdogan has a draw.
          His position is "Idlib is mine, I created an organized defense of motorized rifles with air defense, aviation and reserves. If you want, climb, we will see."
          This is not poker, bluffing will not work, all the cards are on the table. The question is who needs Idlib. Assad or Erdogan.

          Diplomats will not decide - the army will not decide either. There is nothing Assad and we decide there. Most likely they will leave it as it is.
          1. Mar.Tirah 24 February 2020 10: 42 New
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            Quote: dauria
            Actually, Putin will have to attack. Erdogan has a draw.
            His position is "Idlib is mine, I created an organized defense of motorized rifles with air defense, aviation and reserves. If you want, climb, we will see."

            Putin doesn’t attack. The Syrian army frees its territory. Idlib and the Idlib de-escalation zone are different things. Turks create posts and SAA bypasses and compresses them. So it will be this time. And the fact that the attack does not stop says strengthening positions. In connection with the aggravation of the situation in the area of ​​the settlement of Nairab, the Syrian troops sent reinforcements to the 25th Special Forces Division (SPN). Recall that in this direction, militants, with the support of the Turkish army, tried to break through the front and get to the M-5 highway and the city of Sarakib. The SAA command decided to strengthen in the previously controlled areas in the east and northeast of Idlib province to hold the front line . In the camp of the Syrian government army, it is noted that if you refuse to strengthen the rear, then you can lose those territories that were recaptured from militants in the past few weeks.
            The Syrian army deployed armored vehicles and multiple launch rocket systems, intending to use these weapons in case terrorists attempted to launch another offensive. In addition, the SAA infused artillery positions northwest of Aleppo. In particular, artillery installations were deployed to the Al-Rashidin area, which came under the control of Syrian government forces for the first time in several years.

            Against this background, the Syrian troops are conducting an operation, the purpose of which is to take complete control of the southern part of Idlib province - up to the settlements of Ahsim and Kansafra.
            1. dauria 24 February 2020 11: 54 New
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              Putin does not attack. The Syrian army frees its territory


              Ok, I see. Assad commands, and Putin works as his ambassador. Escaping, negotiating with the Turks, and so on, the little things. Tea coffee. It is strange that on behalf of Russia, not Syria.
      4. illi 24 February 2020 07: 47 New
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        Yes, all this will end badly for us. It is necessary to press air defense right away. Checked by the same Americans more than once.
        And here is how our VKS to work knowing that they are expected to sacrifice, no one wants to substitute.
      5. Aleks2048 24 February 2020 08: 20 New
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        The question is - will they destroy it?

        No problem. It is obvious that just because of boredom they will not destroy. Moreover, I think that even for a downed plane they will not be destroyed.
      6. Chingachguk 24 February 2020 09: 15 New
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        This is the moment I can’t accept. It turns out that the Turks are not afraid to bring down our planes, helicopters, they even want this, but the Turks and I are scampering like with “crystal eggs” and God forbid to break it.
    2. komandir8 26 February 2020 20: 44 New
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      The Turks introduced to Idlib, up to the motorized infantry battalion, and the Special Forces detachment, the main forces of the military group with headquarters in Hatay, while they are at their original positions in the Turkish-Syrian border.
  2. bessmertniy 24 February 2020 06: 33 New
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    Erdogan seems to be choosing to escalate the conflict. I think that for the downed "Syrian planes" the answer may be such that Turkey will have to completely get out of Syria. negative
    1. svp67 24 February 2020 06: 39 New
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      Quote: bessmertniy
      Erdogan seems to be choosing to escalate the conflict.

      He has said too much that just now to “back up”, he will immediately lose credibility.
      Quote: bessmertniy
      I think that for the downed "Syrian planes" the answer may be such that Turkey will have to completely get out of Syria.

      So far, what has not followed such a destroyed Syrian helicopters
      1. bessmertniy 24 February 2020 07: 27 New
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        That's Erdogan and impudent. I felt that in this he got away with, hopes that he will come down further. negative
        1. Vol4ara 24 February 2020 10: 31 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          That's Erdogan and impudent. I felt that in this he got away with, hopes that he will come down further. negative

          And so it goes down, for the Syrian planes he will not be anything.
          1. bessmertniy 24 February 2020 10: 40 New
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            But I want to believe that for everything he will get the first number.
            1. Vol4ara 24 February 2020 10: 42 New
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              Quote: bessmertniy
              But I want to believe that for everything he will get the first number.

              I would like to, but it doesn’t really change anything
    2. Grits 24 February 2020 11: 35 New
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      Quote: bessmertniy
      I think that for the downed "Syrian planes" the answer may be such that Turkey will have to completely get out of Syria.

