Archival affairs. We read the newspaper "Stalin's banner" for 1939


This is what the “hat” of the Stalinist Banner newspaper for 1939 looked like. It was written about cavalry because it was its anniversary. And, of course, the cavalry was called Stalinist, because it was he who created it in 1919.


“... then what benefit will I bring to you if my words do not contain revelation, knowledge, prophecy, or instruction?”
First Corinthians 14: 6


History and documents. Today we turn to one very interesting newspaper. Not central, local, which used to be called “Working Penza”, but then in the late 30s it was naturally renamed “Stalin's Banner”. However, there wasn’t too much local in it, because reprints from the newspaper Pravda took up a lot of space. It is now all the local newspapers write about the local, and the central - about the central, then it was different. And partly right. The one who read one newspaper read them all.

We will read the newspaper for 1939. And immediately note that what could not have been evident to contemporaries can be clearly seen during sequential viewing. Every year, newspapers of that time look different. Individual words change in them, themes change in them, photos change in them. They change the characters of photos. For example, in 1937 the noun "pest" and the adjective "pest" were popular. In 1939 they no longer meet. But what about the thesis of the intensification of the class struggle as it progresses? ..


For example, how she covered the entry of Soviet troops into the Baltic states

You see how it was then: amateur performances were organized at all halts, everyone sang Soviet songs, and whoever didn’t know them, they learned it. Such information is very good for writers. Finished sketch in the novel. Our fighter met a local girl and teaches her song: "Do we stand still, in our daring we are always right ..."


A year after the events that took place, stories began to appear in the newspaper about battles with the Japanese at the Zaozernaya hill. Apparently, the information should have been tracked down


And one more material on the same topic, which appeared only a year later.


And the caricature. Well, what without her ...


The newspaper revealed both local troubles and problems


The opinion of the hostile British press was very important.


And here is a very interesting message about the beginning of "hostile actions of Germany on the Polish border." Well, why not just write that Germany attacked Poland, that it committed an act of aggression, and not brand it as an arsonist of war. But since the Germans were "for us" then, such euphemisms were used



About the fact that the war began, that an act of aggression was committed by the fascist state, showing "its bestial nature", there is not a word


War map


Another card


Finally, on September 10, they decided to call the cat a cat!


And a helping hand reached out to the victims of the war!


Poland exports gold to Egypt ...


Operational summary of the headquarters of the Red Army


A salvo of artillery simply could not be with us! Only Voroshilovsky!


And this is just the documents from the November 18 issue of the newspaper on the creation of the Red Cavalry


For some reason, it was at this time in our regional newspaper that a lot of Sami legends, folk tales, akyns songs from the Caucasus Mountains, dedicated to ... well, of course, to Comrade Stalin appeared


And this is the Kabardino-Balkarian song "Stalin - the golden sun"


And this was our Soviet Mordva. What a wonderful rhyme: water - cold, and so on.


Steeper than this, probably, is only our modern edition of 2009. Well, you just can not resist, so as not to compare these two years. 70 years have passed, but human stupidity, alas, is ineradicable


To my surprise, the newspaper published a selection of materials on the outbreak of World War I. After that, nothing similar was found in our regional newspaper anymore.


Probably, the reason was the words of Stalin that the matter was about a new war.


At the local level, the individual farmers again


And the Penza baths collapsed ...


And shit flowed through the yards ...


And the “petty-bourgeois" laxity and licentiousness were to blame! That is, as according to Lenin a petty-bourgeois wave swept Russia after 1917, so it did not go anywhere. So they floundered in it ...


The Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks pointed out to the Penza people their mistakes (that’s what the matter!), And they saw them right away and realized that they were complacent and conceited, and immediately began to “get excited” and correct themselves ... They started, so to speak, the process of combating marriage . However, in the end, judging by other publications and materials of the OK VKP (b), they didn’t get rid of it completely. Fuh, what stubborn people!


Such portraits of the leader were then printed by our Penza newspaper


But you can’t even look at such paintings by folk artists without laughter. Don't you think the apples on the tray on the left are a bit small?


“After all, Voroshilov, the first red officer, is able to shed blood for the USSR with us!” Some kind of insulting song turned out? The name itself is “Budennovsky March”. There is Voroshilov, Budenny too, but Comrade Stalin is not mentioned, although he was directly related to the creation of the Red Cavalry. Although here he is, in the photo


Signing a non-aggression agreement. This photo was in all Soviet newspapers.


And this too ...


Surprisingly, the triumvirate of Stalin, Voroshilov, Budyonny, standard for newspapers of 1937 and 1938, somehow became a rarity in 1939, but new faces appeared next to the leader - Molotov and Andreev


At that time, they flew in Penza on gliders, but now they fly: all the time they circle around the village of Chemodanovka


Why did they stick photos of American bombers over New York in a local newspaper? But for some reason ...


One year later. Photo of the heroes of Hassan


For some reason, many photos from the exercises of the Kiev Military District began to appear in the newspaper.


The air smelled of war. It was obvious. Penza for the study of a machine gun


And the Mongols fired from a bow, so they continued to shoot!

In my opinion, an interesting selection turned out to show how the press and the country lived then.

Well, if someone wants something else, let him try to write about that time based on the materials of his regional newspaper. It will be very interesting to compare.

To be continued ...
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  1. bistrov. 10 March 2020 07: 21 New
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    It turns out that as early as 1940 there were many single-handed individuals (not members of collective farms). But what about the statement of today's “democrats" that everyone who did not want to join collective farms was dispossessed and stolen to Siberia back in the year 30? Problem ....
    1. bober1982 10 March 2020 07: 36 New
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      Quote: bistrov.
      But what about the statement of today's "democrats"

      The negative image of Stalin was formed precisely under Khrushchev, then, under Brezhnev, there was a very careful rehabilitation - at the cinema level, they began to show him as a positive figure.
      In perestroika times, from Stalin made the fiend of hell.
      Today's democrats do not care about Stalin, for them this topic is not relevant.
      1. Aviator_ 10 March 2020 08: 09 New
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        Today's democrats do not care about Stalin, for them this topic is not relevant.

        More than relevant. When a comparison is made of the country's development over the same period of time, for example, over 10 years, a liberal howl rises that Stalin achieved this by planting one hundred thousand miles of “real masters” - kulaks.
        1. Diana Ilyina 10 March 2020 10: 56 New
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          Aviator_ (Sergey)
          More than relevant. When a comparison is made of the country's development over the same period of time, for example, over 10 years, a liberal howl rises that Stalin achieved this by planting one hundred thousand miles of “real masters” - kulaks.
          The fact of the matter is that the comparison is far from in favor of the current leaders. They are up to the Stalinist pace of development as to the moon on foot, but in terms of self-glorification, the current government has surpassed not only the Stalin era, but Brezhnev too, and has repeatedly surpassed it.
          And the author has a huge minus for the ridiculous trolling of the Stalin era. It seems like he didn’t write anything from himself, but the nasty sediment remained. However, in this ugly sediment all Shpakovsky, all his vile essence.
          1. 210ox 10 March 2020 11: 01 New
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            Diana, dear .. I think this is not trolling. Rather, an opportunity to compare with the current media. Yes, there is a certain exaggeration and ingratiation. And look at what the pro-government media personality cult is writing! However, Putin to Stalin as to Beijing on the wheel.
            1. vladcub 10 March 2020 12: 05 New
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              Well said
          2. Aviator_ 10 March 2020 18: 59 New
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            I absolutely agree with you, the current time is a capitalist "paradise", for which director Govorukhin advocated in his perestroika rotten film "Russia We Lost." The author of the article is a former teacher of Marxism-Leninism, where he went exclusively because of money, and in general, without a shovel of a known substance, he rarely leaves material for the USSR.
            1. kalibr 11 March 2020 07: 06 New
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              Sergey, it turns out that you have released the first material on such an interesting topic. I am glad that you have tried yourself in electronic journalism. I hope that you, as an aviation specialist, would be able to make articles for VO on the consecration in the USSR press of the 30,40,50s --- years of aviation of that time. That is, what newspapers wrote about her. I understand that you are busy, but this topic is very interesting, and a specialist should consider it.
      2. fk7777777 10 March 2020 08: 19 New
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        So, in 1943, a son near a Khrushchev flew over to the Germans on an airplane, well, and our specialists flunked him for it, this Khrushchev hated everything around him, although he was still a demon ...
        1. bober1982 10 March 2020 08: 26 New
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          Quote: fk7777777
          So in Khrushchev's son in 1943 flew to the Germans on an airplane

          He was a combat hero pilot, did not fly anywhere, no need to slander.
          1. vladcub 10 March 2020 12: 16 New
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            There is a murky story regarding the son of N. S. Khrushchev: there was no concrete evidence of his death. At the same time, it is not clear who and when was the first to launch this topic.
            1. bober1982 10 March 2020 12: 25 New
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              Quote: vladcub
              At the same time, it is not clear who and when was the first to launch this topic.

              Here on the site and sorted out this topic. Why defame the name of the hero?
              You can be hostile towards N. Khrushchev, but why should you get your son involved in this whole troubled story.
              1. vladcub 10 March 2020 19: 55 New
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                I don’t remember something. "Something with my memory has become"
    2. fk7777777 10 March 2020 08: 21 New
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      Everything is very subtle there, in fact dual power in the country came from Ilyich. And they blamed everything on Stalin.
    3. Olgovich 10 March 2020 10: 52 New
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      Quote: bistrov.
      It turns out back in 1940 year was lot individual farmers (not members of collective farms)

      1. Review of newspapers for 1939 g
      2. By 1939, the collective farm 94% of peasants and 99.1% of the sown area.

      Author: In my opinion, an interesting compilation turned out showing what the press and country lived then

      The selection is certainly interesting, but did this country live, for example, strange songs in honor of the leader? no

      The real truth of life was in full swing in secret documents of the upper classes: for example, according to the same 1939:

      R. Zemlyachka-Molotov: Our repeated inspections in the center and in the localities show the formal attitude of the judiciary to the review of the collective farm, rural asset and individual collective farmers convicted in 1934-1937. According to the RSFSR, only 8,3% of all reviewed cases were terminated

      The implementation of judgments and rulings of the courts on the release from prison of those who were dismissed is criminally delayed. No measures are being taken to trace these people.. Actual Release Control broken asset no.

