Kamcha. Symbol of Nogai Power


The Nogays are a Turkic-speaking ethnos that was formed in the relations between Tatars, Pechenegs, Mongols and some other nomadic tribes. They got their name thanks to the Golden Horde Beklyarbek Nogai. During the elevation of Nogai, the Bulgarian kingdom depended on him, he fought with Byzantium and went campaigns together with the Russian princes to Lithuania and Poland, ravaged Shirvan and Derbent.


Kamcha. Symbol of Nogai Power

Nogay in traditional Caucasian Circassian

After a long nomad from Central Asia and Siberia to the Black Sea coast of the North Caucasus, many Nogais settled on these lands. So, the largest Nogai community in Russia settled in the Caucasus - in Dagestan, the Stavropol Territory and Karachay-Cherkessia. Naturally, the way of life itself dictated not only a special attitude to horses during the nomadic movement, but also to the main tool of the rider - the whip. For Nogais, the whip has become not just an instrument, but truly inspired weapons.

Kamcha as she is


Kamchu began to weave immediately after a son was born in the family, and during childbirth the father's Kamchu was necessarily hanged over the woman. Sometimes during labor pains women were even smacked with Kamchka so that the fetus would come out faster. Kamcha itself was a fairly short whip with a handle no more than forty centimeters in length, to which a leather whip was attached. At the same time, while weaving the lashes, conspiracies constantly spoke, so that the Kamcha brought luck to the owner.


Kamcha ordinary Nogay

The length of the lash itself was approximately the same as that of the handle, but there were exceptions. The weave was the most diverse - it could be serpentine or was a plexus of four, ten and even forty separate lashes. The material used was leather, for example, goat. The skin was kept for up to three weeks, cleaned of wool, cut into strips, dried and then cut into thin ribbons. The lash was attached to the handle with the help of a rod braided with ribbons, also made of leather, often cow. Tamga was necessarily applied to the hilt - a generic family sign, something like a seal. Therefore, it was easy to understand by who it was who was standing in front of you. And, of course, a lanyard was attached to the handle so that the Kamchu would not be knocked out of the hands during the battle. It took from several days to a couple of weeks or more to create kamchi.


Of course, Kamchu was decorated and modernized in every way. At the end of the lash, fluffy leather tassels were placed, or on the contrary, a weighting material was braided from metal - then kamcha resembled a top. True, the treatment with her was changing, they tried not to quit horses with such a flock.

Only men who received it when they reached 12 years old had the right to wear Kamchu from Nogais. Since then, losing Kamcha was considered almost a crime before the clan. She served as a real biographical book of its owner. Each major event, each achievement in the owner’s life was necessarily depicted on the hilt. And woe to that horseman, whose kamcha wore only a lonely tamga on him all his life. Sometimes kamcha was passed from father to son, but this was more true for noble families, when kamcha became already a symbol of power, but more on that separately.

For kamchi in the house was given a special place. And since she was very often used as a weapon, to enter on a visit with her in her hands was tantamount to a challenge to a duel or a serious insult.

Weapons, a symbol of power and magic


Kamcha, in addition to its natural functions, also played the role of a weapon. Trained Nogai fighters could easily knock an enemy rider out of the saddle with the help of kamchi, and sometimes even kill him. For this purpose, a metal weight was woven into the end of the Kamchi. After long training, an experienced Nogai rider could hit the enemy from the first blow. And if the enemy was wearing a helmet, then a well-aimed blow could (not without difficulty, of course) break his nose or knock out his eye. Kamcha with a weighting agent was also used during the hunt. One blow to the head of the animal, and it only remained to refresh the carcass. Periodically weighted and the handle itself.


They also used Kamcha during the resolution of various disputes, when the situation became hopeless. The debaters sat down, took each other by the left hand and rested their feet on the enemy. In their right hand they had only Kamcha. Wielding it, they began mercilessly whipping the opponent until someone lost consciousness or lost strength.

A lot of sayings are connected with Kamcha, opening this weapon from new sides. For example, there was a saying that “whoever has kamcha is strong, he has a conscientious wife.” On the one hand, kamcha here was tacitly figured as a symbol of the masculine principle, and on the other hand, careless wives at that time were admonished not by a kind word, but by a hard deed. There were romantic proverbs that said that the honor and justice of a man are enclosed in kamch. But dry prose and reality was far from sentiment.