      Syria simply does not have the strength and ability to give an "such" answer. Looking at their regular army units, we can conclude that they are not far from slippers. Now look at those columns of equipment that almost every day the Turks drive to Idlib. CAA can only envy so many weapons and equipment. And in repelling the advance of the Turks, they fully rely on our VKS
  3. Andrei Nikolaevich 24 February 2020 06: 34 New
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    Erdogan is similar to Lukashenko. Does one thing. Says, another. Thinks the third. We will see....
  4. aszzz888 24 February 2020 06: 40 New
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    it shows Ankara’s intentions to go even further in the escalation of the conflict unfolding there, and an attempt to inflict real damage restraining her aggressive intentions of the Russian Aerospace Forces.
    I think it will not come to this. For the undersultan understands that this will be an armed clash, if you want a war, between us and the Turks.
    1. gmb
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      Then he must close the Bosphorus.
      1. aszzz888 24 February 2020 07: 43 New
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        gmb (Michael) Today, 07:25
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        Then he must close the Bosphorus.
        A lot of things have to happen.
      2. Altai72 24 February 2020 13: 17 New
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        That's what it is. The Bosphorus will be closed.
    2. Charik 24 February 2020 09: 25 New
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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1a_1BHwywg&t=32s
  5. Jack O'Neill 24 February 2020 07: 15 New
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    Naturally, it would be fundamentally wrong to count on the use of the Russian S-400 Triumph as protection against Russian aviation, which, incidentally, has not been activated to date.

    Why so?

    In general, the Turks can pull up the mobile MIM-23 to cover their forces. And this is far from Stinger!
    1. Avior 24 February 2020 07: 41 New
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      Although the Turks have upgraded Hawks, the complex is still obsolete, and modern Hisars have not yet been included in the troops, so it’s unlikely that anything will fundamentally change
      1. Jack O'Neill 24 February 2020 09: 33 New
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        The Syrian Air Force does not need much, and there will be enough old versions of MIM-23 there. But we can get it.
        Moreover, they and the Air Force can use, the same F-16.
        1. city ​​69 25 February 2020 14: 25 New
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          If there is no air defense, then there will be enough MiGs, and if there is, then other means are needed - other ammunition. Accuracy is needed, which means reconnaissance, reconnaissance and reconnaissance, and then a high-precision point strike. One rocket (bomb) one unit of armored vehicles, artillery or fortified point.
    2. Grits 24 February 2020 11: 37 New
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      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      In general, the Turks can pull up the mobile MIM-23 to cover their forces. And this is far from Stinger!

      And why be smart? They can pull up a hundred of their F-16s. The result will be even more fun.
      1. Jack O'Neill 24 February 2020 18: 14 New
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        And why be smart? They can pull up a hundred of their F-16s. The result will be even more fun.

        Unlike an air defense system, the F-16 cannot stand on forever. But yes, it’s quite logical to raise planes during an operation so as not to get.
  6. Avior 24 February 2020 07: 47 New
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    Erdogan is a thoughtful guy. He wanted to sit on two chairs, sat between them, ended up without modern air defense (the s-400 still doesn’t work any further), and without modern aviation, it was in a difficult situation of a one-on-one war with Russia.
    I imagine, both in Washington and in Moscow, they are simultaneously amused by the immortal Gogol’s “well, son, have your Poles helped you?” smile
    1. protoss 24 February 2020 12: 16 New
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      Erdogan between two chairs put down his sofa
  7. Charik 24 February 2020 09: 21 New
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    so there are 8 missiles, they write here Su24M, in previous articles Su24
  8. Aleks2048 24 February 2020 09: 24 New
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    I read the article. I read the comments. Frankly speaking, the commentators gathered to fight Turkey in Syria amuse. If only one of these commentators would reflect on the question “why?”. Probably worth thinking about why we are in Syria, the answer to the fight against terrorism with little thought disappears. But the option to stop building pipelines in Syria for an alternative to the Suez Canal for cheap pumping hydrocarbons from the UAE of Qatar, etc. In principle, with this approach, the Turks generally do not bother us. And if so, then I think that the territory of Syria, at least part of it, may well become a bargaining chip. No one in the Kremlin, in their right mind, will fight today, albeit with a full blow, but a partner. Judging by the actions of Turkey in the Kremlin is considered precisely as a partner, not an enemy. So a bit more and VKS to curtail their activities in the north of Syria. It’s good time to curtail this charity, supposedly ridding the world of terrorists.
    1. Vol4ara 24 February 2020 10: 33 New
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      Quote: Alex2048
      I read the article. I read the comments. Frankly speaking, the commentators gathered to fight Turkey in Syria amuse. If only one of these commentators would reflect on the question “why?”. Probably worth thinking about why we are in Syria, the answer to the fight against terrorism with little thought disappears. But the option to stop building pipelines in Syria for an alternative to the Suez Canal for cheap pumping hydrocarbons from the UAE of Qatar, etc. In principle, with this approach, the Turks generally do not bother us. And if so, then I think that the territory of Syria, at least part of it, may well become a bargaining chip. No one in the Kremlin, in their right mind, will fight today, albeit with a full blow, but a partner. Judging by the actions of Turkey in the Kremlin is considered precisely as a partner, not an enemy. So a bit more and VKS to curtail their activities in the north of Syria. It’s good time to curtail this charity, supposedly ridding the world of terrorists.

