Bulgarian police did not allow neo-nationalists to conduct a torchlight procession

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Bulgarian police did not allow neo-nationalists to conduct a torchlight procession

Bulgarian radical nationalists clashed with the police. This is reported by Bulgarian sources.

We are talking about clashes between radicals and law enforcement officers during an attempt to hold the so-called Lukov march. This event, which the Bulgarian ultranationalists tried to hold in honor of their idol, Hristo Lukov.



For reference: Hristo Lukov is a right-wing nationalist, in 1935-1938 - Minister of War of Bulgaria. He was one of the main figures of Bulgarian fascism, an active supporter of allied relations with Hitler. He advocated the introduction of anti-Semitic clauses into Bulgarian legislation. In 1943 he was killed by the Bulgarian Communists.

Since 2003, modern Bulgarian radicals have been conducting torchlight processions in Sofia, praising the policies of Hristo Lukov.

Neo-nationalists tried to hold the next procession, but the police prevented this event. The march was banned by the Sofia City Hall, whose decision was confirmed by the Supreme Administrative Court of Bulgaria.

In this case, as it turns out, the Bulgarian police did not interfere with the radicals in their desire to lay flowers on the plate of Hristo Lukov, which is installed on the wall of the house, where in 1943 the Bulgarian fascist was eliminated.
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    1. +26
      23 February 2020 19: 31
      police prevented this event

      They did it right. No to fascism.
      1. +30
        23 February 2020 19: 38
        If I hadn’t read that the Bulgarian authorities had banned me, I would not have known that they had been allowed for 17 years. smile
        But the Kiev right has already managed to accuse the Bulgarians of treason. You will laugh, but one of the slogans was "you are not our brothers now" laughing
        1. +13
          23 February 2020 19: 51
          Quote: Rich
          You will laugh, but one of the slogans was "you are not our brothers now"

          It is worth remembering one phrase: "He who betrayed once, will always betray!"
          1. +4
            23 February 2020 21: 41
            Quote: Tol100v
            "Once betrayed, he will always betray!"

            and if they betrayed four times? belay
            1. +3
              24 February 2020 03: 46
              No one loves traitors. When it comes to everyone, including the Bulgarian Maydanuty people, that they are used as a disposable rubber product. Maybe the lower hemispheres will be enough to think. As well as for the elite, it doesn’t come to the fact that cunning is not a sign of the mind, but a sign of a lack of conscience. And the funny thing is that they think that no one sees their cunning. About now, POPs (POP is the Traitor to the Customs of the Ancestors) will begin minding for telling the truth about them. There is nothing to say in response.
          2. 0
            24 February 2020 08: 34
            Bulgarians in all their glory: They crowed loudly - "they forbade the march in honor of the Nazi!", Like brother, blah blah blah. And further in the text - in honor of the Nazi, it turns out, the memorial plaque is screwed on.
        2. +1
          23 February 2020 20: 08
          Quote: Rich
          If I hadn’t read that the Bulgarian authorities had banned me, I would not have known that they had been allowed for 17 years.

          There opa, a lot of newcomers.
          1. +4
            23 February 2020 22: 27
            Quote: marshes
            Quote: Rich
            If I hadn’t read that the Bulgarian authorities had banned me, I would not have known that they had been allowed for 17 years.

            There opa, a lot of newcomers.

            What does the newcomers have to do with it? What do they have to do with Bulgarian fascism and the ban on the torchlight procession?
        3. +1
          23 February 2020 22: 58
          one of the slogans was "you are not our brothers now"

          Their brother is now a jackal overseas.
      2. +4
        23 February 2020 19: 48
        Moreover, as it turns out, the Bulgarian police did not interfere with the radicals in their desire to lay flowers on the tablet of Hristo Lukov,

        Who is who?..
        1. -1
          23 February 2020 21: 16
          Quote: Mouse
          Who is who?

          Noobody Samuan. wink
          Vasya hi
          1. +4
            23 February 2020 21: 53
            Pasha! hi I’m not pretending to translate correctly, but it’s kind of like ... nobody, nobody else? hi
            Who is besides us?
            1. -1
              23 February 2020 21: 56
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Noobody Samuan

              Someone is nobody. wink
      3. +6
        23 February 2020 20: 13
        There are no communists and no one to figure it out.
        1. +7
          23 February 2020 20: 23
          Quote: knn54
          There are no communists and no one to figure it out.

          Because the communists themselves "figured it out and scattered"
          1. +4
            23 February 2020 20: 36
            Seryoga, hello and Happy Holiday! soldier drinks
            Quote: svp67
            the communists "figured it out and fled" themselves

            And very quickly and clearly found a new feeding trough ... wink
            1. +4
              24 February 2020 04: 19
              hello Pasha soldier drinks fellow
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              And very quickly and clearly found a new feeding trough ...

              It depends who ... Although it would be interesting to count how many millionaires and "world eaters" had a "rich communist past" in the past. Here is the fact that many Komsomol workers, at the regional-regional level, went into the banking sector, I know for sure
          2. +5
            24 February 2020 09: 00
            Quote: svp67
            Because the communists themselves "figured it out and scattered"

            those are already gone, but those farther ... wink
      4. +3
        23 February 2020 20: 17
        Progress is one ban in 17 years! Next year they will allow again, and even apologize for the ban!
        1. +2
          23 February 2020 20: 56
          No need to prohibit. You just need to conduct all this procession to a standstill and there to eliminate all this scum. am
      5. +17
        23 February 2020 21: 59
        They did it right. No to fascism.

        The organizer of the procession is the Bulgarian National Union (BNS), an extreme informal organization from Sofia, created in 2001 by Boyana Rasate.
        BNS is a nationalist organization opposing:
        1. homosexuals,
        2. migrants,
        3. globalization,
        4. turks, gypsies,
        5. Communists.
        6. Hebrews.
        7. oligarchs
        8. American lifestyle.

        BNS is partnering with many foreign organizations of the extreme right wing, including with such from Russia. It should be noted that Bulgarian extreme nationalists are not Russophobes! Members of the organization regularly participate in the protection of Zaltostanov's "Night Wolves" motorcycle tripswhen they pass through the territory of Bulgaria.
        Onionists periodically hold anti-Turkish actions in front of the Turkish Embassy in Sofia. for instance they lit the turkish flag, during a protest rally held together with the pro-Russian Ataka party, when the Turks shot down the Russian Su-24 in Syria.

        The Bulgarian authorities have repeatedly banned the Onion March processions, mainly due to protests from European human rights organizations. 2018 The World Jewish Congress presents the Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov with 175 signatures from all over the world insisting on a complete and iconic ban on processions.
        Approximately approx. 200-300 people, including foreigners.

        Interesting fact: At the same time along other streets of Sofia, opponents of the "onions" - leftists and LGBT organizations, are conducting the AntiLukov march..

        Whether fascist or not BNS is a moot point. There is no doubt that its ideology is an element of xenophobia, but the influence of this organization in Bulgaria is negligible.
        1. +6
          23 February 2020 22: 49
          Quote: pytar
          Whether fascist or not BNS is a moot point. There is no doubt that its ideology is an element of xenophobia, but the influence of this organization in Bulgaria is negligible.

          Thank you Boyan for unbiased information, if only so. That there is opposition to this "Onion grief" in Bulgaria. But your Prime Minister Borisov, in my opinion, is not much different from the supporters of the "Onion March" and by his actions in 15-20 years you can get "Borisov March?", Because he also blows more towards Russophobes sacrificing Bulgarian interests in relations with Russia ...
          1. +6
            23 February 2020 23: 07
            That there is opposition to this "Onion grief" in Bulgaria.

            How to say ... here the situation is specific! The most ardent opponents of the onions are the globalists and the LGBT society! At some level, onions even look more adequate than their opponents ... Once again, the Bulgarian extreme nationalists in their majority are not Russophobes. By this significant point, they differ from nationalists to some other countries. Among the Bulgarian there are also pan-Slavic organizations.
            But your Prime Minister Borisov, in my opinion, is not much different from the supporters of the "Onion March" and by his actions in 15-20 years you can get "Borisov March?", Because he also blows more towards Russophobes sacrificing Bulgarian interests in relations with Russia ...

            I am not a supporter of Borisov. But I do not intend to criticize too much. It's easy for us to judge, not being in his place! His situation is complicated, because Bulgaria is at the crossroads of interests! Borisov has a very narrow corridor for maneuvering! We must give him his due, he manages to lead Bulgaria for the third mandate, without a series of shocks! No one before him, could not! Here is your outstanding Bulgarian specialist, Gen. Leonid Reshetnikov / former director. RISI / does not consider Borisova Russophobe! And the country is developing not so badly, over the past 10-15 years!
            1. +3
              23 February 2020 23: 22
              Quote: pytar
              I am not a supporter of Borisov. But I do not intend to criticize him too much.
              For his deeds and porridge, but he cooks past the Bulgarian treasury, but in the interests of those who are far from Bulgaria.
              Quote: pytar
              It's easy for us to judge, not being in his place!
              May be. It is clear that absolutely any politician in Bulgaria today is under the vigilant eye of the State Department and Brussels, and therefore has to maneuver between the interests of the "patron" and "national interests", which do not always coincide, but a moderate pause allows staying afloat in relations with the West, and in relations with Russia. I agree, it's not easy. But nevertheless, it was under Borisov that all economically profitable projects (even for Bulgaria itself) come to a standstill.
              Quote: pytar
              And the country is developing, not so badly, over the past 10-15 years!
              I can’t judge, since this topic is closer to you, but with mutually beneficial cooperation with Russia, the growth of the Bulgarian economy would be much higher. The paradox is that for this growth, Bulgaria does not require any serious financial investments. hi
              1. 0
                24 February 2020 00: 26
                But nevertheless, it was under Borisov that all economically profitable projects (even for Bulgaria itself) came to a standstill ... but with mutually beneficial cooperation with Russia, the growth of the Bulgarian economy would be much higher.