      In the camps, the lists are so messed up that it’s almost impossible to find a person.

      Or is this a crime - the most cruel exploitation of CHILDREN in the so-called "people's" state:
      Vyshinsky, Prosecutor General of the USSR:
      Prosecutors of provinces and territories report widespread use on collective farms of labor of children under the age of 14 years. Moreover, the working hours of children are usually equal to working hours adultsx In some cases, it applies night work. Many children, constantly working on collective farms, don't go to school. There have been child labor on heavy and hazardous work.
      . Minors worked on an equal footing with adults (lobo jackets, cleaning tractor trailers, transporting grain, and stacking). Application cases identified night labor minors. There were cases mutilations. The length of the working day of minors in most cases is 10-12 hours a day. .
      ..


      Such is the “care” for children ...

      Many reports of the UNKVD about the wild mess in the "planned economy, for example.
      Report of the NKVD in the Chkalov region May 14, 1939

      Unused land [in] collective farms of the Chkalov region is availableI 598 039 ha. 1516 ha were leased to the individual farmers and organizations.

      The squandering of lands by collective farms [with] benefit is 212, [on] collective farms the excess is 1580 hectares. The plan is subject to repair of combines 4891, renovated 618, tractors - 3544, 2650 repaired, lobogreyki, threshers and other agricultural implements were not repaired. [B] 1939 to be received from the bread-giver 1 million 265 thousand tons of grain. There is [in] the availability of storage capacity [at] 697 tons. The lack of storage capacity is 644 tons. There are not enough 234 tarpaulins, 800 thousand bags. There is a car fleet: Soyuzsovkhoztrans - 30 cars, 552 of them without rubber, Soyuztrans - 303 cars, of which 1366 without tires, 170 cars are to be repaired.

      Significantly Stalin’s speech at Plenum of the Central Committee in May 1939where he admitted that the peasants still trying to break out of collective farm bondage, seizing land en masse, and people fought for land with the authorities, they are trying to work for themselves and that collective farm lands are being reduced under pressure in favor of personal plots! They took the land from people again, planted it, cut it off, forced it to work in collective farms ...

      And this is the 10th year of collectivization!

      Wild barbarism this year was going on with the forced settlement of farms and small villages on c. homesteads.

      Or is it the "well-being" of the people:
      Report of the NKVD of the USSR in the SNK of the USSR on interruptions in state and cooperative trade in bread. July 19, 1939

      Over the past months, a number of districts have seen large interruptions in state and cooperative trade in baked bread. Huge lines are created at bakeries and stalls causing discontent and complaints among consumers. A number of districts of Ryazan, Gorky, Kalinin, Moscow, Smolensk and other regions are extremely unsatisfactory supplied with brown bread.

      In Sarajevo, Mikhailovsky, Uholovsky, Novo-Derevensky districts of the Ryazan region .; Kulebaksky, Muromsky, Vyksunsky, Sosnovsky, Vadsky, Pavlovsky, Semenovsky and other areas of the Gorky region, a number of areas and in the city of Saransk of the Mordovian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and others - round-the-clock queues of several hundred people line up at bakeries. etc.

      And how much bread died, to which nobody cares (no owner) - visible both from the note cited by the author and from the documents for 1939, see http://istmat.info/node/35283 (from there all quotes)
      1. kalibr 10 March 2020 11: 14 New
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        Well, there are also lines for bread in this article. And the secret data will again be in the materials from the archive of OFOPO GAPO.
        1. vladcub 10 March 2020 12: 36 New
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          I would like to sit in the archive, but there is no time for this. And before in the course of time it wasn’t so hot, but now ... You won’t go around and eat, but you’ll always bite
      2. vladcub 10 March 2020 12: 27 New
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        In fact, the mess was and will be. It’s like stupidity is a common phenomenon
        1. Olgovich 10 March 2020 13: 32 New
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          Quote: vladcub
          In fact, the mess was and will be. It’s like stupidity is a common phenomenon

          Certainly.

          But tell me, the OWNER is THAT is possible:
          Information TSUNHU Gosplan of the USSR in the People's Commissariat of the USSR on the harvesting of ears of corn. August 10, 1939

          In a number of areas, unsatisfactory cleaning quality was noted. Some combine harvesters, in pursuit of the amount of harvested area, are mowing lodged bread at a high cut and to completely capture the header, working at high speed. As a result of such work, large grain losses despite nand the decree on the device for combine harvesters when harvesting lodged bread - these devices are not made, and bread is harvested with huge lossesreaching up to 3-4 and even 7 centners per ha on individual collective farms. Enough decisive measures to combat losses, with the exception of certain areas, according to the UNHU, not maintained

          Raking spikelets on the stubble is weak. The audit showed that at best they start raking the spikelets on the 6-7th day after harvesting. At the same time, no adaptations are made to the horse rake, which ensures a good collection of a short-cut spike.

          According to the UNHU of the Ukrainian SSR, in some areas, ripening of bread caught MTS and collective farms off guard. Part of the harvesters entered the harvest late. In order to catch up with the lag of the first days of cleaning, the implementation of the plan was carried out due to the quality of work, due to large grain loss assumptions. For example, facts were established when, in pursuit of the fulfillment of the plan and in order to save fuel, the directors of MTS instructed the combine harvesters to remove the laid bread with dense bread-bearing on a full header. The result was huge losses reaching up to 4 centners of grain per hectare and inabove. In some cases, took place in the USSR huge losses from shedding intermittent bread. In all areas of the Ukrainian SSR, according to the UNHU, there are numerous facts of poor quality harvesting and large grain losses.

          Incoming information from other areas also indicates large grain losses when cleaning (Ordzhonikidzevsky territory, Krasnodar territory, etc.).
          ?

          Everyone all-drum, because not his-and this mess after all- in the conditions of the most severe criminal responsibility, in 1939!

          Can you imagine something like this (shedding, spitting on flat bread, prepared tools, etc.) if a person worked for himself and in his field?

          How many times did “enormous losses” occur during the two paragraphs of the Note?

          That’s the whole tale of the "effectiveness" of the collective farm.
          1. ser56 10 March 2020 14: 55 New
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            Quote: Olgovich
            reaching up to 4 centners of grain per hectare and above.

            with a yield of 8-12ts ... request
          2. Foul skeptic 10 March 2020 14: 56 New
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            Can you imagine something like this (shedding, spitting on flat bread, prepared tools, etc.) if a person worked for himself and in his field?

            No, of course, only for full lobsters. Only this does not mean the effectiveness (or rather, inefficiency) of collective farms, as such.
            1. Olgovich 10 March 2020 15: 11 New
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              Quote: A vile skeptic
              No, of course, only full lobsters. Only this does not mean the effectiveness (or rather, inefficiency) of collective farms, as such.

              Yeah, ALL Ussr, Ordzhonikidze region, Krasnodar region and etc.- "...." lobsters " belay :
              In all areas of the Ukrainian SSR, according to the UNHU, there are numerous facts of poor-quality harvesting and large grain losses.

              And this, mind you, information is only about losses only during CLEANING.

              But there were wild losses when transportation and storage, where everyone was drumming too.

              Stalin:
              Tens of thousands of tons of grain lie in the rain without any shelter, elementary grain storage conditions are violated in a gross manner.
              sentence the perpetrators to death, shoot them and publish this in the local press.

              and so forth ...

              One can immediately see the “effective” management of the “efficient” economy, where the “lean” “owners” of “their” land are working.

              I ask you, from the PRESENT owner THIS happens?
              And this game is on .... 10th year of the "triumph" of the collective farm
              1. Foul skeptic 10 March 2020 15: 29 New
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                I ask you, from the PRESENT owner THIS happens?

                So I answered you, Andrew:
                No, of course, only in full lobotyas.

                You misinterpreted my words simply. Or I inaccurately expressed myself. That in the first, that in the second case this is not a cause for debate.
              2. ccsr 10 March 2020 18: 20 New
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                Quote: Olgovich
                I ask you, from the PRESENT owner THIS happens?

                As it happens - 1929, USA, you will find everything you want there.
          3. strannik1985 10 March 2020 15: 07 New
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            That’s the whole tale of the "effectiveness" of the collective farm

            According to the same TsUNHU on collective farms, losses per hectare of 1,4 for 1938 and 1,9 for 1939, with yields of 9,2 and 10 centners. respectively.
            At the same time, state procurements and purchases in 1928/29 amounted to 10,8 million tons of grain, and in 1939/1940 30,7 million tons.
            1. Foul skeptic 10 March 2020 15: 40 New
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              The answer is not very sophisticated.
              The TSUNHU note contains the words SEPARATE, RANGE, SOME (albeit numerous) ... But many present would like to see in this note that it was everywhere. If some "owners" made losses of 7 kg / ha, then in general the national average due to normal households was 1,9 (which, of course, is also a lot)
              1. strannik1985 11 March 2020 07: 44 New
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                The answer is not very sophisticated.

                And the funny thing is, the reasons for the transition from private to collective farms were discussed dozens, if not hundreds of times. These "reference owners" in 1927 organized a bread strike, not wanting to hand over bread at state prices and do not care that the state is poor and cannot pay as much as they want, that a lot of people eat on cards, and when collectivization had begun, it was relatively soft , voluntarily, a real war began in the village, setting fire to collective farm property and buildings, intimidating and killing collective farm activists.
                1. Olgovich 11 March 2020 10: 18 New
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                  Quote: strannik1985
                  And the funny thing is, the reasons for the transition from private to collective farms were discussed dozens, if not hundreds of times. These "reference owners" in 1927 organized a bread strike, not wanting to hand over bread at state prices and do not care that the state is poor and cannot pay as much as they want, that a lot of people eat on cards, and when collectivization had begun, it was relatively soft , voluntarily, a real war began in the village, setting fire to collective farm property and buildings, intimidating and killing collective farm activists.

