For the Su-57 created an intra-fuselage hypersonic missile

Reported on the creation of a special type of weapon for the Russian fighter of the 5th generation. This was reported by the TASS information service.

The materials of the agency contain information that we are talking about a hypersonic missile, which was developed by specialists of the domestic military-industrial complex.

It is noted that the rocket will be located in the internal compartment of the Su-57 fighter. In other words, this is an intra-fuselage version of the hypersonic weapons of a combat aircraft.

Additionally, it is said that the rocket has a relatively small size and belongs to the class of "air-surface".

At the moment, it is known that so far the prototype of a small-sized hypersonic missile has not passed flight tests with the Su-57 fighter. About any characteristics of the new weapons for the aircraft is not reported.

Recall that previously it was reported plans to equip the latest Russian fighter hypersonic weapons. Currently in aviation in service there is one hypersonic missile system. This is a “Dagger” with a MiG-31 carrier. No other country in the world has an army with hypersonic weapons.

Comments

[Thrall]

No specifics.

[xambo]

Quote: Thrall

No specifics.

It is classified and rightly so that they keep quiet .. And now there are curious "tovaischey" from one small but cunning country running ..)) ()

[Michael67]

Of course, no specifics. It’s good that they even said that. As a congratulation on February 23rd. Thanks! Good news. All involved with the holiday! Health, comrades!

[Spektr]

The bastards are and are already good. So far in the field of hypersound Russia is ahead of the rest. Now pops (Traitors to the Customs of the Ancestors from the near abroad) will come out of all the cracks and begin to minus the black. They usually fly in packs. I consider all AFU-shnikov and SBU-shik POP-s, who betrayed their relatives, grandfathers and great-grandfathers, for the smelly cookie.
Congratulations to all on the Defender of the Fatherland Day!
All but POPs.

[Vitaly gusin]

No other country in the world has an army with hypersonic weapons.

Quote: Xambo

.And now there are curious "tovaischey" from one small, but cunning country will flee ..)

Thanks to "tovaischey" from one small but technically advanced country, you may know TRUTH.
"Rampage is a highly accurate hypersonic air-to-ground missile long-range, designed to defeat the most important targets. ... The main characteristic feature of the "Rampage" is that it is launched from a long distance, while the aircraft does not need to enter the enemy air defense zone. The missile has a range of 150 kilometers, a length of 4,7 meters, and a warhead weight of 150 kilograms. The missile entered service in 2019. "

[helmi8]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

"Rampage is a long-range, high-precision, hypersonic air-to-ground missile,

If you copy the text, then do not correct it for your "wishes". Would have written more hyperlight ... In all sources

Rampage - Israeli supersonic air-to-surface missile ©

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: helmi8

Rampage - Israeli air-to-surface supersonic missile

Quote: helmi8

Rampage "- a high-precision hypersonic missile

I am not a specialist, and I am escaping a pronounced difference between "over" and "hyper", except for the linguistic one.

Fair.

[helmi8]

Quote: Vasyan1971

the difference between "over" and "hyper"

Supersonic is from 1230 to 6150 km / h, and hypersonic is from 6150 to 12300 km / h. There is also the so-called "fast hypersound" (12300-30740 km / h), but its combat missiles have not yet developed ©

[Vasyan1971]

I was told that hypersonic speed falls under the definition of supersonic, but not vice versa. AND consideredthat supersonic speed is a speed of 1M (one Mach), while hypersonic speed is usually called a speed of 5M. In short, "hyper" is "over-over".
In our world, too many and too often dissemble, therefore, without knowing the passport data, Rampage can be designated and accepted as "over" and "hyper". Therefore - do not quarrel over nonsense.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Vasyan1971

In our world, too many and too often dissemble, therefore, without knowing the passport data, Rampage can be designated and accepted as "over" and "hyper". Therefore - do not quarrel over nonsense

as if hypersound is also supersonic, only even "faster". But no one will indicate "supersonic" if the rocket can accelerate to 6M, for example .. In performance characteristics, it is customary to denote specifics.
Otherwise, you can simply write a warship without specifying its class - and go guess what it is, an aircraft carrier, a nuclear submarine or a missile boat

[novel66]

yeah! either a gun or a machine gun!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Gregory_45

as if hypersound is also supersonic, only even "faster".

Something like this?

Quote: Vasyan1971

In short, "hyper" is "over-over".

Quote: Gregory_45

Otherwise, you can simply write a warship without specifying its class - and go guess what it is, an aircraft carrier, a nuclear submarine or a missile boat

Here. And recently "Kuznetsov" was called "a steamer" and, when I focused on this, they almost threw mud at it.
Spit on the minuses.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Spit on the minuses.

cons are not mine

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Gregory_45

cons are not mine

This is not for you. It's me just in the air.

[fk7777777]

6 thousand km per hour is the speed of the satellite, so from 11 thousand km per hour an object can come off the planet earth and go into space ... Nu, what’s even cooler to take everyone down? ... The school teacher was taught how the Balts rushed to bring down the Roman empire, well, there the arrows painted on the map, such as a bunch of marginals stormed the whole of Europe, the most pinned how they captured London, and through Spain they turned to Morocco, turned 90 degrees and, through the sea, took Rome. Or the level of civilization was not the one that we were being rubbed back then.