Kamcha among the Murz, Bei and Nuradin (aristocratic titles and military-administrative ranks) was a symbol of power. And, of course, with a simple shaft with a leather lash, the Kamcha of a noble Nogai had little in common. Kamchu of a high-ranking Nogai was made from completely different materials. The handle was made of ivory, silver and even gold. She was adorned with precious stones. The skin for the whip was taken the most exotic and was of different colors, so the brush on the end of the kamchi seemed some kind of deadly flower.


One of the catchphrases, attributed to a certain Dildebay from Zhetysu (a region in Central Asia near the lakes of Balkhash and Issyk-Kul), said: "Even if the people do not respect me, they will respect my whip." What can I say? Can not argue.

Such an attitude towards Kamcha could not but lead to the rewarding of these weapons with magical properties. And since the Nogais of the North Caucasus closely communicated with the Circassians and adopted their customs, the world of various superstitions among them was unusually rich and wide. Beliefs in shaitans, genies, sorcerers, and spirits were common. The Nogais even believed in the existence of a water snake, which, rising from the water, touched the head of the clouds. To protect against this whole army of evil spirits, the Nogais not only sewed a patch of spell prayers from the Koran into their clothes on their backs, but also did not part with kamcha. Kamcha sometimes hung over the bed in order to protect the family from evil supernatural creatures. And if an evil spirit, such as a genie, “settled” in a person, then he was provided with whipping.
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 23 February 2020 06: 44 New
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    Thanks! I read it with pleasure !!! Although in everyday life a frying pan in the hands of a wife is a weighty argument !!!
    laughing
    All a happy holiday !!!
    1. Lamata 23 February 2020 07: 24 New
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      Believe me, Pane, a good Kamch strike, works very well. ))))) I experienced on myself at the age of 21.)))) so 26 years have passed, and the trace of the blow is still visible.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 23 February 2020 08: 56 New
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        Igor, we have on Kamen - Cossacks, Kamchatka Tatars, Bashkirs and Nagaybaks used the nails and lupus.
        In gamayunii it was customary to rule the horse reins and the bridle. “It is shameful to have a horse with a whip, a good owner has a little hump”, as my grandfather used to say - the son of a hereditary ginger (coal char)!
        At the same time, herds of cows grazed with shoulder straps, a kind of whip overgrowth! A handle of 30-40 centimeters, then three integral leather parts, ending with a whip (sometimes with a nut). In fact, a noise weapon, with the right swing, a sharp supersonic pop occurs. Although, with me, craftsmen chopped them up with a young aspen.
        Regards, Kote!
        1. Trilobite Master 23 February 2020 12: 02 New
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          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          At the same time, herds of cows grazed with epaulettes, a kind of whip overgrowth

          Oh yeah...
          I recall my golden childhood ... At one time, all the boys in the village went with whips, clicking them at every step, especially after the next viewing of the film "The Headless Horseman" ... smile
          What could be better: summer, a herd of cows, a state-owned shepherd - a grandfather in a sweatshirt with an open bottle of port in his pocket dormant in the sun and we businessmen with whips ... A black hunk of bread, a boiled egg, a couple of potatoes that were baked in a fire, and a matchbox with salt - what else is needed? And with a whip like this: Tsc! Uh! Uh! And they also shot down cans with a whip - they trained accuracy. Oh, where are my twelve years? ..
          smile
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 23 February 2020 12: 49 New
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            Michael, the shoulder strap is more of a whip and has a much more complicated design.
            The whip (40-50 cm), then three thick wicker parts on the rings in two-thirds of the length of the whip. Next comes the shank from a half to two meters long. The whip is shorter and simpler.
            1. Trilobite Master 23 February 2020 13: 34 New
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              Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
              The shoulder strap is bigger than a whip and has a design much more complicated.