                  ANYTHING is an outside matter before peasant bread, which he himself sowed and raised without the help of unfortunate leaders

                  If the ignoramus and stupid had the so-called "brains" only rob the villagers, and not create the conditions to ensure the BENEFIT for the peasants to produce bread and sell it (as it was before and it has been in all countries), then this is the problem of the poor-headed ones themselves, and not millions of peasants.

                  There are Russian proverbs for them:
                  "You can’t, um, don’t torture!"
                  "Do not know how, DO NOT TAKE!"

                  PS, therefore, they were afraid of the elections, as HELL-Ladan .....

                  Regarding the "growth" of commercial grain 28-37 years: the consumption of bread per capita in 28 g -214 kg, 37 g-192 kg.
                  Meat 28 g -32 kg, in the "gracious" 37 g ....... as much as 18 kg

                  Disgrace ......
                  1. strannik1985 11 March 2020 15: 11 New
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                    NOTHING

                    Yes, the state "only" protects them, contains about 50 million workers, students, employees (for 1934), guarantees grain production of industrial crops, for example, for cotton growers in 1930, 30 million pounds, in 1934 39 million, 5,5 million in flax and hemp in 1930, 11 million in 1934, and also forest, furs, fish, tobacco, in general, approximately for 1934 in the areas of growing industrial crops from state funds partially supplied another 24 million with bread. person. It also teaches, treats, and provides employment opportunities.
                    If the ignoramus and stupid

                    The peasant population is overwhelmingly poor, they even forgave tax debts.
                    Regarding the "growth" of commodity grain

                    This is the average for the hospital, according to the TsUNKHU memorandum dated January 16, 1935 on collective farms annual consumption per person is 1933/34 233 kg, for 1934/1935 259 kg.
                    1. Olgovich 12 March 2020 09: 45 New
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                      Quote: strannik1985
                      Yes, the state is "just" protecting them

                      140 million peasants did not ask these “defenders” to defend them, somehow they managed without them for a thousand years, and the country grew.

                      With the "defenders" -cruised until the 17th century, it's just a fact.
                      Quote: strannik1985
                      cottonorobam in 1930 year 30 million pounds, in 1934 39 million, for flax and hemp 5,5 million in 1930, 11 million in 1934, and also forest, furs, fish, tobacco, in general, approximately 1934 in the areas of growing industrial crops from state funds partially supplied bread 24 million people

                      As a result of these "selfless works" and the tireless "care" of the "defenders" - 7 million people died of starvation (with cannibalism) - in PEACE 32-33, they were golded in 1937, 1939

                      Russians were able to get dressed, as in 1913 ...to 1955

                      Quote: strannik1985
                      It also teaches, treats, and provides employment opportunities.

                      Work on those collective farms themselves and pay "tribute" (according to Stalin), and people from there RUNS with all their might — from hopeless hard labor.

                      Schools on collective farms were maintained by the collective farms themselves, as well as teachers paid wages.
                      Pensions were received in the 30s already .... 7 (seven!)% Of old people, and many DISABLED people paid taxes, children mercilessly exploited in adult work, etc., etc.
                      Quote: strannik1985
                      The peasant population is overwhelmingly poor, they even forgave tax debts.

                      false even completely robbedx and exiled peasants ... charged old arrears already in places of exile
                      Quote: strannik1985
                      This is an average of hospital, according to the memorandum of TsUNHU of January 16, 1935 on collective farms annual consumption per person is 1933/34 233 kg, for 1934/1935 259 kg.

                      1. This is an average of the COUNTRY, and not the "hospital".

                      2. In the same year, TSONHU proudly announced that infant mortality in 1933 g in the USSR was much less than in ... England fool
                      These are you ... and "authorities"
                  2. Foul skeptic 11 March 2020 17: 38 New
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                    create conditions to provide BENEFIT for peasants to produce bread

                    In those realities, this is impossible. Moreover, the peasant is not interested in growing more under individual management. Why, if he himself is enough? To feed the workers? Spit on the workers. So that the state can buy important technology? Yes, he does not care about all the technologies combined and the state in addition. To buy industrial products? And he didn’t need it, historically it happened that he could do without it except for a narrow list of positions, most of which are conditionally industrial, and to be honest - artisanal. Being determines consciousness. Therefore, the low marketability of individual farms. It was not the state that unscrewed the price scissors, but such peasants. A country cannot live without industry, but a peasant can, for centuries, a worker depends on a peasant, but a peasant does not. And you can’t beat it.
                    as it was before them

                    before them there was the same low marketability at the level of 11-14%, but since the urban population was small, and for large landowners the marketability was under 40%, this was not critical.
                    and was and is in all countries

                    In all industrialized countries for two hundred years, the peasantry got used to industrial products so that these products became an integral part of life for which the peasant was ready to give money. For Russia, the aspirations of the peasants ended either with the same agricultural products (still buy a cow), or with land. All request Not to mention the fact that marketability in Europe was also provided by large landowners, and not ordinary peasants.
                    Regarding the "growth" of commercial grain 28-37 years: the consumption of bread per capita

                    per capita consumption has nothing to do with marketability.
                    1. Olgovich 12 March 2020 10: 05 New
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                      Quote: A vile skeptic
                      In those realities, this is impossible.

                      Otherworldly these realities were NOT created by peasants
                      Quote: A vile skeptic
                      Moreover, the peasant not interested grow more with individual management. Why, if he himself is enough? To feed the workers? Spit on the workers. So that the state can buy important technology? Yes, he does not care about all the technologies combined and the state in addition. To buy industrial products? And he didn’t need it, historically it happened that he could do without it except for a narrow list of positions, most of which are conditionally industrial, and to be honest - artisanal. Being determines consciousness.

                      1. "Interested" caught up with the productivity of the "backward" Russia in 1913 already .... after forty years!

                      2. Peasants are interested live better.

                      3. The state creates an interest produce more.

                      And your Poor Heads had the mind to only force and take away
                      Quote: A vile skeptic
                      It was not the state that unscrewed the price scissors, but such peasants.

                      Lie-read Stalin about the "tribute" from the peasants (tribute, remember, is going to defeated people) scissors
                      Quote: A vile skeptic
                      Country can not without industry

                      A country ALL might, could not be poorly headed.

                      Once again I say: "DO NOT, DO NOT TORTURE, um, yes! ".
                      Make way for those who CAN
                      Quote: A vile skeptic
                      before them there was the same low marketability at the level of 11-14%

                      What was needed, such was.

                      And again about the increase: -DO NOT YOU-DO NOT TORTURE, um, yes!

                      Quote: A vile skeptic
                      per capita consumption has nothing to do with marketability.

                      Consumption is associated with LIFE — and this, remember, is a PRIORITY for a person.

                      And if consumption drops, then do not care about "marketability", sterilization, etc.: a person eats BREAD, and not a factory and factories, which are not an end in itself, but a means.
                      1. Foul skeptic 12 March 2020 10: 55 New
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                        For the stubborn, I propose to conduct a full-scale game. I will be a peasant, you are a state. You, as a state, need to get agricultural products from me, first of all, bread for the city and export Before that, you gave all the land to the peasants. 112 thousand hectares per 452,4 million rural people - 120,7 hectares per nose. I have a family of 0,93 people - so I had 8 hectares at my disposal. However, I even have a horse, a cow and agricultural equipment. In general, 7% of peasants do not have horses and agricultural equipment and 30% do not have cows. This is the blessed time of the NEP, if that.
                        Consumption of the city by the year 27 reached 90% of the residues of the village’s products, after covering its needs. Given the high birth rate and the fact that sooner or later, those 30% of peasants who have nothing but land will fall into the city, generally drop out of the bread at least to cover their needs and shift it to the remaining 70% (and I will become the owner of 10 hectare at their expense) - then you have 5 years to prevent hunger in cities. Your actions, as a state, in relation to me, as a peasant, so that I sell more bread than is necessary to cover my needs? Let's try to simulate, let's see what kind of poor-headed you are.
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                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Your actions, as a state, in relation to me, as a peasant, so that I sell more bread than is necessary to cover my needs? Let's try to simulate, let's see what kind of poor-headed you are.

                        1. To expel, and it’s better to destroy poorly poor-headed (they fully earned it back in 1917-1927), moreover, in strict accordance with the laws of the country.

                        2. Conduct FREE elections-educated bright heads will come to power.

                        Which, knowing HOW the WHOLE WORLD and the history of Russia are being built, will return to it normal development path until 1917
                      3. Foul skeptic 12 March 2020 11: 37 New
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                        Nah, Andrei, it all happened already, they kicked them out, they held the elections and chose YOU, an educated bright head. And now further it is necessary:
                        You, as a state, need to get agricultural products from me, first of all, bread for the city and export.
                        Your actions, as a state, in relation to me, as a peasant, so that I sell more bread than is necessary to cover my needs?
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                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Nah, Andrei, it all happened already, they kicked them out, they held the elections and chose YOU, an educated bright head. And now further it is necessary:
                        You, as a state, need to get agricultural products from me, first of all, bread for the city and export.
                        Your actions, as a state, in relation to me, as a peasant, so that I sell more bread than is necessary to cover my needs?

                        see Russia until 1917.
                        see all other neighboring countries of Russia by level of development (Russia-4-5th economy of the world before the Thief)
                      5. Foul skeptic 13 March 2020 11: 18 New
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                        Andrei, do you refuse to play the field game I proposed? Otherwise, I can not interpret the answer in style, but look there. Why don't you want to? This can be continued in personal correspondence if you do not want it to be on public display.
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                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Andrei, do you refuse to play the field game I proposed?

                        Yes
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Why don't you want to?

