Resumed construction of a training helicopter carrier for the Russian Navy


In Gorodets, the Ship Repairing and Shipbuilding Company (CCM) has again begun to build a special vessel for the marine aviation. This happened in October 2019.


About this website Mil.Press FlotProm reported two sources related to the shipbuilding industry.

Earlier, the construction of the helicopter carrier was suspended in March last year, but, as it turned out, in the autumn of that year, work resumed.

The suspension of construction was caused by a delay in coordinating a number of issues between the designer, the design bureau of the Central Design Bureau “Balsudoproekt”, and the SKK company, which is constructing the vessel. The second reason for a pause in work was an incomplete set of design documentation.

According to the chief designer of Balsudproekt, the missing documentation was sent to the JCC in the middle of last year. In the process of further coordination, the necessary changes were made to the project.

Project 14400 training helicopter ship will be involved in the Russian Navy to train pilots of deck-based naval aviation helicopters. A special vessel will be based in the city of Yeysk, Krasnodar Territory. The city is located on the coast of the Taganrog Bay of the Sea of ​​Azov.
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  1. Piramidon 22 February 2020 17: 57 New
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    Suddenly, out of nowhere ...
    1. Lamata 22 February 2020 18: 02 New
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      A whole cruiser appeared ...
      1. Alex777 22 February 2020 19: 26 New
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        A whole cruiser appeared ...


        1. Dante Alighieri 22 February 2020 20: 08 New
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          A helicopter carrier with GDP for one helicopter and even without a hangar is strong!
          When will we finally see something in the likeness?
          1. Alex777 22 February 2020 23: 44 New
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            When will we finally see something in the likeness?

            You showed one of the most unsuccessful ships in the USSR. hi
            From the developments of that time I like "Ivan Tarava", aka "Kherson":
            1. Dante Alighieri 23 February 2020 17: 47 New
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              Well, so Tvan Tarava it should have been the UDC, and Moscow and Leningrad were increasingly anti-submariners, which, however, did not prevent them from taking the landing periodically.
              At the same time, I never liked the nose in this project, all the same a lot of unused space remains on which military units could also be located. It is not for nothing that the Americans eventually made a continuous take-off deck on Wosp. And I must say they turned out, perhaps, the most concise ship of this class. I understand that this is all flavoring, but personally I really like Wasp. Such you know formidably minimalist aesthetics. And here is Kovur’s most beautiful contours, although he already belongs to light aircraft carriers, but he and Wosp are somewhere close to each other in terms of mass and size characteristics (if the American doesn’t lose his memory harder, but in size + - the same)
          2. Grits 23 February 2020 03: 27 New
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            Quote: Dante
            A helicopter carrier with GDP for one helicopter and even without a hangar is strong!

            So this is a floating school desk. To learn how to board a ship.
            Although the helicopter carriers “Moscow” and “Leningrad” were not so hot, according to experts, I think that even now they would have worked in our Navy. Due to the complete absence of any.
            1. Dante Alighieri 23 February 2020 17: 34 New
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              Yes, what is the school desk in the conditions of the Sea of ​​Azov, but for one helicopter? With the same success, you can rehearse the take-off and landing on any of the corvettes 20380. And if we had an analogue of Moscow or Leningrad with a wide runway, our pilots could rehearse a group take-off or landing of several cars at once, which is practically not done today. And I am already silent about the number of these very pilots and the possibility of their training in high water - in the conditions of a distant sea or ocean zone.
              1. Alex777 23 February 2020 23: 19 New
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                Yes, what is the school desk in the conditions of the Sea of ​​Azov, but for one helicopter? You can also rehearse the entry and landing on any of the 20380 corvettes.

                Let's be serious. Do you propose building 20380 and stuffing it into the Sea of ​​Azov, risking not only helicopters but also a rather expensive ship?
                But on the "desk" there is nothing. No expensive air defense, no radar, no anti-aircraft defense, not even Uranium. Compare the price ....
                Places there as much as needed for helicopter training. No more and no less. hi
            2. Boa kaa 24 February 2020 01: 18 New
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              Quote: Gritsa
              Although the helicopter carriers "Moscow" and "Leningrad" according to experts were not so hot

              For their time, they were strong NKs. Ships pr.1123 were not "pure helicopter carriers", like the French "Jeanne D * Arc", although, according to the technical specifications and outwardly, they are very similar. Moscow and Leningrad were anti-submarine cruisers with aviation weapons. And their weapons for 1967 were serious: RPK-1 "Whirlwind" with 8 P-81 (SBP), 2x2 SAM "Storm" with 96 SAM V-611, 2x5-533 TA, 2x12 RBU-6000 with 144 RSL- 60, 14 v / l Ka-25 capable of carrying not only PL-t-ds, but also GB with SBP.
              “Zhanna” could not boast of anything, except for heavy machine guns and 8 v / l, although she could take up to 14 units.
        2. the most important 22 February 2020 22: 41 New
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          Quote: Alex777
          A whole cruiser appeared ...



          Abramovich, Sechin and other naval commanders simply burst with laughter from such a magnificent ship.
          1. Alex777 26 February 2020 19: 38 New
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            Have you actually noticed that these are not my words? bully
    2. donavi49 22 February 2020 18: 07 New
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      Actually pretty dubious. The basic project had to be redone, due to errors (well, they chose a designer who has no experience working with military customers + he interrupted for a long time from bread to water). Here is the result, the result of the protection of those projects - 2015, the tab 2018 - commissioning before the end of 2019. In fact, the KD plant received only under the tree, and the delivery is now until the end of 21-beginning 22.

      Given alterations, jambs, idle space - a boat with 2 day autonomy for a closed training area comes out almost like Makkasar. wink And he will be alone. Rather, even 1 is too much.