              Yes, I understand ... smile
              I just remembered my childhood. Of course, we did not make complex braided whips with varying degrees of stiffness along the entire length. And it was not necessary for us. A thirty centimeter stick in the role of a whip, a belt from some conveyor belt is screwed to it with a wire and that’s all. In the best case, for the most advanced, the belt narrowed to the end. Personally, I didn’t bother with such frills, and it clapped so beautifully, but there was no need for more. Although some guys hung nuts on their whips. But it was impossible to clap with the nuts, and if you accidentally cross someone with such a laden whip, it will be very unpleasant and even dangerous. One of our eyes was nearly knocked out. Therefore, the nuts still took off in the end. Clap cooler.
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 23 February 2020 13: 48 New
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                Getting a cotton nut is always harder! On old uniforms they made bronze or iron plaque. It was strictly forbidden to enter cattle. The chip just consisted of slamming near the ear or over the croup of the cows. Cool was to return the burenka to the herd with one cotton.
              2. vladcub 23 February 2020 15: 44 New
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                We have such whips, from the conveyor belt they were called: “children’s” (even though they themselves were: 8-10), and real leather was valued
          2. vladcub 23 February 2020 15: 58 New
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            And I pass the private cattle. More precisely, he helped my grandfather, he sits in the cold, and I run. And now I remember the cow "ruffle" (and her mistress was nasty): everything from the herd fought off, and the custom demanded: how much in the morning he took to the field and so much in the evening drive. Once I was looking for her before the cocks
        2. vladcub 23 February 2020 15: 36 New
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          Our whip was simpler: a stalk of 30-40 cm and a belt of about 1,5 m, and at the end a “tail” of several short straps.
          The boys usually bragged: I have a whip. One as he began to boast that there are 2 whips, but in reality he had a shish
    2. Bar1 23 February 2020 08: 20 New
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      The legs are a people who was portrayed as Mongoloids, but is that so? On the map of Peter Shenk's 1700g, we see that the names of Nogai and Tartara fit in one area, but the name of tartar is present in the expanded geography
      -Mordovian tartars
      -Cherkassk tartars
      Kingdom of Kazan
      Kingdom of Astrakhan



      https://geoportal.rgo.ru/record/1182
      but Mordovians are Finns in general, how could a cartographer rank them as tartars, by what signs?
      Cherkasy is even the OI-Cossacks, but again they fall under the name of the Tartars, along with Kabarda, by the way.
      The history of our people is so distorted that an unprepared person cannot understand what was happening on our land at that time. But if you accept the version that the tartars and Cossacks are the same thing, then everything falls into place.
      But the various Cossack hordes had their own names, as well as (on maps) the names that other peoples gave them. It is with these names that many foreign maps of that time are located.
      For example, in Mordovia, calling yourself Mordvin is a bad tone, so the local Finnish-Erzya and Mokshaans do not call themselves. Then where did such names come from? Such names were stuck to the Cossack people by the Roman conquerors. They split the Cossacks and gave fictitious or distorted names. They also replaced some names with others. Cherkasy became Circassians, Kalmyks became Mongoloid Kalmyks, the Horde became Mordovian and Kabarda. Well, Dardaria / Darius became Tartaria.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 23 February 2020 12: 41 New
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        Bar you nettles chtoli to put in your pants !!! This is how the petty pascostnik “horde, kabarda, two goats, three cats”! In a rhyme? In rhyme, but not in the subject !!!
        The author initially determined who was part of the Nogai horde !!! The same Berendey have not yet been identified reliably ethnically and may have been Slavs. In addition, the Cumans for two centuries took full in Russian lands, and ours did not shy away from their daughters! Up to the princes and the first boyars! Considering that the khans of the big Horde attracted the princes of Nogai to suppress the separatism of the Russian princes, and the princes themselves actively attracted the forces of Nogai to to your discord! There is a certain percentage of Slavic blood in the legs, but .... and this whole epos to my comment on the "pursuit"! The question is in the language and culture of Nogaev, Tatars, Volkogolovy !!! We reliably know what language the steppe spoke after the Batu invasion, and it was an unrelated language to the Slavic group. Since interpreters were required!
        And finally, the Institute of Janissaries vividly showed - the most important thing is not in what family the boy was born, but who raised him and gave him the sword!
        The steppe had a rule to cut everyone above the rim of the wheel of a cart !!! The rest grew up in the families of the conquerors in equal rights and not infrequently became Beks, Temniks and Sultans! An example is Nogai and Mamai !!! Based on your insinuations, both purebred Russian! One got a name because he made his legs, the second always - mummified! Go chtoli map draw what the lads have achieved! Or start with Batu Khan, it’s for sure “come on” !!! laughing
        1. Bar1 23 February 2020 13: 07 New
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          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Bar you nettles chtoli to put in your pants !!! This is how the petty pascostnik “horde, kabarda, two goats, three cats”! In a rhyme? In rhyme, but not in the subject !!!