                        I don’t see the point.
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                        Thanks for the direct answer.
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                      It makes no sense to talk with Olgovich. I have been following him for a long time. This is a CIA officer on a voluntary basis.
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    Quote: A vile skeptic
    The TSUNHU note contains the words SEPARATE, SERIES, SOME

    there isn’t such a thing, you read inattentively, you’ve already been quoted TWICE
    In ALL areas The Ukrainian SSR, according to the UNHU, there are numerous facts of poor-quality harvesting and large grain losses.

    And the exception where there is NO loss: no loss
    Decisive enough measures to combat losses, except for certain areas, according to the UNHU, is not conducted.


    Bring such a relationship with the peasant in his field
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      Andrey, sort of carefully. You will agree that the note consists not only of this proposal?
      В a number of areas marked ...

      Some combine harvesters in pursuit of ...

      ... reaching of individual collective farms ...

      ...at of individual areas ripening bread caught ...

      В a number of cases have taken place ...

      So there are such words in the note, whatever one may say. And the fact that "in all areas" ... this does not mean "all in all areas", and the criterion of multiplicity / smallness can only be ascertained from the writer.
      Bring such a relationship with the peasant in his field

      With all desire, it’s hard for me to do this.
      1. Olgovich 11 March 2020 12: 17 New
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        Quote: A vile skeptic
        Andrey, sort of carefully. You will agree that the note consists not only of this proposal?

        It summarizes all of the above, look again: In ALL regions of the Ukrainian SSR, according to the UNHU, there are numerous facts of poor quality harvesting and large grain losses.

        Incoming information from other areas also indicate large grain losses during harvesting (Ordzhonikidzevsky Territory, Krasnodar Territory and etc.).
        Quote: A vile skeptic
        With all desire, it’s hard for me to do this.

        And this can not be in their field, in their country house and in their apartment, near the slammer.
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    Quote: Olgovich
    Can you imagine something like this (shedding, spitting on flat bread, prepared tools, etc.) if a person worked for himself and in his field?

    When a person worked in his field it was, perhaps, even worse: when for a debt taken in winter from a landowner or a fist ("reference owner") it was necessary not even to return him with predatory interest, but to work it out. And work, as a rule, in the harvest. While you work for the "reference owner", your bread crumbles. The man was left without bread and without money. But "for yourself and in your field."
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      That is, the ordinary peasant was feeling bad everywhere. And with the king and the collective farm?
      1. Sugar Honeyovich 10 March 2020 17: 28 New
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        About 25-27 years ago I happened to listen to the story of a village old woman about life: "What they saw on these collective farms - they worked for the sticks!" . I ask: "And how did they live before the collective farms?" - "Yes, nothing good - worked without a break, and if you are fed or not - go and know!". Me: "And even earlier, how did you live with the king?" - "Oh, there’s horror there! With collective farms, it’s even more or less better, it’s easier!" Everything is relative in this world! wink
        1. Olgovich 11 March 2020 10: 38 New
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          Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
          Let 25-27 ago I happened to listen to the story of the village old woman about life: "What they saw on these collective farms - they worked for the sticks!" . I ask: "And how did they live before the collective farms?" - "Yes, nothing good - worked without a break, and if you are fed or not - go and know!". Me: "And even earlier, how did you live with the king?" - "Oh, there’s horror there! With collective farms, it’s even more or less better, it’s easier!" Everything is relative in this world!

          What do you?

          If only they would have thought: it was 1995, the old woman, that there should be a lot to know something about the tsar’s time over 90 years and sane.

          I'm talkingl 50 years agowhen people were still quite young, they lived with him and they said the following: “Now it’s good, compared to the war, they straightened!”

          "Not, but how was it under tsarism?"

          "Now it’s not bad, under tsarism, they also lived, um, yes .... And enough about that! What now to remember ..." - they were angry ....

          PS It was near Smolensk, 250 km from Moscow, they recently had a holiday: FOR THE FIRST TIME, they finally lit a "Ilica lamp" and conducted ... a radio ....

          Such is the "cryptification" of the "whole" country (the heart of Russia) at ..... 50 years of "narvlast" ..
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            Quote: Olgovich
            the old woman, in order to know something about the tsarist time, there must be a lot in 90 years and in her right mind.

            She was about 70, she was in her right mind and knew a lot about imperial time.
            Those "quite young, who lived with him" your interlocutors 50 years ago were about 75 or more, right? If they were less, they were not yet young under the king. Another old peasant woman who lived under the tsar like this “not yet young” said that the peasants began to live well, “when the collective farms went.”
            1. Olgovich 11 March 2020 15: 22 New
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              Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
              She was about 70, she was sane and Knew a lot about the imperial time.

              lol laughing Once again: WHAT are you talking about?

              HOW 70 summer old woman 1925 d birth could KNOW about ... imperial time - until 1917? belay lol
              Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
              Those "quite young, who lived with him" your interlocutors 50 years ago were about 75 or more, right? If they were less, they were not yet young under the king.

              This is my grandfather and grandmother born in 1902, lived under tsarism and under "communism": in the so-called year 50 "people's" authorities lived WITHOUT LIGHT and RADIO, i.e. exactly the same as in 16,17 centuries.

              They were happy, of course: they managed to send ALL of their children to the city, away from that WILD poverty, the hardest unpaid work and hopelessness in which they and all the Russian peasantry lived their lives.

              For their 90 years and hard labor on collective farms, they did not earn ANYTHING.

              Those who failed to send / leave were all considered losers and unlucky ...
              1. Sugar Honeyovich 11 March 2020 17: 37 New
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                Quote: Olgovich
                HOW could a 70 year old woman born in 1925 KNOW about ... tsarist time - until 1917?

                1924. Simple. She had parents, grandparents, a bunch of other relatives and, of course, older villagers. So we will learn about what happened before our birth. You do not understand this? : lol
                In particular, her mother, born in 1894, comparing the Soviet regime with the imperial one, pointed out only one drawback - godlessness. Otherwise, "Soviet power is good for everyone."
                Born in 1902 - I, therefore, guessed - under the tsar they were not yet young. And that peasant, according to whom a good life came only on collective farms, was born in 1904.
                And your grandmother and grandfather, therefore, from the Smolensk region? Which is consistently included in the "red belt"? hi
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                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                924 g. It is elementary simple. She had parents, grandparents, a bunch of other relatives and, of course, older villagers. So we will learn about what happened before our birth. You do not understand this?

                Yeah, now I understand: You, by your logic, also then witness and eyewitness "horror" of tsarism wink lol
                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                Born in 1902 - I, therefore, guessed - under the king they still were not young

                Gkhm ... what ?! belay
                Were they ... old men? belay
                They spoke of tsarism — very evasively, in hints, but with obvious regret — as about long and forever lost, but good.
                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                And your grandmother and grandfather, therefore, from the Smolensk region? Which is consistently included in the "red belt"?

                In the non-Black Earth region, completely plundered, depopulated and ditched by yours.

                In the 1960s, I remember, in the evening, no light, no music, NOTHING, the hut covered ... with straw or tesa. homemade wooden tools, luminous, patchwork, poverty - whether the 20th century, or 16- and you won’t understand ....

                -and this is next to the homeland of Gagarin, ALREADY flown into space!

                Shame ...
              3. Sugar Honeyovich 12 March 2020 16: 54 New
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                [quote] You, by your logic, are also then a witness and an "eyewitness" of the "horrors" of tsarism wink / quote]
                As well as yours. good
                [quote] [They ... were old people? quote
                Children and youths. And just entered the time of youth. [Quote = Olgovich] Non-chernozem region, completely plundered, depopulated and ditched by yours. [/ Quote]
                They considered ours ours? wink
              4. Olgovich 13 March 2020 10: 52 New
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                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                As well as yours.

                Nope, this is an eyewitness born to you ... AFTER the events that he saw. belay lol
                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                Children and youths. And just entered the time of youth

                They already worked from 10-12 years old. What children?!
                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                They considered ours ours?

                They didn’t carry your spirit there. yes
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                Quote: Olgovich
                Nope, this is an eyewitness born to you ... AFTER the events that he saw.

                I have never had such a thing. And here you have ...
                Quote: Olgovich
                They already worked from 10-12 years. What children

                In 10-12, according to the old concepts, not children, yes. The youths. And then they worked already from 4-5 years. Is this ... not children? belay
                Quote: Olgovich
                They didn’t carry your spirit there

                That's why they voted for them? laughing
              6. Olgovich 14 March 2020 08: 02 New
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                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                Quote: Olgovich
                Nope, this is an eyewitness born to you ... AFTER the events that he saw.

                I have never had such a thing. And here you have ...

                O. already and sclerosis lol An old woman is an eyewitness to the tsarist “horrors” of the year 1925. Yours, not
                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                In 10-12, according to the old concepts, not children, yes. The youths. And then they worked with 4-5 years. Is this ... not children?

                Since 2 years lol
                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                That's why they voted for them?

                belay fool lol
              7. Sugar Honeyovich 14 March 2020 12: 10 New
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                Quote: Olgovich
                O. already and sclerosis The old woman is an eyewitness to the tsarist “horrors” of the year 1925. Yours, not?

                Not. I never said that she is an OWNER. Are you, as always, lied to? Or does memory fail?
                request
                Quote: Olgovich
                Since 2 years

                Especially. stop
                So you say, Smolensk in the "red belt" was due to the standard of living? laughing good lol
              8. Olgovich 14 March 2020 15: 49 New
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                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                Not. I never said that she is an OWNER.

                A non-eyewitness cannot bear "that authentic" nonsense given by you.

                Otherwise, you too can carry it from your name (Grandfather, dad, etc., also told you). and it makes no sense to refer to the old woman.

                Why did you drag her in?

                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                So you sayWas the Smolensk region in the "red belt" due to the standard of living?

                Galloons? belay lol
              9. Sugar Honeyovich 14 March 2020 16: 18 New
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                The non-eyewitness cannot bear "that authentic" nonsense

                Only an eyewitness can carry nonsense? laughing Do you think so?
                And I didn’t drag her in, but I cited it as an example because 1) her story on this topic is a fact and 2) there is no reason to doubt its reliability. Absolutely not.
                Quote: Olgovich
                Halloween

                How do I know what you have there? I am not a psychiatrist. hi
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                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                Only an eyewitness can carry nonsense? Do you think so?