      Right there, it was possible to solve this problem by rotating patrol ships 22160. At the same time, as training platforms, they would allow to carry out a larger volume of exercises and exams.
      1. Krasnoyarsk 22 February 2020 18: 35 New
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        Quote: donavi49

        Right there, it was possible to solve this problem by rotating patrol ships 22160. At the same time, as training platforms, they would allow to carry out a larger volume of exercises and exams.

        I apologize to the marimans, it is possible that I am not right, but, it seems to me, the only thing 22160 is capable of is to train helicopter pilots. Let at least serve in that capacity.
        1. Grits 23 February 2020 03: 30 New
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          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          it seems to me that the only thing 22160 can do is train helicopter pilots. Let at least serve in that capacity.

          But what, you can’t throw nets and fishing rods from it?
          1. Krasnoyarsk 23 February 2020 09: 37 New
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            Quote: Gritsa
            But what, you can’t throw nets and fishing rods from it?

            In my opinion you are not far from the truth. Probably for this purpose it was created in order to treat the admirals with fishing. laughing
            And between fishing helicopter pilots to train. laughing
            And if without jokes, then for my, below average, mind this "helicopter carrier" is incomprehensible.
            The difference between him and 22160 in the larger area of ​​the "airfield". I do not know, maybe this is essential for training.
      2. TermNachTer 22 February 2020 18: 56 New
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        La really very dubious decision. For the same time, for the same money, it would be possible to build something more necessary for the fleet.
        1. Boa kaa 24 February 2020 01: 41 New
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          Quote: TermNachTER
          very dubious decision. For the same time, for the same money, it would be possible to build something more necessary for the fleet.

          Most likely this is a "political" decision - to place an order for SSC. It is necessary to feed the working class so that the shipyard does not bend. And they gave him an order with which he would definitely "cope."
          1. TermNachTer 24 February 2020 19: 15 New
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            It was possible to order an MRK (corvette) or a tanker for the Navy, the same money, but it would be more useful. There are enough ships with a helicopter deck in the fleet - there is something to work on real take-offs and landings.
    3. Fat
      Fat 22 February 2020 21: 31 New
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      Bad invented mess! Is gas on a helicopter carrier ... We have to wait. We will see and evaluate the project
  2. donavi49 22 February 2020 18: 01 New
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    Well, it's better to illustrate the model. For understanding.



    1. svp67 22 February 2020 18: 10 New
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      Quote: donavi49
      For understanding.

      That is, it’s just a “school desk” for training pilots of naval aviation ... Crews are being prepared for Sevastopol and Vladivostok, as well as for other aircraft carriers
      1. donavi49 22 February 2020 18: 18 New
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        Yes. Only with a rework of the project (for money), with a delay of more than twice the original time frame.

        And again, this is a very highly specialized vessel. His purpose is to leave the base in the region of the Sea of ​​Azov - to work out a flying day, to go home. He cannot participate in complex navigation tasks. He will not be able to fully work out the takeoff and landing at maximum tolerances (along / wind / wave). Well, etc.

        All these tasks can be performed better than 22160. Given the fact that the Moscow Region does not really know where to stick them. On a rotational basis, they could very well work as a school desk - for a week or two in the season of flight training. Ship - loading. The crew is an experience. Flyers - perform tasks of any complexity.
        1. rich 23 February 2020 00: 29 New
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          Very little is known about the object; the cost is more than 2 billion rubles. The planned time of launching is in 1,5 years.
          Its total displacement is 842 tons, the longest is 66,9 m, its greatest is 12,7 m, draft on the waterline is 2,1 m. The full speed of the vessel is 12 knots, the cruising range with a full fuel reserve is 500 miles, autonomy for reserves of provisions and fresh water - 2 days.


        2. alexmach 23 February 2020 01: 16 New
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          All these tasks can be performed better than 22160. Given the fact that the Moscow Region does not really know where to stick them

          Wow. Even 22160 scolded by everyone turned out to be better than someone :)
          1. Grits 23 February 2020 03: 37 New
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            Quote: alexmach
            Wow. Even 22160 scolded by everyone turned out to be better than someone

            At first I thought that if you put Katran on it with a full mince of ammunition in the hangar, at least some kind of pelemetic cannon on your nose, then he would have completely gone for a patrol ship. Pan-scareheads and rodents along the coast of the Black (Azov) Sea. But when I read about autonomy for 2 days, I realized that it would be easier for a helicopter to fly by itself.
      2. Grigory_45 22 February 2020 19: 56 New
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        Quote: svp67
        Crews are being prepared for Sevastopol and Vladivostok

        Are you talking about the “former Russian Mistral?” So they’ve been in Egypt for a long time, and they’re not going to change their place of deployment.

        Quote: svp67
        Well, and other aircraft carriers

        we have a lot of aircraft carriers ??? One Kuznetsov, if I didn’t oversleep anything important)
        Yes, almost all surface warships have a helicopter platform, many have a rotary-wing aircraft on a permanent basis, but such ships in the strict sense are not. Otherwise, almost 90% of the warships of almost any fleet in the world can be called Aian-carriers.
        1. Fat
          Fat 22 February 2020 21: 53 New
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          None of the helicopter pilots is either aircraft-carrying ships or landing craft. Erzatz transport with a sight aircraft carrier. Target. A tidbit of purpose. Pilots to hundreds and flyers to the heap. Right francs refused us since 2014, marketing time shrank to the tactics of mobile war in the conditions of "hide nothing"
          Mistrals survived before commissioning.
        2. Paranoid50 22 February 2020 21: 55 New
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          Quote: Gregory_45
          about the "former Russian Mistral"?

          New UDC Ave. “Surf” - a bookmark on May 9 at the Gulf Shipyard in Kerch.
          1. Grigory_45 22 February 2020 22: 13 New
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            Quote: Paranoid50
            New UDC Ave. “Surf” - a bookmark on May 9 at the Gulf Shipyard in Kerch.

            from it .... Again, we are talking about the future tense. They would say even after the bookmark ...
            1. Paranoid50 22 February 2020 22: 14 New
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              Quote: Gregory_45
              They would say at least

              laughing laughing laughing The trouble is the trouble .... wassat
            2. Salty 22 February 2020 22: 25 New
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              Quote: Gregory_45
              Talking about the future tense again

              Sorry, until May 9 a little more than 2 months left. Do you consider this a “future tense”?