          It's disgusting to talk with you.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 23 February 2020 13: 12 New
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            So do not write nonsense on my comments !!! And you’d better take offense and report to law enforcement bodies or to the administration of VO !!!
            Sincerely, I have the honor !!!
            1. Bar1 23 February 2020 14: 15 New
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              Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
              So do not write nonsense on my comments !!!

              I didn’t talk to you at all.
      2. Trilobite Master 23 February 2020 13: 06 New
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        Nogai are descendants of the Polovtsy, according to most researchers, Turkic-speaking Caucasians.
        Tatars, centuries since the XIV - the collective name of the peoples subject to the Golden Horde. After its disintegration, into independent "hordes", the latter received various names - Kazan, Astrakhan, Budzhak (or Belgorod), Crimean, etc.
        Kalmyks are typical Mongoloids who came to the territory of modern Kalmykia relatively recently, about 400 years ago.
        Circassians are the autochthonous population of the Caucasus, their ancestors lived there even before the Scythians.
        To call Mordovians Finns is even more stupid than to call, for example, Czechs Russian.
        Cossacks are Russian, who migrated to the steppe, adopted some steppe customs and received the corresponding name from the steppes.
        There has never been any Tartaria, and Cossacks and Kazakhs, despite the name originating from the same root, are completely different people, of different origin, different cultures and different customs.
        That's all for today, a holiday after all. I do not want to spoil the mood on such a day, even to you. smile
        1. Bar1 23 February 2020 14: 10 New
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          Quote: Trilobite Master
          Tatars, centuries since the XIV - the collective name of the peoples subject to the Golden Horde


          I have already shown the maps where Tartaria was located from the Danube to the Pacific Ocean many times. I showed that the Tartars lived in the old city of Beijing, that there is the Tartar Strait, and all these facts say that Tartaria is not the Golden Horde in the understanding of OI.
          There are written sources of Abulgachi Bayadur Khan, there is Mavro Orbini the Slavic kingdom, there is Vinsheim Political geography, there is such a source is an English book about dresses in different countries and there is such an image of the Tartar princess., A pretty white woman.




          Quote: Trilobite Master
          Kalmyks are typical Mongoloids who came to the territory of modern Kalmykia relatively recently, about 400 years ago.



          many times I showed lies the image of Kalmyks including the Bergere picture "Alexander represents Napoleons of Cossacks and Kalmyks" and there Kalmyks are NOT MONGOLOIDS.


          Quote: Trilobite Master
          Circassians are the autochthonous population of the Caucasus, their ancestors lived there even before the Scythians.

          Circassians are Circassians. And of course, they are not Circassians, let alone Cherkasy / Cossacks.


          Quote: Trilobite Master
          No Tartaria has ever been


          But what about the documents?

          Well, there is no doubt that the OI is an electoral system. This forum is a confirmation of this, I don’t see anything and I don’t hear anything and I don’t want to know anything. This is the point of view of academic history. And this, of course, is not a science.
          1. Trilobite Master 23 February 2020 14: 27 New
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            Quote: Bar1
            many times I showed lies the image of Kalmyks including the Bergere picture "Alexander represents Napoleons of Cossacks and Kalmyks" and there Kalmyks are NOT MONGOLOIDS.