[1976AG]

Quote: fk7777777

6 thousand km per hour is the speed of the satellite, so from 11 thousand km per hour an object can come off the planet earth and go into space ... Nu, what’s even cooler to take everyone down? ... The school teacher was taught how the Balts rushed to bring down the Roman empire, well, there the arrows painted on the map, such as a bunch of marginals stormed the whole of Europe, the most pinned how they captured London, and through Spain they turned to Morocco, turned 90 degrees and, through the sea, took Rome. Or the level of civilization was not the one that we were being rubbed back then.

When will you stop lying? Satellite speed not less than 7, 91 km / s or more than 28000 km / h

[Private-K]

We are talking about well-established TERMS. And the term has an established CONCEPT expressed in this case, the tangible / recorded PHYSICAL value - speed.
If you are a bad "poet" (tm), then you don't give a damn about that. There are plenty of them. But a good poet, a correct one, is simply obliged to FEEL the physical difference without even understanding the mathematical expression of quantities.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Private-K

If you are a bad "poet" (tm), then you don't give a damn about that.

Well, first of all, the "bad poet" does not care what other imputed "good" poets think of him.
And if it concerns me, then I repeat:

Quote: Vasyan1971

I am not a specialist, and I am escaping a pronounced difference between "over" and "hyper", except for the linguistic one.

And your "vumnichnie" nothing changed for me.

Quote: Private-K

But a good poet, right, is simply obligated

I simply must notify you that I personally am not obliged, especially to you.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Rampage can be designated and accepted as "over" and "hyper". Therefore - do not quarrel over nonsense.

100% +1

[Operator]

The humpbacked Rampage with protruding suspension units and front (sic!) Plumage is nothing more than the next supersonic offspring of the MARS rocket

To hypersound Rampage like to the moon.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Operator

nothing more than another supersonic offspring of the MARS rocket

A dagger is an iskander

This is another modification of MARS and Rampage.
DO NOT EXPERIENCE

[Operator]

You can distinguish the word Rocks from the word Rampage?

[Operator]

Enlighten - Rocks ballistic missile (Black Sparrow offspring) in the center photo

Hello to AMAN

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Operator

Hello to AMAN

Required.
And you, Igor Konashenkov.

[helmi8]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Rampage can be designated and accepted as "over" and "hyper". Therefore - do not quarrel over nonsense.

By your logic, everything that moves at a speed of more than 1300 m / s can already be called hyper-fast ... Applause.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: helmi8

Applause.

Thank you.

Quote: helmi8

can be called hyper speed

And who, in fact, is bothering you?

Quote: Vasyan1971

I am not a specialist, and I am escaping a pronounced difference between "over" and "hyper", except for the linguistic one.

What is the matter? What are the claims? For what purpose?

[helmi8]

Quote: Vasyan1971

What is the matter? What are the claims? For what purpose?

Yes, no claim ... More - outrage. This is another matter. You yourself write that you are not an expert. So you do not need to distribute fakes. After all, besides you, there are still not specialists on the site who will begin to distribute your posts, passing them off as truth ...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: helmi8

So you do not need to distribute fakes.

Come on! What fakes, specifically? What can be out

Quote: Vasyan1971

I am not a specialist, and I am escaping a pronounced difference between "over" and "hyper", except for the linguistic one.

Fair.

to impersonate as truth? How about your adequacy?

[lucul]

I am not a specialist, and I am escaping a pronounced difference between "over" and "hyper", except for the linguistic one.

Great and powerful Russian language ..... There is such a thing - polysemous words. For example, a crest is also a crest of a wave, this is a comb, this is a cock comb, this is a crest of a rock, etc. It seems to be the same word, but the meanings are different ...
Or for example, different synonyms for the word big - it’s too big, it’s huge, it’s huge, it’s giant, it’s colossal and all these are different degrees of the word’s size.
Therefore, it is not necessary here to include your Jewish logic and try to make a fly out of an elephant. We met your hutspa more than 1 years ago ....

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: lucul

We met your hutspa more than 1 years ago ....

Following his own anti-Semitic logic, some indistinct anonymous character with a claim to the "high" title of a troll and self-appointed plural is trying to call me a Jew absolutely unreasonably? Where did you burn it, poor thing? Don't answer, though. Just anoint with sour cream - they say it helps.

[lucul]

Where did you get burned, poor thing?

Aha ahah
I have long known that you are projecting your thoughts and feelings onto others)))
The more often you write this - the juicier I feel your throwing ....
Aha-ahah ...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: lucul

Aha ahah

Similarly, only three times as long.

[lucul]

Similarly, only three times as long.

Yes, even at 20, otherwise I did not argue with women, and I do not know their verbal tricks, huh))))

[Vasyan1971]

ABOUT! I am no longer a Jew, but a Jew!
Drive around the clock, buy sour cream.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Vasyan1971

I am not a specialist, and I am escaping a pronounced difference between "over" and "hyper", except for the linguistic one.

therefore, technical terms are specific.
Of course, from the point of view of the Russian language, words, for example, overactivity and hyperactivity are synonymous words. But not with the technical one.
To describe the speed of the aircraft, the number M is accepted - the Mach number, which means the speed of sound (in our case, in the atmosphere). Aircraft that can fly at speeds above 1M are supersonic. Aircraft that can accelerate and maintain a speed of 5M (5 speeds of sound) and above are hypersonic.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Gregory_45

therefore, technical terms are specific.