              Quote: Paranoid50
              The trouble is the trouble ...

              Truly trouble ...
              1. Grigory_45 22 February 2020 22: 33 New
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                Quote: SaltY
                until May 9 a little more than 2 months left. Do you consider this a “future tense”?

                and what? An event already accomplished?

                And who guarantees that the ships will be laid before May 9 of this year? Do you have a time machine, did you fly and make sure that it will be so ???

                What prevents us from talking about an accomplished event, like all normal people, and not in the trend that is now fashionable in certain circles; "by such and such a year they will create such and such ...", by such and such a year he will take up combat duty ... "
                1. Salty 22 February 2020 22: 47 New
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                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  Who guarantees you that the ships will be laid before May 9 of this year?

                  No one. But if a bookmark date is assigned, then the project is already running. Do you understand that any action requires preparation? So, the preparation is already underway, "can not eat."

                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  What prevents us from talking about an accomplished event, like all normal people, and not in the trend that is now fashionable in certain circles

                  I do not know. For some reason this does not annoy me. True, I drank nootropics here, maybe it influenced ... relieves irritability and senile pseudomelancholy))
        3. svp67 22 February 2020 22: 07 New
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          Quote: Gregory_45
          Are you talking about the "former Russian" Mistral "?

          You probably do not know, but the new one, because in May these names will be laid down in Kerch
          Quote: Gregory_45
          we have a lot of aircraft carriers ??? One Kuznetsov, if I didn’t oversleep anything important)

          As you say, you really overslept. Any ship with a helicopter landing pad is already considered aircraft carrier.
          Quote: Gregory_45
          but such ships in the strict sense are not aircraft carriers.

          I will not philosophize much, I just turn to the Great Russian Encyclopedia. We read:
          "Aircraft carrier, a generic name for ships of various classes and types, armed with aircraft (helicopters) and the necessary devices for their deployment and combat use. Carrier ships, in addition to aircraft carriers and helicopter carriers, include the majority of cruisers, destroyers, frigates, anti-submarine ships , in the Navy of some countries - landing ships, control ships and auxiliary vessels, armed with carrier-based aircraft and helicopters. The largest modern aircraft carriers are I am aircraft carriers, heavy aircraft carrying cruisers (TAKR), anti-submarine and landing helicopter carriers.The aircraft equipment of modern aircraft carriers include a power plant, a flight deck with aircraft take-off and landing facilities, a hangar, deck maintenance facilities, storage rooms (cellar) for aviation ammunition , means of training, transportation of aircraft weapons, radio equipment, etc. To ensure the takeoff and landing of aircraft, aircraft carriers, TAKR and helicopter carriers are equipped with special airborne flight deck, other types of aircraft carriers - take-off and landing areas. Launching an aircraft from an aircraft carrier is carried out using catapults or independently. "
          Quote: Gregory_45
          Otherwise, almost 90% of the warships of almost any fleet in the world can be called Aian-carriers.
          It turns out that so that they also need to train crews and give them the opportunity to hone their skills
          1. Grigory_45 22 February 2020 22: 25 New
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            Quote: svp67
            new in May will be laid in Kerch appropriated these names

            it’s not in my rules to talk about what else can be. But for you, apparently, this is the norm.

            Quote: svp67
            Any ship with a helicopter landing pad is already considered aircraft carrier.

            how cool)) We have the whole fleet, it turns out, carrier)) How do you: the heavy aircraft carrier Peter the Great? Does that sound right? Besides - atomic! And the aircraft carrier frigate Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov ?? You have made a revolution in military affairs, sometimes we cry that there are no aircraft carriers — but what for, when the fleet is already the entire aircraft carrier?
            1. svp67 23 February 2020 04: 01 New
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              Quote: Gregory_45
              You have made a revolution in military affairs, sometimes we cry that there are no aircraft carriers — but what for, when the fleet is already the entire aircraft carrier?

              Are you specifically "stupid"? Do you accuse me of the fact that in the Great Russian Encyclopedia such a definition of "aircraft carrier"? But there is a whole "collective of authors" and everyone has titles and honorary titles ... and alas, I am not on this list.
              But I will bring it to you, you will find someone to present claims ...