            I personally know about a dozen purebred Kalmyks, so for me it’s not a “Mongoloid”, as it were, a holiday after all ... well, let's say this is a significantly distorted idea of ​​reality. wink
            So Bergeret can be sent to the same place as most of your cards. To the museum. In a section illustrating the degree of distortion in the presentation by ancestors of facts and events with which they were familiar only by hearsay through third ears.
            As for the rest, written by you, everything was already taken apart. I don’t want to repeat myself. just stating - nonsense and stupidity is all.
            I say goodbye to the sim. Good luck.
          2. vladcub 23 February 2020 15: 10 New
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            "Kalmyks are not Mongoloids," and you go tell the Kalmyks. At best they will ask: how many fly agarics did you eat?
            1. Bar1 23 February 2020 16: 38 New
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              Quote: vladcub
              "Kalmyks are not Mongoloids," and you go tell the Kalmyks. At best they will ask: how many fly agarics did you eat?


              you don’t get smart, Kalmyks, like other peoples, were changed by Romanovs. Here Kalmyk is 19th century.

              1. vladcub 24 February 2020 07: 34 New
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                On fig Romanov it was needed and who exactly?
                1. Tamparu 24 February 2020 15: 14 New
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                  On fig Romanov it was needed and who exactly?

                  I think that Romanov, or rather, starting from pseudo Peter 1, needed this in order to claim their right to the throne of the Moscow Principality, and later on the entire territory of Big Tartaria, which actually began to fall apart from the natural cataclysm that covered northeastern Eurasia ! You look at the genealogical tree of the Romanov clan after Peter 1, and even at Peter 1 himself, who was replaced in Europe !!! You will forgive me, but the typical features of this kind of person show us very familiar features of the “beloved” nation / nationality in the world (call it what you like) !!!!!
                  Sincerely, hi
                  1. Bar1 25 February 2020 08: 55 New
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                    Quote: TampaRU
                    You will forgive me, but typical features of this kind of person show us very familiar features of the “beloved” nation / nation in the world (call it what you like)


                    Well, yes, if you look at the real image of Peter, then we see a dark-skinned person with crawled out black eyes and a humpbacked nose, not at all Russian in appearance.

                    1. vladcub 25 February 2020 13: 46 New
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                      Regarding the appearance of Peter 1, take a book: Buganov 'Peter the Great and his time "there describes such an episode when Peter 1 asks Streshnev:" who is my father? Say don’t be afraid. "
                      And Alexey Tolstoy in the book: "Peter1" alludes to this.
                      Now I don’t remember where I read that Patriarch Nikon could be the father of Peter 1. If it’s true, then it’s possible to explain the quarrel between Aleksey Mikhailovich and Nikon differently: few people want to wear horns
                2. Bar1 25 February 2020 09: 02 New
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                  Quote: vladcub
                  On fig Romanov it was needed and who exactly?


                  Romanovs are usurpers of power and criminals, see video with Professor Pyzhikov.

                  Kalmyks are different, here Kalmyks of the 19th century are Cossacks who served in the Russian army.
                  Here is a picture of the French artist Bergere, Napoleon’s contemporary, by the way, so Bergeret knew what he was writing. She is called Alexander represents Napoleon Cossacks and Kalmyks.
                  Kalmyks stand as equals in headdresses before the reigning persons, with arms, with a golden banner with a griffin and give a greeting to their familiar pioneer salute. praise / prayer to the Sun. This is the Tartar khans with whom Alexander and Napoleon fought.
                  We see Kalmyks not Kalmyks at all.