                Dmitry, the situation is not so simple. The main economic and political partner of Bulgaria is the EU. The Bulgarian economy has been successfully restructured, and the legislation has been synchronized with the European one. We cannot violate the European directives that we signed up to! For political reasons, cooperation with the Russian Federation cannot be beneficial for Bulgaria if it goes into confrontation with the EU. No growth in the economy will work, we will not be able to develop successfully "lying" on only transits!
                The paradox is that for this growth, Bulgaria does not require any serious financial investments.

                The paradox of the essence is that projects that are carried out with Russian investments (gas, oil sector) usually lead to a monopoly position. A monopoly means high prices, a grouping and a slowdown in the economy. I know what sounds unusual, but we already have examples.
        2. +2
          23 February 2020 23: 19
          But the attack became pro-Russian ... In any case, the BNS is not a Russophobic organization, it is more anti-Turkic. But the movement itself (there are many parties and groups in it) for Hristo Lukov opposes EU policy, for a change in the entire European world order. Yes, it is marginal and small, then why is so much attention paid by the Western and Russian media to this phenomenon?
          1. -1
            24 February 2020 07: 11
            Quote: rruvim
            Yes, it is marginal and small, then why is so much attention paid by the Western and Russian media to this phenomenon?

            scary ruling, suddenly many will think in this way!? and the privileges with honestly stolen can be lost ... scary ...
        3. 0
          24 February 2020 07: 25
          Remove item 4 and 6 from the list and it will be quite a decent organization. Nevertheless, dividing people by ethnic and racial grounds is anochronism.
          1. 0
            24 February 2020 10: 16
            Remove item 4 and 6 from the list and it will be quite a decent organization. Nevertheless, dividing people by ethnic and racial grounds is anochronism.

            It is interesting that Lukov himself was not seen in anti-Semitic statements. Although his organization used such rhetoric. Since Lukov looked extreme in looks against the background of other right-wingers, Tsar Boris pensioned him and sent him to the dead ahead of time before the start of WWII.
        4. -1
          24 February 2020 10: 27
          Boyan, explain a number of points.
          Members of the organization regularly participate in the protection of Zaltostanov's "Night Wolves"

          Well, first of all, this "Herurg", who was notoriously promoted in 2014 in Sevastopol under the patriot of Russia and then tried to squeeze the territory there (Gasfort) for personal business, is only a patriot of his own pocket. It is unclear why it should be protected in Bulgaria - is there really strong Russophobic sentiments there?
          And secondly, it is interesting to know how popular the ideas of BNS are among the population of Bulgaria, especially 4, 5, 6 points. Did the Bulgarians live so vilely under Zhivkov (point 5) that even an organization arose that declared a non-return to these times?
          1. +1
            24 February 2020 13: 39
            I respect people who want to know another point of view! Respect! hi
            Well, first of all, this "Herurg", which was notoriously promoted in 2014 in Sevastopol under the patriot of Russia ...

            I have a negative attitude towards the "surgeon". But he has followers in Bulgaria. There is such a paramilitary organization, the Military Union "Vasil Levski" is called.

            Leftist nationalists, former military. They voluntarily deal with the protection of migrants at the Turkish border. Helping border guards. They have hostile relations with the BNS, but there are members of the BNS who individually participate in the activities of the "Vasil Levski" Military Union. The difference between these organizations is ideological:
            Bns anti-communist, anti-Semitic, deviation towards prabolgar roots.
            VS "VL" leftist, pro-Russian, pan-Slavist deviation.
            It is unclear why it should be protected in Bulgaria - are Russophobic sentiments really strong there?

            Not only are they guarded, the VL aircraft are involved in organizing the race. True, there were also excesses. In 2016, a group of Ukrainians living in Bulgaria resisted a protest picket against the "night wolves" along the highway at the end of Burgas. Then the VL aircraft attacked the Ukrainians and dispersed them. The police intervened and stopped the beatings. There were detainees.

            There are no Russophobian sentiments in Bulgaria. There are separate paid chants. The country is included in the first 4 of the most Russophile countries in the world. According to a recent study by the American agency Pew ### Bulgaria turned out to be the most Russophile country in the world.
            And secondly, it is interesting to know how popular the ideas of BNS are among the population of Bulgaria, especially 4, 5, 6 points.

            4- there are anti-Turkish and anti-Gypsy sentiments and they are very strong.
            5- anti-communism - by gender.
            6 - there is absolutely no anti-Semitism in Bulgaria. We and the Jews are very good. few.
            Did the Bulgarians live so vilely under Zhivkov (point 5) that even an organization arose that declared a non-return to these times?

            For some, this time was good, for others it was bad. Along with the good / social gains, a quiet life /, there was a lot of bad things - gulag lagers, repression, persecution of dissidents, violent collectivization, a ban on private initiative, restrictions on travel abroad, a chronic shortage of goods, annoying elementary propaganda and much ... Zhivkov ruled for so long that everyone was tired of it. To the nausea ... He ruled alone for 35 years! Finally, the egos overthrew their own ... The people were sincerely happy! The totalitarian dictatorship that continued for 45 years is over. The photo (Sophia, 89) shows the poster "45 years, that's enough!"

            In 2000, the Bulgarian Parliament passed a law declaring the communist regime the ruling country from 1945 to 1989 criminal.
            1. +1
              24 February 2020 14: 24
              Thank you for the information. Presumably, after 2000 the Bulgarian Parliament ensured the development and prosperity of its country, which from 1945 to 1989 was ruled by a "bloody communist regime". How similar it is to today's Russia, in which the highest leaders claim that for 70 years of Soviet power in the country, except for galoshes, they learned nothing to do. Migrants will get anyone, I agree. By the way, were they in the "bloody NRB"?
              1. 0
                24 February 2020 15: 59
                Presumably, after 2000 the Bulgarian Parliament ensured the development and prosperity of its country, which from 1945 to 1989 was ruled by a "bloody communist regime".

                On the question of how much it was possible, opinions differ. Society is divided in its assessments. As an example: several diagrams from the results of a public opinion poll conducted in 2017:
                To the question: "In your opinion, did the communist regime commit crimes or not?"

                52% -YES (committed), 17% -NO (not committed).
                To the question: "If you had a choice, in which period would you like to live?"

                Opinions were divided by gender - 41% under socialism, 41% under democracy.

                Moreover, there is a clear differentiation in terms of increase and level of education. Socialism liked people with low social status and education, as well as those who are now in old age. People like higher education, middle and young grow like democracy, i.e. those who are now leading an active lifestyle.

                Migrants will get anyone, I agree. By the way, were they in the "bloody NRB"

                Migrants sensibly bypass Bulgaria. In their memos it is written that the country is the most hostile in the EU to migrants of Mogamedan origin.

                There were no migrants in the NRB. From the word at all. Borders were closed. Neither someone could enter, nor we wailed. Oddly enough, it is now easier for us to visit Russia than the USSR then.
                1. -1
                  24 February 2020 17: 08
                  Thank. Well, in the days of UXO, there were no migrants at all. There were Turks migrant workers in Germany, so to speak, Limit, if you use the Soviet term. As far as I remember, the Turkish-Bulgarian issue has always been quite acute, and in the 80s, ethnic Turks were supposedly even written down as Bulgarians, later Zhivkov was blamed.
                  1. +1
                    24 February 2020 18: 06
                    Well, in the days of UXO, there were no migrants at all. There were Turks migrant workers in Germany

                    From the socialist countries was not, after all, the exit to the cap was not allowed. countries. But from Yugoslavia, almost 2 million tasterbeiters worked mainly in Germany.
                    As far as I remember, the Turkish-Bulgarian issue has always been quite acute, and in the 80s, ethnic Turks were supposedly even written down as Bulgarians, later Zhivkov was blamed.

                    Relations with Turkey have always been difficult. There are many ethnic groups in Bulgaria. Turks. After the collectivization of the 50s. the Bulgarian ethnos sharply declined. To encourage fertility, the government began to issue benefits. But gypsies and Turks took advantage of them. Large family! In a Bulgarian family, more than 2 children have become a rarity. For 30 years, the ethnic picture has changed dramatically. The overall growth was "provided" by the Gypsies and the Turks. Many now say - here Bulgaria under socialism has become 6 million from 9 million! But if we look at the statistics on ethnic groups, the hair will be corrected! When the authorities finally realized the fallacy of their demographic policy, it was too late ... And then T. Zhivkov conceived this madness with changing the names of the Mohamedans! The idea caused a sharp aggravation in the internal and external environment. Terrorist attacks, arrests, etc. There were bad times. Half a million Turks emigrated to Turkey. After the 90s, half of them came back, but the sediment remained. Todor Zhivkov fell from power, and the names of the Turks were restored. Zhivkov was tried for this too.
                    1. -1
                      24 February 2020 21: 23
                      Thanks for the info. I doubt that in Bulgaria demographic problems arose due to collectivization. He began to write a detailed commentary, which included Yugoslavs, but his admins banned him. Local freedom of speech. I was still at work in Soviet times, an Armenian from Nagorno-Karabakh, he was also indignant at the creeping Islamization of Karabakh - Azerbaijanis always had more children in their families than Armenians. By the way, is your text a Google translation from Bulgarian?
                      1. 0
                        24 February 2020 23: 51
                        I doubt that in Bulgaria demographic problems arose due to collectivization.