Well, that's what I say: "Not an expert."
Don't give a damn about the "cons".

[Spektr]

In fact, knowledge is labeling: leaflet, flower, ... over .., hyper .., duper ... This is the language of accepted conventions. Whoever has the most garbage in his head argues the most. Once they said that the radio does not cost a tank, that’s it, no semiconductors ... And supersonic and hypersonic missiles are a very big difference. Somewhere like that.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Spectrum

And supersonic and hypersonic missiles are a very big difference.

Probably. But I think that there is not much difference: they will break my head with a standard pipe or titanium. For me.
There is a difference for customers, performers and intermediaries. Well, except for boring riveters.

[Spektr]

The difference is that which one is guaranteed to reach the target and the chances of a hypersonic are an order of magnitude, or maybe several orders of magnitude, greater than that of a supersonic one.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Spectrum

The difference is that which one is guaranteed to reach the target

It's like "lucky". There are also a lot of accompanying factors. Therefore, I still don't see the difference. There is a difference, I agree, between those planning an attack and preparing to defend themselves. I am not one of those or others. And you?

[Spektr]

So far, mankind has not come up with anything against hypersound. And once the rocket flies, enveloped in plasma. then no electronic warfare will help. A maneuvering meteorite flies to the target and "EVERYTHING" - have time to pray.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Spectrum

So far, mankind has come up with nothing against hypersound.

The key word is bye. Do you really think that the "maneuvering meteorite" will arrive (to us, not to us) tomorrow? Since the beginning of the Cold War, how many wunderwaffles and counter-wunderwaves have been invented and never used? I sincerely hope that this time will be the same.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

And supersonic and hypersonic missiles are a very big difference ...... But I think that there is not much difference: (Vasyan) .... there is sooo big, supersonic is all that is above 334 m per second (plus minus the air environment), hypersound in dynamics is a phenomenon in which the speed of a sound wave a substance turns into a fourth state of aggregation — into a plasma, this phenomenon occurs at speeds of matter from 2000 meters per second (low-temperature plasma) and further higher, total business then, the question is different, how to prevent matter at such speeds ratitsya in plasma

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

hypersound in dynamics is a phenomenon in which the speed of a sound wave, a substance turns into a fourth state of aggregation-in plasma

This is another matter. A popular explanation for noobs (including me). Short, easy to understand and polite. Not that other louts. Thank!
Let me take this opportunity to ask you another question: how do the terms "supersonic" and "hypersonic" sound like? And then I recently encountered "protective protection". Butter oil type. And in English it will not happen so clumsily - "Sacrificial protection".
Thanks again.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

And then I recently encountered "protective protection". Butter oil type. And in English it will not happen so clumsily - "Sacrificial protection" ..... as if in English it is not strong, but the tread oil is, in principle, an additive in the oil, for example, there is an additive to the oil remmetalic, pretty good weight. Well, perhaps the most heard XADO, to speak, did not feel it. but experienced people say that XADO can be poured if the engine or the transsmisiya started to drive the shavings. that is, you can practically throw it away, here hado for some time with its ceramics prolongs the life of the "dead"

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

tread oil is

Not. "Protective protection" is something related to the electro-chemical protection of ship hulls, pipelines, etc. from corrosion. The point is that "protective" = "protective". And it turns out that "protective protection" = "protective protection". Within the meaning - "butter oil".

Quote: Vasyan1971

And in English it sounds not so clumsy - "Sacrificial protection".

However, okay, do not bother with my muddies.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Don't give a damn about the "cons".

And this is in vain.
I have them -70000 and I translate them into the amount we will all cut through and destroy the caps
And ALL REAL WARRIORS AND PATRIOTS WITH A HOLIDAY!

[fk7777777]

In short, the speed is 500 m, in the rocket bay, this is the last century ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Gregory_45

Aircraft that can fly at speeds above 1M are supersonic. Aircraft that can accelerate and maintain a speed of 5M (5 speeds of sound) and above are hypersonic.

You're right. Non-technical issues are discussed here. How to get rid of WEAVENSwhen the word ISRAEL appears. AND ITS MODERN ,. ADVANCED ACHIEVEMENTS.
HAPPY HOLIDAY!

[lucul]

You're right. Non-technical issues are discussed here. And how to get rid of TOAD when the word ISRAEL appears. AND ITS MODERN ,. ADVANCED ACHIEVEMENTS.

You are absolutely right .... only you replaced the word Russia with the word Israel)))

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: helmi8

If you copy the text, then do not correct it for your "wishes". Would have written another hyperlight ... In all sources

1 I, like you. I take information from the media.
https://detaly.co.il/zarubezhnye-smi-izrail-primenil-v-sirii-rakety-preodolevayushhie-s-300/
2 Hypersonic rocket, this pun. More than 12300 km / h in airspace it's hypersound
The dagger develops 10 MAX at an altitude of 12-15 thousand meters. out of the atmosphere The flight of the rocket takes place at the border of the stratosphere in order to avoid significant air resistance. And if the flight occurred in dense layers of the atmosphere, it would be no more than 5-6
3 Of all the carriers, this is only the last modernization and in not large Catholicism, the MiG-31K. Which cannot be an interceptor after the alteration.
4 And if the flight took place in dense layers of the atmosphere, then the speed would be the same 5-6MAX
which “Rampage” has, plus many more other ultra-modern additives and has been used in combat conditions.
The carriers are any aircraft of the 4th and 4th generation and there are those who want to buy.
Development is underway for the F-35

[1976AG]

Hypersonic speed from 5 Machs and higher is considered to be. Where did you get 12000 km / h is unclear.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: 1976AG

Where did you get 12000 km / h is unclear.