                  1. vladcub 25 February 2020 13: 50 New
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                    Actually, Salam Aleikum is an angel in your home. And the so-called "pioneer" salute - originates in 1892
        2. Talgat 148 23 February 2020 18: 49 New
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          According to the main version, the word "қазақ" in translation from the ancient Turkic language means - "free, free, independent person, a good man" [26].
          In Muslim written sources, the word is found in an anonymous Turkic-Arabic dictionary, probably composed in Egypt, known from the manuscript of 1245 and published by M. Howsm in Leiden in 1894, with the meaning "homeless", "homeless", "wanderer", "exile".
          Kyrgyz-Kaysak steppe
          on the map of 1793
          In tsarist Russia and in Soviet times from 1734 to 1925, the current Kazakhs were called Kyrgyz-Kaisaks or Kyrgyz, according to the official version, then this was done so as not to confuse the Kazakhs with the Cossacks. Until 1734, Kazakhs were called Cossacks, and the Kazakh Khanate was the Cossack Horde.
          However, in the literature and documents of the Russian state of the XVI-XVII centuries, the ethnonym Cossack was also used in relation to the Kazakhs. For example, the Siberian chronicler of the first half of the 27th century Savva Yesipov, reporting on the origin of Kuchum Khan, calls the Kazakh Khanate “Cossack Horde” [XNUMX].
          As early as 1827, A. I. Levshin argued that "the Kyrgyz is the name of a people of a completely different ... the name of the Cossacks ... belongs to the Kyrgyz-Kaisak hordes from the beginning of their existence, they do not call themselves otherwise" [28].
          In the book of the Russian ethnographer and geographer E. K. Meyendorf “Travel from Orenburg to Bukhara”, written at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, it is noted that “they [Kazakhs] do not call themselves Kyrgyz, but they call them Cossacks, which means“ rider “- according to some, “warrior” - according to others. They claim that the Bashkirs are called them Kyrgyz, but they don’t know where this word came from. ”
          The historian G.V. Vernadsky in his work “Mongols and Russia” (1943) points out: “The Kazakh form, now officially adopted in the Soviet Union, is a variant of the word Cossack, which in several Turkic dialects means“ free man “,“ free adventurer “and , hence, the “resident of the border strip”. In its main meaning, this word was used to refer to both groups of Tatar, Ukrainian and Russian settlers (Cossacks), as well as the whole Central Asian people of the Kyrgyz (Kazakhs) ”[29].
          Resolution of the 5th All-Zakazak Congress of Soviets "On the restoration of the name of the Cossacks for Kyrgyz nationality" (April 19, 1925)
          On April 19, 1925, the 5th All-Kazakh Congress of Soviets adopted a resolution "On the restoration of the name" Cossacks "for Kyrgyz nationality." To restore the phonetically closest name to the name of the Kyrgyz people, the 5th All-Kazakh Congress of Soviets decided: henceforth, the Kyrgyz should be called Cossacks [30]. From that moment, the historical correct ethnonym Cossack began to be used in the USSR, the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was renamed the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. Until 1936, reference books also include the term Kyrgyz Cossack [31], which was used to clarify the term to avoid confusion with the Cossacks.
          The modern form of the ethnonym Kazakh was established in February 1936 shortly [32] before the transformation of the Kazak (and from February 5, 1936 Kazakh) ASSR into the Kazakh SSR in December 1936.
      3. vladcub 23 February 2020 15: 01 New
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        "that an unprepared person may not understand" what the Fomenkovites use
  2. Talgarets 23 February 2020 06: 51 New
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    Zhetysu (region in Central Asia in the region of Balkhash and Issyk-Kul lakes)

    And I live here ...
    By the way, in Kazakhstan, here is the best climate ...
    1. rich 23 February 2020 11: 28 New
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      Kamcha. Symbol of Nogai Power

      Interestingly, but Kachatka, has anything to do with Kamcha?
  3. Olgovich 23 February 2020 07: 11 New
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    So, the largest Nogai community in Russia settled in the Caucasus - in Dagestan, the Stavropol Territory and Karachay-Cherkessia.

    Not only: a powerful Nogai horde existed in the south of Bessarabia, the so-called. Budzhak horde.

    The Budzhaki constituted one of the main striking forces in Crimean Khan troops in most of his campaigns, they played a significant role in the internal political struggle for power in Bakhchisarai.

    This last fragment of the great Ulus Jochi (Golden Horde) was eliminated as a result of RTV 1812 g .

    Most went beyond the Danube. part went to the Caucasus.

    Moldovans settled the lands. Russians, Bulgarians, Serbs, Germans. Gagauzians, the real New Russia with their Maloyaroslavets. Borodino, Tarutino etc.

    PS All respected citizens VO-with wonderful Holiday-Defender of the Fatherland Day! hi
    1. Slavutich 23 February 2020 07: 40 New
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      ..the world of various superstitions was unusually rich and wide. Beliefs in shaitans, genies, sorcerers, and spirits were common.