              The chief editor and chairman of the scientific and editorial council is Yu. S. Osipov (academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences, president of the Russian Academy of Sciences in 1991–2013).
              The responsible editor is S. L. Kravets.
              Also included in the scientific and editorial council]:
              Academicians of the Russian Academy of Sciences (83 people): S. S. Averintsev, E. N. Avrorin, S. I. Adyan, Yu. P. Altukhov, J. I. Alferov (Nobel Prize in Physics), B. V. Ananich, A. F. Andreev, L. N. Andreev, D. V. Anosov, V. I. Arnold, S. N. Bagaev, N. S. Bakhvalov, O. A. Bogatikov, A. A. Boyarchuk, E. P. Velikhov, A. I. Vorobyov, E. M. Galimov, A. V. Gaponov-Grekhov, M. L. Gasparov, V. L. Ginzburg (Nobel laureate in physics), G. S. Golitsyn, A. A. Gonchar, A I. Grigoriev, A. A. Guseinov, M. I. Davydov, A. P. Derevyanko, N. L. Dobretsov, Yu. I. Zhuravlev, N. S. Zefirov, Yu. A. Zolotov, V. P Ivannikov, V. T. Ivanov, S. G. Inge-Vechtomov, A. S. Isaev, V. A. Kabanov, E. N. Kablov, S. P. Karpov, L. L. Kiselev, A. A. Kokoshin, A. E. Kontorovich, V. M. Kotlyakov, O. N. Krokhin, E. P. Kruglyakov, A. B. Kudelin, O. E. Kutafin, N. P. Laverov, V. P. Legostaev, N. P. Lyakishev, V. L. Makarov, A. M. Matveenko, G. A. Mesyats, A. D. Nekipelov, S. P. Novikov, D. S. Pavlov, A. N. Parshin, N. A. Plate, N. N. Ponomaryov-Stepnoy, Yu. V. Prokhorov, A. Yu. Rozanov, V.A. Rubakov, A. Yu. Rumyantsev, D.V. Rundqvist, G.I.Savin, V.A. Sadovnichy, A.N. Skrinsky, A.S. Spirin, Yu. S. Stepanov, V. S. Styopin, M. L. Titarenko, V. A. Tishkov, Yu. D. Tretyakov, K. N. Trubetskoy, O. N. Favorsky, L. D. Fa Deev, V.I. Fisinin, V.E. Fortov (President of the Russian Academy of Sciences in 2013-2017), K.V. Frolov, Yu. I. Chernov, G.G. Cherny, A.O. Chubaryan, V. D. Shafranov, S.V. Shestakov, D.V. Shirkov.
              Corresponding Members of RAS: B. A. Babayan, V. I. Vasiliev, V. A. Vinogradov, P. P. Gaidenko, R. V. Kamelin, M. V. Kovalchuk, N. I. Lapin, S. S. Lappo, A V. Nikolaev, A.V. Yablokov.
              Academician of the Russian Academy of Arts: D.O. Shvidkovsky.
              State figures of the Russian Federation: A. A. Avdeev (Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation in 2008-2012), A. D. Zhukov (Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation in 2004-2011), S. E. Naryshkin (Head of the Presidential Administration in 2008-2011 .; Chairman of the State Duma of the Russian Federation in 2011—2016; Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation since 2016), A. S. Sokolov (Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation in 2004-2008), A. A. Fursenko (Minister of Education and Science of the Russian Federation in 2004-2012), M. E. Shvydkoi (Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation in 2000-2004), S.K. Shoigu (Minister of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation in 1994-2012; Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation since 2012).
              And also: A.D. Bogaturov, V.V. Grigoriev, A.I. Komech, V.A. Mau, A. Yu. Molchanov, D.L. Orlov, S.V. Chemezov.


              But there is a definition of an aircraft carrier and we read:
              "Aircraft carrier, surface combat ship, intended to gain supremacy at sea, to carry out offensive and defensive missions at sea through the use of carrier-based aircraft. "
              I hope you understand the meaning of the definition written here ... and are ready to answer the question: "Do we have many SUCH ships?"
              Quote: Gregory_45
              it’s not in my rules to talk about what else can be. But for you, apparently, this is the norm.

              You really are ridiculous against me in your “crusade” ... Have you not read this news? Can't read? Just kidding. I bring it especially for you
              The first domestic universal landing ships, scheduled for May this year, will be assigned the names Sevastopol and Vladivostok, which were previously intended for Mistral-type helicopter carriers ordered from France. This decision was made by the General Staff of the Russian Navy, TASS reports citing a source in the military-industrial complex.
              The main headquarters of the Navy decided to name the first Russian UDC "Sevastopol" and "Vladivostok". Previously, such names were assigned to two Mistral helicopter carriers ordered from France.

              Quote: Gregory_45
              How do you like it: the Peter the Great heavy aircraft carrier? Does that sound right? Besides - atomic! And the aircraft carrier frigate Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov ??
              And what do you dislike about these names? In my opinion, they accurately characterize these ships ... I didn’t come up with this definition, you can write your angry message to the RAS
              You are aware that most of our tanks belong to the class of "rocket-cannon", but how much have you heard and read this in the name of the tanks? Only in specialized literature
              1. Grigory_45 23 February 2020 09: 16 New
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                Do you accuse me of the fact that in the Great Russian Encyclopedia such a definition of "aircraft carrier"?

                that you hit in demagoguery. And apply
                not generally accepted terminology. None of the sailors will name, for example. missile cruiser (the same Orlans or Atlanta) aircraft-carrying cruisers. No one will call modern frigates aircraft carrier frigates. You will not hear the same from civilian sailors - and now many ships have a helipad, and some also have a fixed-base helicopter.
                It would be worthwhile to adhere to generally accepted terminology: an aircraft-carrying ship is a ship in which aircraft are the main armament.
                Otherwise, we can say that absolutely all ships (from a missile cruiser to a yacht) are aircraft-bearing - nothing prevents you from organizing a platform for a helicopter or taking an UAV onto an ort — here you have the “aircraft carrier”
                I think you perfectly understood what you wanted to say, and you yourself adhered to just such a definition. What did you suffer from the gully?


                Quote: svp67
                I did not come up with this definition

                but you use it and appeal it. Over time, terms and definitions are transformed.
                For example, what is a frigate?
                1) in a sailing navy - a three-masted warship, the second largest after a battleship. Intended mainly for cruising and reconnaissance. In the middle of the 19th century steam wheels appeared, then screw F. or steamboat-frigates (wooden, iron, mixed). Some F. had reservation and were called armored.

                2) F. in World War II 2–1939 — transitional ships between destroyers and patrol ships. Intended for anti-submarine and anti-aircraft defense of warships and convoys of transports.

                3) Modern F. - ships of special construction, designed to search and destroy nuclear submarines at sea, anti-submarine protection, anti-aircraft and missile defense aircraft carriers. Displacement F. up to 6 thousand tons. Since the beginning of the 70s. in the USA, serial construction of a nuclear power plant began.

                don’t you find, a completely different essence is hidden under one term?
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                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  None of the sailors will name, for example. missile cruiser (the same Orlans or Atlanta) aircraft-carrying cruisers

                  No cruisers, but aircraft carriers - yes
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  don’t you find, a completely different essence is hidden under one term?