                        This is evidenced by statistics, and with a simple eye you can see. In principle, wherever urbanization takes place, the rural population is decreasing due to the urban population. There is always more natural growth in villages than in cities. Such processes occur in many countries. You can try to compensate for the imbalance with differentiated incentives, housing, etc. In Bulgaria, they did everything wrong for the sake of ideology.
                        He began to write a detailed commentary, which included Yugoslavs, but his admins banned him. Local freedom of speech.

                        Clear.
                        By the way, is your text a Google translation from Bulgarian?

                        No. I am writing direct in Russian, a lot of mistakes.
                        1. -1
                          25 February 2020 08: 32
                          Thank you, There are no particular mistakes, only the approval of cases suffers, but everything is clear.
                        2. +1
                          25 February 2020 09: 35
                          only matching cases suffers

                          These cases have tormented me since high school! sad Bulgarian (and the ego-Macedonian dialect), hopeless (analytical), for the difference from all other Slavic languages.
                        3. -1
                          25 February 2020 19: 04
                          Thanks for the info. I myself can somehow read the Bulgarian text, I solved the Bulgarian crosswords, but I don’t perceive the Bulgarian language by ear - different stresses, pronunciation, etc. And did you find the Zhivkov era yourself?
                        4. +1
                          25 February 2020 21: 50
                          Bulgarian crosswords solved

                          It's not easy! I myself sometimes find it difficult! good
                          Have you caught the Zhivkov era?

                          In full. Moreover, he ran to him to carry sour milk / yogurt /. laughing In real life, he was a very simple and earthly man. Deprived of that megalomania. Compared to other communist leaders, Zhivkov looked quite adequate.
                        5. 0
                          25 February 2020 22: 30
                          Clear. And I found Khrushchev’s time as a child, I lived in a military town, Khrushch was extremely unpopular with us after a stupid reduction in the army and aviation, it came to the point that the famous Orenburg flight school made 2 graduations in the Civil Air Fleet, and not in the Air Force - this was before the withdrawal Khrushchev. All of Brezhnev’s time I found completely, I can say that until about 1976 Brezhnev was one person, quite worthy, and then he began to get sick and gradually turned into a ruin, but for some reason it suited everyone at the top. And later, with the advent of Gorbi it became even worse than with Khrushchev. Now we have what we have.
            2. 0
              24 February 2020 16: 29
              The Bulgarian Parliament passed a law declaring the communist regime the ruling country from 1945 to 1989 criminal.

              Russia, too, would not hurt to blame the Communist Party.
      6. +4
        23 February 2020 22: 43
        Quote: Arlen
        They did it right. No to fascism.

        What is right? The procession was banned, but please lay flowers. Two-faced TV ... ur ... In short, not brothers. Both yours and ours. Really, they think that no one sees and knows nothing.
      7. -1
        23 February 2020 23: 48
        Only for me this news causes deja vu ??? Preparing a new "Reich" for the campaign ???
      8. 0
        24 February 2020 04: 36
        I agree with you! In our VO, however, it does sometimes slip through!
    2. +6
      23 February 2020 19: 31
      everywhere the heads are raised.
      We must somehow deal with this, until a new war in Europe happened. Dramatically decide.
      1. +3
        23 February 2020 19: 51
        Quote: horus88
        Dramatically decide.

        Burn out method!
      2. +2
        23 February 2020 20: 16
        Quote: horus88
        everywhere the heads are raised.

        All this European trash, the United States prepares and throws against Russia.
        1. +2
          23 February 2020 20: 22
          this is so, and after that we will burn them out, as the person suggested above. Historically, this is usually the case.
          However, our government could also learn history, so as not to make the same mistakes.
          Why do we have to lose Russian people every time, protecting our homeland from attack?
          Why do they not act in advance? After all, a lot of things can be done until the disease is started.

          It is a pity that we will not see adequate answers to these not difficult questions.
          1. +2
            23 February 2020 20: 48
            Quote: horus88
            and after that we will burn them out, as the man suggested above.

            It’s not necessary to burn out these shortcomings, but decision centers, otherwise it will continue.
    3. +10
      23 February 2020 19: 31
      Hristo Lukov is a right-wing nationalist, in 1935-1938 - Minister of War of Bulgaria. He was one of the main figures of Bulgarian fascism, an active supporter of allied relations with Hitler. He advocated the introduction of anti-Semitic clauses into Bulgarian legislation. In 1943 he was killed by the Bulgarian Communists.

      There he is dear, and his followers. Inhumans. Fascists. They didn’t finish at 45, they crawl out now.
      1. +1
        23 February 2020 23: 02
        As "Luna" sang:
        The collapse of the "Great Dream" was the beginning of fascism.
    4. +6
      23 February 2020 19: 32
      Bulgarian fascist was eliminated.
      death to the fascists!
      1. +2
        23 February 2020 19: 53
        Quote: Falx
        death to the fascists!

        And to the liberals!
        1. +1
          23 February 2020 23: 03
          Liberasty-local accomplices of foreign fascists.
    5. +4
      23 February 2020 19: 38
      Neo-nationalists tried to hold the next procession, but the police prevented this event.

      Wow!
      In this case, as it turns out, the Bulgarian police did not interfere with the radicals in their desire to lay flowers on the plate of Hristo Lukov, which is installed on the wall of the house, where in 1943 the Bulgarian fascist was eliminated.

      Ah, well, everything is fine. (Of course not)
    6. +3
      23 February 2020 19: 45
      In Bulgaria, they began to understand that Trump will come to the parade on May 9 in Moscow, so they are rebuilding the policy towards neo-Nazis.
    7. +3
      23 February 2020 19: 55
      "Brave Bulgarian Warriors" is a myth. As a powder only ... now they will be the victors of Hitler. (sarcasm)
      1. Cat
        +2
        23 February 2020 20: 55
        Brave Bulgarian warriors

        Do not tell ... In September 1944, Bulgaria formally was at war simultaneously with the USSR, USA, England and Germany. These are the brave laughing
        1. +1
          24 February 2020 06: 45
          Don’t tell ... In September 1944, Bulgaria formally .... but what did Bulgaria do in 1941, 1942,1943, the year ??????? that is, it bent as always, but this is actually and formally. On 1944, the USSR bent over ALL without exception, and this is not the merit of the Bulgarians
          1. +4
            24 February 2020 09: 39
            Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
            Do not tell ... In September 1944, Bulgaria formally .... but what did Bulgaria do in 1941, 1942,1943? 944th USSR bent over ALL polls, and this is not the merit of the Bulgarians

            I can take the word "partisan" from your nickname and say - so 41,42,43, Bulgaria was partisan against the Nazis. The partisan movement numbered - combat detachments together with yataks / accomplices / approx. 200 thousand. And since 44 she fought very successfully against the Wehrmacht.
            The USSR was bending all, that's right. Bulgarians do not claim merit, even if we look at how many Bulgarians. soldiers and officers received Soviet military distinctions / 120 thousand. /, It is clear that Stalin highly appreciated their bringing!
            1. +1
              24 February 2020 10: 25
              Evidently Stalin praised their bringing! ...... Sidor Kovpak waxes. moreover, he appreciated the high role of the Magyars and Czechs in the partisan movement ... and after the 44th, when the Kovpak detachments ironed the Carpathians along and across, do not forget this ... or maybe I printed this news for you ???
              1. +1
                24 February 2020 11: 22
                Or maybe I printed the news for you ???