      Yes, there are such tribes.
      PS All Happy Defender of the Fatherland Day!
  4. Same lech 23 February 2020 07: 36 New
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    It is interesting whether the Criminal Code of Russia allows legally to have and carry Kamcha ... it seems like it turns out edged weapons. what
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 23 February 2020 08: 29 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      It is interesting whether the Criminal Code of Russia allows legally to have and carry Kamcha ... it seems like it turns out edged weapons. what

      Gaps in our legislation in the field of "shock-crushing weapons"! By the way, for example, “epaulettes” are much worse, but they are not seized from shepherds in the Urals. Yes, and like a herd of jaws.
      On the other hand is a national costume. Cossack - a wolf cub and a whip (think about the word) are attributes like a checker with a hat!
      The case of shock-crushing weapons consists precisely in the fact that any cleaver is cooler than bits! But you can drive with a cleaver and a crowbar in a car, but a bit can cause a bad reaction. Here it is necessary to evaluate the possibility of hidden wearing, the possibility of dual use of the subject and the need to stay with him in a public place. With a public place in our legislation, a fundamental seam!
      And on the other hand, how to bring the rolling pin to the cottage !!!?
      And a frying pan, historically an element of armor protection of the fifth point of PMV pilots, and in everyday life a means of educating negligent husbands!
    2. Trilobite Master 23 February 2020 13: 19 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      sort of melee weapon turns out.

      Speaking very simplistically, a weapon is recognized as an object designed specifically for causing damage to a living organism. Its design features should not suggest for such an object a different purpose - only to injure or kill. Of course, there are numerous subtleties that deserve a separate study, such as a baseball bat or, for example, nunchucks can be recognized as weapons, and not as “objects used as weapons” under certain circumstances.
      Kamcha is definitely a weapon if equipped with a weighting agent, since it is created for causing damage and cannot be used for other purposes. If there is no weighting agent, then, most likely, it will not be recognized as a weapon. But if the end of the whip is equipped with a device for attaching this weighting agent, then, again, it will most likely be recognized as a weapon, with all the ensuing consequences.
      1. Doliva63 23 February 2020 19: 37 New
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        Quote: Trilobite Master
        Quote: The same Lech
        sort of melee weapon turns out.

        Speaking very simplistically, a weapon is recognized as an object designed specifically for causing damage to a living organism. Its design features should not suggest for such an object a different purpose - only to injure or kill. Of course, there are numerous subtleties that deserve a separate study, such as a baseball bat or, for example, nunchucks can be recognized as weapons, and not as “objects used as weapons” under certain circumstances.
        Kamcha is definitely a weapon if equipped with a weighting agent, since it is created for causing damage and cannot be used for other purposes. If there is no weighting agent, then, most likely, it will not be recognized as a weapon. But if the end of the whip is equipped with a device for attaching this weighting agent, then, again, it will most likely be recognized as a weapon, with all the ensuing consequences.

        And the usual lace on the arm, with half a meter long, at the end of 2 stele balls - a weapon?
        1. Trilobite Master 23 February 2020 19: 41 New
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          Quote: Doliva63
          Of course, there are numerous subtleties that deserve a separate study.

          This is just the case. You won’t say so right away.
          1. Doliva63 23 February 2020 19: 53 New
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            Quote: Trilobite Master
            Quote: Doliva63
            Of course, there are numerous subtleties that deserve a separate study.

            This is just the case. You won’t say so right away.

            It looks like a decoration - a green sling, blue balls. Glamor laughing
            But if you remove the noose from your hand and throw it at the enemy, there is no strangulation without options (how the bola works). You can just throw it in your head - the blow is not weak. You can whip, like Kamchka, it will hurt. You can use it as a snare. Is it possible to wear such a civilian?
            1. Trilobite Master 24 February 2020 00: 01 New
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              Damn, the holiday is all the same, sorry, apparently, slurred ... request
              It should have been like this:
              Quote: Doliva63
              And the usual lace on the arm, with half a meter long, at the end of 2 stele balls - a weapon?

              Quote: Trilobite Master
              Of course, there are numerous subtleties that deserve a separate study, such as a baseball bat or, for example, nunchucks can be recognized as weapons, and not as “objects used as weapons” under certain circumstances.

              Quote: Trilobite Master
              This is just the case. You won’t say so right away.

              Now:
              Quote: Doliva63
              Is it possible to wear such a civilian?