                  I do not find ... quite normal development.
                  The same story with tanks ... so what?
      3. PPD
        PPD 22 February 2020 21: 32 New
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        It remains only to understand what is better than pr 20380.
        The deck and the helicopter are also the same ... III ...?
        Money nowhere to go?
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          Quote: PPD
          It remains only to understand what is better than pr 20380.
          The deck and the helicopter are also the same ... III ...?
          Money nowhere to go?

          He is neither better nor worse. These are ships of completely different purposes. One is combat, the other is training.
          1. PPD
            PPD 25 February 2020 10: 41 New
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            Are you kidding me?
            One corvette is true.
            And the second is what is? His mission is to cut one money.
            Moscow and Leningrad did without this miracle, though they were.
            And now only the pelvis is not clear why.
    2. tlauicol 22 February 2020 18: 14 New
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      thunderstorm of the seas straight what
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        Quote: Tlauicol
        thunderstorm of the seas straight

        And this is how non-fraternal naval commanders will decide.
    3. Dmitry Makarov 22 February 2020 19: 38 New
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      Damn, I really thought something like Mistral.
      1. Grigory_45 22 February 2020 19: 50 New
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        Quote: Dmitry Makarov
        I thought something like Mistral

        Yes, the title of the article is too loud -
        Resumed construction training helicopter carrier for the Russian Navy
        Of the 14400, the helicopter carrier is the same as the one from RTOs - the atomic cruiser
        1. Fat
          Fat 22 February 2020 22: 16 New
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          For the convenience of landing rotorcraft, the production of Popovok was resumed At local shipyards in the absence of good power plants and lack of training for the flight crew ..... The artillery component was upgraded to rocket ... The disk no longer rotates when salvoed. This result has no analogues ...
          I want a grant!
          And our company will bring the results to perfection.
          Can you think about stealth technology?
          And then . We will never be more vulnerable.,. Invisible submarine disc with starter ...
          Advise what to call such a Cheka?
          No way! Title selected: "Kalashnikov Concern *
          Interesting? And Kalashnikov was thinking about a pair of three generals when the intermediate cartridge came into life?
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    If it is planned to build helicopter carriers, then pilots for them should be prepared in advance,
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      What eggs before chicken?
  4. Slavutich 22 February 2020 18: 14 New
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    Well, when so!
  5. Vasily Ponomarev 22 February 2020 18: 17 New
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    sorry for offtop, but https://defence-blog.com/army/us-army-leaks-images-of-its-new-super-cannon.html it is interesting
  6. Thrifty 22 February 2020 18: 27 New
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    Honestly, a pleasant surprise! We are here figuratively speaking, we are breaking spears, but meanwhile a training one is being built, but our helicopter carrier is being built! Theoretically, it will be possible at one time and how to use combat training. If only they would not stop the construction of the ship. By the way, who can say anything about this project?
    1. Non liberoid Russian 22 February 2020 18: 39 New
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      combat training? with a deck for one helicopter? laughing laughing
      1. New Year day 22 February 2020 18: 52 New
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        Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
        combat training? with a deck for one helicopter?

        but it sounds menacing:
        "Resumed the construction of a training helicopter carrier for the Russian Navy"
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          Well, yes, an occasion to whine once again
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        Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
        combat training? with a deck for one helicopter? laughing laughing

        For the Sea of ​​Azov and the adversaries there, I think, enough.
    2. Grigory_45 22 February 2020 18: 52 New
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      Theoretically, it will be possible at one time and how to use combat training.

      will not work. The ship is very small, non-navigable, has no hangar, no compartments for fuel and ammunition for the helicopter. On it, the pilots will work out only take-off and landing, and based on the coastal airfield.




      For me, it would be better for this purpose to use one of the corvettes or frigates.

      14400 will be just gold, and not fully meeting the tasks assigned to it. And the ship's designer does not have the proper experience
      The Ship Repair Corporation (former Gorodets Shipyard), said that they had not previously engaged in the construction of ships of this class
      1. Servisinzhener 22 February 2020 19: 14 New
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        For me, it would be better for this purpose to use one of the corvettes or frigates.

        And each time during training flights it will be necessary to knock out this ship. And to do this much in advance. Instead of calmly and plannedly using a specialized ship operated by the training center.
        1. Grigory_45 22 February 2020 19: 47 New
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          Quote: Servisinzhener
          And each time during training flights it will be necessary to knock out this ship. And to do this much in advance. Instead of calmly and plannedly using a specialized ship operated by the training center.

          on this boat it is still impossible to master the full cycle of training. One way or another, but have to attract something more serious. So why not learn right away on a warship (since you weren’t able to immediately build a normal training ship)? Anyway, all the ships at once do not go camping.
        2. donavi49 22 February 2020 21: 05 New
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          There nearby (300km) - a whole series of 22160.
          Flight work in Yeysk does not follow the principle - today one crew flies - 2 approaches. But after the day after tomorrow another approach of another crew. It is built in sessions - that is, if the weather allows it to densely fly in l / s in a short time. Then the analysis, theory, practice in a different direction, the assimilation of new material, preparation for other types of tasks - and again the flight session on the ship.

          In fact, there is more of an organizational issue - it can also be solved 22160 without much interruption from other tasks, or by a specialized ship (this).

          However, in this context, the 14400 can only take on basic training. And again, with restrictions. For full training, you still have to attract frigates / 22160 / corvettes / someone else. For example - complex navigation tasks with a change in flight mission, being outside the zone of visible landmarks, at 14400 is simply impossible to accomplish. For all this, you will have to attract other ships.

          There are 6x22160 - which are based 300km from Yeysk.