                What a wild habit of speaking on behalf of others that they not did they say? fool
                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                And I didn’t drag her, but I cited as an example because 1) her story on this topic is a fact and 2) in authenticity there is no reason to doubt it. Absolutely not.

                Yeah OBSis a "certainty" "TOP level lol laughing
                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                How do I know what you have there? I'm not a psychiatrist.

                A patient?! belay recourse

                I knew it... hi
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                [quote = Olgovich] What a wild habit to speak on behalf of others what they did not say [/ quote]
                So I wonder why you constantly practice it. Get rid!
                [quote = Olgovich] Yeah, OBS is the "reliability" "of the TOP Level [/ quote
                Yeah, it’s clear what the stories of 50 years ago are worth: "
                under tsarism, they also lived, um, yes .... And enough about that! What now to remember .. "[quote = Olgovich] Patient ?!
                I knew ... [/ quote]
                What, a new silhouette in your house saw? So this is another bogeyman visiting you! laughing laughing laughing
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    Praise your benefactors from across the ocean and the island, worship them as gods. They, however, exclusively carried good to North America, Australia, India, and China.
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    Olgovich, the fact of the matter is that in RI many peasants did not have or almost did not have land. The Bolsheviks and Lenin, now we will not talk about collectivization (the topic is very slippery), they thoroughly beat opponents on the land issue.
    Admiral Kolchak, as a traveler and a military man, was 3 points taller than Kolchak, a politician: if he had found a common language with Siberian peasants, then it would not be known how events would have developed. The site had a lot on this topic.
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      Quote: vladcub
      Olgovich, the fact of the matter is that in RI many peasants did not have or almost did not have land.

      And who did she ... have? wink

      And she was 90-95% .... peasants-note.

      In Siberia, 100% of the peasants.

      After the thief, the plots increased already ... by 8% (that's nothing).
      Quote: vladcub
      on the land issue they thoroughly beat opponents.


      Quote: vladcub
      Admiral Kolchak, as a traveler and a military man, was 3 points taller than Kolchak, a politician: if he had found a common language with Siberian peasants, then it would not be known how events would have developed. The site had a lot on this topic.
      The Uchr Assembly adopted the LAW ON THE LAND, the same was suggested by Kolchak and Denikin: the land really should belong to those who work on it.

      But for this it was necessary to fight, and the peasants did not want to, thought they would fall.

      Slavery fell, men started wars, but it was too late ...
      1. Sugar Honeyovich 11 March 2020 14: 53 New
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        As suggested by Kolchak and Denikin: the land really should belong to those who work on it.

        In reality, Denikin and Kolchak understood that the land would belong to someone, but not to those who work on it. And even if it belongs to these latter, then it will have to pay well. To someone.
        Because the men began to fight. For land and against age-old slavery. And, as it later rose, they did not fail. yes
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          Quote: Sugar Honeyovich

          Because the men began to fight. For land and against age-old slavery. And, as it later rose, they did not lose

          Lost, yes, despite the battles: they lost both land and will for a long 70 years.

          But also the so-called "popular" power quietly disappeared ....
          1. Sugar Honeyovich 11 March 2020 17: 41 New
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            Yes, they have lost both land and will. After 70 years of owning them. What we have - do not store ...
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              Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
              Yes, they have lost both land and will. After 70 years of owning them. What we have - do not store ...

              Yes, they lost after 1917 both land and will.

              And after 70 years, the very land and themselves, which they so passionately desired a hundred years ago, almost disappeared, after 70 years (in fact, much earlier) of "managing" the aliens-foreign tourists-I did not need anyone: by 1985, only in the Non-Black Earth Region there were half a million empty residential houses and abandoned millions of arable land, pastures, etc.
              1. Sugar Honeyovich 12 March 2020 16: 56 New
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                Yes, they lost after 1917 both land and will.

                Yes, in 1991 - this is after 1917.
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                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                Quote: Olgovich
                Yes, they lost after 1917 both land and will.

                Yes, in 1991 - this is after 1917.

                in 1917, long before 91

                Then, after 91g, they gave both land and freedom: but those who were longing for it had long been lying in the POSTNESS, reduced there by "caring" "guardians" of the "popular" "good."

                It’s just a fact: abandoned MILLIONS of non-Black Earth lands by 1985 - aspen stake to “guardians”
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                Quote: Olgovich
                in 1917 is long before 91 g

                Yes. But we are talking about the deprivation of land and will, and this is 1991. After 1917
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                Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                Yes. But we are talking about the deprivation of land and will, and this is 1991. After 1917

                Earth-after 91 g-SEA. No people

                After 1917 there was conversely.

                But you have dealt with this, as we see ....
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                After 1917 it was the other way around.

                There were people, there was no land? So they told you about it here! And you are the reason why you tried to deny this obvious! fool laughing
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                People were, there was no land? So they told you about it here!


                Blow to your sclerosis:
                Sahar Medovich (Igor) March 11, 2020 17:41
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                Yes, they have lost both land and will. After 70 years of ownership by them.


                By 1917, there were 40 million excess population in the European part of Russia.

                You “disposed of” them with “success” and even exceeded them: in 1985, in the dying Non-Chernozemye, nobody needed the land on p anymore: you were all who wanted it, fool gradually sent to the churchyard.
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                Quote: Olgovich
                you, everyone who wished it, were gradually sent to the churchyard.

                Only they all did not know about it. fool
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    But for this it was necessary to fight, and the peasants did not want to, thought they would fall.

    But haven't the men fought? At least since 1861? fellow
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    Can you imagine something like this (shedding, spitting on flat bread, prepared tools, etc.) if a person worked for himself and in his field?

    How many times did “enormous losses” occur during the two paragraphs of the Note?

    That’s the whole tale of the "effectiveness" of the collective farm.

    I will give you an example of capitalist management:
    The year before last, the farmer N., who rents a garage for the winter, put about 1000 hectares of wheat under the snow. In the spring I gathered what I could, and instead of food, I sold it as fodder. Learned even with fat. So, agriculture is a bad example.
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    Prosecutors of regions and territories report the widespread use of children under the age of 14 on collective farms.

    And in 1977 I myself went to work at the age of 14 (seasonally). And even had to beg, to take. Nobody wanted to take. So, that organization where they took to work (as a loader) is criminal?
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      Quote: BAI
      So, that organization where they took to work (as a loader) is criminal?

      if you worked more than 4 hours a day, then yes ... request
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    “He used to hold party events and didn’t consider how many of these Russians there are spent. But he gradually became noticeable and pleasant to the Russian people - this people, who had never betrayed him, who had been starving for as many years as needed, calmly going at least to the war, even to the camps, which he never rebelled against any difficulties. A loyal, rustic. Just like Poskrebyshev. And after the Victory, Stalin quite sincerely said that the Russian people have a clear mind, a strong character and patience.

    And over the years, Stalin himself already wanted to be recognized for Russian too. "

    A.I. Solzhenitsyn "In the first circle"
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      M, but the lie is still that ... This one lied and did not blush.
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      Quote: Plantagenet
      sincerely said that the Russian people have a clear mind, persistent character and patience.

      Stalin ........ I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people, not only because they are the leading people, but also because they have a clear mind, a strong character and patience. (Newspaper True 25.05.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX)
      Solzhenitsyn carefully read the newspapers.
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        Nothing of this is left of the people now! In the bulk, there are whiners and envious people. Forgotten how these people work with their hands and head
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          Quote: Rey_ka
          In the bulk of steel

          The brains were thoroughly washed, the TV was stupid, the elements of a sweet life, many reasons.
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            Quote: bober1982
            The brains were thoroughly washed, the TV was stupid, the elements of a sweet life, many reasons.

            what years are you talking about bully
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              Quote: ser56
              what years are you talking about

              How TV was invented.
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          Quote: Rey_ka
          Nothing of this is left of the people now!

          are you talking about yourself laughing
          Quote: Rey_ka
          Forgotten how these people work with their hands and head

          self-critical ... hi
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      Previously, he held party events and did not consider how many of these Russians were spent there. But gradually the Russian people became noticeable and pleasant to him - this people, who had never betrayed him, who had been starving for as many years as needed, calmly went even to war, even to camps, to any difficulties and never rebelled. Faithful, rustic. Here is one like Poskrebyshev. And after the Victory, Stalin quite sincerely said that the Russian people have a clear mind, a strong character and patience.

      And over the years, Stalin himself already wanted to be recognized for Russian too. "

      I've always been interested, but how can a person (Solzhenitsyn in this case) write this? Well, he drank tea with Stalin and somehow asked him, "Joseph, what do you think about the Russian people?" And Stalin told him this: “Well, Isaich, you see what’s the matter, I just didn’t think how many of these Russians are spent, but now I think that this people is pleasant and noticeable, they don’t rebel at least in the war, even in the camps , such a rustic and devoted people. Why, there, I would even like to be recognized for Russian! Well, you Isaich, that somehow, add some boiling water to tea, don’t sit there. "
      Is that what it was? Or where did Solzhenitsyn get all these emotional details? How Stalin thinks about Russians, what he wants, etc. That he considers him rustic and faithful. I didn’t notice it before, but now I notice it.
      Yap this your Solzhenitsyn. For plausibility, I also stuck a quote from Stalin's speech. Zhurnalyuga - one word (obscenities are prohibited here).
      1. bober1982 10 March 2020 08: 52 New
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        24.05.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX there was a reception in the Kremlin (in honor of the commanders of the Red Army), the next day in Pravda published a report. Everything is simple.
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          24.05.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX there was a reception in the Kremlin (in honor of the commanders of the Red Army), the next day in Pravda published a report.