              "Weapons" are not allowed. stop The state’s monopoly on the use of violence, which I personally fully support.
              Further - those very subtleties, of which there are many and it is simply impossible to cover everything at once, otherwise we would all, at least, be candidates of legal sciences. smile
              1. Doliva63 26 February 2020 19: 26 New
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                Quote: Trilobite Master
                Damn, the holiday is all the same, sorry, apparently, slurred ... request
                It should have been like this:
                Quote: Doliva63
                And the usual lace on the arm, with half a meter long, at the end of 2 stele balls - a weapon?

                Quote: Trilobite Master
                Of course, there are numerous subtleties that deserve a separate study, such as a baseball bat or, for example, nunchucks can be recognized as weapons, and not as “objects used as weapons” under certain circumstances.

                Quote: Trilobite Master
                This is just the case. You won’t say so right away.

                Now:
                Quote: Doliva63
                Is it possible to wear such a civilian?

                "Weapons" are not allowed. stop The state’s monopoly on the use of violence, which I personally fully support.
                Further - those very subtleties, of which there are many and it is simply impossible to cover everything at once, otherwise we would all, at least, be candidates of legal sciences. smile

                Thank you for clarification, but I do not agree to the monopoly of this state. Not with anything. Since my stolen retirement. Then I’m better myself - I’ll take care of pension and security.
                1. Trilobite Master 26 February 2020 20: 35 New
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                  Quote: Doliva63
                  but I don’t agree to the monopoly of this state

                  To no avail.
                  If the state abandons the monopoly on certain actions, others will do it, and most likely they will be large corporations. With regard to weapons - their security services. And they will always be younger, stronger, more organized than you, better armed and equipped. The liberalization of legislation in the field of violence is necessary, first of all, for them - the ruling class, the capitalists. I wonder how the president still holds a position against the arms-liberal lobby.
  5. Talgat 148 23 February 2020 10: 53 New
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    Nogays are our brothers!
    Greetings from Kazakhstan !!!
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    Remember, in the film "Among Among Strangers, A Stranger Amongst Their Own," Tatar Kayum shouts to Shilov:
    “Bai beat Kamcha’s face!” Everyone had a bathrobe, Kayum walked all year without a bathrobe ...
    Poor Kayum got ... Such a thing and in the face ... crying
  7. Cruel beaver 23 February 2020 12: 02 New
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    And try at this time to teach your cobra Kamchka .... Yes, the liberoid howl will rise to heaven! IMHO .....
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 23 February 2020 13: 19 New
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      And do not be afraid to get a rolling pin on your forehead and a frying pan at a causal place !!!
      It was necessary to reign back years with wisely and with an eye on the “cobra” to choose !!! wink
      And if you missed, then be a man and bear it !!! Life to live is not a field to go over.
      Respectfully, Kote, who has been together with his kitten for 19 years !!!
      1. Phil77 24 February 2020 06: 47 New
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        That's right Vlad! * Think, the commander must think! And not just wave a saber! * And I have already been with my 27 years, in November. laughing
      2. Cruel beaver 25 February 2020 06: 35 New
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        But who, 30 years ago, would have seen a poisonous sting? And about "be a man," etc. Where am I going to get from her, from my little kobrochka! If I didn’t like it, I would have dumped it for a long time ......
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    “Only men who got it when they reached 12 years old had the right to wear Kamchu from Nogai,” recalls the Cossacks: at 12 liters, they got a saber and a shame on whoever lost the saber. For the Cossacks, as well as for the highlanders: the saber and dagger (among the Kuban and Terek) were passed from father to son, and this imposes special obligations: not to shame the ancestors
  9. Andobor 23 February 2020 15: 39 New
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    Kuban Nogais
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    There are 1800 paintings depicting Kalmyks. Common Kalmyks, as now.
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    In Leskov’s novel “The Enchanted Wanderer” there is an episode of a duel using kamchi or whipping, when the rivals mercilessly whipped each other
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    "Sometimes during labor pains women even smacked Kamchka so that the fetus comes out faster."
    I would have known if I had smashed my German mercilessly. Ato 18 hours sssss tormented me .... ki fool
    In short, you need to flog their women! Thank you for enlightening, some of them have atoms, color dreams have already begun soldier