      And what prevents the construction of a gas pipeline bypassing Syria?
      1. protoss 24 February 2020 12: 33 New
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        the same thing that prevents it from being built through Syria is the presence of a head and a calculator in the Qatari leadership.
        4 thousand km just to the borders of the EU it is already 120 bucks per thousand cubic meters only for transit, and even halfway the Qatari pipe goes through the sworn friends of the Saudis.
        1. Aleks2048 24 February 2020 19: 43 New
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          Qatar leadership has a head and calculator

          And this does not prevent Israel from building a pipeline along the Mediterranean Sea ... And this does not prevent it from sending hydrocarbons to tankers at the same distance and even a little more ... (probably only in Russia a pipeline is more profitable than a tanker ...? repeat )
          1. protoss 24 February 2020 19: 56 New
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            Well, tell me how many kilometers the Israeli-Greek pipe will go in transit, that is, for a fee and comparable with the mythical Qatar pipe.
    2. Winnie76 24 February 2020 13: 49 New
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      Quote: Alex2048
      Frankly speaking, the commentators gathered to fight Turkey in Syria amuse. "

      They comment on the warlike Turks, who are ready once again to shoot down our planes. Yeah, keep them seven. Nato's members, all as one, not just standing aside - will applaud the beating of Turkish citizens.
      Quote: Alex2048
      If only one of these commentators would reflect on the question “why?”. Probably worth thinking about why we are in Syria, the answer for combating terrorism with little thought disappears

      Just the presence and control of the Mediterranean. Protection of their interests, interesting contracts, development of mineral deposits, but you never know what. Well, the Middle East at gunpoint calibers.
      Quote: Alex2048
      And if so, then I think that the territory of Syria, at least part of it, may well become a bargaining chip.

      Can not. Real allies must not be scattered.
      Quote: Alex2048
      No one in the Kremlin, in their right mind, will fight today, albeit with a full blow, but a partner. Judging by the actions of Turkey in the Kremlin is considered precisely as a partner, not an enemy.

      Nobody will be. But if Erdogan, without coordination, embodies his stupid ideas - the state of Turkey may come to an end. The Russian Federation will annul the army, and the neighbors will tear it apart.
      1. Aleks2048 24 February 2020 19: 59 New
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        They comment on the warlike Turks, who are ready once again to shoot down our planes.

        So they don’t have to shoot down our planes ... We ourselves will stop flying there ...

        Just the presence and control of the Mediterranean. Protection of their interests, interesting contracts, development of mineral deposits, but you never know what.

        And what kind of control are we talking about? If periodically our patrols deploy and do not let the United States ... Israel at any time as soon as they wish inflicts missile and bomb strikes on the territory of Syria ... Control .... laughing laughing Yes, you are just on the run ...! Wait! laughing Our base is periodically attacked by drones, and we don’t even know who specifically controls them ....
        From this, one can agree with "... yes little ..." taken out of context and nothing more ...
        Real allies must not be scattered.

        And how can our real ally help us?
        But if Erdogan, without coordination, embodies his stupid ideas - the state of Turkey may come to an end. The Russian Federation will annul the army, and the neighbors will tear it apart.

        And what can the Russian Federation oppose the second largest fleet in NATO? Well, so that besides the Wishlist?
        1. Winnie76 24 February 2020 21: 11 New
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          Quote: Alex2048
          So they don’t have to shoot down our planes ... We ourselves will stop flying there ...

          Why did it happen?
          Quote: Alex2048
          And what kind of control are we talking about? If periodically our patrols deploy and do not let the United States ...

          It is about controlling the Mediterranean and the Middle East.
          Quote: Alex2048
          Control .... Yes, you are just on the run ...! Wait! Our base is periodically attacked by drones, and we don’t even know who specifically controls them ...