                I’m very surprised if you print me the news ... laughing Who estimated what and how, who brought what, the question is debatable. And here's the news for you:
                Anti-fascist struggle in Bulgaria - 12 operational partisan zones! 18 300 partisans, 12 300 members of battle groups and up to 200 thousand jataks / assistants /. In the summer of 1944, the NOPA included 9 brigades, 35 battalions and detachments, 2 couples and several battle groups. As of the beginning of September 1944, the NOPA included 1 partisan division, 9 brigades, and 37 detachments and battle groups. Partisan units attacked the units of the Wehrmacht in Bulgaria, destroyed railways and other military communications, fought with the Bulgarian police and gendarmerie, engaged in sabotage activities. The battle groups of the BKP killed the Nazis and their Bulgarian accomplices, organized sabotage and acts of sabotage at military factories and other strategic facilities.
                Between the beginning of June and the end of November 1941, 69 operations were carried out by partisans and underground activists; from the beginning of December 1941 to the end of December 1942 - 452 operations; during 1943 - 1606 operations, from the beginning of April to the end of August 1944 - another 1909 operations.
                1. 0
                  24 February 2020 15: 29
                  up to 200 thousand jataks / assistants /. ..... as I understand it, some yataks are just the local population .... that is, these same yataks fed and worked for Hitler during the day. and at night in nodules they gave food to the partisans themselves !!!!! this is of course commendable .... if not for one but .. the number of operations performed is not an indicator .... the indicator looks like this ..
                  the partisans of Kovpak and Fedorov overwhelmed up to 5000 enemy units during their combat activities. destroyed more than 100 aggressors, damaged more than 000 strategically important bridges ... well, you can continue for a long time, and these are only two Soviet detachments, the rest are no worse than those given, so what can a Bulgarian cover in the WWII ???
                  and now, with regards to the Crimean partisans themselves, .... during their activities, up to 34 people of the aggressor forces and the Sondergroups of the "blue SS division" (Tatars) were destroyed, up to 000 enemy echelons were derailed, with the total number of Crimean partisans detachments did not exceed 100 people, in total 1000 people participated in the Crimean partisan detachments from 1941 to 1944, losses amounted to 12 people ...
                  somehow like this. but sho and sho there was in Bulgaria ??? hanging leaflet operations? .. give results
                  1. 0
                    24 February 2020 17: 40
                    About the Resistance Movement in Bulgaria, you can search and read it yourself. There is enough information on the Internet. Armed attacks, full-scale battles, sabotage and acts of sabotage. You can find out more in the Wiki from the links. Compare with Kovpak, Fedorov, incorrectly. The scale of the countries, population and socio-political situation are different.
                    1. 0
                      24 February 2020 17: 48
                      The scales of countries, the population size and the socio-political situation are different .......... Boyan, let's talk about the specifics, I'm personally not going to cling to "fleas and lice" from any wikipedia, personally I brought what I know about the Crimean partisans, and you. Boyan, send me imbued with the wiki, well, if you really know about your compatriots who really fought about the Axis countries, then what are you referring to labinternet resources, I personally don't need it. I know about the Crimean partisans not by hearsay or from wiki. I also advise you to KNOW, and not to buy a fork to remove noodles from your ears. let's be more specific, but there are enough Aquarius. exactly like the "poison of the Crimean officer"
                      1. +1
                        24 February 2020 18: 33
                        Boyan, let's talk about specifics, I personally am not going to cling to "fleas and lice" from any wikipedia ...

                        Vladimir, the topic is so vast that you need to write a whole article! There is no need for this, ALREADY written enough. Just type in Yandex - Movement Resistance (Bulgaria). If you want to know more specifically, there are links on the wiki. This is easier. And if you do not like to search and read, then this is your problem. I personally knew many partisans - anti-fascists. There were such among my relatives. Grandfather repaired the guerrillas' weapons in his workshop. Even made home-made. One of them still sits like an exhibit. After the victory fell in disgrace, due to the rejection of the violent methods of the Stalinists. He loved Russia, but was disappointed in the Communists. Here is such a personal case. hi
                        1. 0
                          24 February 2020 18: 45
                          He loved Russia, but was disappointed in the Communists. ... Bayan, the communist is not a party card. Communist is a vocation. First of all, it is internationalism. and no one loves communists like humpbacks and other things like him, even among those who are far from communist ideas, so it’s not a name but a vocation, there are many examples
                        2. 0
                          24 February 2020 19: 33
                          He loved Russia, but was disappointed in the Communists. ... Bayan, the communist is not a party card. Communist is a vocation.

                          I expressed myself inaccurately, therefore you did not understand me. He became disillusioned with those who called themselves "communists", but in fact, having come to power, turned out to be no better than the previous ones. I will quote: "And what have we done? Have we kicked out some chorbadzhii / subtisniks / so that others would come to their place? These are not communists, these only call themselves that!"
      2. 0
        24 February 2020 00: 20
        Quote: kafa
        "Brave Bulgarian Warriors" is a myth. As a powder only ... now they will be the victors of Hitler. (sarcasm)

        Well, when you give such comments at least a little with the story you need to be familiar hi
        1. 0
          24 February 2020 00: 50
          you need to be familiar with the story

          "Little"for some is "too much"! laughing
    8. +4
      23 February 2020 19: 57
      Well, at least something good from the policy of the Bulgarian authorities. I’m only afraid that this is for the sake of momentary profit.
      1. +3
        23 February 2020 20: 51
        Quote: Aviator_
        this is for the sake of momentary gain.

        17 years did not interfere with the same ....
        1. +2
          23 February 2020 20: 57
          So they are plotting something. There’s a man from Bulgaria here at VO, he writes in Russian sometimes with errors - probably a purebred Bulgarian, so he would have to find out why this sudden change in policy happened.
          1. +2
            24 February 2020 00: 20
            His, this man, comments on the article, see above ... hi
    9. +5
      23 February 2020 19: 57
      . The march was banned by the Sofia City Hall
      well, it's good that they did not "step on a rake" following the example of Svidomo. Next, you need to clean up the Nazi nedobitki, otherwise they will clean up you.
    10. +3
      23 February 2020 20: 04
      Neo-nationalists, this is something new, I have never heard this term before. And the Bulgarians themselves call them that? Wonderful things with the little brothers.
    11. +3
      23 February 2020 20: 07
      I can’t understand what the Bulgarian fascism is.
      fascism is the construction of an empire. Not really the Bulgarians were going to build an empire?
      national socialism, it’s understandable, a lot of newcomers.
      Then it’s easier to say.
      1. +2
        24 February 2020 00: 22
        Quote: marshes
        I can’t understand what the Bulgarian fascism is.
        fascism is the construction of an empire. Not really the Bulgarians were going to build an empire?
        national socialism, it’s understandable, a lot of newcomers.
        Then it’s easier to say.

        Well then, read what the empire essentially means, and when one monarchy begins to be called an empire and when it is simply a kingdom (kingdom) And fascism in general, as an ideology, has nothing to do with the empire.
    12. +5
      23 February 2020 20: 09
      The Nazis raise their heads. History is cyclical. To strangle, in the bud ...
    13. 0
      23 February 2020 20: 09
      Sho take! Where is the freedom of self-expression, where is the tolerance for a different opinion? A riot on a ship? All to the Rhea! Tomorrow the most "democratic" embassy will be shocked!
      1. +2
        23 February 2020 23: 39
        Will not be. As a commentator from Bulgaria rightly notes, the Lukovans on many issues support Russia's position.
        1. +1
          24 February 2020 00: 40
          As a commentator from Bulgaria rightly notes, the Lukovans on many issues support Russia's position.

          For Bulgarian nationalism, two fundamental features are characteristic:
          1. A pronounced anti-Turkish orientation.
          2.Anticommunism.

          In Bulgarian (patriotic <=======> nationalist) space, attitude towards Russia varies from pro-Russian to neutral.
          Russophobian no, with the exception of individual "intellectuals" sitting on a salary from the same funds ...
          Here I’ll clarify again - anti-communism and Russophobia are not identical with us! It is quite possible that you will meet Russophiles, who, at the same time, do not accept communist ideology and can relate to it, extremely negatively.
          With this, some "fighters of the information front" are speculating on ru-forums and rus-media, putting an equal sign and glue the stamp "russophobe" on everyone who has a negative attitude towards communism and socialism.
    14. +2
      23 February 2020 20: 22
      "Neo-Nazism is marching across the planet"? What, the whole world lay under it and waits for the "savior from the East" to come?
    15. 0
      23 February 2020 20: 55
      I’ll say it again ... On whose side did Bulgaria fight in the Second World War? Just answer me whose.
      1. +4
        23 February 2020 21: 16
        If specifically in the Second World War - then in ours, against Germany, from 1944, until that moment, it maintained diplomatic relations with the USSR.
        If as a whole in WWII, then until 1944 it was on the side of Germany, since 1944 it was on the side of the Allies.
        Did you want to find out?
        hi
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          24 February 2020 04: 28
          You are wrong, Bulgaria was in alliance with Germany and the participation of its troops in the war in Greece and Yugoslavia liberated several Wehrmacht divisions that were sent to the eastern front. Of course, from the 44th on the side of the Allies, there is still a little bit and Hitler’s neck was turned.
          1. +2
            24 February 2020 06: 09
            After all, you asked, on whose side exactly in the Second World War?
            So it was in the Second World War until 44 did not participate. Her war with neighbors does not apply to the Second World War, as you understand, they had their own showdowns, they fought with them not for the Germans, but, so to speak, for themselves.
            But in a broad sense, in World War II, until 1944, on the side of Germany.
            hi
          2. 0
            24 February 2020 09: 55
            You are wrong, Bulgaria was in alliance with Germany and the participation of its troops in the war in Greece and Yugoslavia liberated several Wehrmacht divisions that were sent to the eastern front.

            Controversial hardening! During the entire war, Germany was forced to keep several divisions on the territory of Bulgaria itself. How much "liberated" and whether the German forces were pulled back from the VF. In addition, the Bulgarian partisans inflicted significant damage on the Nazis.
            1. 0
              26 February 2020 10: 21
              I believe that not all Bulgarians are Russian enemies, I think even the majority. But state policy and relations between nations are two different things. Who were you there? Boris?
              1. 0
                26 February 2020 12: 46
                I believe that not all Bulgarians are Russian enemies, I think even the majority.

                Dear Sergey! hi You think correctly, I will say more - according to opinion polls western Agencies, Bulgarians lead in sympathy for Russia.
                https://politexpert.net/184542-v-bolgarii-obyasnili-samyi-vysokii-v-mire-uroven-lyubvi-k-rossii-i-putinu?utm_source=politobzor.net

                According to another study among Eastern European countries, Bulgaria is clearly becoming the leader!