          With normal organization (and it will be with 14400 - for the sake of one or two approaches and it will be expensive to take it out) - pulling off 1 patrol ship is not a problem at all + you can practice complex exercises that still need to be worked out and you will have to involve a warship.
      2. Piramidon 23 February 2020 00: 53 New
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        For me, it would be better to use one of the corvettes or frigates for this purpose.

        We have so many corvettes and frigates that they can be given under "desks"?
    3. icant007 22 February 2020 21: 05 New
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      Theoretically, it will be possible at one time and how to use combat training.


      Or like a yacht))) or for fishing)))
    4. Fat
      Fat 22 February 2020 22: 29 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Honestly, a pleasant surprise! We are here figuratively speaking, we are breaking spears, but meanwhile a training one is being built, but our helicopter carrier is being built! Theoretically, it will be possible at one time and how to use combat training. If only they would not stop the construction of the ship. By the way, who can say anything about this project?

      Popova - type of coastal defense battleships, round in plan. Class - monitors.
      In terms of Ideal! ))))
      And if I sincerely don’t know, colleague
      I’m afraid to imagine what the mobile housing will cost even ...
  7. Volga073 22 February 2020 18: 35 New
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    So far, only 2 reasons for stopping construction were.
    How many more valiant officials will come up with?
  8. lopuhan2006 22 February 2020 18: 39 New
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    And the editor is generally on the site, who can at least fix our incompetent correspondent. Helicopter carrier at 700t? Training helicopter ship? My blood will go right now ..... maybe not in a hurry and better? It’s even without a hangar, and even 700t as a training platform, as if you wouldn’t go to the ocean on it. For the Black Sea and Azov it may come down, but Perekop’s experience is. Cadets can be taught both more broadly and globally. Although there will be a helicopter-free fishlessness as well.
    1. Petrol cutter 22 February 2020 18: 56 New
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      They - helicopters will land on it one by one and take off.
      That is to work out takeoff and landing.
      It’s enough for this.
      Then they will train at their real place of service, landing ships which are involved in the city of Hero Kerch.
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        I am in the know for what and where should he be with his characteristics. The question is different: if you do something halfway, then get ready for the half, not the whole. And this self-propelled platform is half. For there is at least 10 days autonomy and no exit to the Mediterranean and vice versa. Yes, and a hangar is needed with internal rooms for cadets. This is how to build a clean tanker for the Navy without taking into account water, fuel, and so on.
        1. Petrol cutter 22 February 2020 22: 37 New
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          God forgive me ... it’s not worth it to drive the theaters of war. I already expressed my thoughts wise on the Internet. In this article. I even said more than what I should say.
          I’m starting to bite my elbows ...
          1. Paranoid50 22 February 2020 23: 26 New
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            I even said more than what I should say.
            I’m starting to bite my elbows ...

            Everything is normal, Vitaly. Take care of your elbows - they will definitely come in handy for further achievements in your difficult, but certainly most useful business. Yes, I rummaged for the engines for the new UDC - so far the silence, we managed to pinch out only the type - there will be Daewoo, but, which ones ... Well, okay, there is a minuscule wait - we will find out soon. hi
    2. donavi49 22 February 2020 19: 00 New
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      He is only for Azov. Rather, for the Tagarog, Temryuk and Yasensky bays.
    3. Piramidon 23 February 2020 00: 57 New
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      Well, as if you won’t go to the ocean on it

      For working off take-offs and landings it is not necessary to go out into the ocean. "Thread", she generally is on land and nothing is being trained.
      1. Grigory_45 23 February 2020 09: 22 New
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        "Thread", she generally is on land and nothing is being trained.

        and do you think NITK is a substitute for a real ship? Neither computer simulators nor flights with NITKi will ever replace flights from a ship, a completely different atmosphere and sensations.
        At NITK, you can only conduct an initial training course, without the risk of damaging the ship with green cadets, and conduct experiments.
        1. Piramidon 23 February 2020 09: 47 New
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          and do you think NITK is a substitute for a real ship?

          No, I don’t think so. Why do you think so? I only objected to a comrade who believes that this ship must go out into the ocean.
  9. Petrol cutter 22 February 2020 18: 46 New
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    What engines is it planned to equip this certainly useful steamer?
    I immediately dropped a drop of healthy poison I.
    1. donavi49 22 February 2020 19: 02 New
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      There are speeds of 12 knots maximum. Initially, import + water cannon. Now simplified to the classics with diesels (ours or Chinese) and the shaft. He has the task on his own to go to the Taganrog Bay or get around to the Yasensky-Temryuk. And that’s all. He has his stocks for 2 days.
      1. mark1 22 February 2020 19: 19 New
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        And the barge, I would even say the pontoon, is not suitable? "Forget" it in the Taganrog Bay until the fishermen use it until they train. And so at the appointed time he drove the tugboat, circled the gulf and again anchored ...
        1. Petrol cutter 22 February 2020 19: 30 New
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          Not likely to do. Pilots will fly in the open sea. And you need to study there. In the wind, storm and other troubles. Which we observe every day of God.
          Even in the conditions of the Black Sea.
          Lose pilots, why in vain we have no right. They need to be taught too long.
          1. mark1 22 February 2020 19: 36 New
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            Then there are a lot of questions to the boat, it is really easier to use 22160.
            1. Petrol cutter 22 February 2020 19: 48 New
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              It is hard to say what needs to be used there.
              Are you a constructor? Have you calculated all the loads, all the possible risks, all the possible options?
              When working on the same slipway, we invite the designer, ask questions: how-so? Dad, do not crawl into mom?!. What is going wrong ?! Then a friend comes and informs, yes, gentlemen ... I adjusted here a little ...
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                Really, why am I ... I’ll go quietly rejoice to whom it is supposed to figure it out.
                1. Petrol cutter 22 February 2020 20: 32 New
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                  Right In a shipbuilding, nothing is done for nothing. No offense...
          2. Grigory_45 23 February 2020 09: 24 New
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            Quote: Benzorez
            Pilots will fly in the open sea. And you need to study there. In the wind, storm and other troubles.