          What is simple? You do not understand my message. Where does Solzhenitsyn get such subtle and detailed descriptions of Stalin’s attitude towards the Russian people? The phrase about "clear mind, persistent character and patience" I understand where he got it, and the rest? That he used to feel like this, now like that. Did Stalin publish this in Truth? Here is an example: "Previously, he (I) held party events and did not consider how many of these Russians are spent" - is this in Pravda printed somewhere?
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            Quote: Alex_59
            That he used to feel like this, now like that.

            What are you asking me? These are his affairs, not mine.
            Quote: Alex_59
            is it in truth somewhere printed?

            Solzhenitsyn was a writer, these people had a rich imagination, so he composed.
            1. Alex_59 10 March 2020 09: 42 New
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              Solzhenitsyn was a writer, these people had a rich imagination, so he composed.

              He was a liar, that's who.
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                He was a liar, that's who.

                Not without it, of course. I say - they are all (writers) sensitive nature.
            2. vladcub 10 March 2020 12: 52 New
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              What is true is true: the writer has a developed fantasy. But just in which direction?
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        Quote: Alex_59
        How Stalin thinks about Russians, what he wants, etc. That he considers him rustic and faithful.

        judged by deeds ... and speeches ... and there is still fiction ... request
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      Solzhenitsyn is a wonderful person: even if he told the truth, but there is no trust. Still to search for such
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      In fact, Stalin always considered himself Russian. It is worth reading his manuscripts. Where it is simply striking.
  • fk7777777 10 March 2020 08: 14 New
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    Oh, and right away about the gods, Stalin, and here’s a type of democracy, and then, uh, scribe, why not about the income level of the population, retirement age? ... And why not fix it in the constitution, for example, housing free, gas cannot cost more than 10 kopecks per liter, travel by public transport is 5 kopecks, bread is not more expensive than 72 kopecks, all that is higher than the execution of officials at the local level up to measures, governors. Who is not comfortable questions?, ...
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      And why not enshrined in the constitution, for example

      The very definition of the Russian people, this is how Stalin understood it:
      I drink, first of all, for the health of the Russian people because they are the most outstanding nation of all the nations included in the USSR. (newspaper True 25.05.1945)
    2. Pacifist with AK 10 March 2020 10: 25 New
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      Yes, my friend, your imagination is rich)))))) I would add - eternal spring, blue sky, universal happiness, etc. It reminds me of the film "Shirley-myrli", where for the money from the sale of supersized diamond all of Russia should have been a long time do not work and relax on the paradise islands))))))))))
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        relax on the paradise islands))))))))))

        how would she get in there ... bully
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      And why not fix it in the constitution, for example, housing is free, gasoline cannot cost more than 10 kopecks per liter, travel by public transport is 5 kopecks, bread is not more expensive than 72 kopecks

      Yes, no problem, fix it! .... and we are waiting for the next collapse of the country !!! Ahh, I forgot, we begin to train to stand in the lines meekly!
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      And why not fix it in the constitution, for example, housing is free, gasoline cannot cost more than 10 kopecks per liter, travel by public transport is 5 kopecks, bread is not more expensive than 72 kopecks,

      so there will be a famine and a deficit -were under SV ... request
      Quote: fk7777777
      execution of officials at the local level up to measures, governors.

      and who will shoot? or do you offer without trial?
      Quote: fk7777777
      Who is not comfortable questions?, ...

      oh, fools in Russia ... hi
  • BAI
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    The opinion of the hostile British press was very important.

    The British press on the pact logically put everything in its place. And no accusations against the USSR in general and Stalin in particular. Who is lying? The British press of 1939 or the Russian liberal "press" of 1992-2020?
    2.
    Do not you think that the apples on the tray on the left are a bit small?

    I understand that in the village where the author lived for a couple of years, there were no apple trees (according to him). But the irony is inappropriate.
    This is certainly not the size (1st photo), but still (2nd photo)

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      The British press on the pact logically put everything in its place.

      and here are quotes from British media? OR a free interpretation of GlavPur? wink
  • Maks1995 10 March 2020 09: 27 New
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    Good article. Powerful.
  • Alex_59 10 March 2020 09: 31 New
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    And here is a very interesting message about the beginning of "hostile actions of Germany on the Polish border." Well, why not just write that Germany attacked Poland, that it committed an act of aggression, and not brand it as an arsonist of war. But since the Germans were "for us" then, such euphemisms were used
    The author burns as always. The words about "hostile actions", judging by the note, belong to a certain "faithful" source from Paris. Since there is no original, these words can be anything from a free interpretation of provincial Penza journalists to an inaccurate translation of the original. And even more so, to demand from some freelance Penza newspaper to put emphasis in the form of an "act of aggression" on a situation which, apparently, is known in very general terms - this is overkill. But nothing can be seen from this note about the fact that the journalist wrote this, he believes that "the Germans are for us." Where is there even a word about it? At least a hint that Germany is a friendly state to us? Not a word.
    In addition, there, right in the header, things are called by their own names: "military operations on the border of Poland and Germany." Military action - what else is needed?
    About the fact that the war began, that an act of aggression was committed by the fascist state, showing "its bestial nature", there is not a word
    What is a fascist state? There were fascists in Italy, and where did Germany? And how could the "bestial nature" be evident in Penza in early September? In Penza, they were already obliged to know that after the occupation of Poland there they would begin to build death camps and drive Jews into gas chambers? Are the requirements for the Penza gezeta too high?
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      What is a fascist state? There were fascists in Italy, and where did Germany?

      At that time, such subtleties were not shared. In 1939, until August 23, Germany in print was a fascist state in the Penza newspapers and in Pravda. Do you need a scan?
      1. Alex_59 10 March 2020 10: 34 New
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        At that time, such subtleties were not shared.

        I believe that they did not share. Now, too, do not share. But we are not "they."
        As I understand it, the essence of your claims is that after the pact the rhetoric against Germany abruptly softened? I see no reason for it to run into the government, and even more so at the newspaper - the fact that it is propagandistic and not far (but with a different mark) in level of fabulousness left Solzhenitsyn - this is already so obvious. But, it is logical that after the settlement of relations, attacks on fascist Germany will reduce their degree. But "animal grin" fascism at that time has not yet shown.
        1. kalibr 10 March 2020 11: 00 New
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          "They" just shared. Not shared with us. However, you will soon see everything for yourself!
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          Quote: Alex_59
          Quote: kalibr
          At that time, such subtleties were not shared.

          I believe that they did not share. Now, too, do not share. But we are not "they."
          As I understand it, the essence of your claims is that after the pact the rhetoric against Germany abruptly softened? I see no reason for it to run into the government, and even more so at the newspaper - the fact that it is propagandistic and not far (but with a different mark) in level of fabulousness left Solzhenitsyn - this is already so obvious. But, it is logical that after the settlement of relations, attacks on fascist Germany will reduce their degree. But "animal grin" fascism at that time has not yet shown.

          What did “Condor” with Guernica not an indicator?
          Something you missed, Alex_59, perhaps very important.
    2. kalibr 10 March 2020 10: 36 New
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      And how could the "bestial nature" be evident in Penza in early September? In Penza, they were already obliged to know that after the occupation of Poland there they would begin to build death camps and drive Jews into gas chambers? Are the requirements for the Penza gezeta too high?

      You, Aleksey, suggested a very interesting topic: "Pravda" on German fascism "(it is clear that until August 23, 1939). Be sure to prepare such material. Can the beginning of your comment be cited as an epigraph?
      1. Alex_59 10 March 2020 10: 41 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        Can your comment be cited as an epigraph?

        Of course not.
        1. kalibr 10 March 2020 10: 55 New
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          And why? Are you afraid that your ignorance will be immediately visible to everyone? All the same, there’s nowhere to go. I can retell it in my own words ...
          1. Alex_59 10 March 2020 11: 18 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            And why not?
            Create your content with your mind, I have not hired you as a co-author. There are suggestions - write in a personal, but I do not work for free.
            Quote: kalibr
            Are you afraid that your ignorance will be immediately visible to everyone? All the same, there’s nowhere to go.
            Transition to the individual? laughing Weak position, weak. I will not answer in a mirror. I will answer in essence. The fact that fascism was condemned before the pact in the Soviet media was exposed and branded as I know.
            However, what does this indicate? Obviously in your logic, this speaks of the resourcefulness and unprincipledness of the Soviet leadership, ready to make a deal with the devil and to praise him. Well, they say, let's go back as best we can, yesterday enemies, today hugs, it would seem with "bestial fascism." For the former Komsomol member and graduate of the political department, a normal picture of the world.
            But not for big politics. There, all this emotional foam is secondary. There are interests, there are pragmatics. Only business, nothing personal. And in the world there are very few parties with which it is impossible to negotiate for moral and ethical reasons. Who determines this negotiability threshold? Yes, no one, everyone decides for himself. Based on my own interests. For the Union, the agreement with Germany was a good chance to settle relations for a while. It was profitable, it was in our interests. Following these decisions, the agitators were kicked in the ass to stop spreading fascism. Have you closed your eyes? Yes, closed, so what? The United States, for example, cooperates with the Saudis, where people cut off their hands and women go into coiled sheets, how does this compare with freedoms and democracy? No way, and I do not blame them. So beneficial to both parties.
            1. kalibr 10 March 2020 11: 22 New
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              So many words. What for? All that was needed from you, you have already written before. I started work on the material.
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                overshot you, author -> author -> author! laughing
      2. vladcub 10 March 2020 13: 02 New
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        V. Oh, you know how to choose epigraphs so that you can do without Alex words
        1. kalibr 10 March 2020 13: 28 New
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          Always a valuable opinion of the people ...
          1. vladcub 10 March 2020 20: 25 New
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            Even if most do not approve of you? In this case, you are well done, I say without irony, if you are interested in the opinions of others
            1. kalibr 11 March 2020 06: 48 New
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              "He is haunted by blasphemy: He catches the sounds of approval Not in the sweet murmur of praise, But in the wild cries of bitterness." And then what is the majority? If it consisted of worthy people, we would live in the USSR today.
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                He is haunted by "blasphemy" something familiar, but I do not remember what it is?
  • bubalik 10 March 2020 09: 43 New
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    It is now all the local newspapers write about the local, and the central - about the central, then it was different. And partly right. The one who read one newspaper read them all.