Rights clerical BEFORE 12300 km / h.
Sorry
At the speeds that they are capable of developing. Supersound is from 1230 to 6150 km / h, а hypersound - from 6150 to 12300 km / h... There is also the so-called "fast hypersound" (12300-30740 km / h), but it is precisely combat missiles that have not yet been developed.

[1976AG]

When talking about the speed of sound, the exact numbers usually do not indicate, since they are different for different heights

[Crimean partisan 1974]

And if the flight took place in dense layers of the atmosphere, then the speed would be the same 5-6MAX
which “Rampage” has ....... if you believe the official sources, the speed of the renovations almost falls short of the speed of sound, that is, just 320 m per second, approximately like a grenade launcher and in no way can it be 5-6M, so who lies you or the marketing and business development director of the MALAM group of the IAI concern Amit Khaimovich ??? that's why for some reason I crept in that you're lying vitalik

[Concept1]

"The Rampage is a highly accurate hypersonic air-to-ground missile.
"Rampage" is an over sound rocket.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Rampage is a high-precision long-range hypersonic missile of the air-ground class

Rampage - Israeli supersonic air-to-surface missile with a range of up to 150 km. Max. speed - up to 3M (exact values ​​are not known), dives onto the target at a speed of up to 550 m / s (up to 2000 km / h). Where is the hypersonic rocket ???

[Mestny]

In Jewish fantasies on the theme "Anything these Russians have invented - we have had it for a long time and better."
They then for a long time, with difficulty the whole world prove that this is a Jewish lie. They even sometimes agree. More precisely, they drift into the bushes as usual in the case of a hint of loss.
But the sediment then remains. What was required

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Mestny

In Jewish fantasies on the theme "Whatever these Russians have invented - we have had it for a long time and better"

https://www.mil.by/ru/news/84804/
https://lenta.ru/news/2019/02/25/rocks/
Israel showed its SECOND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!"Dagger"
In Jewish fantasies on the theme "Anything these Russians have invented - we have had it for a long time and better."
Where are the fantasies?
10 MIG-31 with "Daggers" or 465 F-15, F-16? Which can take 1860 missiles

Quote: Mestny

More precisely, they drift into the bushes as usual in the case of a hint of loss.
But the sediment then remains. What was required

NO OBJECTION

[Mestny]

Yes, what are the objections.
To argue with you - a pound of salt should be devoured. It's easier to spit and wave your hand.
This site is still Russian. And it discusses Russian achievements ..
Not Jewish or American.

[Vitaly gusin]

Read, Shura, read!

[aszzz888]

Mestny (Sergey) February 23, 2020 18:40
+6
Yes, what are the objections.
To argue with you - a pound of salt should be devoured. It's easier to spit and wave your hand.
This site is still Russian. And it discusses Russian achievements ..
Not Jewish or American.

Sergei! I ask you, do not rush about the bisser before ..., well, you yourself know before whom, or rather before WHAT. It is not worth it. It wound up here, and gets his own, to put it mildly, EuGeian achievements)) May it be exiled in Israel. Yours faithfully!

[lucul]

465 F-15, F-16? Which can take 1860 missiles

Aha-ahah and with a range of 150 km))))
What will you do with this 150 km? ))))
When does the enemy have more long-range missiles? )))

[Vitaly gusin]

This is another topic.
I wrote about two Israeli "daggers".
And about the duration of the defeat, let's talk another time.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

This is another topic.
I wrote about two Israeli "daggers".
And about the duration of the defeat, let's talk another time.

Your Israeli "daggers" are inferior in range to missiles with a similar speed (up to Mach 3), which are in service with the VKS Kh-31PD (260 km). There, the missile warhead is also 150 kg. I'm not talking about comparing the Mach 10 missile medium-range (up to 2000 km) with tactical supersonic Israeli counterparts of our Kh-31PD is complete nonsense.

[Sky strike fighter]

And if you dig deeper, then this is what happens.

The Rampage solid-fuel rocket has a mass of 570 kg, the warhead with a mass of 120 kg can be of two types - penetrating high-explosive (for attacking concrete shelters and protected objects) and high-explosive fragmentation (for ground weakly protected targets). The launch range is 150 km, the speed is 1096 km / h (0,95 Mach numbers), and the CVO is 10 meters. A combined inertial-satellite satellite with the addition of a GPS anti-jamming system is used as a guidance system. The flight to the target Rampage carries out on an aeroballistic trajectory, which can be adjusted according to the ANN and GPS-receiver.
If you look at the history of the creation of this rocket, it turns out that it was created on the basis of the MARS (Multi-Purpose, Air-Launched Rocket System) adjustable rocket by the Israeli company IMI Systems. In February 2012, at an exhibition in Singapore, IMI Systems showed it as an adjustable munition based on the EXTRA (Extended Range Artillery) MLRS rocket of 306 mm caliber (mass 450 kg, range 30-150 km, warhead 120 kg, INS + GPS, KVO 10 m). Coincidence? I don’t think so.
In the bottom line, we have an air-launched MLRS missile, to which we added a GPS protection block from interceptions.

https://rg.ru/2019/04/20/iarost-cenoiu-v-shekel-izrailskaia-raketa-ne-obmanet-sistemy-pvo-rf.html

[Sky strike fighter]

And if you dig deeper, then this is what happens.