                Bearing in mind that 18-22% of the population of the Turks (they understand the Russians are not good) and Gypsies, it turns out that among the Bulgarians the adherents of Russia are an absolute majority.
                But state policy and relations between nations are two different things.

                Unfortunately, this is the case, including in Russia.
                Who were you there? Boris?

                I do not understand ... Specify a question, please?
                1. 0
                  26 February 2020 13: 44
                  Yes, I know this, and I know why Germany did not send Bulgarian troops to the eastern front ... Unfortunately, this was not the case in Russia when we were ill-disposed towards Bulgaria, Ukraine, or else? Never ... Come on, I'm sorry, I will gladly shake your hand. Then who were you on the throne? It doesn’t matter, I already looked ... You need to know your story. winked
                  1. 0
                    26 February 2020 15: 30
                    Unfortunately, this was not the case in Russia when we treated Bulgaria badly ...

                    Unfortunately, this is not the case. In recent years, "Russian" propaganda has been persistently trying to instill in Russians the image of Bulgarians as "enemies and traitors." Materials containing gross falsifications and outright fakes abound. The effect is determined, an example of one poll, on the program "The Right to Vote", which I personally watched.

                    92% of Russians surveyed, according to the TVC, during the program “The right to vote” - “Bulgaria: between the West and Russia”, recorded the Bulgarians as traitors. And only 8% of Russians who took part in this survey consider the Bulgarians to be brothers.
                    Why is there such a flurry of dirt against Bulgaria against Russia, and whether they are Russians, is a topic for another discussion. If you do not believe me, browse through the VO forums where the topic is about Bulgaria ... read the posts ...
                    As one of the visitors to the Russian exhibition in Sofia stated, on the occasion of the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Europe from the Nazis: "The Bulgarians have been trying to turn us against the Russians for a long time. But despite all their efforts, they fail! And then they decided to turn the Russians against us!"
                    I’ll add on my own: succeeded! To whom it is in the interests, ask yourself a question! hi
                    1. 0
                      26 February 2020 18: 05
                      Well, maybe I missed something and didn’t see it, but personally I myself ... here personally ... I, a graduate of the USSR ... never, never. Another thing is that I look sensibly at history and that is, that is. Can you prove to me that Boris (your king, by the way) was not on the side of Hitler? This is a simple question - was it or wasn’t? Do not tell me that the right to vote, that Kisilev and Soloviev, is by no means the opinion of Russia. Even the very Putin (with very great popular support) is not the opinion of Russia. See how this Putin is hated here. And yet, it’s been possible to separate everything from Ukraine lately (but God bless them, they are ethnic traitors, it always has been), here you are. And who benefits from this? Pindra Osam. That's all.
                      1. 0
                        26 February 2020 19: 07
                        Can you prove to me that Boris (your king, by the way) was not on the side of Hitler? This is a simple question - was it or wasn’t?

                        So as not to accuse me of addiction, I decided to answer your question with quotes from Tsar Boris himself / my translation /:

                        My ministers are Anglophiles, generals of Germanophiles, my people are Russophile, only I remained a Bulgarianophile. (Interview with Time magazine January 20, 1941)

                        My people fight only in the Balkans, where our ethnic lands are located, they will not fight on other fronts or in Africa. If we send our army to the Volga, it will go over to the Russian side under the march of a field orchestra (Foreign Ministry Reich von Ribbentrop's answer to his question in the summer of 1942 in Berlin to send Bulgarian troops to the Eastern Front or to help Romel in Africa).

                        Always with Germany, but never against Russia! (Answering a question from the Foreign Ministry of the Reich von Ribbentrop in Berlin in the summer of 1942, what is the motto of his foreign policy).

                        When you see that rainfall is coming to you, make a vada so that you don’t flood the whole cornfield! (about the World War and Hitler's push for joining the Axis)

                        This is the blackest day in my life. God be my witness, struggled to avoid the inevitable. Being faced with force majeure, I took this decision and bear full responsibility for it. May God save Bulgaria. (signing of the pact on joining the Axis 01.03.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX)

                        Until I am a tsar, a Bulgarian mother will not tie a black scarf for the sake of a son or supra who died in the war "- Solonik front, WW1.


                        Better black bread than black shawls. (at a meeting with the Selyaks in Sofia 1942)

                        Draw your own conclusions. hi
                        1. 0
                          26 February 2020 19: 26
                          A simple question - was it or wasn’t, do not torment me with all sorts of branches - leave it for politicians. It's just like a hundred rubles. Was he with Hitler or wasn’t he?
                        2. 0
                          26 February 2020 19: 33
                          Here are your 100 rubles: I was neither with Hitler, nor with Stalin. I was from Bulgaria.
                        3. 0
                          26 February 2020 19: 38
                          You're lying. He was with Hitler, and there was nothing to be done. Although you can not answer anything to me, and he will remain with Bulgaria. It is just a try.
                        4. -1
                          26 February 2020 19: 55
                          He was with Hitler, and there was nothing to be done.

                          Depends. Ono and Stalin until June 22nd 44 was with Hitler. The truth is nothing to be done. request
                          Although you can not answer anything to me, and he will remain with Bulgaria. It is just a try.

                          I will answer or not, Tsar Boris will still remain with Bulgaria. In our history, he will be remembered as the ruler who managed to transfer the country with the least losses, through the most terrible cataclysm. hi
                        5. 0
                          26 February 2020 20: 01
                          Was he with Hitler or wasn’t he? This is a simple question.
                        6. 0
                          26 February 2020 21: 29
                          I gave a simple answer! Was not!
                          And I will ask a simple question - was Stalin with Hitler?
                        7. 0
                          27 February 2020 03: 22
                          Well, this is complete stupidity - no, of course, Stalin was not. How can this be if the Red Army ended the war with a red banner on the Reichstag? Although ... maybe the rewriting of the story went so far that you ended the war with the red banner on the Reichstag? Has your Tsar Boris raised this banner? You just don’t understand what the Great Patriotic War means for Russians, it touched, to one degree or another, every family ... every ...
                        8. 0
                          27 February 2020 09: 32
                          No, of course, Stalin was not. How can this be if the Red Army ended the war with a red banner on the Reichstag?

                          Dear Sergey, the Red Army accomplished the Great Feat! Without any doubts! And Stalin is the leader of the state! And as such, based on the interests of the USSR, he took different decisions, agreed with Hitler. Do not reproach! Politics is a special topic! Everything is known in comparison, by the way, the idea for a static prompted me!
                          Although ... maybe the rewriting of the story came to the point that you ended the war with the red banner on the Reichstag? Has your Tsar Boris raised this banner?

                          History has always been rewritten. Each for themselves. Winners don't judge! But there are undeniable facts! Red banner on the Reichstag for example! It’s also a fact that the Bulgarian army reached Klagenfurt with Red! And fought another 3 months after June 9, 45 from the remnants of the Nazis in Croatia. Commander-in-Chief of 1BGA Gen. Stoychev participated in the Victory Parade in Moscow! Tsar Boris died in 43, so that by then he was gone.
                          You just don’t understand what the Great Patriotic War means to Russians, it touched, to one degree or another, every family ... every ...

                          I understand perfectly well that half of my family is Russian. hi
                        9. 0
                          27 February 2020 11: 03
                          Let's end our conversation on this. I'm glad that half of your family is Russian, very happy, but I'm tired of a long argument. This can go on forever. But there is an indestructible fact - for some time Bulgaria was on the side of the fascists. Well, there's nothing to be done, this is a historical fact.
                        10. +1
                          27 February 2020 11: 51
                          Let's end our conversation on this.

                          Yes, it's time to end this argument. It is meaningless. Everyone will remain with his own opinion. hi
                          But there is an indestructible fact - for some time Bulgaria was on the side of the fascists. Well, there's nothing to be done, this is a historical fact.

                          As much as the USSR from 23.08.1939/22.06.1941/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX The truth can not be helped, the historical fact is indestructible.
      2. +5
        24 February 2020 06: 16
        I’ll say it again ... On whose side did Bulgaria fight in the Second World War? Just answer me whose.
        Unlike Romanians, Hungarians and other Italians, there were no Bulgarian troops on the territory of the USSR.
        1. +1
          24 February 2020 07: 03
          Unlike Romanians, Hungarians and other Italians, there were no Bulgarian troops on the territory of the USSR ........ but it's not good to lie, explain tode, with what fright not far from my dacha a Bulgarian burial appeared, dating from just 1942-43 year ???? it is called "Bulgarian" ...
          PS .. for the cemetery you can be calm. no one will have the head and shoulders to destroy him, nevertheless no one cares for him, for good reason
          1. +1
            24 February 2020 07: 28
            Not in the region of Feodosia you have a summer residence?
            From ancient times until 1944 there was a rather large Bulgarian community.
            In principle, as throughout the northern Black Sea coast, the Bulgarians lived.