          Attack and what? Iran is also attacking American bases, but they are only wiping themselves. Does this mean that the Americans do not control anything? Palestinians are attacking Israel - does this mean that the Jews do not control anything?
          Quote: Alex2048
          And how can our real ally help us?

          And he is already helping. Provided two bases. Utilizes the Islamists.
          Quote: Alex2048
          And what can the Russian Federation oppose the second largest fleet in NATO? Well, so that besides the Wishlist?

          And now it’s completely funny. Today, Turkey is shot through the territory of Crimea along and across. Air defense is absent. Under normal conditions, the life of any Turkish base (Air Force, Navy) will be 2-3 hours. So the number of planes / ships does not play any role, they will stupidly have nowhere to land / refuel. And in the conditions of dominance in the air, ground forces will become whipping boys
          1. Aleks2048 26 February 2020 05: 44 New
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            Today, Turkey is shot through the territory of Crimea along and across.

            What cartoon shoot? And most importantly, in what quantity? And then we have everything unique ... laughing
            1. Winnie76 27 February 2020 00: 25 New
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              Quote: Alex2048
              What cartoon shoot? And most importantly, in what quantity? And then we have everything unique ...

              From the Caspian Sea in Syria they shot cartoons? And the Iskander is obviously plywood.
              1. Aleks2048 28 February 2020 22: 04 New
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                From the Caspian Sea in Syria they shot cartoons?

                And how many shot? laughing
                The Turks alone have more karabliks than we shot calibers and not the fact that we have a lot of them left. After all, everything is unique here ... The rest has not yet been confirmed by facts. So you have to go to war with a b / y.
                1. Winnie76 28 February 2020 23: 14 New
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                  The Turks alone have more karabliks than we shot calibers and not the fact that we have a lot of them.

                  Do they also have more naval bases than we have calibers? Have you heard anything about the Bastions and Balls?
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                  After all, everything is unique here ... The rest has not yet been confirmed by facts. So you have to go to war with a used one.

                  What is unique about you? You do not know, the rearmament from Point U to Iskander is almost complete. And about 10 MiG-31 with Daggers, too, did not hear anything? What do you want to confirm with facts?
                  1. Aleks2048 1 March 2020 07: 47 New
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                    Do they also have more naval bases than we have calibers?

                    Unfortunately, the rocket will not capture the base.
                    Have you heard anything about the Bastions and Balls?

                    Both ground-based anti-ship systems and their missiles are vulnerable to air defense of ships.
                    You do not know, the rearmament from Point U to Iskander is almost complete.

                    Maybe we'll take a look at when the transition began and analyze the modifications of the iskander?
                    Now you can talk about the unique ....
                    And about 10 MiG-31 with Daggers, too, did not hear anything?

                    From what number of available fleets is mig31? And most importantly, can we replenish their number? Compare quantitatively with Turkish aircraft?
                    What do you want to confirm with facts?

                    The war in Syria will not be an easy walk. And no matter how it became an analogue of the Russian-Japanese past century. And is Syria worth it?
                    1. Winnie76 1 March 2020 14: 54 New
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                      Quote: Alex2048
                      Unfortunately, the rocket will not capture the base.

                      Why capture the ruins?
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                      Both ground-based anti-ship systems and their missiles are vulnerable to air defense of ships.

                      The Bastion, as far as I know, is quite capable of ground targets. And intercepting it in the final phase at 3M is very problematic.
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                      Maybe we'll take a look at when the transition began and analyze the modifications of the iskander?

                      Iskander-M according to Wiki 132 pieces. Total 260 missiles. The number of Iskander-K is unknown.
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                      From what number of available fleets is mig31? And most importantly, can we replenish their number? Compare quantitatively with Turkish aircraft?

                      MiG-31 will not enter the battle with the F-16, and even more so in the air defense coverage area. The range of the dagger allows. What is the point of comparing the number of aircraft if all the aviation and other infrastructure will be shattered and cut in half.
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                      The war in Syria will not be an easy walk. And no matter how it became an analogue of the Russian-Japanese past century. And is Syria worth it?

                      During the Russo-Japanese there was no aviation, air defense, missile defense, or RO. Mobility was completely different. It is useless to compare.
                      1. Aleks2048 1 March 2020 16: 00 New
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                        It is useless to compare.

                        But I succeeded in Russian-Japanese and now Russia has a peninsula. smile More precisely, at the beginning of the war on the peninsula. lol
                        Well, in case of defeat, a reputational strike will be huge.
                        What is the point of comparing the number of aircraft if all the aviation and other infrastructure will be shattered and cut in half.

                        Apparently they will endure all this a little more
                        260 missiles.