    ,,, indeed, even in a literary newspaper the same thing.

    , everyone sang Soviet songs, and those who did not know them - learned.


    ,,, and how do you like it wink in the same newspaper
    belay
    1. Pane Kohanku 10 March 2020 10: 04 New
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      ,, indeed, even in a literary newspaper the same thing.

      Fifteen years ago, leafing through psychological tests, I came to the conclusion that at least one of them contained a mistake (rather, an unfair attitude to the publication) that walked from book to book. And, by the way, teaching material! request
      Steeper than this, probably, is only our modern edition of 2009. Well, you just can not resist, so as not to compare these two years. 70 years have passed, but human stupidity, alas, is ineradicable

      and there was another song "I want someone like ..." from the group "Singing Together" ... what
      Question: and if Medvedev issued the decree, would the children be called "bears"? hi
      1. bubalik 10 March 2020 10: 52 New
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        Pane Kohanku (Pane Kohanku)

        hi
        ,,, interesting to compare. yes
        1937g.


        2018g.
        ,,,a few minutes ago, a rally in support of Vladimir Putin "For a Strong Russia" ended. It is reported that about a hundred thousand people gathered at it. People came from all over the country. Acted proxies. The culmination was the appearance of the presidential candidate himself.
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          And the methods of information work with society have not changed much, like people. And then 80% were ... and now! And 20% were smart then, and now they are the same 20%! Thank you Sergey for finding such wonderful examples!
        2. Pane Kohanku 10 March 2020 11: 06 New
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          Acted proxies. The culmination was the appearance of the presidential candidate himself.

          ordinary people ... in general, reminiscent of the former ... the housing issue only spoiled them ... (Woland). Nothing changes!
    2. Pane Kohanku 10 March 2020 12: 22 New
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      ,,, and how do you like wink in the same newspaper

      Sergey, if you remember the pre-war film "Foundling", the hero of Rostislav Plyatt just wanted to feed the girl found with crabs ... what that is ... the idea was a good one! soldier the question is, how really then could everyone get such a jar? what or is this jar the ancestor of modern crab sticks? drinks
      somehow inspired .... about the difference of possibilities ... wink
      1. bubalik 10 March 2020 12: 31 New
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        or is this jar the ancestor of modern crab sticks?
        ,,, I suppose that all the same, then, are real crabs.
        how really then could everyone get such a jar?
        ,,, the ad says in Moscow smile
        1. Pane Kohanku 10 March 2020 12: 42 New
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          ,,, the ad is written in Moscow

          the devil was in the details, and I missed him in the bottom line ... yes In general, it sometimes amazes me how you know how to pluck archival information. I bow! drinks
          1. Undecim 10 March 2020 15: 33 New
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            the question is, how really then could everyone get such a jar?
            It seems that you have never seen the Soviet "Book about tasty and healthy food", the first edition of which was published just in 1939. It began with the chapter "Towards a Socialist Plenty." I learned about the existence of so many products from these books.
            As for the opportunity to buy, something was possible in some periods.

            But here about "everyone" - there is a big question.
            1. Pane Kohanku 10 March 2020 15: 52 New
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              It began with the chapter "Towards a Socialist Plenty."

              post delicious pictures, Viktor Nikolaevich! good
              There were a lot of cookbooks at home (including "Kazakh cuisine" - my father once served in Kazakhstan). But I don’t remember anyone cooking them ... hi
              1. Undecim 10 March 2020 16: 04 New
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                This is not just a cookbook. It contained a lot of information, starting from the basics of a balanced diet and ending with the rules of table setting, information about the products produced in the USSR. The first edition was curated by Anastas Mikoyan and Joseph Stalin was quoted in it.
                On them you can write a series of articles.
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                  Each chapter was preceded by such a page.
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                  and ending with table setting rules

                  it was in the books of the 70-80s, I remember!
                  Why don't you do it? I, unfortunately, write tight, and far from cooking .... recourse
                  1. Undecim 10 March 2020 16: 23 New
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                    Why don't you do it?
                    I can’t, I will choke on my saliva.

                    Moreover, the local “canons” of Marxism will arrange a srach, proving that I am doing this all on purpose to discredit the USSR.
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                      I can’t, I will choke on my saliva.

                      if there would be a picture with a spread of fat, I would also choke.
                      Yes, and the local "canons" of Marxism will suit, proving that I am all on purpose to defame the USSR.

                      they will arrange it anyway, we are not losing anything.
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                        Judging by the emerging minuses, the "canons" pulled themselves up.
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                        Judging by the emerging minuses, the "canons" pulled themselves up.

                        Does it surprise you? I'm not there. I just now do not enter into discussions with any of them. Useless. hi
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                    My wife’s favorite book!
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                    VN, THANKS a lot to you: they reminded me of my childhood. There were many illustrations in the book, but for some reason I especially remember this photograph. I was still illiterate and someone read to me what is written on the bank.
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                      Yes. there is something to remember. This is the flyleaf of the 1952 edition. There was a legend that this was Stalin's festive table in the Kremlin.
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                      Honestly, I don’t remember this illustration. I remember "Soviet champagne", from someone from the elders I heard: "Soviet fire extinguisher from Abrau-Durs" ..
        2. vladcub 10 March 2020 20: 39 New
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          We had such a book at home, but it was already politically correct: without mentioning Stalin, I saw the first edition on the Internet and there were quotes from Stalin. Indeed, already in the early 70s there was no Sturgeon in the store. Then the "Bulls" disappeared from the shelves
          1. Undecim 10 March 2020 20: 46 New
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            but already politically correct: without mentioning Stalin
            In the 1954 edition, Beria's quotes had to be removed, and in the next edition, 1965, Stalin was no longer mentioned. So you have no earlier than 1965 edition.
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              In the 1954 edition, Beria's quotes had to be removed, and in the next edition, 1965, Stalin was no longer mentioned.

              That's interesting. Popel in the book "Tanks turned west" warmly speaks of Khrushchev, but sharply - of Zhukov. It can be assumed that the book was written between 1957 and 1964. Zhukov has already been removed, but Khrushchev is still in power. hi
  • Fat
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    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    somehow inspired .... about the difference of possibilities ...

    Chat has always been Chat. In commercial stores 40 - 50 there were a lot of them. Traffic was very powerful and cho back freight empty? After the war, already in the states, every second ad is Spiced Ham pork with spices ...
    So much so that SPAM, the origin of the term no longer seems a legend ..
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      Add ... The era of the Kamchatka crab coincides in time from 1946 to the 20th Congress of the CPSU ....
  • Blacksmith 55 10 March 2020 11: 46 New
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    Good morning .
    Dear Caliber, you write that we will read newspapers for 1939. And the first photo in my opinion for 1940.
    On what basis do I draw this conclusion? The troops of the USSR entered the Baltic republics in the summer of 1940. The year is not indicated on the newspaper, but the dates are summer. And in the summer of 1939 no one thought about the entry of the Baltic states into the USSR.
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      It’s good that you read so carefully. I, as you yourself understand, have just a huge number of such photos, something could get from one year to another completely.
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      A selection of newspapers for 34,39, and 40gg.
  • IS-80_RVGK2 10 March 2020 13: 27 New
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    But what about the thesis of the intensification of the class struggle as it progresses?

    And the struggle ended in complete victory. And the classes have disappeared. And there are no classes, no class struggle.
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      But what about the thesis of the intensification of the class struggle as it progresses?

      And the struggle ended in complete victory. And the classes have disappeared. And there are no classes, no class struggle.

      18 Congress of the CPSU (b)
      The congress adopted a new Party Charter, reflecting changes in the class structure of Soviet society. Uniform conditions for admission and the same candidate experience (1 year) were determined for all members of the CPSU (b), with the exception of people from other parties. The division into categories was canceled depending on belonging to a particular social group ...
      Well, so...
  • Andrey VOV 10 March 2020 16: 19 New
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    Quote: fk7777777
    So, in 1943, a son near a Khrushchev flew over to the Germans on an airplane, well, and our specialists flunked him for it, this Khrushchev hated everything around him, although he was still a demon ...

    Lord, what's in your head ???????
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      Lord, what's in your head ???????

      keep quiet ... this is to the Good Doctors ... no
  • Andrey VOV 10 March 2020 16: 31 New
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    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Alex_59
    And how could the "bestial nature" be evident in Penza in early September? In Penza, they were already obliged to know that after the occupation of Poland there they would begin to build death camps and drive Jews into gas chambers? Are the requirements for the Penza gezeta too high?

    You, Aleksey, suggested a very interesting topic: "Pravda" on German fascism "(it is clear that until August 23, 1939). Be sure to prepare such material. Can the beginning of your comment be cited as an epigraph?

    You are the Penza newspapers, look at the change of rhetoric regarding Germany .. the central newspapers had such a job, I don’t remember where, but I personally read and did a little work on the Tula newspapers .. well, and probably everyone understands that all the local press are always then guided by the instructions that went down from above, especially regarding editorials.
    1. Fat
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      Well, probably everyone understands that all local press organs were always guided by the instructions that came down from above, especially regarding editorials.