            https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Болгары_в_Крыму

            We were in the Crimea, and not only in the region of Theodosia Uyezd and Old Crimea, but also in other places, and even now there are a couple of thousand Bulgarians in Crimea. So in the Bulgarian cemetery in Crimea there is nothing surprising.
            1. +1
              24 February 2020 07: 40
              Not in the region of Feodosia you have a summer residence .... no, north. Paul Jongkong (Dzhankoy. Local name) .. Communities were and are Bulgarian. but here are the cemeteries with burials 42-43 ..... by the way, the Bulgarian communities somehow don’t try to get rid of them (put things in order), everyone respects everything in the general cemetery, but they don’t,
              1. 0
                24 February 2020 08: 02
                I suspect that modern Crimean Bulgarians do not really feel the connection with the pre-war, unlike the Tatars.
                But there were definitely no official Bulgarian troops in the USSR, and even in the amount at which there was a separate cemetery, maybe some volunteers, but I never even heard of such a thing, the first Bulgarian part of the Germans appeared already in 1944, after Bulgaria declared war on Germany, from among the Bulgarians - collaborators.
                The only exception is the Bulgarian Red Cross medical train, as far as I remember, but I don’t know if he was in the Crimea and how it happened that there are so many victims on the medical train. Yes, and for a long time, I doubt very much that this is connected.
                The burial sites connected with the Germans and their allies were liquidated in the USSR, at best they were torn out and taken to one place and collectively buried in pits, I saw such cemeteries-sites.
                hi
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                  24 February 2020 08: 28
                  modern Crimean Bulgarians do not really feel the connection with the pre-war, unlike the Tatars ..... they have deviated a little from the topic, but ... Tatar-Khozar burials are always with the Orthodox-Soviet nearby, so the Tatars have nothing more to take care of. and at the expense of the Bulgarians ...... well, they don’t care and that’s all ..... maybe whenever, in any case, there are scanty number of vandals in the Crimea for many reasons, because the Crimea since antiquity hasn’t missed another bloody war
                  1. 0
                    24 February 2020 10: 00
                    In general, before the revolution, there were usually religious concessions, Orthodox separately, Muslims separately, and so on.
                    And under the Union, certain parts of cemeteries were
                    1. 0
                      24 February 2020 10: 29
                      Actually, before the revolution, usually according to religious concessions, maybe, but this never applied to Crimea. little land. so everything is nearby, well, the maximum is fenced off with a fence
          2. 0
            24 February 2020 10: 04
            Explain tode, with what fright not far from my dacha appeared a Bulgarian burial dating from just 1942-43 ???? it is called "Bulgarian" ...

            The question was for dear Sergei, but let me tell you ... There really were no Bulgarian troops in the East. front. This does not mean that there were no ethnic Bulgarians. The fact is that large Bulgarian national minorities live / still / in several other states. Most of them are in Romania. There are 2 large Bulgarian diasporas - the so-called. "Banat" Bulgarians in Transylvania, they are Catholics by the way. Refugees in what was then Austria-Hungary after extinguishing the Chiprovsky revolt to the Turks in the 18th century. There are also "Bessarabian" Bulgarians living in the territory of Moldova. Also refugees from the 18th century. Since 1918, Banat and Bessarabian Bulgarians citizens of Romania. Several thousand were mobilized in the Romanian army, which fought in the East. front. hi
    16. Cat
      +1
      23 February 2020 21: 02
      In 1943 he was killed by the Bulgarian Communists.
      Since 2003, modern Bulgarian radicals have been conducting torchlight processions in Sofia, praising the policies of Hristo Lukov.

      He is not a relative of Bandera?
    17. +1
      23 February 2020 21: 06
      Hristo Lukov is a strange figure. In part, he was associated with the white emigration. His passion for National Socialism at that time was not marginal, this "suffered" all of Europe. But he definitely opposed the sending of the Bulgarian "volunteers", and even more cadre units to the eastern front. Therefore, he even had a conflict with Boris III. As an anti-communist he naturally became a Pan-Germanist, precisely as болгарский national socialist. He was an anti-Turk. Sentenced to death by the communist internacinal. Hristo Lukov never was not Russophobe!
      1. +2
        23 February 2020 21: 19
        Still. Hristo Nikolov Lukov was on the list of officers who passed in the III Bulgarian Kingdom as Russophiles.
    18. +4
      23 February 2020 21: 14
      Dam, Gen. Hristo Lukov, a contradictory figure in Bulgarian history and his sympathy for Nazism, are obvious, but at that time there were no open Nazi parties in the country, as well as parties in general - political parties were banned from 1934 to 1944, the Constitution was suspended, the People’s Assembly was dissolved and the Tsar ruled the country. What influenced well - the corruption of politicians has subsided significantly. I would now, if only I could have dispersed the political trash ... But this is a remark.

      Otherwise, 100-200-300 geeks gather on the Luke march and that's it. Marginals will always be there - nothing can be done, it is important that their number does not increase. This can only be fought through education and nothing else. It is necessary to increase the money for education at times, and then Nazism is impossible. But the government (and not only ours) does not need educated people. Educated people do not watch zombies and do not vote for morons and thieves.

      PS Congratulations to all of you on a holiday! Be alive, healthy and love the Fatherland!
      1. +3
        23 February 2020 21: 31
        These so-called marginals want something. If they now remember Hristo Lukov, they are clearly not rejoicing in the modern tolerant life in Europe. And obviously, they are not pan-Germanists, as was the time of Lukov, for Germany is not here now. Would Lukov be a pan-Germanist at the turn of the 30s if there were no communist USSR? Hardly! Yes! In World War I, he fought (like his king) for the Central countries, but not against Russia, his regiment fought against Serbia, specifically at the front, where the Serbs did not take their territory. The current fans of Hristo Lukov are much closer now, in our historical time, to us than to pan-European liberals. Bulgarian nationalism is healthier than Okrainsky. For the supporters of Hristo Lukov want to break out of the current Geyevropa, and the supporters of Bandera and Shukhevych want to copulate with her.
      2. +4
        23 February 2020 23: 06
        Congratulations to all of you on a holiday! Be alive, healthy and love the Fatherland!

        Thanks, Eugene drinks
    19. +4
      23 February 2020 21: 46
      Neo-nationalists tried to hold the next procession, but the police prevented this event. The march was banned by the Sofia City Hall, whose decision was confirmed by the Supreme Administrative Court of Bulgaria.
      Well done, although they can’t be called friends, they are glad that somewhere else there are adequate, in relation to nationalism, leaders of the state!
      1. -2
        23 February 2020 21: 57
        That is, you are an opponent of Russian nationalism. If Sobyanin prohibits the "Russian March" under the St. George ribbons - is that normal?
        1. +2
          23 February 2020 22: 03
          Quote: rruvim
          That is, you are an opponent of Russian nationalism.
          I am an opponent of any nationalism, colleague! This is where the wars begin! Do not confuse patriotism with nationalism, because you understand that these are different things! And here
          If Sobyanin prohibits the "Russian March" under the St. George ribbons
          , then this is nonsense, which does not need to be dragged to nationalism and generally somewhere because the ban on stocks must somehow be justified, I would like to hear this Sobyanin rationale for a start, and then draw conclusions. In addition to your statement, I do not know anything about this action!hi
          1. -1
            23 February 2020 22: 39
            2019 year.
            Moscow City Hall did not agree on the “Russian March” in Lublino and proposed to refuse to hold the event. This was told to RBC in the organizing committee of the action.

            Read more at RBC:
            https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5db1e9299a79476194d4e218?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews
            1. +3
              23 February 2020 23: 36
              Quote: rruvim
              Moscow City Hall did not agree on the “Russian March” in Lublino and proposed to refuse to hold the event.
              Well, colleague, this is an isolated case of refusal! "The consideration is scheduled for October 28 in the Presnensky District Court. It is noted that this is the first case in 11 years of refusal in the" Russian March ". Read more on RBK:
              https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5db1e9299a79476194d4e218", поэтому об этом и говорить несерьёзно! В предыдущем посте я исчерпывающе ответил на Ваш вопрос о национализме. Я уважаю любые национальности априори, для меня неважна национальность, важна суть человека. Прочитав Ваш пост я понимаю, что Вы несколько размываете понятия национализма, как явления. Национализм в своей основе исключает из сектора лояльности другие нации, это его суть, коллега! Поэтому когда Вы говорите, что не противник любого национализма, будьте готовы к тому, что шотландец-националист в магазине откажется Вас обслужить потому, что Вы к нему обратились не на его наречии! И ему будет на Вас и Ваше возмущение плевать потому, что Вы не шотландец, а значит, недочеловек. Надеюсь, я внятно объяснил свою позицию, да простят меня шотландцы! Я родился и вырос в Алма-Ате, где меня окружали друзья казахи и немцы, татары и западные украинцы, уйгуры и дунгане, поэтому моё отношение к национализму сформировалось давно и устойчиво. smile
              1. -1
                23 February 2020 23: 50
                Therefore, when you say that you are not an opponent of any nationalism, be prepared for the fact that the Scottish nationalist in the store will refuse to serve you because you did not contact him in his dialect!