The Rampage solid-fuel rocket has a mass of 570 kg, the warhead with a mass of 120 kg can be of two types - penetrating high-explosive (for attacking concrete shelters and protected objects) and high-explosive fragmentation (for ground weakly protected targets). The launch range is 150 km, the speed is 1096 km / h (0,95 Mach numbers), and the CVO is 10 meters. A combined inertial-satellite satellite with the addition of a GPS anti-jamming system is used as a guidance system. The flight to the target Rampage carries out on an aeroballistic trajectory, which can be adjusted according to the ANN and GPS-receiver.
If you look at the history of the creation of this rocket, it turns out that it was created on the basis of the MARS (Multi-Purpose, Air-Launched Rocket System) adjustable rocket by the Israeli company IMI Systems. In February 2012, at an exhibition in Singapore, IMI Systems showed it as an adjustable munition based on the EXTRA (Extended Range Artillery) MLRS rocket of 306 mm caliber (mass 450 kg, range 30-150 km, warhead 120 kg, INS + GPS, KVO 10 m). Coincidence? I don’t think so.
In the bottom line, we have an air-launched MLRS missile, to which we added a GPS protection block from interceptions.

https://rg.ru/2019/04/20/iarost-cenoiu-v-shekel-izrailskaia-raketa-ne-obmanet-sistemy-pvo-rf.html

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Rampage is a high-precision long-range hypersonic missile of the air-ground class

Rampage - Israeli supersonic air-to-surface missile with a range of up to 150 km. Max. speed - up to 3M (exact values ​​are not known), dives onto the target at a speed of up to 550 m / s (up to 2000 km / h). Where is the hypersonic rocket ???

And if you dig deeper, then this is what happens.

The Rampage solid-fuel rocket has a mass of 570 kg, the warhead with a mass of 120 kg can be of two types - penetrating high-explosive (for attacking concrete shelters and protected objects) and high-explosive fragmentation (for ground weakly protected targets). The launch range is 150 km, the speed is 1096 km / h (0,95 Mach numbers), and the CVO is 10 meters. A combined inertial-satellite satellite with the addition of a GPS anti-jamming system is used as a guidance system. The flight to the target Rampage carries out on an aeroballistic trajectory, which can be adjusted according to the ANN and GPS-receiver.
If you look at the history of the creation of this rocket, it turns out that it was created on the basis of the MARS (Multi-Purpose, Air-Launched Rocket System) adjustable rocket by the Israeli company IMI Systems. In February 2012, at an exhibition in Singapore, IMI Systems showed it as an adjustable munition based on the EXTRA (Extended Range Artillery) MLRS rocket of 306 mm caliber (mass 450 kg, range 30-150 km, warhead 120 kg, INS + GPS, KVO 10 m). Coincidence? I don’t think so.
In the bottom line, we have an air-launched MLRS missile, to which we added a GPS protection block from interceptions.

https://rg.ru/2019/04/20/iarost-cenoiu-v-shekel-izrailskaia-raketa-ne-obmanet-sistemy-pvo-rf.html

[Imperial Technocrat]

Supersonic, not hypersonic

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

"Rampage is a long-range, high-precision, hypersonic air-to-ground missile.

Since when did a rocket flying at 700 m / s, that is, a little more than 2 max, become hypersonic? Ale, expert!
Hypersound begins with 5 max, miracle.
Second ... from which hangover did you attribute this product to long-range missiles? 150 km on a stationary target is super long range?
The Jews sculpted this missile in the hope of somehow fighting the Russian air defense systems and its main feature is stealth. But however, when using it against our complexes in Syria, most of them were intercepted ..

Judging by the results of applying Rampage, its effectiveness was low. Her strike was successfully repelled by anti-aircraft missile systems available to the Syrian army. Moreover, only a small part of them reached the goal, most of the missiles were shot down in the air

This rubbish is not something that can not be called a new weapon, but also to rank it as something quite effective too.
And this product is mounted on the external nodes of the suspension, in contrast to the internal fuselage rocket and much more compact.
As for the rocket, which is mentioned in the article, it is not known on which section it accelerates to hypersound and along which path it goes to the target. Second ... what is its range, if we take into account the radius of target acquisition by air defense systems. That is, the radius of action missiles should be no less than one and a half times, or even two times the radius of action of air defense systems, otherwise there is no sense, since the fighter must be protected from return fire from air defense systems. And if so, then the range of this missile should be approximately 300-500 km.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Xambo

It is classified and rightly so that they keep quiet .. And now there are curious "tovaischey" from one small but cunning country running away ..

The best option is when they learn about a new weapon only after its practical application. But it is not customary to devote the latest weapons of various "partners" to the technical specifications - this is not to be "measured" ...