                        10 Mig-31 with Daggers

                        Not even funny. request
                        About air defense, albeit layered, but based on ground-based systems, the methods and capabilities of its breakthrough are simply legends. Jews and Turks unfortunately have already proved its inferiority.
      2. Stils 24 February 2020 22: 22 New
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        Nobody will be. But if Erdogan, without coordination, embodies his stupid ideas - the state of Turkey may come to an end. The Russian Federation will annul the army, and the neighbors will tear it apart.

        Seriously? That straight end to the state of Turkey? In front of NATO? They will stand aside and watch as the Russian Federation destroys Turkey. Remember, dear, the Crimean War, when almost all European countries came out on the side of the OI and recall the result, it was a loss to RI. Nobody wants to strengthen Turkey now in the West, but to weaken the Russian Federation by not openly entering the war with the Russian Federation on the side of Turkey, but supporting it in every possible way, not allowing it to win, these will be all NATO countries. Such wars now, very extreme options for the development of events, and there will not even be any talk about the use of nuclear weapons. And for the Russian Federation it will be a very bad option.
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          Quote: Stils
          Seriously? That straight end to the state of Turkey? In front of NATO? They will stand aside and watch as the Russian Federation destroys Turkey.

          Exactly. And who do you think can fit in with the Sultan? Donnie?
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          Remember, dear, the Crimean War, when almost all European countries came out on the side of the OI and recall the result, it was a loss to RI.

          When was this? Since then, a lot of water has flowed. There was aviation, missile weapons. Atomic weapon. Great Britain deflated to a small island. Sardinian kingdom, Ottoman Empire missing. French warriors during the Second World War showed themselves in all its glory.
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          Nobody wants to strengthen Turkey now in the West, but to weaken the Russian Federation by not openly entering the war with the Russian Federation on the side of Turkey, but supporting it in every possible way, not allowing it to win, these will be all NATO countries.

          In the case of Turkish aggression, they simply wash their hands. How can they basically support her?
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          Such wars now, very extreme options for the development of events, and there will not even be any talk about the use of nuclear weapons. And for the Russian Federation it will be a very bad option.

          All significant Turkish bases are completely carried out by conventional weapons. Gauges, Iskander, Bastions, Daggers to choose from. After that, the VKS gains dominance in the air and cuts the ground forces.
    3. God save the king 24 February 2020 17: 26 New
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      . But the option to prevent the construction of pipelines in Syria is quite suitable
      Absolutely not an option, if you look at the map.
      As originally the story with the pipe from the Persian Gulf was fake.
  9. SanSanych Gusev 24 February 2020 09: 32 New
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    We look forward to March 5
  10. K-50 24 February 2020 09: 52 New
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    In this regard, it will not be amiss to recall the recent use of the Stinger MANPADS on the Su-24M bomber. The blow was delivered from the territory of the Turkish observation post in Kaminas.

    After that, the Turkish "observation point" should be destroyed, to dust, regardless of any cries of "no involvement" !!!
    So that at another time it was not a bad thing to shoot at Russian planes !!! am
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      In addition to this thought with 2,56. fellow
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzeyzkiWbY4
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    1. Alexandr Sharapov 24 February 2020 15: 52 New
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      They bombed and went forward, despite the air defense system: http://warsonline.info/ukraina/novosti/siriia/idlib230220-1.html
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        consequences of airstrike
        1. Oquzyurd 24 February 2020 18: 52 New
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          Turks have no abrams. Don't drive a fake.
    2. God save the king 24 February 2020 17: 19 New
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      The danger of Atilgan air defense systems for the Russian aerospace forces is not much greater than from the Islamists with the "stinger", the same missile, with all its attendant advantages and disadvantages.
      The presence of Hisar-A in the Turkish army is in question.
      So far, you can relatively calmly bomb fearing only the F-16.
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  14. Pacifist 25 February 2020 11: 41 New
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    Something the sultan came across with a skull ... I strongly doubt that he was not warned about the consequences of using our VKS with any consequences.
  15. city ​​69 25 February 2020 14: 20 New
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    I think ours should definitely look at Israel. Attack of ground targets without entering the air defense zone. Planning ammunition, long-range guided missiles over the horizon. It is expensive but effective. He discourages any desire to go on the offensive. Enough of the pilots shot in the air.
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      Iran did well to give an answer
      weave to the Americans.
      There, in general, Soviet missiles modernized like SCUD and the funnel remains such that you can hide the Fur.
      So not necessarily modern weapons and not necessarily Russia.
      There are Iran and Syria.
      And to provide weapons is not a problem.
      For provided by MANPADS Stinger Turks to terrorists and the use of SS24 answer will be.