                I understand that you gave a primitive and narrow-minded example. I imagine a German officer in the trenches and dugouts of the surrounding Stalingrad, an NSDAP member comes into the dugout of the Romanian officer Frontul Renașterii Naționale (FRN) and asks for boiling water, but he does not give him, because Fritz does not speak Romanian. After some time, the Romanian goes to the Italian trenches, where the PNF-ts (Partito Nazionale Fascista) settled in and they also do not give him boiling water, because Romanian does not speak Italian, etc. Absurd!!! It is narrow-minded to understand nationalism, especially National Socialism within the framework of everyday perceptions.
                1. 0
                  23 February 2020 23: 56
                  Quote: rruvim
                  I imagine a German officer in the trenches and dugouts of the surrounding Stalingrad, an NSDAP member, entering the dugout by the Romanian officer Frontul Renașterii Naționale

                  There is no need to engage in profanity and strain your imagination, just remember the number of Nazi camps and how many people were destroyed in them. As for narrow-mindedness - what a question, such an example! And by the way, how did the Nazi-Germans treat their allies and what sectors of the front they were placed on? Check out the archives, you will not write about "I went for tea"!hi
                  1. -1
                    24 February 2020 00: 14
                    A simple question is a simple answer. It was the German units that closed the gap after the coup in Italy on July 26 - 8, 1943, crossing the Alps, replacing Mussolini's fascist divisions with themselves, and taking on the main blow of the allies, freeing Rome from the rebels. By the way, they saved the Duce itself.
          2. -1
            23 February 2020 22: 56
            I wrote that you are "an opponent of Russian nationalism" not to reproach you. Just stated a fact. I'm not an opponent of any nationalism: neither Abkhazian, nor Georgian, not Austrian and Scottish, and not Russian with German to boot, etc. etc. Moreover, I even respect Zulu nationalism. I don't understand Zionism a bit, although it is also some form of nationalism. What I don't understand is transculturalism and the shrew of liberalism that emerges from it. I will not argue about patriotism, because it is not clear, it is understood in different ways, at different times and in different places. If I say in my native village that I am a patriot of Vasilyevka, the neighbors will hardly understand me. The supporters of Hristo Lukov are most likely not patriots of Bulgaria, they are supporters of a different reorganization of the whole of Europe, on different conditions and other values, where the voice of Bulgaria among many should sound on equal terms. On an equal footing with Austria and France, but not on an equal footing with Croatia and Estonia.
            1. +1
              23 February 2020 23: 44
              In Croatia, the people live only slightly less than Bulgaria.
              1. 0
                23 February 2020 23: 52
                But in the EU receive more subsidies.
    20. 0
      23 February 2020 22: 22
      ... several hundred people went to the Lukovsky march in Sofia. The action was condemned in official statements by the diplomatic agencies of the United States and the Russian Federation. “The principles of freedom of speech should not be used to spread intolerance, xenophobia or anti-Semitism,” the US Embassy in Bulgaria said in a statement. In a commentary by the Russian Foreign Ministry, posted a few days before the event, Lukmarsh was called "a dangerous challenge to the civilized foundations of the modern world order"
      Here is a typical liberal reaction in 2019 to the Lukov march, where the opinions of the diplomats of the Russian Federation and the United States were combined.
      They were mainly interested in "intolerance, xenophobia and anti-Semitism." Our department did not say anything about Russophobia, although, after the "Right Sector" marches, it only talks about this. For, there is no Russophobia at the Lukovsky marches and demonstrations! In this connection, the Western media accused the leader of the systemic nationalist party Attack Volen Siderov of supporting Vladimir Putin's policies. I say it again: the supporters of Hristo Lukov now in Bulgaria are supporters of the conservative Christian (in this case, Orthodox) ideology. By no means are they Russophobes, on the contrary. The fact that they do not like the communists, especially the Bulgarian [, so here Zhirinovsky does not like the Russian communists. The question is that Lukov's supporters in the Western and Russian media are: "xenophobes and anti-Semites" - and this is almost a death sentence in modern GayRop. And here we are on the site, without understanding, we begin to stigmatize: fascists, remnants, Nazis ...
    21. -2
      23 February 2020 22: 38
      Well, at least the police are adequate there.
    22. +1
      23 February 2020 23: 56
      Corruption is a web, one has to spin, those in power. But the current fascism will bloom, guys - and you don’t think that we are wasting time, REMEMBER.
      1. +1
        24 February 2020 00: 36
        Do you at least decide on the concept of "fascism"?
        1. 0
          24 February 2020 01: 04
          I do not want to discuss, you asked a question, not one such question will not pose.
          1. +2
            24 February 2020 01: 31
            You just don't have to squander the terms. There are pogonyalovo "tattered fascists", but there are concepts ...
            When people operate with "concepts", they are not far from the herd, for grass is food. What kind of grass rye or clover herd does not care. So the idea of ​​"fascism" for 75 years has been turned upside down and back, and even those who turned it upside down have long been in the grave, and the successors continue. And to say that the Russian people practically all died, I defend the Motherland from invaders, even if they are German-fascist, but first of all invaders, for the sake of liberating Europe from the fascist plague is not correct in terms of concepts. Europe was not liberated, but "forced into peace". And for a long time. Almost to the Gorbachev surrender. And there was nothing wrong with this, for Europe attacked us. This is an axiom !!! But now the situation is different, and Russia is already different, and geopolitics is different. And in general, everything is different ...
            1. -1
              24 February 2020 07: 32
              for Europe has attacked us. This is an axiom !!! .... Mlyn, do not be ridiculous, we were attacked by Geyropa. The State Department with a mustache with an inadequate Kiev club in February 2014. and what ??? fought back and that's it. at what in the Crimea, in contrast to Bulgaria, 2 million population. and you are 6 milion in blueberry. ... so no need to fill in about patriotism. backbends you are all in blocary. that's why you bloat. everything is like the U-territory "passed" everything that was acquired, and you should be offended that the people of some piece of land were able to fight back and there are no vfa, you caved in as always, pitiful root eaters
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    23. +2
      24 February 2020 01: 12
      Question-and in Berlin there is a memorial plaque to Karl Dönitz, Minister of Defense of the 3 Reich? And flowers are laid to her in memory of his death? And why was he buried without military honors, and his former colleagues were allowed to attend without a military uniform?
      So which country is now more fascist? At least based on these criteria?
      1. 0
        24 February 2020 01: 37
        Which minister of defense? Reich President and Supreme Commander. For the old Nazis, Dönitz is a traitor! 20 days at the head of the Reich is of course a short time. But it was he who formed the new government and signed the surrender.
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      3. +1
        24 February 2020 10: 37
        Quote: Victor March 47
        Question-and in Berlin there is a memorial plaque to Karl Dönitz, Minister of Defense of the 3 Reich? And flowers are laid to her in memory of his death? And why was he buried without military honors, and his former colleagues were allowed to attend without a military uniform?
        So which country is now more fascist? At least based on these criteria?

        There is a memorial plate of Doenitz, to the place where it is buried.

        Doenitz was convicted, lay in prison. Released on October 1, 1956, the German government approves him an admiral's pension. Until his death in 1980, remains one of the most popular politicians in Germany. By the way, Canaris also put a memorial plate.

        General Lukov, relieved of his post before the start of WW2. He does not take part in it. By the way, his organization cooperates with the White Guard organizations in Bulgaria. He is a vehement anti-communist, but not Russophobe. His commemorative lament was placed on the house where he lived and where the communists killed him. small in size, it is difficult to notice.
    24. 0
      24 February 2020 12: 11
      Quote: pytar
      Quote: Victor March 47
      Question-and in Berlin there is a memorial plaque to Karl Dönitz, Minister of Defense of the 3 Reich? And flowers are laid to her in memory of his death? And why was he buried without military honors, and his former colleagues were allowed to attend without a military uniform?
      So which country is now more fascist? At least based on these criteria?

      There is a memorial plate of Doenitz, to the place where it is buried.

      Doenitz was convicted, lay in prison. Released on October 1, 1956, the German government approves him an admiral's pension. Until his death in 1980, remains one of the most popular politicians in Germany. By the way, Canaris also put a memorial plate.

      General Lukov, relieved of his post before the start of WW2. He does not take part in it. By the way, his organization cooperates with the White Guard organizations in Bulgaria. He is a vehement anti-communist, but not Russophobe. His commemorative lament was placed on the house where he lived and where the communists killed him. small in size, it is difficult to notice.

      The squareness of the head does not allow us to distinguish between the gravestone, which is almost sacred among any people., And a commemorative plaque placed in honor. From this one step to the monuments in the central squares.
      I do not care who your idol was anti-communist or Russophobe. Since he still collaborated with the Nazis.
      But here the general of the Russian army Anton Ivanovich Denikin was an anti-communist, but a patriot of his homeland. And he refused to head the Russian Liberation Army, at the suggestion of the Nazis. He replied that if he received an army, he would destroy the fascists first, and then he would take on the Bolsheviks. I risked my life with such a failure. And that is why he was reburied in his homeland. Your bastards commemorate the fascist plaque and crap on the Alyosha Monument.
      1. 0
        24 February 2020 14: 14
        The squareness of the head does not allow us to distinguish between the gravestone, which is almost sacred among any people., And a commemorative plaque placed in honor. From this one step to the monuments in the central squares.

        Regarding square heads ... they do not distinguish between a memorial plaque placed on a public property and on a private house. I don’t know if the Doenitz’s house is still standing and whether there is a sign on it. But if you read the text on Lukov’s boards, it is very clearly written who put this board - (non-governmental organization) BNS. This is a private event at a private house. According to the laws of Bulgaria, in a private property you can even put a monument. The use of Nazi symbols is not permitted.
        I do not care who your idol was anti-communist or Russophobe. Since he still collaborated with the Nazis.

        You obviously don’t read the comments ... Gen. Lukov is an idol for a small semi-marginal group of people with extreme right-wing views. There are such in Russia ...
        But here the general of the Russian army Anton Ivanovich Denikin was an anti-communist, but a patriot of his homeland. And he refused to head the Russian Liberation Army, at the suggestion of the Nazis.