[Mestny]

Not always.
There is also the informational part of the war. Here, for example, the US Army is acting quite the opposite - at all angles it is touting its future weapons. At the same time, no one will call her weak.

[KCA]

Was there any specifics on the latest weapons, especially on missiles? The exact data is provided for export samples, but hypersound for export will not work for ten years.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: KCA

The exact data is given for export samples, but hypersound for export for ten years will definitely not go

You shouldn’t be so! By golly, in vain ...

Partners do not want to buy. They are offered, but they in no way ...

[Vlad5307]

Putin so hesitated with a serious look over the military-industrial complex of the FSA, and that’s all, and you so naively believed the seriousness of his proposal.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Vlad5307

and you so naively believed in the seriousness of his proposal.

Judging by the inserted emoticon: you could understand my banter ...

[Vlad5307]

Sorry, laughed - the smile did not notice. Happy Holiday!

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Vlad5307

and you so naively believed in the seriousness of his proposal.

Yes, he, as you say, hesitated, only for some reason you took his banter seriously

[Thrifty]

Thrall - you like to watch so when it’s pouring past you, at least take a photo for memory

[Evil543]

But how to take a picture of it, is it intra-fuselage?

[Thrifty]

Evil543 -Let him ask her to be launched, take a picture, and the plane will drive the rocket back into the weapons compartment-through the blue whistle 3 times in a row!

[Evil543]

If so then yes

[cost]

Thrifty: Thrall - you like to watch so when it flies past you, at least take a photo for memory :

Better yet, take a selfie

[aszzz888]

Thrall Today, 09: 00
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No specifics.

I think it's too early to talk about any "specifics" of the new missile, because it is classified. The time will come to find out.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: aszzz888

I think it's too early to talk about any "specifics" of the new missile, because it is classified. The time will come to find out.

Do not forget the practice of Soviet times. The enemy learned about new developments when the designers mastered the latest designs.
With regard to weapons for the Russian Armed Forces there should not be any specifics at all, because - "not hell" ...

[aszzz888]

ROSS 42 (Yuri Vasilievich) Today, 10:55
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Quote: aszzz888
I think it's too early to talk about any "specifics" of the new missile, because it is classified. The time will come to find out.

Do not forget the practice of Soviet times. The enemy learned about new developments when the designers mastered the latest designs.
With regard to weapons for the Russian Armed Forces, there should not be any specifics at all, because - “not hell” ... laughing

Here I am for ensuring that this does not happen now.

[Winnie76]

Quote: ROSS 42

With regard to weapons for the Russian Armed Forces there should not be any specifics at all, because - "not hell" ...

But what about export? We have such a rocket, but we won’t tell about it. Oh, got it. It is necessary to throw junk into the market. T 55 or Mig21. Here we will conquer the whole market. That's where our military-industrial complex in chocolate with his head

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: aszzz888

I think it's too early to talk about any "specifics" of the new missile, because it is classified. The time will come to find out.

It's not about secrecy. They will be adopted. you can tell - accepted for service ... hereinafter, that's it, period. And no specifics. we don't need her.
And to report that is developed, but not tested, why? Why this information trash?

[aszzz888]

Krasnoyarsk Yesterday, 14:18
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Quote: aszzz888
I think it's too early to talk about any "specifics" of the new missile, because it is classified. The time will come to find out.

It's not about secrecy. They will be adopted. you can tell - accepted for service ... hereinafter, that's it, period. And no specifics. we don't need her.
And to report that is developed, but not tested, why? Why this information trash?

I do not consider such information to be "rubbish". Useful for general development ... yes, and not everything in the world is only white and black.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: aszzz888

Good for general development ... yes,

I see how your intelligence has developed after reading the information that the rocket is there, though it has not yet been tested.
I directly envy your success in development.

[aszzz888]

Krasnoyarsk Today, 11:15 AM NEW
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Quote: aszzz888
Good for general development ... yes,

I see how your intelligence has developed after reading the information that the rocket is there, though it has not yet been tested.
Straight I envy Your success in development.

Envy is a bad feeling. And for my intellect, please do not worry - he is quite satisfied with ME.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: aszzz888

And for my intellect, please do not worry - he is quite satisfied with ME.

Yes, who would doubt it.

[aszzz888]

Krasnoyarsk Yesterday, 11:42
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Quote: aszzz888
And for my intellect, please do not worry - he is quite satisfied with ME.

Yes, who would doubt it. hi

And your doubts don't interest me.

[Ros 56]

Nobody canceled military secrets.

[Vol4ara]

It used to be "nano", now "hyper". They pop everywhere

[bessmertniy]

The main thing is that the rocket will be, and the role of the SU-57 will grow significantly.

[svp67]

Quote: Thrall

No specifics.

But why?
Class: "air-to-surface"
Speed: Hypersonic
Dimensions: can be placed in the internal compartments of the SU-57, significantly less than the "Dagger"
Considering that they plan to make the SU-57 inconspicuous, it is clear that this type of missile will prove to be very useful for destroying air defense systems and systems, as well as the enemy’s CP.

[lucul]

it is clear that this type of missile will be very useful for destroying air defense systems and systems, as well as enemy CP.

Yes against enemy radars / air defense - yes with a flight range of, say, 500 km - just perfect)))

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Thrall

No specifics.