      Yes. Thank you for your comment. It is important
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      You are the Penza newspapers look at the change of rhetoric in relation to Germany .. the central newspapers had such work, I don’t remember where, but I personally read and did a little work on the Tula newspapers

      You can make a mix. So it will be more interesting ...
      1. Andrey VOV 10 March 2020 17: 29 New
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        Well yes .. in the form of a table .. central newspapers, local and for comparison, how rhetoric has changed in relation to the UK and France
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          Well yes .. in the form of a table .. central newspapers, local and for comparison, how rhetoric has changed in relation to the UK and France

          Tables are poorly mocked up on IN. It’s easier, as always, to give photo articles. It's more comfortable for me. Do not forget that working in the archive on old newspapers is not the most pleasant pastime.
          1. Andrey VOV 10 March 2020 19: 07 New
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            I know perfectly well about the archive, it’s just more obvious in the tablets, my eyes do not run apart))
  • nikvic46 10 March 2020 19: 04 New
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    It’s clear that everything was indicated by the author, except for achievements. They are much superior to modern ones. I will object and give a number of examples. But almost all of this is taken from the past. There was a political struggle. But at the same time a lot was created. My father, the son of a fist, said that by 1940 people began to live a human life. Then there was a political struggle, now there is a war of markets. Everyone wants to grab a bigger pie. Only under socialism can there be moderation in consumption. And that means caring for the next generation. Live for today, and then even a flood.
  • Alevil 10 March 2020 20: 10 New
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    In fact, the Soviet newspapers lying under the heel of the terrible Stalinist regime are lying. Stalin shot everyone, all earthlings, many many trillions of people. And now they need to put another memorial wall in Moscow on the Nemtsov bridge and erect a monument to Gorbachev, Solzhenitsyn and their son Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin on it.
    1. pmkemcity 11 March 2020 07: 06 New
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      Quote: Alevil
      In fact, the Soviet newspapers lying under the heel of the terrible Stalinist regime are lying. Stalin shot everyone, all earthlings, many many trillions of people. And now they need to put another memorial wall in Moscow on the Nemtsov bridge and erect a monument to Gorbachev, Solzhenitsyn and their son Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin on it.

      It would not be bad to erect monuments to all the comrades listed above, and to many more famous Novodvorsky, on that bridge. Closer to the pavement, so that passing cars would pour mud over them. And with liberals to do liberal things - you want to wash an idol, throw a hundred in a piggy bank! So it will be seen that longer is the memory of the "people", or a digital figure in a piece of paper.
      1. vladcub 11 March 2020 17: 51 New
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        “so that passing cars would pour mud over them” will not work: there is no dirt in the center of Moscow, but such a monument should be placed in the center.
        PS. I recalled the will of Malyuta Skuratov "" "to bury not at the cemetery, but at the wall of the Assumption Monastery, so that people would understand it with their feet
        1. pmkemcity 12 March 2020 05: 27 New
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          Quote: vladcub
          there is no dirt in the center of Moscow

          Let them bring us to Kemerovo. We have a lot of dirt. Here, a peculiar Mecca will be.
  • 3x3zsave 10 March 2020 21: 11 New
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    Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    In one of the photographs of newspaper pages, he noticed the replacement of the "hard sign" with an apostrophe. It became interesting, the reincarnation of this "initial letter" in Russian, the result of the reform of 1956, or in the printing house, at that time, the letter was not enough?
    1. kalibr 11 March 2020 06: 42 New
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      Good afternoon, Anton! I noticed that too. It occurs more than once. But I do not know!
  • Alexander Greene 10 March 2020 23: 30 New
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    Opinion about the article and the author
    A libel, he is also a libel in Africa - is ulcerative on every line. And he is so carried away that he doesn’t even understand that he gives himself out as a bad historian, who still hasn’t understood that when analyzing historical facts or events one should take into account the realities of that era, and not judge from the bell tower of present knowledge and not put that that at that time did not know yet, but we know today.

    A little illustration to what was said
    About the fact that the war began, that an act of aggression was committed by the fascist state, showing "its bestial nature", there is not a word

    And here is a very interesting message about the beginning of "hostile actions of Germany on the Polish border." Well, why not just write that Germany attacked Poland, that it committed an act of aggression, and not brand it as an arsonist of war. But since the Germans were "for us" then, such euphemisms were used


    Firstly, the author forgets that at that time fascism had not yet had time to show its true essence, which was fully known in the world only at the Nuremberg trials in 1946 ..
    Secondly, today we know that Germany provoked a war by the attack of criminals in Polish uniform on a German radio station, but then they did not know about it yet. Everyone knew that Poland was also an aggressor.
    Two aggressors quarrel. Why would the USSR interfere in their disassembly? For Stalin, it was important to gain time so that the USSR would not be drawn into the war before the rearmament of the army was completed.
    But all this does not exist for Shpakovsky, for him the main thing is to pour slops over the USSR, socialism and I.V. Stalin.

    Article minus.
    1. vladcub 12 March 2020 17: 45 New
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      I agree with you that Stalin sought to avoid war. The first thing that Stalin undertook was the resuscitation of the Entente, but the Entente 2 did not take place due to the obstinacy of the Polish government and Chamberlain's unwillingness to put pressure on Warsaw. As a result of their "wisdom" :: Glyaivets, but there was a special unit of SD (once read the materials of the Nuremberg trial). It’s only Rezun “Suvorov” and the historian “patriot” Miltyukhov are sure that Stalin dreamed of attacking Hitler day and night. Stalin just didn’t want a war. Now it’s known and the site already said that the Red Army was in 1939 not ready for war. Rearmament began
      1. Alexander Greene 12 March 2020 19: 04 New
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        Quote: vladcub
        I agree with you that Stalin sought to avoid war. The first thing that Stalin undertook was resuscitation of the Entente, but the Entente 2 did not take place.

        But I do not agree with you. Stalin did not try to revive the Entente. The Entente was an imperialist bloc whose purpose was to preserve and increase its colonies. Stalin, on the other hand, tried to create an anti-fascist front, and he succeeded. Even Poland later joined him ..
  • Icelord 12 March 2020 02: 47 New
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    Nda, but my father found Stalin born in 1936, and although he was a deputy minister in Soviet times. And after the collapse, there was only one factory and two factories, but I didn’t want to do something back and called Stalin a cannibal and I remember the 45th USSR, but I don’t even pull
    1. Alexander Greene 12 March 2020 19: 20 New
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      Quote: Icelord
      I didn’t want something and Stalin called a cannibal and I remember the 45th USSR, but I don’t pull

      And no wonder. As I understand it, your father was part of the administrative leadership of the USSR, which was reborn and contributed to the destruction of socialism and the USSR, apparently he also dreamed of his factory to pass on to you by inheritance, and you, judging by your biography, were part of the Soviet “golden” youth, or as “majors” are now called, continue to dream of an idle life in order to parasitize the working people, because you don’t want to go back, because under socialism everyone will have to work.
      1. kalibr 12 March 2020 21: 28 New
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        Quote: Alexander Green
        under socialism everyone will have to work.

        And before under socialism everyone worked, but they worked differently! Very different!
        1. Alexander Greene 12 March 2020 23: 17 New
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          Quote: kalibr
          And before under socialism everyone worked, but they worked differently! Very different!

          Are you offended by the major?
          1. kalibr 13 March 2020 08: 08 New
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            I do not like when distorted. What do you want to say that in the USSR there wasn’t that everyone worked differently, that one with a bipod, and seven with a spoon? A newspaper, where it is written about this before you. Body of the Central Committee of the CPB (b)
            1. Alexander Greene 13 March 2020 10: 17 New
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              Quote: kalibr
              I do not like when distorted.

              Nobody is distorting anything. Do you think that the minister’s son worked hard during Soviet times? I deeply doubt it, most likely I played a prank and together my daddy hoped to change the power for property. I don’t know if they succeeded or not. But he does not want to go back, because he understands that the dictatorship of the proletariat will be established, which, like him, will again force "to take a shovel and rake the snow drifts on the railway."
              1. kalibr 13 March 2020 10: 30 New
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                This is exactly what you think. That all people in a joyful outburst worked for the good of the USSR in one harness.
                1. Alexander Greene 13 March 2020 19: 49 New
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                  Quote: kalibr
                  This is exactly what you think. That all people in a joyful outburst worked for the good of the USSR in one harness.

                  I don’t think so, but they forced everyone.
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                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    but they forced everyone.

                    A slave, not a pilgrim! You can work, but you can pretend that you work!
                    1. Alexander Greene 14 March 2020 17: 11 New
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                      Quote: kalibr
                      A slave, not a pilgrim! You can work, but you can pretend that you work!

                      Nothing, the norm will be given, it will not be screwed.
              2. kalibr 14 March 2020 16: 38 New
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                Quote: Alexander Green
                But he does not want to go back, because he understands that the dictatorship of the proletariat will be established, which will make people like him again "pick up a shovel and rake the snow drifts on the railway."

                That's why he will not allow a repetition of the past. To the locksmith - to the locksmith, and to Caesar - to the caesarean. For example, we are PR people, even without spending a dime, we turn people around as we want, and even where a lot of money is spinning, where plants are being built and pipes are laid at the bottom ... they won’t allow another mob riot at all.
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                  Quote: kalibr
                  That's why he will not allow a repetition of the past.

                  Quote: kalibr
                  we are PR people, without even spending a dime, we turn people around as we want

                  Quote: kalibr
                  a lot of money is spinning, where plants are being built and laid at the bottom of the pipe ... there will not be allowed another mob riot at all.

                  Do not flatter yourself, you can’t argue against objective laws. The revolution will come and ask no one, and will reward everyone deservedly.
  • is-22 12 March 2020 16: 47 New
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    Somehow the 1952 newspaper caught my eye. It was interesting how the struggle against the enemies of the people was presented. Leafed through .. a column about sports. Feuilleton about the director of the collective farm, who continues to drag himself good and there is no government for him. And they told us something about the Stalinist horrors. It was of course, but here ..
  • Icelord 12 March 2020 23: 23 New
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    What can I say I have a factory and fa
    Yes, he sold briquettes; she gave one sister to the USA; she lives a second ex-wife
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    Quote: bistrov.
    It turns out that as early as 1940 there were many single-handed individuals (not members of collective farms). But what about the statement of today's “democrats" that everyone who did not want to join collective farms was dispossessed and stolen to Siberia back in the year 30? Problem ....

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    In 1974 in the annual agricultural production in the USSR, the share of personal farms amounted to: meat - 32%; milk - 32%; vegetable - 30%; wool - 20%; egg - 41%; potatoes - 64%. The journal "Man and the Law", 1978. No. 3, p. 78.
    And this is 57 years after 1917 ...