            this vessel of 700 tons will receive helicopters in a storm ???
            Quote: Benzorez
            Lose pilots, why in vain we have no right. They need to be taught too long.

            that's it. And the pilots in this case need something more serious than a yacht with a helipad
      2. Petrol cutter 22 February 2020 19: 21 New
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        China is not welcome in our circles however.
        The speed there, in principle, is not particularly worrying.
        There are suspicions that the people did not correctly understand the essence of this news.
        According to my information, and this was reported on this site, the Russian Federation decided to build UDC in the amount of two pieces (hence my fierce interest in dvigla). Moreover, the bookmark was announced before the May holidays. I talked with people who went there and am inclined to believe that this is exactly what will happen.
        So what did I lead to?
        As long as the steamboats are being built in Kerch, this steamboat is produced purely for training purposes for raiders.
        This is not a combat unit for combating the AUG and the enemy submarines.
        I could be wrong, but most likely ...
        1. pl675 22 February 2020 22: 47 New
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          Quote: Benzorez
          China is not welcome in our circles however.
          The speed there, in principle, is not particularly worrying.
          There are suspicions that the people did not correctly understand the essence of this news.
          According to my information, and this was reported on this site, the Russian Federation decided to build UDC in the amount of two pieces (hence my fierce interest in dvigla). Moreover, the bookmark was announced before the May holidays. I talked with people who went there and am inclined to believe that this is exactly what will happen.
          So what did I lead to?
          As long as the steamboats are being built in Kerch, this steamboat is produced purely for training purposes for raiders.
          This is not a combat unit for combating the AUG and the enemy submarines.
          I could be wrong, but most likely ...


          Regarding the article, sorry, this shame is not interesting.
          I'm interested in that part of your kament where you look a little beyond the horizon, such as a power plant for future fishing, here I am at a dead end, if it is not an azipod, then what?
          1. Petrol cutter 23 February 2020 19: 17 New
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            , "such as a power plant for future udk, here I am at a standstill, if it is not azipod, then what?"
            So the question is what kind of power plant? I even asked fellow authors at one time: if you write, don’t you take the trouble to indicate which engines are planned for installation? Presumably, this is a land of closed information (if the capitalist dviglo). Or have not finally decided to this day ...
            Now this is happening. For example, we started talking about the possibility of cutting foundations on two orders for other engines.
            I really would not want to do this ... But ... According to rumors, there will be no planned diesels ... And the ships should already be in the sea for two months.
            I won’t spread much (as if by the hat I don’t get for a long tongue). hi
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              I won’t spread much (as if by the hat I don’t get for a long tongue).

              I ask to throw off the information in PM, of course how it will be possible without the "classified"
    2. Piramidon 23 February 2020 01: 15 New
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      What engines is it planned to equip this certainly useful steamer?

      Outboard boat engine. laughing
  10. Pavel57 22 February 2020 18: 59 New
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    It was such a word- aviamat.
  11. 75 Sergey 22 February 2020 19: 09 New
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    For this, all our aircraft carriers cruisers were cut, but they were not included in the Forbes list ...
    Now we would be training and do not need to build anything.
    1. Grigory_45 23 February 2020 09: 33 New
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      For that, all of our aircraft carriers cruisers were cut

      how wrong you are! It turns out that we still have a lot of aircraft-carrying cruisers!))) And Peter the Great, and Admiral Nakhimov, and Moscow, and the Varyag, and Marshal Ustinov). All of them carry helicopters.
      According to one comrade with Marshall stars, all ships that have a platform for at least one helicopter are aircraft carriers.

      Quote: svp67
      CARRYING SHIP, the generic name of ships of various classes and types, armed with airplanes (helicopters) and the necessary devices for their deployment and combat use.

      Quote: svp67
      Quote: Gregory_45
      Otherwise, almost 90% of the warships of almost any fleet in the world can be called Aian-carriers.

      It turns out that way


      So we are all wrong in saying that in Russia there are no aircraft-carrying cruisers besides the lame Kuznetsov))
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        Well, fools in Russia are in store for another hundred years, Stalin I.V. take off he fought as best he could, but it’s not enough ...
  12. TatarinSSSR 22 February 2020 20: 22 New
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    Learning to build helicopter carriers. Then we will learn to serve and use them. Then it’s the same with aircraft carriers .... Rather, it’s possible with one aircraft carrier years later, after ..... eleventh. And with his wing. And either sad or happy .... But obviously not proud.
  13. aiden 22 February 2020 20: 43 New
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    Doubtful decision. It’s cheaper to build a floating platform and carry it in tows. Cheaper in both construction and maintenance
    1. Petrol cutter 22 February 2020 20: 59 New
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      Of course ... That's why we live well, we will never ..
      Introductory! There are no tugboats. They rotted everything in '90 -00. What will we carry?!.
      1. donavi49 22 February 2020 23: 59 New
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        Tug carriage and trolley. Especially for such purposes, you can generally take the local contract. Well, that is, freight for the operation.

        By the way, yesterday a large tugboat was entered at the Black Sea Fleet. This helicopter barge can also be pulled to the Atlantic wink . By the way, he also has a helipad.