= Not yet passed flight tests =
The chicken is still in the nest, and the testicle .....
But she, unlike ..., still does not cackle. Here is someone to take an example from.

[smile]

Thrall
right ......
But....
Outstanding T64 tank - from the moment of the driving prototype until adoption - 14 years ....
from the moment the Raptor took off - until it was put into service and mass production - 14 years ....
f 35 - from the moment of take-off to mass production - 13 years .....
our fifth-generation fighter has already begun to be mass-produced - even though the first ship was broken ... - but time is ten years ....
tattered Armata - also ten years - faster than in the USSR - in any case - faster than the revolutionary t64 - I want to hear those who often talk about overdue ... polymers - why real Russia should be less successful than the USSR, Or let spiteful comrades will explain - why the hell, they, all such oppositionists, criticizing the armature and SU 57, forget that we have such a technique, that our enemies take about the same number of years before the introduction ... yeah ours, the campaign is even faster, but why are the Xspurds unhappy? :))))

[Salty]

Quote: smile

Why are the Xspurds unhappy?

Options: 1 - do not know the subject, 2 - really do not like today's Russia. Linear combinations 1 and 2 are possible)))

[V.I.P.]

Well, let's see when this rocket will undergo state tests, when it will be put into service, when they will start to purchase and how many pieces will be bought ... And it can, like the majority of new products only for exhibitions and parades)))) .....

[Thrifty]

VIP-rocket in the parade will go under its own power? And, at what exhibition will the secret product be shown to you, and even TTX will it be published? ????

[bars1]

It is quite possible to show it in a TV story. Take the secret Vanguard planning block, for example. It is possible to show it to American representatives, but to the citizens of the Russian Federation, you can see the secrecy! Not fair.

[fk7777777]

Yes, you can, let them look in the window, maybe they will see ...

[Warrior MorePhoto]

I hope that they will be there a couple)

[bars1]

Again, probably aeroballistic. But everyone is waiting for the scramjet. A hypersonic rocket in the classical sense.

[bars1]

Why put two minuses ?!

[Mountain shooter]

In order not to "wait for the scramjet engine ..." The difference in these engines is only in the fuel supply ... From the point of view of combat qualities, this only affects the RANGE. However, it should be noted that Russian chemists on solid fuels have clearly made a "breakthrough". The range of many small-sized missiles has increased significantly. Especially in air defense. So, if we are talking about tactical hypersonic missiles - IMHO, it is not very important which engine the HYPERSONIC missile has. It is important that it flies at hypersonic speed.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

So as not to "wait for the scramjet engine ..." The difference in these engines is only in the fuel supply ... From the point of view of combat qualities, this only affects the RANGE

not only at range, but also at speed. And on the ability to perform maneuvers.
In order to maintain speed (and especially in the final section, for the high probability of a successful air defense / missile breakout), the engine operating time should be long (and not like Iskander or Dagger acceleration and flight along a ballistic trajectory by inertia) - almost before the rocket hits the int. This is a motor way to maintain hypersonic speed. So far, all experiments in this area have ended in failure. So far in service - aeroballistic missiles. And for this you put an opponent a minus? Or to yourself, for not understanding the topic?

Quote: Mountain Shooter

It is important that it flies at hypersonic speed

It is important that it flies most of the trajectory at this speed, and not in a short active section.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Gregory_45

It is important that it flies most of the trajectory at this speed, and not in a short active section.

And how fast is the Iskander warhead approaching its target? With the engine off?
How many M? Therefore - no need to exaggerate ... Yes, and turbojet engines can now set dual-mode ... For which the operating time is long. And in general, I am glad to meet a specialist in hypersonic weapons ... I have always liked the ability of "partners" to deduce the achievements of the military-industrial complex with the help of manipulations with terminology ... Hypersonic missiles are not ammunition with speeds of more than 5 M ... only with scramjet !!! From the point of view of the PURPOSE - is there a difference?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And how fast is the Iskander warhead approaching its target?

The IS velocity of the Iskander complex at the target is 700-800 m / s

Quote: Mountain Shooter

On an idle engine?

of course. Fuel has long been burned out, a rocket flies along a ballistic trajectory.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Therefore - do not exaggerate

I brought you the well-known Iskander for the complex, in the part in which you requested. Therefore, the claim is not to me, but to the developers.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Hypersonic missiles are not ammunition with speeds of more than 5 M ... But only with the scramjet !!! In terms of GOALS - is there a difference?

terminology must be applied correctly. The Iskander complex has ballistic missiles, the Dagger has aeroballistic missiles. Both are not hypersonic, although at the end of the active section they have such a speed. Nobody calls hypersonic anti-aircraft missiles of the same S-300/400, although at the end of the march section some types of SAMs have a speed of more than 5M.

For the purpose - also matters. Which rocket is harder to intercept - one that goes at a speed of 2600 km / h, or one that goes at 6000 km / h? I think so. The answer is obvious.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Gregory_45

For the purpose - also matters. Which rocket is harder to intercept - one that goes at a speed of 2600 km / h, or one that goes at 60000 km / h? I think so. The answer is obvious.