        The same Lukov, did not take any part in 2MV. He retired before the outbreak of war.
        Your bastards commemorate the fascist plaque and crap on the Alyosha Monument.

        There are scoundrels in all countries. They are not divided into ours and yours. They are ... just bastards. Those who are crap on Alyosha. You’ll count them on fingers, but in Russia there are much more such vandals ...
    25. 0
      24 February 2020 14: 24
      Quote: pytar
      The squareness of the head does not allow us to distinguish between the gravestone, which is almost sacred among any people., And a commemorative plaque placed in honor. From this one step to the monuments in the central squares.

      Regarding square heads ... they do not distinguish between a memorial plaque placed on a public property and on a private house. I don’t know if the Doenitz’s house is still standing and whether there is a sign on it. But if you read the text on Lukov’s boards, it is very clearly written who put this board - (non-governmental organization) BNS. This is a private event at a private house. According to the laws of Bulgaria, in a private property you can even put a monument. The use of Nazi symbols is not permitted.
      I do not care who your idol was anti-communist or Russophobe. Since he still collaborated with the Nazis.

      You obviously don’t read the comments ... Gen. Lukov is an idol for a small semi-marginal group of people with extreme right-wing views. There are such in Russia ...
      But here the general of the Russian army Anton Ivanovich Denikin was an anti-communist, but a patriot of his homeland. And he refused to head the Russian Liberation Army, at the suggestion of the Nazis.

      The same Lukov, did not take any part in 2MV. He retired before the outbreak of war.
      Your bastards commemorate the fascist plaque and crap on the Alyosha Monument.

      There are scoundrels in all countries. They are not divided into ours and yours. They are ... just bastards. Those who are crap on Alyosha. You’ll count them on fingers, but in Russia there are much more such vandals ...

      Hitler began with a group of marginals. You have a great future ahead in this direction. And the rich past of the betrayals of their saviors.
      1. 0
        24 February 2020 15: 06
        Hitler began with a group of marginals.

        Among the Bolsheviks, the marginals were also grabbed.
        You have a great future ahead in this direction.

        You are not a seer, for you the future is foggy.
        And the rich past of the betrayals of their saviors.

        You don’t even know the past.
    26. 0
      24 February 2020 14: 59
      For reference: Hristo Lukov is a right-wing nationalist, in 1935-1938 - Minister of War of Bulgaria. He was one of the main figures of Bulgarian fascism, an active supporter of allied relations with Hitler.
    27. 0
      24 February 2020 15: 55
      For reference: Hristo Lukov is a right-wing nationalist, in 1935-1938 - Minister of War of Bulgaria. He was one of the main figures of Bulgarian fascism, an active supporter of allied relations with Hitler.

      1. Lukov is not a nationalist because a supporter of Hitler, who considered the Bulgarians to be subhuman. In addition, in 1923-25 ​​he participated in the deprivation of rights and extermination of the Bulgarian people.
      2. Lukov is a bad commander because his soldiers fled.
      3. Lukov is even worse than a military strategist because in two the warrior did not foresee the winner.
      If someone in Bulgaria doesn’t know it, it’s very bad, and if he knows and continues to praise Lukov, it’s even worse.
    28. +1
      24 February 2020 16: 11
      Quote: Kostadinov
      For reference: Hristo Lukov is a right-wing nationalist, in 1935-1938 - Minister of War of Bulgaria. He was one of the main figures of Bulgarian fascism, an active supporter of allied relations with Hitler.

      Real patriots of Bulgaria are rarely found. The patriot will defend not the government, not the politics of today, but the Motherland. Whatever it is. Happy today, or unhappy. To defend a fascist President is not to pray to God, but to pray to the devil. Presidents come and go. Homeland one and the other will not.
      1. 0
        24 February 2020 18: 53
        Real patriots of Bulgaria are rarely found.

        You just don’t know anything about it. You cannot judge accordingly. And Lukov is really a controversial person. The fact is that he now has no more than 200-300 fans. An insignificant number that has no influence. MORE: Hristo Lukov was removed from the post of Minister of War on 04.01.1938/XNUMX/XNUMX and retired. No longer held any government posts.
    29. +2
      24 February 2020 19: 03
      Quote: pytar
      Real patriots of Bulgaria are rarely found.

      You just don’t know anything about it. You cannot judge accordingly. And Lukov is really a controversial person. The fact is that he now has no more than 200-300 fans. An insignificant number that has no influence. MORE: Hristo Lukov was removed from the post of Minister of War on 04.01.1938/XNUMX/XNUMX and retired. No longer held any government posts.

      To commit a muck or a crime, one minute is enough. To justify this bastard short-term finding on the post-top of idiocy.
      1. 0
        24 February 2020 19: 37
        To justify this bastard short-term finding on the post-top of idiocy.

        Do you read what I write? I only give you the facts! Where do I justify Lukov? belay For me, he is an extremely negative person. negative
    30. +3
      24 February 2020 21: 02
      Quote: pytar
      About the Resistance Movement in Bulgaria, you can search and read it yourself. There is enough information on the Internet. Armed attacks, full-scale battles, sabotage and acts of sabotage. You can find out more in the Wiki from the links. Compare with Kovpak, Fedorov, incorrectly. The scale of the countries, population and socio-political situation are different.

      Belarusian partisans suit you? The population is much closer. And the Yugoslav ones that you destroyed were very successful?
      1. 0
        25 February 2020 00: 01
        Belarusian partisans suit you?

        Front passed through the territory of Belarus, fierce battles of the two strongest armies of the world were fought. Our situation was completely different. Left and right since 1923 fought a permanent civil war of varying intensity. .
        And the Yugoslav ones that you destroyed were very successful?

        90% of Yugoslavia's losses were the result of internal Yugoslav massacres. There everyone was teasing each other. By the way, who is "you"? Bulgarian communist partisans collaborated with the Titans. And the monarchists, respectively, fought with both. In Serbia, the puppet government of Nedić, different types of nationalists - the Chetniks, did the same thing.
    31. 0
      25 February 2020 03: 20
      Bulgarian right -banned right march? laughing
    32. 0
      25 February 2020 03: 39
      In this case, as it turns out, the Bulgarian police did not interfere with the radicals in their desire to lay flowers on the plate of Hristo Lukov, which is installed on the wall of the house, where in 1943 the Bulgarian fascist was eliminated. Completely confused and bifurcated laughing
      1. 0
        25 February 2020 09: 53
        In this case, as it turns out, the Bulgarian police did not interfere with the radicals in their desire to lay flowers on the plate of Hristo Lukov, which is installed on the wall of the house, where in 1943 the Bulgarian fascist was eliminated. Completely confused and bifurcated

        Gennady, you do not read the posts above. You are confused! laughing
        Lukov’s personality is controversial, ambiguous. On the one hand, he is an anti-communist, on the other, a Hero of the Balkan and World War I. I did not participate in 2MB, I was a pensioner. Something like Kolchak or Denikin.
        The authorities banned the march, but they do not have the right to prohibit private individuals from putting wreaths on a plate in a private house. You in your house can put a sign on some of your idol after all! lol
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      1. 0
        25 February 2020 10: 38
        Of course, the situation was completely different. Frank destruction of Belarusians, and allied attitude towards the Bulgarians. A calm situation, and a slight push towards resistance by the party elite, sitting out in the USSR.

        In the territory of the Soviet Union, the Nazis fought simultaneously - racial / ethnic / and ideological / anti-communist / war. In Bulgaria, the civil war was fought only on an ideological principle - the monarchists against the communists. Our Germans behaved in a completely different way. In no cases were not noticed. Moreover, Bulgaria regained its ethnic lands in Macedonia. The local population greeted the Bulgarian army as the Liberator! Yes, it is one third of the population of Bulgaria itself comes from these areas! My family is from Bitol! And the top of the BKP really sat in Moscow. They came after 09.09.1944 and began to rule the country, destroying the opposition.
        It becomes clear this attitude Bulgaria to NATO now looking at the past this about prostitutes.

        This is for the moderators. And I don’t like a lot of things, but I never allowed myself to offend entire nations! By the way, I have great respect for Belarus! I have a bunch of friends from this country!
        You now have torchlight processions and veneration of the Nazis. An alliance with them, slightly covered, and not expressing their attitude towards Hitler. God punish you all.

        You have a distorted view of the situation. Seen do not read the posts. The torchlight procession was banned, probably forever. Adherents of Lukov are a small marginal group. God will punish all who are needed, especially fools who sow hatred for other nations. They, these fools, are no different from the Nazis! Because ignorance itself is a terrible sin! All the others come from him!
    34. +2
      25 February 2020 13: 19
      Quote: pytar
      And I don’t like a lot of things, but I never allowed myself to offend entire nations!

      If a traitor was called a traitor is an insult? But the betrayer doesn’t it concern? You have trampled a century-long relationship with Russia. And dare you say something about insult? You have done this more than once since the Balkan Wars.
      1. 0
        25 February 2020 17: 54
        If a traitor was called a traitor is an insult?

        Who betrayed whom, you can learn from this cognitive article:
        https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2017/10/20/738689-bratushki-bratoubiitsami
        Events described chronologically from facts up to 1MB. If we go further, we come to the betrayal of Gorbi and Yeltsin, who betrayed the USSR, Russia and all their allies, among which one of the most faithful was Bulgaria.
        So don’t throw stones ... it's a bad idea ... negative
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