        Near the brother is being completed.
        1. Petrol cutter 23 February 2020 19: 28 New
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          What is characteristic when they wrote for the delivery of tugboats to the fleet ... All naval commanders wrote, what kind of a ram is this ?! What the hell tugs ?! Where are the aircraft carriers ?! hi
      2. aiden 23 February 2020 01: 01 New
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        We have a lot of tugs, I mean that it is not necessary to use tugs of the Navy, for example, private ones. They will pull this floating landing platform into the sea and let them train as they finish, so the tug will pull it back.
        1. Petrol cutter 23 February 2020 19: 24 New
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          Miracles ... Miracles ... To put it mildly. My wife and her friends bother about the same thing. When they gather for their tea parties.
  14. Radikal 22 February 2020 20: 44 New
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    Actually pretty dubious. The basic project had to be redone, due to errors (well, they chose a designer who has no experience working with military customers + he interrupted for a long time from bread to water).
    Probably this designer is someone's brother-in-law, a childhood friend, a bedmate in the army, etc., who decided to give some money .... winked
  15. Professor Preobrazhensky 22 February 2020 20: 55 New
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    Today, about 1.200 helicopters of all modifications are in service with Russia.
    If we build such a ship for each of them, then we will have the most helicopter-carrying navy in the world or the most crab helicopter forces.
    In short - all the cranes at sea and in the air.
  16. Mihail2019 22 February 2020 20: 57 New
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    "Helicopter" - I was not mistaken ?!
    "They say that in Yeisk, quite European, freedom of speech - if it's a mat!" (c) V.S. Vysotsky.
  17. Luty 22 February 2020 21: 10 New
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    Very strange ship. It would be easier to use something based on civil transport or fishing. And the volumes are larger and seaworthiness is higher. But someone convinced and will now be a pocket PLO helicopter carrier.
    1. Petrol cutter 22 February 2020 21: 21 New
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      Then you understand what’s the matter ... When they say to me, it's easier ...
      I, as a shipbuilder, understand that it will be not only easier, but also more difficult. Therefore, I am very cautious about such proposals. Though not for me to do it. But to those guys, I really don’t envy.
      Well, not a ship, but a ship.
      1. donavi49 23 February 2020 00: 13 New
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        He is officially a ship.


        Well for the industry, what's the use of it?
        The designer is the first and last ship of this type, most likely the last order on the MO line, because all that could be torn off, the money was overspended, the MO was about to sue the designer if the deadline was to be disrupted for the transfer of the design documentation.
        Shipbuilder - makes moorings.

        small docks


        Various barges (oil / functional) and hulls for picking at other enterprises.

        This "helicopter carrier" is for them, hemorrhoids that cannot be abandoned, because of a stable customer (MO), who again had to be put into operation under a Christmas tree. But in the end, the mortgage section and part of the assembled structures just took a place at the factory for a year and a half, work on them was not carried out due to lack of documentation.
        1. Petrol cutter 23 February 2020 19: 44 New
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          For shipbuilders, a single ship is also a ship. Yes, to blame. May he proudly be called a ship.
          To me, first you need to build a slipway under it. This is money. Perhaps not one if it will be assembled in sections. This is money. Then assemble the sections. This is money. Then assemble it to bother with sections. This is also money, although half as much.
          Thus, more ships! Good and different. I always said that.
          And you don’t want to. Give me a series of pieces for fifty. We also need to live on something and feed the kids.
  18. axiles100682 22 February 2020 21: 42 New
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    On the one hand, some garbage, and not a helicopter carrier, only one name. But on the other hand it will not be so unfortunate if one of the young flyers drops a spinner on it.
  19. Fat
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    Fathers! I have a lot of comments and facts, both against and for ... Ilyich was not right. Declaring Vendee red-green resistance as an enemy.
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      Quote: Thick
      Fathers! I have a lot of comments and facts, both against and for ... Ilyich was not right. Declaring Vendee red-green resistance as an enemy.

      Ilyich was presented with a rifle and a mark of support for the course on a scale m scattering. Everyone is silent, but I saw it with my own eyes. So and who did the screws and the cartridges. Not too old me.?.
      They hid the Name of green for a long time, and he himself refused kaftn .... We remember. I remember..
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        I lied. I didn’t refuse in 1917 this year the merit for the “crown” ... But the 28th piece of iron they stood against for two years and the Azinsky terror of Kolchakovsky was no easier ... There were many prisoners. Haatalo barges and hostages. So Izhetsov and broke. White barge - red barge. And the rifles sailed to the Red Army. On hostages.
        ABOUT! How did we manage to kill each other? Tell me
  20. lopuhan2006 23 February 2020 01: 07 New
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    God forgive me ... it’s not worth it to drive the theaters of war. I already expressed my thoughts wise on the Internet. In this article. I even said more than what I should say.
    I’m starting to bite my elbows ...

    Can you read carefully? The need for this ship is just like a chair in Yeysk. This is not even a shop for the Black Sea. And if they were more attentive and not wiser, then they would have seen exactly what they indicated on the lack of fish and cancer-helicopter ..... I have already bitten my elbow ...
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      I apologize.
      If it makes you feel better.
      Frankly, I don’t give a damn about this ship, since it’s not being built here.
  21. Kaetani 23 February 2020 21: 08 New
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    God grant a quick and high-quality construction and commissioning.
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    What a title, what a content ... nothing but no
  23. lopuhan2006 24 February 2020 09: 50 New
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    I apologize.
    If it makes you feel better.
    Frankly, I don’t give a damn about this ship, since it’s not being built here.

    I always accept my sincere apologies and am ready to bring it myself. And for a boat, they break too many copies. He does not deserve this.
  24. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 24 February 2020 14: 34 New
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    He is not needed on the Black Sea. On the Pacific Fleet more needed. The Kremlin covers its ass. BSF, Baltic Fleet, North. Toph will soon fight with boats, like Somali pirates ..
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    Quote: VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    He is not needed on the Black Sea. On the Pacific Fleet more needed. The Kremlin covers its ass. BSF, Baltic Fleet, North. Toph will soon fight with boats, like Somali pirates ..

    In this case, it is Black Sea Fleet training in our Yeysk, and not in Nakhodka. And even more so with its characteristics TF is contraindicated to him in principle. How do you imagine its value as a combat unit on TF? 2 days of autonomy, 700t and a platform without a hangar! He will reach Istanbul, but will not be able to return. And on TF with its distances, where do you see him? No need to write nonsense. There is simply an expression: we are not rich enough to buy cheap things. In this case, it's cheap.