I think an important parameter is the time that the approaching ammunition leaves the air defense system to defeat itself. Not the absolute speed of the target ammunition. Is the extra second another? Yes, and our dispute is very "theoretical" ... If the Iskander missiles are practically not hit by military air defense, then why is the Dagger worse? And whether or not there is a scramjet on the Zircons - I repeat, from the point of view of the PURPOSE, it is practically all the same.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

I believe an important parameter is the time that the approaching ammunition leaves to the air defense system for its defeat. And not the absolute velocity of the ammunition at the target.

so there’s a direct relationship - the higher the speed (all other things being equal), the less time the enemy has to react
And one more nuance - the higher the target’s speed, the fewer means of destruction the enemy possesses (if he has anything at all), capable of intercepting (destroying) a hypersonic object

[fk7777777]

How long is it ?, the operating time of the engine of a simple anti-ship missile is only 5 hours, and taking into account that it is checked before launch and stored in warehouses, everything is possible, and even more so, it is checked (included) when it is received and delivered to the warehouse. So ..., only you can take a word for it ....

[lucul]

However, it should be noted that Russian chemists on solid fuels have clearly made a "breakthrough".

So it is ... we sent the "Soviet" chemists who slowed down this direction in the USSR to Israel in 1991. And our home-grown Russian chemists were finally able to close the gap.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: lucul

So it is ... we sent the "Soviet" chemists who slowed down this direction in the USSR to Israel in 1991. And our home-grown Russian chemists were finally able to close the gap.

And that's why the new "Verba" (MANPADS, if anyone does not know) has an altitude reach of 5 km, unlike the "Needle", with 3.5 ... probably, not everyone left for Israel? Or have new ones started up?

[Voyager]

For the fact that this "classical understanding" has not yet been formed in the absence of real examples.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: bars1

Again, probably aeroballistic.

as an option - a modern version of the X-15

[Jurkovs]

Such a missile makes sense to destroy only the radar and air defense positions.

[bars1]

Jurkovsjustify, please.

[Jurkovs]

They don’t even shoot at the sparrows.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Jurkovs

Such a missile makes sense to destroy only the radar and air defense positions.

Can a “boat” be sunk in the sea?

[fk7777777]

Do you think the maxim machine gun is enough for such purposes? ...

[Whalebone]

The main thing in propaganda is to use the word "hypersound" more often. The huracans are quickly excited and waving their leaky underwear, and the "partners" are in awe and fear. The goal has been achieved. You can go to eat at a restaurant. Belarusian lobsters and Moldavian brut.

[nnz226]

Why shake the air in vain ??? The rocket has been created! Created - this is when it is adopted! And so - just according to the proverb: "The chicken is on the roost, the eggs are in the tail, and now they are selling chickens in the market!"

[Operator]

The length of the Su-57's internal weapons bays is about 4 meters, so the launch weight of an air-to-ground missile can be estimated at 400 kg. The rocket is equipped with a solid propellant engine, which by the time of fuel burnout provides a hypersonic speed of ~ 6M (6400 km / h), after which the rocket flies by inertia with a drop in speed to supersonic> 5M.

When the rocket moves from hypersound to supersonic, an active radar seeker is switched on, which provides homing to the target. Additionally, the rocket can homing on a source of radio emission such as a radar.

[Incvizitor]

If only they could write a range, it’s interesting after all ...

[Old26]

Quote: Gregory_45

It is important that it flies most of the trajectory at this speed, and not in a short active section.

It is still unknown what part of the trajectory will be at this speed. BОless or less. Most likely smaller. And most likely it will be a rocket with a conventional rocket engine

[Alexey from Perm]

10 years will pass, after which it is possible and will be adopted. The military review is similar in its propaganda impulse to the sayings of a fascist moron.

[what's up]

How much do they pay for such nonsense on the site? Need specifics in letters and numbers! Block the admins of such bloggers.

[Vitaly gusin]

https://www.mil.by/ru/news/84804/
https://lenta.ru/news/2019/02/25/rocks/
Israel showed its SECOND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!"Dagger"
01.03.2019
The Israeli military-industrial company Rafael Advanced Defense Systems presented the Rocks aeroballistic missile during the Aero India exhibition, held from February 20 to 24 in Bangalore, India, according to Jane's 360.
The British edition notes that the weapon has received a solid fuel engine, satellite and inertial navigation systems, as well as electro-optical and infrared guidance systems at the terminal site. A feature of a single-stage air-to-ground missile is the ability to operate in jamming conditions of the GPS signal.
Rocks, which received a penetrating or high-explosive fragmentation warhead, was tested on the fourth-generation Israeli fighter F-16I Sufa, which is capable of carrying up to four of these missiles. Detailed weapon characteristics are not reported.
In June 2018, Israeli companies IMI (Israel Military Industries) and IAI (Israel Aerospace Industries) announced on the creation of a supersonic air-to-surface missile Rampage. It was noted that the missile range is 150 kilometers, the length is 4,7 meters, the mass of the warhead is 150 kilograms. The missile should enter service in 2019.
Currently, Russia, China and Israel possess aeroballistic missiles. In particular, the first one has the "Dagger" complex, first presented by the President of the country Vladimir Putin in March 2018.
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[what's up]

And now with the holiday ...

[petrol cutter]

What specifics are there? About such things generally need to be silent fiercely. People are engaged, and let them be engaged. May God give them health.

[lvov_aleksey]

no specifics needed, I'm happy for our military commissar ....